Bones Unfiltered Podcast Episode #2, featuring Mike Clasey

In Episode #2 of Bones Unfiltered Podcast, we sit down with Mike Clasey, a veteran musician and songwriter.  Mike shares his journey in the industry, his passion for live performances, and what drives him everyday.  Don't miss this inspiring conversation! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the Bones Unfiltered Podcast. I'm your host, Bones, and today I got a very special guest. It's a good friend of mine all the way from Washington. His name is Mike Clacy. He is a blues artist as well as the owner of Locked and Loaded Records. So welcome, Mike. Glad to have you on the platform today, brother. Thank you. I appreciate you having me in here. It's been a long time. It has been a while. You can tell his setup's way cooler than mine just looking at just looking at the back of him. And I've got a fucking sheet behind me, so I'm living large right now.

SPEAKER_07 1:09

But uh it's not about what you have, it's how you how you use it, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:13

It's how you run with it. That's right. So, Mike, I'm so man, I'm so glad to have you on here. Mike is for those who don't know, Mike is he's a huge supporter. Um he's he's a huge supporter of a lot of things, but he's definitely a huge supporter of local artists trying to get started. Uh, he himself uh does a lot of blues singing. Uh he owns a restaurant. Um, he is a self-made man. He's got a whole lot going on. And from the great state of Washington. So he's not too far from um Oregon. I think you're what 20, 30 minutes from Oregon. Yeah, 20. It's like 30 minutes from Portland, right at the border. So he's nowhere near me. I'm on the other side of the earth in comparison to him. Hopefully, one day though, we'll gonna meet in in person and do all the good stuff. I've got to get over and see you. Oh, absolutely. And I don't know if I don't know if you're gonna go to that award show or not, but uh if you do, yeah, I'm planning on it.

SPEAKER_07 2:09

Are you planning? Yeah, I do believe I got tickets.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Hell yeah, brother.

SPEAKER_07 2:13

If she comes in today, I might have to go to the site again. Or I'm sure you have it too. Oh, yeah, yeah. I think I got two tickets.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

And what we're talking about, for those who don't know, is the obviously you've heard us talk about it before on the podcast, the uh new award show that's being hosted by Southern Lights Entertainment. And uh thankfully, uh Mike's gonna be there, so I'll get the opportunity here on November 14th to actually meet him and hang out with him in person, which is what I've been wanting to do for a very, very, very long time. However, when he's on one side of the United States and I'm on the other, it makes it a little difficult with you know, besides hopping a plane and flying out. Yeah, so so Mike, what you know, some things that we we've talked about, or maybe we even haven't discussed, is how how did you get your start um in the music industry, period?

SPEAKER_07 3:06

So I went, I I've always sang karaoke. I ran karaoke. I didn't know I could sing until I was like 20 something years old. And I sang a song, and my wife and ex-wife, sorry, ex-wife and my sister, they're like, Oh my god, your voice, and this and that. So I just kept doing karaoke, and then one day I went into a one of the local bars, and a buddy of mine was in there and he goes, Dude, I want you to run karaoke. So I'm like, Okay, I'll run karaoke. What's what's the worst that can happen? I screw it up. So that's way back when they had what is it, comp you host or something like that? Way back in the karaoke day. It was like the early 90s.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

Oh, no doubt.

SPEAKER_07 3:48

Yeah, and so I started that and then ran with that, and then I kept singing and kept singing. I do, you know, just like I said, just karaoke. And then my mom said, You need to go on the voice. I'm like, nah. Well, first it was American Idol. I'm like, Mom, I'm too old. At this point, I'm like 40 something years old, and uh, I'm like, I'm too old, can't do it. And then the voice came out, and then she kept bugging me and bugging me and bugging me. And I'm like, Nope, I'm I'm good. I just like karaoke. Because I growing up could not speak in front of anybody.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_07 4:19

Yeah, nope, no doubt. Even standing up and doing tests and you know, that kind of stuff and speaking at school stuff, and I'm like, Nope, I'm good.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

So you're so once you learned how to sing, that was your that was your um out, that was your outlet of communication. Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 4:37

Yes, yeah. I just like I said, I was never a good speaker, didn't really talk to many people, didn't hang out with too many people, but just you know, had fun singing, enjoying.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

One point in time you said you uh you actually ran the karaoke. So you were the DJ at at a I guess the local bar near you, or was yeah, Charlie.

SPEAKER_07 4:57

It was Charlie's bar and grill. And if any of my people I don't I can't see the comments, so I don't know who's in here.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

Oh, you know what? I don't let me put the comments on because I haven't seen yet either. Um yeah. I tried to do that, and I'm like, I don't know how to do that thing. I don't think anybody's commented, and nobody's commented yet.

SPEAKER_07 5:12

Oh, okay. So anyway, um, but yeah, I started doing that at one of our local bars and did it for seven years. I mean, I just I mean, I was always a union industrial painter. Um, really? Yeah, I started out when I was 18, went in the union, and since retired because I got injured. Um, but yeah, that's what I did as my career. But at nighttime, it's like four hours a night, I got paid like two, three hundred bucks. So, I mean, I was making good money. I'm like, heck yeah, you know, I'm 40 some years old, I'm I'm killing it.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

I didn't even know they had a union for a painter's union. Yeah, is that is that attached to something else, or is it specifically a painter's drywall or something like that?

SPEAKER_07 5:54

It's one of the lowest paid unions in the United States. No doubt. Yeah, our journeymen only make like 23 bucks an hour. No shit, yeah. But I was an industrial painter and I did all the bridges, so of course we got prevailing.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Oh, you probably got a little hazardous on that too, didn't you? Because you were lead abatement and stuff like that, dude. So, did you have to did you have to learn to like rappel and then paint and then or scale the scale the shit while we were doing it, or we don't have platforms or scaffolding, but like the stadiums that we did, we had a Bozeman chair, that's what it's called.

SPEAKER_07 6:31

It's this little you know the old school elementary school chairs, the plastic ones, so they'd make that, but they'd hook up ropes to it, and then they'd lower you down, and you'd paint, they'd lower you down, you paint. You'd be up, you know, hundreds of feet in the air in this chair. That if that rope broke, you were done. Holy shit. Yeah. And I couldn't do that, dude. Yeah, I didn't there ain't no way. Did the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, which is way up there, and then the Astoria Bridge, which is it's I don't even know how far it is to the top. Damn nation.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

So you so did you say you did an arena?

SPEAKER_07 7:12

Yeah, so we did a lot of baseball arenas, football arenas. Um, we also did uh like tank farms, like where they store the petroleum and oil and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

Oh no shit. Yeah, damn, that's cool. And how many years did you say you did that? 35. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_07 7:30

Damn, you started young, bro. Yeah, yeah, 18. Like 18. Yeah, I was in the union um before that because they came to the job fair and I thought, oh, that's kind of cool. I want to do that. So then I was in the program to where you know, before you turned 18, you can go to the union hall and do all your testing. That way, right at when you turn 18, you can become a journeyman because you've already been through all the courses. Right. So at 18, I was a journeyman painter. Wow. And then at like 48, 50 or something like that, I became they called it a master painter. So I was like, I was up there. I could actually teach, and I just don't because like I said, I can't, but so what made you stop painting?

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Got hurt. Oh, you did get smashed my arm and my hand. Oh, no shit. Yeah, my right hand. Was it on the job or was it a related injury from something different? No, it was on the job. No shit. Yeah. Now did the since you were unionized, did they did they have like some sort of uh I'm you know, like me, I'm retired pension from a union position. Uh did you get kind of the same thing and when you got hurt and had to yeah, labor and industries and my pension? Nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:52

Because I, you know, I I was grandfathered into the old school one, so I'm like, okay, I'm 55 years old. Well, I'm 57, so it would have been it was 10 years ago. No shit. Yeah, so they're like, Well, you can retire and be done. I'm like, okay, cool, bye. Now, what did your what did your uh father do? Uh my dad was a river pilot. So he drove barges. No, so he started out doing barges with a tugboat, and then he became a river pilot. So the river pilot, there's a difference. So, like here, it's from the IFI Bridge, which is right by Portland, all the way to the Astoria Bridge, which then it goes to a bar pilot, and then they take it across the world. So he does all local stuff where he did. So he gets on them big ass ships, and then he brings in the navy ships for all the parades.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

And now, when he was doing that, was he even though it was a local gig, was he gone for uh days at a time, or was he sometimes home every night?

SPEAKER_07 9:53

Like he'd do his job and then come home at the no it'd be he'd be gone because he'd have to take it like up the river to Astoria, and that takes however many hours, and then he'd stay, and then he'd bring another one back, and so he'd be gone for a couple days. When he was on the tugboat, it was 15 days on, 15 days away. Oh no shit.

SPEAKER_00 10:12

Now, did he ever get to take you as a young lad?

SPEAKER_07 10:15

Yeah, and getting up them stairs. So I think I was like 16, no, 15 years old, and he took me and going up them stairs, dude. My dad's all flying up him. I'm like, okay, and I was skinny, I was like 95 pounds, but it is not easy. And he's like, What are you doing? You're younger than I am. Let's go, let's go. And I'm like, I know. I could not keep up with him. My dad's a he's a beast, though. He's 80, I think he'd be 89 this year, and he's still healthy as a horse.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

No doubt.

