EP #15 - Slacker Dave Loves Ron Wax

This is episode number 14 of the Slacker Dave Loves Nebraska podcast!

On this episode Dave has a conversation with Ron Albertson! 
Dave tracks down the legendary Ron Wax and they go to Duffy's and talk about Ron's music history! While trying to get the history of all the bands he has been Ron, as Ron does has a random story on any and all topics!
Buckle your safety belt and hang on for the totally unapologetically force that Ron is.
You can find the episode anywhere you listen to podcasts: Apple, Spotify, Amazon and YouTube!

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:23

So one with two. Someone who loves it all the four slacker days who loves Nebraska. Slacker Dave loves Nebraska. Slacker Dave loves Nebraska. And now, Slacker Dave.

SPEAKER_04 0:48

Hey. Loves Nebraska podcasts.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

Dude, that sounded like the radio. If I closed my eyes, that would have been the radio, Homer.

SPEAKER_04 0:57

I am Dave. First off, as always, want to thank everybody who's listened and downloaded and subscribed and liked and said anything to me and uh is a friend at all. And then of course, uh always shout out to my lovely wife, Amanda. I love you, baby. And uh they call it Amy at all?

SPEAKER_03 1:18

Amy, that's my sister, man. Any Amy. Amanda. Yeah, does she ever go by Amy ever? No, no, no. She's a man. I never knew that.

SPEAKER_04 1:28

No, that in India. I don't either.

SPEAKER_03 1:29

I I don't think it is a thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:31

No, I don't think it is a thing. I I would no, it's Amanda. Maybe Mandy. Maybe Mandy.

SPEAKER_03 1:38

Because Amanda's like that, right? I call do I call her Mandy? I can't remember. I think I do. Hey, my man, what do you do? I owe you a fire engine. I got your fire engine. I got it. I always joined in the studio. Oh my gosh. Now your brother painted her you did, right? Ron Wax.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

Hey, no, uh, give them a shout-out, brother. Give them a shout out. Tell them who you are. Tell them what show they do.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

You have number three, and then I then I you didn't show. I printed it right there in the front table. That's right. Printed perfect. But I did the brown. And so you do get a black on red instead. Yeah. Because I gave that to my big collector because I was like, I don't know what happened to him. And then I had it always rolled up with me.

SPEAKER_04 2:22

Wait, one second, Ron. Uh give a shout out uh to the show that everybody should go to.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Okay. On August 22nd, it's a Saturday at a Leavers. There's a benefit for BFM. Love Omaha.

SPEAKER_03 2:35

For what?

SPEAKER_02 2:36

Uh BFF Benson First Fridays. I love I'm a Benson boy. But the most exciting part about it is that Bernie's gonna be back in the world. Bernie fucking Caulfield Records. Yes. Oh, Sideshow.

SPEAKER_03 2:49

Sideshow Sideshow and uh cartoon. No, wait. I want to say.

SPEAKER_04 2:56

Yeah, yeah, pure puppet.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

Because that was almost a better name they went with Sideshow, which is great. Yeah. Well, but that Richard's a super weapon.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Also has uh Jeff, who played with Luck of Aaliyah.

SPEAKER_04 3:09

Yep, yep. And I know that's like shit.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

And obscurance is playing. So it's like you got your record out? Yeah, yeah. See, I've got the record. But tell everybody who you are. Uh Eric, my name's Eric Maley. I'm proud of the obscurance.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

Who else you played with? That's a great name, dude.

SPEAKER_02 3:27

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 3:28

I got another one very similar in that respect of that what say it again.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

The obscurance.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

Okay, because it is that that camera obscure kind. It's a base word root word of obscurance. Well, the thing. And my is it in the new to it? I can't tell you.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

If you look it up in the dictionary, it one of the definitions of an obscurant is somebody that spreads disinformation or spreads to tries to um manipulate your opinion of the butt you know obscurity's also like a obscurity.

SPEAKER_03 4:09

Slow pioneers, slow pioneers. Oh, slow pioneers, you were in slow pioneers. Fuck yeah, goddamn name. Uh so I remember you guys. Fuck that.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

There's a band band called Pheromones in Chicago. That's a cool name, too. Pilt down.

SPEAKER_05 4:25

In Chicago will destroy you, dude.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

What's with the Chicago cats? Any of the Nebraska migrates up in that band? Uh in the city.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Rob Walters plays. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_03 4:38

Now what's up with what's his face? Who was drumming for what's his name? The garage guy. King. You know, remember the guy who drummed with uh uh Bobby Khan and you know Colby. Yeah, Colby. He's still in the Chicago.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

He just started uh playing again, yeah, playing with some guys up there. But you know, he was in Pablo's and yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:02

Oh, that's right. See, Pablo's is so crushing. Yeah, I drugged that into all you guitar players, like all drummers practically, that fucking band. I know, I know, I know. And Armstrong, he's just like what he's no secret weapon, he's just the weapon. He's the weapon.

SPEAKER_02 5:15

So my first band was with Ben and Ron. And what you were called Rough ID of Cell. Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

No, man, come on!

SPEAKER_04 5:27

If you're gonna play two shows back then, that was too dope to play. Yeah, totally, dude.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

That's Kate Park in Grand Island of the whole, baby. Yeah, it was awesome. And the only photo that was headman said that random suitcase that had the cash at the door.

SPEAKER_03 5:44

Wait, what?

SPEAKER_02 5:44

That was the only picture he took of the show.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

It's like that what cash is like in a briefcase as he bowled me out? Holy shit, that's cool shit. And you know, he's a photographer freak.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 5:56

That's great. Rob was out and he's in he's just stuck in Chicago. No, he's back in Omaha. Oh, he is too. And Heda Femurby's in Chicago.

SPEAKER_04 6:03

Yeah, and Colby's still there. Heda Femur plays all the time. All the time. Not all the time.

SPEAKER_03 6:06

But I was expecting him to play Zoo, but they played Bodega when they were doing the last Lincoln thing or Lincoln.

SPEAKER_04 6:12

Yeah, but the Lincoln Exposed, they usually mix up, like, you know, if a band normally plays it in Zoo, they're gonna play someplace else. That's a good idea, actually. It's uh, you know, I think it's a good thing. Yeah, I think it's a good idea. I think Lincoln Exposed to me is quite possibly one of the most perfect uh festivals.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

But see, we always got to play the end go.

SPEAKER_04 6:33

Completely everybody gets paid the day.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

I went to Maha and the city.

SPEAKER_03 6:37

Yeah, what who was it on who was Maha? Who was on it? This year this year. Where'd you go?

SPEAKER_02 6:44

I went with Walters. Like we went to see Bright Eyes and Oh, oh, was it that this year?

SPEAKER_03 6:49

It's already over. Yeah, it was set. Earlier summer. Oh, it was.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Oh, last summer. I was it was good. Chef for the storm. It was really good.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

I mean, it was a lot, but they sounded like so what Bright Eyes just headlined the whole goddamn shit, didn't they?

SPEAKER_02 7:01

Yeah, but they were actually like second to last. Who was the headline? Wet leg, but all the fucking man, all girl fucking English. Yeah, yeah. But a lot of people were disappointed because they had a curfew do all the storms. See, I leave it at like midnight. Oh so they only played 35 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 7:20

See, that's why we're we're met what? Really? But that's the perfect punks. Who is all in bright eyes? You don't want to play brightness.

SPEAKER_02 7:29

Yeah, who's all in the lineup? Bi Wee was playing keys and guitar. Who's that? They had a new uh different bass player that had never met before.

SPEAKER_03 7:37

Oh, really? Yeah, Nate plays keys and um and I think they had the same drummer as the two were. And Mike is playing like a Dovro or like a fucking acoustic, or is it like electric? It's all electric. Whatever he was. Yeah, I saw some big thing. Whatever he was. What was that side project that he was using the Yeah drummer Brian and Nick maybe Zinner? And it was called the Oblivion uh you know uh something. Yeah. But I must have saw with what's her face bright eyes and uh who? Why maybe Bridger? Oh maybe she was in that too, probably. Yeah, she was crushed, yeah. That's it. Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't know if that was a video, but it was a live show somewhere, and Brian Chase was there. Oh, that'd be great, man.

