The Real Reason You Feel Stuck: Fear, Self-Doubt & Excuses | Steve Barton

Why do we stay stuck even when we know what we should do?

In this episode of From Drift to Direction, I sit down with executive coach and author Steve Barton, creator of The Game of Ten, to explore the thought patterns that quietly keep us from moving forward.

After more than 47 years in business — including helping grow a family business from $200,000 to more than $2 million in annual revenue — Steve discovered that achievement alone doesn't necessarily create confidence, peace of mind, or fulfillment.

We talk about fear, self-doubt, guilt, shame, overthinking, blame, and what Steve calls the “self-imposed prison” of excuses. We also explore why setting an intention matters, why you don't need to know exactly how you'll reach your goal before starting, and how greater awareness can change the way you approach both life and success.

In this conversation:

• Why successful people can still feel stuck
• How fear and self-doubt influence our decisions
• Why blame and excuses keep us from moving forward
• The difference between intention and simply drifting through life
• Why you don't need to have everything figured out before taking action
• Steve's Game of Ten framework
• The role of awareness, gratitude, and personal responsibility
• Why overthinking may be one of our biggest obstacles

If you're feeling stuck, questioning your direction, or waiting until you have everything figured out before making your next move, this conversation may help you see things differently.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

This people get stuck because they're not grateful for what they have. And they also blame other people for not having it. So not taking responsibility for um achieving something. So blame is a huge stuckness. It's the economy, it's AI, it's it's I'm too old, I'm I'm too young. You know, that's what stuck is. It's self-imposed prison in the matrix of excuses.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Welcome back to From Drift to Direction, the podcast where we explore the moments, mindset shifts, and lessons that help people move from feeling stuck to living with greater purpose, clarity, and intention. Today's guest is Steve Barton, executive coach, author, and creator of the Game of Ten, a framework designed to help leaders, entrepreneurs, and high achievers break free from fear, self-doubt, guilt, and shame so they can perform and live at a higher level. Steve brings over 47 years of business experience and helped grow a company from $200,000 to over $2 million in annual revenue. Along the way, he discovered something many successful people eventually realize. Achievement alone doesn't always bring peace of mind, confidence, or fulfillment. Today we'll talk about why so many people feel stuck despite knowing what they should do, how hidden thought patterns influence our decisions, and what it means to lead and live from a place of awareness rather than fear. Steve, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Peter, thank you so much for having me on your show. Uh listening to your podcast, and I uh I really admire what you're doing. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Thank you, Steve. My first question is before you became an executive coach, you spent decades helping grow a family business from $200,000 to $2 million in revenue. What did that journey teach you about success that most people don't realize?

SPEAKER_00 2:19

It's hard work. It's it's seven days a week. It's it's really getting the right people to work with you and for you. And it's a lot of hit or miss. You think you got it down and you don't. So it's not a um it's hit or miss. I just can't put it any of the way. You hire people, you think they're great, they're not. You hire someone who is not that great, they turned to be wonderful. So one thing I'm sure of, I don't know. Even at 69 years old, going on 69, going on 70, I still don't know. And I think the best part about life is going into it not knowing, and it's okay not to know. You do the best you can with the awareness you have. So we're all doing that, and I think a lot of things about uh executives, they so hard on themselves, and I used to be, but I give myself a break that I don't know. I I'm not afraid of being wrong, and I don't like to be wrong, but I'm not afraid of being wrong. So I love I love life. How's that?

SPEAKER_02 3:30

Right. Awesome. Yeah, I think many people don't realize that starting a business is easy, but building a business is actually a journey. It's a journey of a lot of obstacles, a lot of challenges. Uh, dealing with people also is something that I used to have a teacher in school, she used to say the human resource is the most unpredictable. You just never know what can go wrong with the person working for you. Um, so I think that's that's a great point.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

It was always my difficult uh challenge. Hiring the right people, and then as you said, life happens to these people. You know, you don't know because their lives affect the company as well as my life. It puts more work on me, pour more work on the other people, or they've we get don't have enough work and we have to let someone go. So it's really a it's really balancing it out. Business is so much like um interpersonal as well as extrapersonal. So yeah, there's that. It's a it's a dynamic business, it's not for the faint at heart, and you can't give up. You can't give up.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

