EP8 - Colin Wee: How to Master Your Mind with Quantum

What is that inner voice in our mind? This voice holds 99% of our thoughts, many of which are fears, anxiety, limiting beliefs, that suppresses our full potential and ability to love ourselves and others.

Colin Wee is an entrepreneur who runs a regenerative wellness clinic and recently sold his wine importing business. He’s also been on personal development for 30+ years; Ryion Pun is an author, former finance director at Amazon and researcher focused on building conscious AI.

They explain:

◼ How New Scientific Discoveries on Quantum Affects our Everyday Life

◼ The Difference Between Mind and Intuition Decision Making

◼ The 2 Tools That Helps You Develop Deep Self Understanding

◼ Why Billionaires Face Anxiety Everyday & How to Avoid This

◼ Creating Relationships in Society that Brings Fulfilment

Timestamps:
00:00 - Colin Background 
05:02 - Ryion’s Background

~ Groundbreaking Discoveries
09:13 - Quantum physics & personal growth
16:20 - The “Pre-sent” Moment’s Illusion
19:45 - Energy States

~ The Mind, Intuition, Knowledge
22:45 - Judging vs Witnessing
25:35 - Steve Jobs on Intuition
29:36 - The Soldier’s Illusion of War
33:19 - Jensen Huang’s Interview with Joe Rogan
34:39 - Habit Hacking
36:46 - Acceptance is Abundance
39:48 - Spotify Artists
42:20 - Asking for Help
44:56 - Weight Loss & Dieting Experiment
53:03 - Assumptions vs Knowledge
55:55 - Distraction vs Genuine Intuition
01:04:02 - Why do we “label” things?
01:08:42 - Colin on Memorising Chemistry Equations
01:10:32 - The Era of Individuality
01:11:57 - Billionaire’s Inheritance

~ Relationships & Society
01:17:47 - Holding grudges with my parents
01:23:50 - Parenting
01:28:49 - Supporting others.. how?
01:33:48 - Echo Chambers vs Personal Truth
01:36:38 - Coaching
01:40:27 - Society as an Orchestra
01:45:31 - The Essence of Culture
01:47:10 - The Trio Synthesis
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Episode Resources:

https://www.instagram.com/colinjudewee/
https://linktr.ee/ryionpun
https://www.instagram.com/bosco.yiu/
https://linktr.ee/awakendiaries

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Joe Rogan and uh Jesser Wang. Jesser shares a story where he says, I wake up every day with anxiety because he feels that he's still 30 days away from bankruptcy.

SPEAKER_03 0:10

There is a war that we thought that the hustle that we were taught to keep going and keep doing. And we actually haven't been the time to stop and really think about who told me to hustle? What is the meaning of this? What am I hustling for?

SPEAKER_00 0:29

Hey everyone, welcome to the Awakened Diaries Podcast, where each week we have the privilege to sit with sages, entrepreneurs, and experts from various fields to learn about different tools and ideas that can help us understand ourselves deeply and grow in the realms of health, wealth, and relationships. Today's episode is a pretty special episode because I think it relates a lot to our daily life, especially when we think about the voices in our heads. A lot of the times what we realize is that 90% of the thoughts are limiting beliefs, no matter if it's fears or if it's what ifs or if it's judgment to someone, and unconsciously that really limits our potential in loving ourselves and also loving others. So what we're going to be discussing in this podcast is helping you find some tools and strategies to allow you to understand how to discriminate between the mind and the ego judging something and also what is actually authentic, what actually you feel on the inside, so then you can start living more towards that natural self and become more fulfilled and happy. And in today's podcast, I'm also super honored to be joined along by two of my good friends, Colin Wee, who's an entrepreneur who recently sold his wine business and now is running a regenerative clinic in Malaysia, which is super cool. And also Ryan Pun, who's the author of Awakened Purpose and a Conscious AI Builder. So how this podcast will run is in the beginning, you'll get a little taster on where Colin and Ryan is coming from regarding the background of personal development, and you'll most likely hear some tools that you may not be that familiar with. And not too worry because after the 20-minute mark, we actually begin to explain these tools. And what's most important is grasping the insights and the understanding that comes from these tools and really integrating it into your life so then you can start becoming more fulfilled and live on your potential. So without further ado, happy listening, and let's get straight into the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Yeah, so we connected through a mutual friend. Um obviously, we've we are all on uh sort of a journey, and um yeah, we really connected on the yeah, on that self-development part, the self-discovery part, and in particular, we were discussing about human design and gene keys, um, which I guess we can put a little link below uh so that people can read a little bit about that. But basically, what I've experienced in my own journey is that these tools, whether it be human design or gene keys or astrology, um, all these things, what I sense now is just another way to um view um who you are as a person. Maybe we can use the term the soul. Um, and as a as a father, as a parent, uh I see that you know in a very direct way. Because when you look at a kid, you know, when they're really young, um they already have this uniqueness about them, you know, a distinction. You you if if you have multiple kids, it will be probably even more clear. And sometimes they are even twins and they still can have different personalities, different um core uh traits. And so for me, using this human design gene keys is basically a way to rediscover the essence of who you are, it's just a potentiality and just a window into who you are. Um you don't have to take it as the truth, you don't have to take it as a fact, but you can just take it as a suggestion, you know, and it's just showing you something about yourself, and then you are the one who is gonna decide whether you wanna walk into that thing, or maybe you're not ready yet, and that's fine. Um, but for my own journey, I I've tried so many things, you know. I've even got people to do face readings on me just because they're like, Colin, Colin, I've met this guy, you know, he helped me for seven years, uh, and I would really like to for you to meet him. And I was like, Yeah, I'm curious, I'll try. Uh, and I went there, and of course, I've done other stuff like you know, maybe a parts of the reading or something like that. And and what I realized is what these guys do, and and and he he said it in a really good way, right? He said that um I might be a face reader, and I but I I'm that's not my job. He says his job is to use the tools that he has at his disposal, like face reading, to help motivate, inspire, and encourage his clients, whether they might be MBA players, sports athletes, businessmen. And so when he was speaking to me and telling me all these things about myself, of course I resonated with some more than others, but the real real idea is that it's a real way, one of the ways that you can see your potentials, all the potentials, and some of them that you might not even know, might not even realize, and that just gives you um just opens your opens your possibilities. And I think in this world, especially how we have so many um things that are changing, so much uncertainty. Um this helps us a lot to have some sort of true grounding, right? Because if your core is it might be very multifaceted, it might be a lot of different things, but at the at the at the same time, the core is grounded in something, right? It doesn't sort of move, it can evolve, but it comes from a fundamental base. And if we can know ourselves just a little bit better, you know, that's gonna help us uh in our daily lives, and that's how I've benefited the most from uh all these things, and you know, gene keys and human design in particular, they are so intricate, you know, there's so um there's so much info there, there's so much wisdom there, and you know, today I might get something from a jean key, and one month later I'll get something totally different. It's like how you could read a book, and every time you read it, you might get something slightly different. So for me, it's like it's just such an interesting um tool, such an interesting uh modality. Uh, and you know, I wish that um more people would be exposed to some of this, um just so that they can know themselves better. I think in a world where things are changing so much and there's so much uncertainty, um if you come from a place of knowing, if you come from a place of at least understanding, um it's gonna you know give you such a strong base to to move in your life, whichever direction you wish. So that's my that's my experience in in a nutshell.

