EP7 - Diya Welland: The Science of Differentiation and Genetic Codes

There’s something special inside of you. Gene Keys guide Diya Welland explains what that essence is!

She explains:

◼ The illusion that tricks 99% of people’s mind 
◼ What spirituality actually is (NOT religion or conspiracy theories!) 
◼ How to effectively deal with any suffering in life 
◼ How the U.S. Military approach facing uncertainty works 
◼ What Mutually Benefiting & Interdependent Relationship looks like (as opposed to war)

~ Spirituality, God, Nature:
00:56 - Spirituality is NOT Religion or Conspiracy Theories
02:45 - God is WITHIN Us
07:55 - What Does God Mean?
09:28 - Man in the Mirror
11:45 - Dealing with Suffering
14:58 - Relationship with Death
17:03 - What Am I Here to Learn?
19:14 - The Truth of Ongoing War
24:19 - Self Sabotage during Self Reflection
33:52 - Buddha’s No-Self
37:35 - Reconnecting with Nature

~ Shamanism, Gene Keys, Human Design:
45:39 - Shamanism Shadow Work
47:54 - Gene Key 4 (Intolerance, Tolerance, Understanding)
49:44 - Shamanism with Gene Keys
52:48 - Intergenerational Fear
54:40 - Dragonflies
56:08 - The Science of Differentiation
01:01:05 - No One Has the Same Frequency!
01:02:37 - Gene Key 49 (Reaction, Revolution, Rebirth)
01:06:41 - Traps of the Gene Keys & Human Design
01:09:21 - Do THIS Instead of Reading Your Chart
01:11:43 - Wild Mind Writing
01:13:55 - Not Focusing on The “Not-Self”
01:20:45 - Transcend Asking Questions

~ The Future of Humanity:
01:24:56 - Approaching 2027 & The Future
01:27:05 - The U.S. Military Approach For Uncertainty
01:35:14 - Gene Key 19 (Sensitivity vs Reaction)
01:38:07 - Sentient Awareness
01:42:57 - Surrendering to the Body’s Needs
01:47:08 - Preparing For The New Human
01:50:48 - The Awareness Field
01:53:09 - Jesus’ Teaching
01:54:05 - Joseph Coat of Many Colors

~ Spiral Dynamics:
01:56:29 - What is it?
01:59:16 - Orange, Green, Purple
02:00:34 - Stage Yellow
02:02:30 - Stage Turquoise
02:07:00 - Division of the “You”
02:11:35 - Interdependent Relationships
02:14:29 - Interacting with Extraterrestrial Life

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Episode Resources:
https://genekeys.com/living-library/
https://diyawelland.com/
https://www.instagram.com/bosco.yiu/

Listen to our show:
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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Unpacking what does the word differentiation mean? It means to be different. If we take an orchestra and you've got 15 violinists, each violinist has their own soul, their own physical being, their own way of playing the violin, and each violin comes from a different tree. So if you're using horse hair, each person has got a different horse. No two violins are going to be the same. So the science of differentiation is being able to go, oh my word, this is fantastic. How do you fall in love with yourself each day? And it's not that kind of you know teenage thing, oh my goodness, I love you. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not it. It's that deep honoring of love. It's that that going, yeah, I'm honoring the God within. And so instead of God being out there, it's taking that God within and going, Yeah, I'm godly.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Dia, we're super honored to have you here on the Awakened Teens podcast today. And you're someone who've really been immersed with the wonders of spirituality ever since the young age of five, when a local from the island you grew up told your dad that you'd be a healer, specifically using your hands when you're older. And before we dive deep into all of these modalities you've been involved with, I first want to do some grounding for both the audience and myself. Because coming from a teenage perspective, really early stage of learning about the world of higher self and souls, there's a lot of misunderstanding on spirituality being the same thing as religion or conspiracy theories whenever we step into this world. So just to begin with, what does the term spirituality mean for you?

SPEAKER_03 1:48

Um spirituality for me is first off, thank you. Um it's an honor to be here, and I guess that's what spirituality is is the honor in the present moment. It's you know, I'm I'm a soul incarnate, I'm a soul that's come into flesh. And that there is this aspect that spirituality is something that is outside of us, you know, but it's not. It it's the actualizing of spirit within, spirit consciousness, to be spiritually aware in this form. And that whole thing about, you know, conspiracy theory and this and that, and and it's the mind, it's the mind making up all these different like stories. And we don't need to do that. What is it to just go? Oh, I'm spirit aware, I'm spirit consciousness. What am I aware of? And so when I look at what it is to walk a spiritual path, it's to take myself and be completely open to all the different religions of all the different times, to all the different practices, and go, what works for me? And what works for me is what works for me, and to be honoring that, and that honors each other. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 3:32

Yeah, I think there's a lot of misconceptions on what spirituality is because ever since I in the young age, um I I went to a Catholic school myself and we're taught that God is out there, like we have to pray to God and and believe in like uh Jesus Christ, and then when you look at other religions as well, like Buddhism, they're also doing the same thing, like praying to deities. But it's very interesting to explore this understanding that God is within ourselves. So when was that really your first realization?

SPEAKER_03 4:04

Uh I don't remember. I mean, it's it's it's a long, long time ago. Um I was raised, born and raised into the Baha'i faith. And that for me was where my understanding came about that all religions have, like all religious teachers, um, Buddhas or Asta, Christ, you know, all of them, Muhammad have a particular message for that particular day. And Baha'u'llah came along and he said, you know, I've got a message for today, and that was in 1844. The idea that God was within me. I guess that it kind of came about from wandering around the garden as a kid, going, How can this be separate from God? And I we'd we didn't go to church when I was a child. We would sit underneath the tipani tree or Franjapani as it's also called, um, or the breadfruit tree. And so, you know, God was connecting with everything. And there's a prayer in the faith, oh God, guide me, protect me, illuminate the lamp of my heart, you know. And what is it to feel that spark within, to have that spark within lit up, and to have that awareness that the spark within me is the same spark that is there in everybody. There is no separation except the mind and what it says is separate. And so God within just seemed natural to me. I don't know. And yet I hear you on you know, growing up with people who were deep in um going to church and having the understanding that the only way to heaven is through Jesus, or that's that's the way, he lights the way. Um and when I was in my teen my late teens, I, you know, was under the understanding that Jesus was part of the Essenes. And so he learned a lot of his ways of being and his healing practices through the Essenes, which I forget now, but my understanding is that they came through India and Persia. So, do you know, like how much has actually been lost in translation or taken over by well-meaning people who kind of liked power and control. And then we begin to get into that world of spir of conspiracy theory, right? Because then people go, oh, you know, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist, oh, you're a little bit woo-woo kind of thing. And and I you know, I mean, I've got a bookshelf behind me, and and I like to I like to find answers that resonate with what it is that feels true for me, which is why I like to read a lot. Um so yeah, this aspect that you know we're separate. Why? Why why create this separation in the beginning? That's kind of where I come from. If not to control.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

Yeah. It seems like a lot of the things and a lot of the division that's happening is really driven out of fear, right? Like came from our ancestral memories of having to hunt for different animals and survive, and it seems like we're in a time where everything is shifting, and I'm super excited to get into that, um, looking into the future later on, but going one layer deeper into this understanding of God, once you're aware that you have the God essence inside yourself, you are God, what does that mean for you?

SPEAKER_03 8:57

Uh, great question. Um it means that as a soul, I've got conscious choice. And as a soul, there is no choice. You know, it's like I'm here to learn. So in the world of human design, we have the experiential way, which goes, you know, I'm sure we'll get into human design, but it's this path that we humans get to learn through experience. And you know, I mean, life is a little bit messy, right? It brings about the the lesson uh or the experience first and the lesson later. So, yeah, I've kind of gone off track and forgotten your question. Say the question one more time.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

What does it mean when you understand that God is inside of yourself? Like in like your daily life and how you approach things.

SPEAKER_03 10:09

Immediately, what actually comes to mind is Michael Jackson's song Man in the Mirror. Do you know the song?

SPEAKER_00 10:21

Yeah. It's been a while since I listened to it, but Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:26

You know, when when we look in the mirror, or even looking here on screen, and we see ourselves on screen, there's no hiding. And in the movie What the Bleep, the the breakthrough came about for the protagonist when she realized that she was hating herself so much because she was deaf and she drank and she made these silly decisions. And she, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you. And she realized that that's how she was creating her reality. And so what she then began to do was to write, I love you, on her skin. And she just she just realized that, you know, it's like we're we're water. And so, in order to love ourselves, we have to be present to ourselves, to be able to look in that mirror, to look into that camera, and know that there is that level of coherence that's there about love. That's also knowing God within. Because it's been present to the love that's there. It's the fear-driven mind where we get that turnaround which says, I'm afraid of something. Okay, if I'm afraid of something, what am I aware of? I'm aware I'm in fear because there is a separation from God. I am separating out from my own true divinity. So what is it to be able to be solidly in that own true divinity and know that there's love? Man in the Mirror. It's a simple song, it's pretty cool. Jackson was a little bit of a rogue, but he got it right in some ways. He had good riders too.

SPEAKER_00 12:31

Yeah, I'm just thinking back to moments of suffering because inevitably in everyone's lives we'll go through suffering, and a lot of the times we want to escape it, escape the pain, but with God realization, it's more about embracing the pain, embracing these emotional highs and emotional lows.

