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EP5 - Matt Turley: Narrating This Book CHANGED My Whole Life!

• Bosco Yiu • Episode 5

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In the 5th episode of Awakened Purpose, Bosco and Ryion features Matt Turley, the narrator of Awakened Purpose, to synthesise all of the core insights of awakening, relationships, consciousness, purpose, and many more wisdoms in the journey of an awakened being.

Timestamps:
00:00 - narrating “Awakened Purpose”
02:17 - synthesis
04:37 - 1&0 Method
06:41 - intergenerational wisdoms
07:53 - [a]wareness
20:20 - Ryion’s example of heart misalignment
24:30 - Matt finding a new job
28:17 - the Paradox of Reprogramming
31:11 - no pain no gain (先苦後甜)
36:25 - why is sound so powerful?
49:39 - timeless rizz games
57:32 - “self-love” playlist
59:01 - working too hard vs not trying (Ryion’s girl rizzing experience)
01:01:29 - why we like to escaping our nature
01:05:39 - introvert wisdoms
01:13:10 - “coming of age” seriousness
01:16:48 - no one gives a F about you..
01:20:11 - AI’s relation to consciousness
01:24:05 - what we can ALL do

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SPEAKER_01

This preconception that if you text someone instantly back, then like you're someone who is always available, right? So then you need to like wait for a couple hours or wait for a day, so then you show that you're like not interested, but also interested. Like there's lots of different like mind games that you can go with this text.

SPEAKER_02

Then it's not only teenagers, the boss goes that's like across the age rather than your you know 17 or 67.

SPEAKER_01

And if everyone is wearing this mask and playing this game, then you you're kind of pressured to play this game, right?

SPEAKER_02

No. I think that is when and a lot of the time we think oh we want a financial capability, right? But then we choose to focus on the fear and not the love. And therefore it creates that negative impact.

SPEAKER_00

The only thing right now that would change me from feeling scared and anxious is myself, is my ability to say.

SPEAKER_01

Today we have a very special guest here, Matt Turley, who is the narrator for Ryan's book Awaken Purpose. So, Matt, why don't we just get started with a light introduction about yourself?

SPEAKER_00

Great. Well, thank you for having me. It's good to be here. Um I met Ryan in a coaching certification course that we took together. And when I learned that he had a book, I um reached out to him and kind of half jokingly suggested that I could be the narrator for it. Um it's the first time I've narrated an audiobook, and it was a great experience. And I'm really fortunate that it was Ryan's book that I got to do for my first narration because it really resonated with me. Um, and I use things I've learned and read in Ryan's book on a daily basis.

SPEAKER_01

Cool. Yeah, Ryan, uh just tell me more. Like when you've you know heard Matt saying that he wants to narrow your book, like how did you feel about that?

SPEAKER_02

No, I was very excited because I definitely audiobook was one of the um next steps that I wanted to do after I, you know, published my book in the physical form and in Kindle form. But I was like, I I was a little nervous. I was like, well, if I have to narrate myself, it will be hard. Like English wasn't my first language. Um and you know, I have some doubts. Like uh actually I do have I did have some doubt. So then when Matt you know reached out, I was like, yes, that's great. Because you know, one, we, you know, um in the same class for over a year, and we felt like we know each other fairly well, and I know um the content that he would resonate quite a bit. So like so so I just went with it is sometimes and I you know in different episodes I I I always like to tell people that we just you know go with the throw. There is opportunities that come up and it's up to us to decide what what we do if it is a choice. So I definitely grabbed that opportunity.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. Super cool to have you know all three of us here on the podcast. And I remember when I first read Ryan's book, it was transformational in a way where you know I never really read a book which consolidated like the thoughts that I had because I knew that there was something called awakening, I knew that there was like something greater than just the mundane life. And Ryan's book really resonated with me in a way where like every single chapter it was like a really nice synthesis of everything because I've been like watching a lot of videos on different topics. So, Matt, could you tell me more about like what was the transformation from like before reading the book and after?

SPEAKER_00

Sure. Um, I agree with you. The book really kind of synthesizes a lot of things that um I had come to on my own before reading the book, uh, in different ways from different sources, you know, over my decades on earth, trying to find different or pursuing different ways to awaken myself or find my purpose. And the book really captures a lot of different approaches, different perspectives that are all fairly aligned and consistent in the message and the teachings. And uh, since I um started the book, which I think we started about a year ago, um, and I read the book and I read it in narrating it. I probably read the book 20 times in total because doing many chapters over and over again. Um, and that was really a great exercise because it really helped me to, you know, sometimes you read a book and then you remember some of it, but if you have if you don't reread it, it's like watching a movie or something, you for you you forget a lot of what you experienced. And it really kind of um resonated after reading it many times. Um, and as I mentioned, some of the things I use on a regular basis, it really helped me. It really helped to bring together what was probably um a lot of uh disaggregated ideas and concepts that I had learned about and experienced myself over time, really bring them all together in a way that felt good, felt consistent. Um, and I was able to I'm able to tap into different parts of messages in the book as needed for different experiences or different situations in life.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, awesome. So, what was um one principle which really stuck with you, you know, from narrating all of these chapters?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the um the one and zero method um was really helpful. And um that's where you evaluate things that you believe or feel, um, and you assign a zero to them if they don't really serve a purpose, uh, and a one if they still serve a purpose if they're useful. And I found um that this is a really useful method. It's really simple, which is helpful, it's very quick and easy to do, and it's useful on any time scale. So, for example, if I have a thought, uh momentary, immediate thought in a situation where it's causing me anxiety or fear or something, I can immediately say, is this useful? Is this helpful? Um, if it is, then okay, I'll pay attention to it. If it's not, then I'm gonna disregard it and let it go. Um, and and then you can do that over a lifetime as well. Like at you know, my age, older than two of you, um, there are habits or beliefs or experiences that I still retain. And sometimes I have to stop and say, okay, I've felt this way since I was younger, much younger in some cases. Is this still useful or helpful? If not, then I'm gonna shed it. I'm gonna let it go. Um, and it's all about energy for me, as Ryan is uh, you know, um a guru in that it's all about energy. And the energy is what energy do you want to have? What energy do you want to receive? What energy do you want to bring to the world and to the people you meet? Um, and for me, it's really about cultivating the energy, cultivating the mindful, loving energy um and instead of you know destructive hurtful energy that's um really useful.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think it's really cool how there's um different ages here. You know, I'm 17, Ryan's 47. How old are you, Matt?