SPEAKER_03 7:41

Cool. So maybe I can go next. Um actually I uh come across metaphysics since I was young, because my aunt, um, who is a feng shui master, uh and she actually self-learned everything from feng shui to uh purple stars, food, face reading, palms reading, everything. She self-learned because she actually learned it from I guess she was really good in with Chinese language. Um so actually actually read the ancient Chinese. Um, so the ancient book to to learn that. So I actually exposed to that when since I was young, but I was actually absolutely against it. And the and and back then it was just real that like one, you know, like we are mostly you know Western trained, um, it's all about science, and those things make no sense to me. Um and and I just haven't like in our my mind we're just not able to connect with us like for for the longest time. Right. Until then I think fast forward when I exposed were exposed to uh human design engine keys, right? So in probably the past few years. And then suddenly something click. And what click is that what I and and I what I noticed in the past and now, the big difference is that back then a lot of metaphysics and even my aunt actually, she doesn't do the fear-based talk, but most of the uh uh traditional ways of talk about uh these type of things, is it put so much fear into us. Like so it actually just say I can predict your future, but has never been positioned as a self-knowledge, it's never positioned as a self-improvement tool. It's more like a authoritative person telling you your life sucks and this is what the 5,000 things that you need to buy to save your life. And that was very like um against my belief um um in in the past. But when I open to um when I start learning about uh human design, and still, yeah, I would say that there is like um two camps. One camp of um the content creator out there is still a bit of a fear base. Um but the majority and we actually learn and understand um this type of tool, what I when I actually reflect and contemplate um uh what the tool was telling me, I found that it's actually like, oh now I understand why um there is area that I struggle and that's area that I thrive. And that actually gives me the language on that makes total sense that why I'm good at what I'm good at and when why I'm bad at what I'm bad at. Without the tool, I might continue to push for things that it doesn't flow with me because I thought that was that's what I supposed to do, um, unconsciously. So I think these two for me the biggest aha moment is that it allows me to it almost like a manual, like a user manual of my own self, myself, to be like, oh okay, that makes total sense now. And I could, and it's still my choice, I can choose to go with the throw. Or I was like, no, actually, I can actually I will also choose to challenge the throw, but now it's a conscious decision. So whichever step it is, that become allow me, it doesn't dictate who am I, but allowed me to consciously to choose my reality. And I think that's where the um real realization comes in when human when I you know expose to human design. Then if I and you know, because my background, I I always like to deep dive and analyze stuff, then now I layer on the human design back with the more traditional like Eastern uh tools like bother and and and purple star, and it's like, oh actually, they are very aligned in terms of the fundamental of um my my user menu, right? But but but then it was just described differently. So if you're removing the noise and how people interpret it, and you kind of like become your own interpreter of the tool, then all of a sudden it's like, oh yeah, they're all they are quite aligned with uh who I am. And one tool is like probably a thousand years old, and one tool is 40 years old, and it's like that is quite for me is quite amazing. That like how can that different tools like so far apart in terms of uh discovery of these tools that have so much similarity? So something going on there, uh which continue to explore why that is, right? And Gene Key, you know, using uh actually the similar structure, right? So for all the tools, it's using a very similar structure of the 64 keys from from the um hexagram. And then Gin Key actually lay on so much depth into who I can become, right? And this depth is not that like a fear-based thing that you must do X, you must do Y, but really bringing us to a beautiful journey, right? Going to explore and contemplate our fear, our our shadow, and then into gift, right? Into what can we become. And I think that like 64 keys like become just a um almost like there's a different I I kind of almost see as like a different archetype for all of us to continue to evolve in this beautiful journey. So I do th yeah, so that's why I start like really learn how to use this to consciously, right? And not like um and and I do see one pitfall sometimes people will fall into, for example, would be especially because of social media, we'll say, Oh, I am a generator, I must be XYC, oh, I'm a projector, I must be XYC, oh I can't do this because I I I do that. Like so you kind of go into this like loop uh of looking at the tool to tell you what can you cannot be done instead of looking at the tool and telling you what you can be done. So I think that mindset uh is also very important as we use those tools is that um how well do we focus on, and do we focus on how to move us forward or how uh oh can but if we don't do that, sometimes I see people it's like it's uh become an excuse on how to not do certain not act on certain things. So that's kind of like what I wanted to share is like how the two can be powerful if we use it consciously, but it also could become um a blockage for us if we use it negatively.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

Yeah, I really like what you both mentioned because I feel like my path was also really similar in terms of like the insights of what I've got in terms of like the options which you've mentioned, Colin, and also um the fear-based mode versus the gift mode, as Ryan mentioned. And I actually just want to add a bit of quantum physics here because, especially for a lot of us, like we're we're logical minds, right? We always want to get things science-backed. And I've recently been reading a book called A Happy Pocket Full of Money, and this book is a really good book that explains really this whole illusion that we've been living in. And I just want to read like a part of that book, a little quote. Um, talking about a subatomic particle, it's not really a particle in the way that a grain of sand is a particle, while atomic and larger particles are objects or things. Subatomic particles are not objects as such, they are probabilities of existence and at the same time multiple existences, and they are also wave-like and particle-like at the same time. And what that basically means is our understanding of science has like moved on to the next level. Like, we right now, a lot of the times in school, we're taught that things in the most fundamental level are matter, but then there is actually a level beyond matter, which is energy, right? Energy and sounds. And one really unique feature about energy and sounds is that it's always vibrating, and it's either vibrating at a high vibration or low vibration. And you may now ask, like, how does this connect to this whole like self-discovery and personal journey? And what that means, if you think about it, is that we're all made of these energy particles, and that means that we have, as the book said, probability of existence, meaning that we can choose how we react to a certain situation, and there's always like a high vibration in something, there's always a low vibration, and I think that ties really well with these modalities, especially with the gene keys, where they have the three different states. Once you look into it, there's the shadow state, and then there's also the gift state, and there's also the city state. And what you'll start to realize is that all three of these states are fundamentally the same essence, but then they're just expressed in a different form. And one of them is expressed in a lower vibration, another one is in a slightly higher one, and then the city one's in the high vibration. And what this means for us is that we actually have way more free will than what we actually think, because normally the shadow vibration is the things where we victimize ourselves or where we're always fear-oriented. But then, if we're able to see what the fundamental essence is and what the higher vibration is, so then we can then figure out what resonates with us and tune more into that higher vibration, right? It provides us with the options, with the alternatives whenever we face these circumstances where we're really suffering. And another thing that I've discovered with quantum, I know I'm going on a crazy explanation here, is that a lot of the things that we're seeing in life right now, like around us, if you just look at your computer or your chair or how you're interacting with someone, is that all of these things are actually the past. Like our understanding of time is really an illusion because if you think about how you interact with someone, how they actually feedback to you is how you interacted with them in the past. So all of the time you're actually just interacting with your past. And how this can be super powerful is that it shows you how you have control of the present moment, and it's all just about the now. So then you can actively change onto the past.

SPEAKER_03 19:26

No, I really like that. I think you know, like to add on your to your last piece of the comment, right? It's really if we currently what our experience is just an experience of our past creation of whoever we we were, right? So which means and and because we have time space in on earth, so therefore it has to delay it. Right. So our current, like whatever we're creating today, right? So three of us, we create this podcast today, whatever our thoughts come in today, we know this will be our future. We know that our current consciousness creates our future, right? Like, and and this future is getting shorter and shorter, right? Which means that that the reality will come in faster and faster, right? It's that that's just because we have become more aware of this. So I really like that like you bring in the quantum um side of it because finally, right, like um of all the metaphysics that we talk about, actually, it is like in a way, it is quantum physics and the quantum entanglement, right? That's kind of really like show proof that there is a difference between the form and the wave and and attention. Right? The quantum physics have focused that when we spend our attention, and only when the attention happens, the wave become forms, right? And then it creates certain things. So, which means that whatever we are we focus on now, it will become reality in the near future, and it gets easier and easier because we are aware of it, right? Um, so so you know, I I I really like I I really enjoy bringing back peace back. And I think before quantum physics becomes like a popular knowledge or like a common knowledge, it is so hard for um uh this type of tools like human design and gene key to have a really solid foundation, right? Because it still sounds very woo woo, right? But I think aligning with quantum physics, it feels like, yeah, actually the things start to align, right? Um so yeah, very happy we are on this path.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Wow. Amazing. I didn't know this is going to be a quantum physics discussion, but now I'm getting more excited. But yeah, I'll make some comments as well. I really like what you said. You know, there's also this concept. As you said that I have this con I just thought of this concept in physics, right? You know, there's this concept of energy states, right? And when, for example, in the process of like, let's say like an LED, like a diode, when it receives this excitation, uh, it gets into a higher energy state, right? And then in order to go back to its stable state, it has to release a photon, right? Energy, basically. And so when I when you were speaking about that, you know, my thought was basically, or my feeling was basically that, you know, that's when when we are in high energy state, when we are vibrating at that level, whatever you want to call it, the gift, the CD level, or high vibrational state, it is almost natural that you have to give this energy out to others. And when you work on yourselves, on yourself, which is the truest form of self-love, uh, that's only how you can begin to love others in the true way. So yeah, so true, so true.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

Amazing. And that's self-love, I think, is like it kind of leads into like when you're at that highest state of being, like self-love, and it turns into unconditional love, right? Because we have no more lack. Uh and and when there's no lack, the only natural state is to gift. Amazing, amazing. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

We need to talk more about physics, I guess. Or at least our brains work that way.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

Well, and and and and it's true, especially, I think that you know I was um talking to Bosco yesterday too. It's like um especially for men, it feels like that we have this trauma procage that we can only through the logical route to convince ourselves to touch our heart and our emotion, versus um women and girls, they're a lot easier like naturally to open that up because probably like the natural feminine energy is uh more prominent. Um even so, actually, like when when when you talk to like female clients, actually, it's also that they are also driven by masculine energy, which brought a lot of this like um opening up this feeling. And I actually also wonder like how does this tool right uh help us, especially men, right, in terms of going within a bit easier and more like it can go from that logical and soften up that logic into the heart space.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see that, yeah, I see that. Alright.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Yeah, I think that's a very interesting point that you bring up because especially when I'm going through all of these different modalities, one thing I notice is that it's like the modality itself is really seven-centered, and that means that it's still really like mind-focused, even though it is showing us how to reconnect back with our authentic self. So at times there may be particular spheres or particular areas in your life where maybe you're not as spiritually ahead compared to other um areas of your life, and then sometimes you may feel bad about it, and then your brain will start like judging it, and because you have to act this way, you have to act that way according to all of these different modalities. But then what I've realized is it's more helpful to be the witness, right? Be the witness of what your body says and kind of let go of your mind. Because I think the overall point of these modalities is really to teach us to surrender because we've been so mind fixated for our entire lives, and we've seen how that have brought, of course, a lot of prosperity. This is how like the whole society was basically built because someone had to think of some kind of thought in order to build like this chair or to build this computer, but then you could also see how when you lean too much to the spectrum of being so mind-fixated, you start to generate all of these illusions, all of these um fears, which are not reality, right? These fears which are just blockages and stopping you from reconnecting with that creative essence within you. I think a really good example I've always thought about was like Steve Jobs, right? Steve Jobs, before he created Apple, he went on a retreat eight months in India with a monks and then learning all of all about these spiritual essence. And then afterwards, you can probably assume that his mind cleared up, right? He's able to free up this creative space, which led him to found Apple, which revolutionizes the world. So eventually, we always have to balance this force of thinking and then also clearing your mind. And really, it's especially I think for us hustlers, because you know, we're trying to always build stuff, it's very important to balance both working periods and also resting periods, even though that may sound like oh, you're letting your guard down. But then through those resting periods, what I've found is that it number one helps make you be more effective whenever you're working, and number two, you might actually find some insights in stillness that just automatically gets downloaded to you. So that's I think something really beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

