EP11 - Crystal Ye: Be Aware of These Spiritual Loopholes!

How do we truly return to “being”? Crystal explains the unique integration of the Gene Keys, Astrology and Human Design, and their effectiveness to helping us become more authentic.

Crystal Ye is the founder of SoulClear. She’s also a Gene Keys Guide, certified astrologer, and mother of 2 daughters. Before all of this, she spent 15 years in the investment industry.

She Explains:

◼ Her Journey From Finance to Healing
◼ Stories of Her Practical Applications Integrating The Gene Keys
◼ How Astrology Empowers You, which 95% of People Misunderstand
◼ How to Cultivate Mutual Understanding in Parenting Children
◼ Why You Don’t Need These Tools Eventually

Timestamps:
00:00 - Journey from Financial Director to Healing
03:39 - Integrating the Gene Keys into Daily Life
09:29 - My Teenage Discovery of Gene Keys
11:30 - Gene Keys is MBTI Personality Test 2.0!
12:23 - The Guilt of Not Doing Enough
14:33 - Gene Key 51: Transforming Shock into Initiative
15:52 - Reframe the Shadows
16:45 - Gene Key 43: Discovering Insight with Deafness
18:53 - Yin & Yang, Shadow & Gift
20:01 - Practical Application
21:05 - Gene Key 23: Complexity to Simplicity
23:21 - Gene Key 57: Unease through Intuition
26:19 - Forms of Intuition
30:40 - The Mental Trap of Gene Keys
31:26 - Body-Mind Integration
35:04 - Dis-ease & Un-ease
35:43 - Response-ability
39:30 - Split-Second Awareness
41:42 - Consequences of Increased Awareness
43:33 - You Can’t Speed Up Nature
45:30 - Astrological Wheels
49:03 - Astrology is NOT “Predictions”!!!
51:37 - Integrating Gene Keys & Astrology
53:20 - “What am I here to learn?”
54:21 - Using Planet Activations as a Forecast Tool
56:11 - Taking a Break
57:06 - You Don’t Need These Tools, when..
01:01:17 - The Limitations of Language
01:03:47 - Life Purpose Course
01:05:23 - Non-Linear Journey
01:07:32 - Building Conditions 
01:15:03 - Parenting with Gene Keys
01:21:26 - Mental Comfort
01:22:10 - Does Children Need these Tools?
01:25:43 - Navigating Parent-Child Conflicts
01:32:35 - Mutual Understanding
01:36:11 - Translating the Gene Keys Book
01:39:14 - New Astrology Discovery Project
01:41:45 - Rising Signs Insight

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Episode Resources:

https://www.crystalsoulclear.com/

https://linktr.ee/awakendiaries

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

You don't need all this if you can really clear your mind. The gift, the shadow, the city, all these words. But just to keep your mind busy so that you can be more aligned with your natural state, like you said. Disease is like this ease. If you're not at ease, that becomes a disease. Insight is inside. The inner vision is to see your inside truth, to be able to hear it.

SPEAKER_00 0:29

Hey guys, welcome to the Awakened Diaries Podcast, where each week we have the privilege to sit with experts, sages, entrepreneurs who've been exploring ideas, tools, and wisdoms to increase our life quality and reconnect with our authentic self. Our conversation today will be around the unique combination of three tools that each provide us with a unique lens for self-discovery, which are the gene keys, human design, and astrology. For those hearing about these tools for the first time, in short, these tools are maps that can help you recognize your core essence and natural strengths so you can make everyday decisions with better alignment. Joining us today here is Crystal Ye, the founder of Soul Clear. We're honored to have Crystal here, who is a Gene Keys guide, official translator of the Chinese edition of the Gene Keys, certified astrologer, and Akashic Records reader. Before all this, Crystal spent 15 years in investment industry, and Crystal is also the mother of two daughters. So to get us started, Crystal, could you explain what the Gene Keys means for you and how you discovered this amazing body of work?

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Wow, thank you for the intro. It's lovely to hear that from you. And it's it's such a delight to come to the Awakened Diaries podcast. I've seen you doing a lot of conversations, deep conversations with many other um many people. And it's it's lovely to see that you at such a young age, um it's it's diving deeper into all these um deep questions. So um I can't believe I was doing that at your age. So it's amazing to see that. Um so back to my story. Um I'm an integrator. So in my toolbox, I always say that I have several tools, um, Gene Keys being one of them. And I actually came to Gene Keys at the sort of at the later stage um in my journey. Um so I've spent 15 years in the financial industry doing investment um in private equity and the stock market, and then I um I took a turn and then um went into this realm, um the holistic healing, um, spirituality, and I first started my journeys through more practical lens, it's through coaching, and then astrology found me, and then human design, akashic records, and then it's only at the last part that gene keys came to me. And I always feel like gene keys came to one's life at a very specific point in time when you are ready to receive it, because it's there all the time, especially if someone is more um fluent in human design, you're probably gonna hear about the gene keys because they are um they they share the same route, um, and it's it's sort of like a sister system, um, but they expressed in different ways. Um, and I I've heard about it, but I never thought about like getting to check my profile on gene keys.com. And it was just through uh a podcast, um uh someone interviewing and an astrologer who I like, and she happens to be also a gene keys guide, and she is like very deep into the gene keys from the very beginning, so she's part of that original community with Richard Rudd, the Gene Keys founder. And so that got me interested because she is also an integrator, and so after that conversation, I decided I'm gonna take a look at Gene Keys, get my profile, and it just got me. Um, so if you go to the website and then start to generate, like put in your birth information, and your profile will show up and um with uh a few paragraphs um talking about or describing your genius, um, or it's like four prime gifts that you have, and it's written in a very um sort of beautiful poetic way, and when I read those, it's just like wow, it's as if my essence was captured by this, and I immediately fall in love with this kind of language because it's very poetic and feminine, and later I will learn that the the founder, like Richard Rutt, he he is a poet, and that's why his language has carry a special frequency. And and I feel like it it the way he described my gifts, what I'm here to do, what my purpose is, it's it's it touched the core, and it touched me some touched something, a part of me that I don't want to admit, but I always know deep inside that that is also me. Um I think that is the beauty of this, it's to give you the permission, at least to be seen for who you are. And even though you don't want to admit or you try to not be that kind um through your actual work, the practical life, it's always there. So I feel like I'm I'm I'm seen and I'm being described in such a beautiful language, um, which human design doesn't have. So to me, human design is more like a masculine system, it's very directive, like, oh, you're this type, you have this profile, so you need to follow the strategy, right? But gene keys is not like this, it's more like feminine. It's like, okay, you have this, and then just start contemplate about that. And you will soon build that connection and awareness to that quality of who you are. Um, so it's it takes patience um and and time and and inquiry. So this is like the key Jinkies approach. Um, and because I came from the human design system, so I know how the connection works. Like when I see those those numbers and words, and I just immediately I can connect. Oh, that that is um how uh the human design shows up in the Jinki's profile. But I like the way that it's showing up. Um, and so I said, Well, this is finally, it's just human design finally landed in me because I think at that time, as I reach a plateau in terms of exploring human design, um, I find it's very heady because there's so much information that human design can provide you, but even down to the little things like what do you eat, like what kind of environment that you can live in. It's like so detailed, it's helpful, but at the same time, it's like oh, that's too much. It's like just information dump into me. And I what is the key things that I need to take away with? Um, and so I don't know how to give a reading in the human design way because it's like I can spend 10 hours talking about you, but you might go away with nothing, like really stick. Um, and so I find out wow, gene keys, this approach. I know how to how to touch someone with this kind of language. So that's how I start to explore and dive into the gene keys world, and it's a rabbit hole. And I think this framework, um, so if anyone generates your profile, you will see that it's that spheres and lines, and it's kind of like a map. So it's uh you follow this path and into into who you are, into your relationship, your woundings, and then also your your your way of like to reach prosperity. So it's it's that journey, and I start to do the self-study myself. I went through so many courses within the Gene Keys framework, and I also became um the Gene Keys guide. And with this framework, I also thread my other tools into this framework. Um, and so ultimately I I find I I take Gin Keys as a holder of everything that I've learned, um, because to me it's the simplest um system. Yeah, so that's my story. Uh, and and I'm really curious about how you discover Jin Keys or how Gin Keys came to your life, because I as I said, I've found that Jin Keys will find like a very peculiar way to land on your life.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