SPEAKER_03

61.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah. So we have a really yeah, really wide range of age here. We can share like different intergenerational wisdoms, always nice. Yeah, like one thing with teenagers nowadays is as you've said, like, we face a lot of anxiety, especially when we're pressured to just not take a break. Because when we take a break, we feel guilty to take a break, like we can't stop doing things, and the main reason is because of social media and like so many things out there pushing us, right? No matter if it's our parents or if it's the pressure to just create crazy things, because with the internet nowadays, there's so many people like you can see those teenagers like on LinkedIn creating crazy startups, and then you feel like you're missing out, right? Because you're not maximizing your you know teenage years and getting financial freedom and things like that. So, yeah, just like applying Ryan's framework on the ARAE. So just being aware first of the pressure and then reprogramming it. Let's actually run through this framework right now, Ryan, together.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. You want me to run through it, or you want to apply it in your situation?

SPEAKER_01

We could do it, we could do it together, you know. Um let's let's start with the A. So awareness. We could do one letter each, and then we could like take turns going around. That'll be super fun, and then we can add on to each other stuff. Yeah, so awareness. I'm aware that I'm facing lots of pressure, so then I have the feeling of constantly being rushed, and I'm also aware that anxiety is coming up, and sometimes this is leading to sleep disorders, and it also leads to irrational choices because at times when I'm like unintentionally trying to do something, it doesn't put like 100% effort into it. And what else? Yeah, there's also awareness on how other people are impacted because of my irrational decisions, because this anxiety basically fuels me to make comparisons with others, so then I'm unable to fully open myself to others and you know be vulnerable because I have to always wear a mask every day. So then if we try to reprogram that.

SPEAKER_02

So let's stay on the awareness for a bit here, Oscill. Um you know, I hear a lot of the words that um more like the doing and the and um you know like how other people feel, right? And what what's the situation? So you're describing how you feel, you're aware how how how how it is. Um haven't really heard uh how much you're aware of your feeling, how does all this make you feel tired?

SPEAKER_01

I think that that's a really good word, it makes me feel tired even though on the outside it it drives lots of action, but then it makes me do a lot of irrelevant stuff, like especially mentally mental fatigue. I think that's a that's a huge one.

SPEAKER_02

Mm-hmm. So mental fatigue, tired is like a physical tired or a different type of tired.

SPEAKER_01

Because it doesn't align like when you think of something mentally, but then your body doesn't follow it because you start to feel like something's off, but then your brain is having this fear, so then you still want to continue pursuing it.

SPEAKER_02

And that kind of to misalign. That's a very important um um point. Uh, and most people like like if when when we start to aware, right, alignment is one of the big things. Right. I we always see why why we have stress and burned out is because our mind and our heart and our action are fully misaligned. Well, we think one thing, our heart feels one thing, and we do the third things. Isn't it? And that is one of um a really good telltale sign that we when we misalign between our mind, heart and actions, that will this misalignment will create um uh um stress and create uh everything that is negative in our energy field. So misalignment, right tired emotionally, how does it make you feel?

SPEAKER_01

Unstable? Because it's like our moods fluctuate a lot all the time. Like in one point you can be super excited, but in another point you start to feel like depressed, shameful, guilty of something, so it's really unstable, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, very good. So, you know, on awareness, like on the aware part of the framework, usually it's take the longest. And I would encourage people to take time to do the awareness, it's not just like five minutes, come up with a reason and then move on to the next step. Sometimes it takes days, and sometimes it might come back because the awareness part is almost like a research, like exercise to research what's going on, but it's not just through your mind and ego to try to figure it out what's all the external factors, which you just did, Bosco, right? But the internal factors usually comes up in a slower way, um, and that's when like we if we you know like always being busy, always want to get things done, which is how like the society you know um mold us to do, then we miss a lot of the information uh inside us, right? So that awareness takes more time and it you know go deeper, and that is why we say you know, breathing exercise, meditation, some sort of um exercise that kind of calm ourselves in order to find that that takes time. So that is the awareness part, the longest of the four, and um it needs to go deeper. Should it like a research exercise?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I find journaling hard.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. Especially journaling without thinking. So we call that auto-writing. Have you heard of heard of that terms? No, so auto-writing. Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm thinking about like autopilot, so then you just dump all your thoughts into like the journal no matter how crazy it is, and just don't stop.

SPEAKER_02

No, you don't have to write you don't have to think of the you know grammatically correct, right? No sentence structure, just keep writing without thinking. That auto-writing, it really brings in how you feel, but because it actually then it's come from the heart, it's come from intuition.

SPEAKER_01

I can imagine how hard it will be. Like you know how we always try to like correct those grammar mistakes all the time because we're we're we're trained academically. Yeah, Matt, you're nodding ahead.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. So so that that journal is only for you yourself to it's not it's not not only for yourself to read, but it's like for your spirit, for your soul to express. So it's a different way, so it's not you know bringing into the English class.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Yeah, Matt, do you have any like specific practices that you like to do yourself?

SPEAKER_00

Um with respect to the ARAE framework or uh in general?

SPEAKER_01

Well, just in general, like with like increasing awareness.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, uh I'll let me talk a little bit about some of the other things that I uh read and learned about in Ryan's book. Um so one of them is um to really kind of be present, right? And to trust yourself, trust the universe, and um and there's a certain amount of, of course, in all of us, of remembering, reminiscing, and there's a certain amount of planning and anticipating and and fearing or expecting. Um and in the moment, being present in the moment is is really it sounds like you know, it's trite. People say it all the time. Um, but it's in those times when if you really focus on um being aware of what's around you, the colors, the sounds, the temperature, how certain things feel, or when you walk, or um, you know, what when you observe something, what comes up for you physically, emotionally, and really spending time with that. And you know, in meditation, um we learn a lot about how to really interact with the world in general. So if you if you meditate and you get practiced at being able to recognize when something's coming in, something's coming up for you that's making you anxious or physically uncomfortable or something, you can recognize it, stop, and and be aware, become aware of it, say, wow, oh, okay, something's affecting me right now. What is that? Maybe I need to stop and listen with my heart or with my physical being and let it talk to me. Um and then you can uh those are times when you become more um receptive to what's happening in the world, what's happening in the universe, where the energy is. Um, and that really helps develop your physical nature, your somatic sensibility. Um, that was another thing in in the book as well. I I tend to be in my head a lot. I tend to process most of the world um through my thinking, my logic brain. And um in the book really kind of talks about how to lead with your heart, how to lead with love, and how to uh embrace the your physical sensibility, which is something that we learned in our coaching um certification course as well. And that's really helpful for me because you know, you your gut, your intuition, like anything else, if you listen to it, if you embrace it, if you work with it, uh practice it, then you get better at it and you make better decisions, and you don't have to second guess yourself or judge yourself or um shame yourself uh as much because you're you're you're more comfortable in real time responding in a way that is gonna be mindful and wise um and healthy uh and with the right type of energy.

