Effort Is a Talent: David Pollack on Making Every Day Count

When David Pollack broke his neck on an NFL field, the career he'd chased since he was four years old ended in a single moment. What he found in the stillness became the message he carries now: every day counts, and how you respond is the only part you actually control.

Joey Odom and Chris Hart sit down with David, a College Football Hall of Famer, longtime ESPN College GameDay analyst, and author of Every Day Counts, for a conversation about effort, faith, and family. He breaks down his 50/40/10 idea (you can outwork half the field and out-detail most of the rest, so heart becomes the separator), makes the case that effort itself is a talent you can develop, and gets honest about how chasing football as his god set him up to rebuild his life on something sturdier.

Then it turns practical and personal: leading at home by serving instead of being served, the one question that beats "how are you?", and why he refuses to let sports become the thing his whole family revolves around.

In this episode:
— What David found in the stillness after a career-ending neck injury: sport makes a poor god
— Why he refuses to be a "why me" person, and how focusing on your response changes everything
— The 50/40/10 idea: outwork half, out-detail most, and let heart separate the rest
— "Effort is a talent," and how removing the fear of failure unlocks it
— Starting where your feet are: the unglamorous grind behind the GameDay chair
— Leading at home by serving, and the question that beats "how are you?" (try "what are you out of 10?")
— "Decisions over choices": settle who you are in advance so the daily calls get easy
— Why sports shouldn't become the family's god, and keeping time together and church non-negotiable

This week's small step: Before bed, text yourself or a friend three non-negotiables for tomorrow. Not things you hope to do, things you will do. Knock them out early before the day gets loud, and make at least one of them count for someone you love.

Be Brave. Live Big.

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SPEAKER_02 0:03

Welcome to Brave and Big, where we talk about living a Brave and Big Life. I'm Joey Odom, husband to Kristen, dad to Harrison and Gianna, speaker, former tech co-founder, and author.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

I'm Chris Hart, husband to Molly, dad to Blakely, Cooper, Landry, and my son Brave. I'm the CEO and founder of the Brave Group and Brave Performance Agency. Joey and I have been having these talks for 25 years, and we're better for it. We believe the same will be true for you. Enjoy this episode. Be brave and live big. Brave and big. Ah, the people. I hope you're ready for today. Of course, we've got the Joey Odom, but we've got a special guest. Oh. We we we Joey. I don't know how excited you are. I don't know. I don't know what a 12 looks like in your world, but it's big guy. It's gonna be pretty special today, and I I want to do it right. Okay, we're gonna get right into it. We don't need a whole lot of hype. I don't just want to say random words. But I am gonna need a little help. Okay, just uh uh uh uh brave and big listeners. Uh oh he's a dog from Georgia! He hasn't had candy in two decades, he's a calm dine legend, former first-round pick in the NFL, Bengal Nation, rise up! He wears a brain halo better than most men, wears her look like a child. He puts every day in college game day. He's an author, husband to a cancer killer, father to freak athletes. You don't want to play him in space, and you don't want that pickleball smoke. He's a smack-talking tongue assassin. He's the host of C-ball, football, author of Everyday Council, that's six foot three, two hundred and thirty eight pounds, Raven Ben, would you welcome the one and only David?

SPEAKER_00 2:00

I want to go! Come on. Oh, I mean, does everybody get that treatment? Because that's pretty incredible. Like, that is absolutely first of all, I do these all the time, by the way. I've never been more excited. I've never been more excited to sit with two dudes that I love, two dudes that I know. I knew how their heart beats, who they are, what they are. Um, I'm excited like crazy, but man, what an intro. Oh, golly, that took Hart at least three hours.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

But since we met, I just thought, let's get an intro, right. You know what I'm saying? So come on. Yeah, thank you enough for being on here, buddy. We sure love you. It's gonna be great.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

Absolutely. Gonna be crush time. I mean, that is hard. You are like, and here's what I love, and Dave, this is true. That is AI free. That's like Chris, he's steroid-free, AI free. You know what I'm saying? Like he just he just brings the juice without the supplements. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 2:51

I mean, just shirtless when we started this thing. I mean, just coming in, coming in the room shirtless. That was amazing. But no, he's definitely never short on juice. That's man, I mean, how by the way, what greater what greater compliment could someone give you? Seriously. Like what greater compliment could someone say than every single day you show up? I just got a text from somebody. I did a documentary with Coach Rick, and it was about him and his life. And this guy texted me and he said, You're the most intense person I've ever met. And I was like, thank you. Um, but like we we get to control that juice, right? Like we get to control whether we bring energy, excitement, and joy. Like, that is a hundred percent a choice. And I know something will come up in your day every day to want for for you to give you the possibility to ruin that, but we choose whether we want to empower that. And I love that that y'all don't do that, man. Forget that crap. Come on.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Well, it's your life, it's your opportunity, it's it's your next move. You know, so the great thing, and we we're big on this, just even on this plot, and it's how you live your life and and everything that you're doing, but you think about that and and you get to bring it and we get to match it. We've talked about that, you know what I mean? Like, like if DP is gonna bring that juice in spades, man, the guys around them want to do that. And I'm saying that from experience, but it's like, hey, we're we're playing guys, we're competing, we're coaching our kids. You get to decide how you come into that, and it really is an everyday decision. And and and I need you to speak to that as we kind of get going here, is as the new everyday counts expert. But that's just the reality of who we are. We serve a great God. It's a it's infinite possibilities. Why would we approach it any other way?

SPEAKER_00 4:31

Yeah, and if you think about one thing too, but one thing, one thing I've learned though about it is it is a good thing and it is a blessing, but it does come with other things too, right? Like, because here's the bottom line high achievers, high energy, they aren't necessarily liked by low achievers and low energy. Low achievers, low energy don't necessarily like high achievers and high energy. It's oil and water, right? It might not mix, and that's and that's perfectly fine. Like, but you're gonna cross paths with folks, but but how about being a catalyst for somebody? And that's what you guys do so well. Like being a catalyst for somebody that puts lighter fluid on everything, right? Like we're making, we're bringing, we're bringing more to this. We're gonna bring more from this person. Like, you want to surround yourself with those people, man, that they make you the best version of you, which means you're bringing juice, you're bringing energy, you're having fun. Listen, this world's gonna be hard anyways. Like, we ain't getting out alive regardless. So we might as well have some have a daggum good time, bro.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

Come on. Out of the gates, fellas. I mean, so listener, you have to understand what just happened. Like something, something happened. I've I've done quite a few podcasts from hosting to joining. I've had 200 podcasts that I've or so that I've done, and every one of them, in every podcast I've ever done, the host and the guest have been have had shirts on. When I when I jumped in the studio here, we're doing this virtually. When I jumped in the studio, both Chris and Pollock both had their shirts off, ready to roll. I mean, you talk about some juice. So it's uh it started.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

We did not talk to each other. We had no clue. There was zero coordination.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

It's happened zero times to me, and it happened two times in the same day. And um, and this is why, I mean, you guys, Chris and I were talking before, you know, you kind of prep for interviews, and we just thought there's not a lot of prep because it's gonna, it's we're gonna bring it today. Pollock's gonna bring it today like you always do. So, man, I am so excited to have you. I'm also so excited that you read a book which is your own. Is that the first? Like, where does like how many books have you read?

