EP #11 - Slacker Dave Loves Basil McJagger

This is episode number 11 of the Slacker Dave Loves Nebraska podcast!

On this episode Dave hangs out with Basil McJagger at Lee's Chicken in Lincoln Nebraska. Topics include: Basil surprises me by inviting the Slacker Dave Loves Nebraska official historian Matt Matt Steinhausen to join us, our love for Lee's Chicken, restaurant owner Dennis Kann tells us of the history of Lee's, how Basil ended up in Austin and in the band The Derailers, with Matt joining us of course we go off the rails in a good way, his family and the beautiful love story on how he meet his wife the great Gina Lee!

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:50

The section's taken.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

I'm sorry. Thausen just walked in on a this is a private party. Hey, welcome uh to the Slacker Dave Loves Nebraska podcast. Hi I'm Dave. I uh will be your host uh today. And uh we are uh first off, I gotta give the thank you to everybody who's listened and commented and told me stuff, and uh, you know, uh uh it feels like a big warm hug, you guys all rule. Uh I we are uh I am joined today by sweet basil McGager. That's right. And we are coming from you uh uh from uh that's right, Lee's Chicken. Lee's Chicken. We are hanging out at Lee's Chicken today. Uh uh Natalie is bringing us some rolls right now. Thank you very much, Natalie.

SPEAKER_04 1:46

Uh oh, 1945. I said wrong. 1945, yeah. 80 had been it wasn't really good until 48, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

So you know, I go by local, local tradition. Oh, yeah, yes. Uh for uh those who don't know uh sweet basil, sweet basil, uh give us your um I don't know if I want to say not credentials. Uh resume, Dave, is that what you're looking for? Resume would be a good one. But I was thinking of something more, something more. We're always looking for something more. Uh uh, you know him, of course, from the uh Basil Trio. Yeah. Organ Trio? Yes. You good three dudes playing organs. Three dudes playing organs. That would be that would be a uh a big trailer to carry around on tour.

SPEAKER_04 2:39

Yes. Well, we're looking for a venue that has three organs already in place on stage. And those are hard, hard, harder to find than you might imagine. Um, yeah. My name is Basil McJagger. I lost the suite in about 2009 when we started Facebook. Oh. And uh because I was uh I turned a little more bitter about that time.

SPEAKER_02 3:01

Oh, you bolted a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

You went to seed, yeah. Flowered out and then some people still uh include the sweet. I do not personally. Really, the the true story about that is that if you tell somebody your name is sweet basil, they don't buy it. They don't believe, ah, what's your real name? But if you say your name is basil, that's a real name. Oh, that's that's a name that exists. Quite logical, quite logical, plausible. I was born in Omaha, Nebraska in the year 1973, and I grew up in Lincoln, Nebraska, after the age of three. Which side of town were you? East. East? Oh six. Trentwood Park represent.

SPEAKER_02 3:41

Were you an East Kid? Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_04 3:43

Oh, yes. Graduated? Six years, seven through twelve, graduated.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

Oh yeah, yeah, they did have the junior, high, senior school.

SPEAKER_04 3:49

Yeah, junior, senior high school.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

And then uh, look at those. Oh god, look at that. Look what just came in. Oh man. This is the spicy one.

SPEAKER_05 4:00

And this should be the regular wood and price.

SPEAKER_02 4:03

Excellent. Oh my god. Thank you. Good right now. Thank you very much. Thank you. Uh uh Matt, uh, feel free to have some onion rings.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

I got an order coming of onion rings myself.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

I call them onion strings.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

Oh, onion strings? It's kind of an onion mess.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Um I love them. I think it it is one of my favorite things.

SPEAKER_04 4:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many places can you get served a meal in a basket? Not as many.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

I think it's funny you should mention that. Covers serves in baskets. Yes, but they're actually not baskets, they're paper boxes.

SPEAKER_04 4:40

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

But they call it a basket.

SPEAKER_04 4:42

You know, whatever. Oh yeah, I'll go for that.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

We like diners. Diners oftentimes.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

You get the basket of uh popcorn shrimp or whatever it was in the hey, while you guys are doing this, we're going straight off the rails.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

I got you. I'm gonna come over here.

SPEAKER_04 5:03

I'm coming close to you with my microphone.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

I I didn't mean to intrude, but you had mentioned. Let's get real close. I think it's funny. I got I I need a nickname because we got a slacker and a basil and a Matt. Boring. With eyes. Okay, with eyes. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

Yeah, but you're Matt Steinhausen.

unknown 5:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

You're not just Matt.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

That's true.

SPEAKER_02 5:28

You're Matt Steinhausen. I never say one or the other. It's that's what I mean. You you you uh rank with a full name. You know. When you when I um speak of Matt, I say Matt Steinhausen. The wife, I would say Matt Steinhausen.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

I'm flattered. Me too. You know, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

You deserve the boy. I mean, I'm also flattered.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Hey, but I had a question. Like I said, I'm taking this straight off the rails for Basil. Perfect. I just saw a commercial, I think maybe for Crown Royal. Have you heard about this? It was recorded in The Broken Spoke in Austin, Texas. Uh-huh. Did you give them permission to do this?

SPEAKER_04 6:12

Well, I have no sway over I mean, if anything, I may have had to move over at the bar so they could film a little bit. I was wondering, that was my next question, is if you were in the commercial. And do they show people dancing? They do. I think it's a Weldon Henson show, if I'm not wrong, but I could I'm not sure. I I remember seeing something about that.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Um, I think there was a commercial. Oh, so you're saying Weldon Henson is the band that was playing during the commercial?

SPEAKER_04 6:39

Yeah, okay. They do Tuesday nights for the dancers there.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

Uh, do you play there regularly?

SPEAKER_04 6:43

Yes. Yes. Uh at least twice a month uh with the Alvin Crow band. Alvin Crow and the Pleasant Valley Boys, who's a great name.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

That's a great name.

SPEAKER_04 6:54

You can hear on the K ZUM Hayride, hosted by John Schmitz, the Wagon Master, the Wagon Master. Fridays at 7 30 pm on KZUM River. Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

I tried to take it off the rails and it came right back on. This guy's the engineer.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

He's running the locomotive, man. You really know what you're doing. Matt and I'm just wrecked every every time.

SPEAKER_04 7:13

So I don't I don't know if I've seen that ad. There are a lot of ads and TV shows, the cooking channel and the travel channel, and all these things. They they come in, even uh an episode of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy or Queer Eye, I think they just call it now. Yeah. Did an episode at Broken Spoke, but they do really well. A lot of their promo involves cable TV shows and commercials filming there.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Interesting. It's such an iconic place. And it's also easy to distinguish between other places because the ceilings are so low. Yes. And so the band is standing at the ceiling.

SPEAKER_04 7:49

You can touch it with your you cannot hold uh bass fiddle correctly. It'll wedge into the ceiling if you do that. So they either need to sit down or lean it. Can you do a handstand? I cannot. It's too short there. And I'd probably get thrown out. But it doesn't.

SPEAKER_02 8:07

I mean, wouldn't it help that you could just put your feet up there?

SPEAKER_04 8:10

Yeah, but it's it's too yeah, and in fact, I do need something to wedge against up top. But I'll tell you, the perfect height for a handstand is the HVAC equipment on stage at the zoo bar on North 14th Street in Lincoln, Nebraska. Underwriter of the Slacker Day of Loves Nebraska podcast. You tonight, listeners and viewers, should go and see that thing. I don't know, maybe it's a gas heater or something. There's some sort of a unit there. There is. And it's perfect for me to put one foot on the bottom of that and my head on the top of the organ to do a headstand at the zoo bar. Amazing, amazing.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

The most amazing is you are driving this thing perfectly down the rails.

SPEAKER_04 8:58

We can't throw you off. 24 years a derailer. Yeah, 22. Is uh what is the status of the derailers right now? Derailers still happening full time since June of 1993. You know, still still happening. We're still doing shows. Um don't you have a do you have a monthly gig? Come out and see the group when we're near you. We do not have any residencies at this time presently. Um, but we have shows coming up. And Brian Hopefeld reminds you to check out our schedule because we'll be near you or someone you love. Oh, that's a great line. Uh he also reminds you to look at our website while you're at work, so you're getting paid to do it.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Well, you know, in my mind, there's some people at work right now listening to the podcast while they're working. Yeah. So getting paid to do it.

SPEAKER_04 9:59

Derailers.com.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Uh so let's get to your your your beginnings in the link. So you actually we we we haven't even said you live in Texas. Yes. In the city of Austin. Yes. How long have you been there?