SPEAKER_02

There's also met you know, one thing I want to just add on uh a couple comments that you mentioned, and it's just gonna give everyone more context. Why heart is important, and when we think about it, our mind and our brain, you kind of think of it, the mind is to control our ego self, which is good with execution, which is good with um getting things done, but it's not good with doing making strategy and making big decisions. Right? And our brain is actually very narrow in terms of focus, you can only see what is in front of us. So it's kind of like at the bottom of the mountain in the base camp of a mountain. Where the heart, which we seldom use and we're never really taught to use it correctly, our heart actually is the brain for our soul, if you you know like think of it that way. And the heart actually have a much bigger energetic field, like magnetic field um uh that is resonate with the entire um earth and the universe. So the heart actually do the strategy much better. So you think of the heart intelligence is sitting at the top of the mountain, and our brain is sitting at the base camp. So that's kind of like the vision that I share with people, or that why we want to cultivate our heart intelligence and use our heart to make big decisions, and use our brain to execute the big decision that the heart made, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Do you guys have any any examples of like big decisions that you guys made where like meditation and using your heart um really like transformed or really gave you like the intuition? I mean, considering that you guys have way more life experience than me.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well, I definitely have a lot, but I would love to share one uh client experience on this. So when I was um coaching her, um this person uh from China and moved to Japan for work, right? And as but the work didn't like go, it's not what she expected. It's like both culturally and in the country and the work itself, right? And it was but because You know, like she's in the climbing the corporate letter, like per se, or like you know, like working really well, like I'm doing a good job, I want to keep continuing. Right. So the brain is driving the decision of like, hey, I must work this out, right? I moved here, I must get this right, otherwise, I would be a failure, isn't it? Like many of us would think. And then when we start going through the sessions and asking her sinking back to the heart, right, and they start to realize there is what we talk about, the mind. Think one thing, I really want to succeed in this job because I committed to it. Right. The heart say, I really don't feel right about this. Um, I don't feel right in the country, I don't feel right with the team, something is missing. Right? But the action, and then it's like, but I will just do it. Like, it's not even to the point, the action is not even following the mind that I want to succeed. It's like because the action is just like I want to I just need to survive. Like I just one day at a time, like the mind says I want to succeed, the heart says I actually don't belong here. Like, so it's like completely fully different situation until that when we collapse the mind back into the heart, and then she's like, oh wait, yeah, actually. So this person starts to admit that what her heart truly feels, and the what's the magic things happen is when her heart truly feels it, and she expresses it with her language, then the situation kind of moved around in a way that she didn't have to do anything. So what happened? It ends up that you know she actually um uh the company uh gave her a choice rather she wants to leave and or stay in the country, but if she leaves, she actually gets extra money to leave, right? So it's like that's great. So she gets the extra money, she leaves, she moves back, and then when she goes back to where she and like and then she found another job, which now she loves, right? And recently when I speak to her, she was actually so happy with her new job, with her new life, right, and have a really clear direction how she can be actually retire in five years before she's even hit 40 years old, right, and then you know know what to do next. So that for me is a great success story on how to uh acknowledge the misalignment between mind, heart, and actions, and then bringing everything back to the heart, express it exactly how she wanted and and what really happened. And then you don't even have to do it. Much of the environment starts to move um according to her heart resonant or according to her heart intelligence. So I yeah, I really like um that that uh um story of my client.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'd like to share something too that's um related. The the the mind uh tends to create narratives that um that then can crew can cause emotions, right? So, you know, if you're you're nervous and I can speak from experience, I've I've been looking for a uh a new job here for a while. And this um this book came along at a good time because it's been very difficult in many ways in this environment. Um and and some of the things that I've learned from Awakened Purpose have really helped me get through it in a way that's more kind of healthy and um and loving. And so the mind creates narratives um like fear, and it says, wow, you this really bad things could happen. You know, something bad could happen if if you don't get lucky or you this this other thing doesn't happen, you don't make this work, and so it generates you know anxiety in uh and and in emotions, and that also can then result in physical um problems. So here is the energy where your mind is creating something that's kind of a negative um energy that then creates an emotion that makes you feel worse than you you need to, and then you physically become uh you know affected by that as well. And um so I've learned the ability to recognize that when and and pivot from there, and as Ryan says in the book, to learn to make decisions and live from a place of love uh instead of fear. Um and so you know, you rationalize it, you think about what the mind's telling you, what is this narrative? And like to use Ryan's analogy, that's the that's the narrative from the base camp. The base camp can't see everything that we can see with our heart. So I kind of take that in and say, yes, that's really scary. If those things happen, that would be really bad. Um, I recognize that, and I'm doing everything I can to prevent that outcome and to ensure hopefully a more positive outcome. And so I'm doing what I can. And the only thing right now that would change me from feeling scared and anxious um is myself, is my ability to say, okay, I'm gonna instead I'm gonna feel um comfortable and confident that things will work out, that the universe will provide for me, and then if bad things happen, I'll be able to respond at the time. But I don't need to determine how I would respond to every bad thing that might happen right now because that's a lot of wasted energy. It's like you said that um that uh Bosco that you know you if you have a lot of stress and anxiety, it's it's exhausting, right? It's depleting. And so um instead, I want to nourish myself. I want to look be optimistic and operate from a place of love. And I found in many situations where there were times when I had a very hard time sleeping, I would wake up restless and anxious and scared, and then I would just say, okay, you know what? I'm just gonna let that go. And I'm gonna assume that things will work out and enjoy what I have, live from you know, uh abundance, enjoy the abundance I have and not dwell on the scarcity or the fear and the anxiety. Um and it and it's it's all it's all in here. It's there's there's no external force that changed how I process things. It was all just the ability to, I guess, reprogram and accept it and evolve from there, you know, to use the ARAE framework.

