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Doing Less, Letting Go, and Changing Your Life - Kyle Bramley & Dustin Drewes
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In this episode, we get into identity, habits, emotional patterns, feminine energy, business, faith, discipline, and what it really looks like to change without constantly fighting yourself.
If you’ve been feeling like you’re doing “all the right things” but life still feels harder than it should, this episode is for you.
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00:00 — Why I Thought I Needed More Discipline
05:48 — The Hidden Reason Life Felt So Hard
12:35 — When Trying Harder Stops Working
19:42 — The Identity Shift That Changed Things
27:10 — Why Willpower Was Never the Real Answer
34:25 — Building a Life That Supports You
42:18 — Feminine Energy, Faith, and Letting Go of Force
50:06 — The Pattern I Had to Break
58:20 — What Actually Made Life Feel Easier
1:04:12 — Final Thoughts
Hey guys, before we get started, I've got a quick favor to ask. I need you to like, subscribe, and share this podcast if you feel you're getting value from it. That's how we're going to get these conversations in front of more people. And just as important, if not more important, is your feedback, the good, the bad, the ugly. I want the critical information on how we can make this podcast better for you and deliver value every time. And if you know somebody in Louisiana who's doing big things in their field, industry, or business, please drop their name in the comments. We'd love to have the opportunity to bring them on the show. At the end of the day, this is all about the youth of Louisiana and putting local leaders in front of them and giving them something real to learn from. Now let's get it. What's up, everybody? It's your host for the For-Profit Podcast, Matthew Pierce, and I am delighted to have these two guests of honor here today. They were an integral part of my Iron Man journey in 2024. They've become close friends. I cannot sing their praises enough. I have the pleasure of introducing Mr. Kyle Bramley, physical therapist at Auctioner Elite off of Burbank. And my main man, Mr. Dustin Drews of Deviate Fitness and Physical Therapy out of Ponchatula. So we're going to get into a little bit of these guys' backgrounds, who they are, where they're from, what motivates them, and why it is they do what they do. So why don't you start things off, Kyle? Introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about where you come from.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I don't know how far back you want to go or how you want to spin this tail, but uh I'm Kyle Bramley. I'm a physical therapist, like Matt said. Um I think kind of my journey to the point that I'm at right now started probably in high school. I think as a junior high kid, I or what right before I got into high school, I wanted to be a runner, but I wasn't very fast. And so I tried it for the track team. I got on as kind of a backup kid, so I ran odds and ends type of stuff, and I tried track as a freshman in high school, wasn't super successful. The one race I ran, I uh I came in like third to last place, and that was pretty much my sign that like, okay, I need to figure out something else. So in high school, I did odds and ends. Uh I was more into music, actually. I was a band kid and um I was pretty competitive with that. And I and I really uh tried to do well with that. But then later on in high school, I got interested in running again, and we talked about uh Dustin's barefoot shoes. Uh I I really got interested in kind of barefoot running, minimalist running, things like this. And with that, can't there's kind of a sports science side to that that I got really interested in. And in college, when I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do in my career, I just kept going back to this. I mean, I was obsessed with really I was obsessed with shoes, I was obsessed with running. I got into some trail running, some ultra running, all this type of stuff. And I decided that like, hey, if this is something that I'm really this interested in, I should probably consider making this my career. And then fast forward, I, you know, got my degree in biology from LSU. I applied at graduate school at LSU and I got into LSU New Orleans um for PT school, did my training there, and then you know, over the course of the past seven years I've been a PT, my career's taken me here and there and everywhere. And I'm at this point, I'm fortunate. I work at a uh great facility where I can really uh lean into my practice and make my practice what I want it to be. Uh, I'm fortunate now I worked with LSU's track team as one of their team PTs, which has been a really cool experience. Um, I help with some education stuff at Oshner. We have a residency for sports and orthopedic residents that I'm faculty for. So, anyways, uh there's there's a lot in there. It's been a wild ride, but I'm I'm very fortunate to be where I'm at right now.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01Now follow that up, Mr. Dustin Drews. It's very hard to follow. Uh I have a somewhat similar uh story as Kyle, uh, as far as getting inspired early. Um out of high school, I was headed to LSU and got my first road bike and kind of you know, through the internet, just kind of discovered that there are all these uh cycling clubs and and and local bike races. I didn't even know that, you know, bike races were even a thing, you know, besides such a tour the tour. Uh so what? Tour the Tour de France.
SPEAKER_03Tour de France.
SPEAKER_01Uh so so within like a couple weeks of getting my first road bike, like before I was headed to college, I signed up for a bike race without knowing anything about bike racing whatsoever.
SPEAKER_03Like and you were a traditional athlete in high school. You played some.
SPEAKER_01So I played football, I ran track and field, uh, I did more sprint work in in track. Oh, no way. Um, so I don't I didn't have a background in endurance at that point. Yeah. Uh so my first race, I was, you know, 18 at the time. So they put me with the juniors, like these little 14-year-olds and 13-year-olds, and the women. Uh, and say, you know, it was a field of maybe like 30, and we take off, it's a 32-mile race. I'm dropped within five miles, you know. And and those of you who don't know what dropped is, that means you cannot hang with the big. I could not hang. I could not hang with the women and juniors. Yeah. Uh and uh rode the whole rest of that race by myself. Uh, but I finished uh and as as terribly as that went, uh, I was super inspired and and from that moment knew that this is the sport that I had been waiting for my whole life. Um and from there, you know, I went to LSU, uh, got with a couple guys there that was all were also interested in cycling. We started a cycling team. So we got a big group, like 20, 25 riders together.
SPEAKER_03Uh we started what year was this at LSU?
SPEAKER_01This was 2009.
SPEAKER_03And so they had not had a club cycling team.
SPEAKER_01There was no cycling team.
SPEAKER_03Literally formed.