SPEAKER_02 8:21

This is great because I'm gonna go by and bring you a vinyl. Can you take a vinyl?

SPEAKER_04 8:26

Oh, I can take a vinyl.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

So what? Where are you gonna drop it off?

SPEAKER_03 8:28

Because I'll leave your fire engine with him.

SPEAKER_02 8:30

I was just gonna go over to KCUM tomorrow morning.

SPEAKER_03 8:33

Okay, so I'll I'll I'll hand it off.

SPEAKER_04 8:36

We'll get it to you somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

Yeah, here's what I'll do. I'll leave it at labs. Your brother still goes over the labs. Well, he might, but I go, I've asked. Have you been going to Metlark? Have you seen the motherfucker? I go, yeah. I have been going there for coffee, but I never told me.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

Somebody's like, oh well, we'll let you know. We'll let Ronnie. No, he's uh yeah, he's good to see you man.

SPEAKER_03 8:54

He's dismembered in the woods. Yeah, it's good to see you. No, it's no, but I I was gonna do all those firemen, a bunch of prints, and then I went there one day.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

My grandpa was a fireman.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

Yeah, that's why. And I go, dude, I got a fire. Ronald's right. I think you pay me 30 bucks or whatever the fuck it was. I go the next day, I bring everything to Medlock and just print it there, but I don't have black. But I have my red brown, I usually use Buffalo almost dark enough, and I go, I've got to try that because it's the best ink I had. Yeah, I set up on that table and just rip that bitch print and perfect, dude. It looked kind of cool and brown, I have to admit it. And then we missed Paz in the next couple weeks, and I just said, I'm gonna give this a Hans, and then I'll just do a black because I got black ink. I did because he's a big collector.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

Okay, and uh, and so you'll get number four problems.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

So should I go to Metal Art?

SPEAKER_03 9:50

Yeah, well, yeah, which barista do you know the best? I'll leave it with them.

SPEAKER_02 9:54

Um I don't know them by name, it's hard. But yeah, the main guy that's usually there in the market.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

The trans guy? Or Jeff the Long Brunette. Yeah, Art Punk. Yeah, I'll leave it with Jeff.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

He doesn't work.

SPEAKER_03 10:05

He's got a studio of side eye, yeah. He's brilliant. He was on our last show. He played bass for us. Yeah, yeah. And he just played with, I think I tuned his bass to open tune, and he's just a natural fucking bass fan. But he's one of the noises.

SPEAKER_04 10:18

He's pretty brilliant no matter what.

SPEAKER_03 10:20

Yeah, no matter what. Shit, my man, you get it. Finally, I'll see him forever. I'll be there. And tell your brother I'm coming through, dude. He's gonna I'm gonna kill that fucker. All right, you can get it. Omaha rule, bitch. Like, what the fuck? Tell Connor a fucking, yeah, they should all hate him. He's better than they are. I keep going. Well run. Well, that fire engine was cool, dude. Jason tells me the fire is going on. I'm at Colteve at nine in the morning. He goes, hey man, did you hear about that fire down on goddamn Hall Street? I go, what? And I've been wanting to paint a fire engine since the goddamn man happened. So I just got on my bike. I had a brand new fucking just happened to be a red brush of a fine brush I bought from Gomez. And I get there with a blank 6x12 canvas, fucking stressed, yeah, yeah. Store bomb. And uh, you can I use your bike? Yeah, yeah. And I fucking set up on this, and it's just at the end, there's one truck, T21, just parked right behind the big tree that's left there. And I get the big huge tree, and I just go for it, cut the tree in, cut the fucking whole engine, man, the chrome fucking headlights and shit. Just look, I'm just diming the fucking whole thing. And there's a ladder up, it disappears off the canvas, I believe. And uh I got the tree and the roofs and everything in the middle ground, the trucks in the full background, full fucking thing. There's two guys, which is actually one guy walking up and then walking back down. I drop him down twice on it. Oh wow. And then I went, I see some guy straightening out hoses right in front of me. I go, dude, you gotta put him in, because I don't have anything in the foreground. I go, dude, you gotta cut him in if you're a pussy if you don't fucking cut this shit in. And I do, and I just fucking dime him. He's got suspenders, and I get his head and shoulders right in fucking full big, like he's this big, the truck is this big, the tree is right here. And right when I get done, this other fireman walks by, he looks over my shoulder to see what's going on. He goes, Oh, is that Scotty? I go, I don't know who the fuck he is. He goes, Yeah, that's Scotty Williamson. And so I'm giving that original to him, right? Just retired last year.

SPEAKER_04 12:32

Oh, nice, nice.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

Yeah. Anyway, that's how that painting came. Without Jason, I would have never got it.

SPEAKER_04 12:38

I was like, uh, not as much anymore, but it's Stransky Park. See, I missed all those.

SPEAKER_03 12:43

I kept forgetting it was Thursday.

SPEAKER_04 12:45

Uh the the fire, there used to be some firemen that come down because you know, they it's close enough where they can walk down.

SPEAKER_03 12:52

That's on Bandor. Yeah, that's a big one that I cut back my kids' old hood.

SPEAKER_04 12:56

There used to be a gentleman that would bring his uh, he had like a rat rod. Pretty fucking cool, a little nicer than a rat rod, you know. But uh the fireman, he used to be a fireman, so they all would come down. He must have worked with them or something.

SPEAKER_03 13:11

This place at Chet Moving where I play all the parking lot pianos until the rain destroys them. It's a hot rod shop next door, and it's like a 1940s fucking Ford truck, all ratted out, no bed. It looks cool. It's parked in the fucking parking lot. Got all gray primer in the door is like a pale yellow primer. It looks cool as fuck, dude. And there's no headlights, no glass in it. So at night when I sneak in there to play piano all the time, dude. Every night, they gotta go, dude, this guy, yeah, what is going on with his cat? But I'm ripping total terror on this fucking bitch. And they gotta be just going, holy fucking shit, man. Who the fuck is this guy? Yeah, it's gonna be your fucking death of your Steinway, you bitch. But here's what happens that whirling closes close enough or tight enough, and it's against the back wall to where it gets sheltered from the most of the rain downpour. So you can't. And it's safe, so it still works. I've been playing for weeks. And there's six or seven other dead ones that I played before they died.

SPEAKER_04 14:11

You know, pianos you can get a piano for almost free if you move it.

SPEAKER_03 14:17

They want me to move it. That's why I don't bother with this, like they've thinking I'm ripping them off, because I've talked to them.

SPEAKER_05 14:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:22

You go, dude, what's up with these pianos? Back in the day when we were playing, I bought I bought a fucking recorder so I could record it right when I first see them. So I could do a lo-fi recording of a jam on them. Because I thought they were gonna haul them away to the dump the next day. It took them seven years to haul them all to the goddamn dump. Man, Ron, if you're gonna be able to do it. And they were some of the coolest photos you could have done. A bird's eye view of this just shattered, disintegrated keyboard was the coolest shit. I a black and white photo, you would have been famous just so many tapes. Yeah, I know. They're all our songs, dude. That's why I gotta refigure out how to play powder in goddamn fucking bird brain. I've forgotten. Because I think I've I've ripped off the bird brain. Yeah, I know that part. Yeah, it was that the coolest song, dude. We could just crush them and have the fake indie. We could just do it 20 times, and nobody would care. Alright, Ron. What?

SPEAKER_04 15:16

What was the first band you were in?