Yeah, definitely. And I think it's not only with the gene keys, I think it's with a lot of these different systems and probably everything in life I've started to realize it's like it comes at the right time when you need it, as long as you continue to seek for it. And how gene keys approached my life was pretty interesting, and it's very important to know that I'm someone who's like really likes to think about my future a lot. So when I was approaching my senior year, I began doing all of these different personality tests, like MBTI career surveys, to try and figure out what type of career I wanted to do and what I wanted to pursue. And that brought me into doing a life purpose course ran by a creator called Leo Gura, who runs actualize.org. And from that course, I realized I wanted to become an author because I really like writing. And I also wanted to do something related to human behavior because I was super fascinated with psychology. I really wanted to delve deep into learning about our psyche, you know, how everything works, how the marketplace runs. So then I began to reach out to authors on LinkedIn who were located around me in Hong Kong and Singapore in Asia. And that's when I discovered gene keys from one of these authors just through a very conversational chat, informal, and they didn't even mention gene keys explicitly. Like they mentioned gene keys in a very subtle way, and that just stuck with me, and I just became super curious, and then I did research on it, and then that got me into the whole rabbit hole of discovering all of these different modality systems, like human design and also astrology, and opening up this world in a very different way that I've seen compared to before. Because in the past, when I think about systems of astrology, I think other systems that really define you, like very constraining in a way where it's like limiting you because of how everyone talks about it. But then this time when I first discovered gene keys, I saw it as more of a tool to help you identify your personality in a way where it's like it's another MBTI test, but then it's more personalized to a certain extent. And it's like you don't have to resonate with everything that it says in the beginning, but then there are definitely parts which speaks to me a lot. It's like it describes me in a really nice way. So then what I will do is I will delve into those parts and then continue thinking about how it resonates with me in the life because the beauty of the gene keys, I think, is how there are three different levels, right? There's like the shadow frequency and then the gift frequency and city frequency, and just to put it in words for those who don't know the gene key system, is basically showing you a particular essence and expressing it in three different ways. So, for example, one of the big frustrations that I had all the time, which I realized was that I felt super guilty for not doing enough. Like I was that person who wanted to always do more and more and more. I wasn't satisfied, and I would feel super agitated because I have to go to school, even though I know that there's like a lot of people out there who are like dropping out and building their own startup. You know, I always wanted to do that, become an entrepreneur, get financial freedom, time freedom. So then in the past, what I will do is I would be super angry and frustrated with myself. And I realized that I would either lash out to my parents or lash out to my friends, or I would close down completely, where I would like literally shut my room's doors at night and just begin crying and victimizing myself and really repress everything and begin blaming myself for not doing enough. But then the gene keys came and I started to realize that there's another way to look at this. It's like it's trying to tell you that because you have this agitation, you have this anger, that's why what you can do with it is take initiative on it and create something out of it. Right? Use that energy within you so then you can project outwards and create something beautiful rather than taking this guilt onto yourself. So, one of the most beautiful things with the Jean Keys is I see that it can help provide an alternative lens to our lives, especially when we face any problems, right? Especially when we're trying to navigate teenage hood and we're being projected on a lot from other people. We can identify these things which we may not actually think on the surface level. And Gene Keys is like that little friend, that little companion for you to rely on, and just another perspective, right? You don't have to listen to it, but it's just very interesting to have this companion. So I'm curious to hear, Crystal, more about how you navigate these shadow frequencies as well.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

I love how you share about your um your connection to these spectrum of consciousness. Um, because we said the three layers, it's a spectrum, it's like colors, or it's like uh different shades of one color, and they're actually the same thing. So it's not like, oh, the shadow is bad, and I have to abandon it, I have to like complain about it. As you said, like your shadow, one of the shadow is agitation. I assume like that's the 51st chinky, um, which is like a thunder in the original uh I Ching hexagram. And so you're here to shock people, and of course, it's like there is always that pulse that oh, I need to like break out and break through and whatever that is. It's like I'm not satisfied with what I have right now, I should do more. Um, and and and that raw energy, it's so beautiful. And it's you cannot dismiss it, you cannot abandon it. It's like, oh, I don't like to be agitated, so I abandon it. No, without this, you cannot turn this into initiative because you have no drive. There's nothing to like keep you going for like creating your podcast, like reaching out to so many people at such a young age. It it's it's because of the agitation. And I think, as you said, like Gene Keys helps you reframe what you see as negative, um, or I don't know, weaknesses. It's to it's to help you to embrace that shadow. It's one of the like the the the the golden adage in Gene Keys is like every shadow contains a gift. So shadow, gift, and city, it's a spectrum. There's no and it's it's it's what do you call it? It's like trend, um like they they're merging, they're they're um they're changing all the time. And it's not like there's a clear line saying that okay, once you cross this, your agitation becomes initiative. No, it's the same thing, it comes from the same source, and and so for me personally, um one of my shadow is deafness, so it's like I can't hear a thing. Um and if the deafness is to the outside world, then that means I'm I'm very stubborn, right? I don't listen. People try to tell me, okay, you should do this, you should do that. I don't want to listen. Um, and and it's it's a negative thing, right? Um, but the gift of this key is called insight, and insight is inside, right? It's the the inner vision, it's to see your inside truth, to be able to hear it, your own voice, your true voice. So, from that perspective, being deaf to noise, to what other people are saying is key, right? If you want to like, oh, like hear so many things, you won't be able to listen to what's coming within. And so I start to appreciate that that sometimes being deaf is like I'm back into my zone, my inner space, the quiet space, so that I can listen to what's really going on, to to follow my truth, to be to be the rebel, to follow the unconventional route. Because one of the uh the archetype to this 43 gene key is a rebel, a creative rebel. So you have to be deaf to certain things, and to be able to like just listen to that inner truth. Um and so uh I start to so when you start to see it from this point of view, like you have to embrace the shadow and then to transmute it, transform it into the gift, which is the insight. So I have other stories about my other gifts. It's it's for example, like complexity to simplicity, and you can see that, oh, they're exactly the opposite thing. How can that be a good thing? How can complexity be a good thing? But without like getting so complicated, like seeing things so complicated, make my life complicated, make the relationship complicated, I'm not able to like really distill and get to the the the core, get to the the the essence of everything. So there is that that process, and I have to go through the complexity in order to reach simplicity. So I think this is the dance of the yin and yang. It's like it's in our Chinese culture, right? Like the i Ching, all the thing is like, oh, it's it's it's it's the same thing, it's just two sides.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Yeah. I'm curious to learn more about your process of integration because one thing that I found when it comes to the gene keys is like once you are aware of it, it's like talking about this is one thing, but then actually walking your talk is another thing, is like another different realm to kind of just integrate into your life to apply it to your everyday work or whatever you've been doing. So, like, how has that process been for you with any of these gene keys?