SPEAKER_07 10:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:50

I would tell you what, that body in motion stays in motion is so true, man. Yes, so true. Yeah, and absolutely it's why he's that's probably why he's he's gonna live to be like 900 years old, just because he's you know, of what he did, you know, how he had to move and function. And he didn't he didn't have a job where you just sat the whole damn time behind a desk.

SPEAKER_07 11:10

No, and then we grew up on a farm, so you know he'd come home and we'd be all taking care of the farmer he'd do it or now.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

What kind of farm did y'all have? Was it just was it plants? Did you have livestock? Did you have a combination?

SPEAKER_07 11:21

We had livestock, we had livestock and horses and chickens and pigs and huge ass garden.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

No shit. Yeah. Now is that where you grew up? Did you grow up on the farm? Yeah, how many acres did y'all have? Uh 10 acres total. 10 total? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 11:37

Which isn't a lot, but that's a lot of work to do. Oh, it's still, dude.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

I tell you what, it's still a it's a lot taking care of fucking animals like that. Yeah, because I mean I lived on the farm for a short time and we had cattle, and uh, but we had other shit too. And you have to take care of everything. I mean, there ain't no vacation for farmers, they were 24-7.

SPEAKER_07 11:57

It feels like we had to get up in the morning. My brothers would get up and milk the cow and get all that ready at like five in the morning, and then we'd go to school, come home, finish our stuff, then they do our homework and then eat, and then it's like, okay, I'm going to bed.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Oh, hell yeah. And then in the summertime, I guarantee you your ass was working.

SPEAKER_07 12:14

Oh, yeah. We were haying doing hay and doing we had a strawberry farm not too far away, so we'd do strawberries to make our extra money.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_07 12:23

Yeah, chopping wood because we had a wood stove.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

So Scott Brayley and Wolf both said hi, by the way. They're both in here watching right now. I don't know if you can see it or uh see the comments or not. Nope. I thought somebody was able to figure it out how to do it, but I know most of the time they people can't, which is not. Tumblr figured it out. Yeah, Tumblr did. Yeah, and I don't know how I don't know how he did it. Uh I didn't I should have asked him because I'm learning all this too, but uh he figured out how to see comments. Oh, comments, okay.

SPEAKER_07 12:56

Oh wow, okay. Oh, so you can do it. I can see them now, but is it gonna go on the bottom?

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Comments. See, mine are on the side, but then again, yeah, I don't know if you can move it or not. I don't what but what's up, Scott? Thanks for showing in, brother. I don't know. Mike, you know Scott Braille, don't you? I'm not sure. He uh he's he used to do management for for bands, but now uh if I'm if memory serves, Scott, I hope I get this right. If memory serves now, he's more of a of a promoter than he is in actual band management, but he's actually out of Maine, so you may not know him because you're he's on the other side of the world with me, you know, in comparison to you. But Scott, if you don't know who this is, is Mike Clacy, and he's actually out of Washington. So he's got uh he owns Locked and Loaded Records, he does some singing, he's he's a a blues artist, got a very bluesy voice.

SPEAKER_07 13:52

So he I do a lot of country now too. So oh, are you good? You busting into that? Yeah, there's a song out on TikTok that I just put out there. I don't know how to do it on Facebook. It's they're very picky on what you put up there.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Oh, no shit. Yeah, because I tried to look and and what some things I found I was gonna try to do to just bring up to show people. Yeah, I couldn't figure out how to download it to the computer, and unfortunately, my knowledge only leads me one way. I haven't learned I haven't learned that I'm sure there's a way around it. I just gotta learn that too.

SPEAKER_07 14:26

Just like the comments. I don't know. So it says comments. He says Scott's. But now I can see him, but how do you what if I join the chat? If this screws up, I'm gonna be like Tumblr in and out of here like 50 times. We had fun though.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

It was it was all good.

SPEAKER_07 14:47

Connect to uh are you there?

SPEAKER_00 14:51

Yeah, you're yeah, you're just you're you're in black screen now. Okay, just a second. We're gonna try this, ladies and gentlemen. We're doing some trials and tribulations. Doo doo doo. Miss Judy, welcome.

unknown 15:07

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

What did Wolf say? Usually leads me, leads you to me. Yes, it does. Normally when I fucking fuck shit up, I gotta call her. I gotta call Wolf and get it fixed. Is she coming up in here? Um, she was actually gonna be doing a podcast same time. So I I think she may come in or she she's gonna watch until she has to do hers. Oh, okay. So uh oh, Mickey B is in here. So welcome, McBee. He is out of um from Hanover, Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_07 15:37

Yeah, see if I do this, I can see him, but I'm in the back. It just kind of, I mean, you can still see me.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

Oh, is it is it kind of putting it over your face? Yes. Oh, well, fuck, that sucks. I wonder if there's anything I can do. I don't think there's anything I can do to help you with that. No, it doesn't look like it. Let's see. Either that or well, I'm in that.

SPEAKER_07 16:01

Can I shrink it down here?

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Can I pull that down? But howdy, howdy, McBee. It's nice to meet you, brother. I've heard about you quite a bit about you, McBee. Wolf says, Tell him I will interview him. Yeah, I'll just have to. Who are you talking about, Wolf Mike, or are you talking about McBee? No. You talking about no? Who the fuck is no? Yeah, who the fuck is no? Who the fuck is no and what's he doing in here? So so Mike, how did you how did you why did you choose blues to start with?

SPEAKER_07 16:39

Was it your voice? Yeah, I I just love BB King and you know, so Joe Bonamasa. Um I have a friend, which I can't say who it is, but they are the niece of Joe Bonamasa. So we are actually releasing a song with him. It's the uh Give Me One Reason, and he plays it, and it's out right now, but I'm gonna sing to it. Um, so we talked to Tracy Chapman and Joe Bonamasa, and everybody got them to agree. So that should come out here in a couple months. He's gonna work on a different version to see if I like it. But like I said, I kind of love blues, you know, BB King and all them.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Dude, that's badass. You're doing a collab with them. That's gonna be fucking fat, dude. Now, when you release that, are you just putting it out on all platforms? Are you gonna start with a specific one? What's your plan?

SPEAKER_07 17:36

So we have an album coming out. I have like 17 songs, and it's just getting all mixed right now. Um, like you said, I can play some here eventually. Uh I have an RB one, which so recording-wise, I've never been in the rapper or RB genre because they record totally different, they do use a lot of auto-tune, which you can tell, but you know, that's what makes it sound good, so why not? Um, but it's a different recording way than it is for country or blues or rock or anything like that. So I did a song, we learned how to do all that stuff, so that's coming out. Um, but the song that I have out on all platforms, that was just a test to see what it would do. And I made the big old dollar eighty-five off of it. The whole dollar eighty five.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

You spin that you spend that all in one place, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 18:33

Absolutely. Yeah, it covers like a penny of what I put into it. So we have that song out, it's on all platforms under my name. Um, but like I said, when I got started, she kept bugging me, so I finally went on. Um made it all the way to it was during COVID, which sucked. Oh my god, that's terrible. You don't when you go out there and you're doing the chair turnaround, you have a bunch of TV screens in front of you, everybody's TV audience.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

It's not the real oh, that's right. It was. I remember that, and they had people's fucking faces, even to ball games. They had like you could buy like a poster board with your face on it, they put it in a chair. I was like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_07 19:20

It's it's just weird. So it didn't really, but I came up with some health issues, and then because when my mom passed, that's when I entered it, and like I said, I made it quite far. Um then I had to come back because my sister passed, and so I thought, you know, I was with Warner Records, that's who signed me, uh, through Blake Shelton. Um so I did all that stuff, and then like I said, I had to come home. Well, we had some issues with the record label, which I can't discuss on here, can't discuss anywhere. But they came and took everything, everything. I just started a tour with Mr. Jelly Roll, Struggle Jennings, Jesse Howard, all those guys. I don't know if you remember that was like seven years ago. Yeah, when we were all together, and then uh got into it with them and lost all that. So they took it all. So I don't know if anybody understands the world of big record labels, but it's a hard money loan. They're gonna give you five million dollars. Oh, yes, I have five million dollars. If you don't do what they tell you to do, you have to pay them back. Oh, yeah. If you call out a one show, you have to pay it back, and so you don't really make much, you know, you're just making whatever they sell at the stadiums and all that stuff, and it's fun, you know, singing in front of 30,000 people's a rush. Oh, but you know, when a song comes out, you have to fly down there, you have to sing it the way they want you to, with their background, with their stuff, how they want you to do it. And it's like, why? That's just not cool. You know, I have my own songs, we'll we'll work on those. And it never happens. No shit. So, yeah, and then when you get out of these contracts, like I say, I can't say much, but when you get out of them, they come to your house, they come to your ex's house, they come to whoever's got a computer that you are around that has your stuff on it. Pictures, music, lyrics, anything, they wipe it clean and take it off.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Holy fuck.

