EP3 - Ryion Pun: Slowing Down During Chaos and Fear

In this 3rd Episode of Awakened Purpose, Bosco and Ryion explores the role of fear in our lives and how we can recognise and accept these negative energies so we can start living from our higher self.  Towards the end of the episode, the importance of slowing down and healthy competition is also discussed.

Timestamps:
00:48 - Global Fires
05:01 - Primal Fear
08:17 - Cockroaches
10:45 - Fearful Love
14:54 - The Actual Fear
17:52 - Media & News
20:08 - Trust the Detox
22:51 - Playing the Game
28:05 - Slowing Time
30:05 - Abundant Mind
33:56 - Big Life Experiences
36:11 - Competitive Collaboration
42:43 - Slowing Down
46:39 - Interdependence
55:24 - Heart Intelligence
01:03:48 - Vulnerability
01:06:15 - Takeaways

Episode Resources:

https://www.ryionpun.com/
https://www.instagram.com/ryionpun/
https://www.instagram.com/bos.yiu/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR3-JJB-BHs&t=46s&pp=0gcJCdMKAYcqIYzv

Listen to the show:
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2mmLJgSiJyC28wTHS5cdrZ?si=cf2a5bcb92c84101
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/awakened-diaries/id1894974254?l=en-GB&i=1000762504595

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Oh my god, we gotta start panicking, the world is collapsing, the earth is dying, and things like that. So, how do we collectively prepare ourselves to you know face future chaotic events during this transition period?

SPEAKER_03 0:11

The only things to to get ourselves out of this fear is really to I call it you lean in. What do I do with my life? I lost everything, I lost my house, I lost my loved ones. What is life? My aunt, like she doesn't kill anything in her house, including cockroaches. And I look at the cockroach and say, You are so cute. You're very cute, you're very cute. You're not gonna harm me. But actually, they really don't harm you because you know if you put your hand close to it, they run away, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Ryan, the other day I was watching a YouTube video on one of the older fires that we had, and like the fireman was non-stop spraying water at the fire, and then the fire just wouldn't go off. And that shocked me, you know, like that made me wonder whether or not there was something deeper in that. Like, why, like theoretically, in science, the fire is supposed to distinguish after you spray water on it for a while, but then it it was still there and it was really strong as well. So, what is your opinion? What is your take on this?

SPEAKER_03 1:21

Yeah, I mean, first of all, I think the you know tragedy in Hong Kong uh of the fire in Taipo, you know, like uh causing 150 plus life, uh as of today. Right, and it is uh very, very strange in many ways. I would agree with you, right, from your um observation, right? Like, yes, there on from a surface there's a lot of uh mistake going on that you know, like you can see it on the news, but deeper it is, we are moving into period nine of a fire element where fire uh is more permanent, it's more is a much stronger element, take kind of take the leading uh role uh in everything that we do. Right. And at this time, it just feels like that they it really showing us like watch out, people, right? This is the beginning of it, right? And really be careful and what we do, like how we think. Like, and I think that this big tragedy in what uh how I feel is like a huge wake-up call. All right, like it's not only it's more like a awakened type of wake-up call, it's not just a wake-up call that hey, you know, what can we improve in the process? Yes, that definitely there's a lot going on there, but it's also a wake-up call if how we feel about our emotions, right? I think everyone takes those, like watching those scenes over and over again, like watching the interviews of the survivors, right, and uh and seeing how the firefighters and the uh respond team, right? We have a lot like of emotion comes up, right? And all these emotions are information for us, right? And sometimes we just brush it away and turn it into anger, right, or turn it into something, and just kind of like try to bring something external where those emotions now is the best time to go inward to kind of like untangle each emotion, and and how does that emotion teach us about ourselves, about our values, our our thinking, our about how our view of the world, right? And how can we neutralize all of this, right? So I think that is how I see the much deeper message of this um fire and and uh non-stop, like how how it goes so fast and everything. I think that is very important to use all this triggering emotion um as our teachers um to learn about our own hours.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Yeah. I think this this ties really well with like the initial concepts that we were trying to explore in this podcast, which is fear, right? Like a lot of people they feel fearful whenever they watch these news happen, like if no matter if it's like environmental collapse or if it's something else breaking down, like we can see so many changes are happening as we transition to 2026, and we're only really in the beginning of the year. So could we just break down like what is fear in general and why we actually even like feel it?