SPEAKER_02 20:50

It's a long process, it takes patience, it takes inquiry, it takes um gentleness and contemplation. So these are the four pillars of the gin keys approach, and then you have to embrace all of them. Um just take that complexity and simplicity as an example. Because for this, it lives in my evolution sphere. So in your Ginki's profile, there are different spheres, like circles, and each sphere represents an area or a part of you. Um, it's like a classroom. You go to this classroom to learn certain things, and in the evolution classroom, like you're really here to learn in order to evolve. So this is one of the sticking points. Like, oh, it's it's one of the main challenges within your whole chart. And so pay special attention to this evolution. So my evolution is like the this this shadow of complexity. So I think once I start to realize that, I will see like where in the area of my life I'm Adding complexity? Or what are the things that make my life complicated? Or make certain relationships complicated? Or do I need this? Or um certain things like presented to me? Or um a certain project came to me. Should I take it on? And so the golden question I would need to ask myself is does this make my life simpler or more complicated? So it's kind of become a benchmark, a measuring stick to what I need to do. And also, if I need to work with someone to have, I don't know, teams and things like that, I will also see it from that lens. It's like does this setup make things more complicated? And that's why I don't like big organizations. I used to work in like banks and institutions, right? And then I don't like that. And I appreciate that because this is what I'm designed. I don't like this, it's like too much. I just want to get to the things that matter, the most essential things. And so all the things that's noise on the surface, I want to cut it. And so probably I'm meant to like leave the corporate world and just do things on my own because it's simpler. So now I work from home and I don't have a big team. Um, so life is similar this way, and then that nurtures my creativity. Um, so I don't know what's your evolution. So maybe you can like we can try to see what's there.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Yeah, my one I think is uh pretty tricky one. I've been trying to figure it out. It's uh the gift of intuition and the shadow of unease, and then clarity is the city.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:03

So it's like, what is my intuition? I think one thing I've realized is like intuition, I think comes to me in many different ways. Like, the more I look into these different modalities and learn more about like the whole world of like quantum and energy and how so many things are interconnected, the more I actually see the world speaking to me in a certain way. For example, um, just a couple weeks ago, I actually did a past life regression. So, for those who don't know what a past life regression is, is basically a hypnotherapist would like guide you through a visualization process to bring you back to your past life and know in a sense that you actually don't die, but then you just look back into a specific life that your soul wants you to learn more about. And I think what's so interesting about it is from the past life, like one of the images that I saw was a long horn, like a long trumpet horn, and I didn't know what that means back then, but then a couple weeks later, I was driving with my dad, um, like to the dentist, and then suddenly in front there was a car plate literally that said long horn. Out of everything, it was like literally, I'm not joking, it's just as long horn. So I was instantly make that connection, and it was like, wait a minute, there's definitely something there. Is that part of my intuition? Right? Is that maybe life calling me to do something? And back then, what I interpreted Longhorn as is to project outwards, to continue doing more podcasts and like amplify more noise and you know, talk to more people. So I feel like in very subtle and personal ways, I hear my intuition, and one mode has been through car plates, and I'm sometimes also like listen to my dreams as well, and they also do tell me some very interesting information. So it's been very interesting journey overall, and I'm still trying to figure it out, and by no means am I like the master of my intuition yet.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Yeah, that's a that's a great example of like intuition can come in many, many different forms. So through external signals, signs, as we say, like numbers, right? Like the clocks or car plates. And I think Hong Kong cars have so many interesting car plates. I also got a lot of like synchronicity, like just like, oh, that's trying to tell me something. Um that's one thing. Um, sometimes it's more like a confirmation or speak out what's hidden inside. But a lot of the times it comes through your body. Because this key in human design, it lives in your spleen center. Like it's the intuition. Like the intuition is more like the animal instinct. So sometimes when people talk about intuition, it might be coming from the brain, like the head, but your intuition is more like in the body, it's it's like animal instinct where you feel, am I safe or not? Because 57th gene key is very acoustic, it's relating to the hearing. That's where the unease is coming from. It's like you're all it's like a scared bunny. It's like always like the ears, it's like come up and then it's like try to see if there's like uh animals like prey nearby and be alert. So 57 can be very, very sensitive. It's like there's a part of you is constantly like, I don't know, you feel like trying to be aware of what's going on and just like tune into the sphere, and that's where the unease is coming from. If you are if you are responding or reacting to every signal you have, you're going crazy. It's like, oh, there's sound coming from there, it's like this, and then oh, my mom's emotion is like this, and my dad is like the the tone of his voice is like this. It's like, okay, well, I'm I'm I'm I'm it's I'm in danger. But I think the beauty of this is like be aware, but not you you don't have to respond to every signal that you receive. Like you're you're like a transmitter, it's like some something just passed through. And and as you start to refine that intuition, you'll be able to differentiate what are the things that's helpful to you, or you need to really, really pay attention, or what are the things just like wind blowing through. Because 57 is the wind, like in the original hexagram, it's so gentle, it's like a whisper, and sometimes the whisper that only you can hear, and that's why other people think that why you're so uneased, like there's nothing going on, but you know what's going on, and I think it's just start to differentiate or discern what you need to receive, and sometimes just let that signal pass. Um, and yeah, that's a that's a hard one because you you start to develop that connection to your body. Like what my body is trying to tell me, sometimes it's like, oh my throat contracts, or I have and all of a sudden like the heat rushes up to my face, or I don't know, electricity, or just like a chill, or things like that. That's the signal that you will you you will be aware of, and then they're trying to tell you something, and it's such a powerful thing.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Yeah, I really love how you explain that because I think another one of the great insights and benefits of these gene key system is really reconnecting with your body because I think a lot of the times we get so fixated with the voices in our heads, and it's like, what should we trust anymore? Like, what do we actually do? But a lot of the times that we actually just manage to shut that inner voice in our heads and listen to our body, it's like our body actually knows what we're supposed to do, but then we're just not listening to it. And I feel like for someone who's looking into the gene keys in like a very mental perspective, trying to just understand personality, it's going to be very tough to grasp the overall essence without actual physical embodiment and observing like your own personal life. It's like studying something academically versus actually running experiments, I think is it's quite different to a certain extent. It's like correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like there's some sort of physical embodiment that's needed, like some sort of physical awareness that's needed in order to really effectively integrate this like gene key system and be able to like project in like a gift state or a city state.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Exactly. It's not a mental thing, it's um a body, mind, spirit connection thing. And and and that's where I think the human design also comes in handy because the human design can point you to where this specific key lives inside your body. If you look at a human design profile, it's like a body shape, right? And then there are nine energy centers where the there are numbers. So um for me, because my um the the complexity, the simplicity lives in my throat. So what my voice sounds like is something that my like the past seven years of journey has taught me is to rediscover my true voice. Like my voice changed so much over the past few years, and I didn't realize that I was like speaking my social voice instead of my authentic voice. Um, because the social part of me is like I I I try to remember where I was back then. It's like probably there's a part of me that wants to make people like me, make my voice sound likable. So I actually I probably raised my pitch a little bit. He's like the little girly, like, hey, how's that? It's like, oh, nice to meet you. It's like that, but the real voice, which is like touching the essence of everything, like the simple, like in tune with my inner voice, is much deeper, like that vibration is very different. And and I start to discern, or I sometimes I listen back to my voice, and people actually don't like listening to their own voice for some reason. It's like, oh, that's so bad. It doesn't sound like what I what I hear from my own body, right? It's like what's projecting outside is different from what you hear inside, but I have to do that, and I and I start to realize like the way I speak, or like if I'm aligned, my voice sounds different, and so that's the embodiment piece. It's like, okay, if it's in my throat, I have to work on my voice. So I actually went to like vocal lessons and try to like learn about how I sing, how I breathe, how I actually use my body and like let my body like be rooted and grounded in order for that voice to come out more powerfully. It's it's about the vibration rather than oh, the tone, the pitch that you're trying to make it sound more pleasant. Um, so that's my own embodiment piece, just relating to that gift. So for you, it's like the intuition, the body wisdom that you need to reconnect with, because the spleen center is relating to our you to our immune system, to our overall well-being. Your immune system is trying to protect you, right? It's to try to alert you like things are not right, like, okay, alert, alert, like the this dangerous thing is coming, right? You try to defend it. Um, and and and so you have to know, like people get sick, like oh, they they just get realized that they have this disease, and without realizing that your body has been trying to tell you a long time ago, you don't have to get to that severity. Um, and it's interesting there's the connection between the disease and the unease, right? It's disease is like this ease. If you're not at ease, that becomes a disease. So for you, that's very important. It's relating to your health.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