SPEAKER_07 21:35

Yeah, I had 48 songs, three of them were number one hits.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

So is that why you kind of develop locked and loaded records? Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 21:44

It's kind of like Jason Aldean, he owns his own record label. Why? Because he was tired of all the bullshit. Wow, dude, that's fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Now, did you did you go on the show? Did you decide to end up doing it because of your mom? Yes. And and also my condolences for the passing of your mom and your sister both. That's yeah, my heart goes out to to you and your family for that. So that's what led you to go ahead and give that a shot was for your mom. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 22:14

But then I like I said, it's it's kind of a I don't know how to say it, kind of a what's the word I'm looking for? A blessing that now I have my own. Because when I did this, like I said, you go there, you do what they tell you or they tell you to do. Now I have learned from the ground up. It's like going into an auto mechanic and going in there with some PhD in mechanics. Okay, there you go. Now you're doing what you're you're doing. Instead of, oh, you know, I used to be an oil changer, then I moved up to brakes, and then I moved up to engines, and then I moved up to suspension. That's like music. When you go and get a big label, you do what they tell you to do. You don't learn that stuff. Now I have learned from the ground up how to plug in a freaking microphone, how to run speakers, how to run a soundboard, how to create music on my own from a guitar and a piano, and then the band, and then you practice, practice, practice, and then you throw it out on platform. That's how music should be.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

That's how you should start, not just have it handed to you. So, how long did it and were you self-taught, or did you have someone kind of showing you the ropes on how to do because sound engineering is not an easy thing to no? I've been taught, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 23:34

I got a buddy that's actually very good. He owned Regal Regal Sound or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

I don't know if you ever heard of them, they were huge, but he owned that sounds familiar, but I can't. I'm not a hundred percent if I do or not.

SPEAKER_07 23:49

But yeah, he owned that and he went around doing big, big shows. But that's whose board I have, and he lives here about 30 minutes away from me. But he's since retired and went to work and did all that. But yeah, he helps me with all that. Um, Brad, my drummer, he's an amazing audio guy, and he he helps with all the computer stuff because you know the drummers they have you know, like my drummer on a show, he has his laptop sitting right next to him because then he can go, oh, we need to do this song next. This is how many beats per minute, this is how it's gonna sound, this is what you need to do. That way, it's in our in-ears or on my laptop, which everybody gives me shit about having an iPad in front of you on stage. Well, guess what? Not everybody remembers things, and you know, and who gives a fuck if you want to have an iPad?

SPEAKER_00 24:39

What the hell's the problem with that?

SPEAKER_07 24:41

Yeah, it's it's not like I'm reading from it. Sometimes I am because I don't remember the lyrics, so I'll kind of look down and it'll jog your memory, and then it's like, oh, okay, now I'm into the song.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

Well, yeah, when you have a hundred songs, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 24:56

How are you gonna remember all that? Yeah, I don't care who you are, you're not gonna do it. Yeah, unless you're out on tour seven days a week, 365 days a year, singing those songs every day, you're not gonna remember, right?

SPEAKER_00 25:07

And he and if you have that many songs, you're not you're not your set list, ain't nowhere near that anyway. No, so I mean, fuck, even if you change your set list up every fucking show, that's still that's a lot of damn music to have to know.

SPEAKER_07 25:20

Absolutely, just like you know, we have a place here at the casino that in order to sing there, you gotta sing for four hours. It's a lot of music, bro. Dude, that's a whole fuck four hours. Yeah, most shows are you know three hours at the most, and most of that you talk during it, you get the crowd going, you stop and bring a kid up, or you know, somebody up, or you know, it's interaction. So there's an hour's worth of shit that you're not really doing much at singing, it's just all interaction, but yeah, four hours, and you get like three breaks of 15 minutes. Yeah, I'm like, no, I'm good, dude. Dude, that'd be hard to keep that pace up.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 26:01

I my voice starts going about two hours.

SPEAKER_00 26:04

I bet, I bet. Welcome, Miss Elizabeth. How are you, honey? Miss Elizabeth's in here, so is Miss Judy. We welcome them. They're two two uh young ladies that are very, very, very supportive of myself, and um every time I do a podcast, these young ladies try to jump in or at least pick it up after the fact. So I'm very blessed to have them in my life too. Um, for those of you all that coming in late, Miss Judy, I I don't know if you saw my text. Um, you had asked what kind of music Mike sings. He does a lot of blues and and apparently does some country. Now he's dabbled, he's he's covered songs of pop nature, um, of some other stuff like that. But uh he's definitely got a very bluesy voice. His voice is just you can tell when you hear his voice, immediately you're like, uh, that's a blues artist. That's a blues artist.

SPEAKER_07 26:56

I do love Chris Stapleton too, and I that's what everybody says. Like, oh my god, you sound like I'm like, Don't, don't, don't say it right now. Yeah, I love Chris, he's awesome, dude. He's badass, phenomenal guy, very nice, and very good musician and singer. Um, just like Bryant Thomas, he's the one that's in American Idol right now. Um, he's he's amazing, he's a good friend, and it's you know, we used to sit up till 4 a.m. in the morning or 5 a.m. on TikTok, just in there singing back and forth.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

That's crazy, yeah. But it's you know, and I know like I don't know personally because I don't sing, but man, I'm not gonna say names that way I can I guess I can say this. You know, I've known some people that have put in to do like the voice, and I and you know, the way they talk, I mean, the way that I've heard understood things is I mean, there's a whole lot of red tape because you got to give over your in like your internet shit. So they got to have your Facebooks, your TikToks, your Instagrams, they got to have control and make sure, I guess, that you're not blabbing ahead of time about results or if you got canned or not. But also, they were like, you know, they were like, you can't even do gigs. No, and I'm like, well, damn, if you can't do gigs, what if that's your livelihood? What if and then you go on one of these shows? I was like, are they are they paying you to be on the show?

SPEAKER_07 28:19

And they were like, No, they just they no, they take care of you, but it's just like your job. If you have a job, you better tell your job you're gonna be gone for three to six months.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 28:37

You lose 30% of whatever you make the rest of your life to them if you win.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

If you win, and you know what's funny to me is, and I don't watch them very often, like I've never watched one from the start of the season all the way to the end. Yeah, however, I have watched and realized that it seems to me, it at least on some situations, that the people, a lot of them that end up making it, number one, and win, it's like they you don't hear much out of them after that. But like the ones that say got booted two or three weeks before, then all of a sudden it's like boom, they just skyrocket.

SPEAKER_07 29:20

So you can have, let's say you have this lady here, she's winning. Okay, well then this girl here that's saying just as well, got booted. Well, if she's got better content and better vocals, that's when these guys start poaching. All these record labels start poaching. It's like, okay, I think not saying she's better, but I the record labels going, I think she's better than the one who's winning. So we're gonna poach her, we're gonna take her. So I hope this doesn't get me in trouble, but there's a lot of judges. So I won't say names. There you go. There's a lot of judges that do take certain people under their own, right? And they yeah, and they sign them.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Yeah, the ones that they think are worth because they're they're investing their time, so I get that.

SPEAKER_07 30:14

There's a lot of drama, it's like any other TV show that you have to create drama and you have to be in the drama and you have to add drama that they tell you to add, which none of it's probably any true truth to it at all, but it makes you come back to watch that because you want to know what happens next.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Wow, yeah, that's crazy. And by the way, Miss Janice, in case you can't see it, Mike, since it was we've tried this, Miss Janet Smith said to tell you hi. Hi, Janice. So hi, Janice. Janice, thank you for showing up. She's one of my large supporters. Is she well? Thank you for showing up, Miss Janice. Thank you so much. We I greatly appreciate your presence as well. So welcome.

unknown 30:56

Sorry.

SPEAKER_07 30:57

Now uh my buttons up here that I have to hit.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

But yeah, that's I always thought that was weird. You know, just some of the things that I've been told by some people that are, you know, they're just like, yeah, it's it's one of those things that it's kind of it's almost kind of difficult to do. It is, especially unless you're maybe if you're young and you you still live at home with mom and dad and you don't have a whole lot of bills, then it's worth jumping into that because it's a what do you got to lose kind of such scenario. But but if you're like a a grown man, you got a wife, you got kids, you got bills that coming in and and all that shit. That I mean to me, that'd be kind of hard to especially if you're doing music and doing gigs, that'd be kind of hard to say, all right, I'm gonna go try this show.

SPEAKER_07 31:42

And then it creates if you're married and you have kids and you're not working and she's the only supporter, then you know, and you're out just chasing music. If you get big, that's cool because it'll pay off in the end. But you know, like I tell everybody, you're not gonna know if you make it until you try. Yeah, exactly. And it's not easy. I mean, you can't it nothing's really handed to you unless you're like super big or in the family, and a lot of like struggle, nothing was handed to him. He worked his ass off with his with the Jennings family to make what he is. He has worked his ass off to help his daughter get what she is, and she's amazing. The whole family's amazing, but you know, I don't think I've heard his daughter sing yet. Oh, she's phenomenal. Oh no, she's in a few of his songs, yeah. Well, I might have to check her out. But the thing is, is like I said, like the cash kids never heard of them until they started doing their own thing. Yeah, because well, first of all, they didn't have to because of dad, but well, yeah, but you know, they're like, okay, I think I'm gonna start singing. So they did, and they're great, but they still had to work for it, it didn't get handed to them. You don't see them out on all platforms and doing shows, and no, because they're still working, yeah, to get there.

