EP4 - Ryion Pun: Master The Matrix By Forgiving Others

In this 4th Episode of Awakened Purpose, Bosco and Ryion delves deeper into the awakening process, focusing on the importance and role of of forgiveness, what the "matrix" actually look like in the real world, and exploring our metaphysical aspects. Ultimately, leading towards the vision of a more loving and conscious collective.

Timestamps:
00:50 - Saying “sorry”
03:29 - Conditioning
07:23 - Extreme Abuse
10:31 - Why Forgive
15:00 - Unseen impacts
17:09 - Relationship Leakages
18:65 - HO'OPONOPONO
21:11 - Root Cause
25:22 - Multiverse
31:36 - Deep Conditioning
35:21 - Unconscious explained
36:26 - Information Vending Machine
40:04 - Energy Bubbles
42:22 - Metaphysics = Superstitions??
47:43 - Create Your Bubble
52:29 - Human Design Story
56:21 - Dr. Strange
58:12 - Avengers Endgame
01:00:19 - Artist’s “ahaaaaa!” moment
01:06:14 - The Matrix
01:10:28 - Complexity
01:12:13 - When forgiveness becomes unnecessary
01:18:39 - Detachment from The Matrix
01:24:58 - THE VISION

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Episode Resources:

https://www.ryionpun.com/
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https://www.instagram.com/bos.yiu/
https://youtu.be/YUffcFRKsNM

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

A lot of people they're trying to escape the matrix. I especially know a lot of like you know, like entrepreneur friends, they're all trying to build their own startups or they're trying to drop out of school because they want to escape the matrix. And I think during one point I was also like having that mindset where escaping the matrix means like you know, financial freedom, time freedom, and things like that. But then once we access this spiritual body of work, and what I realize is one time you kind of hit it in my face, you beat me up, right?

SPEAKER_02 0:30

And then I'm angry, and I was like, Yeah, you intentionally hit me, right? For no reason, but very likely at the soul level, I'm sorry, please forgive me, I love you, and thank you.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

That's all. Ryan, when we talk about this concept of forgiveness, it's such a funny thing, right? Because if we think about it, when someone else does something wrong to you, you expect them to apologize or at least say sorry, even if it's a small thing. But then when you do something wrong, it feels like even though sometimes you do say sorry, especially for like the bigger things, like it's like there's some resistance or there's some kind of guilt that you feel of just saying sorry and just apologizing. Like, why is that the case with forgiveness?

SPEAKER_02 1:26

No, that's a great question. That's cool. I think that's first and foremost, the cute you say the guilt of like even saying forgiveness or saying um sorry, it is actually like our ego presenting ourselves, right? Because we, since we were young, if you think about it, when we did something wrong, what happened? Our parents yelled at us, yeah, we get punished, and so we naturally, our ego self, would like try to protect us, right? It's a form of protection and say, no, no, no, no, no, I wasn't wrong. Let me explain myself, isn't it? And so, with that, then that naturally allowed, like it forces us that that's like, no, I am not wrong, and so therefore I shouldn't be uh apologizing. Um, and then so uh sometimes like you see people that just say, Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Actually, that is a very bad habit, in my opinion, because it actually normalizes sorry in a way that it gets to you, it just becomes a word, it doesn't really mean much, right? But then when it comes to a real situation that we wanted that we should say sorry, we find excuses, right? We find explanation um to not do that. Um, and this is a protection um that um our ego tried to protect ourselves uh to not being hurt again and not being want to feel small again. So so that is like kind of the fundamental reason why it's so hard uh to say sorry, and it's very easy to demand a sorry from someone else though, yeah, for the exact same reason, sort of.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

Yeah. It's interesting how you mentioned how some people are so frequently saying sorry, but the other people is like their ego just doesn't want them to say sorry. Does it have to do with like genetics, or is this some kind of conditioning that they have?

SPEAKER_02 3:41

Yeah, definitely conditioning, right? And um I I had a uh a mentor someone before where it she she basically every probably 10 minutes there will be some form of sorry coming out of her mouth, right? Oh sorry, can I get this? Oh sorry, oh sorry, it's very little things, right? Uh also sorry, uh I'm taking over. I can I bother you. But that form of sorry is actually is a form of belittling ourselves. That we are not confident um in asking for something. So everything that we ask, it feels like it's bothering someone, right? Or or or feeling that your contribution or your work or what you're about to say is not as important as the other person, and therefore I must apologize to get the attention, and that is actually a form of lack of self-worth in some way. And in that case, right, we we need to like you kind of look at it and and do um uh some your through your own awareness, do you um notice that happened to you? And if that's the case, right, my recommendation first thing is to remove those sorry, the word sorry in your daily language, then you make that forgiveness and that sorry, the word sorry very sacred and meaningful when that actually that happened that actually require a forgiveness, require a apology.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Yeah. I wanted to delve deeper into this whole concept of forgiveness. Like when we don't forgive someone, a lot of negative energy gets trapped in us, right? Like we start holding grudges, we start wanting to like punish someone else, and on the surface level, it seems like yes, we are trying to attack that other person, but then it also unconsciously conditions us to a certain extent. And can we just further you know explore the impacts on us first?

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Yeah, because the first question, and I think that's more like a discussion. Do you think it is easier to forgive others or forgive yourself?

SPEAKER_00 6:26

I mean, technically that's a good question.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

There's no right or wrong, right? I think about it is like uh something for us to contemplate.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

I mean you would know more about yourself because you know like your past history, so it might be easier to like figure out like what your actual nature is and how like see patterns with the things like under the conditioning that you have compared to someone else, maybe because they don't like you don't really know much about them. But then you can also argue, I guess, like you can put yourself in a third person perspective when looking at someone else's life, and it might be easier to like detach yourself from the emotions because a lot of times, like if you're thinking about yourself and maybe more guilt comes out.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