SPEAKER_00 6:31

First one without pictures, yes. Um, yeah. I definitely um, you know, you know, that is interesting though. That is, you know, something a part of this conversation that's good is like reading is not a natural thing for me. Like just getting still and sitting down is not something that I've always loved to do. Um, but but I have learned like how how can I do that and be the better best version of me and accomplish that. Like I've learned now in my house, like, you know, instead of having those downtimes where we just scroll, and which we will do, like I literally have a book in the kitchen now. And I'll have a book that I have on me, and I'm just reading it, and I'm like, hey, we got a little downtime, nobody's doing anything, and I'll just read through and I'll highlight and have a couple different things. And then, you know, obviously trying to get it from here into here is always the next step for me is like, how do, okay, that that's that's cool. I like that. Now, how do I put this into my life? And to so then I I like to transfer it, and I I figured I know y'all, y'all are adults, like these two dudes are adults, but like I figured out I found out about Google Docs literally when I started my seatball, get ball podcast. So that shows you how much schoolwork I did, but then transfer it in there. But no, I definitely not a natural reader, like that is not something that comes uh like some people like that stuff a lot, and that's that definitely isn't me.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

You have written a great book. I loved it. Um, and that book is called Everyday Counts. Uh, it's just come out, it's a great book. And I want I want to start here, David. We so it's called Every Day Counts. So I want to start with days. 7,221 days ago, you were lying motionless at Paul Brown Stadium after breaking your neck. So so let me let me ask this, and this will kind of be the through line here through a few different things in your life. What do you do when everything you've been working toward goes away in a moment?

SPEAKER_00 8:18

The fact that you knew the days is impressive. That's very impressive, by the way. Um took a long time to count that. Yeah, that calculator had some work to do. Um, you know what? What what you do is you kind of sit in it first, just like I think any situation. There's no choice. Um there's you didn't ask for it, right? I didn't say, like, I'd I'd like to sign up for a broken neck. Um that's not what I was shooting for. So I think you sit there in it, you're trying to figure out what the heck's going on. Your brain starts racing, right? Like, okay, how how bad am I hurt? I've always been able to get up. Like, I've I've had these stingers before that you have that the pain that shoots down your arms. Like, had those before, get those all the time, but this is different. It's in both of them. Uh, I can't move my arms, I can't control them. So I think, you know, you just start running through your brain, and then you, and then you start slowing your brain down, and then they start giving you information, right? And you start taking it in. And, you know, you go into the stadium and have an MRI, and it's like, hey man, you uh, you know, you fractured your C6, C7. And I was like, cool, that's not too bad. And then like, that means you you broke your neck. And I was like, oh, that that that really sucks. Never mind. I didn't I didn't know it was that bad. Um but then you I think then you just start to to process and understand, you know, what you're going through. And I and I think that the the fun thing about any situation is always like, okay, there's there's always a reason, right? Like, there's always a reason. And and we don't know what it is, and and I didn't know what it was. And and I'll be honest, man, since I was four years old, I knew I wanted to play in the NFL, and that's what I pursued, and that's what I chased. And honestly, if I'm being honest, deep down to my core, that was my God. And I say that because I pursued that more than I pursued God. Like I worked harder on my on chasing football than I did on my relationship with the one who created me. That's not, and you know what you realize in a moment is sport makes a really horrible God. And so you you got that in that moment, and then obviously, you know, the the recovery and everything that came with it, man. I I've never had to be still. I've never had to sit around. I've never been, obviously, in a halo. I've always been an angel. I just didn't have the halo to go with it. But like having all of that time now to be still. And the Bible says, be still and know that I am God. You know what's really, really cool, man? You go from a transactional relationship with God. I'll holler at you in the morning, I might holler at you before a meal to, I got a lot of time. I God created a lot of space and a lot of opportunity. What was I gonna do with it? How was I gonna use it? And that's what, you know, that's how it all started. And that's how God started to pull me in and be like, oh, wait, this is what a real relationship with God looks like.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Did you spend a lot of time kind of asking that why question? Did you have to sit in that very long or did you get right after let's move forward? What was that like?

SPEAKER_00 11:06

I I didn't. I I'm not a why guy. Um I think one of the most oh I think one of the best things about being an athlete is you don't have time for that. Like you don't have time. You you you fail and you line back up. You fail and you line back up. Like you you have to get used to getting beat, and then and then what is the next step? Oh, I got hurt. Like I pulled my hamstring. Okay, okay, I gotta rest it. I gotta do, I gotta ice, I gotta do this, okay. I'm out, I gotta go. And then I gotta go. This is my plan. So to me, it wasn't about the why. And as I've gotten older too, you I'm way less concerned about what happens to you. I'm only concerned about my response. And and my response is like, okay, this is this is the reality. And the reality is I can't do anything. The reality is I'm in a halo, I'm in a neck brace, and I got a two-year period where I can't do much. So to me, why has never helped anything. Why's never solved the problem. Why's never uh now I think your why is important with whatever you pursue and whatever you do, but to say why me, um, that's not that's not really something that I've ever used too much throughout my life. And and if it does come up, then I try to get rid of it really, really quickly because I don't think it's it's of God.

SPEAKER_02 12:16

So so that's so that's 20 years ago when that happened. Is that, and we again we're hearing you with the benefit of hindsight, with the benefit of seeing it all play out.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

Is that which everything gets greater, you know, as you get older, everything gets better, right?

SPEAKER_02 12:26

I agree. But but but how did it was that really true? Like you're sitting in a halo. I mean, heck, even as I was reading the book, David, like I'm reading about your the draft, and I couldn't help but think, knowing what was coming and thinking about the draft order, there had to have been a moment where you thought, well, gosh, if the if the Rams would have taken me, I probably wouldn't have a broken neck right now. You know what I mean? Like you think about all the things that led up to that moment. So is that is that truly like even in the moment where you weren't just like, God, why, or even feeling like a little victim? I hate to say victimhood, but you know what I mean? Was that actually true in the moment?