SPEAKER_03 4:54

That's a big question. I can fix it, and and it's a very important question, right? From a prime role like human being, I fear is very like we all have fear since we were young, like, or even if you think about our ancestors, right? Where does fear come from when you're in the forest, right? When someone chases after us, right? And then then or like a lion chased after us, right? We have fear for our life, and therefore, right, we react in certain ways. So we go kill the animals, right to protect ourselves and protect our family, right? That's the fear, the original, original fear, right? If you think about it, it's come from um survival. Survival, exactly, and the survival, why do we have that survival instinct? Because we fear of death, right? And that fear, like now, like it kind of goes deep into our system and our DNA and translate to the modern world where very rare, right? If most of us that live in the city, we won't really have lions chasing after us. So then what do we change our fear to? We fear the cockroach, we fear of the rat, like little little animals actually, um, and insects. Somehow the survival instinct like built inside us that become a thing, even though it's not life-threatening. You see why you see why I'm getting there. So then if you were to go one step further, then the fear in a way is become an illusion of something that actually just might not happen. Like the survival instinct is unnecessary because we are not dying, right? Like then now we fear that someone's gonna scold us, like you know, like on creation, then I I would actually categorize fear if most of the time it's become this just an illusion. There's something playing in our head that we think it is life-threatening, and therefore we fear, right? And if we can actually step back and it's like, wait a minute, why am I afraid? Right? So why am I afraid of failing, I say the opposite of afraid of failing, then might be because I love something so much, right? I have because I love my parents, so I don't want to disappoint them, so I'm afraid to fail. That is an example, right? So then then if you really and then you go down that path and it's oh wait a minute, so actually I'm not afraid to fail. I actually just because I love my parents, I want them to be happy, right? So there is certain things about fear that we can start to see what is going on and what is the true reason behind the fear, and can we actually have a different story about our fear? Right? Of course, right? Some people like as we you know, afraid of cockroach, for example. Right? So those fear are more instinct, like, and and and it's not like because I love certain things, but those types of fear a lot of the time is um how we grew up that it's a almost like a collective agreement that cockroaches bad and I should be afraid of it. Again, it might not be your original fear, it's just because everyone is afraid of it, so we decided to okay, I would you know, I would scream as well, right? So just to be collective. Uh um uh but have you actually and I did that because it's like one thing is very interesting. And my aunt, like she doesn't kill anything in her house, including cockroach, right? So we coexist with them. So whenever I go to her house, like there will be cockroach walking onto her like desk, like on the dining table. And we're you know, we're opposite, like we're sitting opposite of each other, but at first, like we was like, ah, cockroach. And then she's like, no, don't kill it, don't touch it. They are they they do no harm. So I end up having actually really sit there and I look at the cockroach and say, You are so cute. And you keep saying, You're very cute, you're very cute, you're not gonna harm me. But actually, they really don't harm you because you know if you put your hand close to it, they run away, anyways. And I somehow recondition myself, then now I see the cockroach and say, You're so cute. They say hello, I say hi to it. So my point here is that, like, and this is my real experience, but my point really is that any fear, right, we a lot of the time we don't think about why we react to it, but if we actually sit down and force ourselves to face the fear, we actually can you know overcome just by thinking it differently.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Yeah. It seems like it's more important to just be aware of like why you have that fear and the roots of that fear, and you bring up the point on two types of fear, which is instinct and collective fear, which is conditioned in you, and also fear because of love. So, yeah, can we dive deeper into like how someone can differentiate whether it is one or the other? Like, is there like a particular like process or do you have like particular feelings that you've gone through with this?

SPEAKER_03 10:56

Yeah, yeah. I would actually like if it's from a process perspective, it's definitely easier to go through the you know, I I would say first see if that is um root reason which is love related, right? Then if not, then maybe it's instinct, right? Because like for any fear, if kind of using my example earlier, I fear that I fail my test. And for example, and and that, like, and and I was like, okay, why do I have that fear? Right, and if you go down that path, right? Some like uh usually it's like, oh, because I'm not gonna get a good job or like I can't go into the university, um, and and why? Why why that is scary? Oh, because then I don't I I if I can't and I don't make good money, right? And I cannot take care of my parents, and then it's like and then why is that worry? So oh then then I will you know disappoint at my parents. You see, so it kind of easily uh once you go down that path, you kind of go back to oh, so why you feel disappointed of your parents uh disappointed your parents? Because you love them, isn't it? So it's like okay, so that one like scenario, like it can easily easily kind of like if you go deep enough, you might you probably will chase back to something that you love, right? Even though if you fear to losing something, right? You lose my your favorite, you just got your iPhone 17, and you're afraid to lose it, right? Oh right, because at the end of the day, is that it's so important to you, that's why you're afraid to lose it. You might not I would might not say I you love your iPhone, but it's important to you, right? And that's something that is important, that is whole value in your life, and you're afraid to lose it, and that's the fear again, right? So there is always the flip side of fear, it's something that you you whole values of, right? Whether it's love or something that's important to you, right? So if you go down that path and nothing happened, right? It's like, oh that's not it, and then you bring back and then use the cockroach case for the example, right? Like there's no way you can think of it because I love it and therefore I fear it. And then that's most likely, right? There's nothing that's like, okay, then you fall into the second camp, which is probably like an instinct or just like social, like, and you can read, like, okay, yeah, since I was young, everyone said, Don't touch it, like it's it's dirty. Like you have to wash your dishes because you know you crawl over it. So we just like have this like conditioning, thinking that that is bad. And so you can also start saying, oh, okay, yeah, now I understand why I'm afraid of it. So it's just true that it's very dirty, and it's just true that it really harmless. So, like, and and what what would be the worst case that could happen to us if they climb onto my hand? Right. I think when I said that, it's probably people is already goosebumm and run away. Right, but that is the point though. That those those reactions is a conditioning, right? So can we recondition ourselves? That's up to us, right? So I gave you the example of um being in my aunt's house that I have to, I didn't have a choice but recondition it uh uh my my own fear uh of cockroach. So yeah, so that that that's kind of how I I can I see the like I would go through the love um uh deep dive, and then if the deep dive over there don't you don't find anything, then you see you go through the conditioning deep dive.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