Yeah, yeah. So I think we play it out, like and we we use a kind of extreme scenario to to play to play this out, right? Um, so let's visualize, right? Um, we are the victim in this case of a child abuse or sexual abuse and the extreme cases, knowing that the person who did this to us was intentional, as far as we know, right? Um we as um uh helpless child, right, or helpless um person that not like is um we were still young, right? There we we don't have the power to fight back, um we don't even might have the venue to fight back, right? And that happened to us right at that moment, right? And of course, right? Or like uh not even a moment or maybe a long period of time, right? Because abuses behavior can last for years. It's so painful, it's so real, right? It's so much resentment, so much anger that sit within us. So much not understanding why that person have that evil thought to do this to us. One would ask, how could I forgive such behavior? Right? There is no logical reason, no legal reason why that person should be forgiven. So why why why do we talk about forgiveness? Right. So but now think of it, what does this whole situation situation have been doing it for ourselves, right? We have been living with uh fear, living with resentment, living with anger, living with hating the world, right, living with darkness. And we couldn't get out of it because we have been wanting someone to say sorry, but also knowing that sorry actually doesn't release any of those anger and resentment and pain and hurt, is it? So just looking at that fact non-forgiving doesn't lead to um positive outcome. Would you agree with that? Yeah, because it's there any way out without forgiveness, right? Is the question, first of all, right? That that like without forgiving, even there is no way out of this darkness, no way out of this heaviness.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

It's like even if you punish that person, like if, for example, that person goes to jail or they get like a death penalty, at the end of the day, it's like even though they're dead, like that's the extreme scenario, like the impact has been still inside of you, like you're still alive and you're still embodying this negative energy, and the fears are still in your head all the time. So we need to somehow release it, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:28

You might find justice, and that's okay, right? But the justice, most of the time, does not release the pain, right? The deep inside that that that pain and that resentment. The justice helps, like I think, a bit. It's like, yeah, I find justice, that's that's good. It's a release. But if you never forgive that person, right, that entanglement, right? When you ever you see that person again, or even just hear that person's name, what happened? The whole emotion, the whole negative emotion, the everything, the anger, the the the resentment come back up, right? And then it pours down again into a deep negative field. Right, and I think that is the reason why I think forgiveness is such a powerful and important um journey for us to forgive them, right? Forgive whoever that hurt us and forgive ourselves for so harsh on ourselves to go through all this resentment, this anger, um, and this you know negative spiral. And the other thing I want to point out is that forgiveness doesn't mean that we become a pushover. It doesn't mean that you can be cum baya and and be happy with whatever you know that person that that did us wrong. Right? But it's about really forgiving the situation and forgiving self and then from that forward, right, you don't have any obligation to have any interaction with the other person that harm us, right? That um and and in of course, like in situations that we can remove ourselves from that environment, that's great. But sometimes it we might not even be in the power to remove ourselves from a environment. Um then what do we do? And then how then how that forgiveness becomes a powerful tool to disengage uh and protect your inner energy, like protect your inner emotion and uh um without really overwhelming ourselves. So there is different techniques uh on how to deal with that, which I can't really cover everything uh here, but right, but I really want to point out the power of forgiveness, right, and how we can use forgiveness as a tool to regain our um you know confidence and and our true self, right, and and remove that negative energy inside us and find clarity uh from forgiveness.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

One thing I've noticed a lot is that most of the time a lot of the impact from being hurt by others, like we can't really see it consciously, like it's a mechanism which is just playing out in our lives and we don't really notice it. Like, for example, I know some of my friends who've gone through really traumatic events, like family events and like being abused by their parents, and afterwards they were really seeking for uh intimate relationship, so then they fall into a really dependent relationship, and they themselves don't really see that, but in the long run, you can see how that's problematic when you're not an independent being and you're too detached. I mean, you're too attached to someone. So, how can we first gain this consciousness or gain this awareness to see whether or not something that you have right now is being affected by your past and it's maybe something that you haven't forgiven yet?

SPEAKER_02 16:00

Yeah, no, that's a great question, and it happens so much, right? And that's just why when we do not forgive, it kind of perpetuates to um your adult life, right? And you know, it could be forever if we don't remove right on or find that awareness to remove that. And but what is funny is that when you ask how do we start to aware if certain behavior that we have is is uh because of some conditioning in the past, like or some emotional trap um then or trauma that we haven't released. Um as someone that really like really gets to the essence of a solution, like what is the shortest way to get the biggest impact, I always say. Uh, that is uh a quote from Bruce Lee, and I always try to find um ways to do that because I'm such a lazy person, I guess, or someone that wants a shortcut. Um I would say, like in my experience, it's not about contemplating and trying to find that root cause and see what's going on. Yes, sometimes it might be helpful for certain people, but I do find and and I I tried that before too, but I find that the most easy way to start doing that is is like you take an inventory of your current situation and relationships and see if there are any relationships that drain your energy, right? That is something doesn't feel flow, it doesn't feel that is um nurturing, right? So those relationships by itself is because there is something underneath that causing us to feel uneasy, right? So from that then you say, okay, but I don't want to like say sometimes I don't know why, right? Or I or our actually sometimes our brain chooses to block some of the trauma, right? That that's so it will be very hard to figure it out why, and therefore the effective way to do that, and then from that relationship or what or that actually present situation that you don't feel good about, right, and then we start doing a what I call a uh four phrases mantra, but it's actually not really a mantra, it's uh it's um Hawaiian um uh technique called opono pono, and it's a four-phrases mantra just to release whatever situation that but actually that what it does is a self-forgiveness. I forgive myself um of feeling this way, feeling this resentment, or feeling this relationship is not going anywhere, like whatever. So this four phrases is very simple. I'm sorry, please forgive me, I love you, and thank you. And that's all. And you keep repeating this to yourself, not to anyone, but to yourself, and then that is if we do this every day, we start to without trying too hard, use our mind to find the root cause, this itself you will start to release and and and feel different. And I find that is almost like a shortcut um uh way to forgive self and naturally forgive whatever that is in our past that sometimes we uh consciously aware or not aware because we sometimes we chose to block it.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

Yeah, I think you mentioned a good point because I myself also fall into the trap of like when there's something uncomfortable, then you always try to seek the root cause of it, like you always want to pinpoint exactly what is causing that problem, right? Because our logical mind wants that information.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

Yeah, root plus analysis.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

Yeah, and you just keep going backwards and backwards and backwards until you get there. But then one thing I've realized is a lot of the times there may be things that you can't really find, and it's just more about the feelings and the intuition, so it's leaning back towards that emotional vibe rather than having to always logically like note down exactly why things are happening to you.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Yeah, and because because our memory actually is very bad, and as we go down and try to find the root cause, actually is I would say a lot of the even if we can find it, unless you know, like unless you actually document everything since you were born, then every single thing that happened in life. Otherwise, what when we go back in time to try to find the root cause, it is the story that we are creating in our head that we actually cannot, there is no way to confirm, rather, it is a real fact, or is I have a memory breakdown. I don't know, right? And and knowing that fact that that is like it's like there's really maybe even we get to the root cause, but it's a story of our root cause. It might not be the fact. So therefore, staying in the presence is become a more in my you know own experience, it become a much more uh proactive way to stay into the present emotion, right? And I will deal with my presence emotion, right? And I will forgive my present emotion.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Yeah. I just heard just now when you were talking, like your dog was barking. Is he hungry or something?