SPEAKER_03 12:55

Yes. To be in the experience. You know, I mean, there's times when when I'd be like, oh man, can I that sucked. That was so difficult, that was so hard. And then it was like, you know, my my body gets all tight, right? If I'm like, oh, that was miserable, that was awful, yuck, go away. And I did a lot of that in my my teens. You know, I've I did a lot of escapism stuff. But it's it's, you know, as I've and I knew then the only time I really didn't want to escape was when I was with nature. There was nothing to escape from. To lean against a tree and to breathe into the tree's energy and to feel the ground beneath my feet barefoot. You know, talk about spiritual practice. Like being able to walk and and feel the earth and the vibration of the earth, uh it's amazing. There's there's no fear in that. Fear to me is is man. You know, what what what humans do to each other because it's just so unpredictable. But what am I aware of? Every beneath every fear is a a layer of awareness. Solar plexus, spleen, ajna, all these different aspects of fear. But it means what am I aware of? So if there's an addiction of thought, um, and and that that addictive mind is is running and bouts and bouts and bouts of uncertainty, then then I ask, what are you aware of? And to be able to come back and into the body, instead of being out there in the mind, but to be able to close off those senses and come in and go, okay, what am I aware of? I'm aware that something is not right, something doesn't feel right. Okay, do I need to leave this situation? Yeah, I need to leave the situation. Okay, leave the situation. What am I aware of? I'm out of congruence within my own being. Okay, what do I need to do to connect into congruence with my own being? Breathe. Okay, I'm gonna breathe. Simple. Do I need to do anything else? No. So it's it's taking that jumbled up awareness that's out there and actually coming in here and into that aspect that I am my own authority. You know, I I am here. And I don't know where it was, but I had a really strange sort of relationship with death. It never bothered me growing up. I was like, you know, people died. Okay, they died, and then they were reborn. You know, and this was one of the things that I didn't get on well with the buys because I believed in reincarnation and they didn't. They're like, oh no, you get one life, that's it. And it that didn't sit with me. Because I was aware that, you know, the body dies, yes, this is the only life I will ever experience this flesh, meat, genetic inheritance with all of its epigenetic wonders. I will never have this experience again. Because when this body dies, that's it, it's gone. And so, how can I separate myself out from the magnificence of this experience of being human? Easily I buy into the fear of others or what's going on out there in the talk world. Separation. So, in order to be in the suffering and to go, gosh, you know, that's really, really horrible what's out there. Yeah, it's true. But what am I learning? That's the grace to take that suffering and go, oh my god, that was really difficult. And gosh, it was good. It was such a good lesson, and to hold that lesson with such honor, you know, and such that fierce love. Oh, I'm so thankful to come into that place of gratitude. I'm so thankful for that lesson. And there's no suffering anymore. Because it's just gratitude.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Beautiful. It seems like there really is just two approaches mainly on how we approach suffering. Either one, we can fall into this whole loop of being more fearful, being more constricted, and the other one really is just stepping back and pausing and really just realizing what's happening in our lives and just being aware of why it's happening.

unknown 18:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:19

That's the key. That's the key to inquire why this is happening to me. What am I here to learn? It's like people go, Oh, why is this happening to me? Like victim consciousness, but it doesn't need to be victim consciousness. There is the freedom that comes out of that, you know, to take that mud and to go, oh my god, this is really cool. Look at what I get to learn here. I mean, you know, it's like it just takes it from being horrible to being something really grand. And yeah, I mean, I I did this a lot early on, and people looked at me like I was nuts. Absolutely nuts. And it's like I began to think I was nuts because I I didn't have that kind of relationship with things. And so I thought, well, maybe I'm wrong for feeling this way or believing this way, to look at these sometimes terrible things that have happened and go, actually, that's really good. Because I got an I got an opportunity to learn. You know, um, whatever it is that I'm learning in that moment. And the thing is, is that then things get easier and lighter, but they get harder if we don't look at the learnings. And they get more intense. So every time somebody feeds an addiction or shies away from learning something, um, yeah, you know, it gets a little bit uh more difficult. Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Yeah, speaking more about the terrible things and how you're able to optimistically look at these situations, I think one thing I'd like to explore more is what's been happening lately on the news, because we can jump into so many details, but if we take a higher level view, it just seems like for me a lot of truth have been revealed, especially with different public figures and just everything in general. And really, reality is being projected outwards and the authenticity. So I would just like to hear more about how you feel about everything that's going on and how you've been approaching these news.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

In many ways, you know, I'd kind of like to stick my head in the sand and be a bit of an ostrich and just go, eh, go away, let me let me come back when it's all done. But I know that that doesn't work. And when I look at the word truth, you know, the ancient Chinese named this hexagram, the 61, um, inner truth, right? And it's a pictograph symbol, it depicts that which is hidden deep within us. So I look at this aspect of truth and I go, what is hidden deep within? And there's a lot of apocalyptic books that are out there right now. And every one of them has somebody's flavor of truth. And every one of them is a possible future. And so the way I look at it is I go. Okay, that's their truth. But is it my truth? No, it's not my truth. And so am I going to allow myself to be browbeaten and fold myself down, put my head in the sand, or go off and experience the realm of addictions, or am I going to stand solidly in my truth? It's not an easy one to do, right? When the world out there is a loud cacophony and distortion, and there's so much going on, it's really difficult to stand in my truth. Because oftentimes those that shout the loudest are the ones that are heard.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

However, we can also do something like humming. You know, like sitting there and um I used to practice this when I would go to the lines in at Christmas time at the post office. There'd be a lot of noise happening out there. Lot of noise. And what I would do is instead of getting myself all rattled, I would stand there and I would take my awareness deep, deep down into my belly, into my body, and I would hum. And I could feel a resonance coming through my heart, my G center. And that was before I knew that the G center was there, but anyway, it was that was where I could feel this resonance coming forth. And what it did, I didn't have to hum loudly, but what it did was that it moved my aura bigger. And so then the frequency was able to shift out there. And so I look at what's going on in the news and I go, sure, I can believe those different things, I can take them on board, and I can be in fear. Or I can stand in my truth. And so what am I going to hold as a strength? So my take on truth is that everybody has their truth. Some people, the truth is driven by the mind. You know, what what's its foundation, but being a parrot of other people's truths? And whereas other people are going, oh, hang on a minute, what is my truth? My my truth is is something completely different. And who's to say that my truth of being able to feel the frequency of plants and trees and cats and creatures is any less worthy than the power of somebody who wants to rule the world.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Yeah. And speaking more about inner truth, one thing I've noticed, especially for myself, when I'm sitting down and doing the reflection work, is a lot of the times, especially in the initial phases when I'm really new into looking at these different modalities, like gene keys, human design, I realize that my mind really likes to self-sabotage itself. It's like it wants to go into the work, but then I also start to realize that I'm also victimizing myself in many ways.

SPEAKER_03 25:59

Yeah. Um You mean specifically with human design or all the different modalities?

SPEAKER_00 26:12

We can talk about all of them and also dive into examples if you're willing to share.

SPEAKER_03 26:22

Yeah. Um The mind there there's a saying about monkey mind, right? The mind likes to grasp onto things. And an untrained mind is a little bit like an untrained puppy. You know, it it it doesn't have very good habits. It needs to be trained. It needs to know what's right, where it's supposed to go to the toilet, where it shouldn't. Um, to sink those little puppy teeth into the skin is is painful for adults. Children are the same. You know, as children, we need to know how hard it is that we're biting. Children go through a stage where they often bite because they're learning. I mean, it's a self-protection mechanism, right? Somebody comes along and grabs a child, and they're not supposed to grab the child, and the child bites. Well, most likely those little sharp pointy teeth are gonna like, you know, hurt, and the person who's grabbing the child will, oh, let go. But oftentimes these things are trained out of us, but they're survival mechanisms. The mind is the same. The mind needs to know what to trust and what not to trust. So a lot of these different modalities are there to help us to understand what the mind is doing. You know, Buddhism practices of watching the mind. You know, just watching the mind, meditation, watching the mind. Um, I love the story of the Dalai Lama when he's you know he's asked, well, what do you do if you've got a mosquito that lands on you? And he says, Oh, sometimes I go fly away. Other times I, you know, let it drink. And other times I look at it and I go, next life. You know, and and I loved that because it's like the the mind is is kind of making a decision, but maybe the mind is not making a decision. Maybe the mind is actually looking at it and feeling into what is true right now. But if the mind is left untrained, like a puppy, you know, then then it's it's or if it's been trained to do different things that is not in accordance with it having a healthy mind of being aware, you know. I if we look at what is a conscious mind, what is an unconscious mind, an unconscious mind isn't going to be able to, you know, look at the other person and go, oh, are they following what I'm saying, or are they kind of lost? You know, an uncon a conscious mind will be tracking what is happening in the relationship. But kids often get that taken away because they're told you have to go to school, you have to sit in this particular way, you have to have your hair cut in this particular way. It's cookie-cutter. And then we spend a long time trying to find ourselves again. Or people don't try and find themselves again, and the mind runs rampant. So to be able to watch the mind and and be aware of the mind, you know, to sit down at that night and go, oh, my mind says and write out all these different things, and just look at it and go, wow, my mind was really busy. You know, it was really, really busy. So when I'm looking at all of these different modalities that are available, I just sink into a place of gratitude. Because I'm like, you know, there's there's uh what is the saying? Um it's actually in the Bible. I remember somebody telling me, um, my father's house has many mansions. Um, and then another one is uh there's there's many ways to get to the top of the mountain, right? Each path to the top of the mountain is a particular modality. Or my father's house has many mansions, it's all of the different religions and and all of the different um modalities for healing. There's not one way that is the only way. There are many different ways, but somebody's mind will come along and say, oh no, the only thing that you ever must do is qigung. That that that heals everything. And it's like, well, maybe not, you know, maybe tai chi, maybe, you know, dance, maybe belly dancing, maybe yoga, maybe this, maybe that. And so we live in a smorgasbord of modalities right now. Online, there's a smorgasboard of belief structures about what's going to work. But for each person to come into their truth, to be in the mystery of their truth, how awesome is that? Yeah. To wake up one morning and go, oh, hang on a minute, my body doesn't want to go for a run today. I just want to lay on the floor and do breath work. Uh yogic, ujayi breathing can can release a lot of toxins. Is like ujai breathing can like heat the body up from the inside. Whereas Potabi Joyce would say, oh no, you have to heat the body up from the outside. And a yinga would be, oh no, no, no, no, you're not gonna heat the body up, you need to come into precision in the in the yogic moods, in the yogic um ways, the postures. Well, each person is correct. Each truth is correct. What are you gonna choose?