SPEAKER_04 10:15

I moved to Texas in the year 2000 at the turn of the century. And uh we live in Manshad, which is in the next county south. It's kind of in the area, in the greater Austin area. MetroPlex? Yes, in the Metro Mess. And we are in Hayes County. The kids go to school in Butta, Texas, which is the next that's the first exit south on the freeway from Austin. But generally speaking, the Austin area.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Yeah, yeah. Uh so you've been there 26 years. Yes. How coming up in August. So wait, you're getting close, you've got to be getting. Are you past? Have you lived there longer, Texas longer, or Nebraska longer? You got right to be right on just about the same, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:03

It's within within the next year or so, it's gonna be the same. But no matter how long I live there, I will always be a Nebraskan living in Texas. You don't consider yourself a Texan? Well, it doesn't matter what I consider myself. There are rules, and I was not born in Texas, so yeah, yeah, yeah. You yeah, you were born in Omaha, Nebraska, the true capital of the state of Nebraska. That's right. I'm a north of the Platte River guy. I'll die on that hill.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

The irony of this is we're talking about birthright citizenship, right, as a Supreme Court.

SPEAKER_04 11:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

Anyway, I'm taking it off a burrow.

SPEAKER_04 11:54

I don't think stealing the capital in a wagon in the dead of night counts as moving the capital. Now, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_02 12:01

Was it we stole the we did not steal anything, we uh had the state seal delivered to Lincoln by dark of night, by a bunch of guys that broke in and stole because they were worried because all the evil people were gonna try to hurt them for doing what the government wanted them to do, you know.

SPEAKER_04 12:19

But the cool thing is I grew up in Lincoln, so I'm also a Lincoln. You know, on the the debate of the Ruben sandwich, if it comes from Omaha, that's cool. If it comes from Lincoln, that's also cool. Both of those are my hometown.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

Yeah, I just saw a post today, somebody talking about they read something like the paper did something on the Rubin or whatever. I'm like, they stealing our content, man? Yes. Who wouldn't?

SPEAKER_04 12:46

Exactly right. Really, Michelle Tilley is really the authority on she's done a lot of homework and field work, field experience work on the topic of the ribbon sandwich. And I really I respect her opinions on that origin story.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

Well, someone suggested uh Miles now, he suggested doing a podcast on the uh doing an investigation podcast on the Rubin. And my thing is there's no reason to do it because everything that's been discovered is going to be discovered. There's no secret anywhere that they can find that would change anybody's mind, which either way.

SPEAKER_04 13:26

No new Ruben information is going to be unearthed.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

What's really? Isn't the mystery more interesting than the solution?

SPEAKER_04 13:34

If I've learned nothing from Matt Steinhausen. Now, my son Eldon is right now on a uh visit of the eastern half of the of uh really North America, and one of his stops was in New York City, and he had a Reuben sandwich in New York, and I asked him, hey, because famous, you know, those delis out there, they pile that uh uh corned beef up so high you can't even eat it, you know, without using a fork and a knife and stuff. So how was that Ruben in New York City? And his response was like, eh. I mean, it's all right. He's had him in Nebraska. What's New York City gonna do for him? Oh my god. And can I say, I imagine a guy riding, or or a lady, a person, I'll say I imagine a human riding around on a horse, roping cattle, doing whatever those people do out there in Imperial, Nebraska, or Merriman, Nebraska. Oh, good name. Listening to, yeah, Merriman. They have a translator uh tower for Nebraska Public Media. They always announce that name. Listening to Slacker Dave loves Nebraska. And just going, yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. Omaha's really the true capital. You got that right.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

I do have a friend that uh listens to uh Slacker Dave loves Nebraska when he's driving his tractor, like bailing hay or or doing other work in fields.

SPEAKER_04 15:01

That's there's nothing more Nebraskan. I was gonna say that's 110% Nebraskan.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

I yeah. Um, you guys are embarrassing me right now, you know. I um I'm not used to taking pray uh any kind of compliment, you know.

SPEAKER_04 15:18

Well, while we're complimenting Snacker Dave, let me say this also. I think the podcast is a perfect companion to the radio show, because a few times on the radio show you've had guests. I don't need any more of that.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

I'm good. Yeah. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 15:34

Thanks, Natalie. You've had guests and interviews on the radio show. And while that is interesting, I listen to it and I go, oh, bummer, no records, no music to Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Yeah. Um, one of my things starting this was I love having guests on, and I can talk to somebody for an hour and it's easy. But then I imagine there's all these people at work that are going, like, I can't concentrate on this. You know, I mean, I don't know what they're saying. You know, I mean I'm hearing, you know, because when you listen to the radio, you don't normally listen, you hear the whole thing. Actively. Yeah, actively. You know, you're on for 15 minutes, you're off, you know, you're back on.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

I'll put it this way my equalizer is set for music, and when there's talk, I have to readjust the tones, and that frustrates me. So I'd rather hear music than talk. If I want to hear talk, I'll go to the podcast. If I want to hear music, I go to the Slacker morning, Slacker Dave morning show from 10 to noon on Thursdays.

SPEAKER_04 16:46

On K Z U M 89.3 FM, Lincoln, Nebraska? Dot O-R-G. Also available worldwide. Worldwide on the RG. O R G. On the app. Yeah, from the website. Okay. Also, Tune in Radio app. I have both in case one fails.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

I have the app on the phone where I just hit the uh the thing on my screen and it just sends my safari.

SPEAKER_04 17:15

I think you should listen to the show on the app while you're broadcasting the show and do a crazy loop and see how that works out. No.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

While you're looking at a mirror with another mirror behind you, and then you can make the show go to infinity.

SPEAKER_04 17:30

Also film it. You guys.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Anyway, this is uh Hey, while we're at a lull, I want to fill in some I want to fill in some points. Because I'm sitting here looking out this window at Lee's, and that's where the tornado was in 2019. Yeah, yeah. On May 5th, it went right past here.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Really?

SPEAKER_01 17:53

Took out the ice cream stand over there.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

CNL Derry. Uh we're filming on a Wednesday, and uh Tuesdays and Wednesdays are lemon ice cream day. So uh when uh the Slicker Queen herself, Amanda and I got married, uh, we had lemon ice cream from CNL Dairy at the at the uh uh well we had it at the ceremony, and then I think we brought it over to the uh reception as well. But yeah, so it's really special to Amanda and I.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Yes. I think it's special to a lot of people. I I drove by here after the tornado because I was had to go see my son who lives in this neighborhood nearby, and the roads were backed up for miles because everybody was driving by to check out CNL after got blown away by the twister. The other little twist uh has it returned?

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Yeah, they've a portable, yeah, but like a trailer now, yes, and then they have uh like a pole uh pole build pole building over top of it. Yeah, it's like uh well I know where I'm going after this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh yeah. Uh speaking of lemon ice cream, uh uh I just saw uh the UNL dairy store, which should be another location for a podcast sometime because that place, I mean, we're lucky to have that in Lincoln, Nebraska, uh, right here in the state of Nebraska. Uh they have a new like lemon custard ice cream that I want to try. But it's hard for me. Have you ever had the sweet corn ice cream from the dairy store?

SPEAKER_01 19:29

No, I have not. Basil.

SPEAKER_04 19:32

Okay, I know that what I'm about to say is gonna get me thrown out. Lee's chicken, the Snack of Dave Loves Nebraska podcast, and possibly the state. But I have never been to the dairy store.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Oh, we'll fix on the East Campus. It would it's a nice little uh you can have a nice little uh family uh outing. Love to go to the UNL dairy store, you get some ice cream, and then you walk around the arboretum there, and then you can walk through a lot of the trees, they are marked, there's wonderful uh flower beds and handmade. Uh and then you can make your way and you can see one of the well, there's two bald cypress there, but my favorite one's over by the by the uh uh I I don't know if I want to call it a ditch or a a creek or crick. No, it would be a creek. And a royal.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

It's a crick. And it's not even crick because there's not running water most of the time. No, but it's in a draw.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

It's called a slough. A slough. A slough. Uh yeah, I was gonna call it a ditch, though.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

That tree is a monster. There is a there's a bald cypress down there.

SPEAKER_02 20:38

One of my favorite trees uh ever is that tree. It just looks so cool. But you go past that, where there's some there's an iris beds over there. We can we can go all the way through it, but I'm not gonna. But then you can make your way over to the uh backyard farmer uh uh uh gardens and backyard farmer talk about an amazing history that we need to do a podcast on sometime. But uh, if only one of us had a podcast. If only one of us had a podcast in about things in Nebraska. Yeah. Um but they've been doing that for oh god, I don't even know what what they're on now. Over 50.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

I know that, but I remember that uh longest one of the longest running shows in history, I think, is uh speaking of longest running Lee's chicken is the uh there's is the longest uh sit-down restaurant in operation in the city of Lincoln. It's been in operation for a hundred years.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

Uh 45 is when it started.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

That's when that's when uh uh that's when Lee Ozzie and Jan Alice. No, Ozzy and Jan bought it from them in sixty nine. Okay. I remember reading all this. It's yeah, Lee probably in your book. It was in my book. Uh Lee and Alice bought this place in Uh 1945, but there was already a place here established.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

Oh, what kind of restaurant?

SPEAKER_01 22:05

Um it was kind of a it was not they um it was small. In fact, this place has been added on to 14 times.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

Yes. So they just had a really small little restaurant.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Do we need anything?