Yeah, that's so interesting because like on your example on the cockroach one, like a lot of the time a lot of people they don't actually fear the cockroach, but then they fear the consequences of having a cockroach on their hand or on their body, but then because like they think that it's going to bring them a lot of pain or it does some kind of harm, right? But then I guess like once you flip that around and you actually see that there's actually no harm with all of these like insects in general, these animal life, then yeah, that can kind of re-re-condition your fear as well. Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 15:22

And I and and I was like asking my aunt, right? It's like why like why why won't you like afraid of them? I was like, no, they are just uh they are also sentient beings, they have feelings, you know, then they are here. Like they if you think about cockroach is one of the strongest, um, almost the most resilient um insects on earth. And if and I actually did uh Google and then you can you know ChatGPT too, like if you actually find like what are the good characteristics like the the of a cockroach, you'd actually find it wow, they actually are teachers, they are our teachers, like I how resilient they are, and then when you actually start to understand them, understand their way of living, you start to appreciate them, right? And and it's funny now that like if we like that's cockroach, right? Same for you know other animals, but same with people, right? Isn't that in as human, we very easily judge people like, oh I don't like this person, I'm afraid of this person, this person might you know they look scary because they have full of tattoos, right? Like there is all this like conditioning fear that is so untrue, and you realize that once you get to know that person, that insect, that animal, you realize they're the beautiful side of them, and all of a sudden the fear goes away. And that's how I think that we um as we continue to awaken, continue to raise our consciousness, that becomes very important to be aware of our conditioning, right, and to be aware of the social norm that is no longer that's no longer service, that we can rewrite the script by fully understanding what that thing, what that person, what that concept really is, and that's applied to everything small being, insect, human, even like a dog, a culture, a philosophy, everything and tying this back to like the point on a lot of things collapsing, like no matter if it's like having a fire or if it's another chaotic event, like you know, aliens coming in.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

I think a lot of the time we like looking at social media a lot, and I think social media does generate a lot of fear because all of these different like news outlets and all these different people are saying, Oh oh my god, we gotta start panicking, the world is collapsing, the earth is dying, and things like that. So, how do we how do we collectively prepare ourselves to you know face future chaotic events during this transition period?

SPEAKER_03 18:25

Yeah, as an awakened being, first step, get off the news, get off as much social media as possible. And the reason is like social media is good and bad. I would say that news is mostly bad nowadays because it was designed to drive fear in us, because fear um is how our natural reaction, and that's how they get eyeballs, they get views. So as a commercial outlet, news is no longer something that is pure um for us to consume, especially the mainstream news. So I would say get off news, that is very, very important. Um doesn't mean that you become ignorant about the world, but has to be very mindful of what how to curate your um information outlet. So that's first. So but not just the mainstream uh news. Um so that's number one. Right. Then what we need to do next, right, is on the social media size also to really um be clear about like okay, what um like it's not even like it's so it's it's so hard now, right? Be with AI and everything, and and it's just hard to tell what's true, what's real, what's opinion, etc. Right. So the way I do it, actually, I think it's easier this way. The way I do it is like, okay, I know there is a fire. Um, I know roughly what's going on, but then everything else I just kind of shut it off. Right. Although like even I myself will get into a trap of sometimes you scroll like like two minutes too long of scrolling, that it already I can see like I'm polluting like uh my the pure information right until I aware two minutes later, okay, I'm still scrolling, I need to get off. Right. So I myself also sucked into that. Yeah, but I think getting off the news outlets and the social media is so important nowadays, right? To get the basic know what's going on, and trust yourself actually is like the other thing that is if the news is important to you, it will come to you. You don't actually have to really seek for it. And and and and news has just become like a uh is uh is uh addiction to watching negative, it's watching fear-based stuff, is uh an addiction that is built inside us because how negative is just how we are conditioned. So unconditioning that, like unlearn that part uh is to remove all of them so you become very clean, it's like a full detox information detox, and then from that you get the basic information and then you go back to okay, how do I feel? So you spend more time to be aware of your feeling, I expand and then what what can you learn from your own feelings? And yeah, and that's I think how is the really good first step um to uh kind of remove yourself from all the what's going on out there, right? Because out there In a lot of ways, if we bring Buddhism and like a lot of like uh Eastern philosophy, right, out there is illusion. But it's real, right? It's as real because we can feel it, right? But it's uh is a it's an illusion that we can brief, but the feeling is real, right? But also understanding that all this illusion, why is it happening collectively, there is because these are lessons for us to learn. The way I put it is like a video game. You know, if you think of a video game, and so it was already designed to have uh certain challenges for the avatar, right? So we are the avatar. We go and we play the game, right? And we really we feel everything, right? We're in the game, we're playing it, and then there is a situation, okay, there's a fire, there is a there is a collapse going on, what's going on, right? But each of these events in the game, they already programmed multiple scenarios, isn't it? If you win, if you can beat this monster, right, this is one scenario. If you cannot beat this monster, you lose, then that is another scenario, isn't it? That's how games like video games work. The game designers have already designed multiple scenarios depending on you know how how you play your game. We as an avatar, we do our best to play the best game. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. Right? So then the news, right, and everything out there basically, oh, one some one person says the opinions that this is what is going to happen to the world, right? And then um player B say no, like that will happen, what will happen to the world. And then they have a debate, right? And then the thing is like there's nothing to debate because if you go back to the game system, both are possible. Right? It's all about how we play the game, and how I, Ryan, play the game, and how Bosco, you play the game might be different, right? So we might have a different result, even though we are playing the same game. So therefore, it's very, very important. That's why if we keep listening to if I am playing my character, but I keep listening to Bosco channels, that your character is like how your view are, right? So then if it's different, then I kind of like suck into the other part of it, right? So so that is kind of what is like how I see, right, like for all everything that is going on and also all this possible outcome, right? And we step back, that's it. Like a video game is a very good analogy to think how how we can think things in a kind of like multi-dimensional perspective. That yes, you're right, you are right, you're right. Actually, all of you are right, but I'm right too. And I have the rights to say that all of my journey might be different from all of you, and that is okay too. With that, right, then your your fear will not like you don't have the fear to say, oh, I'm not belonging to this. I I I I I don't I want to belong to some part, right? That's another like major uh fear, I don't feel belonging, right? But but it's like you don't have to, right? Because we all might have a different path and different outcome.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Yeah. Well, this is very interesting, like the point where you talked about trusting like the universe to give you all of the information. Actually, like when I think back to how I even knew about the fire, it was actually really funny because I'm not a news person, so I I literally have like zero intake of social media news, like just completely cut. And then the first time someone mentioned the fire to me, I thought it was just like a normal fire, and it was only after, like several days later, like another person mentioned the fire, and then someone else also did it. I was like, Oh, maybe this is something bigger than what I thought, and then I searched it up. So it's just like fascinating how like if anything important is here, then it will automatically come to you, like you don't really need to go look for it. It's like it's like just natural, right? Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