Yeah. Well, I I want to comment on that for sure.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

Like you brought up that the example of Steve Jobs, I love it, right? So I love that example as well, and what I got from it was that so he went there and he said, I if I'm if I'm not quoting him directly, but in maybe paraphrase, but he said that where he was brought up, you know, the the mind or the abilities of the mind is called intellect, right? But then when he went there, he saw another way to use maybe not necessarily the mind particular, but he called it intuition. He said he learned that, right? And that sort of led him to realize that the best pointer is the finger, right? Right? It sounds so simple, it sounds very intuitive, but in in essence it's genius, right? Also. Um, because he was prepared to question the status quo, right? There was there was the keyboard, there was the stylus, uh, and it's like, why are we using why don't we use something that is natural to all of us, right? So I think there's a there's a wisdom in different ways, and I think what we what we are touching upon is also not just the mind, right? Clearly there's other things, right? That there's there's the gut, right? We call it gut feeling. Intuition can sometimes also call gut feeling. So it's coming from somewhere else, right? Doesn't necessarily mean that um it is right or wrong, um, but that's not the only tool we have to sense, right? Not just the mind, there's other tools. And maybe the analogy I want to give, which I like, is like it's like a radio, right? Let's say we are a radio and we are getting information about ourselves from the mind channel, you know, the emotional channel and the soul channel, right? Obviously, if a radio is receiving three frequencies, it's gonna be really jumbled up clearly. So I think what we what we we use these tools to basically try to listen to these different channels separately, and then then we say how do we integrate this into a coherent signal, right? That we want to put out in our life. I think that's one of the things that I got. And also, like you talk about rest. I I think that's really critical. Like, that's a critical part, right? Yes, we are all hustling, we all want to create things, we want to build things, and those are not bad things for sure. Um, at the same time, we also innately understand, or at least the body actually knows, um, when you need rest, right? The mind knows when it needs rest. When you're a little kid, you know that. You see a kid, they run around, they play, and then the next moment, they're like, it's time to sleep. It's a non-negotiable, right? Of course, as we become adults, we also understand that we can override this signal and we can suppress that signal. And it's like, no, I need to work another 10 hours. Oh no, um, I need to I need to grind for the next two months. I'm not saying that we should chill and lay back, um, but just like a professional athlete, they actually, part of most of their job is actually to rest and recover. So that they can have peak performance when it is necessary. So if we apply that into our own lives, I suspect, and a lot of the problems that we people or we want to solve, they're not problems that are determined by time. They're determined by energy and focus. Right? So if we if we can apply that to our lives, I suspect uh we'll be doing so much more, and it would seem, at least on the surface level, it would seem more effortless. Yeah. So yeah, that's what I got. Thanks for all.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

What you share, Colin, reminds me of a story that in 1974, um there's a Japanese soldier, it was was found in the middle of the jungle, that he has continued in this jungle fighting a war that was ended 30 years ago.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

And this soldier, you know, finally, you know, the family tell you know came and told him that like the war has been got finished, and then he's like, No, like he was like thinking that it was a propaganda, you know, the family didn't understand, and people try to save him, and then he tried to hide, and then he's thinking that people are going to catch him. And and so psychologists eventually tried to um uh kind of like study on him. So, what happened? Why is this person uh living in the jungle by himself for 30 years just because no one told him the war has ended, and so he keeps going. Because of the loyalty of that belief, they continue to keep going. And what I why I want to share this story is actually very similar to why most of us are doing the hustling. There is a war that we thought that the hustle that that we were taught to keep going and keep doing and keep on doing something, and we actually haven't had time or like actually spend the time to stop and really think about what am I hustling for? What is the meaning of this? Who told me to hustle? Right? And and what war are we fighting for? So until we have that pause, that rest, that tool for us to contemplate, we will just keep going. And like this soldier, when we start, when we speak to someone that is like in the middle of hustle, actually it's hard to get them out of it.

unknown 34:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:12

Right? Because it's just like it for them, it's like this is my job, this is what I need to do. So it is very interesting until actually like someone comes across like a podcast like us, or like some other podcast that actually make them think. And I'm really hoping, and actually I have high hope that with this AI transformation that like actually like things start moving so fast that like transforming a lot of the jobs and and and tasks, people kind of like force into it's like I have to stop and ask, what is this about? Why am I doing all this? What's the meaning of it?

SPEAKER_01 34:53

Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. I feel that for sure. Um yeah, I mean, I I have the same I have the same optimistic thinking as well, right? Um, things like you said, things are becoming faster, right? Once upon a time, it took years to create a billion-dollar business. Now, some of those billion-dollar businesses take months, and soon there will be billion-dollar businesses, or it's already happened, that are run by one person. So the whole idea of this so-called abundance is coming, right? Um, whether you like it or not, like you said, some people will be forced to move, forced to change. Um, but I think one of the things that I I really want to touch upon was what you said about uh that you know the story about that soldier, right? And one of the things that really affected me a lot was looking at the interview with Joe Rogan and uh Jensen Huang. And basically it's about the essence of what we were saying just now, right? Which is about patterns, right? Patterns or this story we keep telling ourselves. So Jensen shares a story where he says, uh up to this day, I still think that I wake up every day with anxiety because he says he feels that he's still 30 days away from bankruptcy. And I'm like, wow, that's crazy, right? Like, that's crazy. Like, I'm sure that pattern served him, obviously, no doubt. Um, and for me, what I saw was even beyond him himself, right? Which is the pattern that he has also created in his environment, meaning his children, meaning his family, meaning his the people he interacts with. Like, if we are able to solve these patterns, choose what patterns we that don't serve us anymore, and create new patterns that serve us, because it comes from deep within, right? We are we are not only gonna help ourselves, we're gonna help the people around us, right? The people that we love the most. So for me it's it's really uh it's really a strong tool, right? To to to be aware. I think the whole the tools are there to begin this awareness. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

I think awareness is uh very key keywords here, right?

SPEAKER_01 37:19

Indeed.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

Yeah. I think we dive deeper into that uh topic that you brought up on pattern breaking up. I've been really looking more into like how how habits form, and this really dives more into the emotional level because a lot of the times we're reacting to something because of emotions rather than our logic, even though sometimes we think that our logic actually overrides. So there's something very interesting which you can start observing in your life is that if there is some kind of habit which you start falling into a lot, rather than only looking at like the times when you fall into the habit, you should actually dive one level deeper and try and find that emotion or that desire that you have. Because most of the time there's definitely some kind of like similar emotion, similar desire. And what you can do with that is you can interrupt it, right? Interrupt it by rather than either falling into the emotions, you replace it with something else, or you figure out what that emotion means in a higher state. How can you express this as like a lot as a form of creativity or as a form of higher service, right? Like serving the other, for example. Like one thing that I found out that I really like a lot is really this state of like loving someone or being like really innocent and really having this playful essence, right? And I can take this in one hand where I'm going to continue doing things that are just only serving myself, such as like playing video games and things like that, or I can take it on the other hand where I can create something beautiful with that. And what I've found is um I'm able to project this creativity onto playing instruments, specifically the piano, and like playing these songs and then performing it to others, so then you can spread the love to more people, right? And really open up. So again, it goes back down to finding that essence, which I think is really powerful with all of these modalities and all of these different sharings and stories that we're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 39:28

Yeah, absolutely. And I know like when you talk about you know using a tool, like and you know what you're passionate about to share with others, and naturally it's actually sharing that love. I found that note, like it reminded me that one of my aha moments is that if you think about why ethics and singer and artist, they are actually like the they they make most of the money, right? They their reward is high. But like the most authentic one, like Kobe Bryant, like and like you know, some really good singer in the world, they really just they they're not even thinking about how do I spread love in in like as a mission. But what they try to do is like how do I optimize, how do I be the best of self. And people around these people care for them being their best. And them being their best is actually like, and the reward of them being the best become making become like you know um wealthy and and and this external validation um to support that. So it always like kind of like if you really think about it, it's not that they are lucky or they they they have yes, they have the talent, but it's all of us have the talent, like not all of us can be Kobe Bryant, but all of us have our own talents that if we can express that best talent of what we have, that innate talent, right? And and I think like that will actually is the most efficient way to attract and be abundant in life. And yeah, so that's kind of like one of my aha that I see that and and all this self-help, well not help, like self-knowledge too, and awareness and accept acceptance of who we are, like is kind of like uh is to help us to get there. And even like all these like ethics and and singer, they are not we only see their success, but behind the scene, there's also through the struggles, through the dark side, like through a lot of um uh ping to get there. So I think that is um become very clear to me that how like they might not need this tool because they know like somehow, so some people, and some people that those two are helpful to get there.