SPEAKER_05 22:20

Do you want more chicken? And um like these have a history of the actual restaurant.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

Oh wow. Awesome. Um well to check those out. We're gonna be here at least another half hour or so. I would like more spicy drumsticks, please. Oh, the spicy one? Did she suggest it? Did you suggest the spicy? Is that what you go for?

SPEAKER_05 22:52

No, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Good answer, good answer. Uh so no is the answer. We're gonna have to kick her pretty well.

SPEAKER_04 22:59

Um I thought we would just guys we're just gonna run. No, no. We're gonna wait till she goes in the other room and then we're gonna sprint out of here.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

Well, I talked to Dennis, one of the family members uh that run it right now. And he said he was gonna show up, but I haven't seen him yet.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

No, he's probably uh related to the Wilcoxons who bought it from Lee and Alice in 1969. And that was Ozzy and Jan Wilcoxon and their family. I think the Wilcoxins or other family members have been running it since.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

Oh yeah, and uh uh also there's been a merge of the uh the you know the Low Myers.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

No, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 23:46

Like there's the uh oh god, I can't forget, I can't forget the correct con I'm uh I I feel like in chicken chicken legends. But no, there's uh we'll find out the answer. I'm not I'm not gonna speculate. He's kin to our friend Jill Roger, but uh right uh yeah, that's uh Lomar side, like the the uh drumstick. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

Chicken connection.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah. High Nooners, which rest in peace, high nooners. That was my one of my favorite restaurants in town. Until it closed, I I figured it out and I'm like, I might have ate there. Wonderful. Perfect. Uh uh I might have ate at that restaurant more than any other restaurant in town with high nooners. I worked downtown.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Right, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

I was gonna say I ate lunch there, you know, every day.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Because it was just great, but and they were great.

SPEAKER_04 24:47

Just a stumble away from the beer muda triangle.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

Yeah. If it was only open at night, that would have been horrible. Uh I always dreamed that they had like late night uh how's the chicken?

SPEAKER_04 25:04

Delicious. I'm having the all you can eat Wednesday special here at uh Lee's Chicken.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

Did you show off these anymore?

SPEAKER_02 25:14

All you can eat uh yeah. Uh dark meat Tuesdays. Oh yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

I just had to show because as far as I'm concerned, that's one of my favorite foods in Lincoln.

SPEAKER_04 25:28

Look at those drumsticks. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm a band guy. Uh so yeah. Also, it comes with a handle.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

Yeah, yeah. Easy, easy. You know, that's the greatest thing when you're a kid. You know, you need one hand, all you need. Um so let's talk barbecue. Oh boy. So you've been in Austin 26 years, you say? That's right. Um are you Texas barbecue guy now, or are you uh you don't discriminate when it comes to barbecue? Well, or do you discriminate when it comes to barbecue?

SPEAKER_04 26:04

I discriminate. But I don't uh, you know, turn away. I'll go to North Carolina or Memphis and eat. Um growing up here, of course, uh Kansas City was my point of uh point of departure. And uh that's what I was used to, and the styles and the meats smoked and the woods used to smoke the meats in Kansas City were sort of what I considered to be the norm. And it took me a while to get used to the Texas, the differences in Texas barbecue, especially using mesquite. I it took me a while to get used to mesquite as a smoking wood. Um, but I have embraced it and now in fact I think I prefer it over Kansas City style. Although, again, if you say, hey, we're going out to this uh awesome Kansas City style barbecue place, I'm in. I'm going. I love it. Love it all. My son, the aforementioned Eldon, works at the Salt Lick Barbecue in uh Driftwood, nearby Driftwood, Texas. And that's pretty well known. They're on a lot of travel channels and food networks and things like that's cool that you can see.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

And so what does Eldon do?

SPEAKER_04 27:14

He sometimes he buses tables and sometimes he's on the food line where they assemble the plates together and put the uh garnishes and things on there, dress dress the plates. And he works there with Brian Hofeld's youngest son, Van Hofelt. So there are two yeah, Van Somerset is his name. And they have so there's two second generation deraylors sons. They work together. Are they starting a band? They've talked about it because he's the band's a pretty talented drummer. Oh and so they have talked about playing music together. I mean, Eldon can play what how many instruments? He plays saxophone and piano, and he would say organ also, piano and organ.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

Like nothing, bass guitar, nothing did he dabble?

SPEAKER_04 27:59

Not really. He has a steel guitar that he's been working out a little bit, a non-pedal steel guitar. Um, but he's headed off in the fall to Texas Tech University for uh jazz studies, uh mostly focusing on saxophone, tenor saxophone, but also piano. He likes to play piano. Good dad. And Rosemary, our daughter, she plays drum set and electric bass and piano, although she denies uh the electric bass and piano. She says she doesn't play those, but she really does. She's a talented drummer. You got everything you need. We do. Um last year at holiday time, we did a family show at the zoo bar, and we did have to call a ringer and learn Tilton to come and provide some uh bass fiddle for us. But other than that, we do have a family band ready to go.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

That's uh never a bad thing.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

No, I was a witness.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

I think I was I was there, I was there. Uh both of y'all. Yeah, and that guy knows how many, he's like Magic Slim guy. Like, how many songs does he know? He knows a lot of songs. I'm always amazed at the people at the numbers people throw like Magic Slim knew the lyrics too. Mm-hmm. But did he really? I mean, would anybody know you were fooled, and so was I.

SPEAKER_04 29:21

But what I mean, what it did it matter? No, yeah, but an excellent, both of those guys are excellent entertainers. Yeah, yeah. And in the case of Learn, I told Gina, you know, Learn is going to be the most entertaining guy in the room, even in a crowded room. And so it would be better for us if he was on stage so that at least the crowd was looking toward where the rest of us are. Uh so that, you know, we can focus uh the entertainment value.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

I'd say of your fellow uh uh I'd say organist, uh Jeremiah Weir. Yes, my student. He makes everybody sound better. Mm-hmm. Even if he's just walking not in plan. If he just walks in the room, you're gonna sound better, you know.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

Um and there are some people, and we all know examples of this, where if they are, if you go to a show and that person is there, you know you've made the right choice that night. You've oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like if this person's here, I'm in the right place.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

Yes, there's a few people at the zoo when I see like some old schooler people that don't come out very often, kind of people, I'm like, oh, it's gonna be a good night. There's gonna be a good band, you know.

SPEAKER_04 30:43

I mean, well, even people that come out every night. Wherever where they go, you know, that's gonna be the the best place.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, those those special, yeah, the the you know uh you know, if uh Doug Rosencranz stays for the show, that's a good guitar player. You know, he's gonna, he's not gonna it's gonna be worth the seeing. Yeah, it's gonna be worth the thing. But man, we haven't even got anything about you, but have we started the podcast yet? Oh yeah. Have we pushed a start? All right, uh, we're gonna take a break. Thanks, sponsors. Um yeah, I got a new sponsor. Uh you'll hear on the podcast.

unknown 31:28

I can't wait.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Hey, I want to thank Duffy Tavern for being a sponsor of the Slacker Dave Loves Nebraska podcast. I want to thank uh Scott and the whole family uh for uh believing in my uh thing here.

SPEAKER_07 31:41

Uh James, uh tell us why we should come to Duffy's. We should come to Duffy's for original music and for a local community scene and come and see me and the rest of the people here that are wanting to take care of you, bring you into that community vis-a-vis that local music scene. Come to Duffy's every day. Open every day. Thank you very much. Thank you, David.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

Hey, want to give a big thank you to Rick Peters for sponsoring the Slacker Dave Love Nebraska podcast. Rick is an independent insurance agent, uh AMS Insurance Center. The phone number is 402-476-3599. He's a great guy, great personal service. Amanda and I have been uh customers of his for years. He just real good guy. You just you want to come see him. But the most important thing about Rick is he is a host of not one but two shows on KZUM 89.3 FM. Uh he hosts Rockin' Bones on Friday nights from 6 to 7.30. Rockabilly and all that kind of related fun music, and then Tuesday mornings from 6 a.m. to 8 a.m. It's the Sugar Frosted Chocolate Bomb Diggity Good Time Show. And you never know what you're gonna hear on there, but you know, they call him Rickabilly. I like to call him Rickopedia. He knows a lot. Great shows. Thank you very much. Hey y'all, I just want to thank uh Rourke's Tavern for sponsoring Slacker Dave Loves Nebraska. Rourke's Tavern is Lincoln's downtown. It's like a neighborhood bar right in the middle of downtown. We're at 1329 O Street, and uh you know Rourke's I've always described as kind of like the backstage to the Lincoln uh musical community. They do fun things all year round, they got specials every day, they got two pool tables, they do dance parties, they got a chili cook-off every year. So you just want a nice, relaxing time, come on down, see Jordy and the whole family down here at O'Rourke. Thank you. Hey, uh, I just want to thank uh Pete and Amanda from the Zoo Bar for sponsoring the Placker Dave Loves Nebraska podcast. Zoobar, wonderful place. Uh live music almost every single night, sometimes most of the weekends, twice a night. Uh Zoo Fest, July 10th and 11th. Put that on your calendars. But thanks, be you rule. All right, thanks to all the sponsors. Uh, thanks for Kane for doing all the editing and producing and all that kind of fun stuff. And of course, I wouldn't be able to do any of this with my my lovely wife Amanda. I uh uh I gotta do the little Oh the Tay Tay. The tay ta' speed thing. She uh actually today she is uh it's like wedding day or pre-wedding day or something. That's right. Um it's been crazy in our house. But uh joined here with Basil and uh Dennis just showed up.