SPEAKER_00 13:00

Yeah. Well, my I remember I'll never forget my wife. My wife was like, hey, you know, she's like, it's it's frustrating to me that Odell Thurman was our second round pick. My one of my teammates, freaking awesome, stud muffin. Um he gave it away with drugs. She was like, It's really frustrating that he gave it away and you got it taken away. And I'll never forget when she said that, and I was like, Yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it. Um But I I don't know, man. I I just I I did I could I can't control it. And I've never been one of those guys that are that are a warrior. Like I just I I kind of said, okay, like this is this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna chase football and I'm gonna try to recover. And if I can play, I wanna play. Like I want to continue to chase my dreams and continue to make that a reality if it's if it's if I can do it. But then I also I got still and I started to build my relationship with God. And I'm and I became very comfortable with the fact that like I don't know what God has for me next, but I know it's gonna be awesome. Like that I was very comfortable with. Like if if God gave me football, which was the most amazing thing that I've ever done, like I loved football with everything in me. I thought I was built for football. Like, I can't imagine what's next. And I know it's going to be great. So the the the the the control and the uncontrollables, I I couldn't do because I didn't have any say. And it's not like it's not like wrestling with God is going to change circumstances. I've learned that. I I know one thing, you can dislocate a hip and blow out a shoulder wrestling with God, but it ain't gonna get you nowhere, right? And to use the great Van Wilder, right? Like worrying's like a rocking chair, it'll give you something to do, but it won't get you nowhere. And I think to me it was about putting, you know, putting that scripture over and over again, reading my Bible over and over again and putting it in here, and then putting it in here, and it starts to come out of here, right? All throughout my day, all throughout my life. And then when those moments of, you know, when you those things that you might tend to worry about, like, what is what does God say about that? So God was developing my relationship with him, and I was developing a relationship with him, and it was very easy to lean not on my own understanding, but to lean on his. And I kind of knew that he he knows a lot better than me.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Yeah. Take us through that a little bit. You all of that happens, you've got a great mindset, you're moving forward. How quickly do you kind of transition into the broadcasting world? And for anybody that doesn't know, had a great run with college game day, but kind of speak to that a little bit. There's a big transition there.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Oh, it was a huge transition. Like you have that, you know, two-year period where you're trying to build yourself back up physically, um, figure out what you want to do. And I'll never forget, I was like, I called my agent, I was like, you know, I'm watching this dude on TV talk, and he's talking about X, Y, and Z. And I'm like, I'm watching Mike and Mike in the morning. I remember I was watching Mike and Mike in the morning. I was like, these dudes freaking rock. Like they're awesome. Like they're just kicking it, talking about sport. I was like, I think I could do that. Like I that looks like fun. And he was like, Did you do that in college? Did you study that in college? I was like, No. I was like, I didn't study that, but I was like, I think it would be kind of cool to do it. And he was like, Well, let me make a few calls. And um I think people naturally think, like, oh, you you started at the top, and they kind of forget the where you go and what you do in the grind you get to do it. But like, I also I started, so I move, we moved from Ohio to Atlanta, and I got a gig with 790 the zone in Atlanta where it was radio. And let me tell you something. If you think you're good at speaking or good at reading, I'm not. Okay. So I had to read and speak. Well, no, no, I'm saying in the beginning it was very hard. Like, there's a reason that my podcast is called Seaball Get Ball. Like, we're big, dumb animals. We play defense for a reason. The ball moves, you go get it. Like, right? It's that simple. And so to articulate your thoughts, and then guess what? Not just know about your team, know about everybody's team and everything that's going on. Like, I'll never forget. I was frustrated and I was like, man, I got so much to learn and so much I got to do. And I was like, okay, you're a freshman in high school again or college again. You're a freshman. And this is where the book comes in. This is where I never knew I did this until I got older. The book says, start where you are, use what you have, do what you can. When I got to the University of Georgia, man, I'll never forget. I go from fullback to defensive tackle, and I'm like, I'm getting all of these coaching points. Hey, man, fire off the ball with a short step, as quick as you can, as low as you can, get your hands inside, disengage violently, go find the football. Oh, sure. Anything else? Like, you got anything else? Because that was easy to process. Like, and I'll never forget, man. I told my GA, I was like, I was like, hey, Earl, I'm gonna get off the rock as fast as I can. I'm gonna get off the rock like a scalded dog, and I'm gonna take a short first step. But everything else, dude, I'm out on. I'm gonna try, and if I get it right, I'll get it right. But I'm gonna get the foundational piece of this down path. So I started where I was at and I used what I could, right? And do what, did what I can. I couldn't do it all. And so I think I took that into my next step too with broadcasting. It's like, all right, what do you want to be? Who do you want to be? And I'll never forget watching other guys in the space. I'm like, oh, okay, that they they do a good job of this, they do a good job of that. I don't, I don't like that. For example, Lou Holtz, God rest his soul. I know he just passed on, but I remember listening to Lou, and Lou was like, every time he talked about Arkansas or South Carolina or Notre Dame, every time he did, he picked him. Every single time he picked him, and every single time he did, I tuned him out. I was like, I'm not listening to him. So I literally said, I'm when I when I when I do this, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna tell you how great Georgia is every time I do this. Now, Georgia fans, they get pissed at me and they call me Benedict Darnold. I'm a traitor because God forbid I pick against him, right? But like I started to look around and see, you know, why was somebody good? But but moving to 790 the zone, I did SEC Gridiron Live in Atlanta from the late nights, and I'll never forget, I got a call because I was friends with Herb Street in Ohio, because I was with the Bengals, he lived in Ohio, and he was like, hey man, I was flipping through the channels and he was like, and I saw SEC Gridiron Live. I was like, really? And he was like, Yeah, and he was like, dude, you're pretty good. He was like, I like your passion, and and I like the way you you were all involved, you were engaged. And I was like, you know, what a lesson for everybody out there, though. Like, I'm doing this show, I'm getting paid nothing, but because I was doing this show, and because I was doing this show, I was there. Like, be where your feet are. Like the grass is green, it's where you water it. Where are you at? Like, win where you're at right now. I know you got big plans for the future, but we got to win today, making every day count, right? Like, so because I had the ability and I was doing that, like Kirk set me up with ESPN, and then you know, the rest is I'll never forget sitting down with an agent before I got on ESPN. He was like, hey man, what do you want to do? I said, why not college game day? And he was like, it's the best show on television. And I was like, Yeah, that'd be fun to be a part of that. He was like, that's the best show on television. You you just started this thing. And three years later, man, I'm on college game day. Like, and again, I had to go to ESPN U and screw up and figure it out and do some late night stuff and figure out who I was. But like, you know, don't let people tell you what you can and can't do because God can do amazing things if you'll trust and if you'll work. Like, you got to put in the work too.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

Man, I I I'm I'm curious in that the you know, you talked about something being where your feet are. That's something Chris says this all the time, and I love it. And we had an episode on stewardship, which is just asking that question, what's in my hand? That and again, that's where your feet are. What do I have right now to steward really, really well? And one of the principles that you talk about that I love that you break down in the book is that 50-40-10 principle. Will you break down 50-40-10 for us?