SPEAKER_01We kind of they had a trathlon team, and we started hanging out with the traffices because you could find people that were riding bikes. And then eventually, enough of us were on the trathlon team and figured out like we don't actually want to do trathlon, we just want to ride bikes with people. So we formed our own team out of that. Uh, and then collegiate cycling is a thing. So there's competition that we were traveling to, like we were traveling to Austin, we were traveling to college station, go race at Texas AM. So we were doing collegiate uh bike racing at that time. Um, so anyway, so the other part of that is I was uh studying kinesiology at the same time at LSU and studying exercise science. So a lot of things just kind of started coming together for me because I was getting into this endurance sport, just kind of learning the hard way, you know, about nutrition and recovery and training load and all this stuff. Uh and then I was learning exercise science at the same time, and I was directly applying a lot of that stuff to the sport that I was, you know, kind of starting to uh really have a love for. Uh so anyway, so so I got to ended up, you know, finishing my bachelor's in kinesiology. I stayed for a master's in exercise physiology. Around that time, I started coaching cycling and coaching endurance sports. Uh, and then that's also when I started working with Will Jones with Fourth Dimension Fitness as a mentor who was already kind of in that space as an endurance uh sport coach and then also, you know, a really high-level strength and conditioning coach that had worked with LSU football. Yeah. Um, and you know, he kind of took me under his wing. Uh, actually did an internship with him for school credit, uh, started coaching my own athletes, uh, and just kind of started learning more about how that could be formed into a career that's maybe a little non-traditional. Um, and then started kind of doing that and teaching uh out of school, and then eventually went back to school for physical therapy. So I'm a physical therapist as well now, and um, nowadays I kind of do a little bit of everything. So uh the company that I started, Deviate, is uh provides physical therapy and coaching and bike fitting and run analysis. So now what I do is uh with Deviate, I just find all kinds of ways to support endurance athletes, either from a performance standpoint or uh or rehab. Um and then I'm still very much an active traffic and cyclist still today.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I definitely I you know I'd mentioned it earlier. You definitely practice what you preach. When I was seeking out someone to take me on this journey, on this ride of, you know, attempting an Iron Man, a full Iron Man, right? You know, uh you got to finish the race to become an Iron Man. Um I needed a guide. I needed somebody who had done and gone it before me. Um, I wanted somebody who was high level, um, somebody who had experience, not just you know, someone who looked apart, but you know, walked it, talked it, everything. And um, I think I found you through the Iron Man website. For some reason, I couldn't contact you. The I tried multiple times to get your email from the website, and I said, this guy's gotta be on social media. If he's doing this stuff, he's gotta have a following. And um, I remember talking to you around Thanksgiving of 2023 to see if it was possible. Um, and then that's kind of where we hit things off, and I decided, hey, this is gonna be the guy for me to guide me along this journey. Um, and Kyle, I mean, I've known you since my hip rehab, since that surgery back in 2019. I think I met you through rehab uh with uh Patrick Cook.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03It was Patrick Cook back at uh the other place, we'll call it. Yeah, um, the other rehab place. Um no longer there, we're at Oxner, that's where we go. Um, but it was during that time where I was looking to get back into athletics. I'm a part of a you know a club here in Baton Rouge, Baton Rouge Ancient Athletes. Um, I was not able to return to my sport uh with the level of fitness that I had expected that the um surgeon had led me to believe I would be able to obtain. And then when I found you guys, Dr. Cook and yourself and my boy Luke, um, you know, that that was that was history, you know, back in 2020.
SPEAKER_02Can I just say the first memory I have of Matt Pierce was Matt Pierce laying on a table, sweating like a dog. I think it was either Patrick or it was Marissa just aced him in the heck out of your calves. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yes. You remember that? I do remember that with the metal tool, my Achilles like because we were working on like ankle flexibility, dorsiflexion, and all that stuff.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Attacking it from like every angle. I was doing the hip mobe with the bands on the front of the ankle, trying to loosen up the Achilles to you know get that knee farther over the toe. Yeah, that's it.
SPEAKER_02I'm sorry to say we're still fighting that battle today.
SPEAKER_03I was in PT the other day, and he's like, uh, this girl who's an understudy is um she's a student, yeah. She's a student. So uh so he's like, yeah, check his ankles. His ankles are stiff, his his ankles are usually stiff. Never mind, they're always stiff. So uh no, I want to get into I want to kind of go back to each of you like early, early on. I know you said you had participated in high school track, um and then you became obsessed with the the barefoot running and um the physiology of it all. Um where what other things have like have you been obsessed with? Like, what is it about physical therapy, the body, the anatomy, and and figuring out how it all works together? Like, why do you think that hit for you?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's a really interesting question. Um, I don't know if I 100% know the answer to that. I think it's probably a crossroads of a lot of different things. Um just to talk about obsession in general, I think if I think back to when I was a kid, and even today, like maybe this is common for everyone, or maybe it's a unique thing, but if I latch my teeth into some kind of hobby or some kind of like I'm looking into something, or you know, even when it comes to just like trying to buy something on Amazon, I'm like reading all the reviews to make sure that I like, you know, I go into like some kind of savant mode with that type of stuff. But I think so I think there's a level of when I latch into certain things, I really focus on it. And the the cool thing about the barefoot running was I think I've always been interested by the more technical side of scientific things and figuring things out. And so I thought I wanted to be an engineer, and that's where I started school at LSU was as an engineering student. And just something about the process of engineering. We had this class that I just really hated the class. We were collaborating with other students. The the class was a really we were making, we were doing a cool project working on building a playground for uh this this or designing a playground for this school. But for one reason or another, the class was just miserable, and I really didn't like that. But to get back to the barefoot running thing is like there's this technical side that that brings. There's you know, I just like the shoes. I like to try the different shoes and try to learn like what was the best shoe for whatever reason, why was this one better than the other ones? And then you layer in. Um, I always I was kind of I wasn't a good runner for a long time, but I I some of my earliest memories of running. I uh one of my aunts, my aunt Dawn.
SPEAKER_03This is a guy who at 30 years old just ran sub five in a mile.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, yeah, I'm faster and much faster now than I was in high school. So for some reason, I think maybe I just might have finished puberty or something like that. Tendon stiffness. Yeah, tendon stiffness. Okay, yeah, that's that's probably he knows the answer. Well, anyways, um the so in high school I I wasn't a good runner, but I remember there I had opportunities uh uh occasionally to go go out and go run, and you know, in Boy Scouts we had to run a mile for like a physical fitness test, and I always felt like I liked that if I just worked hard, I could you know, just work through the the pain and kind of beat everyone else, and that really felt good. And so I always liked the idea of like if I just work hard enough, I can run this fast, I can get better, I can improve, and I can do all this type of stuff.
SPEAKER_03So you've definitely taken that to your practice and in how you go about that improvement with your I mean continued education.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, honestly, I do think that uh a big component of just my arc has been somewhat of you know, some kind of competitiveness and trying to keep up with the Joneses and not trying to be outpaced and all that type of stuff. And maybe it's unhealthy, maybe it's healthy, it's fun.
SPEAKER_03I mean, I will say it it helps me with my recovery, rehab, prehab. Yeah, prepared for races.
SPEAKER_02I think uh uh I look at my my life today and and I these days I try to work out every day that I can, and it's not seven days a week, but usually, you know, it's it's at least most of the days out of the week. And I and I will say that a big part of that, not to make your head any bigger than it is, Matt, is uh I had Matt Pierce on the table talking about training for an Iron Man, talking about all these workouts he's doing and all this type of stuff. And he was showing me some of his runs, his happy's 5K's. He's dropping, you know, seven whatever miles at the Happy's 5K. And I'm like, shoot, I don't know if I can still run that fast. And I was like, hold on, let me let me go uh let me go try to run some 5K's and see if I can still run that fast.