Have you, when you started uh helping with the business, have you ever thought that it's gonna grow to $2 million? Because this is pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

Well, this was uh 30 years, 20 years ago now, 22 years ago now. Um, I had no idea. You know, I was I was um I started in the family business when I was eight years old. I'd go over to the flower shop, it was basically a babysitting place as well as a flower shop, and uh very small. My father, uh God love him, he passed away at 91 years old a couple years ago, and uh he started it from my grandfather who had a greenhouse, and and we had multidimensional, multi-multi-generational dysfunction. My grandfather was worse than my father, and my father was worse than me, you know, and so it's kind of and I hopefully I broke the pattern of uh being angry, being um unhealthy, but uh he did the best. They all did the best they can with the awareness they have. And so I got to see it all at a very young age, at eight years old, uh working in the greenhouse with my grandfather, and then having my father take over the greenhouse. Um, he had a nervous breakdown. He was working at a local paper mill here, Sappi paper, international paper, and and he took over the greenhouse, turned it into the flower shop, and we became top one. He took over FTD. He didn't take it over, but he he joined FTD. We became top 100 in the country for because Maine and Maine is such a people leave the state of Maine. So the mothers were leaving on on uh Mother's Day, Valentine's Day. So we became Maine was we were sending flowers to Florida, and uh, and we and it's a huge, it's a that's probably the most profitable part of a flower shop is sending. Receiving is the least profitable, sending is the most, and we were sending florists, and so we became top 100. I ended up being uh on the board of uh board of advisory board for the uh CEO of FTD, and uh because I said I was I think I'm gonna leave. They weren't really doing a great job. And said, Hold on a second, do you want to be on the advisory board with the CEO? I said, sure. And uh anyway.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

That's awesome. Have you always been uh uh drawn towards the business or uh the family business and building it helped you discover that in you?

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Um I love business. I went to business school. Um the family businesses are so unusual than most businesses because they're intimate and strategic, and you can't mix the two. And oftentimes someone's Johnny's getting more than I'm getting. And why is why is Sally getting a wet salary and she's not even working, you know? So that's well, she's her sister and she can't work, she's gonna raise her babies, you're working 70 hours a week. Yeah, so family businesses are unusual cats, that's what they are.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

In my country, they say don't start a business with a family or a friend because it's it's the most complicated relationship, and you can't really say a lot, you know, if the person is not doing their job.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Yep, yeah. You it's mixing intimacy with strategy, and friendships really aren't strategic.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

At what point did you become uh interested in mindset and psychology behind performance rather than just the business side?

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Well, great question because that was the big change. 13 years into the family business, I realized uh my my first wife, I have a first wife and a final wife. Now I have a girlfriend for hopefully as long as she wants to be with me. And we've been together nine years now, so I have a long-term relationship. And uh until they don't want to. I'm a lot, okay. Let me put it this way, Peter. I'm a lot to be around. So, and I love who I am, and I love I'm not gonna change that. I'm a lot, and it's oftentimes too much for many. So, 13 years into the family business, um, I had one, I had an employee who was going to therapy, and I was intrigued. I'm going, what's it like? And 33, that was 33 years ago. And I said, What's it like? Because just talk to someone. I said, okay. And 33 years ago in the US, or especially Maine, I don't know, if you you only went to therapy if you were unless you were you went there if you were crazy, okay? Or you got taken, you had to go for some reason. So I decided to go to therapy. And my first wife was uh worked at LL Bean, and a lot of the people in the C-suite were going to therapy, and they were from Harvard, Yale. I believe they could they were paying high salaries, and but they were working 80 hours a week, and so they were paying for their therapy. So I decided I said, find can you find and she was a VP of that she started at four to midnight.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

You work with uh high performers today. Um, what is the biggest challenge they have?