And and and that natural news that comes to you because it is important in some way. And for me, I'm saying I'm the same way, I don't watch news. And how the how the um news came to me was like that was like so every Wednesday I have a uh meditation meditation um session at night. And it was that morning, or like uh no, not even that morning, because it was a Wednesday, and the the fire happened on Wednesday. So it was probably in the evening time. The one of um one of my friends um called text me right and say, Hey, for can we do something like do a prayer for the victims tonight? And I was like, What victims? And then she's like, Did you watch the news? And that's how I watch the news as well.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Yeah. Um like with this whole like fear concept, like one thing I've noticed is like once I stop fearing a lot and just start like just living in general, you know, just actually accumulating like life experiences and stop like focusing on external events, like I find that time also passed by really slowly. I don't know if that's something that happens with you as well, but like you know, like a lot of people when we ask them, like, how's your month been? And they're like, Oh my god, it's already it's already one month, like it's already like you know, 10 years have passed, right? But I feel like for me, like if you ask me like last month where I've been, it's like such a long recap of like different things that you've been doing every day, and I think is that something that you also face?

SPEAKER_03 28:20

Yeah, I think it is that because what you're experiencing is you're consciously living your life, so you can recount your life very clearly, right? And of course, if you're uh the more conscious moments you're in, right, the more it's like, wow, actually, I did a lot of stuff, right? I did a lot of meaningful things that is important to my life. Um, versus if we stay in a fear-based um kind of mode, then you kind of like you just keep going through it, you scroll, you scroll all of a sudden 30 minutes, it's gone, right? And then you talk to your friends about the same thing, another two hours gone, right? And then all of a sudden, after 30 days, it's like, wait a minute. Or I I'm fully consumed by some fear, and therefore I didn't do much, and it feels like time fried, isn't it? So that like logically like makes sense that would happen.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

Yeah, and with regarding to another way to approach fear, I think you mentioned something really interesting in your book, and also to me before, which is gratitude, which is something that I started practicing, just giving gratitude to what you have every single day, and just understanding that a lot of people have it like worse than you, and really you're a really lucky person like in this world. So the opposite of fear is abundance, right? So, what does like an abundant mind look like?

SPEAKER_03 30:02

Yeah, it's you know, like abundance is important, and and but I think that I want to go from a more compassionate way to think about this first, right? Because if and no, I we continue to use the you know fire as kind of a backdrop because it's in our you know, it's very much in our field right now. If you are the survivor that lost someone in this situation, it would be very, very hard to say go have gratitude, right? Go have abundance mindset at that moment. But actually, but at the same time, there the gratitude will start coming very quickly, right? Because you can also see right the survivors like at knowing there is a lot of people, the support that's pouring into the community, um, the firefighter that's fighting in and out for days. Um so there's there gratitude maybe, yeah, someday. Right? And then but then also anger starts to come in. Like fear, like anger of like why this happened to me, right? This can be avoided, right? Um fear comes in. What do I do with my life? Right. There's I lost everything, I lost my house, um, I lost my um loved ones. What is life means to me? So it's not like we have to run away from fear and and suppress it and say, no, now I need to be abundant. That's not possible. It's always in you. Yeah, like and and it's so real, like you can it is so real at this moment, right? So the thing is that the only things to to get ourselves out of this fear is really to I call it you lean in to the fear instead of running away from it and run toward it. It's like, okay, fear. You are here, you are my teacher now. What am I here to learn? What is my life lesson? What do I need to learn from this? How do I please help me?

unknown 32:24

Right?