SPEAKER_00 33:06

Well, I know, like when I met Jesse Keith Whitley, I was uh what was really interesting about him is you know, I mean, his dad is probably one of the greatest to have ever graced music, period. Yes, I I mean he was my Yuletide favorite growing up for sure. Yeah, I mean, he was uh awesome, but what I love about Jesse is the fact that he he wants he don't want to do it, he don't want to be his dad, he wants to be himself, and I love that because he's so talented. But you know, it's I'm sure he probably gets it where some shows it's like hey, play something of your dad's. It's like, well, wait a minute, who you you're here to see me, not you know, yeah, not my dad, yeah. Yeah, and it's no offense, but it's like you know, it's like he I he's got the talent, you're there to see him. Why don't you want to hear his stuff? Yeah, you know, yeah, and I get it. I mean, you know, you you have a dad that's that that's that cool, uh, and it was that talented, you know, I'm sure you you're gonna hear it a lot more than you want to. Oh, yeah. But um, but I love the fact that he tries to set that record straight and he's like, hey, you know, we're here that we're here to do my my kind of music. And I love that he I love that about that guy.

SPEAKER_07 34:21

He's he's really cool. Sounds so much better now. When I sing, I use reverb, so I just shut off the reverb. I'm in the oh, is that what you were doing?

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Yeah, I'm like see, you got all the cool guys. Well, let me ask you this. How much just just in your studio alone? And I can't, you can't even see all of it, obviously. No, but I've seen a little bit more than what's shown in this picture. He's you got a lot of cool shit in there. How much money do you have invested in your music career thus far?

SPEAKER_07 34:51

So far, just in this room, probably 60,000. Holy shit. Yeah, there's microphones like this one sitting right here, the Sony. That one's forty-two thousand dollars. Yeah, the one that's this one's I think like six thousand or something like that. Holy. But they're all recording mics. So my I mean, I have the shirts, you know, the one that Michael Jackson uses, I have that one. But yeah, most of them are all breaking stuff over here. But I have two, one for you know, the podcast one, and that's aerial also, so it picks up the background.

SPEAKER_06 35:35

That's that's that's good.

SPEAKER_07 35:36

And then I got one, two, three, four iPads, the the MacBook, the iMac on the floor, because I don't use it much. Yeah, there's a lot, and the keyboards and mixing board, I think that was like six grand.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

God bless. It's all digital. You know, and they say, and I've quickly, I mean, not to this extent by any means, that blows my mind, but you know, I'm I'm quickly learning you got to invest money to make money, yeah, and uh, or invest in products and stuff. And you know, that's just like hell, when I first bought this, you know, I bought this boom mic, and it ain't the it ain't the best thing in the world. It was a get it started, you know, these these uh headphones were probably the most expensive headphones I've ever bought.

SPEAKER_07 36:24

Those are the best headphones, that's what I wear.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

Audio technique, yeah. They're they're awesome and they sound great, but you know, it was like$170 for this model. And uh, I was like, God dang. But I wanted something that would sound good, and and this microphone, I was you know, I did research and I didn't get the top of the line, but still, you still invest a shit ton of money, and then once I bought all this stuff, well, hell I couldn't I couldn't use it because I couldn't figure out with this damn computer because I'm on a I'm on a Mac computer, so my T my monitors that well it kept telling me every time I'd try to go live, it'd say, Well, we can't find your camera. But yet if I FaceTime somebody, it worked it'd come up right like that. So I'm like, How can you not find it? But it it actually took Wolf, somebody who has a little bit more of that tech savvy technology aspects to them, to sit there and say, Well, here, let me help you walk you through StreamYard, and she walked me through all this shit. Next thing you know, I'm like, wow, all the shit that I'd bought and spent several hundred dollars on equipment that had to just live on this desk because I couldn't use it. Yeah, now all of a sudden I'm I'm actually getting money's value out of it. So I was like, Thank God. But uh, but I don't have anywhere close to all of that that you've got going on now. Now your room there, how big is that room?

SPEAKER_07 37:45

It's just a standard bedroom, small guest room. So so it's out, yeah. You just kind of made it a little bit that way. That's cool. Yeah, this is all padded, and those are all my wine collection that they send me wine all the time. So I thought, well, put it in the studio because it's you know, it's an atmospheric room, so it gets a little hot in here once in a while.

SPEAKER_00 38:07

Oh, I bet. Yeah, but you can tell, like I can tell a difference with you versus uh some of the other people that we've done where especially where you you know you've maybe called on their phones or whatever. Yeah, yeah, huge, huge difference. Okay, but uh you know, like me, I hope mine don't sound like shit. I I've never really paid attention to how I sound, but no, you got it. Like I'm in a big living room, uh, living room is what I'm in. And I have this sheet behind me because if not, I got windows on that side. So it especially the daytime it get the glare going on and everything else. Let's see what is uh Elizabeth say you're so right. I personally know a guy started singing four years ago. Let's see, da da da da. Let's see.

SPEAKER_07 38:47

Yeah, I know. I gotta keep checking them. That's why you see my finger up here is to hit the X button.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

And Gerald Gerald is uh in here from uh the other night, which he's the guitarist for um Outlaw Whiskey. So he he's in here watching yet again. So welcome back, Gerald. And I appreciated y'all on the show too. They were they were grateful to be on the show, and I was very grateful for all of you all, including you, Mike, for all the support you all done. You all really encouraged me, along with Pam Little, who's in here watching my book and ages. She's the one that's pushed me to do this podcasting, and I'm really glad that she did because I'm having a whole lot of fun doing this. She's the one that's doing the tickets, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, all right. I got it. Yeah, she's the one that is it, she's the one that actually is doing the entire uh uh award show. Like she's bought she's put she's bought shit out of her own pocket. Like she's she's bought awards, she's done a lot. Now she's got sponsors, but she's still, I mean, it's still it takes a village.

SPEAKER_07 39:51

I'll send you some money if you just want to make an award just just to send me.

SPEAKER_00 39:56

We'll make you a thanks, thanks for coming all the way from Washington Awards. Yeah, absolutely. Farthest. Presented to Mike Lazy for the longest drive to a award show in human history. Well, it'd be make you a little, we'll get a like a little bobblehead or something. That'd be great.

SPEAKER_07 40:11

Because I'll be on that side in September because I'm well probably shouldn't announce it yet, but a big big thing's happening this year. Um Elena Alana, she's a great friend, and Megan Moroni, they invited me to a certain place, which I'm sure you can all figure it out, but we're not sure when yet. And I think it's in September.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Oh, that'll be cool.

SPEAKER_07 40:35

I was already there once. That's when I had my dreads, and you know, dude, you look totally different too.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

I totally forgot about that. Yeah, when you had dreads, that was so. What was the story behind the dreads? What prompted you?

SPEAKER_07 40:47

So I've always wanted them, and I was sitting at one of my bars, and we were talking about it, and the girl goes, Oh, I can do those. I'm like, Dude, I'm too old. She goes, No, let's just try it. Like, okay, so we ordered them up and got them in. And because I had long hair anyway, just like I do have I have a mohawk now, but it's like that long. So no shit, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:09

And then I knew you had a mohawk, I didn't know it was that long, yeah. Yeah, and then uh so she weaved in the braid, so you can actually buy braids, yes, the dreads already done, and they aren't expensive. No, are they yeah?

SPEAKER_07 41:26

So if you get the synthetic ones, which I'm telling everybody, don't do because we started off with that. And if you get them wet, because you got to clean them still, you don't want your hair staking, right? So you'd sit in the shower and clean them, then you'd have to wring them out, ring them out, ring them out, and then you'd have to sit in a towel for like hours because it'd still be dripping because it's just synthetic hair, it doesn't soak it, and it doesn't dry very good. And you can't use a hairdryer with synthetic, you'll have a big old ball of hair on fire. So then I switched to real hair, which is so much lighter, so much easier to deal with. And you can wash those and they dry. But yeah, she sews them in and it's kind of like crocheting, I guess. No shit, really. Yeah, they pull your hair in there and they tie your hair to it. And once your hair gets longer, like mine grew out like that far, she'd have to come back in and tie them up. She'd leave the rest of your hair, but she'd have to tie them up to your scalpel, really. So they gotta go back and re-maintenance, yeah. And it don't feel good at all when they do it because they're pulling your hair to tie it, so they're getting it as tight as possible. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

How long how long a process did that take?

SPEAKER_07 42:36

It took five hours.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

Holy shit, yeah. Wow, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 42:41

But yeah, that's why they get so expensive, you know. A lot of people get them, and like a lot of women get hair extensions now, and I think it looks great. Everybody's all can't you just grow out your what well, what if you can't? You know, some girls just can't grow their hair out, so they get extensions, looks just fine. Who cares? You know, yeah. I got I got a bunch of crap, you know, being the white guy with dreads for a while, but worth it. Yep, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 43:09

It looked cool. So, what made you want to get up? You just got tired of the maintenance of it?

SPEAKER_07 43:13

Yeah, yeah, it's just a lot, and it was heavy. Because, like I said, the synthetic part, it's oh, it's really heavy. So then, you know, sleeping-wise, you turn over and you gotta pick your hair out and you gotta turn over and sleep, and then when you turn over again, you wake up because you gotta pull your hair out, and yeah, instead of laying on it because it's rough, so you don't want to lay on it anyway. Right. Sorry, putting a chew in.