SPEAKER_00 32:55

Listening to our bodies.

SPEAKER_03 32:57

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And so for somebody growing up, it's going, how does this feel? I mean, I remember in my twenties having this dream of being able to walk into a university and go anywhere to any classroom to learn anything I wanted to learn, to have an experience of absolutely anything, and to go through all of these different workshops or courses or university degrees and not have any test or any piece of paper, but just the experience. You know, it's like total freedom. Total freedom. How awesome would that be? The only way we can do that right now is going to the computer and asking AI. ChatGPT, tell me about such and such, right? You know, because that's freedom. To have the absolute freedom on the internet to be able to find anything. But it's not experiential. It's all up here. It's not aura to aura. I'm not learning from another person. It doesn't have that chemical alchemical movement go through the body because it's an interface that is not alchemical. But that's a whole other subject.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Awesome. It seems like what I'm getting through is making me think of the Buddhist teaching of removing like the desires and having this like no-self and being like detached from experiences, but then also fully immersed in the experience, but then able to move on from these experiences and just be in the present moment.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

Yeah. I mean, you've touched upon something that I kind of heard in Buddhism, and I'm like, yana. Yeah, for a real Kiwi term, I think I think they have it in Australia as well, yana, um, which is yes, no. Um and that is the uh and and I think it was in um one of the yogic things as well, the annihilation. Um the you know whipping oneself to get rid of the desires, to get annihilation of the ego. That never sat with me. Because I figured that anything I was wanting to disassociate from or separate out from, I was gonna have to meet up with in the realm of the dead. I didn't want to meet up with it in the realm of the dead. I really didn't. I, you know, I I didn't want to go and die and then have to face all the demons and things that I didn't deal with in this lifetime. Um I wanted to make sure that that I dealt with absolutely positively everything that I could possibly deal with in this lifetime. Um and my friends would be like, oh my god, dear, can you just stop? Can you can you just give yourself like time off? And it's like, well, you know, what's the next experience, right? Um so this is where I love the gene keys. Because the gene keys go, where's the mud? Where's the gold? Take that shadow and feel it, live it, breathe it, embrace it, allow it to move, right? Don't push it away, don't tell it it's wrong, no shaming, no blaming, but to really be in that muddiness. You know, it's it's there's a uh image I came across, I think I've got it up on my website, I'm not sure. It's a sketch of a girl who's sitting there, I think she's got a red top on, and she's in a pool of brown mud, and she's got her and she's got a number on her where she's on a race and she's obviously slipped in the mud, and she's got her head up and she's laughing. She is laughing, and I love that image because it is such human nature to go, oh, I'm I'm wrong, I'm bad, I've I've you know, I've made a mistake, I'm sorry. You know, it's like the hunching over and they're getting ready to get hit and told off or whacked over the head as I grew up with at school, and they don't do that anymore, politically correct. Um, but instead of doing that, to feel the mud, to sit in the mud, and to go, oh, it's so messy. Right? I mean, I hated getting my feet muddy as a kid. Hated it. Well, actually, as a teenager, I think probably as a kid I was fine. And then I remember going for a walk one day. I'd been I'd gone back home, I was in my early 20s, and I always went for walks in the mountains barefoot. I'd I never wore shoes when I went home, I hardly ever. And um, I came across this muddy patch, and I'm like, oh god, and there was no way that I could go on the side of the path. I had to go through the mud, and I was like, you gotta do it, you know? And I put one foot in that mud, and this hot mud came up through my toes, and it was amazing. It was absolutely amazing, and I was like, oh my god, this actually doesn't feel bad at all. This actually feels really nice, and then I took another step and I began to feel the earthiness that I didn't get from living in the city because I was so disconnected. I wore shoes in the city, you know, I was it was concrete in the city. There was no a time to go feet in the mud in the city, and so there was this real dramatic kind of guttural feeling of wow, this is mud. And then there was there was the awareness of, well, that's actually what I'm made from. I'm flesh. I'm made from this earth. How can I be living a life so disconnected from this earth? Ew. And so instead of the mud being ew, it was the disconnected life from the earth that was you. So that was a big turnaround for me. And that state, that experience stayed with me so that now I see mud and I'm like, okay, gonna get muddy. The same thing with walking in the rain. How many people put on raincoats or an umbrella? Whereas how many people do you see walking in the city at the crosswalk and they've got to go from one street right across the way to the other street? How many people do you see walking across the street going, oh, feel that rain on the face and smile with it? Well, I I kind of like doing that. I like to stand in the street when it's raining, just started raining, and I've got a nice top on, and and I'll just stand there and I'll just smile at the you know the sky. And then I kind of like look around and people are like going, ooh, it's a bit weird. It's like okay. Because I'm not wanting to be disconnected from it. Because it's the disconnection that leads to the addiction, it's the disconnection that goes, oh God, you know, I'm a bad person. And then in order to to to you know help that bad person, that bad part of me feel better, there is that addiction to go out and and try and grasp something. Whereas truly, addiction is well, you know, it can lead to all sorts of really amazing silences.

SPEAKER_00 41:44

I really love how you bring up that rain example. It makes me think about like when I was young, my parents would tell me to always bring like an umbrella or like wear a raincoat, but then that was because they feared that I would get sick, I would get an illness, I would get a cold. But that to a certain extent pushed to an extreme to the point where even in the light rain, you would still take these procedures, even though your body may feel comfortable in these situations. So I guess the boundary of when to use an umbrella versus standing in the rain in this situation would be whether your body feels like it's uncomfortable, then you should listen to your body and take the procedures.

SPEAKER_03 42:36

Yeah. And if you've got time to play. Because whenever there's playfulness, there's heat, right? It's the generation of heat. But if there's fear, it's the tightening, and so everything begins to shut down because the internal body is preparing for fight or flight. And so that lowers the immune response. But when there's playfulness and there's delight, it rises the immune response.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

And then you get the balance between the yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:19

So, you know, I mean, yes, your parents are correct. You're on the way to school, right? And you don't have an umbrella or a raincoat, and your only shirt that you're wearing for the next six hours gets wet, and then there's the sitting still in a classroom with air conditioning, immune response goes down. But if there is the going out and going for a walk and getting rained on and playing and dancing in the rain, there's a lot of heat that's generated and it's cleansing. So this is where we can be mindful, right? Of what the experience is rather than having our mind full of fears. So it's been mindful in one word rather than mind full in two words. So your parents have been mindful of your health, but their mind was full of what ifs. Nothing wrong, no blame, no shame. They were acting from the best of intentions. My parents did the same. I was asthmatic as a kid. And my mum knew that if I went out and I ran around and played and got like a tiny bit of layer of perspiration on my body, and then I would sit there and I'd get cold, you know, they would my parents would be up all night trying to keep me breathing. So, you know, that they they had to be mindful and they had to fill my mind with worry and care for my own health and well-being. But there's nothing wrong with that. There were also times when I was allowed to play, and it was okay. So I got to learn both sides. Did I do well all the time? No, of course not. I messed up. An experiential person. Did I give myself a hard time for many years for doing things wrong? Of course I did. Do I still do that? No.

SPEAKER_00 45:50

And this is the aspect of surrendering. And I think this rain analogy ties really well to the gene keys because it's like you have the same environment, but it's how you approach that situation. It's the most important. And speaking about the gene keys, you have a really unique approach with the gene keys. You add like a shamanic twist with them. So I would definitely love to hear more about how you mix both modalities together to personalize it for yourself.