SPEAKER_03 32:25

Like, if there is a god called fear, actually there is, right? If you look at like um um you know a lot of the archetype in um in different religions, like they they have a very fierce, like a is uh angry, it's like very scary looking um architects and like temples, exactly, right? Why? Because there is a reason that we need to face it has not. Lean into that fear, and instead of like that is very scary, I turn this fear into an archetype, almost like a god-like archetype, and say, Okay, fear, teach me, tell me what I'm here to learn. How can I transcend myself? Why this is so painful? What is this pain do for me? What am I here? Right? So, this is how I think um we need to go through with the fear to live with the fear and transcend the fear by going deep with it. And not saying that that is against me, you know that this fear is for me.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

Yeah, because a lot of the times, like these big life events, they must have some kind of learning or there must be some kind of meaning to it, or else why would it happen to you?

SPEAKER_03 33:57

Right, right. It's not a unfortunate, right? It is unfortunate, right? But deeper it is not just unfortunate, because this unfortunate is a fortune, is a gift, is a bigger test for us to be um to evolve into a higher conscious being. And I would also, you know, say that a lot of people that go through hardship, right? The harder, right, the the scary, the tough stuff that is going on in on earth, right, is also because they are naturally a more advanced soul come onto earth to experience the thicker, I would say, like a tougher curriculum. Right. Um, so they are advanced soul, and we don't see and we on the side that we when we see this advanced soul suffering, so-called, right? What we do is not to suffer with them, that actually lowers their vibration, it actually giving them negative energy, right? But we actually should be cheered for them. It's like, thank you, thank you, advanced soul, that you are so brave to come to earth to experience this, right? And your learning and your whatever you reveal and whatever you learn, right, it will benefit all of us because we are one, we are interconnected, right? So whatever they learn, we also get benefits from it, and therefore I cheer for you, right? I feel you, and I cheer for you. I don't like man, and we can do this together, and I I will like I pray for you, I send your blessing, I support you that way, right? But you know, go figure it out, like and thank you, this event soul, for to doing that for all of us.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

Yeah, you know, this is really beautiful. Like another thing that I've seen on the news is also how like a lot of people they're coming together, right? They're supporting each other, like all the taxi drivers, giving each other, you know, giving all these survivors free rides, and all these people donating food to like these homeless people. And that just makes me think of the concept of collaboration in general, right? Like the beauty of collaborating. And I think we're in an age where we're transitioning more out of competition because a lot of us were still mentally programmed to compete with one another, right? To get this status, get this rank, get this recognition, especially like when you're doing your college processes, like you're trying to compete for the spots rather than collaborating. So, a lot of the time, some people would like to like hide things from each other, and yeah, it's just an interesting phenomenon to talk about how competition also has fear involved within the competition, which is causing them to compete with one another. So, could you further like elaborate on that point as well?

SPEAKER_03 37:08

Absolutely, I think that compete, it is come from a fear, right? Then it's like it's the same, like go back to the you know, like our ancestor when you know I have to kill the animals for me to survive, right? It's back to the survival um mindset, right? And now in the modern days, very few times we need to kill our compet competitor to survive. It's very, very clear that no matter um when we play sport, right, and when like what is sportmanship? It is like we we compete, we win, but why we win and have that competition in sport is to raise to is to rise up together. It's not to make the other person worse. That is a very basic fundamental of uh sportsmanship. And in and in business, Coca-Cola actually said that before. It's like they appreciate Pepsi because without Pepsi they won't you know be as good as they are today. Right? So competition actually creates um a healthy um rivalry for each other. But somehow at some point, I don't know when that starts to happen, that uh um a win-lose is better than win-win situation. Right, and and that is that is very scary, then especially in the age of AI, and you hear that right um in some very important AI meeting with like all this uh American big company, right? And like uh like for different countries, say, oh one country must win this AI world, for example, right? Those comments is like if it is not good for humanity, right, because if you go down the path of this type of competition, right, it will create a um uh a situation where just people will try to go ahead at all costs, but not and and at the cost of humanity. And that is scary, right? Because in a collaborative world, there will be I want to do it right for all humanity, not just US, not just China, not just one country, all humanity, including human, including all beings, right? That is, and the only way to do this is through call collaboration, is through research together, rise together, right? Uh no harm on anyone on this earth. Right. So I think that is a fundamental shift that actually we must embrace if we go down this competition path, right, we probably can see how AI will end. And that is probably not the path that we wanted to see. And so collectively, I think you know why we do this podcast is also because we want as many people to be awakened to have consciously aware a lot of these choices. We can make our choice. We all of us have the full power, right, to decide. No, I want to be in an environment that is good for humanity, right? That is good for all of us. I think most of us, and I truly believe that most of us on earth, right, um live in love and harmony. Most of us on earth are live in like they don't want war. Like who wants war, right? Who wants like um uh uh like that like is this hard truth of like competition that that behind the scene. Um so yeah, it's hard. I I think that, but if all of us, as many of us can express and really make our choices, like through our how we consume things, like what we decide to buy, how what we spend money on, this will kind of signal to people that are in power to say, okay, what do we want? Right? So it's not a and I really fully think that this is not a you know stand up going out and protest type um situation to say I demand collaboration. That's not how it works, but it's really through a deep knowingness that I choose collaboration and I choose love, and therefore I make conscious decision to consume, to um act and like on things that is aligned with that values. And when more of us just act in our community and we're with ourselves, align with these values, then your world in front of you will change.