SPEAKER_00 20:41

Yeah, I I think it's I think it's really cool. It's applicable for business or any any area or any walk of your life. But like, think about how awesome this is. Whatever you're pursuing, whatever you're chasing. 50% of the people in this world, you can outwork. You can show up and outwork. So I like my odds, guys. I don't know how big of a numbers guy you are, but if I cut out half the field, I feel pretty good about the direction I'm going. So if I've left 50% behind, the next, the next is 40. Like 40% of people you can out-detail, you can out-organize. Like, so for example, when it comes to when it came to football, details of watching tape. How about the details of my body? Like what I put in my body, recovery, stretching, all those little things that add up to take me across the finish line. I mean, those are the things that you you can you can literally do because you're process driven. You're you're you're thinking about those things. You're making a conscious decision to what does it look like to be successful? What are those margins that I can gain? So now 50% of people I've left behind. The other 40%, I left 90% behind, and I ain't mentioned talent yet. I I haven't mentioned talent one time. Like now I got I'm now I'm I'm in the nitty gritty now, bro. I'm with the people that have worked hard that show up every day. I'm with the people that have been organized and detailed, motivated, passionate about what they do. You better be a freaking dog. Like, this is this is now I'm Terminator, man. Like I'm getting shot every day, but I'm moving forward. How do I handle adversity? How do I handle failure? Lessons, not losses, bro. Like, what can I take from this? Not being discouraged, not being, oh man, poor, poor, pitiful me. Like, I've done all of this, though. I've done all of this hard work and all this organization, and I should win. No bull crap. Why did you lose? What do I need to fix? Like, but you better dang sure be a dog and be willing to handle hard really, really well and that adversity really, really well. So, you know, that that's the 50, 40, 10 that I think anybody could take in any walk of life, whatever they're trying to be very successful at.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

That fires me up.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Hart's never heard that before. You like that, don't you, Hart? I like that. So good.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

Well, and you know, we talk great a little bit, and it's that whole idea talent plus effort equals skill. And then even when we're skilled, skill plus effort equals achievement.

unknown 23:11

Right?

SPEAKER_00 23:12

You know what I've found though? You know what I've found though, Hart? What people don't understand. And specifically, I think specifically the sport too, but but I think in life, here's the thing about that. I think effort is a talent.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

That's real good.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

I think effort 1,000% is a talent. I I look at all these kids and I and you break down all these tapes and you're doing all these things and projecting to the future, and all these guys continue to fall through the cracks because of a couple things. Because effort is a talent. Eyes are a talent, heart is a talent. Like those are things we do, these broads and verticals and all this stuff, and that's great. But like you can't measure the processor, you can't measure the engine, right? But like that effort and that heart, man, there's there is a lot of talent in that. That is a talent that you get to steward. You're talking about steward, right? Like I get to steward that. That is a great thing that God has given me that's placed in me. Don't, don't discount that. Like it, it's it's it's an awesome thing that some people, man, really, really get when they get it and they understand it. It's like, holy cow! Like they go to a nuclear level.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

So I want a question on that. By saying that effort is a talent, which I love, uh are you saying that it that's innate? Like, like that, like you either have it or you don't, that effort, or is that something you can develop?

SPEAKER_00 24:31

No, you 100% can develop it, but I do think I I do think that the talent of giving effort, you watch you y'all coach youth league sports and you've seen your kids compete. Like there, there are some kids that they get it. They get the level of effort, and most of them don't. Most of them have no clue. Most of them think they're trying really, really hard. And that's the hardest part of being a coach, honestly, is like they think they're giving their all, but they aren't. And and then there's some kids that fly around, it's everything's disconnected. And it's like, let's just go let this thing rip. Like, woo-hoo, no consequences. But but here's the thing if we take away fear of failure, what I found with kids, you take away that fear of failure, you'll you'll get better effort. Because a lot of times it's like, oh, uh, I don't want to mess up. And I don't, I don't want to mess up is not giving great effort. I don't want to mess up is not a is not a place to lead from strength or to go, to go uh win from strength. I don't want to mess up as a is coming from weakness. Like I'm gonna go get this as coming from strength. And so I think like just having that ability to take it away, but no, your effort, the the people around you dictate your effort. The people around you will hold you accountable with effort. But but effort is definitely something that you're you're gonna make a choice. Like you're gonna make a choice to activate that. Some people just have it at a higher level that can bring that every single day. And and it and by the way, it looks different, it smells different, it it lives different every day.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

I love that in the combine. Well, they'll say he's got a motor, right? This guy over here takes plays off. This guy's got a motor. That that's the effort as a talent, right? That and I think that's a cool point, Joey. Absolutely can be developed, cultivated, created, but need probably the right coach, the right people, the right atmosphere to kind of get that going. We got a whole lot of people that are okay with somebody's 80%. Nobody ever gets to 100%, so there's never actually an increase in the capacity.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

But that's what you do so great with coaching. That's why brave coaches are ridiculous insane. That's why I use Chris Hart. Like, is because there is, there is, there is effort inside of me, but a lot of times it's wasted effort and it's ADD effort. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, right, like all over the place, like squirrel, something shiny, right? But but like, okay, how do how do I get this alignment going in the right direction, right? Like if I want to be the best, the greatest three-point shooter on the planet, I might need to align towards the goal. It's a heck of an idea. Like, so to get that started, and another thing too, man, like how do you climb a mountain one step at a time? Yeah, got that. Get it, sure. Climb the mountain one step at a time. You know what happens too? A lot of times you get to the top of the mountain, you're like, oh crap, bro, I meant to climb that one. I'm I'm on I'm on the top of the wrong mountain, cuz. Wrong mountain, right? Like, so, but so that is obviously something that, yes, those people around you, man, and the accountability, if we can create that accountability, and every day counts too. Like, like my thing is, how do we create that scoreboard? Because here's another thing I know about Chris and Joey. If there's a winner and loser, oof, we're going to try to get that, right? And so creating a scoreboard in life of did I win, did I lose? Tangible ways to measure my life and my goals and what I'm trying to accomplish. Otherwise, it's like, ah, yeah, just kind of float through life. Everything's everything's peach, everything's peachy, we're good. Like, okay, well, uh it's kind of hard to get better when we don't know what we're trying to get better at. Right? Like, that's difficult.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