unknown 35:05

Hey, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 35:06

Hey Dennis. Um come on and sit in here for a second.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

Let me get you, let me get you in there.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

So uh sweating all day.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Uh uh uh tell us the history of the uh Lee's chicken.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

Well, the history of Lee's chicken, and there's a crossroads out here, it's a circle now, or a roundabout if you want to call it that. But it was probably a game trail back in the day, and it's always been a crossroads um straight from the Indian times through the Western expansion times up until today. It was the way to come into Lincoln from the south or from the west. And also Oregon Trail didn't pass far from here. Anyhow, during that existence, it started out as far as I know, as Al's place in 33 because the golf course opened at Pioneers Park. And uh this was a place to stop and have a beer after the after you played around a golf beer and a burger, it was Al's. I'm presuming Al probably sold beer during Prohibition, it wouldn't have surprised me a bit. Anyhow, um, and then it became Lee's in 1945, and uh we've been added on 13 different times, so it started out as about 18 seats, and now we see 299 by law, but we could fit a few more in if we had to. Oh, yeah, so there, yeah, that's just it in a nutshell to where we are today. My Lee and Alice Franks for the originals. They owned it until 1969, 45 to 69. My in-laws, Ozzy and Jan Wilcoxon, took it over then and have run it ever since. So we've had a 55 plus years versus their 25 years or 56 years for us. And my wife and I, Michelle, will be third generation. Our lovely children, Cheyenne, Drake, Ian, Dustin, and Gabriella will be the fourth generation.

SPEAKER_02 36:46

Oh, awesome. And you come from the drumstick side. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. I couldn't remember earlier we were talking, and I didn't want to say, but you're from the that side. Right.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

My grandfather took over the drumstick in 66. It was a 24-hour restaurant, served breakfast all day, and specialized in fried chicken. And then, of course, evolved into the rock and roll club by 7980. And that lasted and I'd burn out within seven years, eight years. It was over. But it was an exciting ass ride. And I call myself the Godfather chicken because I was out and they pulled me back in.

SPEAKER_04 37:21

You can't get away from that.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

I did like it. You guys took over the uh um the uh uh the high nooners for a while.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

We did for as long as it would last. It just wasn't the right time for us to do something like that, so uh it just didn't work out. Yeah, we still do sell the sandwiches to uh to catering type work as well as uh school lunches. We served the uh elementary kids down at the capital during the school year for tour. So awesome, awesome.

SPEAKER_04 37:50

Nice, nice, nice. And you are a music venue with the Hammond organ on site. How many of those?

SPEAKER_00 37:56

Dan Benish, yeah. Not many of these.

SPEAKER_04 37:57

How many of those still exist? Too few.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

Our music director, Mr. Dan Benish, Timeless Treasure Dan. Anyhow, he is the organ officinata, and he is actually probably the region. I'm talking like Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, Wyoming. The regional guy who fixes Hammond organs, and usually it's in a church, is where he does his work.

SPEAKER_02 38:19

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

But he's the expert here, and he'll set one up for you if you want to rent it from him anywhere, I'm sure. But the Hammond is like, I like you know, Julie Joel refers to the piano, sound like a carnival baloney.

SPEAKER_04 38:30

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

You get that Hammond rolling, it sounds like a carnival in here. Sounds like an orchestra. Yeah, it's yeah, you got a beatbox too with that job. Did you fire it up at all yet? Oh, geez, what the hell?

SPEAKER_04 38:41

I did not. I've I've I've been here as a listener before.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Oh, well, you're welcome to join us today if you want to during your show.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

Well, yeah, yeah, we yeah, that'd be fun.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

It's got the Leslie speakers. Well, it's got a couple of them. There used to be one over here too, but he moved it. He used to have the surround sound action. But there is a beat machine on that, and so you can have a little backup four or four time going while you're picking out your uh your melodies.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

No need for a band.

SPEAKER_00 39:07

It's a one-man, right? It's a one-man show unless I get up there and sing with you.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Not many of these gigs around.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

No, no. I you know, I don't see any organs really anywhere. Uh last time I really sat and listened to one was in Memphis on Beale Street. We stopped and had gumbo at some joint and uh had an organ guy playing. You just don't see it very dang often, you know.

SPEAKER_02 39:29

That's why the basil trio, the organ trio, that's a wonderful band.

SPEAKER_04 39:32

Yep, that's what that's what we're here to fix. We're here to fix that deficiency in uh organ venues with organs already at the venue. Yeah, and there are a few of those in Austin, Texas, and there are a few around the around the country in different places, but uh but too few.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

Not either. I agree. I think it's cool, it's really unique.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, thanks, Dave. Thanks for coming in.

SPEAKER_00 39:54

Thanks for coming over today, guys. Really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

Oh, yeah. Uh Natalie is wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 39:58

She's my one of my faves. I'm gonna say my fave. My daughter, you can be upset if you want. She's no, she's just a real good kid, knows how to do her job and wants to do a good job. So I appreciate her.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

She's taking very good care of us, and this has been a delicious meal.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

Well, sweet to see you guys. Hang out all you want. I'll be around if you need me. Otherwise, peace out, fans. Come and see us, one and all. All ages, baby.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

Thanks man, thanks, man.

unknown 40:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

Oh man, that was fun. Uh uh, he just said that you could fire up the uh organ if you wanted.

SPEAKER_04 40:33

We have it on tape.

SPEAKER_02 40:34

Yeah. Um, that really just happened. So um yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 40:41

There may be a piano over there on this side.

SPEAKER_02 40:43

There's a piano on this side and then the organ over there.

SPEAKER_04 40:46

Yeah, so we could we could do an addendum to the sit-down portion.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

All right, let's get to your history and the uh how you got have we started this yet? Let's get to your uh how you uh integrated yourself into the music community of Lincoln, Nebraska. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 41:07

It was against the wishes of the Lincoln music community, I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_02 41:11

Hush now. Uh when you were your band kid in school, what was your instrument?

SPEAKER_04 41:17

I was forced to take piano lessons at the age of six, I think. Um the lady who lived up the street from us uh on South Sycamore Drive uh was the band director at May Morley Elementary School, and she offered piano lessons so I could walk up there. So I took piano, and my uh parents' deal was once bands started, once you get into a band instrument, you can quit piano. So I took piano lessons as a kid and hated it, hated practicing. They let me quit, and I started the alto saxophone in fifth grade. And uh once I was able, once I was allowed to quit piano lessons, I started playing the piano because it was fun. You know, you hear a Jerry Lee, you hear uh great balls of fire, a whole lot of shit going on, and I wanted to do that. I wanted to make that and I guess most people, a lot of kids start out with piano lessons, but then move on to the electric guitar or the drum set because it's cool. You know, it's what you see on uh MTV, and it's it's what the cool guys are doing. Well, I didn't ever move on to guitar and drums and uh couldn't really afford those things anyway. So I just stayed on piano and learned um Chuck Berry's songs and Jerry Lee Pat Snomino's songs uh on the piano and stayed with that and then played in band all the way through uh Lincoln East junior and senior high school, six years there. Uh what was your instrument? Alto Saxon. Alto Saxon and senior year uh mellophone. Oh they needed some people to play melophone, and uh we could, and so I was like, yeah, I'll do that. Why not? It's fun. And because of that, we could show up late and say, Oh, we were we were inside working on fingerings, working on learning the new instrument. It's a new instrument. I was working on practicing, working on learning it. Oh, but don't worry about it. Keep those, yeah. Thank you, Natalie. Um, so anyway, Malophone, senior year.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

That's cool.

SPEAKER_04 43:17

And um, yeah, and then um music studies at the University of Nebraska. Uh right here in Lincoln. Prop. What's it? School of who's who's it named after? I don't know. Some guy. Some some guy who Korf is his name. There it is. Who gave a bunch of money.

SPEAKER_02 43:34

There it is, there it is, there it is.

SPEAKER_04 43:35

I've always now I know we're not editing this, and you said curse words were okay. I'm gonna find out how much Glenn Korf gave the University of Nebraska, and I'm going to earn that much money plus one dollar and donate it to the University of Nebraska so that I can call this school the Screw Your Mom School of Music. Because if the name is just up for the highest bidder, you know. Glenn Korf, I'm sure he was a great, great, great guy, gave a lot of money. But you know.

SPEAKER_02 44:05

Did you stay up a lot late in college? Uh having uh physical philosophical uh arguments with your friends over the screen. I have some issues.