SPEAKER_00 43:38

I didn't know if they have rules and regulations on here. I don't think they do. Uh I mean, I don't know, they might. I well, I do know one thing. When I you you were, I think you were watching the day that I had my son on that podcast, and he was the handicapped on the one that was demonstrating how to how to sign that John Legends song. Well, yes, when I played it with held my phone like this and played it because I you know I couldn't figure out how to bring it up the other way at that time but I played that whole song for him but they uh they definitely flagged me yeah they flagged me for copyright and and I think I was doing some monetization on that show I was actually getting some stars and they they shut that shit down apparently yeah when you copyright like that then they stop your ability to make money yeah and I was just like well fuck I wouldn't you know but I I guess I should have said that this is the song by John Legends I I do not own this we are playing this so he can show you how he learned how to sign it I guess that's what you got to do to get around it I don't really know yeah you gotta like when you post things it it so I have a video coming out for Shelly so um Miss Shelly Kelly is the lady that sings with our band and we do sorry everybody's blowing me up oh I guarantee they're probably going what the hell are you doing? Yeah well and that's what's hard we were late getting started because I mean golly you're on the the other side of the globe well that's uh that was a hell of a time difference they but you know trying to like you're you're getting started with me at dinner time and I'm getting ready to go to bed we gotta go fix his time we got to get started yeah yeah um but yeah it's it's like I said it's you know I don't know now what about your um your you you know I know I know most people have seen you obviously doing a lot of solo stuff sitting in that very chair that you're sitting at right now yeah um and you'll see stuff that he's done on tick tock you'll see it on Facebook you just everywhere yeah I got a YouTube channel too but you have you do have a band yes so tell tell us about the band because I think that's something that a lot of people haven't seen as much of yes as you would we haven't complete band.

SPEAKER_07 45:58

Since I got back we haven't really did any live shows we did a bunch practicing but everybody's got to understand on a band it's it's hard work too because your guitarists come and go your bassists come and go right you know you'll start out with somebody and they're like we can't do this it's just too slow for us or it's just not our thing. Okay so then you got to find a new one so now we've got one um Chris Scott so Chris is the guitarist he's he's kind of young but he he plays very well scott he's been playing for a few bands um he's the bassist Brad has been with me since the start he is uh actually owns a lot of reality ones he's a realtor but this is what he did he used to play in Canada a lot that's where he's from um before that we had uh Narrick Roth Patterson which was with BB King George Thurgood and all those guys um and his son was our bassist and then Jesse comes in once in a while he's a very big worship singer so he travels around he just went to Africa to do shows over there um are you saying worship like religious are you yeah okay yeah yeah like Christian he's part of a Christian group oh gotcha gotcha yeah so he kind of fills in once in a while because he already knows our stuff but there's there's some videos I think on TikTok and uh I don't think I did I put them on yeah I think they're on Facebook too but there's some it shows us in our practice room with singing and joking around and doing all that stuff. But we haven't really did a full show together because when I was on the road I had different bands they'd send they'd get these bands together they'd send them the music that I sing send them my songs and then we'd go play shows and then I'd just go on but so they were kind of like the the uh recording studio yes musicians.

SPEAKER_00 47:58

Yeah but they would send them out to play your stuff.

SPEAKER_07 48:01

Yeah so if we go on tour and say hey you know Brad calls and says hey I've got to go home we can call and get a drummer to fill in because they're gonna know the music.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

That's kind of cool. Yeah yeah yeah because I'm trying to learn all that right now and you know James Lucer just recently got um well we've we tried to get a band because he didn't have any well same thing just like you said it's it's it's kind of amazing how you get people that start and then it's like you know who knows why maybe it's just not their thing. I mean yeah our last guitarist I I we think maybe it just wasn't his thing because he was more of a blues guy and he I don't even know that in rock and I don't think that he did a whole did a whole lot of country now we're kind of dabbling in both country southern rock and then rock and roll and they want to push the rock envelope but but you know maybe that's why why our buddy our you know guitarist guy it ended up not wanting to do it is just probably because of the whole it it wasn't his genre of music per se.

SPEAKER_07 49:05

Yeah that's how our guitarist was because yeah Nerk played nothing but blues yeah when it came to country you know it'd start out really good and then all of a sudden he'd go into blues again and then it'd go into blues he's an amazing guitarist I mean him and his son both are great great people and great musicians. It just it didn't work out and Chris he can play anything you know I played one of my songs when I first it's funny I met him on Facebook Marketplace. Oh really he came to buy a guitar and we sat and talked and I think he stayed here for like almost three hours as we bullshitted and got to know each other and then I threw a song and said hey this is what I'm working on and he'd just pick it up and go oh that's it how do you do that dude yeah that blows my mind and then his roommate because I said well we need a bass player and he goes well my roommate's a bass player so we got him going and then we had a huge show coming up and then I had to cancel because of health reasons. Yeah um so we'll get back out in June or July and you'll see more of the band stuff.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

No we've got we finally got a good our drummer now I think is going to be the guy that sticks around our first drummer it we're not real sure what's you know and it may have just been he just wasn't sure. Yeah. You know well that and you know this whole first year man it's you know when you just start with a band in January and they had and you know and James was solo so he had nobody at the time he's on a hiatus of two years where he didn't really do much. So now it's like you're trying to re-resurrect everything from the dead and getting you know running down that railroad track again at full speed and that's hard to do and and I don't know I think some of the guys maybe just also didn't want to take the chance on not having a whole lot of gigs this year because of the whole trying to rebuild yeah and that's not gonna happen overnight. I don't know if that's it but our drummer sticks he's that he's a young he's a young lad but he's uh but he's very eager like everybody we have now seems very eager they seem very eager we got a new guitarist his name's Lance um I haven't met him yet but he's apparently very good and uh and they're all very eager so they're yeah when I got stuff to get done they do most of mine were older folk and it's you know they're like well we've did this this you know we've reached our fame and fortune it's like well why so but country and blues if you're not into it you're not gonna play it if you get a bunch of rock guitarists and rock drummers and you say hey let's do some country they're gonna tell you no because they're used to playing and country is it's a lot slower one for two yeah and that's where you're just dun dun dun dun dun dun that's it the whole thing and so there's no excitement but we try to bring that back we're gonna start doing a lot of dark country so uh just to let everybody know you hear about all this dark country guy on YouTube and Facebook and all that stuff all these songs coming out well that's ours that's gonna be cool yeah I mean we've gone viral with it which is awesome um we didn't try to we just decided to ai some things and it worked out so now here we are as dark country and I mean that's not the band's name but that's just those songs are what we do I have a bunch on my um iPad and then this guy this drummer guy is starting to put out a bunch of um I can't remember who he is I follow him on Facebook but he does and TikTok but he does uh a lot of that okay this is what this sounds like like Michael Jackson but you know 2005 rock and roll and then whoever makes that song that's what they put out and then he drums to it but a lot of AI stuff's coming out which is not bad i i'm gonna tell everybody that's just starting music if you write your song put it in an AI program see what happens because that gives you ideas of the music that should be played with it if you don't like it well okay start over but don't go in there to have them write your songs because that's wrong so all my songs there's a couple of them that I put in the AI program that I wrote right you sit there and you type the whole thing and you put chorus and do da da da da da da and bridge and all that and then they pick a pick the music you can tell them RB you can tell them pop jazz country and they'll throw a song to it and then they have a singer that'll sing it to see how that fits you and if it does it's awesome because you're not cheating you wrote the music you just you know a lot of people are stuck on like me I don't play guitar I can but I don't so I don't know how to sit there and go oh well what's this sound like and then write music to it I just write it whatever comes in my head I write it down and make it rhyme and there you go but I have to have somebody that plays guitar like my guitarist he can do it he sent me a few he's like well what if it sounds like this okay that's a good start but when you do the AI thing it helps you but everybody's all AI AI you know what you're still you still wrote the song it is still your song right you just don't know how to get it out in music and I guess with AI you can add any instrument you would want yes yeah or you could try it I guess you could you could add it and say eh no it's not really it you know I wrote a Harry Potter song because the new Harry Potter's coming out and are they gonna use it in the movie?

SPEAKER_07 55:04

I don't know yet dude that would be fat ass dude whole you put it you put it in there as classical or movie or whatever there's not a chance in hell that I'm gonna be able to sing like that. Not at all my voice is going to come out in blues or country and nobody wants to Harry you're hear a Harry Potter song in country music that's just weird.

SPEAKER_00 55:26

Well yeah I guess I could see that yeah it'd be more theater stuff and so I even even bluesy would be a little weird for Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_07 55:33

Yeah but it came out cool in the classic part so you know they can actually find somebody to sing it I don't care I just know that I wrote the song that's fucking cool. Yeah and like I said a lot of people that's why I don't have respect for some artists I won't say it out loud but they don't write their music they just sing it and they're superstars and it's like dude man I have a firm belief that if it's your music you wrote it yeah you need to write what's in your head because you're you I don't want Jeffrey or Tom or whatever writing the song and me going oh yeah it's a great there are songwriters that ask you to that is fair. But if you're saying hey I need to come up with a new song can you write me one well what's in your head just write it down and they as a songwriter can maneuver it to where that's a song but a lot there's a couple artists that don't do it and I have no respect.