SPEAKER_00 42:10

Just adding on to this on the on the on the point of like artists in general, like it really starts thinking about like what what really is love, because many of us like our understanding of love is like before we get into all of these like deeper work is really shallow, but then love is actually embracing both the suffering and also both the joys, and really embracing this entire emotional wave, right? And you can see with all of the favorite artists, right? A lot of us listen to Spotify, Apple Music, things like that. All of the favorite artists they leaned into their vulnerabilities, and they really found the root of it and really just embraced it fully in the song, and then they project it out into the world because they understand that this is part of the human suffering, or this is what connects us all as humans, and there's no point of fearing of like being separate from another person because like you're embarrassed of this, right? And rather their abundance comes from just sharing their vulnerabilities, and that actually brings like the opposite effect of what the ego actually does not really understand and thinks that it's in it's not gonna happen, is that literally just by projecting your vulnerabilities with others, others will connect with you rather than say rather than shaming you, right? Rather than blaming you, and if they do do that, it means that they themselves probably have some kind of deeper trauma or inner work that they have to do. But most people, if we're connecting on a human level, they're really open to sharing their vulnerabilities and also the joys, and this is really what it means to be human. Totally, totally.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

I think that is like another trauma that we need to go through, I guess another um position that we thought that um this I how we protect our image, how we create our image, that this like and and and I think that is like the same as the hustling situation. Like we it's a thick war that we have been fighting that has long ended but no one tell us that hey actually now is like really the authentic self right to really feel to really bring that feeling back to serve. And serving is no longer a serving like I serve out of to get external validation but it's serving from I think Colin you mentioned it like like from a full cut right from from the uh love that that that unconditional love at the end.

SPEAKER_01 44:55

Yeah wow I also want to say something so many things now um yeah you so you talk about connection right you talk about vulnerability and I was I somebody told me this uh quite recently and I really resonated a little bit so if you want to gain trust from someone um the easiest way maybe is to ask for help because you're basically showing vulnerability right I need your help right imagine somebody I mean anyone of us can imagine like somebody who is close to you but they're always thinking that you have to be self-reliant they always they they feel bad to ask for help like naturally you can't deeply connect with that person no matter what like even if it's a family member right and so like we we forget like you said the ego maybe is the one that's mainly in the way but we forget that asking for help even however successful you are however accomplished you are this is one of the best ways to connect with the people around you and maybe there is a reason why people at the top so to speak are lonely right because for them it's like like think about it like that example I gave about Jensen Huang like if you went to a friends or family dinner and he said I have a problem right I have anxiety because I feel like I might fail right or I'm gonna be bankrupt like obviously those people won't respond badly but they might say something as a joke like oh my god give me your problems like you've got nothing to complain about and maybe that's maybe that didn't come from a bad space but his reaction could be oh man yeah I feel bad now I don't think I'm gonna share my problems with that because I'm just gonna add to their burden and that's why we we become alone but actually it's to go beyond that and recognize that they they were also actually showing some level of vulnerability right because they're saying oh no I'm not good enough you're better than me I can't help your problem but then you just going back and saying no it doesn't matter if I have more money it doesn't matter if I have more of this 3D world stuff like we're all human we're all souls we all have lessons and things that we want to learn and when we show are able to show that vulnerability back then we can have potentially a real connection I think this is what I got and then you also talk about you talk about pattern pattern formation pattern breaking and all that other stuff I can give you a very again let's go back more to the mind I think it helps a lot for us I can tell you a direct experiment that I've done on myself right so me and my doctors we we we run some peptide experiment recently so one of my doctors is a big size guy you know he's like 120 kgs 1.9 meters and he started using some of these uh weight loss peptides and I can tell you like within like two months I saw him I was like what happened to you like he lost like 30 kgs right but the irony is this so and I've tried it for myself just because I want to know what my patient is going to go through right like what my client is going to go through and I I I took the the dose this week and it basically suppresses your appetite so much like whatever I used to eat I eat like 10% 20% secondly it also activates your metabolism so you actually burn more and then it also activates one of these particular ones it activates glucagon receptor means it helps you burn fat as well and actually what I felt which is first thing was the environment around you the input stimuli around you is something that can be the beginning point to help you shift it doesn't only have to come from inside right our environments are so important the people we hang out with the people who we talk to the people who basically influence how we talk how we speak how we think this is really really important and for me my my realization was that I told my doctor I said I don't need this peptide I know what I can do now but I don't need it because basically when I do my fasting or when I do um some sort of diet restrict dietary restriction I'm going through that exact same experience just without the uh lack of hunger so the body is just gonna give me a signal of hunger I'll be like okay I I don't need to eat now I I I I I don't I'm not gonna die you know I don't need to eat and then your body starts to do the other things which is burn the fat which is conserve energy which is all those things and then after that it unlocks energy again and then after that it will then send you the same signal again of hunger of like hey you know maybe it's time to eat and then maybe you just go back and say hey no I I'm not I'm not gonna eat yet I don't need it yet right because we can't make that artificial we can't make a real life example of that anymore before we would just not have food. And so the body actually uses that input stimuli that is regular to actually do certain processes in the body where whether it's autophagy or whether it's yeah some sort of cell maintenance now we are filled with at least food abundance we are eating what five meals a day six meals a day you can eat anytime you want you know food is just a click away and now we actually have to make use conscious effort like you said when you when you want to break a pattern you have to use conscious effort to to be aware of it and to change that pattern. And so I think in our world certain things have become easier obviously because we have the tools we have the support we have the information but in the same ways because of the change of environment some other things have become really difficult like self-control in terms of food self-control in terms of substances self-control in terms of dopamine inducing activities this is where the difficulty it lies um and actually in essence when you learn something from one field you can actually apply those lessons to the other right for example like there are people who are so good at making things happen right whether they are entrepreneurs or businessmen but then when they you look at them you say how come they do not put any not not even close amount of their energy to their well-being and their health which sounds crazy to be honest when you see it that way but it's because like you said the stories that we tell ourselves the people that tell us these stories these also form our identity and it's not a true identity because you you put the example of Kobe Bryant such a great example because he was clearly a great athlete a champion and then when he when he retired he said I I I want to tell stories you know and obviously what did people first say oh no no you're athlete don't dabble in this thing you know you'll fail and all that and he won a what is it Grammy right or Oscar I can't remember for his short film. So the whole idea of you know we are also limited by our successes in that in that sense because those successes define us right so for example let's say you're a successful businessman you're a successful whatever same songwriter whatever those things is when the day you decide okay I want to do something else not because I I want to give up on this but because I want to explore that other side of me you are going to be met with a lot of resistance because people be like oh my god why are you giving up such a great opportunity to continue to grow these things and for myself that is what I face right in a very real way because when I sold the business many of my friends including some of the very top producers they were like why are you doing this? Why are you stopping why are you quitting and I'm like I'm not quitting I'm just following what you know where where where myself is bringing me to and that I still maintain those relationships with them because we don't connect through that thing only you know one of the very famous producers and and friends of mine like when I sat with him it was so funny where he was like I'm gonna drop by Singapore and can we meet up I was like yeah of course and so we met up and he just came back from like a two-week cleanse in India and he sat with me and we just spoke about wellness about mindfulness about you know how do we you know optimize ourselves to feel better and at the end of the conversation he said oh my god this is such a great you know this was such a great conversation you know that we can connect on something else and I feel like like this is something that to some people obviously can be a scary thing a fear or even a fearful thing because you know for so many years we have defined ourselves as that as as that thing you know that successful person in that field and when we say that we drop that that role for example or we drop that mask or that part of ourself you know the first fear is that who are we right and I I think that is that is in essence some part of that journey right how do we look at and be aware I think again the awareness of who what do we shape ourselves to be it could be the product of some parts of our environment the people that we hang out with the things that we like to do and all those things again when we go back into that present like you said all these are the past and we go back into the present and we sense this future as well I think that helps a lot of us because we we are we seem to be people that like to look at this so-called new new world new future whatever you want to call it but also not fall into that trap of living in that future because for that future to happen we must live in the present to bring that imagination to bring that inspiration from the future and the lessons from the past and say what new decisions can I make today and if you continue to do that I'm almost certain that that future will happen.