Yeah. I find language to be one of the most fascinating things, is like once we start like delving deep and just pausing and just looking around, is like responsibility, responsibility is like literally it encapsulates that essence in that word itself, and we've been like using it in such a casual manner.

SPEAKER_02 36:34

Take it for granted way.

SPEAKER_00 36:37

Yeah. I'd love to hear more about some of your other challenges with like integrating like the gene keys in general, like looking back into that throat example that you've mentioned is like the the pitch of the voice. Is this something that you realized was changed overnight? Like just suddenly have that like understanding, or was it like over time you realize that it's just like a change that gradually happens?

SPEAKER_02 37:07

I think you will start to notice when I'm speaking from that pure authentic self-state, all of a sudden it sounds different. Or my internal state feels different, I'm more at ease. I'm not trying to prove a point, I'm not trying to please anyone, I'm just speaking my own truth, and naturally my pitch comes down, my body more relaxed, I speak more slowly. Before it's like try to rush, like try to make a point, but then I just start to, and then I can breathe, and then like pause a little bit before I speak, and so I think that's um there is a process, but there is also one point where you like all of a sudden you realize, oh, I I sound different from this um context, or in this situation, I sound different. But of course, like by default, you go back into the the state or the the usual way that you've been doing for so many years, and it it's it's like you're trying to break a certain pattern, so it's like okay, I need to break my addiction, addiction, right? It takes time, it isn't like okay, I can quit smoking and overnight, yeah. But it's it's uh it's a constant practice, and you have to always like remind yourself, okay, oh like okay, back, come back.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

From what I'm hearing, it's like the more you're aware of these authentic states, then eventually over time is like because you're placing attention towards those authentic states, that's why you eventually become that state without even though like sometimes it may not be conscious choice or unconscious choice, it's like you're still projecting and moving towards that direction.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

Yeah, I think it's the awareness makes the unconscious become conscious. And that's just seeing that is starting to make a difference because you will respond to it in a different way if you are aware of it. So it's like you're in the middle of a fight, and then you sort of catch yourself in that situation, in that fire, and realize, okay, what am I doing? Like, am I hurting someone? Am I speaking the unkind words? I think it's just that split second awareness will already make this how this conversation is going a little bit different from before. And that's how you start to break the loop. And relating to this is uh in the in the Ginkies profile, you might need to look at your EQ, uh, which is your um emotional quotient, and it relates to when your buttons are being pushed. Like, how are you reacting or responding to that? And when I look at my EQ, I have the pattern of aggression, right? So with this, it's like it's it's unconscious in me. It's like usually I'm like a gentle person, but in my intimate relationship, close relationship to the people who are closest to me, my children, my husband, I actually like it's very fiery. Like I say things that are not kind. And so when I see that, I I start to really catch that. And my children is such a great reminder, like they are like a mirror to me. So sometimes they will feedback to me. It's like, I don't like your tone, right? I or oh, you're doing this again. Like my lips might start to do weird things that used to be quite unconscious to me, and so with that awareness and also the mirror in your life, the relationship, you will become aware of that. And whether you'll be able to change that immediately, it's it's a practice, it doesn't change overnight. And I think you asked about like the challenging part about this journey, is because you are more aware, you will start to be aware of all the horrible things about yourself. Oh, I'm I have this aggression, I'm very complicated, I make things complicated, and um I'm deaf to what people say to me. It doesn't mean that all of a sudden I become worse. It just means that I'm aware that I have all these shadows, which are the raw material for me to be transformed um into something else, something that could be of use, my gifts. And so I I usually say to my clients or um people coming to study with me, like things may get worse before it gets better. It doesn't mean that it actually gets worse, it's just you are aware that it's getting worse. Um and I think that's that's a stage where everyone has to go through when your awareness is come back online, and things that used to be unconscious become uncont uh become conscious.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

Yeah. I can imagine how there's a lot of guilt and shame behind this entire process because like once your mind sees that your body and your mind is basically like misaligned, then you start to like feel like you're not living your fullest potential. But I think something that has sparked a lot of inspiration on How I combat this problem is just looking at nature itself is like you can see a plant growing, but then you can't force the plant to grow, and your body is the plant itself. And basically, what we're doing with these different systems is like you're able to see like the different growth stages, but then if your body is not ready, then it's I guess more important to just go with your body, and how you can determine whether or not it's a mental or if it's like a body need, is I like to see it as like an attachment to the desire. It's like if you still feel some sort of attachment, is if like your body feels like you still need this thing, then follow your body because it might mean that you're not yet reaching in that particular stage of the evolution. But then in my own experience, it's like I get to a point where I just constantly fall into that negative habit until one day it's like my body doesn't need it anymore to a certain extent, or the desire or the dopamine or the rewards that it gives from that habit is just drastically decreased. It's like my body outgrown it. I think it's very important to not take the system in a too mental way, in a way where you're like putting deadlines on when you have to accomplish different things, because I think especially in the world right now where we're trying to like accelerate with AI, accelerate with creating output, it's it we can fall into that trap of trying to force something that's actually not ready to grow.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

That's a beautiful metaphor of like it's a planned, and that's where this patience approach comes in, like in the Gene Keys realm. It takes time, and everyone has your own timing of growth and your own timing of death, like metaphorically, um, the shedding, the letting go. Um and and speaking of timing, and I think to me that's where astrology comes in because it really tells me about the cycles and the timing of life. It's it's it's nature, like everyone has their own wheel, right? That twelve signs is like a stage of life. You can also look at it from a human development point of view. You start from like a baby, that's Aries, and then go through to the end, like Pisces is a dying person. It's like you're about to reach to and like transcend into another state. So everyone has your own will, even though like our chart looks different, but you can't escape this rhythm of life. There will be a period of time where you just like stagnate or I can't grow anymore. It's like you're reaching the the adult stage, right? The 40s, 50s. The growth is different from when you're a toddler. That's just like you grow like every day. And you can't force that, you can't expect when you reach a certain state, oh, I'm still like before. And so the the astrology adds to this piece when I'm working with myself, and usually I don't look at my like the transit that much because it's like it's but but I I like to do it in a retrospective way, just to understand like what have I been through? Like, why did this happen to me? Like, is there a reason? Is there a meaning? Is there some learning from this? There are periods of time, yes, my relationship will go through changes, or I see it differently, I approach it differently, and it might mean that certain relationships might evolve or change, and everyone will have a period of time where relationship becomes the focal point. It doesn't mean that you're gonna um get a divorce or a breakup, it's up to you, but those stages are meant to like be a mirror, like relationships are mirrors to who we are. So it's meant for you to grow through looking at the other person, and you will see yourself in the other person, and there are also periods of time where your career is up for change, you can resist it, or you can just keep doing the same old thing and just feel like oh, it's so boring, or like you might find that okay, like things need to get shaken up a little bit. Um, you can try new things, you can explore other like opportunities. It's it's more like you need to go with that that flow. Um do what you're meant to do over a period of time instead of like resist to not changing anything. So to me, astrology is not like, oh, I'm predicting certain bad things is gonna happen, and I think that's a lot of the stigma where people are afraid of having your chart read because yes, there are many astrologers who who take this approach and just to say, oh, like this year, like horrible things are gonna happen to you, and the it's their own way of interpreting, but I never would want my clients to leave the session feeling fearful, disempowered, or as if my authority has been taken away because okay, this is doomed, like this year is gonna be like this. No, then why do you have a reading, have a session? Feeling like I'm in a worse state than before. No, it's supposed to be empowering. It's as it's it's like you're getting a weather report. Why do you want to watch the weather forecast? Oh, it's gonna rain tomorrow. Okay, get ready. No, it doesn't mean that, oh, it's gonna rain, so I'm gonna stay at home. Just bring an umbrella, bring a ring coat, and go outside and enjoy the ring or do things in the rain, whatever that is. It's it's make you just be more prepared and go with what the weather is. If it's a sunny day, enjoy it. Like do something crazy. If it's raining, then I don't know, do something else. But it doesn't mean that your life has to stop because there's a thunder outside. I don't know if that's the metaphor um resonates with you, but this is how I see, and that's how I blend astrology into my work.