SPEAKER_03 15:18

Uh Jagged Edge. Jagged Edge? Yeah. No, it was actually Stagger Wing. Stagger Wing? Yeah. It was right when I joined the Malcolm band, they got some Chuck, who's a big fat kind of roly-poly kid who's a singer, guitar player, and uh Jeff Steiner on bass, and and um and me on drums because Tom Batista quits, our our buddy, who was the first drummer of our crew our crew, Latino Cat showed me my first drum beast. So your first band you were a drummer in. Oh yeah, yeah. I was always a drummer. No, not always. Were you? Well, no, no, not until our band, but well, no, I thought you played bass in. Well, I did just because I uh because my buddy was playing drums. Rice was playing drums in DMR. Yeah, yeah. That's why I wasn't, because when I get back from Denver, Mark Walker's playing with Simpkins. I don't even know Simpkins. He's a year behind me in Northeast, kind of one of those Sabant motherfuckers. But he hang out with a lot more of the dead crowd, which we didn't, metalhead kids didn't hang out with them. We just bought our weed from them. And they'd soak them down with water and make us pay more for it, but we didn't give a shit. We all we could afford was nickel dimes. And uh, and that was the Northeast deadheads, man. Half of them were cool on our crew, half of them were. The ones that sold us wedded down weed probably were, right? And uh what do you do? But anyway, he's playing with fucking Simpkins and he goes, hey Ron. And he's playing drums because Walker's a killer drummer dude. I mean, he's fucking Native American anyway, and he's just good at everything, so that's why he's fucking gone. He's a drug addict piece of shit, couldn't drag his dick out of it. But he's smarter than anybody else, that's why I don't like those fucking co kids. I don't like those fucking drug addicts because took down my smartest buddies. Yeah, these fuckers are brilliant sons of bitches, and you think you got big enough balls to beat these drugs? No, you ain't got shit, homie. You're bubblegum motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_04 17:18

What uh what band was that?

SPEAKER_03 17:21

That was uh Staggerwing was the one in Malcolm basically was my very first one. No, uh no, and here's what happens actually. Me and Walker have one before that. Yeah, I for we don't even I don't remember a name. It was just me, Mark Walker. We play the eighth grade dance for 75 bucks. It's my first paying gig ever. Oh wow. In eighth grade, they're all stoner jams, about five of them. We have one that's kind of a slow song. No vocals, I don't think, on any of them. And they're just stoner jams, and we play our whole set was probably about 20 minutes, right? And they all want us to play a slow dance song because they're all eighth graders at a dance, and we're going, we're done. We played everything we thought. And Blaine Hubbard was a short little fucking bass player of ours, a little pothead buddy of ours. Super brilliant little fucker, but just the tiniest little fuck you ever known. Blaine Hubbard lived on Knox right down in fucking Unite place. And Mark Walker and me just playing a stoner goddamn jam, five songs in a row of ball smoking, acid tripping, fucking, we're little seventh-grade stoner kids who want to be goddamn kiss. Or Ted Newgen or whoever the fuck you want to be.

SPEAKER_04 18:33

But that band had no name.

SPEAKER_03 18:35

That band I can't remember if we had a name, I don't remember. That's weird. I never would have thought of that. But then the next one is that Malcolm knows it because Jeff has moved to Malcolm because he's got a bottom. And then the next one was was Staggerwing. And then after Staggerwing. Was Jagged Edge. And then after that, Rough Draft, which is basically the same ones of all those Kegger bands. Yeah, yeah. And I came up with Rough Draft, which is probably the worst name. I don't know. I don't know. It's kinda it's not no draft resistor, like Shoemaker's side project. Yeah, but that's But Rough Draft, I just thought, oh, I'm kind of a drawing, sketching, illustration guy. And this is kind of the beginning of a band. I thought it might work. And Rough Draft, we were all resisting the draft at the time.

SPEAKER_04 19:15

It's better than free parking. Yeah, or free beer, yeah. No, no parking.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

Yeah. But you know, that's what it was. It was like we were all 18, not wanting to register for the draft. Yeah, yeah. Because we said, fuck you, war pig bitches. And then what was after that one? That was uh that's what happens that right after that one is basically me and Dave Farrens, the double road scholar cat, gets on the front page of Journal Store without killing somebody. That's his joke. Because he graduates when his mom his mom graduates the same year as him. Oh, yeah, yeah. When she goes back, and she's the librarian. She always liked me because she was kind of a painter.

SPEAKER_05 19:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

And he's a guy that we call up. I call up Lincoln when liars have to hit Portland next because we don't know anybody in Portland to stay with. And I have to call up Emily Farns to get his her kid's number, Dave, my best buddy, we played with Matt Sweet. Me and him, right? He gets me the drummer job for Matt Sweet because he gets the box organ player guy. Which he was barred.

SPEAKER_04 20:14

I remember staying in Portland with him. Yeah, you probably side show.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Oh, you might have. Who are we talking about again? Oh, Dave Farrens. You think so?

SPEAKER_04 20:24

Maybe. Oh, don't quote me on that one.

SPEAKER_03 20:25

Yeah. But he used to be the guy in the return, the bass player for the return. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:30

They were great. So well, you know, Bernie knows, you know, what we stayed every place. Bernie knew somebody everywhere. You know, when sideshow.

SPEAKER_03 20:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How long how many times do you go on? I was sideshow. Just a ton. Just a hand. No, no. Because they did everything, dude.

SPEAKER_04 20:46

I only went on like one or you know, one long time.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

That was enough. That must have been cool as fuck. Were they played a lot of house shows all ages? A lot of bars.

SPEAKER_04 20:55

All ages bars. It was a mixture. Uh pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 21:00

What was the coolest gig you remember? Because those guys, they're hard drinkers, man. They're all drinking, right? What do you do? Just hang out, and you probably weren't even smoking then.

SPEAKER_04 21:10

No, no. Uh uh Seattle, I remember. Where'd you stay in Seattle?

SPEAKER_03 21:16

We stayed in Brooklyn, I think. Might have stayed with Dorne. The first time because of Bernie. Bernie's already cracking Brooklyn open before even my ride girl junkie bitch from fucking Lincoln. Yeah, he knows. Yeah, Bernie. But not much earlier because uh we were they played some Brooklyn gig at some CMJ fest, and we ended up maybe sleeping around that area.

SPEAKER_04 21:38

Bernie McGain might be one of the most famous people I know.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Yeah, and what he's is he still just like buying music for fucking Amazon or some crazy?

SPEAKER_04 21:47

I don't remember what he was doing, but he's like out of the room. And him and Tamara are still together.

SPEAKER_03 21:55

I don't I don't remember. Yeah, she had really freak hair like him, man. Are we at Dead Man Run? No, not yet. But here's what happens basically, after uh punk rock hits, me and Dave want to do a punk rock band, not a fucking Leonard Skinner fucking Kegger band, right? And I quit that band, Jeff Stunned, that I'm quitting it. Because we got the ringer on fucking goddamn guitar, fucking Havelock Savant, Dave Morrissey. Who's older than all of us and part of the hippie hoodlums of Havelock Park. But the biggest giant, like he's a the perfect cross between D-Boon and Slash. He looks kind of like Slash with a D-Boon body, right? He's like the silent giant who could just drink three cases of beer, you wouldn't even know it. And I'll drink your fucking shit and I'll play your fucking shit. And we pick him up in a rainstorm on fucking Adam Street. Because I'd seen him at a keger in Havelock as a seventh grader. And he was playing Working Man, and he was just, they were so loud, it was a Havlock Kager where you couldn't move, dude. 1970, whatever the fuck your dick is, old. It ain't old enough. And uh and I'm going, that guy is shredding. And the guy playing rhythm for him is Kevin Walker, kind of a no-brained hippie guy, had the perfect rock and roll hair, but he just was kind of a mediocre guitar player, but one of the drug addict Havlock Hood guys. And he was playing rhythm guitar and they were playing Working Man, and Morphe is just shredding. They were so loud through 100-watt marshals in this bedroom where you couldn't move. And then the same with the hallway and the kitchen, you know, it's just a classic Havlock kicker. Right out of scratching the eight ball or whatever the fuck that shit is. I'm the little kid in that story, running for the coughs, diving out the window. That's my life in Havlock, basically. And so what happens is uh we see him in the rain because Jeff is gonna drop me off at 52nd Greenwood. That's why we're on Addis, pouring fucking rain. And I'm gonna jump out and he's gonna drive his maroon fucking Chevy pickup truck out to Malcolm because that's where he lives now, because his dad. So he was with us all in the junior high, but in high school, he goes to Malcolm. And I grew up in Malcolm playing rock and roll because I get Tom's job. Who I'd take into Buddy Rich, man. And right when we're going over the underpass, my buddy Tom, I'm going, dude, we got hash and weed. We're gonna go to Buddy Rich because we're both drummers, right? And he comes over to my house, he was never, nobody, we'd always be over at Walker's house. It was cool to smoke weed there. And uh, and he'd come over so we could drive my first car, Fort Fairlane, out to fucking Omaha at the Jostin Art Museums where he was playing. And I get tickets to it and fucking take Tom. Because he showed me my drum beats, and we're the fucking fucking stoner buddies. And he's the guy who's just too lazy to go out to Malcolm out there doing it for a while. He's the first guy I see a rock man was Mark, him on drums in junior high, Dawes, before I'm actually in a drumming position. Even know how to play a kit yet. And uh and some old ninth grader who's kind of the the the GQ guy, right? The you know, bass playing guy was never gonna be very good at bass playing, but he's GQ little fucking, you know, a sex machine. I'm gonna fuck your girlfriend, your sister at the same time. And they were doing Lagrange, right? And Walker had that Lagrange, and and Tom was playing it, and it was the first rock band that you see at like a school talent show, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even though in Omaha, all my neighbors were doing the lip syncing to Jackson 5 and shit. Yeah. Because there were three black kids who could dime that shit, right? I remember Gene just spinning around doing the WAAH and Wayne and fucking Lennon back then, they're all doing the dance shit. This is 1973. So that's junior high or that's that's grade school shit in Omaha. So what about the the talent show? But the talent show was seventh grade or something before I'm really playing with Mark. So the very first jam session I do is in the basement of Mark Walker's house on a toy drum set from David Biggs, who is a trumpet player, jock boy from Dawes, who was all of our buddies, and he busted out his fucking tooth in shop class with a hammer. Oh. I know. And he was selling this toy drum set for two bucks at some yard sale, and we bought it. I had to tape the snare head up with electrical tape, it's just a big long rip, and that's what I'm playing with when I'm jamming my first sessions with me and Mark just sitting in his living room, and his mom and dad are watching TV in the same room as we're just trying to tap off some crazy stoner jam shit, right? And I'm playing the bass drum pedal with my knee, I believe. Because it's a tiny toy kid. And that's my very first time I ever climbed on a set, right? Oh, right on. And then that's why Mark was ahead of everybody, because his dad was already playing Oklahoma, who could play Delta fucking crush your shit, shit. Yeah. And was already privy to the protests of 60s and folk revival. And Mark is just a natural that way. Hey, yo. And that's why he was a great drummer. He showed me how Bunny E. Carlos from Cheat Trick had this grace note in front of everything.