SPEAKER_04 44:15

Yeah, I have some issues with the University of Nebraska school. Um the seven years I spent there getting my bachelor's degree were very happy years. Oh, when did you uh I joke, but I do resent somebody being able to. I went to the University of Nebraska School of Music. Period. That's the name of it. Yeah. And now it has a person's name because they gave a bunch of money. That's what I'm reacting to.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

Understandable, and uh I don't disagree. Yeah. Uh I don't like that. Except if it's uh uh Mueller, because we like Mueller.

SPEAKER_04 44:53

You do you mean the man who invented the alligator clip?

SPEAKER_02 44:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 44:57

Yeah, Ralph Mueller. He definitely needs a Carillon named after him, but not a real Carillon. One that has speakers that plays the sound of a Carolon. For a real Carillon, you need to go to First Plymouth Church. I have played the old Milwaukee beer theme on the Carillon at uh First Plymouth, which can be heard for three miles in any direction.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

That's uh Wow, that's a good story.

SPEAKER_02 45:23

Yeah, can't top that one. So you uh was it the zoo that you started going into as the underage uh little kid?

SPEAKER_04 45:34

Uh well, real yeah. Well, the zoo bar, um what a what a blessing to grow up in a town that has a zoo bar in it. And at one point, my goal, my goal in my life was to be able to perform on the stage at the zoo bar. You know, if I if I can do that, I've made it. I'm a musician, you know. As a child, I would go and hang around and look through the front window and watch the bands through there, you know, in all kinds of weather. Uh and also back then you could access the alley. And that was really, it sounded better. You couldn't see anything, but it sounded better under the smoke eater in the alley and blow all the cigarette exhaust right down onto you. But and there were also some interesting humans who inhabited the alley back then as a semi-permanent place of dwelling, uh, before they walled it off and made it sort of fancy, and well, there's still bricks back there. So it was always sort of a dangerous proposition, but really maybe not, because nothing ever happened. Um, so you could see the show through the window, or you could hear the show in the back listening through the smoke eater. And after I graduated from East High, a guy named Jason Davis, before he was baby Jason, called and needed somebody, needed uh piano and organ guy for his band, which was called Sold Out. It was Jason Davis and Sean Bestie and Dave Bestie, his brother, and Sean Lamb on the drum set. And so the first time I performed at the zoo bar was I was 18 years old, summer after high school, and that was career highlight. Well, still really a career highlight. It was all of my dreams came true at that moment. We opened for not all there. And so got to know Larry and Sean, and uh boy, it was just uh a lot of fun. That was the first time legally entering, really the first time entering the zoo bar at age of 18. Well, then I knew Larry Beamer, and so I could go up there to the office upstairs or call in and say, Larry, Johnny Johnson's coming, and I need to see that show. How do I get how can I get in? How can so he would sort of, you know, he'd sort of let me in once in a while under special circumstances.

SPEAKER_02 47:58

Uh it was different back then, like now it it actually it's kind of like uh laxer society. Uh-huh. Like, you know, the they changed things where the miners can come in for certain shows, you know. Um I mean, there's 18 or 19 plus shows now downtown. All ages shows or a thing. But back in the late 80s, 90s, yeah, it was through the window. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:31

Or go to the common place, which was also awesome. Loved that.

SPEAKER_02 48:36

Oh, culture center, commonplace. Still might be uh my top favorite venue in Lincoln, Nebraska. I mean uh Zoobar uh notwithstanding, uh, but uh for that's assumed that's that kind of for me that my style of music, the culture center or the complex. The DIY punk rock shows over there were all ages, craziness, you know, uh chocolate cake one time. Uh so I used to book a lot of shows, and we did a lot of benefits there because you could rent it. Yep. I'm not you know, Amnesty International or something. Amnesty, Cology Now, Earth First, you know, it was all these people that were hosting the benefit, and like one time chocolate cake played up in the balcony above everybody. That was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04 49:34

Um, about that time, after I had already got got performed at the zoo bar, uh the Roosevelt Franklin band needed uh James Wilcott moved on, and so they needed a keyboard guy. And I was completely wrong. For that everything I do is completely opposite of what James Wilcott does so well, sampling and synthesizing and digital things, which I knew nothing about. But I was happy to take that job. Uh Jonathan Hishke and Colby Stark and uh Jason Merritt and those guys got in. Shannon Dobson got into that group.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

What kind of keyboard were you playing at the time?

SPEAKER_04 50:10

I was playing his keyboards. He left them for me. So I can't even really answer that question. There were two of them. I don't know what they were. One of them was the sampler, and one of them had all the group with all the uh Chebaka. Yeah, yeah. And uh yeah. Those kind of things. And I had to have a little cheat sheet to let me know how to how to work everything. And I got on that recording, I'm on the secret track of the Roosevelt Franklin record, but they had a show at Duffy's Tavern. I forget who else was on that, but one of my favorite bands of all time, broadly cards. Crazy show, crazy show, right up there with Double XY. And so that was the first time at Duffy's Tavern where there was a guy named Dave Raby booking shows. So I got to meet Mr. Raby, and at that time, you were like the man, you were uh, you know, an authority, you were an adult, and it's kind of like, yes, sir, Mr. Raby, no, sir, Mr. Raby, you know, like don't piss off Dave. Whatever you do. And the guy at the door, working at the door, was a guy with a mullet named Mike Keeling.

SPEAKER_02 51:16

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:17

And so walk in and was like, hey Mike, I'm 21. He goes, Yeah, you're 21, sure, got it, cool. You know, but carry an amp in or something, you're fine. So uh that was the first time at uh Duffy's Tavern. Also getting in there before the age of 21.

SPEAKER_05 51:34

Would you like some chips?

SPEAKER_04 51:36

Uh I'm good. You need another beer there, Basil? Do you know I would like one more, perhaps blue ribbon beer.

SPEAKER_02 51:44

Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 51:46

Um the beer that made Milwaukee famous.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

No, that's a different one. So Roosevelt Franklin, what was your next band?

SPEAKER_04 51:54

Well, there's there there are thousands. The the I had I started a band uh called, and it had multiple names. At first we were called Ler de T. And then that became the waistband, spelled, you know, like like your waist. The waist band. And then that sort of morphed into, and these were mostly up there with free parking. No parking. We considered that free beer. We considered that one. Uh, and these are all you know, bands that we would rehearse and rehearse and rehearse and rehearse and do two shows, and then the kind of drift apart, this this kind of a thing. Then there was a band called The Randies, and that was the first time that was Brad Hayes, the harmonica player, and I started a band called The Randies, and that was a blues group. We had some original songs also uh in that group, and we played at the zoo bar and uh over at Dugan's Dugan's Pub. Well you thank you.

SPEAKER_02 52:53

Did you do the you're part of that open stage because there's an era of people that play now that all were playing together? Because isn't that uh Josh Wyer, Jeremiah Weir, um Budig?

SPEAKER_04 53:07

Larry Beamer's sons. Yeah, that was a little bit even before Tim Budig. We ever uh ever saw him, but yeah, he was around there a little bit too. And then Levi Williams shows up a little bit later, I think. Chris Lager? Yes, who used to have his dad bring him. I was in the house band at Dugan's Pub for the Monday night open stage for about five years before I moved. That was a nice, steady, weekly gig over there, and I could keep all my stuff in, they had a closet. Thank you. Thank you. They had an equipment closet there, and I lived in an apartment, a one room, I lived in one room above the spaghetti works, and I did not have a car. So having a place to keep all my organs and Leslie's and stuff, mom wanted them all out of her basement. Oh, yeah. So I had to keep them at Dugan's pub. Yeah. So the Randy's then, we were kind of playing. We got to uh Kansas City and St. Joseph, Missouri, and Kansas. You know, we traveled around a little bit, made a tape, you know, and so that was the Randy's fired me and then became a band called Blue Tango. Blues band around called Blue Tango. And then um, very shortly after they fired me uh at the Dugan's Pub open stage, a person I had not met before named Brian Johnson was.

SPEAKER_02 54:19

Oh, I was just gonna guess Brian Johnson.

SPEAKER_04 54:21

And he said, he said, I remember uh he walks up and he goes, Can I have a minute of your time? Uh yeah, sure. And I kind of knew, I guess I knew who he was because I had seen uh Sean Bestie, Monterey McJack, performing with the Self-Righteous Brothers at the zoo bar. So I kind of knew who this guy was. And Sean Bestie, Monterey McJack, was quitting the group and they needed a new organ guy, and that was January of 1997. So then I became a self-righteous brother. And uh I became a Self-Righteous Brothers band. There were two Self-Righteous Brothers. Uh that's where the name Sweet Basil McJagger came from. I had to choose one. And since we're here on the podcast, the origin of that was a joke that Jonathan Hishke's dad always told about the new rock and roll cuisine at McDonald's, which is the McJagger, the McFleetwood, and the Tina Tuna. Yeah, it's a dad joke. Yeah, yeah, beautiful. But McJagger, I thought, well, that's that's pretty good, McJagger. It's pretty funny. As a name, you know, my name is Mick Jagger. Uh my last name is Mick Jagger. There is a Mick Jagger. Anyway, in the first name, Sweet Basil, there was a garden cafe radio commercial. And this the point of the commercial was the garden band. This is the fresh garden band. We got Sweet Basil on the bass, and we got Carrot Stick laying down some hot saxophone, you know, and it was the garden band. And I heard that, you I would hear that ad on the radio and say, Sweet basil on the base. That does sound like a smoky jazz musician of some sort, you know. So Sweet Basil and then McJer, the most opulent rock and roll star of all time, uh, started working with the Self-Righteous Brothers. And now in the Birmuda Triangle of Duffies, Aurorx, and the Zubar, I started to be hanging out with those guys, started to become well known among the downtown gang, but it was always Sweet Basil and never my real name, whatever that might be.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

Which, you know, your your your your last name is is a very downtown name. McJagger. No, the other one. John Jameson. Yeah. The Irish whiskey maker, yeah. I mean, you already have a uh a you already have an amazing stage name. Yeah. And then, you know.