SPEAKER_01 42:41

I think slowing down is a really big thing as well, because with the world right now and with AI, everyone is just rushing to the next thing, and it seems like we're also pressed to do the same thing, right? Especially like living in Hong Kong right now, like everyone is just so fast-paced, right?

SPEAKER_03 42:58

Yeah, and sometimes people think about it, what are they rushing to do? What it feels like that, oh, I must learn it, and then or therefore I'm not competitive, isn't it? I need to learn all this, right? And so there is a lot of like if you go back to the reason why people are rushing, again, back to it's a fear-based action. I afraid I will lose my job, I afraid I'm not like um um not gonna catch up, I afraid, um a lot of things, right? Um so again, if we step back and like you say, Caposco, right, slow down, what is important? Like, how do we want to do this together? Right, is my action, you know, also support the overall self, right? It is especially if we start. To have a fear-based action, that is a very good time to slow down and think about how I can have action but not act on a fear-based decision. And that requires sitting sitting down, that requires a transition. During the transition is a slowdown period. It's just like a butterfly, right? When you transit from um from a caterpillar and you know and you turn into a cocoon and into a butterfly, during the cocoon period, you just you just don't move, you just do nothing. Before you become a butterfly. And it's the same concept that most of us forget, right? How life works. And we just go go go go go and we keep trying like with being the best caterpillar, right? And and never try find the time to cocoon ourselves. So good luck being a best put caterpillar when you could actually be a beautiful butterfly.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

Yeah, when you could be like a really nice butterfly and evolve to like the real stage. Exactly.

unknown 45:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Breathing is a really big one, right? Like breathing, just taking deeper breaths, because a lot of the times we're not really breathing the right way. We're doing like shallow breaths because or fearful of something, or we're not doing something aligned to us. But once we take like a deeper breath, then like all of the sensations get activated.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

Yeah, yeah. And if you do deep breath as many times as you can, like through a whole day you can do deep breath, imagine how grounded you are. That's not how you feel when you see um, you know, when you walk by, you see some like what's the difference between someone that you walk through and it's like, wow, this person is so grounded, you know, like it's magnificent type, right? And not too many words, but every word is very powerful, very impactful. Just deep breath, and they just focus on their breathing, they don't focus on the noise, they don't have fear, and they see things very clearly, and so that's why they're then therefore their words become very impactful.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

And once we choose to pursue that collaboration path, we come to the point where we start to be interconnected, right? We all have unique aspects where we're individualized in certain areas, but then we're also not just solely building something, but then you're also connecting with other people. So could you just briefly define like what do you think is the boundaries between like someone who's being dependent versus someone who's being interdependent, where you're like connected with each other?

SPEAKER_03 47:08

Yeah, well, absolutely, we are all interconnected, like it's a it's a web of energy that we are all together. Uh it can't be separate, right? And I think that the way I describe the overlap, I don't know if you've seen um a geometry kind of like the the flower of life, right? Where you have um all this circle, kind of like um, oh, you have one circle and then you have another circle. Each circle has some overlap, right? But then it's not fully overlapped, right? And then it continued, and then you have many like infinite number of circles, right? Basically, um as many as possible. Like so, if you think of it, all of us and go, let's zoom in to start with us and our parents, right? When we were in our um mom's stomach, right, we fully overlap, right? And then if we as we you know born into a baby, we start to separate, but still quite a bit of overlap, isn't it? We still relied on you know the milk, right? We rely on like we are fully dependent on our parents, right? And then as we grow, we our the overlap continue to grow fewer and fewer. And some family, right, was like well, some parents, right? They want really have a strong will or want their um children to be certain type of person or fulfill their dreams, the parents' dreams that they didn't have when they were young. And now we have all these resources and therefore you must relax. Right? So there's the circle still quite overlap in those cases, right? Because the parents kind of want this overlap to happen. Right, but then there is the other situation where uh the parents might be like, I know I just want here to nurture, like give you a give the children a good environment, and you grow whatever, however, you want to grow into yourself, um, the best self you can. So in this case, like the way I describe it is more like a someone that we just have teach you how to do ABC, teach you how to tie your soulaces, right? Teach you all the basic life skill, right, until to a certain point you can become independent. Then those the circle is a lot like a few overlap, right? So with that, so imagine if in a society and in a consciousness where there is a lot of like like let's say 70% overlap, so the evolution of the humanity is quite limited, versus if the overlap because everyone is just like I just give you the basic and then you can thrive, um, then your overlap, let's say, is only 10%, right? Then all of a sudden your evolution of humanity and consciousness expand way more, right? And that's kind of I think that how the interconnectedness works is like we need to be conscious about right how much of overlap, and is that overlap a good thing or bad thing? Or we don't know, but I think that for me we always have to have some overlap. Because if it's no overlap, then the bubble kind of like go on itself and it doesn't work, right? It it needs some type of some chain effect, right? All right, so but then if a little as little overlap as possible as long as you get you up and running, right, then the bubble you know evolve itself, and then the bubble will evolve itself. And I think that's kind of how I see interconnectedness and collaboration. So us as rather you are a teacher or your mentor, your parents, a coach, I think all of us like have to become very aware of how are we creating, how are we optimizing this life bubble that everyone that reach out, everyone that we interact with, right, to create to give that environment um for for them, like for the you know, for the life to thrive on their own. So that way they experience the life in the most fulfilling way, and that most fulfilling way, right, is the evolution of our whole humanity.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