SPEAKER_00 10:05

The biggest challenge they have, other than AI taking over their job, or uh I think they have the challenges are they have fear, they have doubt, and then they have guilt and they have shame. And I call that the game often played versus the game of ten. And when you have no fear, no self-doubt, no guilt, no shame, AI won't take your job. Uh, you if you got fired, you say thank you to your boss. Because as we flow and we drift, God provides us. Um I'm I'm the least religious person that I know, okay? But I just know there's something out there that guides us. Okay. I don't know what it is, it's infinite. I know that. I don't know that, but I do know that. It's just something beyond our our uh awareness. It's it's our awareness, it's our consciousness, it's the web, it's the it's not the matrix, it's the web outside the matrix that frees us. The the freedom to the free will when aligned is amazing. The free will to be in the matrix is very confining.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

Very when you created the game of ten, what problems were you trying to solve when you built the the game?

SPEAKER_00 11:29

I don't know if I was trying to solve a problem, I was trying to figure stuff out. I didn't look at it as a problem, I looked at it as more of a I want to figure out the life, I want to figure out just life. I want to make it simple, I know it can be simple, everything in life can be simple. I want to make it simple, and so I think I've simplified it as simple as possible, and the only thing that can make it complicated is our ego. So I've learned how to use my ego, use my mind, use my body, use my thoughts, use my feelings, use my emotions, because they are amazing tools, and they're not separate from us, but they're part of us that we use. And most times in the game often played, which is part of the game of 10, one the game often played one through nine, most oftentimes in some aspect of our life, our emotions, our feelings, our thoughts, our body, our mind, uh are taking us over. And when they take us, when they take us over, it becomes an addiction. So I work with addiction people, uh, clients for addiction, been doing podcasts on addictions. It's really filling in what that's taken over. And and once that takes over, it's difficult to get it out, so you have to let it go. And that's where the concept of forgiveness comes in. Most people think that they have to forgive themselves or a person, place, or situation. Okay. And you have to forgive the thoughts that we have. So aware I coach awareness, and awareness is without thought. And when I say that, oh my god, what do you mean? You don't think? I said, Yep. And they go, I said, would you rather think or would you rather know? And they'd say, I'd rather know. I said, then let go of your thoughts. And you'll you'll be aligned with who we are. We're we're connected to consciousness. I I say our sixth sense is our common sense that we're all connected as one. And that's the I that's the definition of God. We are connect all connected as one. And it's basically proven in quantum physics. So to me, it's common sense. To others, my family, I'm crazy. So it's good, and that's and that's okay. And that's okay. They don't want to know, and I'm I'm so curious that yeah, and I have yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

You mentioned uh not to forgive anybody, not to forgive yourself, but to forgive the thought. What what do you mean by that? It's very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

I yeah, I think we are conditioned, our minds, the conditioned mind is filled with fear, self-doubt, guilt, and shame. Okay, you should do this, you should do that, you should believe in God, you should believe, you know, you gotta go to this, you gotta you gotta have you called your sister, have you done this? Have you called your mother? All the guilt, all the shame. You know, it's like, and so we're conditioned to be pleasers, we've been conditioned to do a good job, get it have a to have a good life, get a good job, get a good wife, get have a family, have all these things. And if you don't, then you know, you're disappointing. You're somewhat of a disappointment. You're not good enough, okay? That's normal. That's the game often played. So the game of tens based on is based on six phrases. Okay, look, let me get back to um forgiveness, uh, because that's important. That's the other half of the game of ten. We think that we have to forgive ourselves, we think we have to forgive our parents, we think we have to forgive the person that did horrible things to us, the person that just disappointed us. You know, we no, it's the thoughts that we put in our head using our free will that always comes at a cost in the game often played. And it's actually the stories we made up in our minds about what happened to us. So we have a thought, we attach an emotion to it, and then we create a story around it. And if it's negative, that we're not good enough, we don't have enough, we aren't enough, we're not doing the best we can. Oh my god, I I asked for this, oh my god, why you know why did this happen to me? Become the the villain, the victim, and the and the hero of it all. And so it's all ego. That's what the ego does. Right, it's it's a tool not meant to be used in that way. But when it is, it runs amok. It becomes a saboteur, it becomes the narcissist, it becomes the uh mind-made self, it becomes the saboteur, all these names becomes a devil within, you know, and so that's that's it. Right, that's what it is. It's our we created we you created yours, I created mine collectively, you all get together, we form a club, and it becomes a societal or a group. Yeah, right. So that's how that works.