SPEAKER_03 46:21

Yeah. Um in the 90s, I lived in Tucson, Arizona, and I went on a couple of vision quests. And I was working with a or practicing with a shamanic group. And we did um there was a lot of aspects of soul retrieval. And so that kind of going into the underground and connecting with the parts of ourselves that had been split off and and drawing them back and reintegrating them into my life, really, um, and growing them up. So it would be a part that was, you know, curled up in a corner and deep in the underworld, which is the metaphor for a shadow. You know, it's like we go deep into the underworld, and um and so there's that aspect, but there's also the aspect of speaking of the underworld, working with Mars. And so the design Mars in um in the human design body graph is the place where the rubber hits the road. We gain traction in this lifetime for the next lifetime. We can take it and turn it around. Having that awareness of what it is to go deep into the shadows, to go deep into the underground, to go deep into the unconscious has helped me in many ways to be able to step into the shadow. So instead of the annihilation or the pushing away, or the shadow is wrong, or the shadow is bad, it's much more the um the finding the gold in the shadow. And so looking at that aspect of the shadow to the gift, to be able to step solidly into that shadow and say, when is so if we pick intolerance to understanding to forgiveness, this is Gen Key four, where has intolerance served me? And where has tolerance not served me? So that was an exploration that I had to go through because in um in the early 2000s I went on this sort of dive of well, what does forgiveness actually mean? You know, what what is it? Um and I kind of knew that I was being way too tolerant of certain behaviors and friends and people I knew that weren't healthy for me. And so I was out of balance with tolerance and intolerance. And so when I stepped into the gene keys and I was like, oh, I've got intolerance as a shadow. Holy heck, what do I do with that? You know, like it just it was difficult for me. And so that was when I had to go, okay, well, what does intolerance mean for me? And what I realized was that I'd actually been way too tolerant, and I needed to strengthen intolerance in order to come into understanding. And so the shamanic practice helped me to to kind of explore the different realms of working with the animals and working with the the unseen realms, um, but definitely the animals, and going, what are these different animals teaching me? And Richard has brought in this, Richard and Rosie Aronson have brought in this incredible body of work called DreamArk. And so if anybody ever wants to explore, you know, the shamanic sort of aspect and the gene keys approach, um, I highly recommend the DreamArk because it's this non-linear world where people just get to pick different things, different creatures, and picking of that creature will lead into something else, which will lead into something else, which will lead into something else, which is what shamanism did for me. You know, there was no specific path, it was noticing what I noticed and what I noticed. And so this aspect of coming into working with the shadows and being able to embrace them and finding the gold in them and working with soul retrieval, and especially when it came into genetic and epigenetic inheritance, it's like it's all entwined. It sounds so complicated, right? It's like, oh my god, dear, there's way too many, too many moving parts. But really, is there? I've got a genetic inheritance, right? It's there. You've got a particular genetic inheritance, it's there. Epigenetic inheritance is the energy and the emotions that are carried down on that genetic inheritance. When the soul incarnates, it comes into this flesh body and takes on this genetic and epigenetic inheritance. And then we get to explore what it is to be in the energy system of this being and how the energy flows within this being. And so, what are the shadows, but a pathway to grace, to the gift. So again, there's nothing wrong. But to be able to go, oh my god, what parts of me have been separated out because there was too much tolerance, not enough intolerance, or intolerance. I was so intolerant in that moment, you know, it's like I can feel it. Intolerance for me is like it's an awful amount of self-righteousness that comes about, right? And it's very tight and controlled. But to be an understanding is to look at what happened to those different parts of me. Or to look at my ancestry and go, oh, my German great-grandmother, you know, she left Germany and and there was no internet back then. She got on a boat, right? Went to the States, no idea what she was going to be encountering. How many months did it take to get a letter back home? What happened to her parents? The egg that created her was from her grandmother's womb. So, you know, it's like that that fear, it gets carried down. That, oh my god, what's gonna happen out there? So when I was able to come into a place of beginning to ask the questions, to come an inquiry, and then sit in a place of contemplation, a lot of things began to unfold through understanding. And so then I could forgive myself for misunderstanding that was let out of tolerances and intolerances. So it's like the the shamanic world and the gene keys world, there is well, and you know, genetics and epigenetics is kind of thrown in there as well. That's come along at a bit later age. Um it's just it's like this delicious opportunity of being human in today's world. What is it to to be a unique expression? I mean it's it's kind of a gift. I hope I answered your question. It's such a big one.

SPEAKER_00 55:23

Yeah, I think that puts a really good spin on it. And by the way, I really like your necklace over there. Like, is that a firefly? And is there any spinism?

SPEAKER_03 55:33

It's a dragonfly.

SPEAKER_00 55:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:35

Yeah. Yeah. I've always had a thing with dragonflies. And um our family would sit out on the deck at home and watch the dragonflies catch the um mosquitoes. Um they're like, you know, we we I worshiped dragonflies because the more dragonflies were around, the less mosquitoes were around. And um and of course, then getting into gene keys, and and as a kid, I would cat I would find dead dragonflies and put them up on my wall and study their beautiful wings and everything. But this is actually made from a pearl shell, a really large pearl shell, and I've got black pearl earrings on, so you know, this whole aspect of what it is, and in the light, it actually um reflects uh rainbow colors because it's a pearl shell. Hand carved by a guy from um the island of Tongodero in the Cook Islands.

SPEAKER_01 56:43

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 56:44

Thanks. 50-50 jinkey.

SPEAKER_00 56:49

Yeah, we'll definitely get to that one in a bit. Yeah. And before that, I would love to explore more about what the science of differentiation is.

SPEAKER_03 57:04

Human design is known to be the science of differentiation. So unpacking what does the word differentiation mean? It means to be different. I got into a um a bit of a discussion last week with a person who has the 49th gen key, 49th gate hexagram. And they were like, everybody who has the 49th key has this particular way of being. And I'm like, no, no, it's different frequent frequencies. So to differentiate is if we take an orchestra and you've got 15 violinists, each violinist has their own soul, their own physical being, their own way of playing the violin, and each violin comes from a different tree. Each bowspring comes from different creatures. Right? Okay, so if you're using horse hair, if they're still using horse hair, they're still using horse hair, then that horse is a each person has got a different horse. So no two bows are going to sound the same. No two violins are going to be the same. And all violins were created by a different violin maker. So how can we expect exactly the same note to sound in exactly the same way with exactly the same frequency if they all come from different trees? And everybody is different. Yes, there are people who strive to have that same note in the same pitch in the same tone, but it's different. In human design, we also have our differences because we have color, bass, and tone. We also have the line value, and then we have the gate. We have whether the gate is undefined or defined, we have whether the gate is in a defined center or an undefined center. There's a lot of differences. So how can we say that the frequency of that person is going to move through in any particular way? There's an image, I'm sure you've come across it. It's from one of my oldest books, which has actually fallen apart, but it's the wheels of life. It's got a new cover now. Um, I think it's called Eastern Body Western Mind. Yeah, Eastern Body Western Mind by Anadea Judith. And she has in here this image. Are you familiar with that image?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

No, I'm not. It's my first time seeing it, but it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:07

It's pretty amazing, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:10

Yeah. Like all the textures and how everything is.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:14

Yeah. So there's a on the web you can find this image if you Google um nadis and chakras, N A D I. Um, and they actually have it where it's a white background and black lines, which to me is so much nicer and easier to read and look at. The human design is is differentiates everybody through the imprinting at birth and eighty-eight degrees before birth when the neocortex was formed enough to say, okay, soul, come on in, right? And the way our energy flows through the body depends on which gates are defined and which gates are undefined, and how those particular channels match up. Then you've got the planets. Which planet is activating that particular activation? So when we're looking at the 49, we could have ten different people with the 49. It could be a design earth, it could be a personality sun, it could be Uranus activation, it could be the moon, it could be a node, it could have a different line, it could have a different tone, color, and bass. So then we can't say that everybody with the 49 has got the same frequency. Because there's so many different variations. Even two people born on the same day can have different frequencies. Twins can have different frequencies. Because oftentimes twins are born 10, 15, 20 minutes apart. So there's different layers to those particular activation that's there on the surface. There's lots of different frequencies that are available. And then, of course, you have the conditioning that comes about. Who's the twin's best friend? Does the twin resonate more with dad or with mum? Who holds the twin more? Maybe it's a brother or a sister. You know, what is that twin picking up in their energy field compared to the twin, the other twin? You know, maybe one twin spent time in an incubator for a while, maybe the other twin went home straight away. So there's so many differences. And what human design does is it helps people to fall in love with those differences. Instead of being shamed for being different, it's revered for being different. And so when I meet somebody, I'm like, oh my god, you've got this particular gate. That's so cool. What's it like for you? How is this showing up in your life? These are some of the different keynotes with the 49. Reaction, rebirth, revolution. You know, what's it like for you? Do you feel like you're a bit of a revolutionary? You know? Oh, okay, you just reacted to something. Cool. What did it feel like? Wow, where did you feel that reaction in your body? What did your mind say about that reaction? Did it come through your throat? Oh, it came through your throat. Wow, that's so cool. How did it feel coming through your throat? Yeah? So it's like I love to look at what are some of the different ways that this particular key can come through. And there's nothing wrong. So just coming into the Rave I Ching that Ra wrote, now this is the gate of principles. Okay. Um and my little faithful I Ching book. Radical change. Hexagram forty nine, radical change. On your own day, then there is truth and confidence from the source creating success. Constancy bears fruit, regrets vanish. Amazing. What does it mean? What is the interpretation of each person? How do they take those words in? And where does it resonate within their field? So, you know, my gate of revolution is the fourth line. Platform. A potential sensitivity to the needs of society. It also says a political and social agenda embodied in guarantees to human rights that ensures a just and valued replacement of the old order. So I looked at that and I'm like, hmm, really? What am I gonna do? What am I gonna say? Replacement of an old order? What old order? Huh? So it brings up a lot of questions, right? So we get three different people who have got 49 line four. Everybody's gonna have different principles. So the science of differentiation is being able to go, oh my word, this is fantastic. How do you fall in love with yourself each day? And it's not that kind of you know teenage thing, oh my goodness, I love you. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not it. It's that deep honoring of love. It's that that going, yeah, I'm honoring the God within. And so instead of God being out there, it's taking that God within and going, Yeah, I'm godly. There is love. There's just this absolute love. There's this total faith. And so it's a differentiated frequency for each single person. And when we're all coming from a place of coherence, a place of true resolve, then what is it to be singing that song? Oh frequency.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:04