SPEAKER_03 55:32

Maybe not in the form that we expect but basically it will happen absolutely I want to add on to when you were sharing there's one word come to mind that actually sit across everything every transformation that we are experiencing and I think the word is knowledge. Why is it that like if you think about it where from wellness why do we fear like why do we eat the bad food why do we have these like bad habits that create a health problem a lot of the time it's because we are not knowledgeable into the details of like what how the makeup of our health our gut right and I think knowledge rather is in putting it into the wellness rather is like using tool to have the self-knowledge of ourself right like when we at the beginning we talk about human design and gene chi that is also knowledge about self knowledge and and knowledge and when what is a so-called successful person is also if they have the knowledge expertise in that field that make them like who they are like so I think that if I have to summarize one thing that when we fear or when we reject certain idea I think the first thing is that do I have to actually even have the knowledge to make an opinion right if I don't have the knowledge to reject certain things then the step is not like oh I I don't like it because most likely if we dive into why I didn't like it or why I don't like it's because of an assumption a belief that we may have made or someone imposed onto us since our whole life without proper knowledge. So I think that is one key way to start our breakthrough is that through when we notice an assumption when we reject something like ask ourselves do we have the knowledge to actually say clearly why I don't want certain things or why I want certain things.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

And it goes both ways right both belief and disbelief is like do we actually have the right knowledge to make that statement and once we have that knowledge then it becomes conscious to say yes I can do that or no I don't like and then apply across everything you mentioned yeah I think with also like more on your point on all these feelings in general and like what you cling at especially like the fears that you have it's like I think one really good way to know whether to lean in or to know something's a distraction is really again it goes back to listening to your own body and really understanding your emotions because for example if there are things which can cut off at least from my experience where there really isn't an emotional damage or emotional toll to it then most likely it just means that it's a distraction and there really isn't much you should look into. It's just something that brings you out of focus but then if you realize that you cut something but then there's some kind of desire that constantly comes back up to you then it means that there's something in there there's some kind of essence or there's something that your body is telling you so you should kind of dive deeper into what it is and figure out like what your body needs yeah yeah yeah what what are some examples like I think maybe can we like how for people that are not right ready or not somatically attuned how do we start uh I think okay I'm just gonna start it off I think one yeah one huge factor that I think is really the most easiest at least for me to test is I think uh nutrition and just food in general like what you intake I think that's that's definitely the one of the most conscious choices you can make for example for me I've been trying to integrate more of like a vegetarian diet and trying to limit my meat intake and also testing out different things such as like I have like a whole list of food that I just don't eat most of them are artificial I basically don't eat carbohydrates anymore and even if I do it's only going to be like small intakes and it's going to be carbs which are organic for example like rice potatoes things like that and what I've found is that even though my mind is trying to stick to this there are still times when I just eat a whole lot of veggies and eat all of these good food and still my body feels like I'm not filled and it's like a very it's like a body yearning for like more and more food even though I intake a lot of these good foods. So what I have to do is go back and test it with other foods. So for example I started eating again protein even though I know that these foods are more dense it might just mean that your body needs it during that moment because if you're consciously aware that your stomach is literally rumbling and there's some kind of desire there then you should listen to that instead of clinging back onto the mental model that something is dense even though that may spark some judgment. But again that's a problem right you're judging it and the whole point of this work is going back to the natural self going back to the higher self and part of that is also listening to what your physical body needs yeah that is so true again like I myself gone through this um cleansing and then judgment phase and then back to like what actually our body really needs.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:09

For you Bosco like you you you probably need a lot more protein also because of your growing age right but but like for me it was um my journey of food and it's actually also really tied into the somatic it does like but it's so natural somehow and for me it's like through um when I start meditating um six years ago uh consistently like at some point and it was like so natural first thing that it dropped off in my diet is alcohol it's not that I like oh because alcohol like according to what whatsoever that is bad for me but it's just like my body naturally starts to reject it right um and it gives me like massive massive headache that I can't get away like for like 24 hours or more so to a point that it's like I have to make a judgment like make a trade off do I want my headache or do I stop drinking? But that is a a natural uh body reaction right then the next body reaction is the same very similar to you Bosco is like I start to I trade off like so start um eating a lot less meat and then and and I actually test the body then what if I go to strict vegan right so no um uh animals products and not because of any religion or health reason but it's like actually it's like a I just want to test myself like it's like a scientist of my my own body what would that look like can I actually survive without um animal's products and it seems reasonable uh and I I I think the muscle mass has reduced like because like I think the the the problem eventually is still like uh no matter how much plant-based protein I took it feels like it's something is still missing that the meat product actually give us uh give gave me so then I kind of switch back to a more balanced diet eating like me some meat and a lot of veggies and etc but it's go through that process and through that process I what I learn is to learn to how see how my body feels right and and and every day and and kind of take no job what is what is my energy level right and um how's um how's my skin and everything. And I think that is actually a very um measurable way to start to learn to listen to the body so so I think that's good. So I think I've gone through the you know diet journey as well back and forth and find a balance. Oh and one thing that I actually noticed that is um then a lot of us start to label ourselves like oh I'm a vegan I'm a vegetarian I'm pescatarian I don't know how many that we have now but that labeling is very for me is so unhelpful because then while we kind of align to a like kind of stick to an identity again there's an external label right but like if for us that uniquely for me right I might be very specific in how that the what type of food that is good for me there's that's no label like to talk about that. So I think that eventually all this labeling all this category as we All of us become more aware of self, those labels start to fall apart. That we should not actually subscribe to any label. The only label that I should have for me is me. It's my diet. Right? And whoever that might resonate, right? But they will actually just folks have a similar guide guideline, but they will find their own them.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:27

Yeah. Yeah. You want to chime in? Bosco, go for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:34

No, I'll be quick. Yeah, go for it. I just want to talk, yeah, more about like the labeling thing. It's like if we dive deeper into like why we label things, is because we want our minds want certainty.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:46

Right. And our minds also wants things to be static. Because when things are static, then you're certain that it's going to happen. But then that contrasts the whole principle of life. And one of the huge things is that you'll realize that nothing is static. Everything is changing from the quantum level to what you can see visibly, everything changes. Like that's literally a life principle. So what instead we need to do is be able to adapt to those changes and begin embracing those changes. And sometimes that means that you have to dive into the uncertainty and really accept that your body will eventually change. So like life is all about learning, right? Like you never stop learning. And once you stop learning, then it means that you're going to start encountering potentially lots of problems because you're breaking the laws of what life is, at least to be a human in this form. Yeah, Colin, um, sorry to interrupt you, but you No, no, you good thank that.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:46

That was a great sharing as well. Um, no, I was just saying it's so funny that uh all of us have gone through this experimentation with the diet, I did the same. Went through the vegan thing, went through the carnival thing, and then but you're right, you know, as you go through that journey, you actually become more attuned to your body. Because when you like you said, when you put a label on yourself and you do that for a while, after a while you feel like your body is might still be lacking something. And so if you listen to yourself, you will start to adjust. And uh yeah, it was not easy for me for sure, because what again we talk about pattern, right? What the label I put on myself that helped me heal, for example, in the initial phase, might not serve me now. So I I have to relinquish it, but it's hard because it's like, but it served me, it gave me, you know, it healed me, it helped me get to this place, and but how do we recognize that um that this pattern doesn't serve you anymore? I think this is really quite challenging, and obviously the more you do it, the better it gets, right? The more awareness, the more observational skills you have, the more sensitivity you have, it's gonna make it easier.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I think that I think it it sounds like all of us, what the a common theme is that this self-ex discovery style of self-mastery journey, at the end of today, the community that we need to be in is like it has to be like so open that everything's good, ever like the belonging is no belonging at all, but that because of that, that is the belonging, if that makes sense, right? Because otherwise, like we will fall keep falling into a category of a uh of something, and when we soak deep into it, then you feel bad to get out of it, right? As well. So, how do we be like open and energy enough to be in a space that is everything's like eventually we become like so unique that and so comfortable that I'm belonging to myself and and and who am I becoming is uniquely me. And I honor myself and everyone else, uh, and and their differences, then that's the I think that would be the ultimate belong.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:21

The dog wants to join our conversation, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:25

He has a he has an opinion.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:28

Yeah, it's like listen to me guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:32

Oh yeah. No, no, I also like the one you shared about like you know the labels, how we like to basically quantify it, structure it so that it's predictable, so that it's um certain, right? Um yeah, I I feel like that's definitely a habit that we all have, uh, given our society as well. Um we want things that are measurable. Think about school, right? We want to you can't you can sort of not really measure creativity, it's pretty tough. Um, but you can measure, like you know, on a test, you can measure how in how how how good somebody has of memorization skills, for example, and all those type of things. And and I guess that's a form of intelligence for sure. But again, given the world we are today, you know, the first question I asked myself when I was in uni was when I was learning chemical engineering, I was like, it's about applying the knowledge, right, isn't it? But why in the test I have to memorize 50 equations? If I go down to become a chemical engineer in industry, I'll have a computer and books to refer to for the equations. I I the hard part is how to solve it. So for me, it's like why wouldn't you not make just make the test harder, for example, and then see who can apply? Of course, again, maybe there are other issues that will come up, but the the real point is that a lot of things that we learn in in this life soon will not be applicable. You don't have to memorize stuff, the information is there. Well, the the the real focus now is on application, right? If you can use this, it doesn't even matter if you have no experience in something. If in one day or in a period of time you can download this information into you and integrate it into some sort of wisdom knowledge, and then you can apply it, you will be the expert. Just like somebody can start a company in rockets when he wasn't a rocket, you know, a rocket scientist. I mean, that are those are the limitations we put on ourselves. As this reality shows us that these limitations are no longer holding us back, then we go back to the same question again. Who is the limiting step? Who is the limiter? It's you. That's it. Your choice.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:08