SPEAKER_02

Um and the reprogramming thing, one thing I want to add to this is is actually a lot of it's quite uh paradoxical. Why I said that, right? Fear, like you know, what both of you mentioned, the fear of a lot of it's like missing out, like the fear, the anxiety comes in. Right? The the the opposite of it, right in which I also mentioned in the book, is because we love certain things so much, that is why the fear comes about. And a lot of the time we think the initially we think it's a we love like uh we want a financial stability, but behind it, because we love certain things, we love our own life, we love ourselves, we love our family, we want to provide, right? Um, we love our parents, we don't want to disappoint them, right? And that's the love that's causing that fear, right? But then we choose to focus on the fear and not the love, and therefore it creates that negative impact. So, one of the reframing, it is about focusing on the opposite of whatever negative emotion there is every time, whatever that's negative, there is a positive that it comes with it. That is just the law of the universe, and there's the cause and effect, and there is always the both sides. It's our choice to decide which side of the coin we want to um focus on. So if we focus on is the love of our family, is the love of self and and is the love of our parents, then all of a sudden it's like, okay, so from this love, how can I what can I do? What else can I do? Then we start to reframe uh into like many different other creative options and not stuck on one way of doing things. Um and the other paradoxical thought, and I and and when Matt mentioned about like confidence, and I always jokingly say that when someone says I'm lack of confidence, and then I would challenge them and say, but you are very confident about that you lack of confidence. So you are very confident about something, obviously. So the confidence is there, it's just like what's your confidence to what's what do you focus on? So so that's the paradox in life, in everything, that actually if you start to aware everything has the opposite side, and everything is a paradox that you can always refrain.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's about the manifestation. So if you visualize something positive, then you automatically attract it into our lives and with the visioning, and the one very common thing that we're always told, like, especially in like the Chinese culture, is something called Xinfu Hautin. So in English it is pain first and then joy, and I think this is definitely one factor that has been keeping a lot of teenagers and a lot of young people to just keep going on the grind, right? We're not supposed to be enjoying the journey because the destination is the final point, like that's where we're going to get the reward. But then we really need to shift that mindset because it's more about the journey itself. We we gotta enjoy doing what we actually do, and then afterwards, like the destination is just a bonus, it's like a cherry on the cake.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, absolutely. Right. The that that saying, the pain, no pain, no gain, pain has to come first, and all those I think is a it came from somewhere, right? It came from our lineage, like our ancestors, and everything that we went through as um human species, right? Uh, but it was all trauma-based that you know lead to where we are today, is installed in our you know, body, in our DNA, right? But that actually is not our the natural how energy works. Right. Energy is just like you just it goes with the flow, it doesn't go with the blockage. If we understand energy, if you block the energy, it doesn't work, period. It must go with the flow. So the no pain, no gain, is a in in a world that we understand if we are a physical, it only is in a physical form. That was how we were under how how we understand the world. But as we now evolve into a higher consciousness, right, have better understanding of who we are, remembering of who we are, that we are both a physical and an energetic being. Then all of a sudden it's like, wait a minute, if I am actually energy, and energy make a big difference, it must throw, then the no pain, no gain actually doesn't it work against the throw.

SPEAKER_01

I think with this energy field, there's definitely going to be more research and more studies on this topic because right now like we're all so physically manifesting things like with science in general.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think it's a it it the we have to catch up, right? Because even back then Nicola Tesla have already said that a long time ago. If we want to understand life, we want to understand everything is from vibration, is from frequency. So and and I think quantum physics really helps us to see the quantum level uh the quantum essence of us, that how there is the non-physical things that is going on. And so I think it's just a matter of us catching up and learn. And how do we learn? There's a lot of information out there, and I think that rather on waiting for another prominent person talk about something with AI, that's one thing I love about AI. Go do research, use AI, right? Go use internet, just do research on understanding what is quantum means to you, right? What is energy and how does us relate, uh how does a human related to the quantum physics, how does it, how does all being and how physics will evolve, and in in in fact, actually, once we understand the true nature of quantum, physics as a subject, as an academic subject, become obsolete in a way, because the physic does not really the traditional, right, the conventional physics does not really accept quantum um um the work side of the world. So, and there is so much debate around it, and there is also so much because the system kind of has to protect themselves, and they would say, well, no, there's like what we can do, what can we not do, what should we believe what we do. Like, so my suggestion is always do your own research, be your own scientist. Um now the tool is available for us to do all this on our own. Um so be curious.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And speaking more about like sounds in general, Matt, I know that you're a drummer. And um Ryan, I also know that your wife does like sound bowl, and I personally like play the piano. And it seems like sound plays like a huge role in our lives. Like, is is it is there something to do with like the essence of the sound?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. Um actually we um like what my wife is doing with uh sound healing, and like um they actually call it almost a sound medicine. But medicine, not in you know, treating your fruit, right? Or or like those types of medicines, but it's an energetic medicine. Sound creates a certain vibration, and each vibration it resonates. Like I was telling you, our heart have a resonant with the earth frequency, there is an electromagnetic field, and each sound, like like different frequency and different vibration, they also have resonance with our body, and it helps us to unbrock uh the energy within our body, like there's a lot of stuck energy, so and it's uh similar when you look at traditional Chinese medicine, right? They do acupuncture, right? And acupuncture goes into your meridian, it's kind of the similar, like they unbrock the energy. So in Eastern philosophy and traditional Chinese medicine, I think like people grew up in in Asia, most of us we understand energy in general because like this is part of our like deep culture, right? And sound also is doing the same thing, like it's like when you play piano and when you go into an orchestra, I love uh kind of classical music, right? And you go into orchestra, that vibration, and I think like Matt, you're you you're a drummer, you're in a band yourself, right? So we are all like in somewhat like music and sound definitely like make us feel something, right? Um, and but then it can both make us feel good and brock, and also it can make us feel anxious, make us feel like um like or brainwashing, like um jingle, like commercial jingle, is a very interesting way to play with sound to make sure that we remember uh certain things that we the jingle comes up, and then I'm gonna go to this uh uh supermarket and grocery store to buy stuff. Um so so music and sound definitely make a big difference. But we if we are not aware and if we're not conscious, then no sound is just kind of like in our background and actually could manipulate us. But we've when we become aware, then sound is a beautiful medicine uh to help us emotionally. Um and my wife and we and and we fully prescribe and subscribe to sound because my wife herself she went through um uh a lot of them childhood trauma which actually finally fully released because of sound healing. So so yeah, so we like it it's definitely a uh important part of our uh life, right? Not saying that sound can fix everything, but it definitely helped with uh rebalancing our emotion, right? To keep to create a better flow in our energy, uh which is you know more to like to your point, Bosco, more like science required uh to continue to validate. But I also say science is two thousand years like a lack in terms of understanding a lot of the things that is happening holistically that's a very interesting point that you bring up because a lot of the times like you can see people when you're walking around the street, they're plugged in to their phone and they're like wearing an AirPod.