SPEAKER_01 56:44

Hey, let's uh while we're talking about that, he's got the captain's hat on.

unknown 56:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:48

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:49

Do you remember the captain's real name of Captain and Tanil? No. Daryl Dragon.

SPEAKER_02 56:55

Daryl Dragon. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 56:57

Who would change their name from a Daryl Dragon?

SPEAKER_04 57:01

I thought we were wearing captain's hats today.

SPEAKER_01 57:04

I didn't get the memo.

SPEAKER_04 57:06

I thought that's what we were doing here for this podcast. I forgot mine. Oh, wait, I don't own one. So bands like the D Railers and the Hollisters and groups like that would come in from out of town and perform at Duffy's Tavern and also the Zoo Bar, and the Self-Righteous Brothers would open for them, and I would we'd go party, meet those guys, become friends, and my name's just Basil to those guys, Basil McJagger. Uh the dinatones coming in from San Francisco, hung out with all those guys, and they all knew me as nobody knows John Jameson at all. And so when I moved to Texas, that just stuck because the people who I already knew who lived there just knew me as Basil or sweet Basil. Do you have a blue check mark? Oh no. No. No. There could be, I could be an imposter of myself.

SPEAKER_02 57:55

That's true.

SPEAKER_04 57:55

That's true. We don't know.

SPEAKER_01 57:57

Did you have a band? Did you join the derailers when you got down to Texas, or was that a later on kind of deal?

SPEAKER_02 58:03

Later on. It was it wasn't. Why did you move to Austin? Why did you leave us? Well, there were some reasons.

SPEAKER_04 58:10

And how many wagon bands did you take? There may have been a relationship I was trying to get 800 miles away from at that time. Uh well, the the the SRB played our last regular show on New Year's Eve Y2K when all the planes were gonna fall out of there at Duffy's Tavern on the stage there. And we rang in 2000 and said that's it. And there were some reunion shows after that, but for the regular band, uh regular stretch of the band, that was the end. That was the last show. So then I'm sort of, and I graduated uh UNL the May before that. So now I'm graduated. Um the band just the band that I was making a bunch of money with just quit. What am I gonna do? And so I could easily, easily stay in Lincoln, Nebraska, and that was always my plan. I love Lincoln so much, spend the rest of my life here. But I thought, what are the chances that I'm going to do better than the self-righteous brothers in Lincoln? I don't know. And so I tossed the dice and moved to Austin, Texas. I realized all of the records that I was getting into at that time, all of the records I was buying and listening in that Janet Frostheiser at Homer's 48th and Van Dorn, where I worked on Saturdays, uh, basically I just worked for records there. All the things she was hipping me to were Austin bands. And I was like, well, here I am. I'm 26 or whatever, I'm not married, I have a college degree, I can teach any place. Uh maybe I'll go to Austin and just see how it works out. And what everybody on a bar stool at Duffy's told me is you can always come back to Lincoln. You can always come back. Lincoln's always here for you to come back to. All those guys that moved to, and they're kind of uh uh there were kind of phases, which I'm sure you know. There was a group of guys that moved to Minneapolis. There were a group that moved, the guys my age all moved to Chicago. Chicago, yeah. It seemed like Chicago, and then then New York, Brooklyn. There are a bunch in Brooklyn also. And so I did that nobody went to Austin. There was nobody, didn't know it, knew the Derailers there, and that was about it. Um, and so I thought, well, I'll go down and see how it, see how it goes. And so I taught for three years full-time in Austin, Texas. Um, and I did a stint for a summer in San Francisco with the Dinotones band. Uh, and I lived there and moved back. And so, but I knew the Derailers, and those guys were my buddies, my friends, and I hung out with them and went to all the shows and everything. Uh, met Gina down there and started playing with her band. And so then when one of the founders of the D-Railers, Tony Vienaway, decided to leave and join the ministry, they needed to hire another person. And so I was one of the people that they called for that. But wait, uh so did you ever see Sam the Butcher? I don't think, I don't remember ever seeing Sam the Butcher. I'm reminded by a Sam the Butcher tattoo.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:14

One of my favorite bands of all time. And every time I say Paul Tisdale, I'm we start talking about not a Sam the Butcher band, but uh a Sam the Butcher band. And we never end up doing it, but you know. Uh so how did you make it Gina was in that band?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:34

Yeah, Gina. My wife.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:35

We had dreads, beautiful dreads, longer than mine, thick, sometimes blue. Yeah, they were amazing.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:43

And while we're bragging, she has luxurious hair. While we're speaking of my wife, my beautiful wife, Gina Lee, the basil queen. The basil queen. To your slacker queen. Um, here's a here's a little bit of trivia that neither of you, well, maybe both of you know. The sideshow record, uh, sunspots, and yeah, the girl holding the rabbit mask is Gina Lee. That's Gina on the cover of the sideshow record. And there used to be a sticker for that record on the back of a no-parking sign or something right there on 14th and 0, that just today I noticed is gone with the new construction. They've removed that. That's been there for you to make a new one.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:28

But Gina, she grew up in Nebraska. Yes, lived in Lincoln. You guys got together in Austin, Texas.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:35

How did that happen? Was it like a Lincoln uh, hey, we're having an expat day at a bar watching a Husker game?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:40

No, no, no. And I could tell you, and she grew up just a little bit more. She was born in McCook, Nebraska, the home of Ben Nelson. Oh, yeah, the Democratic uh stronghold of Western Nebraska. Yeah, for real. And uh she and she moved around a lot, uh, Central Hastings, uh, Grand Island, did did some time in Norfolk. Enjoyed a stint living in Norfolk. I got three months at Norfolk. Yeah. I think she graduated from Grand Island one high Harvard. She went to school at Harvard, I like to tell people. Lived in Harvard for a while. Anyhow, and she went to UNL and graduated UNL the year I graduated high school. Now I'm telling a secret about Gina Lee's age. Uh, but she graduated uh and but kind of lived in town and and hung, she was dating Paul Tisdale and Sam the Butcher and involved in all that. And then she went to Omaha for a while, and then Tucson, Arizona was where she lived in the in the latter part of the 90s. Um, she moved to Austin, and I didn't, she had come to a Self-Righteous Brothers show in the 90s, came back from Tucson, and was as a friend of Mike Keeling, etc. She knew a bunch of those guys. And she came back, and I remember signing an 8x10, I don't remember signing it, but I signed an 8x10 Self-Righteous Brothers photo for Gina.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:04

And very Self-Righteous Brothers thing to do. We had merch, we had 8x10s. That was I'm just gonna say it, I am still mad at that band. Because you should have left the city and not came back for like six months, just toured for like six months, a year straight. You would have killed people. They might not have getting it the first time, but like the second time you come to someplace, you guys would have people done it the first time. You would have you would have been, you know, if you would have been on uh that, you know, every four months, some hitting places every four months, you guys would have been the I don't know, the skeletons or whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:50

You're preaching to the choir here, Dave. I was always like, let's go, let's make this, let's do this thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:56

You should have just toured. I knew, I mean, a lot of miles to feed in that bam.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:01

A lot of livers to feed, a lot of livers, a lot of miles, a lot of, you know, it's uh that's a uh logistical thing, you know, but you guys so we had met in the way that you meet somebody and don't remember it because of excessive drinking, and it's just a chance encounter kind of a thing. Um, and then she moved to Austin in March, South by Southwest time in 2000, just coincidentally, the same year, and I moved in August of that same year, and we didn't really know each other uh until about 2002. Uh my I was uh breaking up with a gal in Austin, and she but she still would come over once in a while. It was sort of we were in that stage of the relationship, and she came over and because it was Billy Bacon was in town. So we were gonna go to Egos uh bar and see Billy Bacon perform. And she came over and then. And so, okay, here we go. I got my clean shirt on. Let's go. Let's go out. Oh, I'm not feeling so well. Can we just stay in? I don't really want to go out. I said, okay, there are two options. You can go with me to Billy Bacon or you can go home. I'm going to Billy Bacon. That's all there is, sweetie. You know, so she left. I went to Billy Bacon by myself. And I'm sitting there enjoying Billy Bacon and the Forbidden Pigs at Egos in South Austin, Texas. And they had, it's like the Rego Beagle. It's a lounge, what they had there. And they had comfortable chairs with arms on them and rollers. You could roll around on the floor. I'm just sitting there enjoying the show. And this girl rolls her chair into mine, you know, like intentionally to start talking. I start talking to her. And she goes, What are you doing here all by yourself? I said, Well, I'm here to see my friends, Billy Bacon and the Forbidden Pigs. She goes, Well, have you seen them before? I said, Yes, I've seen them many times at the zoo bar in Lincoln, Nebraska on North 14th Street, on Beamer Street in Lincoln, Nebraska. And she says, What? You come from Nebraska? My friend comes from Nebraska. You should meet her. And of course, as Matt Steinhausen says, everybody's only one degree away from anyone else in Nebraska.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:15