SPEAKER_03We definitely pushed each other during that year. I I mean you were a big part of helping, you know. I was explaining to Dustin where early on in my training, I had some weight on me, and we couldn't figure out like why I was having certain hip pains. I mean, he couldn't be with me all the time living in Ponchatula. Um, and we discovered through talking with you, it was like a cadence issue and and uh the contact, ground contact time and and staying too long in that step and too much pounding. Um, and it was because of your background with the uh the ultra running, like you were able to give me the insight, you know, um, and it was unique. I mean, I don't think any other physical therapist would have been able to give me that insight because they hadn't had that experience. Um and I know you love the data that I was providing from those workouts, and so I'm I'm just glad it led you to running a sub five at 30 years old. Like, God dang, dude, that's cooking. For those of you who don't know, go out and try to run less than a six-minute mile. You you can't.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, that's really impressive.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so so Dustin, so um, I know you you talked about you found cycling through LSU, signed up for a race, whatever. Um just baptism by fire. Um what I want to I want to go back to Will Jones because somebody we both know. Talk about the things that you learned during that time working with him and working with athletes.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, if I go back to that time, um, kind of when I was doing the internship with 4D and I still work with 4D, um you know, I I'm someone that has always been driven by um exploration. And you know, I was kind of I was kind of one of those kids in school where like I never really had to study that much, you know. Um I I I admittedly did not have a really good work ethic at that time. And you know, Will is someone who comes from, you know, LSU football and discipline and really, really, you know, high work ethic and just you know the He was a college football player, I'm saying Western. You know, so I mean that was something that I uh I guess drew me to him, um, which was you know, one, people being in spaces that you want to be in, but then also someone who carries traits that you you know it's something that you're trying to work on, you're trying to uh uh aspire to. Uh so you know, I'd say like that's probably number one at the top of like what I learned from him is you know the value of of discipline and the things that you can achieve if you if you have self-discipline. And you know, uh nobody's gonna wake you up in the morning and tell you go do your workout, you know. And Will was coaching me for the time. I mean, I I don't think I did a workout that Will gave me like first two years that he coached me. I, you know, and and and we would we would get into it, you know, for not doing my workouts. Um and eventually I, you know, started improving in my self-discipline, started doing my workouts, and you know, lo and behold, I got better. Like, imagine that, you know. Uh and you know, discipline is something that I've continued to work on. I'm not just naturally don't want to work hard. I mean, if Kyle over here is, you know, I just want to outwork everybody and work harder, you know. Uh my mantra, my my mantra is more like work smarter, right?
SPEAKER_03I'm saying I'm like to work. Justin hopes his natural talent will get him across the finish line. That's right. If if if the camera could zoom in on his calves right now, this dude has superhero calves and his work ethic, he does not deserve them. But that's right. He has he has work ethic. I mean, you just come off of a um Iron Man World Championship 70.3. So he works hard.
SPEAKER_01I I have had to I've had to work hard to learn how to work hard, if that makes sense. Yeah right uh over the last 20 years. And I'm proud of where I've come, but then you know, it's still every single day it is a struggle to, you know, be disciplined and and do what I need to do. When there's nobody right on top of me telling me, hey, you gotta go do all these things. Um, but you know, a big part of cycling and kind of what motivates me with with cycling is you kind of get this work smarter, not harder, because cycling is is is a sport, bike racing is a sport of efficiency. Efficiency and laziness. Lots per kilo. Lots per kilo. The guy, it's most of the time it's it the person who does the least amount of work in the race is the one who's gonna win. Yeah, you know, in in running and trathlon, there's kind of a one-to-one relationship between the person putting out the most power and doing the most work out on course is probably gonna be the person who's gonna win or is gonna finish up there. Cycling is not like that. Cycling is a chess match on wheels where it's equal sides uh fitness uh and strategy. And what drew me into cycling was I could, you know, strategically position myself to not have to train as hard and still get really good res results or win. And, you know, that got me pretty far and it was really enjoyable. But then eventually I got to a point where I hit this just ceiling where I just stopped getting better. And and again, this is around the time I kind of started working with Will and started listening to him more. Uh you know, implementing discipline and doing my workouts. Well, now I I knew the strategy side of cycling, and then my fitness greatly improved once I started training better and being more disciplined. So um yeah.
SPEAKER_03All right. Kyle, he mentioned one of his mentors uh being Will Jones, someone who we mutually know. Um think back to your early years, whether it was college, high school, or even in your practice today, who who are some of the people who have helped technology?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think one of the early mentors that I had that I think back to is a guy named Dr. Ryan Green. He's a professor now at Southeastern. He's I think now he's the head of the athletic training department. But at the time he was a manager of RC sports in Mandeville. And uh it's funny, I I kind of reflect back too, Justin. I think I look around at some of my coworkers and I'm like, man, this this guy's taken taking life by the horns and just kind of making making life how he wants it to be. I think in some ways I kind of go with the flow and wherever I end up, I'm gonna make the best of that spot, but it'll it's It's been a lot of kind of going the f with the flail. Well, the point being is my senior year, you know, going back to the minimalist running shoes, I had to do a research project and I decided to do it on minimalist running. And I had to find a community mentor. And so if you've ever read the book Born to Run, you ever read that?
SPEAKER_01It's on the list.
SPEAKER_02Okay, you should read that. You ever read that book? No. Oh man, that's my that's my uh yeah, Born to Run. That's my origin story right there. Um but there's this guy named Barefoot Ted, and Barefoot Ted is just this kind of wacky character in the story. But he owns a shoe company, it's a sa it's a sandal, like uh they make these sandals that you can run in called Luna Sandals. And I emailed Barefoot Ted a few weeks before the deadline that I had to find my mentor because I wanted Barefoot Ted to be my mentor because I just thought it'd be super fun. Well, he doesn't email me until like a couple of days before. So it's like the day before I have to put on paper who my comedian mentor is gonna be. So I'm like, well, shoot. And then I thought back, varsity sports, uh, their their running shoe store. I've been to Varsity Sports before. It seems like they know what they're talking about when they talk about shoes. So I looked on their website and I just saw who I was like, I'll just find a manager, I guess. And so I looked at the managers and I was like, oh, this guy's got a PhD. I need to I need to talk to this guy. So I reached out to Ryan Green and almost immediately he emailed me back and he was super into the idea. And and so anyways, I fast forward I ended up uh scheduling an interview with him. And this guy's he's got a PhD in biomechanics, he's all into barefoot running, minimalist running. He knows what the heck he's talking about. He's all in the shoe business, which I was really kind of interested in, kind of the shoe, the just the shoe and that side of things. And so I got to know him, I interviewed him, he gave me a lot of stuff in my project, and he was just a really cool guy to talk to. Well, then when I was in college, uh, there was a couple of times that I've just poked my head into varsity sports and I said hello and I talked to him. Well, when I was uh going to towards grad school, I went to varsity sports, was talking to Ryan. I was telling him I was going to school for physical therapy, but I had a semester off, and he's like, Hey, do you want a job here? And I was yeah, that that sounds good. So I was working at a physical therapy clinic as a technician, but you know, on Is that when you were at the other place? Were you or you already this is this is right after undergrad. This is before grad school or any of that type of stuff. Um, but anyways, he offered me a job to work at this varsity sports um just to sell shoes, which I still to this day is my favorite job ever. Selling shoes at Varsity Sports, it was the best. We got free lunch on Saturdays. We'd just get like a sloppy cheeseburger with French, it was awesome. And just hanging around with runners and that type of stuff. But anyways, this guy the entire time, Ryan Green, he's he was managing Varsity Sports. He was uh an associate professor, or he was kind of an adjunct professor type at Southeastern at the time. And he was just walking the walk, and I just always thought that he was impressive in his knowledge and all that. He was just he's a great friend. He was a great friend to me. Even to this day, I've hung out with him in the past year, and you know, we just hit it off. Um, he's a playful guy. I think in a lot of ways, he inspires me in the in the fact that we have a lot of the same interests, but also just in the fact that like he's loving life, he's living life, he's just uh enjoying uh learning about different things, he enjoys diving into research, learning about different things, he enjoys whatever. He's just uh one of his, it seems like one of the big things that he tries to incorporate into his life is play. And so I've always respected that. And then I just want to call out uh a couple more people. So in in my career in physical therapy, Patrick Cook, who was your PC.