SPEAKER_01

And I would say like 90% of them, if they're not in a meeting, then they're listening to music. And a lot of the times they background all of the music, so to a certain extent, that really isn't doing anything, but then just programming you to feel what the music is because I know a lot of people who listen to like unhappy music, like you know, those like sad songs because their lives aren't feeling too good, and then they don't have anyone to talk to, and it just makes them comfortable to a certain extent. So it's really about how you use a sound, which is interesting. Like, is there is is there two different types of sound? Like one is more like pure sound, and then the other one is sounds that are artificial.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, yes, yes. Like actually you it is there, is artificial sound, especially the commercial jingle, is is like the people who study sound, who study frequency, understand uh what type of frequency and jingle and herst uh behind the scene that actually can brainwash us, right? Um, but for laymen that we are not a sound expert, we wouldn't know. Right? So so so the only way is going back to the heart. Do we truly feel that how does that music make me feel, right? Sometimes maybe it's neutral and that's okay. Um listening to a sad song is not a problem by itself if we know what to do with our sadness. Sadness and all emotion is information for us to tell us that oh, there is something blocked in us, there is a blockage, and there is something that needs to be released, um, whatever that is, then the sadness comes up, and we go through the sadness, we can then understand, we can say, Okay, I know this sadness, I don't know why, but I would nurture this feeling. And as I nurture this feeling, I say, I see you, I'm not gonna push you away, and you keep nurturing it, and eventually the the feeling itself is saying, okay, thank you for nurturing me. I am okay to leave my body, I'm okay to be released, right? And that is one part of the reprogramming that we talk about like in my book as well, is this reprogramming. But if we just listen to a sad song and continue to spiral down, and we're almost addicted to this sad feeling and don't want to get out of it, then become like a drug, right? So sound is important, but more important is consciously how are we using that sound? How does consciously knowing how that sound, how that music makes us feel, and what do we do with that feeling?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I I um am very musical, I would say, or I'd say music is a big part of my life. I've been singing since I was a little boy, and I started playing the drums in my 40s. Um and so now I play with a rock band. Probably we perform about once a month and we we practice frequently. And it it was, you know, for me, it's it's just really joyful and it's a great release. Um, it's a helpful way to process my emotions, to sing and to play the drums. Certainly, playing the drums is also a physical activity that lets me release some energy. And um, as Ryan said, make sure the energy isn't stopping, right? You go down and bang on drums for an hour, um, you feel differently. Um, and when we perform, that's a whole other level of, I guess, reward or energy because the audience just really appreciates live music. Um, and you there's just there's a certain a heightened amount of energy flow in a in a room where the the band's playing and people are dancing and they're singing along, uh, really kind of lifts up all spirits in a way where um whatever any individual came to that event with, you know, whatever burdens they had, emotional or physical um burdens, uh, can be temporarily um supported and you know, delayed or set aside because of the music and as a kind of collective, we're all in this together, regardless of age or political background or race or religion. Um, people are dancing and enjoying the music. And it's really rewarding, rewarding for me to be on stage to recognize I'm having as much fun as anybody in here, and I'm I'm able to help all of these people enjoy themselves and feel better about life and themselves for a brief period of time. So it's really powerful. Um, and I don't know as much, I'm learning about the vibrations and um, you know, from a scientific perspective, how that also uh works with our energy flow and how um certain chords um in music, certain chords like major chords, and bring imbue kind of a more uplifting, positive, expansive feeling. And certain chords like minor chords, they say, and you might know this, Bosco, from from playing the keys, um they they kind of bring give you a little bit of more of a darker or um a more um subdued kind of feeling. And so, you know, songs some songs are purposefully written that way, where if the lyrics are if it's a sad song or if it's about something that was painful, it might be written in minor chords, and so you're not just hearing it, processing it cognitively, what the lyrics are telling you, but your body is sensing that and picking up on that as well, and it's and it aligns and it helps you feel whatever the the uh artist was um trying to convey. Um it's really it's really powerful communication.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and I think you know, Matt, one thing you mentioned that the release, at least like temporary in the concert, and I think I think actually it can be more than that, it could be permanently released, but if especially if the artists set that intention. It's like every jump, every beat, I am releasing, you know, all my audience with this emotion. That intention is is very positive and it goes through energetically. And and I think that you know, like what you guys do in live concert is like so much love to give out and really trust that that is not a temporary uh fix, that is a permanent release that people truly feel good, like it actually rewrite their bass line.

SPEAKER_00

I agree, it's like it's like musical or um auditory acupuncture.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, yes, yes, exactly. So rather is piano, like rather is classical music, rather is sound healing, right? They all have those type of elements, but it's really important is about the intention of the artist, right? How is the what is the the um um the fundamental what the artist wants to you know share, right? It's just share from the heart, right? And as long as sharing from the heart, those will be good, right? If it's fully commercialized, I share it, I write a song because I know if I hit this five rhythm and then it will be commercialized, everyone likes it. That is commercialized uh music that might not have the right intention. The right that those intentions is to just get popularity. But once we listen with our hearts, we can tell which song, like what artists is come from the heart. Like they really want to heal the world, right? Like Michael Jackson is one of like a very good example. Yeah. He truly wants to heal the world, you can hear it from the song, right? So so that would be like it doesn't matter whether it's pop music or not, but like what the artist meant. So that's a lot of reframing that we talk about, like in a different sense, right? Uh Bosco, but like, but then like it it actually it can all kind of go fit into the framework. It's just like how do we reframe our thinking? How do we see the world differently and clearly and consciously? Then by throwing through that, then every actions that we take become a reframing of how we feel.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I think a really big part as well, is transitioning to another really juicy topic with teenagers is like especially when we're going through the puberty period, there's a lot of like romantic relationship or romantic attraction um happening. And like especially with this generation, it's as it's more tricky because you know you got the online world, you got like different dating sites, even though I don't really use dating sites, and like there's social media and everything causing all these different comparisons and things like that, and then we expect that there's going to be like a specific way to attract the other gender. Like, for example, there's like specific texting times. Like I remember I I I used to like to like there's going to be like this um what's it called? This pre cons preconception that if you text someone instantly back, then like you're someone who is always available, right? So then you need to like wait for a couple hours or wait for a day, so then you show that you're like not interested, but also interested. Like there's lots of different like mind games that you can go with this text.

SPEAKER_02

Then it's not only teenagers that possible as like across the age rather than you're you know 17 or 67. Uh yeah, it's the same. It's just exactly the same. Yeah, when I was uh younger, they said the three days rule. You don't call back for three days. Oh, really? Yeah, every every generation of the same, like similar but different, slightly different technology, but same.

SPEAKER_01

Hmm. Yeah, these are just like interesting stuff because what I've started to learn is like just accepting, like accepting who you are, like even though I mean I think there's two two ways to think about it. Like one way is like you have your own way and it will automatically like come to you because you just have to accept who you are. And the other one is like, but if everyone is wearing this mask and playing this game, then you you're kind of pressured to play this game, right?