SPEAKER_02 16:51

Okay, interesting. You talk about uh fear, self-doubt, guilt, shame. Which one of those you think holds people back the most?

SPEAKER_00 17:02

It's individualistic. You know, everyone, so in in the game often played, I in my presentations I do, uh I presented a Harvard Business School case study team, and I used a mixing board, a sound mixing board, uh, four categories: one through nine, fear, one through nine, self-doubt, one through nine, guilt, I did something bad, you did something bad, one through nine, shame, I'm bad, you are bad, one through nine. In that, there's six thousand five hundred and sixty-one options to live. Yeah. So in the matrix, most people don't get out of it because it's there's that many choices. What they don't realize is in the game of ten, when you let go of all four of those elements, is infinite choices, infinite possibilities. Whatever you dream, you can have. Will it take time? Yes. Will it take effort? Yes. Will it will it happen in your time? No. Can you but you that's where the flow is, right? And that's when you're drifting. When you're drifting, you're actually in flow. But most people say you gotta figure out something, you gotta do something. You know, haven't you done this? Have you called this person? You get upside forces like I'm flowing, I'm drifting. Don't you always drift to where you're supposed to be?

SPEAKER_02 18:31

Yeah, right. Drifting, I think, also is like what you mentioned, is drifting is productive. You are doing something, you're busy, you are thinking that you're achieving goals, um but at the same time you're just stuck.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

What if drifting is allowing the universe to take care of you and to end up at a spot you're supposed to be?

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

Maybe a different way of looking at it. But maybe drifting is when you let go. I hear what you're saying because a lot of people drift their whole life and don't accomplish anything. That's that's reckless. But if you set your here's what I look at we are intentional, intuitive, energetic, aka spiritual beings having a physical experience. You have to set your intentions, those are goals, okay? And at the level of 10, you get them 100% of the time. At the level of three, you get them 30% of the time. So you want to get to 10 of you are love, everyone's love, everyone's doing the best they can with the awareness they have, everyone's always right with the awareness they have, everyone is enough, does enough, and has enough. And when you're in that alignment, when you're drifting, you're going to the place you're supposed to be. So I do hear what you're saying. What you're saying is absolutely right when you're not intentional about it. So being la and sitting back saying, yeah, I'm letting the universe take care of it. You'd better set your intentions and be clear with them because you're going to get them. If you have no intentions, guess what? You're going to end up nowhere in the middle of the ocean, right? But if you set your intentions, you're going to end up up in Singapore and you're going to develop it, okay, to what it is today. You know, so that person had intentions. You developed an island who became a genius who developed it mega corporate corporate uh international community. Right. So, yeah, so that's the difference between drifting and setting intention. So you have to be you do have to be intentional. Have a dream.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

That's something too very important is that we can let the universe do the job, but you are the one to set the intention, you are the one to do the work. Like people cannot just expect to sit back home and things will happen for them. You have to do the job, you need to know what you want from life. What's your goal, where you're going, and then things will happen.

SPEAKER_00 21:09

Yes, yes, 100%. So sitting back watching video games, right? Life will go past you, and you'll be your life will be over, and you'll have been maybe won a few championships on video games. Who knows? But it's you gotta set you've got to you know, the key is we're here to serve. We're here, we're here, we're actually here to recreate and recreate, play, and heaven on earth. And what do you want your heaven to be? Okay, it's not gonna come to you. It will when you set your intentions and say, This is who I'm my this is who I am, not right now, but this is where I have the space. So a lot of times, you know, I'm I'm going, I'm a billionaire, okay? Well. Well, fine. State did you have the space for that? All right. Do you have the staff for that? Do you have the financial back advisors to have a billion? Someone dropped a billion dollars on you. They statistically, most megabucks Powerball winners lose it within five years because they don't have any knowledge on how to manage money. Money requires financial literacy. And most people who run these don't have it and they lose it because there's someone out there to take it. If you got it, there's always someone out there to take it. And uh so you have to have the space for it, and you also have to have the the wisdom and the knowledge to manage it too. You know, oh, I want to have a billion-dollar company. Well, you do you have any uh business background management background? Do you have any uh capital um background? Do you have any what's your what's your knowledge? I don't have any, but you better get it, okay?