SPEAKER_03Oh boy, yes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Patrick Cook. Uh I was very fortunate that for one of my internships when I whenever I was in PT school, Patrick Cook was my he was my clinical instructor. So he was in the clinic working, I was under him working alongside him. And Patrick Cook is uh described by some of the faculty at my my school. They said, Oh, Patrick's, he's an intense guy. You're gonna have, you know, it's gonna be interesting. And he's definitely intense. Uh for some reason, I don't think it's you know, well deserved, in my opinion. Patrick seemed to take a liking to me, so he really invested a lot in into me, into that rotation. He offered me a job at his clinic, and I tried to turn the job down because I was trying to do a different educational program, but eventually I just said I was like, Yeah, fine, I'll take that. Yeah, he does. I tried to turn the job down. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was trying to find a different route. But, anyways, Patrick uh he's he at some point he was the chairman of the PT board for Louisiana, so he's been really involved professionally in physical therapy. He's a go-getter, he's one of the original like specialist PTs in Louisiana, yeah, highly specialized. He's very well known, anyways. But he he kind of took me under his wing, and still to this day, a lot of why, a lot of the how of how I'm doing the things that I'm doing is because I've been in the slipstring of uh of Patrick Cook.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely. So and that man ran a hell of a clinic, boy. He had that clinic set up right, the other place. And now he's at auctioner. So um, yeah, I I love hearing about the people that shape us. Like, you know, I've talked on this podcast with other guests um about the mentors I've had, and I believe that's important um when you're young and you're developing and you're you're trying to find a path to get somebody who's aligned in what you want to do, who's you know, walking the walk, talking to talk. Um not a uh a guru, but a guru, right? Somebody who's doing it. Um so that's just so very important. I don't think anybody can accomplish anything great without the help of others, you know. Uh there's a thing that I say, if you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together. And um I did that's just something I've always understood. Um, I like to be coached. I like to work with the best. If it's something that means something to me, I want the best, I want to work with the best. I don't like crappy equipment, I don't like crappy coaching. I don't, you know, that's why I'm at Auctioner, the facilities, everything that there is that's provided. Um, Dustin, with his background in triathlon and sport lifting, um, from crafting workouts for swimming, running, cycling, the lifts that complement his understanding of the human body like you, um, from that physical therapy background, it was just like a a match made in heaven. Um and I don't know. I think it's it's important for just the next when the next person, the next generation, whether it's business, uh, you're aspiring to be an entrepreneur, um, to go into a field like physical therapy where you're an employee, um, just a fond nose who are doing things at a high clip and and doing very well and aspire to be like them. Um Dustin, let's talk a little bit about your coaching business. What does that look like today? I mean, I know you've got the new space now and it's it's really gonna explode, but let's uh yeah.
SPEAKER_01So, you know, the coaching side of things, uh I've got a roster of athletes, uh, you know, deviates kind of like the official coaching partner of of 4D Racing. And, you know, as far as coaching goes, uh I work with trahletes, I work with runners. I've got a guy right now who I'm coaching to do international and national fly fishing.
SPEAKER_02No way.
SPEAKER_01Where he's training to like go get dropped from a helicopter in like South America into the mountains so he can go like catch this fish.
SPEAKER_02What you know about fly fishing?
SPEAKER_01I do not know a lot about fly fishing, but it doesn't I don't have to, uh, which is kind of the nice part about um the endurance coaching uh formula or or or format or or he's gonna have to traverse terrain. Right, right. The the approach to coaching. I mean, obviously, you know, uh I coach cycling and I I coach the sports that I've that I've participated in, but you know, it's I don't think and that helps us stay connected uh with the people that we work with. Uh a physical therapist who's treating runners who runs, like that's important, like you said. That keeps you connected to to the sport that you're trying to uh, you know, coach. But ultimately, all you've got to do to help someone uh take on, you know, some sort of uh task is to just start with the demands of the task. What are they trying to do? You know, yeah, it's guys wants to go fly fishing uh across the world. What does that involve? Well, we've got a ruck across uneven terrain, through the mountains, uphill, downhill. Um, obviously there's a lot of upper body stuff uh with that. You gotta stand in moving water on uneven ground and in waiters, and that there's a uh, you know, there's a uh movement demand for that that you have to train for. Uh so you just kind of walk your way back of like, all right, well, let's start with the demands of the race. I mean, we do it the same with the Iron Man. What's the demand? What do I got to do for an Iron Man, right? You got to swim really long, you gotta bike really long, you gotta run really long. And you just you just work your way back, like, okay, and then what's the gap between where you're at today and what are the demands of the things that you're trying to do? And how, you know, how can you close that gap? And how much time have you given yourself to close that gap, right? If you're trying to do an Iron Man in six months and you haven't, you know, or 10 months, or 10 or 10 months, and you haven't run ridden or 40 pounds overweight. Yeah. Uh you know, there's a lot of people, uh, there's a lot of people who sometimes don't give themselves enough time to to do the thing that they're trying to do, um, or or don't have this understanding of or or awareness of the gap. They just don't know what they don't know. They don't realize how hard the demands of the thing that they want to sign up for are. So as a coach, it's kind of my job to uh communicate with the athlete like, hey, this is this is what you're actually trying to do. If it's something that they've never done before. Um, and then just kind of write out a write out a plan. You give them a roadmap of like, hey, this is this is what we're gonna um your approach was so interesting to me.
SPEAKER_03And what really sold me were those were those phone conversations. He never, Kyle, he never hyped me up on you're gonna do an Iron Man, this is gonna be so badass, like you're gonna be alleged. Like it was nothing like that. It was it was exactly what he said. Like, let's talk about what you're getting yourself into. Let's you're married, you got a kid, you got relationships, you gotta keep up. This is gonna take a lot of your time. Like, he was just so brutally honest and never ever too high or too low throughout any of the process. And I was trying to do it in 10 months, you know. I I mean we had spoken in November, but I didn't get to training until like that January.