SPEAKER_02 22:35

Or yeah, yeah, yeah. He is a he is like he he never bark except when he needs food. He needs food now, and it's only like even it's not even like 10 o'clock. Like he's his lunchtime is 11. So uh sometimes he's it's funny, but we we forgive him all the time because like he's uh 17 and a half years old. So he gets to forget, like he he actually become forgetful. He forgot that he ate. So yeah, we uh we we are we used to be quite disciplined with uh his diet. Now we kind of like okay, you know, he really forgets, so that's okay. So sometimes he wants to join the podcast, and I hope that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

That's okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

It's like he has an opinion.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Yeah. So going back to forgiveness, do we need understanding on someone else with forgiveness? Because uh currently, like what I do with like forgiveness is a lot of the times people are doing things unconsciously, even though they have like a good intention towards it. Like, what I see is like even though it may seem like a violent thing, maybe they're doing it out of ignorance or out of fear, or they're just being selfish, or they need some kind of love. So, do you believe that everyone who hurts other people are doing it with good intention? Because I mean, we all want these things.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

Yeah. Um, this is a great question, and I would like to use these opportunities can go a bit deeper, right? For for the audience, that like I like in this podcast, like we're not talking about service stuff, right? So we go deep. Let's do it.

unknown 24:40

Okay, let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

Okay, so at the service level, and I think that is when I spoke about how reality work is an important um foundation to answer your question, Bosco, because most of us, uh actually all of us, um like um until we realize something, right? All of us, we start out in a human journey as one reality uh scenario. Right? And this one in this one reality scenario, when someone did something intention I feel intentionally harmful, right, then of course it's intentional, right? That's it. And we need to accept that is the fact in this one reality, like uh human experience. But now we have to look at also there is a additional reality beyond our physical reality, and that kind of makes things interesting, right? Because when we start if we go beyond our one life, one physical um concept, where we are actually a continuity of soul uh coming in onto earth in a human physical form as one of our experience, then all of a sudden, there is an overlay of a second reality, which is our soul reality, um, that sits on top of our physical avatar. So I kind of see ourselves like in you and I talking in what we're doing now, is our physical avatar, where our soul, or I can say our higher self, right? Our God, and what like different culture, different religions, uh, and different belief can have a different term for it. But there is something beyond us, right? There's something beyond us that we as a and I just use soul in this case, our soul together also have a collective um agreement to um so that we say we on this earth in this lifetime will have this experience so that we can learn something about um ourselves, right? So if you think about it, is that we Brian and Bosco is an avatar of our soul, where our soul is the actually the real player that playing the game um of this life called Earth, right? Or is it this game called Earth? So as a soul, it could possibly, right, and I just pray this out. Let's say Bosco, one time you kind of hit it in my face, you beat me up, right? And then I'm angry, then I was like, yeah, you intentionally hit me, right, for no reason, then I'm angry. But very likely at the soul level, right? Our our soul Ryan and the soul boss go say, hey, you know, we're gonna play an act in the Earth Game. In this Earth game, I will hit you. Why? Because so that I need so that I, Ryan, right, as uh avatar, can learn about my emotion because that is one thing that you know I must overcome. That I must like find peace within like this anger. So just like so that's that, so that's the script that I also uh written for each other. So you're gonna play this role, I'm gonna play this role. I'm gonna play the victim, you're gonna play the the gangster, right? Let's just say that in our earth reality, it is intentional. I I feel hurt, and I could I didn't I didn't know the soul is doing that. But when we step back and we see the bigger picture, we're connecting our physical self and our uh bigger picture and our soul uh teaching and soul learning, then all of a sudden the things that happen to us right is might not be is intentional in the earth reality, but is um scripted in the bigger sense, and so therefore, right, the answer is both, right? So in only our our physical form, that person can be intentionally did something to us, um, and maybe without kindness, right? But at the higher level, they might actually we agree that is going to happen so that I can learn something. So that's very like it goes very quite deep to understand this dual reality and and a dual dimension of how we need to experience life, right? But because of that, then we actually can see, and even now, let's say we forget our soul part, but then we can actually say, okay, if I know the soul can do something that I don't understand, right? But at least I say everything that happened to me now is for me and it's not against me, right? And this is what I try to get to. A lot of like we can always say, a lot of like um people and guru and and teachers always say that like you just need to know that if everything is for me, we can forgive easily or easier. But why is it for me? And that is why I need to give the context of how the universe works in order to have our help our mind to understand why certain things that is so negative is for me. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

So it's about having first this understanding and then acceptance of it. Alright. Yeah. If we're thinking to someone who's like facing constant trauma, or they're still being super hurt, even nowadays, even after the event, or if the event is prolonging itself, like it's happening, what can they do about it other than accept it?