SPEAKER_00 51:30

There's like I can now see how gene keys actually feed into astrology because even though astrology may, I'm assuming, like, predict some like these negative events in your life, once we understand the gene key system that every single shadow has a gift itself, then you start to understand that the suffering is a gift, right? It it definitely drives some kind of evolution in your life. And I think that's the beauty of merging these two systems together. And I would actually like to know more on like other aspects on where you see these two systems intertwining together.

SPEAKER_02 52:08

Yes, uh, you have a great observation about using the Ginkies language to sort of help you see this negative um situation. But as I said, to me, there's nothing like negative. Like just take relationship as an example. So this year, if you're a client and I see something relating in this area, like your relationship is up for re-evaluation, right? Some things that's not aligned, or you've changed, and how is your relationship is going to change with you? It may or it may not, but it's part of your growth. You can't like hold on to like it has to like be this, otherwise it's a failure. No, if you see it from like everything is helping me to grow, and sometimes I'm outgrowing certain things, it's like okay, I have a small room, I have a studio apartment, and it works perfectly. But when I start to have other things, right? Oh, I may pick up painting, whatever, I play an instrument. I right now this space just feels too limited. You can't say, okay, I'm gonna stay in this little studio forever, even though I love it. So I think it it's the astrology or applying that gene keys into this is like to help you to see what am I here to learn? There's only learning, there's not a failure, there's nothing a mistake. It's just a cycle of life. Um, and yes, your gene keys will help you um fine-tune. Or uh I I use I I call myself an acupuncturer. So I I find that sore spot, um, and then I just like um put insert the needle to it, and then sort of like all of a sudden it's like okay, it's it's unstuck. Um and all these just different systems is just uh like help me to to to refine and to see that point. So for example, your uh gift of initiative, because it's in Aries. So this year there's such a strong Aries energy in the sky, activation, like it's it's affecting everyone, it's the collective, right? Ever since um after the Chinese New Year's in February, and for you in particular, because your sun is in Aries, so the direct impact to you is particularly strong. Because it's like the whole like sky is activating your sun, which is who you are and your essence and and who you are becoming. So that you might feel you're more even more agitated. But is that a bad thing? It might feel not comfortable, but if you see it from that lens, it's like, okay, I am meant to go through this heightened state of Aries fire, impulsive, and I don't know, competitiveness and want to have everything. But at the same time, it's a time for you to like grow tremendously because it's it's like you have fire at your back. Um, and so you'll be able to like just know that okay, this year my like this gift of initiative is being activated by cosmic force. So how do I use it well and not waste this opportunity for my growth? Because you are gonna like move fast.

SPEAKER_00 56:38

An interesting question popped up, which is that ever since you started studying like astrology or gene keys, have you ever had a period where you completely like drop that system and you're like, okay, I'm not going to look at this for like a period of time? And like how how how did that go for you? Because I think a very interesting thing is like these systems tell you your natural state, but then it's like, is it really a necessary thing for us to grasp? It's because like our mental voice is just too loud, right? But once we get rid of those mental voices, it's like you can continue to be in that state, and at that point you you you're you're just in that state. It's like you're doing what you're supposed to do without even knowing that you're supposed to do it. So, like, have you ever had that experience?

SPEAKER_02 57:24

That's a great question, and I and I can see that your intuition is coming online. It's it's it's it's it's great. Um, you know the all this, if you can really clear your mind. Like Richard, he he gave a great example. He said, if you go through the Jinky system, like the book, the Jinki's book that I I'm done translating, it's like 500 pages, and that's just one book, and he has like 10 books. Um and he also has a tiny little book called Um The Art of Contemplation, and it's gonna be republished as Contemplation in June, so next month. And this book is like less than a hundred pages, and he said, This is the essence of my work. If you can get this, you don't need all the other books, but the society doesn't work that way. Like people need to see that, oh, you are an author who can write like so many things, like there is a system and there's like all this to just to be qualified, right? But he said these are all the things to keep your mind busy, all the like the gift, the shadow, the city, all these words just to keep your mind busy so that you can be more aligned with your natural state, like you said. Or it's more like you find your purpose. I don't I don't even like finding is not even the right word. It's like you're you're who you are. You can drop all of this because you're in it. You don't need to think about, oh, I'm like doing my purpose, but you're in it, like you're in it all the time. You don't need to convince yourself that I'm I I am living a purposeful life. This is just for the mind to feel like, oh yeah, I'm I'm good. So, yes, there will be a time where I feel all of this, this is my shadow, that the complexity comes in. Like it getting into my head. I try to analyze. I'm an investment analyst in my prior life, so it's it's one of my skills and that's why I think that's why I'm integrating all this because I still have that analytical part of me to put all these systems like from a logical point of view, and then like to distill to get to the essence. So you still need to reach the mental state in order to get deeper into the heart space, and it's necessary, that's why we need all these knowledge. Um, but ultimately, if you're too much in the knowledge, which AI right now gives you so much, so easily, it's hard, it's it's easy for you to just get stuck here and never go down. So, yes, as you said, it might be good for you sometimes to just take a pause from all of this and start I don't know, start living your life. Um not thinking that I don't know, it and then and then there will be a time where you like this thing start to come back. And it's like you are if you're doing the activation sequence or the other sequence as part of the Jinki's journey, then for sure you will reach a point or a sphere that you just like, okay, I can't go further anymore. It's too much, or I have no desire, I have no energy to just keep thinking about it because it does require a little bit of like mental capability to grasp all these words. That's why language, yes, it's magical, but it can't reach, it can't bring you to that state. You might feel that you're close to that, but it's never gonna get there because only silence will bring you there. And so there might come a point in your journey, you just feel like, okay, I can't do this anymore. I'm just gonna take a pause. I I I take a I took a pause, like in my I think in especially in the Venus, where it's like going deep into the woundings, the relationship, it's like all the icky, yucky stuff, and sometimes your body is not ready to release or to to face all those. And so you just like drop it. But then you don't know how long you're gonna um take a break, but if you're on this path, like you will come back to it. Um, and it's it and it's it's actually part of the journey. Richard said, like, you're never away from this journey. You think you have been away, but you're still in it. Um so yeah, again, back to this this patience and timing. You can't force this. This is not um, it's not schoolwork. Like, okay, this year I'm grade seven, and then next year I'm gonna be grade eight, and then in a few years' time I'm graduating and go to university. No, I think everyone has their own time, and for this kind of wisdom, sometimes it might take many years for you to graduate, or there's no such thing as graduation, to be honest. You're just constantly on this path, and so it's probably okay. Like, I'm forever learning this, so I don't need to rush. There's no a certificate, there's nothing to compare. Like, oh, you already reached, I don't know, graduate school and I'm still in middle school. No, there's like there's no comparison, everyone is on their own timing and your own path.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:10