SPEAKER_02 22:59

Because if you get the money, someone's gonna take it from you who does have it, but also something also with the intention is that you need to set the intention, but you don't need to know how you're gonna get there. You know, once you start having that goal defined, that's when you start seeing the opportunities around you. Because many people think that you need to have everything planned. No, it doesn't work that way. This is life, things will happen. So you have to set the goal.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

And there's really no such thing as a one-hit wonder because they worked probably 30 years to get that song that's still around 60 years later, that's still stuck in your head. I love that song. Well, they were one-hit wonder. They probably worked 20, 30 years to get that one hit, and that's huge.

SPEAKER_02 23:54

Right, right. There are a lot of people that they know they should do, but they never really take uh action. Why do you think people are stuck?

SPEAKER_00 24:03

Um, there's people get stuck because they're not grateful for what they have, and they also blame other people for not having it. So not taking responsibility for um achieving something, so blame is a huge stuckness. It's the economy, it's AI, it's it's I'm too old, I'm I'm too young. You know, that's what stuck is. It's self-imposed prison in the matrix of excuses. And and then you have complaining, top on that, top on complaining, which is a grievance against what is. So it's it's it's complicated and self-imposed prison. That's what stuckness is.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

That's what stuckness is, that's very powerful. If you could sit down with younger Steve, who was building that business from 200,000 to 2 million dollars, what advice would you give him?

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Um, laugh your ass off all the way. Laugh. Or be quiet. Don't let them know you're laughing inside with them. Okay. And I just, you know, I laugh all the time, every day. And I'm if I'm not laughing inside, I'm laughing outside with somebody. I don't laugh at people, I laugh with them. And I'm just always just happy. It's a commitment I've had since I was 36 years old. I've not been a day that's not been happy. And I've gone through a lot of stuff. But I know it's always bringing me to where I'm supposed to be. And it's not always easy. But if you go through it being happy, you've then you're gonna be chances are you're gonna be healthy. Chances are you're gonna be wealthy, chances are you're gonna be healed, chances are you're gonna be whole. And if you go through happiness is a major component in life and choose happiness, don't let anyone allow them to take it from you. Victor Frankel, my favorite book, Man Search for Meaning, is to just know that you are love, know that you are aspects of a divine source that is happy, healthy, abundant, healed, and whole. No, it's our divine right. Ten in the game of ten is our divine right. That's the only right that we have, the rest is up to society and uh the rules and whatever they come up with. But I'm already laugh, and I laugh all the time.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

Yeah, definitely. You coach a lot of uh executives. Um uh if there's anybody listening that is um having uh is struggling or it's having doubts, self-doubts or fears, what is one one thing you would give them as an advice, one piece of advice?

SPEAKER_00 27:04

Phrases. They are ten. I am ten. I'm doing I'm doing the best that we're gonna do it together, Peter. You're saying that you are awareness, you're connected to source energy. Okay, I am 10.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

I am 10.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Yes, you are. I'm always right with the awareness that I have.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

I'm always right.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

I am enough. I do enough.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

I am enough. I have enough. I do enough, I have enough.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

If your audience says that five times a day, they will be connected to who they are, and then start asking. You know, every thought is a prayer. People go to church to pray. I pray every second of every day just by thinking, being, doing, and having, because we get everything we think, be, do, and have. And people don't understand that. So that's what I'm gonna give you an audience tonight. It's so simple, it's just not easy because we've been can we've had it conditioned out of us, and it's been done very, very well by society, by parenting, by but it's just been done. And we can the good news is we can undo it, and those phrases will help you undo it, and then let go of any thoughts that come up that are less than those phrases. Let them go, give them to use your religion, use your practice, use whatever you choose. I have mine, and um just forgive. Let and we forgive the thoughts that are less than 10. Let them go. They're not real. Know that. So that's what I'm gonna leave your audience with. Hazan.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

Wow, this is this is powerful. I already felt that burst of energy, you know, with uh saying, repeating the words.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

You connect to source energy. That's what you do, and not I don't even like the word spiritual. It's like it's been so tainted in me. So it's just who we are. We connect to who we are, we connect to each other, we connect to we connect, and that's that's the most powerful thing in life is connecting to others and ourselves and to a bigger source energy, the earth, everything, you know, nature. It's that's how we connect. Get rid of the thoughts, prevent us from connecting to it. So use your thoughts before they use you. And Echo Tolli, my favorite thing he said was the biggest addiction we have in this world is overthinking. Right.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

Yeah, it's true. When you hear the phrase from drift to direction, what does it mean for you personally?