It's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:08

It's amazing how you bring this up because as I'm going through the gene keys, like one of the things I'm noticing is that whenever I read someone's interpretation, no matter if it's like Richard's interpretation or Ra's interpretation, I have this tendency to just solely believe in the line itself rather than treating it more as like a direction for me to look and find my own personal truth from it. And I think it's really a huge trap for a lot of people like going into this work initially, is like we think that we're going to get that definite answer. Someone's going to tell us this, but then it's still an external authority. Because exactly the only person who will know what it is is yourself, and you have to do that through building awareness, and these teachings have helped us build awareness. And then for me, I really like journaling that has helped me like kind of connect all of these themes to like what's been going on in my life and what's actually true for me, and also like what my body is feeling. So I thought that was a pretty critical point to bring up for anyone who's really looking into these modalities and something to watch themselves falling into. Because once you get stuck in the aspect of saying, I have to be this, I have to be that, even though your body is saying otherwise, it can be falling into another whole like spiritual loop, which is very unhealthy and really not the whole point of this teaching.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:46

No, you're totally right. I mean, I had I was I experienced so much shame in my early human design days because it was like, oh, you're being not self, oh, you're not listening to your authority, oh you should be doing it like this, oh, you've got an undefined ego, you're trying to prove yourself. And it's like, can you just ask me? You know, can can you just like ask me a couple of questions and listen to what it's like for me? You know, I mean, we're in the science of differentiation, right? Wouldn't you like to know how I'm different from your ideal of the 49? But I didn't get a lot of that in the beginning. And um, and that kind of went against my principles. So I circled back around to, oh, okay, what are my principles? How am I taking this awful experience, this hurtful, shameful experience, and I'm using it as mud to help me grow a nice strong spine, a nice strong stalk for that lotus flower to blossom. No mud, no lotus, right? So it's like now I don't like doing readings for people. I really don't, but I love listening and finding out how people are speaking their frequency. And so one of my favorite things to do is to actually, when I am talking with somebody, I just close my eyes and then I began begin asking them different questions. And I used to say, Well, who sits in the 55? You know, or who's sitting there? And my friends would be like, Who? I don't know, what are you talking about? Well, the planets were always a who, you know, and so once then I began to go, oh well, you know, so then it's like hearing the experience and looking at the particular keys and going, this is the particular line. And so if you were to write your line, what line would you write? And each person can actually write their own I Ching. I mean, why not? You know? Because then each person is bringing forth their particular frequency, their differentiated beingness. So as we're moving into the time of the individual and circling right back to that place of truth, it's helping people to understand how they are being in their own truth and not shaming them for it. No The experience ends in this flesh body when the flesh body dies. Up until then, I get to experience myself anew every day. And so to not be shamed for things I think is really, really important. Yeah. Yeah, I love hearing you say, you know, journal writing. In um my um analyst training, we were encouraged to do something called wild mind writing. And wild mind writing is looking at this aspect of setting have you heard of it? Wild mind writing.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:57

My understanding of it is just that you continue writing without caring about grammar or like mistakes.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:03

Yeah. Wild mind. Yeah, exactly. Set the timer for seven minutes and just write. Don't correct it. And then close the book, walk away, come back and highlight what really stands out. Yep. So it's a journal writing. With pen. If possible.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:32

I think it brings like a very different effect compared to like typing.

unknown 1:13:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:37

It does. And there are people who like to type because then it's both hands. Is it Chinese or Japanese where you're trained to write with both hands?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:53

I'm not clear about that. I didn't know that was a thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:59

I have to find out, but I have a a recollection of somebody saying that there was a particular um Asian orientation training of writing characters with both hands. Yeah. A bit of a skill.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:30

Jumping back into human design. Um you talked about how you don't really like to focus on the not-self. Would you like to elaborate a bit more on that?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:44

Ra wrote the um I Ching for the not-self rather than the true self. And the not-self, you know, in the 80s and 90s, uh, was a lot more prevalent in my world. I mean, yes, it's still very prevalent in today's world. However, today's world, there's, I feel, a lot more people who have kind of woken up to their design, their inner truth, their way of being. Um, the focusing on the not self can actually be quite harmful. And I understand it's like, you know, focusing on the shadow. It just embeds more and more of that, oh my goodness, I've done it wrong again kind of thing. Rather than going, well, okay, so what is it to turn it around? And for a while, I I coined the not-self my not me, you know, because I was trying to make light of it and and bring a little bit of humor in there, which was good, it was very useful for that time in my life. And so to be able to be in this world of the not-self, there's so much pain in the world. So much pain. And if somebody is only hearing a sort of a negative imprint, then that's more demoralizing than I feel that the world really needs right now. So I spent a few years in my readings only bringing in the good and the beautiful and the positive. And I hate to say it, but that didn't work either. It was like I kind of went from one extreme to the other. And that didn't really work either because people only heard the good, and then they didn't actually look at the other things that needed to be looked at. And so it was around then that I began to see: okay, where's the wisdom? And when we look at in human design and gene keys, we know there is the saying of we have all 64. Some of them are defined and some of their um some of them are undefined. Where it's undefined, where it's white in the body graph, there is a tendency to take on conditioning. But there's also the availability to be in the wisdom. And that's the wisdom of flexibility, the wisdom of requisite variety, the wisdom of being able to notice who has got their particular frequencies coming through. Whereas the definition, there is supposed to be a frequency of coherence there. So the projections on the not-self, they can harm. You know, I say on a regular basis, it doesn't need to be that way. That was the saying that came to me over and over again in painful situations of separation, where people would be like, oh, you know, you're being this and you're being that. And and I would say to them, you know, well, you know, I'm seeing all of this not-self activity, and what would it be like if we were not in the not-self? And um what was a gift turned into something of attack. And you know, we have this aspect of love in the 37th Genki um or hexagram gate, um, Ra called 35 37 line five, love. And, you know, it says in the I Ching Um the possibility of dependency turning love into hate. And right now, um, it was definitely yesterday, I can't remember if it's today as well. There's two different planets in 3795, and so there is this possibility of what once was love in a relationship being turned into hate. And I come along and I go, yes, and it doesn't need to be that way. We can actually sit with that hate, sit with that discomfort, sit with that non-love, sit with that not self, and say, what parts are crying out for attention, for love, for integration? What's it like to sit in this fire and let it burn away all the dross so that only love remains? And then it's integration. So the harping on the not-self in a reading, it's just detrimental. It doesn't actually bring about love, it just brings about more non-love. Because a person will walk away from a reading and go, oh, you know, I'm just not self all over the place. And um the 25 line three is one of the um what Ra calls one of the suicide lines, and the 25 line three, the 28 line six, and the 32 line six plus the five line one, these are all tendencies that people go so deep into that not-self arena that they just give up. And I um, you know, the if if there's an undefined gate and there's that tendency that's there, it's the loss of innocence in the 25 line three. And so people can just choose to lose, to just give up. And I'm like, it doesn't need to be that way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:30

So it seems like it all goes back to like the personalized approach on what works best for you, and also questions are something that's super powerful to ask ourselves, just sitting down and just reflecting on broader questions, but then seeing where those broad questions lead into like deeper parts of ourselves.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:56

Yes, and to not be in the mental chatter when it comes to finding the answers to those questions. So the 63rd gate, right? Uh up in the head. Um, Mars moved into the 63 when we began our meeting today. Um, and I find that ironic. Um, I have this as an activation, I believe you do too. Um and the 63 is so very, very good at generating questions. Like it loves to generate questions because it's in this aspect of doubt, right? And so in 2027, when we shift in the global incarnation cross, the the global cycle into the cross of the sleeping phoenix, we're breaking the bond of the 1949. And in the breaking of the bond of the 1949, the programming partner of the 49 is the four. And so the bond will also be breaking between the 63 and the four. So, what does this mean? It means that doubts are not going to mean much anymore. And so when we take these questions and the generating of these different questions, there comes a time when the questions are just questions, they don't actually need answers because the understanding is there. So, what is it to be able to stand in this place of endless questions and not be sort of shaken up by them? And so I love this aspect in the gene keys of being in contemplation because there's contemplation which just takes us into this beautiful open spaciousness arena, and then inquiry which goes up and goes down. So it goes up into the higher frequencies, and it goes deep, deep, deep down into the higher frequencies of the earth plane. Not the lower frequencies, but the higher frequencies of the earth plane. What is it like to do that rather than the lower frequencies of the mind or the lower frequencies of the earth plane? It's a whole different spin on things. But to be in this understanding that doubt has been there in order to help us find the patterns. What are the patterns of fear? What are the logical patterns that have led us into understanding? What are the patterns that are helping me to clear out the illusions that are out there in terms of spirituality or religion or dogma or the political realm? What is this breaking of the Maya because the patterns that I see are actually whole and complete and real? But a lot of people don't go into the patterns, they just stay in the yada yada yada, which is very not self.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:40

I'm wondering, just looking into the future, considering this, for people who continues to get stuck on all of these mental doubts, what's going to happen? Because we're going to have two types of people. One type which we've started to realize that so many things are illusions and our minds are making up so many things, and we begin to surrender to our body. And the other type where we're still trying to cling on to all of these beliefs, what's going to happen when 2027 comes by and the future?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:23

There is a lot of possible futures. You know, there's an infinite number of possible futures. You know, what is it like to remember who I am as a soul in soul incarnate? What is it like for me to be in a frequency of coherence where I'm sensing the infinite wisdom of this flesh body that has got a genetic inheritance of thousands of years? And when I'm meeting something that's discordant outside in the 2027 realm, how am I meeting that? The I guess that the one of the answers that I have come about with on a regular basis is to truly be in the moment. Because it's only in the moment that each of us gets to go. Am I mutating or not? Am I bringing about something that is going to be more positive for the future? Or am I seeding more fear more fear? And so as we get, have you Heard of VUCA?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:03