And I was also thinking, like, does does that also require like if right now you're in a really like dependent situation where like you're either in like a dependent relationship or you're in like a dependent business, like are you supposed to learn more about yourself first? Like take that step to be independent, and then only then you can be like more interconnected and interdependent.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

Yeah, exactly. Well, but I think there is like um also two things to think about, right? Is that dependency because you are not independent enough, or is that because the other party um create a situation where you you force you to be dependent? You see, right? So so yes, we continue to learn to be independent, but actually I would say a lot of the time, right? Be we underestimate our um ability, and then therefore we depend on someone, right? But that is also a um mindset that um need to clear, right? To see, especially like I I would say that unless you are like below um like if you have 18 and below, yes, the dependency in general is higher. Yeah, even like once you finish high school, I think there is a lot of independence that can come in, right? Then it's up to that that you can make up your own mind that you can like you would really know who you really need to start uh start to think like who am I and who am I not? Right, because the first the the the first 17-18 years of dependency it creates a lot of who you are not, right? So so start from there to kind of go from that caterpillar to cocoon. So stay in the cocoon mode, right, to to really understand who you are and who you are not, right? And then you go again you can go into this interdependency, right? We're not disrespectful of our you know, elderly, like parents, teachers that you know gave you that 10% of who you are really are because that is foundational, right? But we respect uh the love that they give, right? That they give, and that but can truly become yourself. Um so I think that is an important step to actually know what you are not, uh, more than what you need to do to be independent.

SPEAKER_01 54:57

And I think we're also evolving into an era where we're less dependent on like the left brain in general, because a lot of the time we're mentally fixated right now with all of these fears and all of these projections, and we're moving to this interconnectedness of the left brain and also the right brain, where the right brain is more like meditative and more spiritual and like activating that inner feminine, as they say. So, yeah, what's what's the middle path? You know, what's the interconnectedness with like the left brain and the right brain, which is like the contemplation, your heart.

SPEAKER_03 55:32

Actually, I would say that the brain in general, especially the logical brain, right, is um is uh very outdated logic system that is use our mind and is the operating system of our ego, right? Ego is not a bad thing. So like uh I think in out there might be now people think ego is a bad term, but it's actually a very neutral term, right? Ego is just like so that we have a sense of self, which is required uh in the game of life, in this 3D world, in this uh reality. So we need this ego self to operate. But where how you really connect to and and then that's very masculine, right? Like you like you mentioned, it's uh it's an action-based, it's a method-based, right? And and the world has been rewarded this side of our humanity a lot, right? And and actually it's almost like highly dependent on our masculine side and and the logic side, the method side of things. But the other side, what is going on in the back?

SPEAKER_02 56:55

It's so funny. I just see like someone like coming right down. It's watching my window.

SPEAKER_03 57:04

Anyways, but on the on on the heart is actually when we and and when we go into this new period nine, right? Going into the heart is so important. Because heart actually is the portal, is the bridge to our soul. It is the feminine energy that comes in. That is and it is something that was purposely suppressed in school and in the corporate world, if you think about it, right? Don't get so emotional, yeah, put your emotion aside. And even if we talk about emotional intelligence, it's not true, emotional intelligence, because that emotional in that EQ, the so-called EQ in the in the business world, is to make sure that you suppress it so much so you can be very efficient and productive in your work. It's not to nurture or think about what you need to do, right, and how emotions teach you. And that is only the hearts can do it, right? So the heart is the bridge to your soul, to our deeper learning. So I think that like um from going forward, I think it is very important that we spend time, and I am hoping a lot more education comes in that helps students like go into the heart and work with our heart, work with our emotion, work with our fear, right? And and not as in a suppressing, but actually like um what can we learn from these emotions? Uh and so and then with the heart, right, then it naturally goes to the creativity, right? Um the creation, right? And that is what we really are, right as a human being, is to create. So I think yeah, it's not only the left brain, right brain, but it's like the neutral point is going. Use the heart, like I used to say, use the use your heart to think, and use your brain just to um execute.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

Yeah. And talking about this point, like since you have also like previously like worked with different like corporate leaders, like could you just give us like a brief example of how like any leaders who like integrate both areas of the brain, like both like the compassion and also like the logical driven, like how that looks like?