It feels like that, you know, like if I from everything that we talked about, just to really get to the core, is that we uh in at we're in an era where there is no more buffer of people telling us our identity or um what's the meaning of our life. It really must get to that we must act on find like really like discovering our unique ability, right, through our body, our emotions, like and and those are all information. Like emotion is information, feeling is information, like our somatic reaction is information that we never like really use, but now we really actually have to pay attention and use it to discover ourselves because that is really the way forward, like when um AI take over most of the task and skill that um that that we might be performing in exchange of of money, that but now it's like okay, there's only one thing, it's our own uniqueness and our own creativity that can save us.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:32

Actually, I want to bring up this topic because I I just uh I just had a I saw a little documentary about Rupert Murdoch. And actually, it's again about pattern recognition, right? We talk about pattern recognition. So Rupert Murdoch, I mean I think most people know, very successful business guy, right, in media. And he has a very big pattern of betrayal in his life, right? So from young, he was he was born into wealth. Uh you know, he had like 10 servants living in a house with 30 rooms in 1930, right? And um his father was already a guy in media and gave all of his inheritance to him basically uh to take over. Uh but however the the father's business associates decides to sell and dissolve most of the empire at that point. And so he spent a good however many years, 30-40 years of his initial life, to make up for that, to prove them wrong, right? So he got betrayed and he's like, and that gave him uh actually taught him about resilience, taught him about that you can rely on yourself, you can build something from scratch. But then when he got there, he didn't let go of that, he still was holding on to that betrayal pattern.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:48

Like the soldier.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:49

Yeah, and that betrayal pattern basically it infused in the rest of his life, in his families. For example, his whole all his kids now are basically fighting against each other for who is gonna rule. I mean, you we saw you know the show Succession. It's basically exactly a mirror of his family and his life. And the sad part is that this betrayal pattern is being passed down, right? It doesn't matter how much wealth, how much power, and all these things that they have. Actually, what he really wanted was connection and love. But uh, because of this betrayal pattern, so I think the first big challenge for him was like when he divorced his second wife, which is the mother of three of his kids, um, he he then he then dated this Chinese lady, right? And at that time, the whole family was against it, right? Obviously, the the ex-wife, obviously the kids, and he in his mind, I I can only imagine what he could have felt, which is you know, I created this wealth and power, I wish that people would love me for who I am, not just the wealth and the power. And the persons that he hoped that the most are his closest people, his children, right? And the fact that his children couldn't accept his choices because he wanted to be happy for himself, so he chose somebody else, for example, and they rejected him. And so, in essence, um there is a there is a real reason why maybe he can't connect deeply with his children, anyways, because this pill pattern is standing against it. It's not that he doesn't love them, it's just they can't see it and can't feel it. And so it does it obviously in this case it's it's uh it's very obvious, right? Because it's like if you already have all these things, why wouldn't you focus on on these things that would potentially give you fulfillment and give you joy and give you happiness? But because they focus on the things that are predictable, he knows that he can grow his empire, he knows he has control over his businesses and they are measurable. If he did this and he failed, he won't even know whether he passed. That's the first point. Because it's just about feelings, and and and and with feelings it's it's not known, you know. You have to actually be vulnerable, like we said. We need to actually ask those questions, like even if they are our family members, like it's not easy, you know, or even friends, like we know these situations that I have to come into awareness of it, right, and also be honest with it, right? Like sometimes I I'm very triggered by a friend, but I know I care about this friend a lot, I don't want to admit it at that moment for sure, because I'm like, damn, I just want to put down the phone, I want to leave, right? But then I ask myself, I could do that, and maybe I'll feel better, but if but that's not me, right? For me, it's like I need to tell my truth, and if I care about this person, even if they trigger me, I'm gonna, instead of trying to be the one that's right or the one that wins the argument, I I take another step back and I say, no, I'm just gonna tell this person what I feel, which is I care about you, I'm very triggered by you, but all I wanted to tell this person was that instead of saying I'm right, instead of saying maybe there's other perspectives, I just told them that, you know, if you need me, I'm here. That's it. When they're ready, and I think this is the key point, and this is the difficult one that I've been integrating, is that we do all this self-help, the self-growth, and all this stuff stuff, and we do change our life. And of course, be us being us, we want to help all the people around us to be on that their best level as well. But the irony is that everyone has their own path and everyone has their own pace. And it's not always for us to try to accelerate them, to push them. And the irony is when you push them, you actually push them away, you push them back. And if you are if you are patient and you can sit with that pain, sit with that emotion, that is what they actually need, and that will be the fastest way.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:13

I really love what you brought up because that sparked a whole conversation, another topic on relationships in general. Because I've contemplated a lot about my relationship with especially my parents, because I mean I've been with them for 17 years, nearly 18 soon in a month. And like one big thing is like we have a lot of conflict all the time in the past, and in the past, I would all the time lash out on them, I would be angry at them, or I would just repress, right? There's there's two sides of it either you're going to be reactive to something, or you're going to suppress it inside of you, depending on your characteristics in general. And one thing that I really like that you've mentioned is how it's all about letting that person know your genuine feeling, but then if we break it down into more micro pieces, what do we do during the moment when they trigger you or when you have that heavy emotion? And really the solution to that is to validate them, even though it may seem defensive in the moment for yourself, like your ego can't take the validation. But then once you understand that the reason why they're mad at you is because they're in their emotional waves, or they also have some kind of fear or some kind of trauma that they've gone through in the past, and it's just not themselves, then you also start to see that you also have your that patterns inside yourself, right? You also sometimes lash out at people, you have bad days, you have days when you're just not feeling like it, and it's more likely for you to react to things. So, what acceptance and what compassion really means is to validate that person during that moment, and then afterwards, when all of the emotions calm down, then you could bring up your genuine feelings, and I've found that to be super helpful, especially now or these past few months, whenever I'm having any conflicts, or actually I realize my conflicts decrease a lot from this, right? You start to accept that yes, I'm here as a person, I am listening to you. I acknowledge that you have this emotion, and maybe during that moment I did not do something in the best way that I've done it. But from that, then later on, like this person will also start to eventually transform the entire relationship. They'll start to realize that if they were being too mean to you, then they themselves will also show some compassion in the relationship and show that they may have mistaken during that moment and start to acknowledge and build that awareness. And I think this is really useful, especially for relationships where you may be the only one looking into this, right? But then you don't want to force someone else to look at it because maybe they're not ready or they're busy with something else. This is a really effective way to help not only yourself, but also help the other person in like a two-way beneficial relationship.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:17

That's amazing. That's like a very wise um way, like how to deal with parents actually. So, Bosco, I'm actually curious. What like what is an example? Like, if uh someone asks you if they have this situation, if your peers come to you, I have this situation. What exactly you said to your parents? Like, what would be an example that that actually creates this new fraud?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:03

I guess an example would be like if my parents would get mad at me because I did I'm not doing the dishes or I'm not helping out or I'm not cooperating, then rather than telling them that I'm too busy or telling them why I'm not helping and like lashing out your emotions, what I instead would do is I would cooperate with them. Right initially, like if you don't like before we understood this, this might seem like a defensive move, you're like succumbing to their commands, but then by doing that, you're validating them, like you're validating their feelings, and then afterwards, then once all of the tension comes down, then if you feel like you're like if I feel like I'm in an unjust position when that criticism was made, then I would probably start sparking a conversation with my parents and tell them, hey mom, hey dad, I felt like what you said to me was a bit unfair, and then that would help kind of spark at least some kind of understanding, or letting that person like know your feelings. But especially like when you're young, most of the time, like your parents are more wise or so, like it's again like it comes back down to like understanding whether or not someone else is making the mistake, or whether or not you are the one making the mistake, and most of the time it really it's it depends on situation to situation.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:35

No, this is very very great example, and I think to your point though, right, um like that is another belief that we all think that the people the older the people are, the wiser they are. And I and and I think that equation has proven to be wrong over and over and over and over again, and and some you know like have been shown in the public stage. Um so I think that age and wisdom does not it's not equal, and I think that it's like but but like really full but I really like how you use it as a strategy, right? Um, to kind of step one step two approach, and that works well, I think, you know, in all of life.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:23