SPEAKER_00 56:32

I don't care if they make millions at all I think it's amazing what y'all can do because it's like to me to me it's it blows my mind on how you would I I get the concept of I have an idea and I write it on paper and then you know I I can get that but then what really just blows my fucking mind is once you have it on paper then then then there's so many of you all out there that can pull up that piece of paper and say well I think the guitar needs the drum beat needs to sound like this the you know the guitar needs to do this bass needs to sound like this you know I think it would really be cool if this if this song had a steel guitar in it and it's like how do you how do you hear that from reading words that you wrote on paper is just mind melting to me.

SPEAKER_07 57:22

That's where I don't come in that's why every musician or every singer is as good as this band if you don't give your band credit you ain't shit you can sing acopello all day long you're gonna sound like crap yeah they're the ones that came up with the music and that's where Brad and the guitarists and everybody comes in and says hey okay these words match kind of this and they'll play it no I don't like that okay they'll play something else no I don't like that then they'll play and go oh wow that's really cool right there because that's what your band does they get together and they go I'm gonna play the drums like this do you want me to start on how I think it and then the guitar comes in and then the bass comes in because the bass and drums are pretty much not one and the same they're different but they go off each other. Right. Because it's the same thing bass is bass. Right um but the guitarist you know he adds the treble and the mid and all that to it. And see people don't think of the how the band works drum is your timekeeper. Yes he's the one that does beats per minute your bass player adds the bass in it your guitarist adds the treble and the mids in it and then a violin will add high treble and it's just it's a form of where you're supposed to be but without them singing wouldn't be shit. Nope nothing that's why in every song I put out I list the names of the band members because they need recognition too.

SPEAKER_00 58:51

Amen I mean well and you know I've I've always thought that too especially you know there's you have you have some some bands and stuff that sometimes don't they don't they just don't even mention their their guys and I don't know why maybe I don't know if it's because maybe they've got band members that that are more like hired guns because they're not really part of the band they're just hired guns. Yeah but still to me even if you have a hired gun what was it five finger death punch um there one one guy on five finger death punch I don't know if he's a full fledged member now but I think when he started if memory serves he was nothing more than a hired gun but yet everything that they did music videos whatever he was always a part of that picture or the flyer or in the video as though he was a band member even though he was at that time considered a quote hired gun yeah um if if my if my intel's correct yeah no you're right I know them quite well they're amazing people oh man killer band too oh yeah he's he's he's still laid back he doesn't really care sorry I have to look at this very quick no go ahead my alarm went off or not alarm but my front door thingy oh is somebody here no I just have to make sure that no packages were deleted oh yeah do you have a problem with porch pirates out there in Washington not really so our street is very quiet we have two officers that live on it and all of us are very Second Amendment worthy fair enough yeah yeah there was a guy running around the neighborhood and he was sitting on my front lawn and I'm like okay so I kept watching him he's looking around then he'd get up and ride around on a skateboard and then he'd come sit on my lawn and I finally walked out I said can I help you he goes well I'm just resting I said do you live here oh no I'm waiting for a buddy I said where's your buddy live well down the street I said then go down the street I said that my fucking lawn ain't a public park bro yeah get off my lawn you see a park bench on this bitch yeah and I said just to let you know if you're scoping anything out everybody carries guns in this fucking neighborhood and my and my neighbor so my neighbor is Tony Pacula I don't know if you know who that is I don't think I do Nirvana guitarist oh I know exactly who that is yeah oh shit I can't believe I totally yeah forgot his last name so he lives next door and his wife was sitting on the porch and she's oh Michael I'm like what I just gotta let everybody know I'm just spitting facts I'm neighborhood watch guys so how long has he lived next door to you uh he's been there for a while I moved in five years ago and he was there so I think he's been there for like 10 plus years what's he doing now he's uh is he still do stuff or is he just oh yeah he's still got his band and stuff does he that he plays with and then uh uh Chris Brown right is it Chris Brown yeah kr I s right yeah or Chris Brown something like that but he lives in Portland so he comes up all the time we just had a so I get involved in a lot of charitable events because you know I like to pay it forward you know what I've learned or so it was for the uh youth music project is what it's called and they're out of like Oswego or Westland or something like that so I went to their event and they had a bunch of Nirvana stuff that's the theme of the whole party and so they did that and I'm like hey we need to make some more money so I went up there and I'm like hey listen if you guys bid this much on this guitar I will take this guitar and I will have it signed by the rest of the crew and that bid went way up I'm like see just made money for everybody for the youth project so and I did and I brought it back I had Tony sign it and Chris signed it and everybody signed it and we gave back to the the owner which was kind of cool that's cool as shit.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:08

And I just learned about that last year so I had a breed love guitar very expensive breed love and I didn't need it. I'm like okay I have you know 30 guitars I'm sure I think there's some in my pictures on Facebook I had 30 guitars all over my I look like guitar center. Holy shit and I'm like I don't need this many I don't even play them I only need a few so I was on a rampage just selling them all this gentleman reached out and he said hey he goes I'm just asking he says my son's birthday's coming up he's uh struggling with some mental health issues um but I own a furniture company so I'm not willing if you I don't know if you need things or maybe we can trade and so I reached out to him and he told me the story of his son and I said you know what yeah I need a mattress he goes okay so he brought me the adjustable mattress and the you know these are like six thousand dollar you know mattresses and he's oh no here here here and so I gave him the guitar and since then I've been mentoring him and he went from very reclusive in playing to now he's got his own shows um he comes here every Monday all the I mean it's like a 50 minute 60 minute drive to the bar here and he does the open mic with them because everybody loves him he's an amazing artist he's still got a lot to learn but he's doing his own shows and he would have never done that if I didn't meet him because his dad said he just he was part of the youth project you know youth music project school and didn't really do much.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:51

Well he needed somebody to see the value in him and to push him in the direction that he needed to go.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:57

Yep and ever since then his he's stayed out of trouble everything's going well yeah and he's like I said he he did a mashup it's on here um but it's jelly roll and oasis wow yeah it's a mashup he's just sitting here I'm like what are you doing? I said wait let's mash this up he's like what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:21

I said sing these both he goes okay and he did it and it's like really dude I can't that's a crazy combination yeah jelly roll and oasis wow yeah it's uh I can't remember the song that it was for Oasis or whatever or if that's the name of the song that's interesting so while you're uh doing that what's the uh what's the story behind your hat old South Records.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:51

So this is one that we were going to start in Alabama Wonderwall. That's what the song's called Oh Wonderwall. Oh I remember

SPEAKER_00 1:06:00

That song, yeah. Golly, man. It's been a long time since I heard that song, though.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:04

Yeah, and Jelly Rolls Cowboy Something or something. I can't remember what that song is either. But anyway, uh, so I don't know if you know Bobby Hyatt, he's another really big musician.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:15

I'm not sure if I do or not.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:16

Alabama and then King. I see a face and I'm like, oh, I know exactly who that is. You know, and then uh Kaylin Music, she was she's big on TikTok. Well, she kind of got out of it because she had a baby and married and all that good stuff. But we all thought about it. It's like, why not open a record label over there and charge the same price we do over here? Because West Coast, I can pay$650 to$750 a song to get it done. Mastered, ready for radio. Nashville is$25 to$3,500. And it's crazy. So I thought about it. I'm like, why don't we do that and open it up over there? Well, we never got a chance to, because my health never got a chance to go over there and get it all figured out. We will eventually, but uh Bobby owns the rights to the old South Records, but it's kind of all three of us because we were with Tony G, uh trying to think of all the Alex G. Banks, he's one of the original. We all used that name sounds familiar. Yeah, we all used to go on TikTok and sing together, to sit in the boxes and sing for hours, and that's how we all met. No shit. Yeah, and then we started. We went to Nashville with Matt Smith. He he wanted to go to Nashville. I'm like, okay, let's go. That was an adventure. Love the kid, amazing, amazing artist. But it's like taking a two-year-old and forgetting their ADHD medicine when you go to Nashville. It was like this taking pictures and recording that. And we'd be walking to a club and we'd where's Matt Bobby's all? He'd be way back there in the crowd somewhere. And we're like snapping photos. Yeah, yeah. And then he'd get the scooter, you know, the little scooters you can rent. I'm like, you know, they charge your card for that. He goes, Oh, well, cool. So he rides all around, and we're like, Oh, we're never gonna make it on time. And then we get to the hotel, and I was staying in his room, and he'd be up till like four or five a.m on his phone doing music, and then falling asleep with his phone. I'm like, nah, just go to sleep. Oh no, I I'm I'm okay. No, you're not, dude. You're nodding off. Go to bed, and then Kaylin, of course, is you know, comes in the hotel room at 8 a.m. Come on, we're going to have breakfast. I'm like, we just got here. We had one three hours ago. Yeah, but it was fun. They're great people. Like I said, Bobby, he's he's still singing out there in Alabama doing a lot of shows. Um, Alex is doing some new stuff. He was going through some things for a while. Kaylene, she's just kind of doing the mother thing right now, and then she'll back into it. Which is respectful.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:16