SPEAKER_01I got a bike, and we can say now that I was very skeptical. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna say that now and in 10 months, and the only thing he knows about me is this guy was a college football player, and we about to find out. Like, yeah, I you know, but he never he never showed that. He was he was patient with me. We went through the process, you know, he kept adding more to my plate. And there were times, I think in that first month or two, I I couldn't run for like two weeks. I was having bad hip pain. I had to come to you, and that's when I realized, oh, this is gonna take a village. I hired the dietitian about three months in. I had you as the Iron Man coach for my workouts and teaching me all of the things, and then I had you for rehab and prehab. I mean, we checked in probably every week in 2024 on Mondays. I would potentially had a second coach. Yeah, yeah. I'd do long swim Friday, long bike Saturday, long run Sunday, and long PT session with Kyle on Monday. Like, let's figure out what happened. What are we gonna try to prevent this week? Because I had workouts all throughout the week, you know. Um, but getting back to like your process, like I don't know, it was just so genuine. And the things you told me I was gonna learn about myself during the process, and it it couldn't be about ego to do this. Like you were so realistic, and I think more coaches need to be like that versus selling the end result, you know. Um, I mean, you you you just helped me so much with mindset and everything.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, by the way, I want to say that I think there's a lot of a lot more physical therapists that need to think like that too. I I feel like a lot of times uh I get to do a lot of mentorship with some young young physical therapist through this residency program. And a lot of times, you know, we try to do our best to boil things down, like, hey, let's get back to what are the primary principles that we're dealing with here? Is it a mobility problem? Is it a whatever problem? And even though I think in physical therapy we do a pretty good job with some of you know what people are dealing with. So, you know, with Matt, is it a is it a how can we get you moving better? Is it a muscle performance problem? Is it a tolerance to load? Is it is it you know ankle mobility that contributes to it? But it sounds like just based on your background, you can layer in uh a lot more of the like physiology, the psychology of coaching and understanding how that can competitive athlete needs to function and all that type of stuff. And man, I I'm listening to you talk and I'm should have brought a notepad to take notes of like this is the stuff that I need to.
SPEAKER_01Well, I think I I think Matt's right that it that it does take a village, you know. And even uh, you know, the the rehabbing injured runners course that I did with Kyle, that Kyle, Kyle, I was Kyle's student first, uh, you know, in that course, talk about, you know, how uh just dealing with injuries, right? Like injuries are so multifactorial. Uh and athletes, you know, if if if an injury is multifactorial where there's psychological components, diet components, sleep components, stress components, training load, well, you have people in all of those spaces to advise and be experts on that. Now, as an endurance coach, you're kind of triaging a little bit of everything. And uh as soon as something gets to be a little more than what I can provide to that athlete at the time, like you said, I'm in Punch Tula. I can't get my hands on Matt's ankle uh right away. So in those instances, uh, you know, I have to have other providers that I can lean on or send people to to kind of, you know, make sure that that athlete is is is getting what the help that they need. Um but when things are multifactorial, I mean, uh I don't think it's outside of the the space of let's just say like physical therapists to uh advise on things like stress and and and nutrition. And you know, in the clinic, uh I as a physical therapist, if I'm treating a patient, you know, I I often sometimes do put on my coaching hat. And we start talking about we start talking about motivation, we start talking about psychology and sleep and and all those things. Um because injuries are so complex, but then so is performance, and they kind of go hand in hand.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, yeah, I do I do think that I was having a conversation with Todd Lane the other day about uh just coach Todd. What's that?
SPEAKER_00Shout out, shout out to Coach Todd.
SPEAKER_03Shout out to Coach Todd. Shout out to Coach Todd. The jumpers coach at Elishook, Todd Lane, my arch nemesis.
SPEAKER_00But go go ahead, Kyle.
SPEAKER_03He can't outsprint me on the bike, that's facts.
SPEAKER_01What were you talking to, Coach?
SPEAKER_02So, anyways, he was just talking about coaching. I I forgot what what he was talking about, but we're talking about coaching, and it's uh I I get to travel a little bit with LSU's team, and it's so fun to just like watch the coaches interact with their athletes, and their relationship is a really special one, but I think it's something that I've been reflecting on recently is that a lot of my role whenever I'm with LSU at, you know, we were at SEC championships last week. I get I get the athletes on a treatment table an hour before their event. There's nothing I was taught in physical therapy school that prepares you for like this this person's about to be competing for an SEC championship, which seems like a pretty big deal to me. And they're looking at me like I'm not really feeling perfect in this area. What can I do to make that feel better? In an hour. In I get 10 minutes with them. I get 10 minutes with them. And what I've kind of thought about recently, been reflecting on and just observing the coaches is the the physical side of things is just a piece of the puzzle. There's nothing I can do in 10 minutes that is gonna 100% resolve or even probably make that problem feel a whole whole lot better. But if I can do just enough to kind of bolster the psych psychology, get them feeling better enough, get them to trust their body, get you know, whatever there's some athletic trainers that'll put some tape on whatever. And a lot of times, like in PT school, we we kind of poo-poo some of the passive stuff. Putting tape on something. Well, I mean, if you want to put tape on it, fine. But like in those situations, that's the most important the most important thing. But anyways, the point being is that the psychology of treating the person in front of you or dealing with the person in front of you, whether it's an athlete, whether it's a uh whether it's a patient, whether it's a client, whatever else, is uh just understanding the psychology of the situation. I think is something that coaches do really well. That if I'm reflecting as a physical therapist, that's something that doesn't come as naturally to me that I need to learn about.
SPEAKER_03So you know, I gotta hit on that point, and I'm gonna try not to get emotional with this, but thinking about you and Dr. Burnham, um, you know, I sacrificed so much during that year training for that Iron Man. Um, you know, I missed my best friend who I'm gonna be in his wedding as his best man here in two months' time. Uh, missed his proposal, missed so many things, just dedicated so much. And when I had that crash eight days before the race, separated the shoulder, I was freaking out. I called you on the weekend. Like, I know we had a relationship where we were texting, but I didn't want to cross that boundary of your personal time, but I just didn't know what to do. Um, and I was with Dustin at that time, and uh, you know, you just were like, hey, we're gonna get you in on Monday, we'll assess everything. Dustin had taken me to the emergency room, you know, nothing's broken. There's a definite gap in the separation between your collarbone and the other bone. Like, um, but you, you and Dr. Burnham, nobody was pessimistic. Dr. Burnham was like, you never know what could happen in seven days. I don't know, man. Like, he just left the door open for my mind to work a way to figure it out, right? And that kind of speaks to that psychology. Like, there's nothing that you that I could have done, I mean, other than I just tried to keep my, you know, arm moving. I knew I was gonna have a wetsuit on, it was gonna keep it kind of tight, and I was gonna be able to float and not drown, but you couldn't figure it, I wasn't gonna be able to swim, right? But what y'all didn't do was defeat me mentally by even giving me the option to not make an attempt at it. And so I'm very, very thankful to both of you and to Dr. Burnham for that because I was able to accomplish something. And it made for a kick-ass story afterwards, like I slammed this shit with a separated shoulder.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah. Well, you know what's really easy to do in 10 minutes? What's that? Is to just kill someone's spirit and to make them feel discouraged. It's really hard to make someone feel ready to go in 10 minutes, but like you said, maybe that maybe the answer is hey, just leave the door open. Just make sure you don't shut you get shut it down or whatever else.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah, and I think uh, I mean, that's so important with like who you surround yourself with in life, like the people, your colleagues who you work with, who you who you get intimate, who you allow into your inner circles in business and in work, um, just keeping those people around you who are who are positive and optimistic, it never serves to be pessimistic. You can't tell me, I don't care if like you're shorting a stock or just whatever. Like, I've always thought, how can I get it done? Like, there's a problem in front of me, how can I solve it? Like, I've got to expend every option before I give up, and I don't give up easily. I don't quit on anything. The last thing I quit was, I think, banned in like the sixth grade because I wanted to be back in P. That was it. Like, that's the last thing I quit in my life. Um, and so I think just putting people around you who don't allow you to quit, who just keep the door open. That's huge. That's huge. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think um just being cautiously optimistic is is generally a good approach uh in rehab in in athletics. I mean, obviously, like you want to make sure that it's safe, right? And I and I think that that's the role of your of your PTs and and uh healthcare providers is to just can answer some of those simple questions. Like, yeah, I remember being with you that day uh in the urgent care, and um, you know, they they x-rayed your shoulder, and I think I was like maybe doing a little bit more of the interpretation than you know the nurse that was in there, which you know, she they they do everything. Yeah, you know, they're they're they're doing their best, but uh, you know, I obviously look at you know a lot more uh orthopedic x-rays, so I'm like, uh yeah, you know, I think it's fine. You know, like I it's like it's not broken. You know, so um uh just being cautiously optimistic can can get you pretty far. Uh obviously in the in the space of endurance, uh there is overuse injuries. There, there are red flags, there are there are a lot of scenarios where you do kind of have to pull it back a little bit. Um, but even even you talk about like worst-case scenarios if you're training for an Iron Man. Like let's just say you get one of the worst injuries that can that could face a runner is like a stress fracture, right? Because that just takes you out, you know, of of being able to run. But it doesn't take you out from being productive, right? And and few injuries take you out from being productive. I mean, even if you literally can't move, you can still learn. You could still read a book, you can still work on your mindset, you know. There's always ways to be productive and positive, even if you know things are not going your way or things start to come out of control, or you make a mistake, or you get an injury. There's Always a way to be productive. You can always swim more. You could always swim more. That is correct.