SPEAKER_02 31:33

Because like a lot of emotions are coming up, yeah, yeah, and and and and nowadays it's actually even more, right? Like all the emotions are coming up and coming back up. Uh and what do we do? Right, so you know, ideally, if someone that's listening to this podcast that they are in a relatively good space, then that's good, right? Because now we already know, so when we go into a situation like this, we can remember that oh, this is for me, and so I can I I I know I can try to accept, right, and forgive. But for people that are actually already in a situation, for especially like you say, for a long time, it's very hard for them to uh have the capacity right to um release to to to to to even have the time or or the energy to think about this. And then so what do we do is actually is people around them. What I what do I mean by that is that is that we often see someone and say, oh man, I feel so bad for them. I wish they can do something, I wish, and then you we try to teach them, we try to talk to them, and then we get frustrated, why can't they you know change it, why can't they see what I see? Uh but because it's very hard, like and it's like like truly painful for them to feel like like what is currently happening to them. But people around them can make a very, very good choice is right to hold space for them, right? And and when I say hold space and is to create environments where rather through uh meditation and rather even through you do your own oponopono, your the four phrases, I'm sorry, please forgive me, I love you, thank you. When you continue to do that, your because you and that person, maybe it's very close, it's your good friend, or maybe even it's your family members, when you do that, your energy actually will also help them naturally until one day you will notice, then they say, Oh, there is some release, or like there is a somewhere in them start to open up, and then that's when we can start to say, Hey, I have been doing that. Would you be interested in joining me? Right? So it is really about lead by example. When we want to help someone, uh, I think the best first step is we do what we think we want them to do, even though it might not happen to us, but it's almost like we are doing it for them, um, and we are doing it for ourselves. Because seeing them, we also feel the pain, right? So when we feel the pain and when we do that action, we transmute their pain inside us, you see, and then from that we actually are able to lessen their burden, and then they will naturally feel better, and then at some point, then you open up the uh door that you can you know support that person as well.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

And diving deeper with these practices that we mentioned, like Hopamontano and the meditation, like a lot of the times we like to listen to things, but then that goes into our conscious mind, but then it doesn't really get integrated into our body, which is the unconscious. And I guess I just wanted to find like the unconscious being like it's like a tunnel, right? Like the conscious is like the the the top of the tunnel you can't really I mean you can see inside of it, but then for the unconscious, it's like there's a tunnel cover, but then you don't know what's going on inside. And I think with these practices that you mentioned with like happen your happenpano, which is like the self-hypnosis process, like listening to things repetitively, and also like meditation, it actually helps you integrate it from your mind into your body because a lot of the times with these painful experiences that we have, like they're expressed without us even knowing, right? Our mind can't even tolerate it, and it automatically just comes out, so then we need some kind of practice to put it into our body, right? It's like reprogramming our body rather than just stuffing words into our mind because our mind can only take that much.

SPEAKER_02 36:34

Yeah, that's a that is a very good point, Paul Bosco, and I think the way I describe it is that like everything that you hear in this podcast, everything that I said, everything that Bosco said, we have like an information vending machine. We just send you information, right? But it's not yet. It might be my wisdom, it may be Bosco's wisdom, that we embody it at some point, right? But when it when we share with you, you just get it from a vending machine, and one you shouldn't like just accept and agree uh with everything that we said, until what Bosco is saying is until you use this tool to experience it yourself, and when you experience it, then when the wisdom will born from within and then it stores into your like uh subconscious mind, right? And that becomes wisdom, right? So I when you receive what we said is just a bunch of information, and when you use tools to integrate, and then something comes up from within with clarity, with a thing, right? And this clarity is always very nurturing, it's no fear, it's come from a place that feels very peaceful, then that wisdom becomes yours. So, yeah, so it's very it's very, very good point that I always tell people that um don't treat anyone as a guru per se, because the guru is born from within, you are your own guru, but like all the teachers, like uh us, can support you to find your own wisdom, right? And the tool that we are sharing is also for you to experience that oh yeah, this works for me, this doesn't, right? And it's okay, like I I I won't feel bad if something doesn't work for you because everyone has different tools uh and have the different path. Like um Buddha would say that there is why Buddhism has so many scriptures, because there's 84,000 ways for you to get enlightenment, right? And there is 84,000 ways, or like more than that, right, to get us to find our own wisdom, right? But but uh so all of us have to go through that embodiment to create that wisdom.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

Yeah, just be the own scientist of your life, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

And I love that like is like scientists is amazing, right? They always try to um debunk their own truth, and that's what we need to get into, especially in the world of AI. That answer comes so quickly, right? And so we have to debunk all the truth and use our wisdom, right? And every debunk, it becomes our wisdom, and then we use that wisdom to find, continue to seek more truth.

SPEAKER_00 39:59

Diving more into the unconscious side of things, like since we know there are things that are here, but then our eyes just can't tolerate it because in this physical form we're limited by so many capabilities. There's also another way to integrate it into our body, which is energy psychology. And right, and I remember you mentioned um a concept called energetic bubbles, creating energetic bubbles around you. How do you do that? And can you explain how it works?