That's really well said. I just thought back to the life purpose course, which I took initially, and I remember back then I was trying to rush it. I was like super impatient. I was trying I was like setting my entire day just going through all of the different modules, and there was like a hundred different modules, and I think I watched like ten every single day, finished it in ten days, and I thought I would get it all out of it. But who could have knew half a year later, right now, I had to go back to it because I think being impatient really bit me in the ass. And I realized that I didn't really get like the most out of it, and it's like I before I had the mindset of just like completing it, doing as much as possible and really result-driven, but then now I'm just trying to like slow down a lot more and really go deeper and let it contemplate in my head, especially after learning the Jinki's way of like being gentle, contemplation, having patience. And yeah, definitely like this inward journey has been pretty interesting because like it's way different from the external world, like the external world all cares about the speed, all cares about the results, but in the internal world, it's just completely the opposite, whereas like you never know what you're going to find. That's the first thing, and then the second thing is like you never know when you're going to find that thing as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:40

Yeah, it's not linear, and this is might be particularly true for your um your your wife's work, the 51st gene key, which is like a thunder. Like you're here to awaken people, you're here to be awakened, and you Can never predict the timing of it. It's like you never know when there's going to be a thunder. It's it's a shock. Like you're here to shock people, you're here to be shocked. And this it's it might be all of a sudden you just like, oh, I'm awakened, like I'm like everything clicked and fall into place. But it might take a long time before anything happens. And it's because we we talk about breakthrough, right? There's also a pathway of breakthrough in the gene keys profile, and this breakthrough you can never predict. It's like a quantum leap. It's not like, oh, I climbed the ladder and when I reach the top, and then I'm gonna go there. No, because it's it's not in the same dimension. It's like nothing can take you there. Like there's no ladder that can take you there. Um and sometimes it might be just like a switch, and then all of a sudden you you're there. It's not like, oh, I have to walk this long path. And sometimes it might be just next to each other, but you're just not able to reach it. Um yeah. And I just find your key is just very fascinating. Um, this 51st. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:48

Yeah, with this like unpredictability, I think what Richard said as well as to what we can do about it is just set the conditions so then we can prepare ourselves for whatever is going to happen. And for me personally, I really like journaling, and I've also developed the routine of meditating. And I think that's really been super helpful for me in terms of like something to be consistent to do every single day, so then you know you're kind of preparing for that condition. So I'm running for yourself, Crystal. Is there any particular routines or anything that you'd like to do as well?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:29

Um uh for me it's um I play cello. Um, I actually started to learn about cello with my older daughter um three years ago. So I'm a newbie, I'm a beginner. Um, but I I feel like cello is part of my journey because it has a lot of the elements that like fit into what I need to go through. First, it's deeply emotional. I have a lot of emotional work um to do. Um, and the the deep sound of cello, it's like really grounded, it's not like violin where it's like super high pitch, it's like that, but it's like there. And it's uh the whole instrument is pressed against your chest, a heart. So you're I'm I'm I'm together um with the cello, so when it vibrates, I vibrate. It's like my whole body vibrates with the sound, and so it's to me, it's a it's a way for me to be connected and also to attune to the voice, to the sound. Because the string instrument is different from I used to play piano, and for piano, you can't be wrong, right? You just press this and it's it sounds right. 90%, right? It's it's C note and it's C note. But it's if it's a string instrument, like you don't know where the exact spot is. Like you have to really train your ears um to listen if it if it's in tune. So I think this is my connection. It's one way that I am connecting to my body the vibration, the sound. Um so I yeah, so I do try to practice daily. Um, and I'm still going to the lesson with my daughter. So I want it to continue for as long as I can, for as long as she allows me to, or for as long as I'm able to catch up. Um, because kids learn this like faster than adults when when we reach a point. Like at the beginning, I'm faster because I have my mind, um, and they have less control about the mind, but they're the body is super flexible. Like my we're we're stiffer, like adults are stiff. Um, and but I think like cello is one of the things, and it's because it's music, it's sound, and of the frequency. Um and other things, it's just awareness. I don't meditate every day. Like I don't meditate, but I try to, I think every pause is a meditation. As long as you're like, okay, like just take a deep breath, put you back into that quieter, calmer space, which is so hard when you're raising kids, like parenting. I'm sure a lot of the moms and like at in in the 30s, 40s, this is our daily practice. Like, how do I respond to my children? How do I be a better self in front of them? It's it's for me, it's constant hard work. This is the real test, and I got tested every day. So I may have like um a ten-hour day when they're at school and I feel like oh peaceful, like I am good. And then the moment they come back from school, and I will like the test, the real test is coming. Like, can I can I keep my cool? Can I keep my openness to them? Can I really like tune in to what's going on inside them and just be patient? I'm still learning. I'm I'm still not very good at that. And and my children always remind me. They're very sensitive, and they're I mean, children, they're they're pure. Um, and my older one, she also has the 57 as well. Like, so she's particularly sensitive. She's very sensitive to like noise. Like sometimes her younger sister just like raised her voice in higher pitch, and she's she's going crazy, um, and tried to escape that. Um, and so they're they're always reminding me like, oh mom, you're like this again. I don't like when you're like this, like you're doing this again. And so I have like my teachers always like next to me, and I'm learning always. Um, but I think everyone has their own learning ground, and for me, because of my own design, so in astrology, I have a lot of my my chart is very concentrated, especially in the area of family, and that's why being a parent is my real like test, is where my growth is coming from, and that's why my journey starts when I have my two two children. Before then, I'm all good, like I feel like I'm good, everything is under control, but but then everything is not, um, and they yeah, they're they're the reason why I'm on this path. And I think for other people, it might be in their work, it might be in their relationship, it might be in, I don't know, health. So we all have our thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:22

Yeah, super cute that you shared the bonding activity between you and your daughter, like with the cello. And delving deeper into parenting and how you integrate all of these, you know, different systems like gene keys and astrology, things like that. What have been some of your core insights? Is like I can imagine how no matter how you parent your child, is like at the end of the day, they will have a wound still, like you can't really have like both sides of this coin. So it's like, do you minimize that degree of wounding, or how how do you approach parenting?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:05