SPEAKER_04 27:14

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

Which I could never figure out. And he fucking fucking goes, oh no, it's this. That's why when I get back from Denver, he's playing drums for Simkins, and I have to play bass.

SPEAKER_04 27:24

Hey, wait a second.

SPEAKER_03 27:25

Just to help him out.

SPEAKER_04 27:26

We gotta play, we gotta take a break for a minute. Okay, cool, yeah. Right on, right on. We'll be right back. Because they'll go, he'll go. Hey, I want to thank Duffy Tavern for being a sponsor of the Flacker Dave Loves Nebraska podcast. I want to thank uh Scott and the whole family uh for uh believing in my uh thing here.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

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SPEAKER_04 28:10

Hey, want to give a big thank you to Rick Peters for sponsoring the Slacker Dave Love Nebraska podcast. Rick is an independent insurance agent, uh AMS Insurance Center. The phone number is 402-476-3599. He's a great guy, great personal service. Amanda and I have been uh customers of his for years. He just a real good guy. You just you want to come see him. But the most important thing about Rick is he is a host of not one but two shows on KZUM 89.3 FM. Uh he hosts Rockin' Bones on Friday nights from 6 to 7.30. Rockabilly and all that kind of related fun music. And then Tuesday mornings from uh 6 a.m. to 8 a.m. It's the Sugar Frosted Chocolate Balm Diggity Good Time Show. And you never know what you're gonna hear on there, but you know, they call him Rickabilly. I like to call him Rickopedia. He knows a lot. Great shows. Thank you very much. Hey y'all, I just want to thank uh Rourke's Tavern for sponsoring Slacker Dave Loves Nebraska. Rourke's Tavern, it's Lincoln's downtown. It's like a neighborhood bar right in the middle of downtown. We're at 1329 O Street, and uh you know Rourke's I've always described as kind of like the backstage to the Lincoln uh musical community. Uh they do fun things all year round, they got specials every day, they got two pool tables, they do dance parties, they got a chili cook-off every year. So you just want a nice, relaxing time, come on down, see Jordy and the whole family down here at O'Rourke. Thank you. Hey, I just want to thank the Dubar for sponsoring the Black of Day Buffett Nebraska podcast. Pete, I want to thank you a lot for doing this. Uh I appreciate it. Tell people why they should come to the two bar. I mean, where else are you gonna come? All right. Thanks, Pete. All right, we are back. Uh I am with the peg. We are back. I'm with Ron Elvis and Ron Wack. Ronnie Joe as uh who says that.

SPEAKER_03 30:37

Yeah, she does say that. The only other person, my aunt, Artist, says that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't realize that. Ronnie Joe and Heidi would always say that. Heck yeah. Now here's one I wanted to say this of one of John's best lines, which he has many, not few, is Rock and Roll ain't got no holidays. I was like, dude. You wonder why I play with those bitches. Let's go back.

SPEAKER_04 31:02

We're gonna keep going through all the bands you've been in. Oh, fucking Christ, son of a crap. Where are we at? We're uh with Simkins.

SPEAKER_03 31:09

We're in eighth grade, then we go to the metal kegger bands of Malcolm, run the roost like fucking True Hill Billy, fucking Kidd. And then I come back because we want to do punk, and I think that band is too Hessian. And Jeff is stunned, I'm quitting, and gonna do a new band with Dave Farns. The Hotshot Ringer from East High, Mike Myers, who's in fucking um Justin Morgan, one of the big hair bands, and is just shredding. And his band is extra.

SPEAKER_04 31:41

Extra.

SPEAKER_03 31:41

That Elkent Wagamont reviewed as a like a fleet of cement trucks jamming. It's like they suck to last. They played Foreigner, you know, Boston. Wait, so what's the next band for you? But anyway, what happens is we do that band with a fucking ringer singer too from Northeast, Ron Saboda. Oh, yeah. Goes off and sings for Walt Disney or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we could do shit like uh um the fucking Gray Slick song where they hit the big high end, you know, after Grace. I always hate Grace Slick anyway. It sucks for some reason. She just sounds like a slut. Let's just say that. I don't know. No, I know, everybody loves her. Don't get me wrong. She's no Jazz Joblin, baby. I love that girl. But for some reason, she's always bugged me. And Sarah always loved it, and that's the only little misgivings I have with Sarah. All right, next one. Even though she said never say whistle on your record, I think she's correct. Next one is uh, we we get that going, then all of a sudden we have a couple inceptions to that. We get bust, we get another ringer who's like the Neil Young Fucker from Savant motherfucking Northeast again. Some frizzy redhead probably Juve.

SPEAKER_04 32:54

What's that name?

SPEAKER_03 32:55

That I've forgotten. I forgot. I don't know if it had a name. Did it have a name? Well, I don't know. It was the New Wave, it was the New Wave Punk Band that I start with Dave. The guy who's a chemist, right? Yeah. In Portland now and MIT and you know, Japan, the whole bit. They all had to give up their punk rock life for PhDs and they would live through us, right? The whole rock and roll life because they were really too busy being scientists. What band name was that? Uh, I forgot. I don't think we had one. And then it turns into Dave gets this gig with the dial tones. The dial tones. Where he's gonna take over the sales guitar salesman position of math suite, because he's quitting. That's how they know each other for a week of training. And Matt wants to do the PowerPoint Elvis Costello shit because he's a master of the PowerPop construction. And kind of the savant of the bass playing 15-year-old kids who are is the bright eyes of the 80s. And um has a vox organ. Dave, my buddy, the double road scout, loses one because he's a fucking drunken rake. And uh he don't care. He's got two of them.

SPEAKER_04 34:07

What the name of that band?