SPEAKER_02

No, that's I think that is where most of us fell into the trap, right? Um, and when we are not aware. And I think that is very, very normal for all of us, right? Because we the society and you know, the culture, everything is like actually like it's a mass culture, right? Especially in Asia, is more e even more, right? We must behave a certain way, right? We don't want to like let down how you know the parents like we have to look good in front of the parents, makes our parents look good, right? Certain cars, certain clothes, certain everything. Like I think you mentioned using the word mask, it's very important. We have all masks up, and that leads to the mind, heart, and action misalignment. Um but I also think that, and I think in the past five years or so, and I'm really happy we are going down this path, right? It talks a lot more about vulnerability, it talks more about authenticity, right? And and I think this too is um the beginning for us to unmask ourselves, to really to be truly who we are, because when we become truly who we are, then it's your first path, right? We attract whoever people um that that like really attract to our true self. And that alignment is very I think it's actually the only way to live, to be. The masked version is it's not the way, it can't be the way to how we be. Right? It's like asking a rose or asking a a a tree to be a rose. Because everyone loves roses, right? And and everyone doesn't like trees. So hey, all the trees have become roses from today. They can't live that way, right? So it's the it's really the same thing. So accept, like accepting who we really are is become one of like I think the this era, the most important things that we have and I think this conversation might not even need it maybe 20 years later. Problem right now is just that we are transitioning from a masked culture to a unmasked culture, then and teenagers parents is still having a lot of mass inference that that it's like hey, you you need to do it a certain way. But the teenagers actually, a lot of the younger generation, they know like the authenticity, like I just want to be myself. So that that is going on as well. That is like this transitioning going on. Um but seeing into the future, we know that authenticity, if I'm a tree, I'm a tree. If I'm a rose, I'm a rose. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'll I'll I'll share with you something that I I um use with my coaching clients. And this is something I've learned that uh can apply to any age, any person, but I think it's particularly resonant and applicable for, as you mentioned, Bosco, for your audience, for teenagers, for people who are going through puberty, who are just starting to adult and experience the world for themselves. That um first and foremost, to love love yourself. Who you are, how you are. Um you're enough, no matter what you or your friends, your family, or other people, the haters might think about you. You are enough. You're good enough as you are, and you are always gonna be the person who knows you the best, who loves you the best, who has the greatest opportunity to take care of you and to support you is yourself. Um and it's easy to say, it's hard to do, I know, when there's so much pressure to be different or be someone else or put on a mask. Um, but the the truth is that you know, the sooner we learn that, and the sooner we develop the ability for that self-love, the ability to really genuinely love ourselves, hold, hold ourselves, um, respect ourselves, you know, support ourselves, uh, uh appreciate what we're experiencing and how it hurts sometimes and how scary it can be. And just kind of give yourself a hug when you need it, literally. Um that uh helps helps you strengthen your your confidence and your resolve and your your your um your confidence in your own judgment. And then, you know, maybe it stems the need, we all have a need for um uh for um acceptance or for um a confirmation, validation from other people. But if we're good at accepting and validating ourselves, maybe we don't need as much. So we don't tend to need to put masks on because we're seeking um acceptance and we're seeking that um you know that uh support that externally. Um and so one of the things that that that that I do and that I recommend to others again at any age is to create a playlist of love songs, songs that um you really enjoy, that really make you feel good when you sing them or hear them or listen to them, but that you think about it as singing them to yourself, or that the artist is singing them to you. Um and so instead of singing, you know, feeling a love song for someone you might be hoping to date or your partner, um, when you need it once in a while, listen to that love song for yourself and give yourself a little support, give yourself a break and a hug. Um, and then you know, over time, maybe you develop that ability. So you don't need it from others as much. And and as you probably know, um those people who project that kind of energy, who project that kind of energy that they're they're okay with themselves, they're not wearing a mask, they're confident, um they attract the kind of people that they want to be whom they want to be around. They attract that kind of energy from other people. Other people find them they they want to be around them because they have something, they know something that the rest of us don't, right?

SPEAKER_02

I love that. I gotta start my playlist. Yeah, that playlist. The self-love playlist.

SPEAKER_01

Self-love playlist, that's right.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, the other thing, you know, like I from my experience when I was young, I have um fair share of um dating experiences. And I would say that, you know, if I look back now, you know, as a 47 years old self, looking back, every relationship that I more like more so like like a force, like not a force, but kind of like that I really, really want, like I really, really want to, you know, get into this relationship that that is like um uh almost like a control that I I want to control, like I almost like work too hard, like the no pain, no gain. I work too hard to gain one though those relationships. Those are the worst relationships that I had every time. And if I think back, the best relationship and my current relationship is with my wife, it's just so natural. Nothing has like it's like when it's right, it's like nothing has to be done actually, because the energy is working correctly, right? The resonance is working correctly, right? And then so once the two persons get together, even when we have disagreements, right, and when we have challenges, it's very natural that you know, you know, you know, in the moment you might get angry, but by the time you go to bed, you will know that okay, we'll just work this out, like it's part of our learning as a couple, but we will never have that resentment that that um I will leave this person. They will never have that. So so that is like from my experiences every time when a relationship happens naturally, right, then it you know you you know when you know it, but if it's a force, if I have to put on a mask to attract someone, that always fails in the long run. So we can try, you can put on a mask in the social media and in a dating app. Um you might get some like short-term game, uh, but so depending on what game you want to play.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Another thing with like authenticity in general, like of the times when we start to like learn about these different tools, like talking about these tools, like these, you know, like human design, astrology, gene keys, like all of these stuff. Right, there's this certain sense that it's just too true that it's speaking about us, and then to a certain point you also start to question whether or not that's actually legit, or whether you want to like try and also escape it, right? Because you know that something is tying your own design. And yeah, yeah, it's just something that came up, you know. Like I've been thinking about that as well. Like, why are we always trying to escape something when we know that something is real? Like, why are we always trying to prove ourselves wrong?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. It's like it's it's a lot of it's is our ego mind, right? The heart is the brain of our soul, and the mind and the brain is the uh brain of our our ego. Right? Ego always wants to run the show because it has been, we actually have been feeding our ego for for our entire lifetime and for like centuries. So ego thought, you know, and the base cam thought I know everything. So it never accepts when something we so-called kind of slightly predetermined, slightly saying that hey, in the human design or in the gene key, you have this trade, and but you can this trade can hand how you evolve from this trade and how you can best work with your trade. Right, and the ego mind in the base camera is like this is BS. I can you know create my own path, I can do this, and no one can tell me what to do, isn't it? So that's the ego speaking, right? But if you actually go back to the heart and consciously study you know this type of tool, she was like, oh yeah, actually, a lot of this is exactly even though like when you know ego, it's like and I you just go through you know the years and and behavior that we have you know been through. It's like that is so true. Yes, this is my shadow, I can feel it, I can hear it, and now so so I think it's like one is how much do we accept and actually be clear about the aware, yes, this is my shadow and accept them, and this is how and this is my strength, and how I can use it. So it's then we can go with the throw, which I talk about, like like that energetically we f go with the throw. The ego, like the is the no pain, no game um um uh training, that's like no, I go against the fro because this is what I think it should do. So I don't trust all these predetermined things that is going on. So that's really what's what is in play.