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:04

VUCA is a um American military acronym. Volatility, uncertainty, complexity, ambiguity. VUCA? It's a goodie. And so when you're hearing out there in the world boots on the ground, the idea is to go, okay, boots on the ground, good. That means that there's VUCA happening. So how do I get to come into experience with VUCA? I've got my strategy, my authority, I understand my different keys, I understand my openness, I understand how I can go into not self-emotionality or reaction or this or that or whatever. Okay, great. So who am I in that moment? So volatility and uncertainty, complexity and ambiguity was exactly like the analogy that I used of standing there in the line at the post office at Christmas. There's people getting really grumpy and volatile because the line's not moving quick enough. Yeah, I mean, this is the early 2000s, right? It's a lot more amped up now. There's the uncertainty if I'm going to get to the front of the line or the person behind me is going to get to the front of the line before they need to get back to work. There's the complexity of the situation. How are they going to be navigating this uncertainty? The complexity of all of the different people and all the different variables and all the different things that could be going on right now. And then there's the ambiguity, the what-ifs. So when we're moving closer and closer towards the shifting of the global cycle, we're moving away from this world that we've come to know and appreciate, the cross of planning, which has given us education and healthcare and family and structures and cities and waste disposal and farming to the table and you know, pressing a button and having a meal delivered, and I mean all sorts of different things, right? Electricity. But a lot of people are going, no, down with this. Healthcare doesn't work. This is bad. That's wrong. Political, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. When all that infrastructure that's kept the cities alive begins to break down, what's going to happen? Well, COVID times with lockdowns gave us a little taste. You know, living on an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, it would take six months before a shipment got in. We ran out of rice for six months on the island. We ran out of flour. My mother, when they when her and dad moved to the island in um 1960, they ran out of flour and rice on a regular basis. You know, it was meant nothing to us to sift out the weevils so that we could still make flour. Well, I make bread. I mean, I learned about this as I got older. It's like, well, no wonder I've got the immune system I do. So what are we, how are we going to be facing this? Well, some people are going to get really volatile and really angry because the life they had become accustomed to is no longer around. And other people will be going, ooh, okay, what am I learning here? What am I what am I getting to experience? What what what is this like? Oh wow, okay. Um, I just realized how reliant I am on my phone, and now I don't have my phone because there's no more power, or the grid's gone down, or Starlink has just cr collapsed, there's no internet. So, you know, what do people rely on when that happens? And so to be able to be adaptive is going to be really, really important. So this is something that I look at is who are the role models that are going to be coming up and you know, showing their little heads and going, I've got a lot of information here, I'm available. Um, and who are those people who are going to be the adapters? And so we've got the early adapters who are now getting called um the tin foil crowd, um, because they've gone taken that information and they're so paranoid that this is going to happen. Um, and then there's the late adapters. You know, it's like, I don't know. But I look at it and I go, it's still, we're still gonna have the experiential way. The 1949 is gonna break. The 3955 is gonna lose its motor. But the 4130, it's still gonna be there. We're still going to be able to be in the experience. And so, you know, what is it like to learn through the experience? Through the experience, not by or of, but through. I like that shift in wording because it means that you know, it's like a water snake goes through, right? It's to have that flexibility of the water snake to be able to move through these different arenas rather than you know, butting heads with the complexity that's there to be an adapter, to be in that younger self third line phase of the sixth line that we're moving into. Because that's going to be really important. So instead of rallying against the system and getting angry, go, oh, okay, cool, what can I do? You know, MacGyver. I remember that being a very popular TV program. I never watched it, but I heard that MacGyver was really good at facing any particular problem and coming up with a solution. And he always had exactly what tools he needed right there on hand. Did you know the MacGyver TV series? No. I didn't think so. Oh no, he's I've lost him there. He doesn't know that one. I think it's it's an American sitcom, but I just remember people like loving it for that particular reason.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:22

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:26

Seems like it's always the external crisis that does all of the unconscious change because we're forced, we're like cornered to have to like adapt either in a um in a loving light, or we're going to fall more into the fear. And I just want to explore deeper into the 49 and 19 gene keys, as I know that's your life's work, and especially with the gift of the 19, which is sensitivity. I when I was reading it, I thought it was really similar to the shadow of the 49 of reaction. So where really is the line drawn between these two gifts and also the shit's shadows?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:25

That's actually uh like where is the line drawn? Um they're both gates of need. Okay, so the nineteen can often be seen as neediness to the 49. Right? So the 49 is looking at the 910, they can go, oh, so needy you, right? Because it's that level of codependency. And then the 19 will look at the 49 and go, oh, so reactive. Ugh, you know, you don't need to be so reactive. And so there's this like shadowy kind of disconnect that goes on there. My question is often, what are we sensitive to? Because its channel is about sensitivity. You know, it's it's this amazing ability to be able to look out into the world and go, okay, I have got an opportunity here to synthesize something. The 19 is about approach. You know, it's the tribe looking up, it's that root energy looking up at the nine at the up over to the other side of the channel of the 49. Um it's often um a marriage of the two. To draw a line in there it's interesting terms because that is what is literally breaking. That's the bond that's breaking. Um the main sense that comes up is that this is truly about sentient awareness. So it's looking at and Native American, it would be Mitakui or Yasin, all my relations. And so this is saying the animal kingdom saying, You're not gonna butcher me anymore. Because the 49 is known as the gate of the butcher, and so it's like you're not gonna butcher me anymore, you're not going to farm me for your food anymore. I'm I'm not going to supply my flesh for your life. And the principals are saying, thank you. Thank you for breaking this bond. Because it's time that we really truly acknowledge the sentient life that is available in all creatures, great and small. You know, this was this was how the Native Americans did it. I mean, it's even in that film Avatar in the beginning. You know, they say thank you to the creature for lending its life. And we've lost that connection with the earth. And so drawing the line is truly coming into that place of what are your true needs? What are the true needs of the human race, of the future human? What is truly needed? What is spirit awareness? What is what is what are you sensitive to? This is a design of being sensitive. And so if we are available and open to remember the true needs of all sentient life, then how does that show up in our eating, in our walking, in our being, in our speaking, in our seeing, in our hearing, in our thinking? How does it shape the life that we can be living? So to be in that true relationship of listening and to to be able to retreat, to go, I don't want to do that anymore. It's not in alignment with the principles that I have. And then the 19 will be going, oh thank goodness I get to live my life out. Because there is great insensitivity in the world. I mean, a lot of my life I was literally told, you're too sensitive. Stop being so sensitive. God, you're totally oversensitive in this moment. Harden up. Don't be such a softy. I mean it the list goes on and on and on. And and I used to be crying inside and going, why am I told to harden up? Why can't other people soften up? If I'm being too sensitive, well, they're being completely insensitive. What would it be like if they weren't so insensitive? And so my little reaction would come out, you know. So what is it like to actually be in that? What are we both sensitive to? And if somebody has not been sensitive, how do I draw the line? I've had to draw a lot of lines in my life. I've had to look at a lot of 19s and I'm sorry, you're not healthy for me. I've got to walk away. It doesn't need to be this way. It could be a different way. And so there is this splitting apart, this gulf that's happening. And the frequency of those of us who are born before 2027 are going to be carrying this frequency on until our death. So we will be carrying this old frequency into the future. And so until the last of us who are born before 2027, when we cross over into the new the new cross, we're still going to be having this frequency on the planet. So it's going to take a good hundred years, you know, to kind of change things. So we've got time. It's not like a night and day thing. It's not going to happen overnight. It's going to take time. And so the more that we can adapt to this early and go, oh, wow. Now, I often get asked, you know, do you still eat meat? And I say, yes, I do. Unfortunately, my body still calls to eat meat. When I'm not living in New Zealand, I've got no interest in eating meat. It is so bizarre. As soon as I leave this country, back to being vegetarian again. So easy. But when I'm here in this country, it's like, I don't know if it's the cold or the damp or the climate or what, but I can be so ungrounded that sometimes my body says to me, I need to eat meat. And I'm like, oh no. All right, I'll do it. But that's the drawing of the line, and that line is just going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. It's going to go from being a little tiny thin string to being a really thick rope. It's going to get bigger.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:38

It's very interesting to hear about this meat experience that you have. And I just want to touch very slightly into it. Is this some kind of like guttural feeling of feeling like you're not filled, or what's telling you to eat the meat in New Zealand?

SPEAKER_03 1:44:57

Um, it's it's been something to be with grounding. Yeah. I had been living here for probably about three, four years, maybe, maybe a little bit longer, and I started having dreams of eating a steak. I was born I was raised with nothing to do with the cow. My body I um was asthmatic, and so my parents found that if I didn't eat, if I didn't have anything to do with the cow, didn't have any red meat, then um I would be less asthmatic. So milk, dairy, even ham, um, couldn't do pork, still can't touch pork. Anything to do with the pig, can't go, can't go near it. It's like I if I eat um bacon or pork of any kind, I can get really, really sad, really sad, because I've taken that energy of the pig into my body. And they're highly intelligent creatures. So I it's yeah, but it's it's literally a grounding. And I've tried, I've tried meditating and you know, doing other kind of protein mixtures of beans and rice and other things, but yeah. Very soon as soon as I leave the country, I'm okay. What to do? I had to surrender. My mind didn't like the surrender. Yeah. And I can now go weeks without eating red meat. And in those weeks I'm really happy because I haven't had to eat it. Yeah. The easiest meat that I came across eating um was um buffalo when I was up in Ashland, Oregon, and I had that same feeling, like I needed to eat some meat, and a friend of mine said, try some buffalo. And I was like, I can't do that. It's buffalo, you know? And they said, just try it. And I I only needed a little tiny, tiny piece, and um, and it gave me exactly what my body needed.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:46

Speaking about the new humans, I just want to delve into a couple sentences from Richard's book, which I found super interesting, so we could talk about them. And one of the quotes says, One of the traits of the new human will be an incredible sensitivity that is far beyond being psychic. The awareness in such a being will not recognize itself as being separate from other human beings, thus, they will work for all humanity without caring for themselves. And for anyone interested in reading about this, I'll also link the 19th and the 49th in the description so you guys can also read along. But with this sentence, I'm just wondering like, how can we prepare for the new humans?