So good. Well, okay, so Dave, I'm I'm curious for for the I love when we talk grit, I love when we talk effort, and we talk about, we talk in in heroic terms, and this is a few times I brought this up, but when it comes to something like marriage, and all of a sudden you got a five and a three-year-old and a technic around your house and things are going crazy, and it doesn't feel as heroic, how do you apply that same level of grit, determination, scoreboard, all that mentality to something that's really hard to measure in a very thankless moment in season of life? Because a lot of people who are listening are probably in that season. Like, how do you apply everything you're talking about to those things that are not as glamorous like marriage or raising kids, especially when you're in kind of the wartime years of their young years?

SPEAKER_00 28:35

Well, I think it's it's it's pivotal to understand where the heck you're at. Like any relationship, like you're trying to bring somebody to faith, like I gotta understand where they're at. I gotta meet them where they're at. Like we're meeting our families, we're meeting our friends, people that we interact with. We gotta meet them where they're at. Like a five and a three-year-old is totally different. We're hurting cats, right? Like you're this is a totally different place. I got a 17, I got a soon-to-be 18-year-old and a 16-year-old in my house now. Like, my conversations are totally different. But let me tell you something. The one thing that is a non-negotiable no matter where you're at, is that that bride next to you is your number one.

SPEAKER_03 29:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

That is your number one relationship. And how you love her sets the tone, it sets the temperature in your household. Like, that is number one. How do you tangibly do that? The the my least favorite question that I can I can hear on this on this earth is that you'll ask your kids or your bride. This is my least favorite question. How are you doing? It's a it's a wasted question. How was your day? Here's what you're gonna get. Good. Good. You know what I love to ask my baby doll? What are you at a 10? What are you at a 10? Where are you at today? Where are you at on that scale, baby doll? Like, I I love that question, man, because it's it's it's putting a number on it. And let me tell you something. The last couple, last two years for us, there ain't there's been some bad ones. Okay, we've had some really bad days, but but like it's really awesome right now when I get an eight. I love getting an eight, baby. Like, I love that. I we rejoice, we celebrate an eight. Like, that is a great thing. But but I know where she is. But when it's a five, I gotta step my game up, man. I gotta do more. I gotta help more. I gotta support more. I gotta come beside her. And and the one thing I've realized in the last couple years just how freaking selfish I am. Like, that when you are the man of a household, you don't come first. You don't come second. Like, that's part of being a man. Your wife comes first, your kids come next. Like, you aren't you aren't the center of this universe. Like, you are the head of it. And there's some amazing research, by the way, like in how men and when they're leading their families properly, the difference they can make, man. Like when a kid comes to Christ, for example, 3% of the time their family will come to Christ. When a mom comes to Christ, 9% of the time their family will come to Christ. When a man comes to Christ, 93% of the time the family will come to Christ. You were born with an innate ability. You were born with a deeper voice. Your words matter more. Like, your words weigh more. That's just part of the deal, man. It weighs more than mom. It weighs more than other folks. Like, so how are we going to steward that where they are? It better start with mama. And then it starts with, listen, the behaviors and where kids are at when a five-year-old, a three-year-old, like, there's gonna be temper tantrums. There's gonna be all kinds of things that you don't like. That's fine. But let's also understand this is their first time living. This is their first time experiencing. When they experience frustration, how they let it out, well, it's a good thing we experience frustration. That's gonna be part of a lifelong journey of experiencing frustration. But like, I think setting the rhythms of your household is the most important thing. Understanding what we are as a family and making decisions before we make choices. That's one of my big things. And it's like make the decision of who we are, what we are, what our family is, what it stands for. Because then guess what? When the choices come up throughout the day, those are easy, man. Those aren't hard. I've already made the decision to be a virgin until I was married. I made that decision when I was younger. When temptation comes in, it's just an easy choice now. I've already made the decision. Alcohol is not a, is not a dis is not a it's not something that's gonna be in my life. Gambling is not gonna be something that's in my life. If I come into a situation where there's a little temptation, I've already made the decision. Now just make the choice. But the choice becomes so much easier. So I don't really know, Joey, if I answered your question, but I told too much.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

Here's what I know. I know that that that the low point of this interview was inner sandman. Like I thought that was the peak. And it just like that was the low point. Come on, DP.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

Bro, unreal. Well, think about this too. It's almost like there's an epidemic. You've got especially high-level guys, people getting after it, and and we go to work and you've you've created a position, if you will. And so now you've got a whole lot of people that are serving you all day, making sure you're taken care of, bringing you a coffee, how can I help you? And then we come home and there's a frustration because in instead of taking on the role of I am here to serve, my family, God first, everybody else second, I'm third. If we would take that, that's how the family works, but it's it's contrary to the rest of our lives because we've worked so hard to achieve things so that people wait on us, and then it's not the case when we come home. So that's the disconnect. But if we're taking, if we're doing exactly what you're saying, Paul, like where it's like, no, I am here to serve this house, it removes that we can actually function our role of authority as a leader in our home.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

Yeah, and it doesn't mean we'll be perfect at it. Like, and that that is a complete switch, right? If I go from being the boss or, you know, working all day and people are answering to me, like you've got to turn that part of your brain off, right? Like that, but that that driveway time and that ride home, like that's a good opportunity to be praying for this. And here's the thing how many of y'all come home exhausted from a hard day's work? All of us, right? Like, we've all come home exhausted. Like, but but but guess what? When we're there, we need to be there. Yeah, right. And that means setting the the temperature of your house when it comes to cell phones, when it comes to those different things and those different rhythms, like what you accept, but like I gotta turn all that off. I gotta really like I I might be Mr. College Game Day guy, and people might want pictures, and you might be a football, football player, and all that crap. You come home, your dad. Take the trash out. You come home, your dad, you're doing dishes, right? Like it and and and I think if if we can understand that sometimes, that that's sometimes why we feel like why why is there a disconnect at home or why does it not run smoothly? It's because of what you just said, man. It it's we've got to think about it that way. And we've got to take on that responsibility that might be a lot different than you do at work.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