SPEAKER_03 34:08

The name of that band uh was the Dial Tones was with Matt Sweet, because he gets the job because he has a vox organ. That's the only reason why fucking Matt used us. Yeah, yeah. Because Dave's a bass player, crushing bass player. He's a crushing guitar player, dude. He's played. You play drums in that band, right? Yeah, and I played drums, and that's right when I'm formalizing my own style, kind of out of the Kegger rock band, because I've been playing for 10 years already. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just shred it. We do it just like liars. He has a tape, four-track tape made in his closet on 27th Street, where he lives, where he lives with the Bougeval, you know, motor father or whatever. And uh we dime 11 songs first practice. Just dime the shit out of it. I'm just Power Pop drumming freak because I love that shit. And if Shoemaker asks, Who the fuck, where'd you find your drum? You know you're doing something right, dude, because I didn't even know Shoemaker, but all that that young Bud knew all the old school because they were so crushingly good and famous already by just already playing the earliest spec gigs, any anything. When I saw him warm up REM, he was called Something Executives or something. He was with Mike Pinner, his his lifetime writing partner, who's probably got credits on some of the T at the BBC show, Awesome Power shit. Because Mike Myers and Sweet would double co-write a lot of that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if and Mike Penner was in the Jets, which is the very first glam punk band I see at drumstick was the Jets. So Three Bill Knight, the Wing Nuts from Omaha, or the Blue Ducks, one of the other Blue Ducks were a three-piece kind of a fucking early kind of uh overplaying trio fucking grungy fucking rock. And the uh wing nuts were kind of this goofy little almost new wave-ish David Byrne thing that turns into Disco Ranch, a duo, super new wavy disco thing. That white-collar crime we play with. So the first year of college, I actually just answer an ad in the paint in on the wall of the union for a punk rock drummer playing Sex Pistols, Ramones, and whatever, because I'm first year art student, right? Yeah. And I'm not playing with Dave right now. We don't got that. We I think we did the dial tones in that first year of college, right?

SPEAKER_04 36:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:23

Or right when I drop out after two, maybe 81, 82, because I think I start in 80. Because I well, I graduated in 80. Would you do your first college year in 80? Because I went directly after high school, so that would be 80, 81, I suspect I went. And by 81, I'm already dropping out and probably playing with Matt Suite, or in the last year of college we're playing. Because we're playing big frat parties and shit. Uh Halloween things and shit, right? That I lined up actually through this fraternity chick, the sorority chick who was an art major who was super hot and fucking hot as shit. And I totally was in love with her. And somehow there's no way she's some sorority chick, but she's in leopard skin, it's punk rock explosion, right? 1980. And we get it earlier because we've already been going the drumstick since the mid-70s, and they've they already got the beat on the news, and we don't have to wait five years like the rest of goddamn Midway because of the drumstick. And uh basically what happens, what was I just saying? What was I on? Well, we're at the dial tones. Yeah, so we play almost a year with it, and it's just power pop better than any of the records he's put out since. Girlfriend, I don't give a fuck. That that girlfriend records mixed like a fucking turd shit. I love that song though. But I do too, yeah. I know why it's a hit, but Jesus Christ. That's a great cover. I know that's what I'm saying. He almost didn't get to use it, I heard. He just wanted to use it so bad that he's correct because that photo is fucking destroyer. It's a beautiful cover. But it's a girl, and they're all beautiful, and that's the way they start. It's not tough to get those fucking things. But that thing is just that's why he was so adamant about getting that photo. He must have had to pay through the ass to do it. She's a famous kind of movie star, or whoever it is. Who is it? You know, I can't. But yeah, I love that shit. And Ivan, he's the guy I saw down at Oscars when I do see Matt Sweet after he's already moved to Athens. In the early days, right?

SPEAKER_04 38:27

He was in something even before that, it was called Because Athens was the place to move to at the time. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:33

Because he was an REM nut, right? And he knows all those guys now. But what happens is uh every time somebody would tell me that, because I just played with him, right, and quit, because Dave fucks up and doesn't show up at the biggest gig we got. Walt Ferguson at U and L campus in the ballroom with 2,000 fucking kids, and you gonna fight with your drunken fucking co-drunk fucking girlfriend. The California rake that I hooked you up with.

SPEAKER_04 38:59

Oh, you you missed the kid. Carleen, Carlene.

SPEAKER_03 39:03

No, Carlene, she's the one who has a kid with Bob Stenson. Because she moves out to Minneapolis and she's my art buddy. One rule. What? You can't miss a gig. You can't miss a gig. Like what, and especially that gig. So here's what happens. We're all pissed at him. Because here's why it happens. We have two cars there, and some reason my Havlock crew is there in the in in the fucking D-boone slash Savant giant scientist Mountain is driving one of the cars, some Havlock ghetto car, big boat, and then Dave's fucking other car has got all the drums and the keyboards. And they're fighting with his girlfriend as we're loading out of the garage space on Corn Oscar. That the dial tones had that garage space, right? Oh yeah, we're in the dial tones. We're loading out, and they're in a fight, drunken sprawl, almost fist fighting. And I'm like, and I jump in the other car and I go, Dave, I'll meet you down at the goddamn unit. It's like two o'clock in the morning is our slot, right? So it's late already. We go down there, it is just packed, right? And every and we get all of our shit up there, but there's no drums or keyboards. Or if there would have been drums, we would have played that game without the motherfucking keyboards. I'll bet you anything. But they were in his car and he was so bummed about his girlfriend, he knew if he showed up that she would just follow him there and get in a big fight, and he just couldn't do it, he just went home. Oh man. And so I called him up the next day, just wanting to chew his fucking dick off. And right when I started doing it, I go, all right, Dave, I'm not even gonna do this. You've heard this all day long from anybody else who's involved with this shit, and you gotta be sick of it. And then what is the fucking deal? He goes, Well, yeah, I went into work and I asked Matt what the story about the band was. Yeah. He goes, No story, no band. So then what was after that band? That was it. After that band, I um get the DMR thing going, I suspect. And then get the call from the nightmares within a year of that or so.

SPEAKER_05 41:04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:05

And I'm only still playing bass because my little shit kicking buddy I put on drums to begin with, when he's annoying all of us tripping balls, fucking junior high kids doing uh 11-minute drum solos uh in honor of kids, right? While we're trying to sleep at seven in the morning after we've been partying. Who is in DMR? Steve Rice, the guy who's annoyingly fucking what's your chip on your shoulder, dude? Uh best friend of mine, right? Little protege. He's a diver, a drawer, a drummer. He turned into a great fucking drummer. Who's that? Steve Rice. Oh, yeah. But he still scares the shit out of me. Um, and Mark Walker was a guitar player. And we were just this collage of all this shit, goth, hardcore, punk. I think would you on like a but then we heard that tape recently because Tony wanted to hear it, and sure enough, it holds up.

SPEAKER_04 41:56

Were you on like a live in Lincoln or one of the broadside tapes or something like that? Nightmares were.

SPEAKER_03 42:02

Oh, Dead Man Runs. No, I don't think DMR was. Really? I swear. But we had that cassette. You ever see that cassette? It was a six-song cassette. We did it somebody's studio, it was the very first record I made. And the guy uses bulky race tape, which is just a nightmare of like, dude.

SPEAKER_04 42:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:19

Just because you think you're a cheap fucking little hippie fucking loser. You people always, yeah. They cut corners, right? And so he wanted me to use flat wound strings. Like, no, dude, this isn't 19 fucking, this ain't Motown, bitch. I wish it were, believe me. But that's where I do, that's where I do the Vietnam song that they when Heath takes my slot from wide, he takes my slot when I get the nightmares call. Just because I jammed with Danny Shoemaker and Dave Farns, my double role scar. Yeah, yeah. Because Dave and him, we all knew he was a guitar hero in art students.

SPEAKER_04 42:57

I get to see Dan every once in a while, he'll he'll fill in the back of the state. Because he's back.

SPEAKER_03 43:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I bet. Yeah, he's a shreddy. He was our biggest.

SPEAKER_04 43:05

He did like a biggie, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 43:07

See, he could do anything at 16, dude. And we all knew he was in a band called The Art Students.

SPEAKER_04 43:12

Yeah, he's been in a and that's when he was 16.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

So when he when Dave brings him out the years later, right, to the storage garage after we break up with Dowtone, and Dave's trying to mastermind the next outfit he wants to fucking crush everybody with. It's fucking goddamn Danny Shoemaker. He shows me the drum beat to Jenny Drug Stabbing Time or something, some clash song. Because you know, shoemaker, he knows how to play drums too. Uh works for the drug squad? Maybe or something. I think drug stabbing time is that another one that's just kind of or mother something. It was just this cool beat, dude. Yeah, yeah. And that's why he knew when John asked him, because him and Taylor are already buddies, do you know any drummers? He goes, Well, there's this one guy jammed with one time, and that was me, and that was the only reason why they called me. They've gone through a yeah, Dan. That's why I've always credited his ship for it. They've gone they went through it quite a bit of a shit. Because I get the call. I'm working down at UNL as a designer, a sign maker at the Henslick building where Rich Higgins used to go to like teacher college or something. Yeah. And I would see him in the hallways before I knew Sideshow, and I wasn't in Night Verge yet. I meet Greg Cosgrove there because he's in teacher scholars.