Yeah, great question. Like, you can't interfere with life, even though you think you can make a difference. I think that's sort of like a zoom out perspective. I know that, I see that, but it's really hard when you're in the situation. But I think what this is like has helped me all the way start from when I start to learn about astrology. I look at my children's chart, and that's when I start to accept or have an explanation for why she's the way she is. There's nothing I can change. I just I need to accept it. I can never make her into a child like someone else. Take my older one as an example. She is super sensitive, like she's emotional when she was young and cry for no reason, and it's hard to comfort, and she might not be able to verbalize all that. She's not a very um talkative um child, and when I see her chart, I understand immediately because just from the most simple uh thing, like in astrology, I look at the elements. There are four elements, so you you can just look at the chart and just to see, okay, is there an element that's like super strong? Or is there an element that's super weak? We call it like the missing element. For her, 50% of her chart is in water, and water is the feeling, the emotions, the unspeakable, like that, right? The the formless. It's like you're being drowned into the ocean and not being able to speak a thing, and that's her. That's why she has so many like tears, which why like she is like triggering a lot of like tears, and my water inside. I have a lot of water as well. On the other hand, she doesn't have air, and air is communication, is like the the thinking, the speaking, the the like the mental. It doesn't mean like she is not smart, it just means that sometimes it's hard, it's not as easy for her to speak, like she's not able to like understand or verbalize what's going through, especially when she was young. So I can't like ask her to, okay, explain that to me, like why you're crying. No, like she doesn't even understand herself. So when I see that, it's like as a parent, it's a helpful thing because you you need to start accept who she is. Because this is you cannot, you can never change it. You can only start to help her to utilize all these gifts. She has a lot of water, she's very sensitive, she's very attuned to the environment, she's very caring, she's very gentle, she's very kind, and these are her gifts, like sensitivity is a gift. Like, you know, I don't have to change her into oh, you have to be more like tough and I don't know, logical and speak up and be aggressive. Like this is not her natural state. I think for parents to to to use some of these tools to understand your children, the outcome might be you just like get out of their way.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:22

That's deconditioning.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:24

Yeah, I don't want to be the obstacle for her to become who she's meant to be. That's why I need all these words and all these charts to remind me, okay, this is who she is. Don't don't don't change. I help her, I guide her. Um I give her the opportunity to maybe to balance that out a little bit. But I really can't control. Like I think for me, it that like letting go of control is it's one of the hardest lessons for my parenting journey. And I think all these tools is just to help me like okay, release, release, let go of the control because they are exactly who they are. It's just stop interfering, nature.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:28

Like a lot of the times I think I see when I like talk to my parents or like just studying parenthood in general, is like they have a lot of expectations on what the kid is supposed to be. I mean, that's the main reason why they want a kid in the first place for a lot of parents. It's like they want you to achieve the dreams that they didn't weren't able to achieve, or like become someone like them. But I can see how these tools now serve as more like a mental comfort because it shows you how they are unique, and there's really no like ranking on like which one is better, it's just something that's made in your head because every single gift can be exceptional if you allow that to grow. It's just like comparing different types of plants, going back to the plant analogy, it's like comparing a tree with like a sunflower, right? Each one of them have like a very unique and individualized aspect.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:28

Exactly. So I remember what Richard or one of the teachers said, like your children don't need like these kind of like charts, um, especially the younger ones. And I also have a rule of I only give reading to children, like to them individually after like 18 years old, like when they become an adult. Um younger than that, I will only do the session with the parent. Because they need to know. The children, the child doesn't need to know because they are they are in their natural state if you're not trying to force them to become what you expect them to be. So it's more like you need it, like I need it, they don't need it because they know they their body knows I I am this sensitive, intuitive person. Um it's it's for me. So I think for for you, like you're almost into adulthood, I think for younger people, if you feel like you're not lost, or you feel like I'm just doing what I love to do, you're good, like you don't need this. But if you're like some kind of expectations or a defined um path, like, oh, you have to be a doctor, you have to be a lawyer, and it doesn't feel right to you. I think that's when you need this kind of tool to sort of make you remember who you are and broaden your perspective. It's like, okay, other than the lawyer and the doctor and the investment banker, what else is possible? Um and and and the language of Gene Keys is particularly interesting, it's not a career counseling tool, it doesn't tell you with this gift of initiative, you need to do this kind of jobs. You can do any kind of jobs, it can apply to it can apply to anything. But it's as you said at the beginning of a conversation, it touches a deeper layer. It's it's it's sort of like at the core, it's it's more like your essence, and with that essence, you can grow into anything you want. Um it's more like a tool for you to remember who you are if you have been conditioned by your parents, by the society, by school, um, by authorities, um just to come back to the most essential thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:55

Yeah. Speaking more about parenthood, do you still have these like crazy arguments sometimes where you can't control yourself, or is it more like compassionate over time already?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:08

It's like no, I'm still I still get angry, I still get triggered, I still have my children writing to me because they have this little cute thing that they um that for my younger one, she she liked to write on uh a piece of tissue. Like she would write like this, use her pencil, um, and then fold it and then throw it at me. Oh, so like the argument is on it, or no, it's like um sometimes it's about my argument with the sist with her older sister, and she will always write, mommy, you need to hug her. Give her a hug. That's what her sister needs. Sometimes I get angry and then I want to touch her. I I I ran away. But what she needs most is for me to stay with her, even though she's going crazy and like losing herself. I need to stay with her. It's like we're doing the shadow work. Embrace it, sit with it. You can't like, oh, when the shadow shows up, I run. No, you're just like you have to like hold it tight, as if it's a it's a a wounded animal. Like you need to to to to comfort her, to to let her feel safe. I think it's the same with me with my daughter, like in those difficult moments for both of us, we need to be together. I need to stay. Through it, even though it's really hard. Like, I don't want to go there, I don't want to stay, I don't want to like have like she get angry at me for no reason. Um, but that's my my younger one, you're trying to remind me like she needs a hug. Is that I deep down I know, but I can't do it. It's like you're having a fight with your friend and you know what he or she needs. It's just like I don't know, an understanding, right? Um a pat on the shoulder, but you can't, like your or your ego is like, no, why should I do this? Like, why don't you comfort me? Um so that's that's one of the things, and then like recently uh I had a I had a fight where I get super impatient and annoyed with my older, and then I probably said something not kind and just make her feel bad. Um, and then she writes me like a note saying first saying how bad I was like, why you have to be this like annoying, um I don't know, anxious or whatever. I don't remember like the exact word that she used, but it's like quite harsh. And then she said, you need to be calmer, nicer, um, be a better mom. Um, and and she said, Oh, why you need me to always be perfect? And I think she nailed it, like she actually is saying the truth at that point. I'm not calm, I'm not, I'm very annoyed, I'm I'm not peace, peaceful, and I make her feel that she's not good enough. Um, and she write it down, and then she said, Okay, I need you to like why can't you be calmer and nicer and better? At that point, I was I was also quite sad to receive this, but at the same time, I told her afterwards, I said, Yes, you're right, and thank you for reminding me that, and I need your help to help me remind me when I'm in those like situations. How can I be calmer and nicer and better? I want to be that, I don't want to be the annoyed mom. Um, and so I think like really they're here to help me, and I help them, like we're on this together.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:56

It's like developing that trust between like the parent and and the child is like the greatest thing that you can do.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:04

Yeah, it's to keep to keep the conversation open. I think the the worst thing that could happen is the children close down, like shut them off to you. I think that's that's the worst thing. Like you want good or bad, like even they you get shout at even they shout at you. It's better than they close the door and say nothing. That's my that's my view. I want it to be argument instead of silent treatment Well maybe your children one day will re watch this podcasting. But what's what's your dynamic with your parents or what you wish your parents might do it differently?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:24

I guess there's nothing that I wish would be done differently because I feel like if we alter this is getting too scientific, but if you alter like one event, then it wouldn't lead to like the person I am today.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:37