SPEAKER_01

Interesting. Yeah, so it's like your mind talking about that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah, I think self awareness is a is a uh very important trait to cultivate. Um you know, if you're aware of um your yourself and how you behave, how you respond, what what Which things in life make you happy, which things drain your energy, or make you scared or anxious, which people drain your energy. You know, that's really helpful, and you can set boundaries which are healthy. But you can also recognize, as Ryan said, your shadow. You can recognize some things that where you are maybe tempted to put on a mask. And I learned something when I was a young adult. I was an introvert. I was still an introvert, I guess, uh to some degree. And going to social events, um I enjoyed my friends, of course, and I enjoyed the time with them and and and the um you know being being away from work and just kind of having nothing to worry about. But I would get exhausted um with that interaction, with that energy. Part of it was because I I would would be holding space for people, or I would be expressing myself in ways that I'm wasn't completely comfortable. Um, or I would have to listen and um be a good listener um for folks while they were sharing their experiences with me, which takes a lot of energy. Um and I would get exhausted, and I had to learn over time that I can I can accept only a certain number of social events in my calendar, which is far less than extroverts and other people who actually get energy, they get recharged by interacting socially with others. Um, I need to fill my tank in other ways because that type of social interaction tends to drain me and empty my tank. So, you know, it took me a long time to learn that. Um, and and it took me longer after that to establish some boundaries and recognize how to avoid putting myself in situations that um that were suboptimal for my own health, my own, you know, um happiness.

SPEAKER_02

And mess on this one. I I have to debunk one thing that is very interesting that happened to me recently. So I was pretty much the same way. Um, but I am probably I can be extrovert if I want to, but it's kind of like um for a period of time, not too long. But so last year when I well went on an Egypt trip, right? I and me and my wife we never go on a trip as a big group, right? Where it's always on our own, free and easy. Um because we are on this uh spiritual trip, um, and the only option is to with an out of 40 people. I fell off the chair when my wife said that we're gonna sign up for this. Like, there's no way I'm gonna be with 40 people for 17 days. No way, no way, no way. That's not possible. Like, I gotta die. Like both of us are gonna die. Like there's like I can we can hardly you know go out with six people for more than four hours. Like, how are we gonna deal with that? Right. And then 17 days later, we were full of energy. I was like, so we gave people it's like, huh, what just happened? We were s every day we woke up like and it's not like an easy trip. We're talking about waking up like four sometimes 4 a.m. in the morning, and we end the day at like 10, 8 p.m. and you only have six hours of sleep, and then the next morning you do the same thing, like and with 40 of us. It's like, how is that possible? How are we still have energy? So we end up conclusion, like our conclusion is the following, right? First, are we with the right people? Right, does the right people have with the right energy, right? And because this is a group that we like uh we do you know healing together, we have the same uh spiritual journey, uh, we grow up like self-um development and self-discovery together. So everything was very like the flow happened very like naturally, so then we realized that, and and actually I came up with a conclusion that all we are introverts in the existing society because a lot of the time the energy doesn't drive with um our own energy, but when we actually find your right support group, we are all extrovert. I think that the introvert extrovert is like is it's a blame because certain of like we just like go in the wrong group, or not in the wrong group, but like we are not finding the same like like mind like energy, not even like-minded, it's like right energy people, but it what so so so that's what my discovery that and I would challenge people like when you find your right energy group of people, you will always throw and you become naturally extrovert. And I start when when I start to like freely dance in front of like 40 people, people are just like, Oh, this is a new Ryan.

SPEAKER_01

Right, yeah, and also see with like extroverts in general, there are some extroverts where they're just extroverted in other situations, and it's because of some kind of fear they're trying to please someone, right? They're trying to not be their own selves, that's why they're being extroverted. I think that's very different from being truly extroverted in that situation versus pretending to be extroverted because there's some kind of unconscious trauma that you haven't released, or some kind of shadow that's lingering around.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think that it's very important as part of the acceptance journey, right? Find the people that you know really accept you who for who you are, as well as you know, your soulmate, your best friends, right? That group. There you will always like we always have one or two friends that you can completely like unmask and just talk about everything. Right? Those are the people that you will always feel that oh, actually, I can talk to this person for anything. So find those people who support the you know the acceptance journey.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think that's right to to um touch on what uh both of you said, um, you know, Bosco, with people who might not be extroverts, but they're behaving like they are. That's a type of mask, right? And and Ryan, maybe what you're saying is when you're around people uh with whom you don't have to put on a mask, then it's not uh a matter of introvert, extrovert. It's not um, it's the energy flow is more free. It's it's um it's easier, they're easier, I call it easy company, right? You have easy company, these are people who know you and love you, and you it's okay to be, you don't have to put a mask on, it's okay to be yourself, to be vulnerable. They've seen you, they still support you and love you. And so you don't have to put a mask on, and I think it's the mask that that um that is depleting, that is, that causes um you know you to expand energy in a way that uh uh might be tiring or or unpleasant. Um because you have to you have to pretend instead of just relaxing and being letting your your natural energy flow.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And one thing with adults that I hope, you know, um Bosco, your generation don't take pick on pick up too much, is adults have a for some reason always have to be very serious. Like serious is a grow-up thing. It's to man up, right? It's to be serious. And I for many years, of course I do that. Like, well, okay, I'm gonna be serious, I'm gonna learn to cough, I wanna do this, right? Like, and start to learn to drink whiskey, do cigar, right? And all the serious things that double 07 would do to make it look cool. But and and and when I gone through that, but then if I really unmask myself, I'm like a little kid. I'm like a child, like I I enjoy doing fun things, I enjoy watching cartoons. Like I am I I I am the most silly person at home, which I'm really grateful that my wife accepted me that way. Right? But like but like but as an adult when you as soon as you walk out the door, there is certain seriousness that we all have to put that mask. And I really try to unmask that that part, right, and be more silly around everyone, and which I could do with you know like the like when I go on the trip which I mentioned to you in the Egypt trip, that I feel unmasked. I can I can actually be myself, I can do silly stuff, and people are okay with it. And I think that is also and I that's one thing I hope, you know, like uh the younger generation just be the kid self that that like now a lot of the like things like oh no, try to find their inner child, right? Or heal their inner child, and and I was like, why don't you just be your inner child? Yeah, and so yeah, keep your inner child, keep the innocence, and just have that joy so that you don't have to, you know, once you become 40 years old and try to find your inner child again.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I like that. I in Bosco for you and your your audience, um, your generation, the you you're probably starting to feel a lot of pressure to you know be an adult and and all that means, all the challenges and all the stress, and it means being serious, and it means stop you know fooling around and figure out what you want to do with your life. And uh, you know, at my age now I read a lot about um people who live long, healthy lives, um, and certain things that they have in common that they recommend. And this is good, as Ryan said, to never stop doing these things. Um, and that is to, you know, of course, make sure you have a healthy, supportive social network, people who love and care for each other. Um, and the other thing is to have fun and play and don't lose, don't lose the fun child's spirit of playfulness and you know, whatever it is being silly, not always having to wear that mask of being serious and accomplished and everything else. Um, and and like Ryan said, you know, some people have to learn later in life to get in touch with their inner child. I love that you said just just be the inner child, don't don't put it in a in a compartment or a closet somewhere and take it out whenever you feel like you need it, just be yourself, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I think yeah, we have the preconception of other people gonna be caring about us a lot, but then in reality, like everyone's just obsessed with themselves if you think about it. Like you can't really recall like what the other person actually did like two days ago, right? But in in reality, that person might be thinking, Oh, what if this guy's gonna judge me this way? What if that guy's gonna judge me this way? But then no one's gonna actually remember. Like, that's one of the big breakthroughs that I realized, which really made you know be more authentic and just be yourself.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, yes, yes, exactly. That's a great awareness. And then so it's um you know that's kind of closing the loop, then you evolve from from your awareness.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_02

A-R-A-E-A-R-A-E. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then that's the evolve, the breakthrough. Going from the caterpillar to become a butterfly, right? That breakthrough. You can keep staying, become be the caterpillar, or you transform yourself.