SPEAKER_02 1:48:39

Become one.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:46

Become it. So we've been talking about the mind, right? Being in this this quiet mind. If one is in a quiet mind, what are they available to hearing?

SPEAKER_00 1:49:05

Everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:06

Yeah. Did you ever read the um Aragon books? There were there was a couple of them were made into a movie. The books are way better, because books normally are. Um, but in there, um, Aragon goes to the land of the elves. It's an amazing story when it comes to elves. E R A G O N, I think it's the name of the first book, Aragon. Anyway, he um he's got this dragon and he goes to the elves, and one of the things that he's told is to go sit on a stump and listen. And he comes back, master asks him, What did you hear? Nothing. You know, back out there. What did you hear? You know, a few things here and there. Back out there. And so this goes on, right? Because he's got so much chatter in his mind that he's not hearing. And then he tries to do a bit of magic. And basically what happens is that he realizes that every time he is doing magic, he is killing a creature. Something is dying. It's giving up its energy for him to be able to do this. So this quote of having an incredible sensitivity that is far beyond psychic, what is it to be in this level of incredible sensitivity? And so that insensitivity with eating flesh, the insensitivity of meeting other humans, to be able to lessen those more and more and to come into this place of high sensitivity. The awareness field is more than being psychic. Because psychic is like I'm reading somebody else's thoughts, right? None of us want our thoughts read. We want to be shielding our thoughts from each other. But sensitivity is it's the solar plexus awareness. So without the 19 fueling that 49, the 49 goes deep into the solar plexus. And so it becomes this pure awareness. The solar plexus is losing its motor. And so you've got this vagus nerve that's that's you know, the vagus nerve that comes that splits. Do you know the vagus nerve? Okay. V-A-G-U-S. It comes down, it's it's a cranial nerve 10, comes down, splits into two, comes down into the body, connects in with the heart, the lungs, the liver, the spleen, the digestive tract. So it's got this full-on solar plexus awareness. It has more afferent neurons than efferent. So the neurons go, they take information and they bring it up to the brain. The brain is this amazing processing system, right? It's a multidimensionary computer. And so this incredible sensitivity is not in the brain, but it is this solar plexus awareness that's able to go, oh my goodness, I am aware of all of these different things. So that's when we begin to go, there is no separation. Because the fluidity of frequency goes through all these different ways of being human. We become much more sensitive to everybody and understanding that if I do something negative here, it's going to go around and around and around and around and then come back to me again. Karma in its simple form. So we'll be able to care for all of humanity as well as caring for ourselves, because there is this sensitivity that what I do to another person I'm also doing to myself. I mean, that's one of the basic teachings of Jesus. Swinging back to the ascent, do no harm, love your neighbor as thyself. Why? Because he could understand. And it's it's not just other human beings, it's actually all sentient life.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:18

And what that means is that we have to just surrender to our beings, and that wraps back to the whole thing of like watching the mind and how it's judging.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:31

Yeah.

unknown 1:54:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:33

And that's because judgment is creating separation. Projection creates more separation. So what is it when we go, oh, there's actually no separation? Um a beautiful Indian tradition is looking at Indra's net and or Indra's web as it's also known. And um I remember as a kid, I don't know where it came from. I think I'd gone to church one day with some friends, and they were talking about um Joseph's coat of many colors. It was it was somewhere, it was one of the churches, and and I remember thinking about this coat of many colours and how each of us has this coat that we carry with us. And the coat of many colors is only as colorful as it is that we are sensitive to what it is that we are creating in life, and so it's actually up to me to shine up all of these different patches on this coat to clean it up so that everything is, you know, coherent in high frequency or true frequency. High is it's a word. Um, but yeah, it's that it's not separate. You know, we we each have our own cloak, but our own cloak is part of the grander cloak, and that's where Indra's web is really beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:16

This makes me connect to the stage yellow of the spiral dynamics, where it's all about like systems thinking, understanding holism, and also requisite variety, which you mentioned. And I know it's been a while since you've looked into spiral dynamics. So I would just love to learn more about uh your understanding on stage yellow and also what's beyond stage yellow, which is also stage turquoise. But first, let's just look at stage yellow.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:50

I remember when I first learned about spiral dynamics, and I'm like, what do you mean we're we're ending here? Um, well, what else is there? And when they brought in yellow and turquoise, I was like, oh yeah, no, that that I recognize. Like that that rings true. This other stuff, it just doesn't ring true. Um, and of course, I was told that I didn't know what I was talking about, and you know, whatever. But it's this the the understanding that we as we are evolving as humans, um, and we're moving up a spiral. And to be looking at all these different spirals and going, you know, what's there in terms of the mind? What is there in terms of looking at how tribal we are, or that that angriness of the the red anger, you know, it's the maturity level of humans as we're moving through. So if we look at purple, you know, purple is is the lower one, it's the early, it's not as early as beige, but it's it's very early. So it's very much about observing rituals. Purple in a higher form is taking traditions and turning it into something that is a fair treatment to all in blue. And then that moves even further up, which is green. But if we go beige to red to orange, it's a different realm. So purple to blue to green, and then into turquoise. Red beige to red to orange to yellow. Do you see how I'm going up two sides of the spiral? I kind of experience it a little bit differently. How to simplify it. Again, I look at this and I go, there's nothing wrong with the lower levels. Because a lot of people look at a lower level and they go, Oh, you know, we need to be in the higher tiers. We need to be in the aspects of awakening. When we're in the lower tiers, it's seen in the world of being more um more tribal, more business-like. Uh definitely more of what we're experiencing here in this time of about self with symbols of success and ways of being recognized through plaques and money, right? The greenies, of course, they come along and they're going, oh, well, you know, I want to be about feeling and I want to look after the plants, and I want to look after this, and I want to look after that. And not everybody really likes that because they believe that that is stopping progress. So you can see how there is this orange aspect of going, we want progress, and there's the green aspect of going, but we've got to look after the planet. Right? And then there's the purple guys coming in going, yes, but it's all about ritual. We need our ritual. If we come back to ritual, then the world's gonna be a better place. Maybe, maybe not. So when we come into yellow, yellow is very much about systems. I look at yellow and I don't know, I I don't resonate to it. I look at turquoise and I'm like, oh yeah, cool. That's good. Yellow still feels like it's it's in that thinking mind. It's got the strategicness of of how things can be done. And yet, yellow is still needed for the transition of where we are now and where we're going. So if you were to look around you and go, who in your life or who in the outer world that you're seeing, do you see as a role model for yellow? Who would that be?

SPEAKER_00 2:02:48

It makes me instantly think of like those gurus online, but I I mean I don't know them in a personal level, so you can be sure.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:56

Yeah. Because they're talking about the needs of the people, right? But does it still feel like it's the needs of the individual or the needs of the people?

SPEAKER_00 2:03:12

Yeah. I think it's been interesting because some teachers online, like you can see once they build like a fan base or like a popularity, then their ego starts to take over.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:26

Whereas I don't feel like turquoise does that. Turquoise is more what you've brought up with the nineteenth gene key, where it's working all of for all of humanity. And so there is the aspect of surrendering to self, right? Surrendering the self. So we move into a place of the interconnectedness of all. So to be in a healthy perspective of I'm here for me, how can that actually be there for the individual when we are all connected? It gets messy because, like you said, a lot of gurus are saying, I'm here for the people. But then they begin buying lots of Mercedes and Royals Royce and those kinds of things, right? It's like the trappings of prosperity take on another world. Whereas when we're looking in the gene keys about prosperity, prosperity is not just about financial well-being, but it's also how much joy and satisfaction and pleasure and like it's comes back to love. You know, like how much love is there in someone's life, and so this aspect of yellow is wanting to kind of oversee the whole process, but it's still a process. Whereas turquoise is kind of going, it's all there. And processes happen because everybody is playing their own unique part. I get the sense that with turquoise there's a lot less fear. That's the sense that I get. When I when I fell into yellow, I still feel there's fear there. You know, it's still got that aspect of power and fear. Yeah. I did do some sort of contemplation on that particular question. With turquoise, it was what I was talking about earlier with holding truth in difference. And so that differentiated beingness. Um, it's going, you know, we both have the 49th gene key, we both have the 49th gate, whatever we want to call it. And I'm able to honor completely another person's 49th principles, even if they're not my principles. So it's holding those two differences as sacred. It's not going, oh no, no, no. It's my principles. You know, mine are the ones that are going to save the world. If everybody lived according to my principles, the world would be a better place. Well, no, because there'd be, you know, little miis running around. I don't want a whole bunch of little mi's running around. I want a whole bunch of people running around being themselves. That to me is the frequency the turquoise comes in. Whereas a lot of gurus are. When people speak from the you, there is a real difference from speaking from the I and speaking from the you. Have you noticed how many talking gurus speak from the you?