SPEAKER_04 44:22

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

And he comes through there and I realize he's this punk rock kid who's moved to Dallas or LA or whatever. And I'm just enthralled with him, right? Because that's all I want to do is just get the fucking start-up punk band that goes everywhere. And so he thought, he thought, because he's telling these guys, he's that same guy, that drummer, new drummer guy that we just died. Shit, because we got to Bucky's, which was a pinball storage garage that they rented for rock and roll practices, a Cornhusker. And we played five or six songs of whatever they got going already. And I just destroy it because I haven't played drums for five years. Because I'd stopped to play bass and for my other buddies' bands that were already covering the drums or something. Yeah. And so it was just fun as fuck for me because they just started with a song called Water. It was just a shuffle thing that as a drummer you can just spin off any fucking thing you want. And they just start bouncing off the walls, dude. It's just like it's the funniest goddamn shit I ever seen. And we do five or six goddamn songs, get the hell out of Dodge, and the rest is goddamn history, is that so that was the band, dude. If Nirvana would have existed, it would have been that motherfucking band, bitch. Heck yeah. Or cross between replacements and Nirvana, whatever the fuck you want to call it, dude. That was fucking cut in the circuit. Oh yeah, that's uh pretty good. Because them guys could do it, man. That's all they were, they can't play for anybody, anywhere, anytime. You know the story. You you go around with all these fuckers all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you don't play your gig, you're you don't play Detroit, you're you're in the wrong band. How long was uh were you in uh 13 Nightmares? It was five years at least. Five years? Yeah, it seems like a long time for a band, which it is, actually.

SPEAKER_04 46:12

Yeah. Who else was touring back then when you guys started touring? All of them, dude.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

They were all cutting it. Black flag, any of those. No, no, Lincoln bands. Oh, Lincoln only sideshow. We outtored everybody from the beginning. Yeah. Mannequin Beach? We did a two, yeah. They actually did two, because they're having it at the same time and it gets signed at the same time, and they are doing the road thing with a school bus. Because they are like this communal punk rock hippie shit, because the Mannequin Beach house becomes one of the punk houses for a reason, because it's a communal thing, right? Yeah, yeah. It's all the cutting-edge punks, and they've got their guitarist on. And then he follows all my positions up in Stottinger's bass position in Mannequin Beach. But that's why, even though Jeff had to chase his PhD, he made two of the best records in Lincoln. So what? Mannequin Beach, because Heath ain't on those records. But uh Heath would jump my bass slot and DMR when I quit to join Nightmares, right? Because I just know I'm with my junior high buddies, we ain't never gonna do shit. Or we might, but in the end, dude, I know this band. I've seen him before you ever was in him, and you just knew this was like an explosion. They were so into it. That's why I quit playing drums because none of my front guys would go into it.

SPEAKER_04 47:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:31

I go, well, then fuck, if you ain't gonna go into it, I'm gonna fuck a strap of guitar and I'm gonna shove your dick up your ass. Guitar players are pussies.

SPEAKER_04 47:40

You know, I always uh uh always like to ask, uh, why does it take them so long to set up?

SPEAKER_03 47:46

Yeah, because they got white gloves on and they're put taking off each symbol with polish.

SPEAKER_04 47:51

No, no, the the the guitar players.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

Yeah, because they're all baby sad bitches. No, see, I always play off the guitar riff, though, right? So my guitar players are so brilliant, I was like, dude, whatever. So uh when when Thursday. John always had the monster riff, right? I mean, I knew you could just tell this kid just practices all the goddamn time. He don't got anything else to do. His wife's in the band. They ain't never gonna break up. This is the perfect goddamn band to be in if you want to work. That's why I did it, because they were as committed as I was.

SPEAKER_04 48:25

Heck yeah. So when when when 13 Nightmares, when you got into 13 Nightmares, who were the other big bands at that time, right?

SPEAKER_03 48:32

Oh shit, man. Bad livers were happening. We played gig at the end.

SPEAKER_04 48:36

No, I'm like Lincoln bands.

SPEAKER_03 48:37

Oh, Lincoln bands, uh, Sideshow, um, just the millions, new brass guns, all the fucking the holiday, you know, anything that was coming out of the early 80s, man. You know, the clique was happening. King Corn, they were called King Corn or Dick Tracy or the coloring books before they actually settled on the clique. They were all the elitist sounds. But that's a little bit earlier, right? That's just the beginning of the 80s, middle of the 80s, all the nightmares man can beat shit happens. If you go back to long hair wearing your street clothes and that skinny tie shit fuck, the keyboard is fucked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just loud as you can fucking possibly be. And you get a fairly mediocre drummer in those dynamics, and break it down to the hi-hat and rim shot, you hear all these great guitar parts, man. It's like you get the fucking, and we we never had one symbol yet, did we? Yeah. That was the perfect innovation, Jimmy. That's why you can hear everything. There's no other symbols.

SPEAKER_04 49:36

I have a symbol.

SPEAKER_03 49:37

You got a symbol now?

SPEAKER_04 49:38

Yeah, one symbol. With Levi? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:40

I didn't see it that night.

SPEAKER_04 49:41

All I do is uh there's uh there's a part maybe I do. There's the part where I just do some like little splashy things. Just get the mallet shit, because that's perfect.

SPEAKER_03 49:50

And then uh I really normally the only reason why you have mallets, right? Yeah, well, because I can find it. Now whatever happened to that mallet guy, the gone guy, is he still around town? Justice was working for him and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You still got the Scooby-Doo van? I'd never see it. He probably doesn't.

SPEAKER_04 50:04

No, I don't know that. I don't know. That's the guy.

SPEAKER_03 50:07

He gave he gave us a couple mallets for you guys, and they just what deteriorated within instantly.

SPEAKER_04 50:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So wait, so now we're at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_03 50:13

And then Jimmy doesn't bring his sticks. Oh, I could have kicked his shit. He his movies, have you seen Jimmy's movies? I guess.

SPEAKER_04 50:20

No, but I mean.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

But anyway, after 13 Nightmares, basically what happens is um. Yeah, because Greg didn't know if we were just kicking a dead horse. He's just too smart for his own goddamn good. And that's where those fucking Einsteins are, dude. There's tortured motherfuckers, and that's why they sing like that. That's why they play like that. In the end, you can't trust them because they don't even know how good they are. You can't know, right? When you're that goddamn smart. And uh, and just a natural like that, that um there's a wonder why he'd started the the first punk folk stuff around here with his wife on keys and shit. Nobody was doing it.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:59

So they could so he did move on, but but he in the end, he admitted to Ingrid one night because they're such good buddies that like Ingrid. Ingrid, the fucking first booking agent for us. She booked her first Southeast Tours, man, for a couple weeks.

SPEAKER_04 51:15

Yeah, those people order pizza. They don't even know how cool she is, you know.

SPEAKER_03 51:19

Oh, and they don't give a shit about nothing.

SPEAKER_04 51:22

Uh so so then you and John and Heidi do 139, I mean uh Mercy Raw.

SPEAKER_03 51:28

Yeah, which I didn't even get a vote for the name. Like, what is that, John? You fucking guitar player. It is what it is now. No, which is cool because I I found out that it actually is great for John and Heidi because John I always say has the monster rip, MR. So Mercy Roll works, right? M R? Because he did, right? Because it sounded, you know, when we first started practicing without Greg, it just sounded like the nightmares anyway. Because they just played that hard all the time, anyway. And Heidi knows all about singing, you know, and she's a well-read motherfucker, to where she's just a natural, you know, second, third generation. And it's just cool to have chicks, man. I don't want to look at your eyes the whole goddamn time. Well, I fucking gouged my eyes out.

SPEAKER_04 52:12

I truly love that.