SPEAKER_02 40:29

Yeah, yeah. So then again, like we go into um deep end of um of our conversation, which I I love. Uh the good news is that I think that now, 2025, the concept of the unseen is more widely known because of quantum, right? Quantum physics um and and quantum mechanics, right, have proven in somewhat that in a way there is um the unseen force that and how our physical and the non-physical and the space uh works um um kind of interconnectedly, right, and commingle uh with each other. And so therefore is more widely acceptable, which is like what is energy, right, and how energy uh works around us. The funny thing, you know, like sometimes I would say the funny thing is that if you go back to Buddhism, um I I wouldn't say Buddhism, but Buddhism is a religion, but I say Buddhist teaching, right? More like uh the way of being, and also like Yijin, the way of being, like Kabbalah, um the way of being, like all those like uh is uh um concepts that has been around for a long time, and all of them actually is talk about the uh energy side of things, which you know, like I think nowadays people we call uh metaphysics, right? Meta physics, like meta basically is just a the unseen part, the larger part um of um of the uh non-physics part of things, which is very much part of us. Um unfortunately throughout time uh not everyone has the benefits to get educated on the fundamental of um Eugene or Kabbalah or like and and a different modality. Uh and therefore we have a very much watered down version of that understanding, and then it ends up right usually through our grandparents and our parents uh tell us somewhat they thought it was wisdom, but without explanation, then the next generation think it was superstitious because we can't see. And at the same time, like the West and the science came up right and tried and and and really promote the understanding of the physicality, like how physics work, right, how biology works, and therefore we move away from the understanding of the energetic field and the non see like part that we can't see. Right. So we kind of lost that con uh knowledge and connection. Um but I think with the help of technology and and science like slowly catching up on quantum, right. And sci-fi actually is a great way also to test our imagination. And sci-fi actually is dramatized, but have a lot of I would say truth in the cosmic, how the cosmic and the universe work. Right. So with the new, like kind of like we kind of 2000 years, like someone figured out a lot of things, but with a very old language that the modern people like us can't really understand, and then kind of go downward. And then now with like um better understanding of quantum physics, right, and better understanding, and also our whole human consciousness is also rising. Um, and that's just part of a natural evolution. So we come back to a place where we can start to understand and feel that wait a minute, I actually can feel some energy. I actually can feel how frequency and vibration have an impact on me. Um and so like um my wife, she and us, actually I also start uh helping now I is on a we do singing bowl, right? Um crystal singing bowl and sound healing. Right. And sound is a vibration and frequency. It creates an energy for you uh to support us and this energy is vibrate at the same frequency as our organs, right? And that actually in Chinese um medicine, um uh traditional Chinese medicine, it also talks about each each um organ is associated with different frequency and different color, right? We'll see, like uh parents would say that oh uh yeah, what what color of food is good for what organs, right? Then we say what but that all actually is part of the study, right? Color has frequencies, right? Have a different vibration, sound has different vibrations and different frequency, and through all that, it helps I we start to like understand, like or remember, I would really say it's remember, right? How to balance our physical body with our energetic frequency to be a whole complete self. If um so so uh I think I like to use the iPhone example in the past where if we only use our mind and our physical self, we are only using few basic apps on my i on the iPhone. And when your iPhone has so many actually hidden uh functions that we rarely use. And as we open up to understanding and feeling and expand um our holistic well-being beyond the physical to the energetic field, uh that is when we're really using our iPhone fully, right? And and you know, that's a long way to go back because I kind of need a context uh for everyone to go back to your question, Bosco. And so, how do we create this energy, like good energy field? Uh, and that is actually there's many, many, many, many different ways, honestly, right? But setting the intention is very important since we talk about everything has energy, so including my words come out from my mouth and our thoughts come out from our mind, that also carry an energy signature, right? And and that's a very simple test, and you can see that. Why do certain people that uh think always have a very positive worldview that always happy? But that is because that naked that the positive uh thought, positive behavior create a reality around them that is also very positive. The reality that outside of us is a mirror of our inner thought is our inner um um energetic field that project a reality in front of you, even if we are in the exact same country or exact same company. Why do some people two two people, same country, have a very different experience? Even the same household, if you're like two siblings, have a very different experience of um their life because how they're energetic, like how their mind, like what's how their thought process, um, and that's all um is is part of how we create this energy field, right? So what I would actually always try to do when we now that you're understanding the the the concept behind like how the energy field works, that using our mind, our um uh and what we say it creates the right energy, then we can actually use our mind to visualize um what uh the energy field that you want to be surrounded, you right the create that um energy that aligns with how you want to be uh and become. So the way I do it is I always try to connect with the element, what elements, the nature, like the the five elements, the sun, the fire. So I I can't all all I kind of use the nature, it's like the sun, right? The the trees, the soil, right, um, the land, right? All this actually um is a energy, they also have their own energy. And I would actually just visualize that how I can actually connect with the sun. And then I can bring the sun energy into my heart, and then from this I create a connection with this beautiful uh pure positive um energy and then connect with my heart, and then from that I expand that energy field to just say a meter wide, right? Like at least it's a bubble that can cover you know yourself. Um, and then with that bubble, and then you set the intention that I just want to have this beautiful um energy surrounding me for the whole day, right? And anything that is negative, please do not come into my bubble. Just by setting this intention is how we can start to you know create our energy feel, right? And and anything that's negative cannot come in, right? But any, but then and if you touch my bubble, I am happy to transmute the negative energy in to neutralize, right? And then why does that intention helpful? That intention not only bounce it's not bouncing back the negative energy, but when they come in, I transmute it. So you create, you actually become the creator of a positive energy field everywhere you go, and that's kind of how I um I talk about energy field and how you know all of us can do that easily. And try and walking around in the public, at work, in the house, and go everywhere you go, you know, you create this positive bubble around you and transmute everything around you. So it's a very long way to come back to the uh solution, but I I I hope this context will help.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

It definitely did. This energy field is so interesting because like a really funny story is like at night, um, I share the same room, like sleeping with my brother. So I sleep in like the bottom bunk, and then my brother's like on the top bunk. And uh there was a night when I couldn't really sleep, and then I was like, hmm, why can I really sleep? And then I start thinking because I was also studying human design, and my brother has um uh the generator, which has like a sacral define, and for those who don't know human design, it just basically means this guy likes pumping out energy, he has like infinite creative force, and he continues like being energetic. And on the other hand, I have the manifesto profile where my energy is limited and it doesn't regenerate a lot. And with this energy field, what I saw was that I really wanted to sleep, but then my brother was super active. But then because we were only like one meter or even less apart, then his energy, because he was like watching um like YouTube on his phone, like his energy transferred to my own energy, which made me not be able to sleep, and I got really frustrated with that. So what I did was I told him to sleep on the other side, so like he moved to the other side, and then right after that, I just somehow felt my body like entirely lighter, and it was just so easy for me to fall asleep afterwards, and it's crazy how energy is so powerful, but then it's not really studied because a lot of the time it's really personal experience, or we have distinct, yeah, unique blueprints, and that's why it's hard to universalize all these things because we all experience different things.

SPEAKER_02 54:01

Exactly, exactly, and and and that's why like we become our own scientists and through our own experience, and then like in in this type of channels to share our experience is so important. It's not that we need everyone to feel the same way, but oftentimes, like I kind of like call it like we finally come out of this spiritual closet that that from a point where we think everyone should have experienced the same thing. Otherwise, I'm weird to know everyone should have a different experience and honor that experience and share with people because somehow it might help other people, and it it it is like actually once we share, then when I start sharing my own energetic experience, like what you did, Bosco, then then people start to open up and say, Oh yeah, I experienced that, but I thought I'm weird. It always happened, it's like, oh, I thought it was just me, so I ignore it. Like now let's say that it doesn't feel right, right? But like this is where we start to um awaken and open up is do honor every like even if all the whole world only you experience that is your experience, and energy that's just how we can all better understand like what is metaphysics, what is energy, right? And and it become and normalize this common language that we can uh that that you know understand that we are all beyond physical and energy play a big part of ourself. And with then then now we have actually a whole new blueprint to understand how we interact with people, how why we feel a certain way, right, why we could uh why we can't sleep, right? And and a simple solution that you probably wouldn't think of if you didn't like think about energy.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

Hmm. Yeah. It's absolutely beautiful when you learn about these concepts, and especially when you see them in your life play out.

unknown 56:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

What's your favorite sci-fi movie?