SPEAKER_01

Awesome. Because wrapping this episode up, um, I really enjoyed you know the past four episodes with you, Ryan, and this conversation with you, Matt, as well. So I just wanted to ask you, Matt, like, do you have any lingering questions that you still have that we can you know talk about here really shortly before you wrap up this episode?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you know, um I don't know if I have a specific question, but I'm curious about AI, um, largely because of what I learned about it with the book, narrating the book. And I'm really curious how, you know, of course, um you guys in younger generations um probably will experience this the future long after I'm uh you know past. But really curious how AI is going to materialize in terms of this awareness and awakened purpose that you know in the book Ryan talks about how to um make sure that we are um really self-aware and that we're uh being the best people, best humans we can be. Um, because if we're going to be programming artificial intelligence, then we'd like it to be based on the mindful, healthy, loving um parts of humanity and not the destructive, hateful other potential uh elements of it. And and I I really don't know. I don't know what the answer is. I don't feel strongly one way or the other that it's gonna be good, it's gonna be bad, it's gonna be great, it's gonna end civilization. Um but it's interesting in in the book at how Ryan talks to artificial intelligence. Um and I'm really hopeful that um that we can, we the human race, can find ways to continue to interact with technology that we create in ways that uplift us um and that maybe give us, and certainly your generation, Bosco, a brighter future and a future that might have a healthier planet and healthier human relations. Um and a and a more loving outcome for everybody. That's that's my curiosity and my my wish, I guess.

SPEAKER_02

That's beautiful, Matt. I think that AI AI is a mirror of whatever we fed into the AI already, right? So but in it it it it's funny that now like we we look at it's like wow, it's so scary, you know, it has so much bias, it has so much like dangerous potential that you can learn negative things. The only difference and and you know, like when I I'm working with uh AI for humanity, I work with uh AI risk and AI safety. And and when I every time I read those white papers and I realize that, and it's like if I replace the word artificial intelligence with human, they actually have the exact same risk. The only difference is just that AI can do it a thousand times faster than us, and that's what the dangerous things. But the bias and all the risk itself, right, it was innate in our collective consciousness, it's innate in the humanity. That is why AI created, like that's why AI have this flaw, also we could say, right? Or or this uh Tang Sai risk. It's no different. So, and that is why like when I even when I was uh writing my book, it was that like so the only way if AI is a mirror of us, then the only way it just needs to be more of us, really truly consciously bringing love and light to um the humanity, then the AI will start to mirror back. Right in the long run. That is really why, like instead of yeah, I I look at the AI safety, I look at the governance, but the fundamental for me is that human has to change. Human has to wake up uh wake up and to to be aware what is going on, right? And how we upgrade our operating system, it's not the AI operating system. Right? So so then between us upgrading ourselves and so we have more conscious people know how to use AI and how to ask AI question, and then also knowing that when bo AI bully us, we know because we uh have more acceptance of self. We are stronger, we have self-big better foundation, right? And we can use like the framework and to re um uh you know really find who we are, then then we have double protection. Right? One we protect that how we fit AI will continue to have love, and how we protect ourselves that when the OAI, right, the the AI that's already had some flaw in it, that when we talk with AI, we also know how to deal with it. So that is kind of how my hope and you know my you know dedicate my life to work on you know both sides, right? To on the system side as well as on the human side to you know find that you know uh winning formula, right? That for humanity.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Amazing. Yeah, I remember Ryan, you talked about like your vision, how you're going to be working on a couple projects here and there and related to this topic as well. So like just in general, can you share like anything to do with how we're going to help more people, you know, more corporate individuals or just the mass population in general increase this awakening? Like, where do you see this heading towards?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well, there are so many ways, but I you know for your audience and for um every single person, what every single person can do, right? Because we all have a different path, a different career, and a different like uh environment to be impactful, right? But one thing that all of us can do as human beings, right, is really to find that grounding and find how do we become the light and the lighthouse for ourselves and then for other people, right? And what what do I mean by that, right? To be the lighthouse for ourselves is the self-love, right? Is to reprogram ourselves into a conscious being, become the awakened being, right? And knowing that the purpose in life, actually, we haven't like after all this, like uh the book is about awakened purpose, right? And you came to me early on asking me, what is the purpose of my life? I have to find my purpose. The journey of finding the purpose is the purpose of our life, right? The journey of remembering who we really are, that if I am a tree, I will be a fool with the most beautiful tree, the strongest tree that I will become. It's not that I am a tree and I want to become a rose, right? So to realize and accept that I am a tree and become the best tree I can be, that is the purpose in life. And with when you become the best tree that you can be, because you remember that is who you are, that it's worth existing because your existence is only exist because it's worth existing, and then if you become something else, then naturally it becomes not worth existing, and that's why we have all this fear and drama and everything. So the goal for everyone, right, is just to be to remember who you really are, right, and just be the best of who you are. And how do you find that? You through the reprogramming, remove all the values that not belong to you, like really trust yourself, bringing in the network of people that you know accept you to who you are, right? Like always, you know, uh be your inner child, right? All this being, then by itself, when you can become that, how you interact with AI will be very different. How when and then if you some and some of you become like in the tech company and how you program the AI will become very different, how you use the AI. Like so, everything and AI itself then is just become another amazing tool, right, that continue to help us to be who we are, right? And I think that's really it. So it's not like some grand vision about what what what projects and what we need to do. Right, the biggest project is ourselves. Like we are the canvas, make ourselves the masterpiece, and if all of us can become the masterpiece of ourselves, everything else will fall in place.

SPEAKER_01

Beautiful. Well, Matt, I really appreciate you hopping on as a guest on this podcast and Ryan. As usual, amazing conversation. And yeah, this is a really nice way to wrap up this fifth episode. And I really you know enjoyed all of the different insights and everything that we've shared, covered until this point, and I can't wait to see. You know, can't wait to see what's going to happen in the future. So catch you guys in the next one. Peace out.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you, and thank you, Bosco, for always you know creating this space, this amazing questions, right? And and your love for you know your audience to you know bring this together, like create this conversation. So fully appreciate um your work and your authenticity. And thank you, Matt, for being with us. Love you guys.

SPEAKER_01

Take care.