Well, one thing I love about everything you're talking about here is what you just talked about basically was from from work to home, it's just a mindset shift. It's understanding again, starting where you are. But what you do, and you've described it in football, is you are constantly, can you simplify? Can you quantify? Simplify, quantify. So simplifying, here's my job at home. It's that simple. People may listening, may be like, oh, you don't know my marriage. I don't, but if you can simplify it to its most basic level, make it as simple as possible. And then to your point, I think that the reason why I love that one out of ten question, Chris, I've heard you ask that a bunch too, is that hey, let's just quantify exactly where it is because then I know what to do with it. So it doesn't, man, marriage marriage is hard, raising kids is hard and all that kind of stuff. But if you can simplify and then you can quantify, then you can then figure out, okay, what do I need to do next? Because that's the question. What do I do now with where my feet are planted?

SPEAKER_00 35:42

Yeah. And parenting is hard, man. Golly. 17 and 17 and 16 is a whole nother level of appreciation for parenting. That's for dang sure.

SPEAKER_02 35:51

Feel you.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Hey, let's go there for a minute. You you've got a unique perspective on being a sports parent. Can we go here a little bit? Like mindset before a game, the car ride after the game. There's a whole lot we could unpack here, but we've had some of these great conversations. Let's expose some of that. We've got unbelievable, it's this multi-billion dollar industry, travel sports, the whole thing, high expectations. I think my kid's a D1 prodigy. It's great. But give us a couple highlights, Paul. If you're if you're encouraging sports parents today, what are a couple things we need to think about?

SPEAKER_02 36:27

You probably don't have any take on this, do you, Dave? No, no take.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Um, you know, I I encourage sports. I think sports is awesome. I think it's great for every kid. I think it's good to be, I think it's good to be busy. Um, I just don't want that to compromise what my family projection looks like. And what does my heart really beat for? And what is the main focus of my family? Sport is awesome. I'm not denying sport is awesome. I'm just saying if it's because of it, it's because I think I have to do this and I have to do that. Like, you don't have to keep up with the Joneses. You don't have to play on a specific team. Like, you can choose what you fit into. For example, I'll never forget. Well, actually, I'll just use current. My baby girl's 15. She just turned 16. Last year she played on a national travel ball team. It was awesome. It was great. My wife, and we were dealing with her health stuff, so we weren't traveling much and she was going, she was traveling a good bit. This year, we're like, hey, baby girl, we're not traveling all over the place again. Like you did that, and you got to do that, which was awesome, but you had a ride from your teammate who played in the organization. And so that's why we kind of did it and let you do it. You know, that we're we're we're not gonna be that. We're we're gonna be at home. And and guess what? This year, this is about Nicholas's sports. Nicholas is about to be a senior, and he's gonna go on visits, and we're gonna go. Like, this is what we're gonna do. He's gonna be the priority. And, you know, I just see a lot of sports where these kids are young, man, and we're going, we're doing all summer sports, and we're like two ships passing in the night with families and parents, and we're we're breaking up from our family all the time and you're dividing and conquering. And and I get it, sport is awesome, but it can't be that every day of the week. It can't be that five days of the week, man. Like we've got to have we're addicted to busyness, we're addicted to noise. If you need proof, when you come home from a busy day of work, what do you do? You come home and you turn on the television. I need to be entertained, or I scroll in my phone. Like, I love busyness, I love noise, and I just get so accustomed to it. And we got to set the rhythms of our family. We got to set who we want to become. And and if you're if you if your kid is a good athlete, that's awesome. That's great. Like, but we can still stay close to home and play up a few grades if that's really important to you. Like, we don't have to travel the world. Just because you're traveling the world doesn't guarantee anything. And here's the here's the the last thing. When I got to Georgia, Chris, I was not the best athlete. I was not the tallest, I was not the strongest. I really wasn't the anythingist. I really wasn't. But you know what? My family, when I grew up, man, we played sports. I rode my bike, I went through the neighborhood. I never had a personal trainer, I didn't have a personal coach. When I got to Georgia, I was like, man, football's a lot of fun. And I'll never forget, like, we got to go work out the weight room. We got to go crush weights and run around. I was like, this is pretty awesome. And I had so many of my teammates that were like, dude, this sucks. I've been doing this for like 12 years now. I'm so tired of lifting and grinding. And I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, I didn't do any of that. Like, we had to work out on a board at Shallow High School. And if you had time to come in in the summer, you could come in. Literally. We had it on a board. And God gave me big legs and booty and a chip on my shoulder and you know, a spirit of competitiveness. Like, that's why I made it to where I made it. Um But I think a lot of parents think that we have to be in a certain system, we have to do a certain thing to get them to the next level. I I I can serve this really, really quickly and I'll shut up. Come on. Here's here's the kids that are best when they're young, the aggressive ones. Here's the kids that are best in middle school, who has hair under their arms. Okay. And here's who's the best in high school who's at puberty. Or I'm sorry, who's at puberty in middle school? Here's how we can decide who the best is in high school: genetics. Like Nicholas Pollack is 6'3, 225 pounds, he's got a 39-inch vertical, he's got a broad jump of X, Y, and Z. Like, he's getting recruited by colleges. That's why he's getting recruited by colleges. Nicholas Pollock went to one camp in his life. We never spent our summers at camps, like going and chasing, going and doing. We played football at the school. Like we made the workouts when we could, but if we want to go on a family trip and go make memories and experiences, absolutely. Nicholas, when he was playing travel basketball when he was little, we practiced in our gym. Hart's been in our gym and played in our gym. We practiced in our gym and Nicholas went to church. Because church is a non-negotiable in our house. Now listen, let me be very, very clear about that. When I say that, will we miss church? Very, very infrequently. But we are going to be, I love when I get to tell baby girl, and I've done it twice this year in both tournaments. I'm like, baby girl, listen, I know you love basketball, but it's Sunday. What does our family do on Sunday? We go to church. Exactly right. Like, I there's no greater gift than I can give her is to tell her, like, baby, this is God's day. And if we can make basketball fit in this, I'm all for it now. Like, we're gonna go. We'll we'll fly from church and we'll go fast. But how are we gonna start? We go, we're gonna start our week in the best way we know how. And all that is is serving the king. That's how we know that that's the best we can do. And and and I love it, Chris, because I even gave and Joey, I gave Baby Girl a choice a couple weeks ago. I was like, baby, we've been to church consistently. I was like, if you want to go to this tournament and play, I was like, you can you can miss church. And she was like, church is more important. Wow. And I'm like, let's get weird. That is fantastic. I loved hearing that from a from a 16-year-old who wants to play college basketball and wants to go be great at her sport. There's no there's no greater gift I can give her.