SPEAKER_03 52:12

And Heidi's just a boy, one of the boys, right? So that's why there was never this weird fucking bullshit. And they're the perfect married couple. Like, who the fuck wouldn't stay with them? They'll never break up. They'll just work, work, work, work, work, work. And they just still keep playing. I know with Paul. I know, that's so funny. Now, here's what's funny. I think John mentioned that it's probably he's probably played longer with Paul now as Jamasca than Mercer had.

SPEAKER_04 52:39

Yeah, because when Jamasca started, they had uh um. You got another cigarette or let me just say they got buzz in that one.

SPEAKER_03 52:45

Oh, that's right, they did. But then they got a couple other little jockboard college guys that were that they recorded with, I thought. Because they recorded a couple new songs that we were doing with them when I was kind of surfing your shit.

SPEAKER_04 52:58

I remember when they were looking for somebody, I kept telling Sean Ty you should, you know.

SPEAKER_03 53:02

But Ty never tried it? Now, did Ty try something with Horado again with the kind of a shortcut? But you said it wasn't really happening the first couple practices? Well, that thing pan out.

SPEAKER_04 53:12

Well, they have a Jericho Strays. Who's that? Is that the guitar guy?

SPEAKER_03 53:16

Oh, is that a guitar guy?

SPEAKER_04 53:18

Uh that's the band they're playing.

SPEAKER_03 53:20

What's it called again?

SPEAKER_04 53:21

Jericho Strays.

SPEAKER_03 53:22

See, that's a great fucking name, dude.

SPEAKER_04 53:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:26

And that's that's something you can use that.

SPEAKER_04 53:30

Gerardo writes the songs, they make them rock songs. Yeah, and he's like who's the shredding guy? Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 53:36

Is Charlie the bass player still?

SPEAKER_04 53:38

No, they don't have one? No, Pat Nichols is the bass bass player.

SPEAKER_03 53:41

Oh, Pat just moving over to bass? Because he's the guitar.

SPEAKER_04 53:44

No, Pat Nichols.

SPEAKER_03 53:45

Oh, who's that?

SPEAKER_04 53:45

He plays in some other bands, he's pretty brilliant. He uh he would play bass in the also he plays uh well he plays in some other bands, great, but uh he would play bass in the uh mascals when they needed uh when when Charlie tried to play when Charlie had to play guitar. Oh after after you know, there are certain points where you know uh Benji couldn't couldn't do it or you know. Oh really? Okay, I don't know. Or you know So he's probably just as great on guitar as he is on anything else. Charlie? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I think uh I think I remember uh I mean uh uh uh Benji telling me that you know uh Charlie taught him all the riffs for the Mescals when the when they started the Mescals and then you know. See, that is funny.

SPEAKER_03 54:35

See, I would have never guessed that because Benji's so fucking astronomical anyway.

SPEAKER_04 54:39

Well, you know, that he just took a you know just took him to another level. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean they had a couple good, I mean Mark Simpkins was That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 54:47

I saw the first version, the second version, really. I saw the first with just Tony. Yeah, the I saw I saw the back of it at Duffy's, right? I was outside the watching it. And then the second version is Simpkins and Deuce.

SPEAKER_04 55:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:00

And me and Jeff, I'm couch surfing in Lawrence for three or four months.

SPEAKER_04 55:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:05

Because Jeff secretly wants a frat boy cover band fucking drummer, apparently, which I told him, fuck you, homie. I just destroyed fucking Paris. I think I'm gonna play for these frat motherfuckers for a fucking price tag. And I did write a couple songs in Kansas, but mostly painted. Like your skull used to. I got that, yeah. Yeah, that's good. I thought about it the other night. Bye, baby! But I knew that you had a really that that little tiny black uh first Buffalo Acid Trip line art one was a tiny one that test burned. That was one of my still one of my favorite ones, even though I do that type of shit all the time. Now what else is going on?

SPEAKER_04 55:43

So we're at Mercy Rule.

SPEAKER_03 55:44

We're at Mercy Rule, and then I decide after all those years, because I am just still secretly jamming with my soner buddies.

SPEAKER_05 55:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:53

Because I never uh let nightmares or mercy rule know that because they were such a stringent, like, no, you don't play in other bands. The old the old school. The old school bit, yeah. Yeah, you don't play in play in three bands because you're in LA and you hope one pops and the other. You're a Ramon, you're a Ramon. Yeah, you're a Ramon, dude. You don't go sit there and suck fucking uh New York dolls, dick. You start Ron Wax. Yeah, and I get the name from the girlfriend because I'm not smart enough to come up with it. But I already came up with it for the poster company because of you. Wax paper press.

SPEAKER_04 56:28

Wax paper press.

SPEAKER_03 56:29

Even though it's not a press, I think that's what's funny. The press people like, well, that's not a press, that's the syrograph. Fuck yourself. But anyway, you're still pressing the goddamn squeegee bitch. That's why I figured it'd be okay, right? You know, but that's why it was almost called Plum Street Press, because we lived there so long, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Now you see the front yard of that? It's all concrete walled up. So I wonder if they dug up Max and found him there.

SPEAKER_04 56:52

Oh, I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 56:54

So then you moved in your then you just mercy rose is doing the third record, is you crush the shit out of him in Madison. And uh Smart Studios get a meet Clyde Stubblefield, shake his goddamn hand. And uh he's running some blues night at OK Corrale's in Wisconsin, Madison. It was like, you wanna meet the funky drummer? No shit, Sherlock. That was another Ryan, uh, the studio manager for fucking Smart Studio, who's a percussionist too. He looks like a beach bum, blonde, fucking buddy holly glasses, and uh he's played tambourine on YouTube records because he's a fucking percussionist, dude.

SPEAKER_04 57:32

Right on.

SPEAKER_03 57:33

So that's why he's asking me, because all my drum tracks are done. I'm just trying to finish that Frank Lloyd Wright painting for John. On the lake, there's the new one that he just built, and everything was fucking dimed. I had bowls of weed and I didn't smoke with the client because Ryan goes, if you got bowls, bring them because they'll smoke them with you. I was like, fuck, I only got two bowls left, I gotta save it for painting, so I didn't break it out, but they were whisking them off right after the gig. And I'm meeting him and shaking his hand. I tried to get a live drawing of him, they suck. He's kind of orchestrating this blues band, he's kind of on keyboards. Yeah. And it's really sad, kind of, cause a big kind of farm girl gets up to do this country thing, and they can't find a key that she can actually sing it in. And they're all trying to find it. You can just see him panic stricken, going, You gotta be shitting me, bitch. Jan's job line, you wave, baby. You look like her. She's hot as fuck. Mercy rule. Mercy rule. Ron Wax. Moving on. No, I decide to move and tell him I'm just gonna go out to New York for an art show and try to get one.

SPEAKER_04 58:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:34

Because I can't quit my fucking family band and say, dude, I'm gonna go out and take on New York with a guitar, and then Pat gets me in a goddamn couple bands that take seven years to get the fuck off my dick before I can do the Ron Wax show. It took seven years to do a Ron Wax set. I almost do it within the first couple months because Pat lines it up at Pete's Candy Store. They hip his little fucking David Lynch stage design little fucking hipster bar in Williamsburg. Some guy who's famous for the 20s shredding punk rock guy, right? He's a New York icon. Gets sick, was in the hospital. Pat gets the call that he can fill that game if he's got anybody. So me and him are both gonna do it, right?