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Getting back to source. When you leave source, we have free will to leave and you drift, you have to, and it's a really difficult drifting, no direction, currents that you have no control over, and it's it's drifting in not in a good way, you know, right versus it's not the flow, going it's not going with the flow. This is also drifting, but you want to go with the flow, right? That's in that in heading to you to that big, big, audacious goal you set, that's where you want to be, and there's no obstacles in the way. So there's a difference in drifting intentionally and drifting recklessly. And I think a lot of people drift recklessly. So find your find your peace within, accept yourself. You people often go, I'm gonna love myself. Well, you Echo Tolley says this. If I asked my cat, do you love yourself? He'd say, What are you mad? Because I am myself, be yourself, right? So don't try to love yourself because you can't. You are love, you aren't gonna get there, you won't be happy when you're happy now. And if you're miserable, you're happy being miserable. So admit it and just get over it. Because most people don't want to admit that they are happy being having fear, self-doubt, guilt, and shame. I'm happy. If you once they admit that, they can move forward, right? But they have to admit it first, much like with every problem, you know, whether they're addicted to anything, admit you're addicted to it. So what? Get over it, okay, and stop it, or continue and just own it. So it's that's the first thing.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

Admit it.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

And and if you like doing it, continue doing it. If it's if this is what you want in your life, do it. Okay, do it intentionally. If you're gonna screw up your life, do it intentionally. But who wants to do it? You know, most oftentimes they won't, because who does want that? So, but if they saw how ridiculous it was, they usually have guilt and shame around it, so they can't even acknowledge it. I can't even acknowledge, no, I can't admit that. It's my secret. My secret obsession that I have that I have that runs my life, that I can't tell anyone. So that's what an addict.

unknown 32:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

Right. For uh for anyone uh who connected with your message, uh, what is uh the best way that they can uh learn more about your work, about the game of 10, your uh upcoming book?

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Um my website's uh www.stevebartonbarton coaching.com. Uh you can download my first book, The Father, the Son, and the Aha Moment. I wrote it with my 18-year-old son at the time. He's still my son, but at the time he was 18 years old. And we actually wrote it with Marianne Williamson. She was my coach. I she was she didn't write it with me, but every week we met with her. So during the best thing about COVID was I get to hang out with Marianne Williamson. I don't know if you know who she is, but amazing woman and uh 13 times New uh author, nine, I think seven times New York Times bestseller, ran for president twice. Um just amazing woman in U.S. I don't know where you're located. You're in Miami, that's right. So she ran for president. So we have we have a different political album. I love her as a person. Um anyway, uh, and also on LinkedIn, and um that's where it's that's where I focus in my time. I had another podcast who said, Are you on uh Substack? I said, No. She goes, Why not? I said because I have boundaries. I need to have boundaries. I'm really holding she laughed, I need more boundaries. I know what I can handle, I know what I enjoy doing, and I want to just really enjoy life. And uh there's uh I'm a lot, but sometimes too much is too much, and even for me. So, anyways, thank you so much, Peter, for having me on. It was fun.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining today and for sharing your uh experience and your wisdom uh with us. Thank you so much. What I enjoy the most about this conversation is the reminder that success isn't just about what we achieve externally, it's also about understanding ourselves, becoming more aware of what's driving our thoughts and decisions, and learning how to move through life with greater clarity and intention. To everyone listening, if you found value in today's episode, please share it with someone who may be struggling with self doubt, overthinking, or feeling stuck in life. Sometimes a single conversation can create the awareness needed to start moving in a new direction. Thank you for listening, and we'll see you in the next episode.