SPEAKER_03That's a traffic thing. It's like, man, I will run, I will cycle, I will put myself through hell. Just don't make me swim anymore because I'm not fast at swimming and I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I love swimming. I will be the best swimmer ever one day. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01No, that's uh but that's just a good life lesson, right? Is to just not not dwell on um bad things that that happen uh or adversity because uh nobody gets to an Iron Man, nobody gets to life, nobody gets through business or or anything worth doing without setbacks and adversity. Yeah, right. So, you know, it says more about you on how do you respond when those things happen uh in determining your success going forward and how much growth you're gonna have, right? Uh if you catastrophize or you do surround yourself with with with other people who catastrophize or uh or use negative language, and and and I it I I cringe and it it hurts me to see examples where you know there may be other PTs that use uh negative language or no CBIC language where they kind of catastrophize a little bit. You know, that's one of the worst things that that that I think could happen, or a coach that catastrophizes. So um yeah, I think I I think caught being cautiously optimistic, um, you know, and and and staying positive, surrounding yourself with with people that are gonna help you move things forward, even when things are hard or or not going your way. Um, that's a really, really key trait of uh getting better as an athlete or a person or uh, you know.
SPEAKER_03You just don't learn anything. When things are going smoothly, like that ego starts to creep in, like it's all meaning from success. Yeah, you don't learn from success, like you learn from adversity or failure or struggle.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I have a couple thoughts. So I I came up with this, uh there's this kind of mantra that I've been telling myself uh a little bit recently is this this uh three words, uh three-word mantra is pride poisons progress. As soon as I feel pride in this situation, I'm poisoning any progress that I'm making. And a lot of it's like with interpersonal stuff. If I've become prideful that uh so a good example is like in physical therapy or in, yeah, let's say in physical therapy, if I'm if I well, or in fitness, we can say too, if I have if I can run a five-minute mile today, but I don't do anything if I if I get comfortable, if I rest on my laurels and I'm like, I can run a five-minute mile, well then guess what? Tomorrow I can't run that five minute mile. Or in a week, if I'm not making progress towards that thing, then I can't run that five minute mile. Um I don't know if that made any sense the way that I said that. And and professionally in physical therapy, it's uh, you know, they talk about the practice of medicine. I I like to make this joke in the clinic, but and I kind of mean it, you know, it's a half-truth, but it's it's it's a half-truth for sure, is is that none of us really know what we're doing. We're all just kind of taking guesses and making educated guesses and trying to figure out what the heck's going on. And to in my career, I find that if I'm not getting better, I'm getting worse. And I think there's something about feeling pride that, like, oh yes, I've completed this certification that a lot of times makes you want to stagnate and stop doing things to get better, stop doing education and stuff like that. And the moment that I feel that pride, and again, that like I want to rest on my laurels, and it it poisons any progress that I'm making, then I'm gonna get worse. And I want to say one more thing is uh about this this uh this idea too that I thought about is have you ever read the book? It's called Man's Search for Meaning by a guy Victor Frankel.
SPEAKER_03I it sounds so familiar, and I've read so many like self-development and business books. I it's either on my bookshelf to be read, or I think I have man's search for meaning.
SPEAKER_02It's uh it's it's a little bit older. So this guy, he's a psychiatrist.
SPEAKER_03I might have read it like seven, eight years ago.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he's a Jewish psychiatrist that was actually in a concentration camp. He was in like the worst of the worst concentration camps in World War II. And he had, I think before he went to the concentration camp, he had come up with this kind of philosophy or this way of um thinking about psychology, psychiatry called logotherapy. But, anyways, he goes into this concentration camp and he just kind of describes his experience, but then he talks about it from his like psychiatric perspective. And one of the the key points that he makes is that you can't have meaning in life if you don't have suffering. And then also he says that at he's he's experienced the worst of the worst in the world, which is to be basically in a selection where this person's going to a kill chamber, this person's going to a war camp. Regardless of the situation, it's terrible. And he says, at no point in anyone's life could you ever completely lose freedom, even though he's in this prison, he hasn't lost freedom in each moment. So when you face these hardships, you have the freedom to choose your perspective and like what your next step is gonna be. You have the freedom to choose to use that hardship as an opportunity to grow and to learn. You have the freedom to choose to be gracious in whatever circumstance and situation, to be kind to others, all these types of things. And so the point being is you know, you crash your bike, you're a couple of weeks out from an Iron Man. You can either eight days. Yeah, yeah. Eight days. I wish I had a couple weeks. So you can either uh you can either just let that kill your spirit altogether, or you can say, What's something I can do today to get better? Which is exactly what you did. Um, if you get a bone stress injury or something like that, you can say, Well, I'm just gonna eat chips on the couch for for the next two months because I'm depressed and I'm allowed to put not allowed to put weight on my foot. But then it sets you back even more, and you've missed the opportunity to learn how to swim or to get into the weight room and you know, work on getting stronger, to work on movement coordination, to really lean into learning something new, anyways.
SPEAKER_01Or learn some of uh factors behind how you got that injury in the first place.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. To go to the doc, yeah, go to the doctor and deal with that.
SPEAKER_03I mean, I'll argue that's the only lens or frame to view life through. That's the only one that is truly serving. You know, it uh yeah, I go back to it, it doesn't pay to be a pessimist, you know. What what is this what is this trying to teach me? What can I learn about myself? What can I learn about the situation? How can I apply something moving forward? Um I love that. I love that.