SPEAKER_05 59:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:21

We go to Foacher's apartment that's right down the street to so Pat can practice whatever he knows on acoustic, right? And I'm just gonna get my whole Ron Wax set up going, the solo shit I did all the duffels before I left for Brooklyn. I'm thinking this is it, dude. This will be great. And we get there, I let Pat go first, because we've heard that the jazz guy's out of the hospital and wants his gig back. You fucking believe well, it's like Fishborne or I forget Harry something. And he's kind of this indie little white older guy who's just the 20s, you know, with the with the with a with a cut. Yeah, it don't, oh yes, it does. Because that's why I'm denied the first round wax gig. Because he shows up, Pat's doing his little strum along cassie shit, kind of dying. I might admit, Pat, you're watching it, you're dying like a dog on a fucking rug, bitch. And so what happens is uh, and he never dies on a rug like a dog. But uh in the end, I'm getting all my shit ready. So then the whole in this thing is no bigger than two or three of these tables, right? It looks like a fucking, looks like a little fucking coved little circus theater, right? It's just the creepiest, freaky shit. The hippos. So anyway, here's what happens. We gotta move on. Harry shows up and he gets a gig, and I have to strike all my shit and never play for another seven years. All right, keep going. So I joined the Liars, me and Pat get the call.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:49

That's the that's the first band in New York?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:52

No, we actually have the bricks gun, which was the Omaha guy that Hank Williams ghost of Hank Williams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The bricks Ben Fenner. I thought that band was gonna get famous.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:02

Because I figured out the Johnny Cash beat should be a thousand miles an hour, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:07

You backed up Connor on a show, right? In New York?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:11

Yeah, I did with Pat. Yeah, after the Lars got we got kicked out of Liars. Because and then we're playing a sold-out secret show at Knitting Back, and within a month, all the AR bitches are there from fucking mute records are freaking like, how does Pat and Ron do that? They get kicked out of a fucking hottest band in Brooklyn, and then they're playing with goddamn Bryas who just took over the universe. Well, yeah. And Hangus and Aaron, we're always so pissed that they just want to talk to us Nebraskans about it at the end of that career kind of because we cracked the door open as Nebraskans, but Connor takes the fucking hoop, and everybody's talking about fucking the Savannah, fucking the New Dylan of fucking Omaha.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:51

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:52

And we're going, fuck yeah, that's our homies, man. That's why they fucking kick your ass. You got the Midwest muscle, bitch. Why do you think the Liars kicked your ass?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:00

Lyers kind of. Oh, we destroyed it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:04

Yeah, well, yes, what Pat does. That's why uh your stunner buddies can take you to the top.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:10

Heck yeah. And then you move, then you still then you do Ron Wax out there for a while, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:16

Uh no. No, I moved back here after the Lyers. Well, I thought you were.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:22

What's your comedian buddy's name that we stayed with?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:24

Yeah, I don't do that until after I moved back out there.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:26

Oh, you moved back and then you moved back out.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:29

Yeah, because Pat goes, hey dude, I found two other guys. And he did. They were just fucking some Bosnian guy, guitar. What was that man's name?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:37

No things. No things. Oh my god, I can't believe I didn't remember no things.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:41

I think we talked to you out in the van here. And you were with your one cat poker guy and was taking off.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:47

But we fucking uh were hunting out in our van, I believe.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:51

That was a $600 band we did that first tour in. That basically was Pat's band he sold to Zimmerman because Zimmerman was booking out to Brooklyn too.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:01

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:01

And then Pat just put all his shit in there when Zimmerman wrote out there and he wrote out with Zimmerman.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:06

No, nice, nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then then we buy it back from him for the first Liar's band. And that's what we drive through that first fucking gutter punk tour all the way to the nation. And then I have to use a broomstick to fucking use the mirror because Pat wants to go to his girlfriend. We're dropping everybody off after three months of grinding horseshit.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:25

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:26

And uh Pat wants to go to his girlfriend's house, so I have to drop him off and then drive back on the BQE with no mirror, right? Where I'm just flopping mirror that you have to hold a broomstick. I barely made the last exit to Brooklyn. Oh, you literary fucks will get a joke out of that. But it literally did. I was so pissed at Pat going, leaving me. I don't have a license, I gotta drive the BQE. Sure, it's three o'clock in the morning, but fuck, dude. Yeah, you still gotta dodge every crackheaded fucking motherfucker in Brooklyn.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:56

Well, Ron, we're out of time. Yeah, I am too. But I got one more question for you. What's up? Someone comes in Nebraska, they're gonna take a vacation. They want to see Nebraska. Oh, sure. Where are you sending them? Away from Lincoln. Give me that lighter. Where to?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:11

Uh, I would go to, I can't even tell you because then everybody will go there and ruin it for me. I'd go to the Nibrara of the Sand Hills. Right on? Probably uh Dismal River, but I didn't say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I mean, come on, Dismal? I mean, I wanted to use that as a band name. Because that is fucking, that's pretty melancholy, dude. Dismal River? Took the kid there, the two girlfriends. And then the Brooklyn girl, we had to get off of the Dismal because it's like all the four-wheel drive, Bud Light fucking douchebags were there. Because they were rebuilding the main campground.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

And so we had to just keep trucking the Nibrera, which I didn't want to go to. And then it was ended up being great anyway. Oh, yeah. Because nobody was there. It was the end of September. Nobody's there. We just tried to paint and fucking smoke weed, I think. I don't know if I had any. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we hit a deer. I show her Snake Falls and we go up there, and I'd taken the kid and Sarah up there. I think the kid came with. I got recordings of me plunging into lagoons above the Snake Falls because there's always a raging river, rocks, and shit. You've probably been there, right? Diving in these little lagoons, we'd always go above the falls or behind it and shit. It's just that raging wall, and there's these little signs hand painted, you can tell. Beware of rattlesnakes. It was always so cool. And I think when I took Laura there, she has a camera and she just kind of wanders around. I think with the kid, I believe that I believe the kid and Laura was together for some reason. I know Sarah went up there with me and the kid once. Me and Sarah do it separately solo, and then we take the kid either the same year or the next year. To uh because I think we go to Shadron State Park, but we find that dismal river camps ground by you used to go to the Fire Tower. Yeah. That burned down, I guess, in the last 10 years. Do you know that? No. But it was been in the There's been a lot of parts of the world. But there's been it's right in the heart of that national forest that's Halsey or whatever. And you go down, you're going down back down to the main kind of where Dismal and the sandhills are at. You'll see these little weird rural road signs kind of on the inside curve, and I saw Road 11. I go, well, let's just take that. This is when me and Sarah found that first original campsite. And you just baja for about 20 minutes, like fucking ripped your tailpipe off coming out when we took the boil up there the next year. And it is and then you come upon this big huge sand dude right on this little river that looks like a tiny version of the flat or something. It's just a tiny little about this deep dismal river, it's gonna be snaking through that, hooking up with a loop or something. And you take that road 11, you go down, and there's a little campsite there, and you can go about 50 yards to the fucking dismal river, get in it, and there's a cow bridge that crosses this S-shaped channel that sweeps it out deep enough for a four or five deep water level, which and then the cow bridge is only about that much higher than the surface of the water. And you can just jump in there and swim, you know, it's oh, it's hotter and fuck. So you're jumping in there, swimming, all this shit, and then I end up doing a watercolor off that bridge, dropped my brown watercolor in the fucking curve. And I was like, God damn it, right? And then as I'm done with it, which the last thing I forgot to do was highlight some of the white of the sky in the water, and that would have been a great pain, but it wasn't. Because I forgot to do that. And uh and as I get done, the kids have been swimming and shit all around me and shit too. And after I'd been swimming too, I'm trying to rip off this pain real quick. And all these cows descend on us. It happens all the time. It just happened the other day. I fucking pioneers, I have a huge bowl looking over this cliff at me with seven or eight heifers. And I'm thinking this guy's just gonna gallop down the cliff and just gorge me to death because he's just looking at me. I'm like, what? At the Buffalo Swimming Hole where I did that art show, right? All those pieces. I just every once in a while I'll go hit it, you know? And it's all changed. And that rock that John bought the Buffalo Rock one, right? I think black and gold, at the Bella Show. And that whole rock was bigger than this table, right? And I called it Buffalo Rock because it looked like a buffalo laying down on the ground, that shape. And I would put like found bones of that lagoon because it was the kind of biggest lagoon, deepest thing to hang out with a kind of a strip of sand beach. That's that's the two pieces I gave to Dean.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:38

Was the toad and the I mean the uh garden spider and the frog. That's from the same beach. So I was there maybe a month ago, and every once in a while I'd pop back to that Haynes Branch Crick and just smoke try to draw something. We'll run. Yeah, I gotta go, dude. Yeah, we'll do this again. Yeah, yeah. And I won't go online because I gave up screen, so it's awesome. My life rules, dude. Yeah, brother. I just practice piano, dude. I'm destroying it, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:06

Right on, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:07

Here's what I say, dude. I don't need a band, I just prefer it.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:12

All right. I'm a man, you're talking to each other and young kids.