SPEAKER_02 56:12

Uh, I actually like many sci-fi movies, right? But uh, but I think that Doctor Strange series is is great for me because that is one that really helped me start to understand the multi-universe, multi-like the dimensional world. Um, so that is one of my favorites. Um when I was young, I I I really liked the one of the old uh uh Bruce Wheelie's movie called The Fifth Element. Um that was, I think, I don't know if it's like I don't think you were born. I don't think you were born yet. That's a very old movie. But that that was that but I think it's a different um different favorite. Like the reason is like at that time I liked it because wow, it's the physical way of seeing how the future works in a physical form that excited me. But in the recent year, like my favorite is because I have a like I appreciate the deeper understanding of how the universe are being structured uh and instead of how the earth, like all this new technology on earth. So I kind of switch like uh my favorite in that sense.

SPEAKER_00 57:35

Yeah, it's definitely been a while since I watched the Doctor Strange. I remember I think the the last time I watched Doctor Strange probably has to do with like Avengers Endgame. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:47

And Avengers also like uh when the the fannels like uh the fan, yeah, is that the fannels who like kind of like make half the people, like half of the population disappear. Right? That that movie is also very thought provoking, actually. Because he thinks he thought he did the right thing. But then But we don't actually we but that is the thought provoking part, like which uh align is kind of what we spoke about earlier. Um there is physical in in the in the 3D world, right, with law and order, that's absolutely wrong. But in his mind, somehow, he thought that is how I save the bigger problem that we cannot see. And how do we navigate that to reality is our constant like is where we need to like I think that's where we start to learn about everything, right? So there is a lot deeper meaning and a deeper um message behind it. Like I absolutely don't think, right, that that like killing half of the population is right, right, but it's also at the same time like the way that he his worldview is also in his point of view is not wrong. So how do we navigate that? I don't have an answer, honestly, but it's very thoughtful.

SPEAKER_00 59:30

Yeah, I can see like both sides, yeah. Are there any like other Doctor Strange connections that you can see like connecting to this spiritual world, the spiritual understanding, like you know, the metaverse, the multiverse?

SPEAKER_02 59:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, metaverse and multiverse is um I the way now that we describe it is it's not it's actually um how the universe work, right? I like how like and why sci-fi exists. Sometimes you might first ask the question like how the how does the writer or the the director and the writer even have like have that capacity to come up with this thing? It has to come from somewhere, isn't it? And that somewhere is a must be a database somewhere that you know like and and I think a lot of them uh fiction writers that they naturally connected to this somewhere database, and then then they walk they woke up one day and say, Oh, I thought of this wheel that I need, must write it into a sci-fi, right? But if you think about it's not just coming from a person itself, it's this data, this image, it exists somewhere, some of some some form, and then it goes into a person and translated into a movie, which following that logic, which also uh makes sense, at least in my mind, it makes sense that that then that existence must exist somewhere and find and and it's just find a way to share with us where most of us cannot see, right? And then so so so so I actually do think sci-fi is we call it sci-fi, I call it it's just a reality that we haven't experienced. Um and and we can throughout time, right, we can see how a lot of the sci-fi eventually become reality. Some are faster, some are slower, right? And and because depending on the writer, how much drama that they put in, right, and how much they twitch the original downloads that uh or images that they receive. So uh I like so multiverse is very real. Um uh and and the way that we describe it is just that it's like all the dimensions, all the reality is happening all the time, everything, every time, right? And us, we are doing this podcast, for example, because both of us are tuned into this particular channels of life, right? And but there might be another 8 billion channels that is happening at the same time um that we are not aware of, right? Because we haven't tuned into it, um, and it's all happened at the same time, and that's also like uh is is we when we start to expand our our mind, I think that's very important that start. I would one thing if I recommend is that at least start to not choosing one truth and one dimension as our absolute experience, and try to accept there are multiple reality, there is multiple truth that is not a singular um our life is not a singular line, but it's multiple lines, multiple uh dimensions, and all can happen at the same time, and it's not uh or right. A lot of the time is like people ask, I don't understand spiritual, like I don't understand why, like if if um if there is karma, right? Let's just say, right? If there is karma, how is it possible, right, uh there is a a no karma, right? There is like and because there is like there is a school of thought, right, that would say uh our whole uh life is karma, cause and effect. And then there is a new school of thought saying that, but there is no karma once you go beyond certain spirit, right? And then and then we get very confused, right? And as we going through this spiritual journey and this awakening journey, right? But my advice is that no, it's not a or, but it's a and we have karma and we have no karma, depending on our point of view, because we have multiple reality, because there is a form that we are in, in a what we are experiencing as a physical avatar with cause and effect, and there is a non-physical reality once we go beyond our avatar, right? Go back to our original source where karma does not exist. Right, so that is just a flavor of what I'm talking about, therefore, so both are accurate, both um can be the truth, and it's not a pick one or the other. And then when our mind and our mind start to be able to work on this complex world where everything is an end, everything like your truth is right, my truth is right, everyone's truth is right, that also allowed us to create a lot more compassion, kindness, and forgiveness. Because there is no more that I must be the one that who is right and you do me wrong. We just start to accept and and feel everyone have their own.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:00

reality basically that's eight billion channels happening at the same time slightly different like but somewhat the same so make us very confused are we the same or are we different yeah that reminds me of the movie Matrix like have you watched the series like The Matrix oh yeah yeah yeah and and every time you watch you learn something new yeah I think for the longest time like we've been a lot of people they're trying to escape the matrix I I especially know a lot of like you know like entrepreneur friends they're all trying to build their own startups or they're trying to you know drop out of school because they want to escape the matrix and I think during one point I was also like having that mindset where escaping the matrix means like you know financial freedom time freedom and things like that. But then once we access this spiritual body of work and what I realize is it's not really about escaping the matrix but it's being aware of the matrix and I think the matrix is a symbol for conditioning and for like the programming in our lives. And then after we are aware of it then we start living more aligned to the higher self and also accepting and embracing the matrix.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:14