Yes. There's no mistake.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:41

But I would say it's not more of a wish, but it's more like developing a greater acceptance, especially on like both ends. It's like as a child myself, like now when my parents become mad at me on the perspective which is different from my own viewpoint. I show them love instead of repress back. Like in the past, I would just like completely like silently cut off or I would lash back at them. But then now once I start getting used to and start really at least like mentally first understanding like where their viewpoints come from, then it's like I realize that I myself also have these different set of perspectives, and sometimes I would also like be unable to control my emotions, and during those times, like what I need I think is love itself, and so I would give that to my parents. Like, I would just let them speak, like let them lash out at me, understanding that it's not a personal thing, it's like a mechanism itself, it's just like an unconscious response. Sometimes they might just have like a bad day or something happen, but then at the end, it's like you show them that you understand it. And I think like the Venus sequence also taught me like a really good trick. It's not really a trick, but it's like how you approach these relationships, is like because we are humans, that's why we are also like sometimes very s emotional. I mean it's it's going to eventually happen. So it's like during those times we have to like show compassionate to the other person by just like verbally acknowledging or physically acknowledging is even better that you're there as a person. So I feel like to get to all of these, you have to go through a lot of like experiences yourself and discover it. I mean, for me, I think I've been quite a seeker of like understanding human behavior, and that led me to like all of these different modalities. And I think if it wasn't for that, then I wouldn't really like understand it mentally. So I think it just gradually unfolds, and everyone unfolds in a very different time.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:06

So it's a beautiful change. It comes back to acceptance and understanding. I think that's the first level of having a healthy relationship. It's like you don't try to change the other person. Um the only one that you can change is yourself. Um and there's a saying that it takes one person to change a relationship. That's one of the quotes from the Venus sequence. Sometimes we feel like, oh, we're doing all the work, and why the other person can't change. Um it doesn't have to. I mean, they have their own timing, we can't force them to change. The only thing we can control is ourselves. So um, and sometimes we can't even control ourselves. So um just just do the work. Um because you are the first to get awakened, so be the awakened one.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:21

Yeah. Beautiful. Just wrapping everything up. I would just like to learn more about what's exciting for you in life right now. It's like, of course, right now you're translating the Gene Keys book, the first book, and Richard has like 10 different books, so probably that's going to take you what? Another five, ten years.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:49

Yeah, we we don't know about the other books yet, because this one is still like in the final um typesetting stage, and hopefully it's gonna come out this year. Um what's exciting? Well, relating to the translation right now on the Jinkies website, we finally have um Chinese profile. So you can select the language in simplified Chinese, and that's um like the the profile itself is translated by us. Um, but I think uh there's still a lot of the um the descriptions and the like you click this and then it expand and then explain many things, and those are still being like machine translated, and we have to manually check and redo a lot of those. But for now, at least you can click the PDF, and then that chart is completely from our translation. The the the keywords like um the line keynotes and all the things, so I'm really happy about it that it's finally there because so many people like they they want their chart, but it's in English, and if you do the the AI translating, it's it's not perfect. Yeah, um and then what's exciting for me, I'm now in a in a apprenticeship with uh another astrologer, um, astrology teacher. Um she's teaching her own method that she's developed and researched and um for the past 15 years. Um, it's never been shared publicly. So this time she only chose uh the eight of us. Um we had to go through the application, the interview to make sure that we fit her. Um and so I'm in the middle of this, and this is uh it's about the rising sign in astrology. So usually if you are into astrology, you look at the three, you first look at the three pillars, what I call it's the sun, moon, and rising. And I think the rising sign particularly never gets like a real solid explanation of what that really is. There's so many school of thoughts about what this rising sign is, and sometimes people say, Oh, it's your mask, and sometimes you'll say it's this, and it never really like lands until I see her work, and I sort of I understand, like immediately I know it. I know it, that's the truth, but I don't have all the data to support it. Like, she is the very like she's like I think her mind works like an AI, it looks like calculates so many things, and then from her thousands of clients reading, looking at all the like celebrities charts, and like she starts to see the patterns. And so she has like this unique perspective on the rising sign and how it um how it sets the tone of our life, and and it sort of shows into different like shores, like for the same rising sign group, we actually share very similar stories, or in a over a period of time, like okay, our relationship all have issues, or sometimes it's like, oh, like uh my career is undergoing changes for certain rising signs. So those are your tri, like your people, like you go through things similarly, and it's determined by the rising sign, not your sun sign, even though like sun sign is still like who you are becoming, but your stories to get there, it's very different. So I'm learning this, it's like wow, this is so fascinating, and um, again, it comes back to the wheel, like it's it's just patterns. It's you're meant to like go through everyone has their own challenges and tough times and better times, and and then at the end of the day, I think it just helped me to accept more and interfere less. It just keeps my mind, it's like okay, understood, like this is what it is, and so sit back and relax. You cannot do anything about it, it just is. So, um, that's that's that's what's going on currently.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:46

Wow, awesome. That actually piqued my interest in learning more about it. So, could you for those astrologers out there, just give like a little sneak peek on what this rising sign is?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:02

Um so if you know about a little bit about the rising sign, it's um it's the east horizon of when you were born. Um and showing up in the um astrology chart, it's your first house. Like where your rising sign is, it's where your first house is. And so if you have this first house, it means that all the two, three, all the way through the sec uh the 12th houses are set, like they all have different themes, right? If I do you know your rising sign?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:39

I don't, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:42

It's okay. Um, but it it's it's like okay, the starting point. The first house is you, it's who you are, and also related to your first seven years, like your your early experience, your childhood. It sets the tone, and that's why it's so important. And then from there, um, everything follows um the order, right? The the 12 signs, they they all have an order. And from there, it's like you'll be able to see your um family patterns, like your your family like genetics or the family dynamics, um, unconscious, especially, and then you'll be able to see your relationship, like who you are attracted to, like why your relationship is different than the other person, and why some partner might be look perfect to someone it's not for you. Um, because you you you need a certain type of relationship, and then it also affects what you do, like your career. So it's like everything is connected back to that starting point. Um and so we will be able to see like, oh, like our childhood, um and certain things, uh, certain events um happen, and that's exactly what it's supposed to happen. Um yeah, and it's all connected. So it's um it's another topic.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:33

So it's like another synthesis of um I don't know yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:44

I don't know how I would like integrate this to my work. I don't know if I'm gonna give a reading from this perspective, but it's it's a different way of seeing all the archetypes and how our stories work. I usually say the gene keys is also like an archetypal journey. Like let's say you start, like you're you're here to become a thunder, but then you have to go through all these to become a thunder. Like you have to do all the challenges, the tests, and the growth to get there. And then this is another story about okay, like your your childhood experience, like your relationship, and all these major areas in your life, and and even like your um your relationship to money, things like that. It's it's very practical as well. So um, yeah, I don't know how it's gonna work, but I just I'm very curious, so I I just want to learn.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:53

Yeah. I just quickly searched up my rising sign, it's Virgo.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:58

Ah I think that explains some about your drive to excel to be perfect, but at the same time, there is a lot of shame and guilt around not good enough. Um and it might also there is a pattern where in the how in like the the family have put a very strong emphasis on higher education. You have to excel, you have to like be good at school and learn all these things and like more I don't know, you need a master's degree, or like there's that belief system of in the the actual knowledge, um, and so that adds a little bit of pressure on okay, what if I can't do that? But at the same time, it can drive you to to continue to uh become better. Um yeah, that's just quite accurate description.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:19

Um yeah, awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:26

Well, can't wait to have you back on sometime in the future to explain all these new discoveries.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:32

Yes, after I'm done with this, like complete all the houses, uh all the signs. Um yeah, I would love to share more next time. And um, it's it's lovely to speak with you and and I really enjoy this conversation and thank you for sharing your journey as well. I'm I'm really curious and like the the the teenagers, how how they are doing, and I'm like amazed by your generation.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:07

Well, thank you for starting the outro for me. It was an honor, Crystal, to have you here on Awakened Diaries. And to anyone who's still listening, wishing you guys all of the best and catch you in the next one. Peace out.