Yeah, one degree separation.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:16

So I met Gina. That was Gina Lee, her for this girl that rammed her chair into mine. That's her friend, Gina, and we met and became fast friends and start saying, Well, you lived in, yeah, I was in you were in bands. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's like, how come I don't know you? How come we don't know each other? Well, I, you know, friends with Mike Keeling and uh, you know, Paul Tisdale and and the uh uh leafy green things guys and the the uh the house, the mannequin beach house, you know, and it was like crap, how can we we have to have been at parties next to each other or at the bar next to each other? How is it we don't know each other? And I said, well, certainly we've never met before, because I would remember meeting somebody as lovely and beautiful as you. It certainly you would have made an impression on me. So later when she showed me the eight by ten that I'd signed, I was totally busted on that one. But that's how we met at a Billy Bacon show in Austin, Texas. Fate. Fate. It's a beautiful, beautiful story.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:17

That's a love story right there.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:18

It is a love story. We had we had Billy Bacon and the Forbidden Figs perform for a wedding reception in Austin, Texas.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:26

Oh, you got a Billy Bacon hat on today.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:30

I didn't even know that story.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:32

Oh wow, that's cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:36

That night, that first night, Gina said Gina said she says, Oh, I have a band. And I was crushed because usually, and I'm glad this is now gonna be recorded forever. Usually I hate people's bands. They say, Hey, come see my band. Okay, oh your band sounds great. I really enjoyed it. Fun show. That was a good time. And that's I'm always gonna have to go to this girl's this gal's shows. I'm always gonna have to go to her band shows and act like I'm a fan. So, okay, so you have a band. Well, what what do you do? What kind of music do you play? Rosemattox, Bob Wills, Hank Williams, Ernest Tub. I was like, oh my god. Let's get married.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:24

This is perfect. Uh I just want to you brought up a lounge earlier. The uh was that the Threes Company reference? The Regal Google Go, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know. Tassels on the on the ceiling. I just remember Jack Tripper's friend uh with the big bell, you know, Mr. Cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:45

Larry. Larry. There's not many of those bars around uh critters used to be one. I think is now a moonshiner. But they, you know, those you gotta have those roll. I call it like BFW chairs, you know. You gotta have the sit-down, cushy, swivel, roll back and forth chairs.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:06

You know, that's that's you need to be comfortable while drinking.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:09

Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:11

Chatting, eating chicken. So yeah, Gina Lee, Austin, Texas, and there we were, and I started working with her band, and then a couple years later, the derailers needed somebody. I started working with them. And really anybody did she give you permission to join a second band? Yeah, she did. I did miss early on, I did miss some derailer shows because I had commitments to Gina's band. I didn't I didn't quit the the shows of hers that I was already committed to to go off with the with the big group. And they respected that.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:47

That's professionalism. Kind of like uh if somebody you're gonna get a new job and you tell them you have to put in your two weeks, and if they get mad, I don't know if I want to work for that person because I I want uh I'm you know I'm gonna put my commitment in. I'm not gonna just quit on somebody and walk out, you know. Just you know, side note. Well, Brian Hofai.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:12

My boss from the derailers is a very understanding employer. That kind of stuff. And if you have to leave for a week or two to go up to Nebraska, for instance, be like, man, that's family, man, that's important. You gotta do that, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:27

Hey, what's Brian do besides music? Uh, because he is a real entertainer himself and uh a pretty charming cat. Uh he could be a salesman if he wanted to be. What is his job?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:38

I think he could be a salesman, and I will now go on record and say I think he would be great as an XM radio host. Right. Or any kind of terrestrial radio host. Yeah, yeah. He really speaks expositly. He does a great job. Uh no, he doesn't really do anything else besides writing and performing songs that the world loves.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:05

How many countries have you been in with the railer?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:09

I would have to think about that for a while. You know, the United States and Canada and Sweden, Germany, France, Scotland. Those are the ones that we've performed. Norway. Norway. Those are the ones we performed, and we've traveled through some others to get to those places. Uh like uh No Japan, nothing like that. The Derailers made a Japan trip, but I wasn't in the band yet when they did that. They performed on Okinawa. Oh. And they got there, they no more than got to the hotel, and the their Japanese host said, Oh, welcome, the Derailers. We're so happy to have you here from Texas. Here's a table piled high with Big Macs for you to enjoy. Some American food for you to enjoy.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:58

Uh, you know, uh I was in Tijuana once. And me and my buddy uh uh we were with the with the band, whatever, like both long hair, you know, dudes walking down the street in Tijuana, just getting hassled for, you know, hey, do you want this? Do you want this? You know, every stereotype thing you could think of. Whatever you want. And we just finally went in, we found like a planet, like a not planet Hollywood, one of those, what's the the music one? Like the Hard Rock Cafe? Yeah, we found it. We went in a hard rock cafe and just like just a decompress from like it's like petition signers, you know, like but petition signers might be worse. Yeah. Oh well, there's Tom Joyce, new uh KZUM programmer. Blue show, uh Tuesdays. Uh no, Wednesdays, no, Wednesdays. Oh yeah. I don't even care about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:03

On KZUM89.3 FM.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:06

Online at KZUM.org. Orgy.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:08

Just hit that orgy. Just hit that listen button. And then now there's a uh archive button right there, easy to find too. I love that. We pushed for that. Uh the program council, we uh we were pushing for that one.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:20

Well, back in the 90s, they didn't have an archive for K Z M.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:24

When I started a K Z UM, uh yeah, there was no archive.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:29

There was no the you can only listen for two weeks back.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:34

Only two weeks back, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:35

And so the archive is still only two weeks.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:37

Only two weeks, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:38

My K Zum archive is boxes of cassettes. Yeah, how many that I made taping the K Z UM Hayride on Friday evenings. That was uh I would say three or four years.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:51

Yeah, I have some in the basement someplace. There's some uh probably unmarked uh of the reggae shows back then.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:00

Uh and something was out of calibration because it's a 90-minute show, but I would still have time left on my 45-minute tape. Or, you know, it's a 90-minute tape also, but I'd have time left 45 per side. And I have mowed many a lawn listening with the Walkman to old uh Hayride tapes.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:20

Is it him talking, everything? And you did you edit it all? You just started yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:25

Ads. African Horizons used to be on after the Hayrides. So sometimes you get a little bit of African Horizons on after that.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:34

Oh, awesome, awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:37

Yeah, and I gotta tell you, uh, growing up in Lincoln, and again we talk about uh a kid living in uh Imperial or Maryland or something like that. Growing up in Lincoln, where am I, where am I going to become exposed to the music of Bob Wills and uh Alvin Crow and and on and on and on. You can name all the other and so John Schmidt and Kate the Wagon Master and KZUM, really, I was pretty well schooled in a bunch of that stuff before I ever got to Texas.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:11

Uh reggae?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:13

Yes. I mean for KZUM, Mexican music, Vietnamese.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:19

Uh yeah, a guy growing up in Wisner, where are you gonna hear? Were you gonna get hip to reggae music?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:24

No, no. Now we we did have the Sunday uh Big Joe poker show, or was it Moustache Joe or Big Joe? Radio Voice of Nebraska. Yeah, so it wasn't always, you know, there's a poker show on. I wish there was a poker show on KZM again, but native music, like the Irish music, uh like in the blues. Where are you gonna listen to the blues other than KZUM? I mean, you're not getting it on, you know, they well, they're gonna play the uh what's the word of invasion blues, yeah, you know, Led Zeppelin and yeah, cream. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:04

I could head to Homer's and go to the Western Swing Department and start out on my own, but John Schmitz has done all of that work for me, and already he's an expert. He knows everything cool, and so now I'm tuned into it. And now that I work in Alvin Crow and the Pleasant Valley Boys, I've told them that, told Alvin and his wife Stephanie that I learned these songs from a community radio station in Lincoln, Nebraska. And they think that's in the 90s, and they think that's wonderful. Major label records from the 1970s, he was on.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:38

I have to interrupt because this is important because it relates to KZUM and everything you're talking about. There's the Polly Music Library show on Saturday mornings and Sunday nights, half-hour show. Scott Scholes, any his last program was about mixtapes.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:54

Everybody good?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:55

I think I'm done, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:55

I'm thinking we're good. Uh I got him.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:03

And I look at KZUM as like every program is someone's mixtape that I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:09