SPEAKER_02 42:08

Let me one but I'm not gonna push back on church because I love that, but let me push back on a little bit, just a little bit. This is just playing a little devil's advocate because I am a line that you hear.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

But dude, you can always push back. That doesn't bother me.

SPEAKER_02 42:19

The the question is earlier you said 50% is outwork. So for and so I want to help. This is actually for the listener who's trying to reconcile those two things, which is you were innately genetically gifted, and so you didn't necessarily have to outwork growing up. So, what about the kids out there who are saying, like, whose kids are pushing them or parents are pushing them, or they actually want to be like, man, I want to play a bunch of sports, I want to grind. How do you reconcile that idea of what you just said, which was you got the genetic, are you were you genetically gifted or not in high school versus the fact that you have to 50% of the game is outworking? If that does that question make sense?

SPEAKER_00 42:56

It's a it's a great question because where is the line, right? Like you want your kids to be successful, you want them to grind, but it's also our job to create boundaries. So here's the thing: that age ain't eight, that age ain't nine, that age ain't 10, that age ain't 11, that age ain't 12, that age ain't 15, for gosh sakes. They don't know what they want. My least favorite thing that I'll when I talk to parents about some of this stuff is they'll be like, but my kid really, really wants it. They they have that innate desire. And I'm like, that's awesome, that's cool. Uh uh, for example, I'll never forget, Joey. My son came to me as a sophomore in high school when he was like, Dad, I think I can do this. I was like, You think you can do what? I think I can play in the SEC. Like, I think I can play at Georgia. I was like, awesome, that's pretty cool, bro. That's that's dirty. And he was like, Will you train me? Will you be my coach? Will you be my trainer? Will you? I said, buddy, I love you with everything in you. I said, I love you with all my heart, with everything in me. I said, absolutely not. I said, because I want to be dad. I don't want to be your trainer. I don't want to be your driving force in sport. I want to have conversations about Jesus. I want to have conversations about your girlfriends. I want to have conversations about the other stuff. Here's the thing. We're making sport the main thing, the driving force, the numero uno all the time. We're always going, doing. We're creating an environment of, how about this? This is the craziest thing I've ever seen. And again, this was from experience in our household, playing multiple sports at a time. Why? Why do we do it? Why do we allow our we did it one year? We did basketball, travel basketball, and baseball. And it was the stupidest decision we ever made for our family because we're deciding to go all over the place to make ourselves busy. Bro, we're gonna be okay. You should play multiple sports year-round. I'm good with that. Like let your kids experience all the different things. Joey, there'll be a time when it's grind season. It's not at eight. It's not at nine. It's not at 10. It's not in freshman year of high school. It's not sophomore year of high school. I think when you get to be a junior in high school, you start to realize a little bit about who you are, about what you are. My son always told me, I want to be a hooper. I'm gonna be a basketball player. I want to play in the NBA. Cool. We play basketball. That's fine. We also played football. When you're only 6'3, but you're 225, it's a good deal. It works out really well for football. Like, but if we made the choice to play basketball year-round when he was seven years old, he would have never had a chance to play football. Like, I think that I think that's the part where it's when it's so young, it's not a grind when we're young, man. It's fun. F-U-N. It's fun. It's something you do. It's not who you are. It can't be everything. It can't be the only thing that we're always pursuing, always doing, or else our family doesn't have fun or we don't have direction.

SPEAKER_02 45:45

I I will just for someone listening to this, uh David, you there's not been an individual in my life who has spoken more life in this subject for me. I remember calling you multiple times and saying, We have some great combos. Some great ones. I I was I remember I was standing in Boston talking to you. I walked by that a couple weeks ago when we were there, and it just it sparked back that memory. And I actually think that those conversations have preserved my son's and my relationship. I really do. I was at a point, I believe, where I could have gone way the other way, and my son could have been, he could have been the greatest tennis player in Knoxville, but he also wouldn't have a relationship with his dad. And I decided at that point I'm just gonna I'm gonna dial it back. And now here we are, he's gonna be a senior. He's leaning towards not playing tennis in college, which I'm so excited about for him to make that decision on his own. And guess what? He doesn't hate his dad, right? Amen. And so I'm I'm just telling you again, back to simplifying. Simplify, simplify, simplify. I know people don't like this feeling when we talk about kids' sports. I know you had a you had a post on polarizing. You had a post on Twitter the other day. It got massive engagement. You just said, hey, keep your summers as a family. Like some non-I mean, like people went nuts on that, but this will preserve the most important thing. So I'm I am this is this is me saying thank you because I think.

SPEAKER_00 47:03

Well, you welcome, but the only way, man, here's here's the thing that's really, really hard. Like, true wisdom is is when you can learn from someone else's mistakes. And that's why I speak up about this because I did it wrong. Like I did it wrong for a number of years. I remember when my son was nine years old. Like, I literally remember the exact moment when we went and played football against a crosstown team to challenge ourselves because I wanted to go prove a point that we were really, really good. We got beat down and the whole car ride home, an hour and a half home, I didn't say a word. And my wife was like, You made the car ride miserable. I'm like, Baby doll, I didn't say a word. And she was like, Exactly. And she was like, you know what Nicholas wanted? Nicholas wanted frozen yogurt on the way home because we don't do ice cream in our house. He wanted frozen yogurt. But like, and it was just a it was just an aha moment. But like, you know, the the we're we're gonna have a relationship with our kids hopefully well beyond. The the truth of the matter is, man, I've seen it way more. I I've seen at a 90% clip with the kids that we've grown up with that if they've put so much into this, man, when they get to high school, they quit. They don't even care. And you and you've spent all this time building, pursuing, let's go get private lessons, let's go chase this, let's go chase this. And you literally are gonna look back and be like, I wasted so much time. So much time on something that really doesn't matter. So let's do the best we can about building family memories, like being together as much as possible, building character, getting our butt in church. Like, I'm not saying not to play sports, and neither is Joey. Nobody is, but like to have a perspective of sports is something that we get to play. It's awesome. It's just not everything. And our schedule is not gonna revolve around every single activity. And guess what? My daughter's a really good basketball player, and she's gonna go play college basketball. It didn't, it's not gonna change her journey, the fact that I was late to games or that we didn't go to tournaments. Like, that's not and guess what? When you're when your kid's pretty good, or when your kids got a good team and a good leader, they're gonna be okay with it. I remember forget last year with her national team. Like, I was like, hey, you know, you said to be here at X. I was like, we're gonna be at church. So like, and we were in South Carolina, but guess what? We found a church. There's a lot of churches in South Carolina, there's a lot of churches across the country that we can go and still we can be in God's house on a Sunday, even though we went out of town.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

Unbelievable. Let's do this. I'm gonna ask you two questions, and this is this is how we'll close it out, okay? The first one's gonna be big and wide open. Okay, that this is the we're gonna go to the the depths of David Pollock's mind, and it's simply gonna be this.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

Scary place.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

Hey, hey, we we've been in there a little bit, okay. I I you can get lost there, you can have a good time in there. It's all your bone.