So great example. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I I I definitely feel that because when I look at my kid, I'm like, seriously, sometimes I gotta take a double take because it's like they know so much more than us. They teach me, she teaches me more than I I I would expect, you know. They innately know these things. And obviously the sense at some level is that um I'm just trying to get not get in the way, you know what I mean? Like if I if I do certain things or I put her in certain environments that forces her or him to do certain things, in an essence, an intelligent being will adapt. Right? So we adapted in our situation. We adapted, okay. The mind is rewarded, for example. Uh following the rules is rewarded, for example. And those are parts of us, don't get me wrong, but that's not all of us. And I think you know what we are in the process of, we already had when we were young. Yeah, unfortunately or fortunately, that was the lesson that we need to learn. So the the environment we are in forced us into this situation where we have an opportunity now to learn about ourselves. And so these children in the future their learning will be different. Will be, I mean, honestly, it will be of higher consciousness because all the things are already abundant in the tree world. Right? If they already it's not about money or wealth, it's like abundant in the sense that I feel like if I need something. Thing I can create it, and so then it will be the next challenge will be what do I want to create? Not what can I only create? And and that is uh such a difficult thing to wrap your head around. I mean, even for me, it's I don't understand all of it for sure, right? But when you're born in an environment that is literally abundant, there is no other reality. So for them it's it's so true, they don't even question it, right? And for us, I guess, in essence, and that is also a very important role that we play, is the bridge. We are playing the bridge, right? Because we know the world of the past, right? Which was more certain, which was more predictable. You do you work for a company for extra number of years, and then it will be taken care of, or whatever. And then we are like in the in-between phase, right? We've seen the internet, we've seen AI. Soon maybe we'll see autonomous robots. Um, and so we we stand in the confluence of many revolutions. Most generations that have passed would have only seen one in their lifetime. We have already seen maybe three. Um and so, in essence, we play the ultimate bridge, if you want to say. Because everything that comes after this change, they only know that. They only know abundance, they only know immediacy, they only know instantaneous change. And there is a wisdom, not of the past, and of course, what we have gone through, the essence of that wisdom, not to copy. Like, you know, for example, what I thought about when you said all those things was about community. Because when we go through these things, we might be the only one in our friendship circle or whatever, but soon we will not be. Soon it will be normal. But just like anything new, some people need to be first, and those are the hardest ones, right? You know, and it's okay to pat yourself on the back and say, fine, I'm gonna be the first one, right? Um, but that we're not alone. I mean, I think the most important thing that I figured out in the last year is that we're not alone. Like I always thought, you know, coming from a place like Singapore, most people are just very pragmatic and all these things. They won't want to think about all these other less tangible, less certain things. But the irony is that I'm wrong, you know, there are so many of us out there. And if and and and I I sense, you know, just from this podcast, you know, what is emerging is some sort of um you know global community, right? Uh in the deepest sense, not because we align only because we we like certain things, but the essence of it, right? That we are all going through this self-discovery journey to learn more about ourselves. And the best part is when we do it in a community, we learn so much faster. Because just in this podcast, I'm sure for me, you know, I've learned so much from both of you, like and the things you said actually bring things up from me. So, yeah, I I have this strong sense that community is something that is calling to many of us, yeah, in this space at least. Yeah, totally agree.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:23

What do you think like in the community? How like what type of support uh people need most or like you need most that is actually useful and it's not just for the sake of community that people come in and like like how can we incorporate it into some like a daily things that like actually is useful for people?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:45

Yeah, yeah. So maybe we can use a current format, right? Like again, there's always wisdoms in the past, right? So you look at a structure like again, maybe this is sounds contentious, but you look at a structure like religion, you look at a structure like maybe it could be secular as well, it could be a community center or something like a neighborhood district center or something. The the key point is that you have this gathering point of people, right? You know, we as people in this world we we have needs, right? So why do people go to uh a church, right? Other than the fact that they they receive certain things, but they also have community. They receive community by being part of it. So I think the whole idea is that all of us seek connection at some level, right? In our modern day, we have been pushed into a situation that might be closer to solitary, you know. We're more solitary, we're like, we gotta handle our own stuff. Like even in Singapore, people don't, I'm sure in Hong Kong it's probably similar. Like people don't live with their extended family anymore, right? In our cultures, I think before it was quite common that you would live in the similar vicinity, whether it's the uncles, the aunties. We don't have that anymore. And increasingly, even the young people, I mean, uh, have a desire to live on their own, to have their own independence. And there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, there is a value to that as well. But the whole idea is that you can have independence and also community. You don't have to only choose one or the other. And I think this is as we found our self-expression, as we found our individualism in in the Asian context at least, now it's coming full circle, right? We are coming back into we also want community. Because our unique experiences and perspectives are different from another culture, right? So as much as you know, we speak English, as much as we consume Western media, um, we also have our own unique experience and interpretation of that within our context. And so the community in it in essence is not one that's what I feel is emerging, it's not one that's bounded only by certain said shared beliefs or even shared cultures. It's gonna be beyond those borders. Of course, it can start somewhere more sub more fundamental, right? But at the end of the day, it it's it's truly what we have been saying, right? Which is all these things that we learn, whoever created any of these tools, um how come it can apply to all humans? Because there is a deep fundamental similarity that we all share, right? Consciousness, maybe that's what it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:44

You are me, I am you.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:46

Yeah, so I guess what I'm saying is that there are there are lessons to take from the past, um, at least the structures and how they operate, right? The Roman Empire, it's called the Roman Catholic Church. Because and and they were pagans, right? So they they saw the structure of the Catholic Church and they said that is a great way to organize a society. And so, in the same way, can't we learn the same? We can use a current structure, adapt it to the other outcomes that we want, and implement it. You don't have to remake the will the will, so to speak. So I I sense there's something that we can learn from that past. And you know, in Singapore especially, I'm I'm trying to get this moving, right? So, for example, the the government here is very supportive of like community um like events and activities. So, for example, like in every district, like there's like a community center. Um, you can literally as an individual go out there and say, I want to host community gathering events for this uh district, and they'll just give you funding. Like not that difficult. So the whole idea is like we can use current structures to distribute this new form, so to speak. So I think that's what I'm experimenting with.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:16

Um but yeah, I think yeah, in terms of community, I think one very important aspect that I will see coming towards like the future is more about how people interact in the community because a lot of the times when we think about these different like religious institutions, there's always like someone like like, for example, in um Christianity, there's like if when you go to a church, there's always like a priest up there who's always reciting and being the one who's like the leader, and then everyone else behind you is kind of just following along. But the problem with that is a lot of the times that just sparks like echo chambers, and you're not really seriously thinking about how it applies to your own life, right? We're just unconsciously reciting stuff. So, what I envision as like a community is more of like people guiding others by asking questions, right? Because like questions is such a super powerful thing to help you reflect upon things, for example, just asking generic questions on what does the meaning of love mean to you, because everyone's meaning of love is different, and then finding the people who resonate with you to do that with, and then also for the person who is asking the question, then after you hear about um like their experiences, then you can probably validate it based on their truth self, right? Based on what is actually their higher self. So I think this is like one thing that I've noticed with like a lot of the readings that I have with people who've been doing it for like 30 or 40 years, no matter in astrology, human design, gene keys, is when I like their structure of how they actually read once they start to realize that everything is all about the self-knowledge, is that they won't actually tell you what exactly you need to do. It's more like they guide you through a question process, yeah, and then you are like a sounding board, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:21

Right?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:22

Like you kind of tell them, and then they will feedback back to you, so then you can gain clarity. And I think that is something that we need to start to look more into, is to number one, how can we look more into ourselves, and also number two, how can we guide others without placing our limitations or guide them in a way where it allows them to open up themselves and find their own personal truth rather than implanting our own belief systems.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:51

Totally, totally. I think the best analogy I have is the analogy of a coach, and all a parent is the same because you you can guide them, you can give them advice, you can give them perspectives, but you can't play the game for them. So we don't interfere and play other people's games, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:11

Yeah, but I think on top of that, that even though the guiding and and the knowledge is also um so even a lot of the current coach, like and the and it's also I would say that it's still up to our own interpretation. And I catch myself the same way sometimes I would do the same, but really have to like it how to balance to the point of what Bosco is saying, like in the ideal world, it's actually there's not even a framework. Like the free the only framework would be questioning, right? It's like it's all about like whatever you your framework, how how you come up with your truth would be you to to be, right? Like and how and can we actually create a community and a society that actually be that open that there is love, but there is seven billion definition of love. There's eight billion definition of love, there is eight billion definition of what the truth is, what the universe is and everything. Right. I think that when children are very young, all right, I think there might be some framework that like basic, you know, teach you ABCD. Basically, we have to teach you how teach them how to communicate in the earth on earth, like because that's but once the communication skill is formed, then I think everything else would be kind of a program.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think I I I feel like that's a good analogy here. Like, you know, think about an orchestra, right? Right, all of us are unique, unique music, unique instruments. And however, how does the orchestra work together? Even though there might be so-called less structure, especially like think about a band or think about it. Oh like a jazz. Like when they're ripping, or like improv comedy. Like, how do you find uh some sort of like you said, there is not much framework, there is it's uncertain, there's no framework, but somehow there's harmony. Yes, exactly. So that's what we're searching for, and part of that discussion, at least today, is that same like if you want to harmonize, you must know your own sound. Someone else, like if you don't know your sound, there's no way you can harmonize with some other sound. Yeah, because you don't even know what you produce. So I think in essence, I would say part of that self-discovery journey is the basis. There's some basis there to create this community, and the community in itself, if everyone has this deep understanding that we are all, like you said, we are all the same, right? Conscious souls, whatever you want to call it. And at that level, on that plane, we are in some sense not only the same, from the same, are the same, and in in in the truth, true essence the same, right? So there is no hierarchy there, right? That's what you're that's what you're noticing. There is no hierarchy there. There's not somebody who is the leader perpetually. Uh, we take turns, so to speak, in a literal sense as well, right? And so in this community, it's about you know each sovereign soul saying that I have a unique gift, and how can we share these gifts? And these gifts, it the sharing of this process will activate others' gifts as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:51