It's like integrating both together yes yes that's beautifully said uh Bosco it is like I and when when and a lot of the you know like people who start their spiritual journey right or entrepreneur journey like the the escaping is the we I we call it the spiritual bypassing in a way we try to like oh now I know all this I want to like get out of it like I I I smoke like I I do psychedelic like it's escaping right I I and and and everything that you know I I shouldn't I want to bypass this emotional trauma. I want to bypass it right and and hoping that I just want to become um I want to go back home right like a lot of people come in as a star being uh that um they might come from a different planet and then it's like I don't want to be on earth I want to go back home the that's not the point and you really hit you know like really getting the essence of the the the matrix is that what all of us choose to come here right because it is our lesson to embrace right and evolve from from the school of earth right so um embracing it and once we understand once we remember then make the best out of this matrix like and from this forgetness from this remembering process right and create and become the creator right of ourselves the creator in this matrix uh is what we do in in in this lifetime in this body and it's not about longing to go back to somewhere go outside of it so beautifully said and I really like I'm so glad that you know you can grasp that you know essence so quickly so very awesome yeah it's just amazing how life is crazy like if I think back to you see like six months ago it's crazy how much things have changed like understanding and everything especially when I started like meditating I think only like it's been like a year.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:40

I think before that I was already meditating but it was very inconsistent like especially when you get started you're like oh what is this like you don't really believe it. But then once you start committing to it as a habit for like two weeks three weeks in you start to really see the changes so it's really about yeah doing it yourself. Yeah and that that is a leading example every time like and everyone that asks me about like how do I become better like how do I do this how do I do X I always go back to meditation and and humans sometimes think that the uh they don't take the easy route they have to be and I don't know I think it's also conditioning there must be some very complicated framework and formula that practice and doing right in order to get to certain things and then I was like no just meditate not even has to be long five minutes to start like as long as you can be consistent and then your your wisdom and your like the the the the lotus from within will start to browse and then from that you will find your path and the right teacher will come to you the right modality will come to you to support you through that awakening to that republic remembering process and that's it there is no complicated framework um like uh that that you know people like to commercialize it and charge a lot of money right yeah you know it's like but but the but like sometimes like the simplest is is the easiest right there is tool once we start you know like the journey of meditation there are like different tools that can help us to remember our wisdom uh and that like uh is important but there is not something very complicated so so yes meditation meditation is uh start small start very small and also tying everything back to the concept of forgiveness which we explore really deeply in which I really appreciated all your responses Ryan what we have to do is to first take small steps right so every single day bit by bit we start doing these exercises like Hopum and then we start being more aware of where we have to forgive and then afterwards after we ground ourselves in reality then we can start to understand that it really is part of the matrix right part of the entire curriculum as you said Ryan like multiple times where we have to face these as challenges and eventually learn from them in our lives and in one area of your book you also wrote something super interesting which I noted down which is after doing all this forgiveness may ultimately be unnecessary but it also remains an essential until it becomes so like could you expand more on that what it means is it more than just acceptance yeah yeah that is actually my if I have to pick one sentence out of the entire book that is my favorite sentence because it's just that that I I I feel that is um something that we don't talk enough about um and and why forgiveness become unnecessary is because once we expand like through all the you know exercises we just talked about and and what happened it would become that we come to a acceptance mode where everything good bad and ugly right happen to us for us for a good reason right even the worst the most painful experience uh it happened for a reason then at that point there's nothing to forgive because nothing is actually hurting us because we fully uh accept that all pain are uh uh is a curriculum right is a our uh we signed up as a soul we signed up for this curriculum right uh and there is nothing to forgive i and and even like two like so I sometimes I share with people like uh I live in Hong Kong and uh a few weeks or a month ago I said already a month or a few weeks ago there was this fire right huge fire like uh I think one of the deadliest fires happened it's a lot of sadness like and a lot of um um people started pointing fingers on you know what went wrong which is important right because that's part of the improvement of uh processes and and uh laws like that can support like um disaster from happening but at the same time I must share that the people whom the soul will pass on that they are also or and and even the soul that survived but in that incident um then this tragedy they are not um they themselves um I call them the advanced soul yeah the advanced student coming in right that that to have the gut to say I gonna go through this tragedy for people because why right when they go through this tragedy one right their soul also um sometimes it might be they they their soul is to say I go through this tragedy is for other people to learn something like for us to awaken right and and this shock of um emotion actually awaken a lot of us including myself there's like a lot of emotion comes up and then through this emotion if it's like okay what is it like what am I feeling like how can I learn like through my emotion right so I every day I I give gratitude back to this advanced like brave soul that you know chose to you know what happened to them right and how did they help us so when we actually be able to see that everything is happening for a reason including the worst things that happen um and also honor like people that gone through that they are advanced um so being that or even podisapha is like like uh angels and and and guide guardians that they sacrifice their life um to show the world to show us something like and how we can learn from this and then from that point of view there's no more forgiveness because everything that we deeply understand appreciate right the situation and and be humble to learn from that situation and and it's not just a random event that's um someone did something bad or wrong right but that's part of like um uh a a learning like to forgive everything until there is nothing to forgive uh and but most of us like including myself I think it's it's not easy to get there so until then that's why until then we use forgiveness as a tool and we use opponent and other tools to help us to get there until that point that is unnecessary. Another interesting I guess like approach is also detachment from the forgiveness or detachment from the event to be more specific. I mean I was studying Zen past couple days and then there was a story where um a student of like a Zen master they asked the Zen teacher why he wasn't um what why he was upset that his um mother recently passed away like he was like sobbering and things like that because what a lot of us assume is that like if we're going to be in high level of frequency then we might have just no emotions right in general we're going to accept everything. But then part of the acceptance is being fully immersed in the emotion like fully experiencing the emotion during the moment and then afterwards detaching from it. So what the Zen master told the student was after I was sobering because of my mother's death then the next couple of days I just forget about it because that's the past and then moving on from it. And to a certain extent it's like that might also be spiritual bypassing if there are unconscious effects that happens back to you. But then with events I think just like mother's death or if it's how how can we say this if it's events that are not really conditioning us.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:59