SPEAKER_02It's a great book.
SPEAKER_03And if I hadn't read it, and if it's not on my red, I literally have like a huge bookshelf at my house in my little personal office. It's books that I've heard like this that I'll order today and put it on my reading, like to read, and then my completed shelf. So it's really good. Absolutely. What's some what's some books that have impacted you, Dustin?
SPEAKER_01What are you reading? Uh right now I'm reading a book called The Checklist Manifesto.
SPEAKER_02Oh, dude, that's a great one. You heard of that one? I read about half of it actually. I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Uh so it's actually it's uh it's a book uh written by a uh by a surgeon, um, and they talk about uh how you know in surgery or any any um setting where you've got really high stakes, complex uh operations going on, and you know, in surgery, like there's a million things that have to be done, and the consequences for getting any one single little thing wrong are pretty high. Like, how are surgical instruments left in someone's body after surgery? Like it it seems so obvious to us that like how does that happen? But the answer is like, well, because they have a million other things that they have to think about in any one given time, doing this highly complex thing. Another example they use is like building skyscrapers. Like, imagine all of the things and people involved and steps involved in building a side skyscraper. Like, how is that managed? And you know, the book kind of gets that, it's exactly what it sounds like. It gets, you know, use a checklist, like something as simple as use a checklist. And it goes uh with the ego thing, right? Of kind of leaving your ego at the door. One of the reasons why surgeons uh would, you know, kind of scoff at this idea of like, oh, I don't need a checklist. I went to medical school for all I've been doing surgery for I don't need a checklist.
SPEAKER_03Um, but you know, it it's I have to speak on this from one of my business perspectives. Continue though.
SPEAKER_01Right. Well, but that's the idea is no, you're you're you're never too good or too smart or beyond the help of something as simple as a checklist just to make sure you're getting basic steps wrong. And it's acknowledging how complex the thing that you're trying to do is, and that hey, it's never you're never beyond just kind of going back to the basic steps and making sure that you're just being thorough in this really complex thing that you're trying to do.
SPEAKER_02Well, that goes back to first principles too. You're talking about uh when you're coaching someone for an Iron Man, go back to what needs to happen to get to that finish line. And so that's exactly the same thing. Exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03It's um it just reminds me, I was a that was something that I realized um several years into my insurance career in my business. Um I was taught by an amazing guy who hey, when we go in, we meet these people in their homes, like you're not getting to business first. Here's how you're gonna go about things. You're gonna get to know them, find some common ground. You're never talking business first, build a relationship, build some rapport. Um then you want to understand what it is that they have, help and make sure that they fully understand that policy and then what it is that they're looking for. And then you educate them on what you have, and if that is in line with what they need. And so it was it was this, you know, steps and processes. Um and he said, You will prevent them from having any type of buyer's remorse, you won't miss anything, but you gotta follow this process. And I got so good at it. I mean, I would I would have people that just from the rapport building just were like, Where do I sign? But I still had to take them through that process. And what I got really good at it, and at about probably three or four years in, I felt myself starting to rush through things because I'm like, I got this, I can take care of them, I know what they need, like I'm I'm so good at this. And I said, wait a minute, I gotta slow down, take a step back, get back to this process and making sure that I'm hitting every single step to give them that great experience that I've given to previous customers. Consistently. Yeah, yeah. Right. Consistently, and it's something big on how I run my real estate business as well. I mean, I I ascribe to Ninja Selling, which is a proven system and process for home buying and home selling. Um, and it's extremely thorough. I've gone to multiple workshops and installations investing in um you know myself and and being the best I can be in that space as well.
SPEAKER_02I have another uh mentor, his name is Mark Gutierrez. He he actually did some like formal mentorship stuff through this program that I did to specialize in a certain area of physical therapy. But one of the things that I heard from him first, and it's kind of the philosophy of some of the education program underneath the Oshner is that experts are people who do the ordinary things extraordinarily well. And the expert isn't the person that has the fancy new thing.
SPEAKER_03Say that again. Look directly into that camera when you say it.
SPEAKER_02All right, so I heard from Mark Gutierrez that experts are people that do ordinary things extraordinarily well. I love it. And so the idea being that don't worry about doing the fancy thing. The a lot of times the things that you're gonna miss in physical therapy in particular, but it probably applies to a lot of other things, is just the basics. If you get ahead of yourself, if you kind of, you know, in the coaching realm, I'm sure if you see something on Instagram, the only thing I know about cycling is that there's this guy that said you gotta do a lot of zone two training. And so if I get on the bike and I only do zone two training, then I'm missing tons and tons of basics as it pertains to cycling because that's the only thing I know. But it's the thing that's touted on social media or whatever else, and so that's what I'm gonna f fixate on as a non-expert. But you as an expert, you have a lot of this, and I can hear it just from you talking, is you have a lot of this nuance of like, well, in this situation, it's this, and let's just boil it down to the basics and and just you know, from my experience I know these things.
SPEAKER_00You've heard of the KISS uh principle. Yeah, keep it keep it simple, stupid. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. Yeah, yeah, checklist manifesto. That was that was a good book. It's been a few years since I read that one.
SPEAKER_03So what do you guys uh Kyle? Tell us a little bit, a little bit about what you're doing outside of Oxchener. What are some of the things you spend time with with your family? I know you got a wife and two children, two sons.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. What do we what do I do outside of work? Man, it's pretty ordinary. Um, I so I do I do the LSU stuff. Tonight I'm going to LSU's training room and outside of work, Kyle. Well, you said outside of Oshner. This isn't an Oshner situation. Anyways, uh, so I try to be up at 4 45 in the morning every morning to get my workout in. I'm only good for about 30 minutes a morning, but it's should be usually it's 30 good minutes. I'm trying to get some interval workouts in, some strength training in, uh, trying to make a good quality stuff. And then, you know, hustle at work all day, and then by the time I get home, I I feel like I have to bring intensity in the way that I relax with my wife every evening. And so I try to make sure that we have I try to do it. It's I'm definitely imperfect. I'm probably, you know, less than 50% of the time, but I try to make sure that every night we have a good 30 minutes or an hour where we're just watching a show or hanging out, just talking, drinking a cup of tea, this type of stuff. Um and I think that's something that my wife has taught me is that she really prioritizes our relationship and our marriage. And I think the same degree of intensity that sometimes I I bring into work stuff, into working out, into this and that. I need to bring that same degree of intensity with the non-intensity of just like being in a relationship.
SPEAKER_03My wife is gonna love this section of the episode.
SPEAKER_02Jesus, I got some work to do. You gotta be yeah, yeah, you gotta be careful uh getting your wife to talk to my wife ever because my wife's we're getting them together.
SPEAKER_03We're gonna do dinner soon. We're gonna do dinner soon. Dustin.