Yes, and building onto that actually orchestra analogy, I think something interesting. If you dive into even like a deeper level, is that like you can see, for example, in like the string section, right? Like there's violinists, there's there's people playing the cello, and what you notice with the violinists is that even though on the surface it might seem that their instruments are the same, but if you dive deeper into the quality of like the the strings, or if you dive into like the wood of the the bass of the violin, you realize that it's actually not the same because all of these strings and all these woods come from different trees, right? So and they're and they're processed in very different ways, and I know we're going very deep, but in this kind of shows how again it's like there is a same essence on the surface, but then deep down everyone is individual, right? Everyone is differentiated in some way, and it's so important to figure out what this differentiation is, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:56

Yeah, and human hum you know, human design gives us a very, very clear uh sort of answer or position to that, right? Because twins can be born, they can share the same DNA, but they can have different human design. Right? So, what else? I mean, like nearly all the variables have been set. So, how can they be so different? There is something that is different, like you said, the word, the string, the it, the the feeling of that person at that day, right? Like literally, moment to moment it could change. Even yourself, moment to moment you're expressing a different version of yourself, so to speak. So, and in itself, that that is value, that is wisdom, because you know that is how consciousness wants to observe itself, right? By making infinite different versions of itself. For example, some of us on this earth and some in some other places potentially, but the whole point is that right, we talk about energy. Energy is information, right? We know that, right? E equals M C squared, right? Um so if information increases means more lives, more experiences increase, wouldn't that mean that energy increases? That's amazing, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:18

Yeah. And and you know, like even what there's like from every angle that we look at life and our human experience, it's all like it's really aligned like how things are moving. Right. It makes so much sense from rather it's from industrial revolution, and then the internet come on board, and then the social media comes on board, right? And then now AI comes on board. It actually it it it leads us to a point that actually it kind of breaks down um the separation. Right. I was like having a conversation with someone, and then uh he was surprised by what I expressed that uh actually we become more similar, right? And and it brings social media and and and you know Netflix and everything, it brings us together that like in the past we all watch our own um movie and TV shows just in our countries, right? And now, right, everyone same like across the world, right, will love K-pop, right? Or Demon Hunter or whatever that is, right? So it becomes so um universally aligned. And then the other side, the person will say, Well, but that actually is like losing um um the culture, like the the aspect of it, like uh for that individual culture, is that a bad good thing or bad thing? Right? And I think there's no good and bad, it's just because that's just part of the evolution. Right? The the tradition culture is just part of the belonging, not just the belonging get expanded and get bigger and bigger. And and if you look at that trend, then eventually it's natural the entire humanity is uh one belonging, right? Then it closest to the you know like the the collective consciousness and oneness that we can talk about, but then that also prepares ourselves to maybe something else. Like if humanity as one, right, then maybe it's not some like like that, what is the non-human uh form that coming in that we that we might are preparing ourselves. So if if you say like it's not predicting the future, but you kind of see that trend why we are you know naturally pushing along that way, right? Which also means something else will uh will will happen. And that for me, in my mind, it seems logical. I mean other people might might not, but it's just like for me, it's just like this is so logical to me that that's kind of how it will evolve.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:03

I like that point on on culture, and I think if we want to look at it in a similar way as well, is like if you really ask what culture is, like if you just seriously sit down for a bit and just ask yourself, what is culture, right? I mean, the first thing that comes up to me is like the collective essence of culture, or culture must have arts and performances in it. And once you start to realize that these are the essence, then you start to see that what you actually think culture has disappeared has actually not disappeared, it just evolved in a different form. Yeah, so ultimately it's like the essence is there, but it's just what we label, like goes back to labeling point on what culture is.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:48

Exactly, exactly, and then becomes like a collective culture at some point, and and that's just part of our equation.

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Nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:01

Okay, I guess we shall wrap. What you reckon? I need to give I need to go soonish.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:11

Yeah. How how all is our collective? Like, what is the summary?

SPEAKER_01 1:49:15

Right, then we talked about say like maybe that uh one of the the like the big takeaway or something like that, and um yeah, I think something along those lines will work. That's usually what I do. Should we just take turns or do we yeah, I think we can take it whoever's ready.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:37

Yeah, because we all have a different way of thinking, so we kind of fit into the community conversation.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:51

Okay, I can go first. So I think first of all, I want to say like you know, this has been such an invigorating. Conversation with you guys, like just from the first conversation we had, I felt there was something here, right? And we talked about a lot of things that are very close to me today. I guess maybe the last point that we said, right, about community. I think in essence, what I felt, what I've experienced in the last year, and in this and in interacting with both of you, is that the whole idea of community, yes, there is some sort of structure that could is going to be created to gather people. But that in itself is not the most important part, right? The fact that when once gathered, everyone has their own sense. Like we we we gravitated to each other, and then we decided to do a podcast, for example. And maybe we'll continue to interact in a deeper sense, or maybe not. But the whole idea is that that we trust our sense. To know who, instead of a predefined measure of like, hey, you you guys gather together, and you guys are at the same level, so you gather together, it should be, it should be free form, you know. But you choose who you gravitate because if you trust that sense, and and and we've been learning about that, you know, trusting your your heart, trusting your gut, all those things. Um there's a reason why you gravitate. There's some lesson there, there's some I don't know, gift exchange, whatever, any of those things, or maybe if you we use human design, then we say, oh, the other person has the other gate, right? Or the other gene key that we are meant to see, or something like that. Um yeah, I I feel like we need to trust ourselves more. I think that is my takeaway. And yeah, I I'm I'm so glad to have these great conversations with both of you.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:56

Awesome, thank you, Colin. I can go next. Yes, definitely I think this conversation opened up so much. Um what I want to share like in with the community and the world as well, is I think you know, we start from the human design path by talking about Gene Key a little bit, but all of this is kind of and then we is about this self-discovery, self-knowledge. And I think that my key takeaway with everything here is to summarize is like once we have the knowledge about self and about why we have certain assumption decisions, then we start to really like build up our uniqueness and why, like, and then it actually brings back the meaning of life and why we are who we are, right? And and a lot of people ask like, what is my purpose in life and what's the meaning of life? Actually, like is to seek out what who am I? I think I think that is back to the key point because the whole thing about our soul and our life is to experience life in our unique way. That is the meaning and the purpose of life. There's nothing else outside that there is not like an external thing that must be XYZ. Isn't that it's just everyone expresses differently, right? The sum is like Kobe Bryant with basketball, right? Um Taylor Swift with with singing, right? Everyone is different and we express it certain ways. So, and with that, then now we understand this. Then how do we have a new way, a new type of community? Right, as the old system and the old structure no longer work, that is like an external telling us what we are. Now we're like retelling ourselves what we are, then naturally we will need a new form of community that actually supports this type of growth, this type of self-discovery, and so allow us to become like um the best version of ourselves. So I think that kind of wraps up what you know our whole conversation, like between how we discover how we interact with other people, what's our relationship, but it's all back to this like how how can we support each other go through this phase of our new beginning? Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:39

Yeah, thank you, Ryan and Colin, for those syntheses. And I mean, you guys touch a lot on the points, which I definitely want to bring up, and at least my biggest takeaway is have fun, and I think that's a really generic one, so I don't want to end it like that. I want to definitely go more deeper in what having fun means, and I think having fun just means embracing both ends of the emotional spectrum. So this means when your body feels upset, you really go into that upsetness and just let it be there. And then when you're also very happy, then you also fully embrace it. And it's like, then where what does the mind do? Like, what's the mind's role? Then it really is just to enjoy the ride, like enjoy and just laugh at yourself when you trip up. And even though during that moment you're feeling super upset when you look back at it, it's like it's important to just detach from it. And I think thoughts play a really important mechanism, it's like whatever you think it's eventually going to manifest out. So it's so important to just continue thinking positive thoughts, no matter what happens. And even though like you might have a conversation with someone and you might not get a lot out of it, or if you don't want to do particular things, and you still have to realize that everything is necessary for a reason, and it's like it really comes back down to the mind, right? Like this whole thing, I think, is more about how can we balance the mind and emotions and our body, and because we've been trained so much in our lives to use our mind, is like all of this, yeah, only our minds is like all of this really helps at least quiet our minds a bit so then we can reconnect with the whole entire balance of mind, spirit, emotions, and physical self.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:54

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:55

So, yeah, beautiful to wrap up the podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:59

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:02

And yeah, wishing you all the best, whoever's watching, and both you, Colin, Ryan as well. As I really appreciate this conversation.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:13

Yeah, well, thank you so much, and uh hope you know, wish the best for everyone.