SPEAKER_03 59:50

Yeah, I think the most um impactful memory, like it was I I was very early on in my career, probably a few years into my job, right? And that was like during the internet like craze, like kind of like now the AI craze. It was the internet craze, and same thing, a lot of like big like people hire so many people, and they have to lay off a bunch of people. So it was in one of my first layoff um experience that I have seen in the copper culture. And I was like scared, I was like so scary, so sad, right? How people how company lay off people because you just like you could bring a group of people into a meeting room, and then you just announce to them that today is your last day. And then by the time you get out, you go to your desk, you pack your everything, you have to pack everything away, same day, and then you put all the all the like uh computer out in the office, like at the on the floor, uh to signify that you are fully packed, and then security um get you out of the door. So I witnessed, so I was a junior like uh analyst at that time. I wasn't impacted, but I was seeing how other people was um being like treated, and it was I I was it was tough. Then I saw someone coming out uh from my uh manager's office, and she was crying because she was impacted, but then she gave my manager a hug. And it was a long hug, not just like a pat on the shoulder type hub, it was a long hug. And I was like, wow, you know, on one hand I saw on the left side, you know, is all this like sadness going on, like this inhumane way of uh treating someone that's served the company for many years. Right on the other side, and the other side of the corner, I saw this person also got laid off, but she's hugging the person who told her about the layoff. So after that, you know, like I was like asking my boss, like uh what did he say to her, like why and that is the first time I know what like compassion it's like leadership looks like, right? Is how it's the same news that you deliver to someone, but you can be very compassionate about like and be very understanding, understand of the situation, right? And I think that uh boss until now, right? I still have close contact with him, right? And and I think my leadership, like a lot of it, is you know, um grounded by his compassion. Uh so yeah, I you know forever grateful, but that is what I see is when you treat a human to human, right? Even business involved, but when it comes to human like and the impact in their life, there is a very good way to express right and to to handle it, right? That is beyond the business protocol, right? That huh, I would say probably actually will say no. You know, but the business protocol is that don't do that, you just be stern. This is the message, this is what you do, right? But sometimes we do trick the protocol because that's the right thing for the human being. That is compassion.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:50

Yeah, I'm just taking some time to absorb that moment because I think that was that was a beautiful story. I think there was also this quote which I think you wrote in your book as well, which was from Breen Brown, I think. It was like vulnerability isn't weakness, it's courage. And it's really coming to a point where you know people are starting to be more authentic, and really showing one's weakness isn't really a negative thing, but it really can be powerful, right? Because you're connecting in like a human level and like a very deeper level.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:35

Yeah, yeah, and I think I really appreciate Bernie Brown's that you know she talked about vulnerability for quite a few years now, right? But um, I think that she very advocate this particular point on leadership is like the tough, right? The the throwing stuff across, like when I when I was when I was young, right, like like the tough boss like is there, like you're throwing stuff across the table, like yelling at people. Right? Those eras, like I think there's those eras exist like for a reason. We learn from it, right? But this era, it is about vulnerability, it is about the feminine energy, it is about being authentic, it is about right being who we fully are, right, and and supporting each other, uh, collaborate with each other, like and give each other up uh to um um humanity for for all humanity and not just even one group of humanity. Right, and I think we are also moving away from even the concept of you versus me, right, the wester versus eastern, like all this. I think that we are moving into a way where um we all see the same. Truth, we all see the want the same love, um, and we all know what's good for humanity, right? Um, and the system has to catch up.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:13

Yeah, I think wrapping this podcast up, we talked about a lot of amazing concepts. Like, we went from talking about like the environmental collapse with the fires, from talking about like the fear of that to talking about like the collaboration with all of these empathetical people around the world and talking about interconnectedness at the end. And my greatest takeaway with all of these was how it's so important to do our own part first, which means that we need to learn about ourselves before we can actually fully love others because we're at a point where a lot of us we don't even have the self-love, which is why we're projecting these negative feelings, these fears on to the world and onto others. So we need to take a step back and do a lot more breathing, do a lot more contemplation, and really think about who this self is and what you really want to project in the world, right? Project through love. So that was my biggest takeaway. So, Ryan, I was wondering what was your biggest takeaway from this?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:16

Yeah, I you you know, summarize it beautifully, and I think that is so true in uh uh uh around the self-love, right? We always try to fix other in order to fix ourselves, and we need to flip the script. There is nothing to fix outside, the only things if if you only have energy to fix one thing, like and and I wouldn't even call it fix, right? Because we are actually a full, complete, and beautiful being, we just forgot about it, and so what we need to do is just to remember who you are, who you truly are, who you're the beautiful soul within you. What is your soul, right? What have your soul been doing recently? What did your spirit say about yourself? Once you go into that, you don't need to fix everything outside. You will find understand that outside is a manifestation of within of what you have within you, right? So once you clear, once you find your beautiful soul and leave that beautiful soul, everything around you will change accordingly without fixing a thing. That's the beauty of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:51

Awesome. Again, Ryan, I really appreciate all of the stuff that we talk about in this podcast. Another amazing episode, and to anyone listening out there, really bless you and best of luck with everything. And we're really supporting you from Hong Kong here.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:11

Thank you, Bosco. Amazing, right? And um, you know, always a lot of good questions, a lot of deep questions. Um, I think your community you know is really lucky to have someone like you, right, to leading the way to this um awakened journey. And you know, I'm happy to be here, right, to you know, have this little overlap that we talk about, right? But um, and and from that, like, and then you guys can shine as much as you can be your full, beautiful soul.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:44

Awesome. So thank you, Bosco. And we'll see you guys in the next one. Peace out. Peace.