Oh, yeah, total, 100%. 100%.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:11

And mixtapes, if you think about it, that influenced our listening for the rest of our lives more as much or more than any other kind of thing. And so that's why I think KZUM is so fun because it's almost like every hour or every two hours I'm listening to someone else's mixtape. Oh, and they're already an expert in whatever that is that they're hipping you to, and they love it, is the other thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:31

It's not a paid DJ that's coming in to play something that somebody in California has programmed for.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:37

Yeah, it's a passion thing. I mean, people want to do it. Excuse me if I was a little warm. Oh, just go ahead and remove me. So that's an old school flagged shirt. It's a yellow yellow rose of Texas. I wore my uh Wisner Pilger alumni margin band shirt.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:56

Yeah, I'll just uh stretch out here with my comfortable t-shirt.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:01

School music. You're a teacher of uh mines. Yellow rose of Texas.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:09

You know, when you first land at Austin Bergstrom International Airport, do you know what the first thing you see is a yellow rose of Texas? The yellow rose of taxis.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:22

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:23

I'm here all night. So the Allegro School of Music. The world's greatest jazz bass player. I heard that one the other day. Oh, yes. And then the world's greatest blues player, bass player, were having a conversation, and uh uh uh the blues player was like, Man, I feel sorry for you. I mean, I just sit there and play, I play the same thing over, and it's group, and everybody loves it, and I have control, and you gotta play all these notes. And the jazz, you know, they argue a little bit, and he goes, Well, you know, the blues bass player goes, Well, I feel sorry for you. So I'm gonna buy lunch today. And he goes, Waiter, check, please. And the waiter says, Sir, this is a soup kitchen.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:12

You're at a soup kitchen. Because they're bass players. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:18

Uh uh the name of the the name of the bass player in the in the wonders on the credits? You don't know. He doesn't they never say a name. It's just bass player. It is T period B period player. The bass player. That's his name on the the credits. They never mention his name ever. They just talk to him. All right, so uh Basil, we're uh running out of time. We're way over, but you know, whatever. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:55

Oh, some chewing gum.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:57

Uh uh uh yeah. So we're gonna do uh we're gonna do a quick run through Austin, Texas.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:10

Oh, all right.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:10

Where are we eating?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:12

Well, we're eating at Juan in a million. Juan in a million on uh East Cesar Chavez. And uh you have to get there before three o'clock because they close at three o'clock. All right, and Juan Mesa has a world-famous handshake. We'll do that. There are pictures of the derailers on the walls that are well worth checking out. And the um the Don Juan is their signature taco. It's an open face taco. Delicious, one in a million. Is Seesar Chavez, Austin, Texas. Where are you eating breakfast? I am I usually am not up early enough to enjoy breakfast unless I'm listening to the Slacker Morning Show. We have chickens at our house, so we always have eggs. Eat there a lot, but where am I having breakfast? I'll give you a straight answer. Any place that serves breakfast tacos, which is almost everywhere. And again, Juana William is a good choice for that. Um, and close to our house, gee whiz.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:15

Any good diners next to the house?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:17

No. Very few. We don't have a highway diner. You got uh Waffle House? There is a Waffle House, yeah. There's a Waffle House, and Denny's and stuff like that. Chains. Yeah, but Waffle House. But Waffle House, you're right. That's in Kyle. Uh where where are you uh where are we having a drink? Adult beverage. We are going to start out at Seaboy's Heart and Soul on South Congress, and then eventually we're going to move down the hill to the Continental Club in South Austin, Texas. If we really want to dance with someone else's wife, we'll go to the broken spoke and enjoy a enjoy a dance band over there. The aforementioned Weldon Henson or maybe Alvin Crow, etc.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:02

Alright, so uh let's talk Nebraska. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:07

Um when it gets cold in Nebraska, come and visit us.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:13

All right, you go, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:14

We'll we'll uh be happy to host, and we'll be happy to happy to have you there in uh central Texas.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:22

Oh man. I'm gonna do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:27

There was a place Little Mexico, I could have said that. They just closed a couple months ago on South First Street. They had delicious breakfast offerings.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:35

Uh okay, so let's do our Nebraska question. You know what's coming. Huh? Someone's coming to Nebraska. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:46

Where are you sending them? Well, this comes up because I'm I live far away from Nebraska, so I'm constantly sending people here. And I'm always, this has come up before, the Nebraska State Capitol easily, easily is where I send people. If they're music fans, if they're musicians, the zoo bar is second to that. Go to the zoo. And like the Continental Club, it doesn't matter what night it is, it doesn't matter what it says on the schedule, go there because that's a curated music venue where they're only going to have something good. Even if it's not what you're maybe into, it'll be good and you'll enjoy it. But yeah, the the state capitol, and time after time I've traveled to Nebraska with bands, and we stay in a hotel and say, hey guys, tomorrow, you know, shows at 10 o'clock or whatever, you're gonna have all day. I know all you want to do is lay in bed and watch HBO on TV. At some point, put your shirt on and go see the Nebraska State Capitol. And everybody always laughs at me. Oh, yeah, State Capitol, blah, blah, blah. So most people don't take me up on that, but when they do, it's always like, what the hell? What is this? What is this thing? What is this beautiful structure? And most of the time, when I'm visiting Lincoln myself, I make a trip in one way or another to the state capitol. So that's my my big uh number one. I like Car Hinge. I think that was John Taylor's suggestion.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:10

I love Car Hinge. I've been to Car Hinge.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:12

Been to Car Hinge.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:12

Andre and I went on a trip there.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:14

A couple times, been to Car Hinge. That's well worth seeing. Uh the Nibrare River tubing on the Nibrera's is a great experience in Nebraska. Um, they have a giant Kool-Aid man in Hastings.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:27

Yes, yes. That's a good one. Matt, we uh one of our future U and I on the rail off the rail shows. Uh we need to figure out, we need to talk about Kool-Aid.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:39

So put that in your brain.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:42

Not that it would have mattered.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:44

I got some good Kool-Aid anecdotal stories.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:47

Oh, beautiful. Beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:49

One of them relates to sweet basil McJuard. Oh boy. What? Yeah, and I didn't notice I didn't say basil McJugger.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:56

It's a pre-209. Pre-the change. The change I went through. I can't wait. A change in life. I got some good ones.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:04

This is good.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:05

Um, well. But you know that if you go to the Texas state capitol, you put every it's like an airport. You put everything in a tray and you walk through a metal detector, a radar, whatever it is. And they have probably Texas Rangers, law enforcement, maybe it's highway patrol, I don't know, or state patrol. They have law enforcement that check you out and make sure. And there are hours. You can't go there before 9 a.m. You can't go there after whatever the hours are. I don't know what they are. But there are hours that you can visit the Texas State Capitol, and you have to pass through a security check. As you both know, well, Nebraska State Capitol, anytime, and I think the door is open literally 24 hours. I think you can walk in there.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:45

I don't know about that, but I know that you can just walk in most of the time. I don't know about 24 hours, but uh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:51

No security, no shakedown.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:54

But there's cameras everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:55

Well, there is security, I shouldn't say that, but there's no shakedown, there's no radars that you walk through. Um and one time after a zoobar performance, the fellows that I was working with, after you know, a drink or two, we said, let's go check out the Capitol, let's go walk around and read the box butte. It says, but, you know, read the funny county names on the side. And uh and let's go do that. It was late at night, and so we were out there and we weren't harming anything, we weren't vandalizing, but we were on the property, and the security car rolls up, and the guy comes out, you know, and and I in my mind I was thinking, well, here it is. This is we're gonna get our neck stood on, we're gonna be in the Lancaster County lockup. Well, state lockup, probably there, aren't the captain? I mean, this is how you get busted in Lincoln, and now it's gonna happen. The guy came over and couldn't have been friendlier to us drunken Texans at a late hour of the night. Well, this state capital belongs to all of the people in Nebraska, and we're very proud of it, and we want you to enjoy our state's. Beautiful state capital. Please let me know if you have any questions. And God shed his grace on the they welcomed, they welcomed us and uh encouraged us to enjoy our visit to a Nebraska's beautiful state capital.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:15

Well, I gotta tell you, uh, I want to thank you so much for everything you've done for me for the radio show, the theme show song for the radio show, the theme song for the podcast is just brilliant. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:29

Uh we're about one song away from uh Slackerdame EP.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:33

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:33

All Slackerdame themed songs.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:35

And then Jeremiah Weir with the remix uh at the end is beautiful, but I love you. Next time you come to town, we'll do it again. Because I think we can do this every time you come to town. Thanks, Dave. I'm glad I can listen to you twice a week now. We didn't even talk about runza. At least you can no I believe, I truly believe that you should get a sponsorship deal from Renzo.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:02

It would be nice. But they have brought cases, by the way, I know you're trying to close. They have brought cases of Runsas to shows at the Zoobar that I performed so that we could enjoy three runzas during the uh basal trio and Gina Leap, etc. shows.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:22

Alright, love you both. Love you both. Thank you very much. Uh hey, be excellent to each other and party on kids.