SPEAKER_00 2:07:50

A lot. Because they they they tell you directly on what you should do and like it. It creates a division.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:58

Exactly. That's it. It's a division. It's a division. Whereas, I mean, when people start talking from the you, I honestly I will literally just glaze over and pull back and most of the time just shut the computer down. I I when I noticed this linguistic pattern, um, I began to turn off more and more. I was like, nah, not doing it. Because what I value, and so this is where my principles come into play. What I value is when I hear people from speaking from their embodied experience. And so some people have said, God dear, you know, I wish you didn't always speak from the eye. It's not all about you. And I'm going, but I ask a lot of questions, and they're like, oh yeah, you do too. You do ask a lot of questions. So do you want to actually hear my experience? Yes, I do. And sometimes it conflicts with my experience, and I've got to suck it up and listen to that, and sometimes I'm not able to do that, you know? Like this is still, I'm growing into this aspect. But it's to me, it's really important to be going to ask the question, you know, what does that frequency feel like to you? And and what does it feel like for you? Not just to you, but for you. It's a very small shift in words. It's like through instead of to or at. So it's recognizing the deeper intelligence within each individual and the deeper intelligence that lies in the living frequency. Because we are soul incarnate, we are a living being. How many medical doctors studied the body of a dead person rather than studied the body of the live person? It's why it took so long to understand about fascia and the divine intelligence that goes through this particular system in the body, because they only ever saw it dead. They never got to see it alive. And so people were like, oh, we don't need fascia. You know, it's not necessary, but it's the main frequency holder of the living frequency and the intelligence of the body. So of course it's really important. So when we look at frequency, it's like, oh yeah. So then we're shifting that emphasis of I'm curious how this is you showing up as a differentiated being. Swinging back to that question. What is one of the main things that we can prepare for the future? Be ourself. Don't be another person. Be yourself. And as Ra said, love yourself. What is it to wake up in the morning and look at yourself in the mirror and go, gosh, I am so grateful to be alive. I get to do the dishes today, I get to eat today, I get to go for a walk today, I get to practice being human today. Wonder what I'm gonna have. It's that innocence. The divine innocence, the divine fool that kind of wakes up and goes, Oh my god, what do I get to experience today? That's more turquoise than anything. Is kind of coming in and going, yeah, well, you know, that's really good, but um we're still going to have to manage the whole process. There's no management that's coming in in the future. We're each gonna be self-managing. Hence FUCA. So I hope that kind of answered the question. I went on a little bit of a roundabout way.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:30

That was really good. It makes me think of the interdependent relationships. So you first need the independence, and then from that you can create this interdependence.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:42

Codependence, interdependence. Yeah. Yeah. So it's really shifting our levels of consciousness. And what's the end? Who knows? What are we capable of? Oh my god, that's amazing. Because each of us has distinct frequencies and ways of being and perception and expression. No, so to understand, to honor and understand ourselves rather than to try and correct or override these needs coming into the 49 and the 19, letting it go. But what is it to really recognize each human being and honor each human being? That's pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah. You asked a question earlier about why I don't like, you know, harping on about the not self. It's the same thing here. You know, if we're constantly being told or telling somebody how their experience should be, if we're clinging tightly to definitions, then we're holding strong into that old way of being. And so we can't become our own primary authority. Because that's what's really important is to fully be in this place of, yeah, I am a divine being. And I'm here to live that out. What would that be like?

SPEAKER_00 2:14:34

Yeah. Something that came up, which I remembered um during our first chat, which I like slightly asked about, which I think connects really well with this conversation is ETs and aliens and um galactic beings, especially so many different like spiritual individuals looking into these things. And to a certain extent, I'm thinking that it's like, yes, it kind of connects with also the soul, but also you're looking for external authority. So I'm wondering what's your experience with channeling these ETs and just overall on this subject.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:21

Yeah, so human design came about because Ra listened to a voice. Right? The voice said, Are you ready to work? Um in nineteen eighty-seven there was definitely something happened with the supernova, and things went all a bit skew. Um, and there was the availability for a lot of people to link minds with beings that were either shimmery and not seen or didn't have a physical body, and were looking to pass on the wisdom. Um the challenge is that a lot of people have got their own filters, and so there is the need, so to speak, to be a clear filter. Um, and to not buy into the fear that is there in the possibilities. So what is it to be freed of that fear? Um it's a hard one, right? Um some channels I've listened to are amazing. There's still the ability of the speaker to come from the place of you rather than to not come from the place of you. In ninety-seven, I'm sorry, eighty-seven, um I had my own sort of ET experience. It was um not my first one, um, you know, been a few on the island. And but there I was actually asked to, I was told that I was a good channel. Uh I was actually told more than that. But it always sounds really strange when I say it. So I'll say it anyway. They said to me, You're one of the most powerful channels to walk the planet. And I'm going, I think you got the wrong person, but thank you. Anyway, they um encouraged me to go out into the desert with them and where there were a bunch of ships. And I was like, I'm bringing a friend of mine. And so I got this friend of mine to go out to the desert with me, and we walk into the house because we it's a house on the edge of the desert, and there was a big fence there because there was javelinas on the other side of the fence, and um, I guess the javelinas weren't gonna bother with the ETs. And we walk in the door, and um my friend kind of goes, Oh, I'm feeling really tired. I'm just gonna sit down. And she literally just sat on the step and lolled her head and she was she was out. And I was like, Okay, that's a little bit strange, but I guess that she's just been put to sleep and she'll wake up soon. And so I walked out the back and out into the um the fence near the out into the back garden. And they the guy said to me, just go stand over there on the edge and you'll know what to do. I said, Okay. So no training, nothing, no understanding of what's going on, just me as a raw 20-year-old. And um, so I go and I stand there and um I don't see anything. And I look out and it's like, oh, there's a little bit of shimmering, and you know, maybe there's some shapes, but it's dark, it's you know, 10 o'clock at night, it's really dark, or eight o'clock at night. And um anyway, I stood there for a while and and then I closed my eyes and I felt a lot, and so this aspect of channeling and receiving information is depending on the person, and in human design, we can look at what is your supersense. Well, mine turns out to be feeling. I'm low sound, highly sensitive to frequency, and it's about feeling, and I also have inner vision, but I need to be in a very safe environment, and I need to surrender, and it's been pretty tough a lot of my life surrendering to trusting, you know, who it is that I'm hanging out with. And um when I went back and the guys asked me, you know, what did you see and what did you hear? And I was like, well, nothing. Because I didn't. But they didn't ask me what did you feel, they just asked me what did you see and what did you hear? And they didn't ask me what did I feel, and it's been quite fascinating because I was, you know, when I talked to friends about this experience, they said to me, Oh, you're dealing with the devil incarnate, and that's terrible, and that's hell, and you can't have anything to do with these people, and they're they're gonna like they're they're bad, and and it was really, really negative. But nobody asked me how I felt. And so it wasn't until about a year or so later when I was living in San Diego, and friends of mine would, you know, start asking me different questions, and we're sitting in a nice warm little small living room, and and um, and I would close my eyes and all sorts of things came out of my mouth. Well, I've got the unconscious 4323. I understand this now. It's like I begin to see how design can actually help us know what it is that we're receiving, and what I received from these guys was basically ways to practice healing. Because that was the team that I went and talked to. It was the team of healers, and it's been very much about presence and the interconnectedness of all, which is a lot of what we've been speaking about. It's about honoring the earth body and living very comfortably on this earth and being surrendered to love, to the divine. So over the years I've taken a lot of what I received and just brought it into as much normality as I possibly can without it being woo-woo or dramatic or tinfoil hat kind of thing. Because that's not the world I live in. I don't want this to be something, you know, that people have got to go and pay ten thousand dollars for an hour. I I just look at that and I'm like, no, that's not what these guys experienced. But I did begin writing a story about it. And um your question has kind of prompted me to get back into the writing of it and extrapolate a bit more on uh what it was that I received, and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:27

Yeah. I mean, I'd definitely be interested to read about this story.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:33

Yeah. Yeah. The main message that I got from these guys is literally, you know, presence to be in that level of presence, to really Yeah. I mean the fear, the yearning, the hope, the pain, the remorse of not listening was huge. I did get that, and it was it was painful because what they did not listen to were the ones who said connect to the earth, connect to the planet. The remorse was following the lineages of going more electrical in terms of machine. And that that worries me in this day and age too. So that was why when you were, you know, asking about the 19 and that being prepared for the future, I'm like, be you. And this is what I hope for all of humanity. I mean, I had this vision years ago of walking into a classroom of kids and um seeing them all just being themselves, and I realized that there was absolutely nothing I needed to teach them about psychic awareness because they had it all. It was the um that movie series about um mutants X-Men. They all had their superpowers and they knew how to be in their superpowers and the deliciousness and the joy and the beauty of all of that and helping things to grow and blossom and live. Yeah. Yeah.

unknown 2:26:59

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:59

Awesome.

SPEAKER_00 2:27:10

I'm just taking a look and I just noticed we were nearly at the two hour and thirty minute mark. But it was an amazing conversation and really just thank you, Dia, for everything that you've done and your sharings on this podcast.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:41

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 2:27:42

Yeah, super excited with the future of humanity. Probably we'll make another episode sooner or later. But until then, I'll link all of your contacts and all of the website stuff in the description for anyone who wants to check out Dia's work. And to anyone who's still tuning in, sending you guys lots of peace and lots of love from both of our ends. And we'll catch you guys in the next one. Peace out.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:18

Thank you.