SPEAKER_01Outside of work. Um so I uh last night uh actually we drove all the way down to Shalmet, uh, where I'm from, uh to go to my uh 10-year-old nephew's soccer game. He's in soccer season right now. Uh so we don't we don't have kids, uh, but I have a 10-year-old and a three-year-old, a 10-year-old nephew and a three-year-old niece. Uh, and you know, I enjoy spending time with them so much. You know, I I I get to be the fun uncle. I'm a funkal, right? Uh, so I get to run around with them and and just kind of get to play with them. I get to do all the fun stuff and none of the hard parent stuff. It's a great, great space to exist in. So um really enjoy spending time, you know, with uh with them and and my family. Um also uh Mary and I are, Mary Beth and I and my wife are uh involved in a local volunteer organization in Panchatula called the uh Panchatula JCs. They're the Junior Chamber of Commerce. It's a leadership organization for people 18 to 40 years old, um, and it's just like professional development. Uh we work on lots of uh it's a 501 you know nonprofit organization, work on a lot of community projects. The big project that we have right now is we're raising uh $800,000 for a uh community um access playground. So it's basically to build a playground for kids with disabilities uh that's situated in such a way that you know you can have wheelchair access. Um it's all it's an all-access playground that's gonna be built in in Panchatula, and we're nearly there uh with with you know raising money for that. But one of the projects that I'm involved in to help raise money for this playground is the strawberry strut, 5k, 10k. I don't know if you knew I mean you've been to the strut, but I don't know if you knew.
SPEAKER_03What do you mean I've been to the strut? I won first place in my age group, first ever race I ran. Tell the truth, Dustin.
SPEAKER_04Let's go.
SPEAKER_03That's very impressive. Would you I gotta say this though? That was early in the training, and I did not run a fast 5K. And I remember telling you this. I left the race because my wife, we had to get Jackson back to the house. You hit me up, you're like, hey, dude, you won your age group. Oh, yeah, that's right. First, I have your medal. And then I told Kyle, I was like, Yeah, but I don't know, Kyle. Like, I think everybody else ran the 10K, and he goes, We call that strategy, my friend. Like, that's strategy.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, so anyway, um, so the strawberry strut, like I kind of took over as you know, the race director for that. Um, and and that will be April 12th weekend of Strawberry Festival. Uh, shout out. Do the strawberry, come to the strawberry strut.
SPEAKER_03Justin's company DVA does a ton with sponsoring a lot of the local triathlon events, running events.
SPEAKER_01I mean, yes, DV8 is also a sponsor of the Strut.
SPEAKER_03Rouge Roubaix, we just finished up the gravel.
SPEAKER_01That's right. We just finished Rouge Roubaix this past weekend.
SPEAKER_03Um Endurance. And I thoroughly enjoyed it. And yeah, I learned a lot about myself and life on that rod. Like it was incredible.
SPEAKER_01You've got Louisiana Tri coming up. Uh DV8's a sponsor of that. Um, so a lot of good stuff. You know, it's it's it's all part of uh being able to support the causes that I I really believe in. Um, my work with the JCs is about community involvement and bringing movement and and you know, something that's genuinely good and healthy for people uh to my community. Um when it comes to sponsoring races, you know, that's hitting my competitive side. I race, I try to race every race that I sponsor too, uh, because they give you the free entry. So you know, you might as well. Yeah. But um, but yeah, that's something that uh since I started Deviate, that has, you know, hit me on an emotional level is I have put on so many races in my life. I've gone to Jenny Peters at varsity sports to to sponsor the races and support uh the events that I've put on for so long that now that I have this business and I'm in a position to return the favor and sponsor, do a cash sponsorship of a race uh to ensure its you know longevity uh and and support that event, and then get all my athletes to go to that event. Yeah. Um, that's something that I really uh enjoy and I'm very proud to uh to continue that on and give back to um you know the sport that that's given me so much.
SPEAKER_03We gotta get this little bitch right here in some races, dude, because he can fly. Gotta give him a bite. He does all these tests in non-race settings. He gets no trophies, no medals. I know he's talking about not letting his pride get in the way, but we need to get you on a podium someplace now. I'm trying to uh I'm gonna do that for you. Trying or we're doing or not doing. We don't try anything. I always try. Yeah, I got him a bike. I gave you remember that piece of shit white bike. He has it.
SPEAKER_01You have Matt's old piece of shit bike?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I do. Old bike. Oh man, we got to do that. I'll race you.
SPEAKER_01Come the punch tool, I'll fit you on it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, fit him up. I think it's too big. No, that can be. That bike was small for me, and you're what, 6'1, 6'2? We can make it work. Dustin is a master fitter, bike fitter.
SPEAKER_01We can work to some magic.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no, definitely. Um Yeah, I'll have to see. I'll have to check that out.
SPEAKER_01You have to come. You have to come.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah. Definitely, definitely. Um Studios, hashtag DVA Studio. So how how can people find you, Kyle? Where can they find you at?
SPEAKER_02Uh, I don't I don't I don't really have an online presence. I do have an Instagram account. Um if you just look up Kyle Bram on Instagram. I'm on LinkedIn. You can always reach out on those. I'll see the messages, uh, but I don't really post anything.
SPEAKER_03How can people find you? How can they schedule appointments to see you? People are trying to get back to sport, people are dealing with issues, um, runners. Um, I mean, Kyle treats a multitude of different injuries. Uh he's an expert with running injuries, but a lot of other stuff as well. Like, how how how can they get in to see you?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. So uh one way is through if you have my chart or myoshner, you can schedule directly with the physical therapist on the myoshner app. My name's on there. You can also talk to your doctor uh and let him know that you want to schedule with Kyle Bramley over at Oshner on Burbank. That's one way. You can also send me an email. Kyle.bramley at oshner.org is my email. Um, I'll see that and I can help facilitate things there. Um, and then if you look up Oshner on Burbank uh and find our phone number, if you call our front desk, you can schedule an appointment. And by the way, uh, for what it's worth, if you want to schedule a physical therapy appointment, you do not need to get a doctor's referral first. You can come straight to see a physical therapist. Mic drop.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's correct. Yep. So how can people find you, Dustin?
SPEAKER_01Uh a few ways. So uh you can check us out on the website. Uh dv8 physio.com is the website of DV8Physio on Instagram, Facebook. Uh you can email me dv8 physio at gmail.com. Um, plenty of ways to contact me. Uh, if you're dealing with an injury, you know, you can also see me directly. Um, you can set up a consult for you know an injury, or if you're thinking about coaching, uh, or you want to schedule a bike fit or a run analysis, uh, or just come buy a gel. Uh just come buy a gel. Uh buy DV8 sticker. Yeah, come get a sticker. Uh DV8 just picked up Precision Fuel and Hydration. Uh, so it's a pretty big nutrition brand. Um, just this, and we just kind of launched that this week. So uh plenty of ways to get in touch and and and plenty of ways to uh to get involved. Well, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03Guys, I want to thank you so much for coming on this and doing this with me. Uh, you guys are gonna be back on at some point, probably individually. Maybe as a a panel, we might get Dr. Burnham in here, maybe get Patrick Cook in here and let everybody nerd out about the health and science behind everything, and I'll just observe, you know, kind of guide the conversation, what I can contribute, not much. Uh but no, thanks again. Uh it was a pleasure. That's a wrap, everybody. We'll see you for next week's episode. Thanks for having us.
SPEAKER_02This was fun.