Yeah, oh yeah. Just like I got a good friend, Kate Fitch, which she's now Kate Sparks because she got married. Um she's she's kind of the same thing. She was she applied uh for one of those shows at one point in time. I don't and then uh but she's she's been on a hiatus because she's you know had a baby, and um, I don't know if she'll get back to it. She I I think she will. I hope she does because she's very talented. But um, but yeah, it's it's just crazy how crazy how that is. But you know, when they get pregnant, that's the most important thing. So I can't fault them at all. Family first, amen. Yeah, yep, yeah. Can't fault them at all for doing that.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:58

Not even a little. So many things back in the day when you get big, and I'm gonna call him out louder than shit. Chris Dotry. What did he do?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:10

Oh, that guy, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:12

He was, oh my family, my family. I love you. I'm never gonna leave you if I get big. What's the first thing he did?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:20

Oh, was he was he gone? Gone with the wind.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:23

Yeah, left his family, and it's like, this ain't cool, dude. I have no respect for you. You don't leave your family because you're big, famous, and fortune, and all these girls running at you, dude. Your family is first. Oh, yeah, that's the most important. Those are your kids, you know, it's not somebody else's kids that you can just drop off. Yeah, those are your children. You need to take care of them, and you need to take care of your wife because she's the one that stood by you while you're going to American Idol all the time. Yeah, she stood right beside you the whole time, yeah. And then you have to shit on her, and that's not cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:55

I don't like that. Nah, I feel you. Yeah, like me, I'm retired, and you know, getting into this music industry is a polar different than what it was for medicine. Yeah, so like I've had to learn everything, which I you know, I'm fortunate. I've got people like you, I've got people like Wolf and Pam, and you know, and and I've got all these the fans that also help just by chatting. I got a little old lady that I talk to pretty much every day. She speaks no English, so she has to translate everything I say. Yeah, and she lives in Germany, but she is like, and I'm like, damn, dude, she lives in Germany. I would love to meet her because she's so damn sweet and so damn cool, but she lives all the way in Germany, don't even speak English, but yet she communicates with me every day, yeah. And I just think that's fucking great. But yeah, but you know, once I got into this, I I I told everybody the same thing. I said, you know, I want to try to learn the music industry and try to do this because it's fun, it's just something entertaining. But make no mistake, I'm I'm retired. Uh yeah, I'm not gonna miss on my kids like I used to, yeah, because it's just not worth it, the money's not worth it. And of course, right now I ain't making no money, so it doesn't really matter. That's kind of a mute issue.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:12

But uh that's how I was when I was doing painting. It's you know, I was always out of town, you know. I painted every bridge from you know Canada to Mexico on the i5 corridor, but I was always gone.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:23

No doubt a lot. You do you did, yeah, because you'd be gone for because that's not just being gone for a couple weeks, no, or a few days. You're talking you were gone for probably months, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:36

Yeah, because I did the San Francisco Bridge three times because I don't know if you know about that bridge. Oh, yeah, they they start at one end and go to the other. Once they're done, they go back over, then they do it again every day. All day, every day, never ends, never ends.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:51

Never ends and how long does it take to go from one end of that bitch to the other? It's gotta be a lot, yeah. About a year. Holy shit, dude. That's a shit ton of painting.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:02

Yeah, so I go there and help for a little bit, and then I come home, then I go there and help for a little bit and then come home, and then I'm like, I'm tired of painting this damn bridge, I need new scenery, dude. Hell, I bet. But there, like I said, it was it was good, but yeah, no, music is pretty much my life, and going through the medical issues and the bullshit that's going. Um, I had a little hiccup with Ellen I, and if she's watching, I will tell you, didn't make any money because I don't sing and make money. Yeah, that's it's just not me. The band gets paid, or whoever's singing with me gets paid, but I'm not in it for that. I had my fame, fortune, and all that stuff. I just do it because it helps me cope with things, it's therapy, it helps other people. I like to see smiles on everybody else's faces. I like them to enjoy my music. I don't do it for statue, I just do it for the love of music, you know. If right if somebody in that crowd smiles once, hey, they just had a better day because I'm up here singing because they're smiling, enjoying it. Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't need the money, and that's it. People think, oh, well, you know, how you live. Well, that's not your business how I live. Obviously, you live it, yeah. But I don't do it off money and singing, I just I do it to, you know, and that's why I help a lot of people, you know. I I help plenty of kids, plenty of adults, like Matt. I'm like his right-hand man. If he has a problem, he calls me, I walk him through it, and he gets it done. And he's got amazing music. I I think he's got a bunch out on platform now, but I do have to get him to stop doing that because he garage bands it and goes, Oh, it's great, and sends it out. No, dude, you don't do that, even though it sounds good, you still don't do that. Get it produced, yeah. You know, just like the RB song I just cut. It's like I said, it's it's different for me because you know, it's it's my voice, but when rappers and RB and stuff like that, they do use a lot of auto-tune, they do use a lot of effects, and it's you know, hearing it, it's like, okay, that's me, but wow, that's weird. Yeah, oh yeah, because it's a totally different industry, you know, it's still music, but it's not like country and rock, and where you you know you don't have auto-tune and you you don't do a bunch of stuff to your music because it's all clear.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:30

Now, this is gonna be a dumb question, but since I I don't I don't understand this, it it'll make sense, I guess. Why are why are people enjoying the auto-tune? Because to me, to me, auto-tuning would be weird because if if you're hearing yourself auto-tuned on a mastered copy of a song, but then you go on gigs and you sing and you don't sound the same, wouldn't people be like, What the fuck? That's why a lot of the artists with that don't go out and sing that song. Oh no shit. So they say per produce it, but then they're like, Yeah, that's why you don't see a lot of rap concerts.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:07

If you notice that, you don't see a lot of rap concerts. I mean, you got tech nine and ice cube and all those, but oh yeah, still it's still if you go to their show, it doesn't sound the same. Yeah, but now they have technology to where you can make your microphone sound any way you want. So if he's got it auto-tune, you can auto-tune your mic. Like I have a pedal over here that's got uh what is that called? Oh, correction and doubling and and all that stuff. Plus, this has auto-tune, which I never use, and then it's got yeah, I mean you can like I sing uh in the air tonight. Oh, I've heard that. And I have yeah, and see if you hear this switch, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so I use that because it makes the sound somewhat close to it. But my buddy actually has the program that he just hits the button like karaoke. You can start it on karaoke, and he can hit that button and change that microphone to sound just like the song. No shit. Yeah, because that song was actually a mistake. Somebody hit the wrong button.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:24

No, and he was recording it.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:26

Yes, he'll even tell you no shit. Yeah, Phil Collins was not even gonna put it out because he's like, Okay, who screwed this up? And then they played it, and he's like, Okay, that's kind of cool sounded.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:39

So they put yeah, yeah. He would have been an idiot if he didn't drop that because man, you talking about a fucking classic, yes, and I do the Sons of Sons of Legion uh backing track to it. Sons of Legions, by the way, are actually gonna be at our award show as well. I don't know if you're doing that. Yeah, well, I don't well let me say this. Uh let me let me back up because I just overloaded my ass with my with my fucking foot, like I normally do. They are nominated. Now, that doesn't mean they're gonna show to the show. I don't know for sure because I don't know them and they're and I think they're probably far enough, they're they're far enough along in this industry, yeah, where they ain't gonna talk to no motherfucker like me.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:26

I don't think we could I don't know, I don't think they would do my version of it just to see what they thought, just like the new song. Like I said, Shelly has been in our band for a while, she sings with me. Even karaoke, we started singing together. Um, we do faithfully together, and and I think I've heard you do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:45

Didn't you do that one time on from yeah? It's in the studio here. Yeah, that's what I thought.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:50

Yeah, yeah. It I sucked that day so bad, and then she had no, yeah, our whole system was just beginning at that point to add because I got a microphone and an iPad up there, so it was just starting, so I didn't have her clear, and so we're gonna redo it. But I sang it the other day in for her because she is now off to get married, also. Um, she's moving like two hours away, so she's like, I'll do one more show, but after that, I gotta you know pick up the wifey, wifey part of it, and so we all respect that too. But that girl is one amazing singer, and she doesn't even need a microphone on half the shows, she can just stand back and you can hear, she is vocal. Wow, I mean, yeah, she's just I mean, she's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:41

It's amazing how some people just reek of talent, yeah, you know, and then others gotta work at it, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:50

But there's some songs that we need a girl on, so either we're just gonna pay them per song to put them in it because you know, Pacific Northwest that's the newest song coming out. Um, that one has a girl in the background, along with the rest of the band members, and so we have to get one. But my best friend's wife, she sings, and so we're talking to her about doing it, and she's just like Shelly. I mean, just like her, very vocal, very talented, has an amazing voice. But you know, she's doing the husband wife. They just they got married a couple years ago, but she they just bought a house, and so boy, I bet that was not cheap and right now because oh, over here, no, I'd rather where you're at.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:37

Holy shit, I'd hate to see yeah, that the whole west coast is just crazy expensive.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:44

Yeah, because my house right now is a three-bedroom, two-bath, just 1,100 square feet. That's it. It's not very big. Then you got the garage and the neighborhood, a big bathroom. Your house is probably about the size of mine, roughly, but it's five hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Yeah, yeah, that's why I want to move over there because it's a lot cheaper. I could buy a mansion for what I pay for. Oh my god, I was just gonna say the same thing Jim and the Christmas because I want to move to Rockwall is where I want to move, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:15

Now, do you still got your place in Colorado?