I guess events that we just have to accept that just naturally flows in life right you can't really control I guess like uncontrollable factors then you just have to learn to like let it go yeah yeah and I I think that that um there's some people attach to the sadness right to the to the grief um and feeling that the grief if I don't grieve I am a bad person right um and I think that is where some people get into um depressions I or um or guilt right but you you you said it beautifully is that we let the emotion come we are human I think that's what we do like that's part of the matrix all right like we said um emotion exists and we fully honor the emotion and fully appreciate the sadness right because as parents passing is the hardest things right like it's like our loved one um um uh is leaving us right that that that loss right um even though the most um high level Zen master boo uh uh monk llama right we still have emotion because we are we are human um and we are a compassionate one right like and and and as a compassionate uh human being we have emotion we can tears we can cry we can be sad but we don't attach to that emotion for long we learn to feel it all we nurture our emotion and then once we nurture we take care of our emotion and then that will be able to transmute the emotions and that's what a like uh Sandmaster and and and and that's what we can do like it's not only Sandmaster but that's kind of the process the tool to go through those steps to transmute whatever and and and emotion comes in and and so it's a very misunder misunderstanding if we say that oh if we are led there is no emotion there's no anger no no we feel everything we feel every anger every anxiety we take care of it right but we we and is if we don't take care of it that is the bypass that we putting it under the rug and ignore it and then and then we just continue to do our own things.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:44

And that is a dangerous path and that's what you know like a lot in the corporate world they call uh uh emotional intelligence and um I have a I I always like I would say that emotional intelligence in the corporate setting right or in in um the social setting is a emotional suppression so that when we suppress our emotions so that we can get things done that is a productivity tool not a um not a self-development self-mastery tool a self-mastery tool is to once we suppress we take those suppressed emotions when we get home we bring it back up we nurture it we release it um and then we transmute it and and that I call the heart intelligence which I think I mentioned it before right so so we follow our heart and go through the steps um and go through those those frameworks that I shared before the ARAE framework to transmute to transmute them as well so we transmute our values we transmute our emotions with and and that is the true in kind of like uh intelligent so so yeah or not intelligent like that become wisdom you transmute the intelligent all the emotion that transmute into wisdom amazing absolutely amazing yeah before we wrap this podcast up I think we covered a lot of theory and a lot of concepts and I just want to lift the spirit up you know lift the spirit up of this podcast a bit more like Ryan like what what would be like the vision here like if let's just say we start embodying all of these forgiveness principles and we actually start to live from our higher self live truthfully like what's the what's the vision?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:54

Yeah and it's very possible like my vision that you know why I do what I do today right is that if we everyone can forgive and everyone can meditate just even like five ten minutes a day what happened to the everyone around you naturally will right feel that energy where we our first of all our self does not react with our self reduce our trigger right and and from that then then everyone around you right because we have this positive energy field then everyone around you just as I do it a math right five people around you also feel what you feel and you can also influence another five persons uh five people right that can do the same thing meditate five minutes a day you know remove yourself from your thoughts so that you can um you you can have space to respond right and we start to forgive right because everything is um for us that we see the world slightly different right and that five person same thing like share with another five person you can imagine if all of us can actually embody what we just talked about today it doesn't take a long time it doesn't take a lot of like a long time for us to actually create a a much peaceful world that that is the less like like there's so much going on in the world right now right like the conflicts and everything we can actually like people like turn on the news get angry and when as soon as you get angry you brought this you that ripple effect right it goes out and then more anger and then you talk to you know like like other person and then you talk about this like uh what you saw on social media and then you and then the other five persons is also angry and then all of a sudden it creates something that is cannot be safe right it end up like war happen and everything right but we can do our part today to say I am a creator of peace I am a creator of a kinder world then I will commit to do my meditation and my forgiveness and because I know my energy matters it will have a ripple effect on everything else and then I think we can all become empowered and take back control of the reality knowing that one everyone Give to five people, five people, give to five people. You can put in an Excel quickly how many people you can reach. Right? So this is my uh reading. I think that um it's not hard to do if all of us are collectively are willing to take that step.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:23

Yeah. And this ultimately will build like what we all know about the heaven, right? What we all know as heaven, as the kingdom, as the garden of Eden, as they say in Jewism. And I think it was the Devaloka for the Buddhism. Yeah. Like the multiple heaven.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:44

Yeah, yeah. And the heaven is on earth, right? It's just a matter of us to decide when do we start that. And once we decide to do that, it is a ripple effect that can go very fast. So I encourage everyone to start this process. And you know, I committed myself to do this for the rest of my life, right? Because I feel that that is actually very, very doable. I can see it, it's very doable because, like I say, the method is not complicated. We just need to take that first step and believe that, and now that we understand, when when we only see it as a physical world, it's very hard to see that it's possible. When we see it as beyond physical, that understand how energy works, then all of a sudden it becomes very possible because we are all interconnected at an energy level. But it's hard to visualize that we are interconnected in the physical level.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:02

Fantastic. Yo, Ryan, whenever I do these podcasts with you, and this is the this is our fourth episode, right? I always just feel this sense of peace, you know, it's just sense of inner peace, and also like I could feel my stomach being like warm and being filled. Do you also get like similar feelings?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:21

Yeah, yeah, and and and every time I feel a lot more like um the reality, like the reality is creating right through our collaborations, and and I think that is like um I have never feel this way before actually, but um this time, you know, and I really appreciate you know spending you know your time and and really have this vision of um awakened teens to help you know the uh people out there to bring this to the world that we can all do this together um in a actually it's in a very nonviolent and very peaceful way that both awaken ourselves and awaken everything around us. And that is like I want to read like this, like and I myself actually like Bosco and you know, right? I go around the world and and study different like um uh uh philosophy and to to try to synthesize to make it very, very simple uh for people to understand and make it very practical into our daily life so that you know like it is not hard to do. It might take just a little bit to rewire our our worldview, right? That's the that's the part that might take a little bit um uh time, but once we rewire our worldview, the action to create this you know new reality, that this kind peace, uh peaceful reality is is actually almost I can see it, I can see the end of this. And you know, thank you for all your questions, and you create this platform to bring this together as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:26

Yeah, thank you for all the stories and all the wisdoms as well. It's always nice to have a conversation with someone with a lot more life experience as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:37

Yeah, and like but it's just life experience are like a lot of mistakes, right? And I and I keep reminding people that one is like don't take everything that I said, um uh um and just do, but really experience it yourself, right? Uh become your own guru uh by you know embodying this information into your wisdom.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:03

Awesome. We'll wrap the podcast here to everyone who's still listening. Just take it easy, stay true to yourself, and we're always rooting for you and supporting you from afar. Until the next one. Catch you guys soon.