SPEAKER_02 49:51

It's like Willie Wonka's chocolate factory. Oh, it's wild. It's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 49:55

Blue floating people and the whole thing. But so here's the deal: you get to you get to say something to America. It's your spotlight, and it's a 30-second challenge, Pollock. There, there's no stipulation on the direction. This is David Pollock Raw, and you're gonna challenge America with something. Where are you taking it?

SPEAKER_00 50:17

Shoot your shot, man. Like, don't don't wait till it's perfect. Don't wait till you've you've dotted every single eye and crossed every T, man. Like, go and do and watch what God does. God will come beside you and He will crystallize every journey that you go down, and you'll figure out where you're supposed to be. But you can't walk on water if you don't get out of the boat, right? Like, you gots to get out of the boat. You've got to go. Faith is active, it's living, it's breathing. Like, you've got to do the work to go with it. So don't be worried about everything being perfect, man, and that gun always being cocked and loaded in the right direction. It's it's never going to be. It's never going to be. It's going to be full of failure. Like, continue to use that failure and fail forward.

SPEAKER_01 51:01

Crushed it. I think that was right at 30 seconds, too. That we can we can check that, but that was perfect.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

And then number two. That's the biggest shocker that I could do something in 30 seconds. All that being said, the way that we finish every episode, we're going to live this brave and big life. Okay. But it starts with a small step. If you want to take that and get it, but what would you tell the people? What's the small step? If you're going to put in a seven-day incremental, this is what I'm doing right now. Here's my next step to this great life. What do you have for them?

SPEAKER_00 51:32

Well, I think you got to let's let's figure out what those important things are for you. I talked about making decisions over choices. Like, what are the things you really, really want to stand for? What are the things that are most important to you? And let's do this for the next seven days. Let's text ourselves before we go to bed. Three non-negotiables, three things like, bro, we are going to do. Not if, when. We're going to do them tomorrow. And one thing I learned from Chris Hart, if you're selfish in the morning, you can be selfless the rest of the day, right? Like you've got to do it early because there's always circumstances. The world's coming, okay? Busyness is coming. Let's get those three things done. It doesn't have to be uh, it doesn't have to be work-driven. It can be family driven. Like I, you know, my daughter is a physical touch girl. It's very weird now at 16 with my daughter. It was much easier when I was younger. But just putting down a goal is like, hey, I'm gonna accomplish her physical touch love language today by just coming beside her a couple of times and wrapping my arm around her and telling her I'm proud of her. Right? Like that, that's an easy step, an easy goal. A conversation that needs to be had with somebody, like for work, uh something that needs to be drawn up. Like, make those small little goals. Create the scoreboard. Because then when you go to bed the next night, I took an L or I got a W, and that needs to matter.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

David, I'll tell you this, man, and for anybody listening, there's just the world needs your voice. And so when for people who are listening and you're playing in a men's conference, David Pollock needs to speak at it. Hey, for those of you who are looking for a great book, I got it right here. Go buy this book. Every day counts. It is fantastic. The juice that you bring, man, people need it. Because what it does, I even feel it in myself. Like it infuses confidence that it's possible. So all of a sudden I think I'm working at 100, but I'm gonna really be working at 60, and now I can push it to 70. And I just want to encourage you, bro. Like, one, and another thing, C-ball, get ball is by far the best sports podcast out there. I love college football. I appreciate that, bro. I'm not it, I'm not like a deep X's and O's guy. But man, I'm telling you, I learned something every time. You can't you're pretty favorable to my Sooners, which I kind of like. Maybe you like BV, but like I mean, they're pretty good. They're pretty solid. That helps. But bro, like you you break it down. So I'm just telling you, for everybody listening, please consume every bit of David Pollack content you can because this is the voice I want to hear. This is the voice that I want to challenge me to bring life, to speak life. If you can get him to speak, please do all that stuff. So, all of that said, where if people if someone's saying, like, bro, I want I want David to come speak, I want to buy the book, like where can people go? We'll put this in the show notes too. But like, how can people make sure that they're staying connected to your voice and can get you at their events?

SPEAKER_00 54:15

First of all, thank you very much um for the kind words. The worst part ever is always, hey, go to davidpollock.com. Like, isn't that the word? That's the lamest thing on the planet. But like that, that's that's where that's where you can go.

SPEAKER_02 54:27

You gotta lock down big dog.com. That's what you need to do.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

Maybe maybe that's a better one. That's better.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

Yeah, we'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_00 54:33

They told me they were like, you need to attach your name to it. I'm like, yeah. Like, do we have to? Like it's not, it feels very bad when you have to say that. But you and then you can get the book anywhere you get books. But uh, davidpollock.com, you can see all the stuff we're going on, and you can see the seatball skip ball set. Like it's right here behind us. It's uh it's fantastic. So hey, it's it's uh we need I need to I actually need to text BV in Oklahoma and tell them, like, hey, we put helmets up that are behind here. So come on. You send a helmet, they go right there on that wall.

unknown 55:01

Come on, man.

SPEAKER_01 55:01

Pollock, we love you. We're proud of you. You are a great voice. You're a great dad, great husband. Let's do this again soon. But man, we got your back.

SPEAKER_00 55:11

Well, thank y'all. Thank y'all because y'all have absolutely been a part of my journey, my story, um, getting me to exactly where we're at, because you know as good as well as I do. It it ain't one person that's gonna get you there. Like it Jesus could have done it by himself. He chose to do it with 12, right? Like we need men in our lives that are gonna poke us, prod us, challenge us. Like they're gonna help us become the best version of ourselves. So thank y'all for being some of those men in my life.

SPEAKER_02 55:37

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