SPEAKER_07 1:21:19

Yes, yeah, it's actually selling, it was on TV the other day.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:22

Oh, no doubt, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:24

For the that dude that does the weirdest places or whatever, like that. Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, it was on there. No shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:31

Yeah, oh damn, I didn't know that, dude. I would have watched it.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:35

The new people that are buying it are gonna they they went on the show. I'm like, I don't want to go on there, it's just me. And they have a family, and the daughter sings amazingly, so yeah. I get to go out there, they're gonna do a show next year, not this year, but next year we're gonna do a show out there. Big old huge like festival. We'll have a lot of big people singing.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:54

Well, dude, that pit the pictures you sent me that one time of uh that was uh that was an amazing yeah, it's a whole town, pretty much. Yeah, it looked like it. I mean it was flipping awesome.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:05

Yeah, yeah, it's it's amazing. But yeah, I just I was never there, so it's like why?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:10

You know, yeah, you didn't like verbo it or none of that crap.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:14

No, no, because it gets too complicated then.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:17

Yeah, yeah. That's fucking that's cool as shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:23

But yeah, and I guess that's just a lot of chilling right now. I won't be back out there probably till July or maybe later, it just depends.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:31

Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm glad things are things seem to be going good, and I'm glad to hear that with the you know, with everything going on in your life. No, I'm assuming that the reason that you you were gonna go with the old South in Alabama um recording studio to kind of backtrack to that. Yeah, I guess you were choosing that name versus the locked and loaded records because you were I guess you were wanting to keep your locked and loaded records on the West Coast.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:59

Yeah, yeah, because I'm keeping that because that's who I'm with, and I've got Matt, he's part of it. Um, there's a couple other people, one of them's not with us anymore. He's he's getting bigger, better, and I said no, move on. And that's what I started it for. It's for independent artists, so that way you don't have rules and regulations, you do all our major rules are don't do drugs, don't drink, don't be an idiot. And if you're on stage, really don't be an idiot because you're making us look like an asshole. Yeah, and it's like just don't do that. But other than that, sing your song, just don't forget about us, little guys. When you get big and you're making millions of dollars, kick us down something, that's it, you know. Other than that, I don't need we were doing the percentage of songs, and that just got complicated. And it's like, no, why? But it's just for them to be able to, oh, I have a record label behind me. Then the bigger ones go, oh, he's already signed. Oh, but I wonder how we can get him. And then they have to negotiate because I've been in the industry, they have to come out here first of all, because they're like, Oh, we'll fly down. No, if you're interested, you come here. You want this person, you come and get them. We're not going down to your area and doing your thing. You come to us, we'll sit in a conference room or a restaurant or in private, and you I'm gonna sit in there and I'm gonna tell you yes or no, because a lot of the younger generation go, oh my god, millions of dollars. Yes. No, you got to look at the little fine print that nobody ever reads. And I bet there's something like that. You know, they get 50% of your song, they get 50% of your show, they get, you know, oh yeah, we're gonna cover the bus, but at the end that comes out of your pay, which is close to you know, two hundred thousand dollars a year.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:51

Oh, I was gonna say, I know, I know when I was pricing that to try to figure that avenue out, I was like this is not even I don't see how anyone can afford it unless you unless you're doing a shit ton of gigs. Like you you have to be a struggle ginnings or higher to be able to afford that.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:14

Yeah, because those guys actually own their buses, they just cash them out at a hundred and a half million dollars, you know. Yeah, yeah, or 1.5 million. That's because our bus was 1.8 million. And then to operate, it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:30

I mean they only get like four or seven miles a gallon.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:33

It's yeah, like my dad said, he goes to Arizona every year and he goes, son, it cost me three thousand dollars to get to Washington, Arizona. I'd hate to have to go to New Jersey. Golly, dude, it cost him that much. Yeah, two thousand dollars right now, it's six dollars and fifty cents a gallon for diesel at your all's place, yes, and five fifty for unleaded gas, just eighty-seven percent or eighty-seven octave or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:04

Yeah, Jesus Pete, dude. Yeah, so he's like I was bitching about ours, and it's like I think I think today it was only I don't know. I think today it dropped a little. I think it was like$319 or$329 a gallon. Oh my god, and I was bitching, like when I go to BJ's, which is uh some wholesale, it's kind of like a Costco or your your uh Sam's or whatever club, but it's it's it's the same kind of concept. We've got one right up the street, and um if if I use their credit card, then you know hell I was getting gas just a couple weeks ago for like two dollars and fifty-nine cents a gallon. Yeah, because you know, if I put it on the credit card, I get like 15% off or$15, yeah, not dollars, it's 50, it's got to be a percentage, I guess. But anyway, whatever it is, and um, but I still mean$3.59. I think it was last week, it was like three, got as high as$359 or$379, and I was like compli I was bitching. And I and I'm like, you know what, what am I bitching for though? If I went to California, I guarantee it'd be way worse.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:13

Oh, yeah, absolutely, sir.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:15

I don't know how anybody affords to even live there, but I guess you're in that category too, because I'm sure it expands all the way up to Washington. Um, yeah, I'm sure Seattle's not cheap. I'm sure it's it's in in yeah, you know, Seattle's very expensive here. Yeah, I could only fathom what that's like.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:35

So yeah, it's it's not cheap anywhere over here. California's even worse. I'll never live in California ever. I don't know how anybody could afford no. No, their laws, their regulations, their gas prices. Well, and their laws are just huge, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:51

There's they got some fucking weird ass shit. Yeah. I just don't know. Yeah.

unknown 1:27:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:00

only fathom. Yeah. Now is there is there um is there any is there anything you would like to that you I know you've got some stuff that you can't because it's not dropped yet so we're not gonna we're not doing an outing party but is there anything that you want to try to play for anybody yeah I got a few songs on here that are and they're all copyrighted so and I and I I'm just I was getting ready to tell you what you needed to do to do it as though I need to tell you.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:30

Yeah Facebook I own these songs and we're not I'm not monetizing on here anyway I mean I do but it's not if you guys have any stars throw it to this guy right now bunches of stars I need to learn the whole star thing because I still don't understand like I don't get it it's but I don't I guess you gotta buy it how that works. Yeah it's you have to buy them I guess it's like 20 bucks for like 1700 or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:01

And then you got the two the five the one the 50 oh you mean like one star or five stars or yeah yeah they can yeah they can throw you each different ones yeah I need to once I start making a little something too where I'm putting back in my business I want to I want to start doing that and giving stars to artists and stuff especially you know if I'm watching somebody like Wolf you know and her and I do a lot of stuff together because and we do that to help each other out. You know I get to feed off her people she gets to feed off mine. It's kind of a win-win yes you know and you know the only awesome she's and she's such a great lady man and she's and I tell you what you talk about somebody who's been unselfish to help an idiot like me learn technology she has been pivotal so my hats are my hats off to Wolf for sure I'm not sure where these are in here oh there it is is that it's three release I think it's three all right we'll try this maybe what we're attempting to do is have Mike play you some some of his stuff the reason that I'm not doing it is because I only know how to do it one way and I could not figure out how to go to his YouTube and download the shit to my computer to where I could find it on the download thing to where I have to pull it up send you the files and then you got to put them in.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:32

All right here's this one's chilling in the PNW Pacific Northwest um I kind of got it from Court Court's got a Pacific Northwest kind of song also you know I think it's I was 17 or something like or no something different. But when he was here it kind of I'm like yeah we need more Pacific Northwest songs.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:53

So I sat there and wrote it and this is the outcome it's been played on the radio I don't know how many times they do it but because they never let me know it sounds weird out here that's a cool song dude it's got an amazing point even when she does that's a fun song and it's it's got a country peel but it's also peppy.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:33

It's got that rockish you know with the country you know undertones so what kind of made you head towards the country route too because that seems a I mean you know with all due respect that seems a little i it it was surprising when you started going that way. Yeah um because you're so bluesy um you got that beautiful blues voice but to me I I don't know I guess I guess it's like judging a book without opening it up judging it by its cover so I have I look at you and I and I hear the blues and then it's like but then it's like ah kind of going country I'm like wow that's kind of it's kind of a curveball but I like it.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:19

Yeah it's it was a fun song it's uh like you said it's amped up because I do a lot of slow stuff and I hate it but that's just my voice you know but um yeah no I've always had like a country if I hold back if I get into the grit part of my voice that's when it turns bluesy and just you know the feeling part but country is that's where I started actually I did so what got me on the voice was Brooks and Dunn. I sang believe and I sing it my own way I don't sing it like most of my songs I sing even in karaoke I do them my own way. Right because it's it's like it's you want to make them your own.

unknown 1:35:03

Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:03

Sure you can hear that guy sing all day long. But if you sing it a different way you get people's attention. Right. And so I sung Believe and from what I was explained when they went in so they sit in a big conference room with laptops in front of them and they bullshit and they talk and they listen and they go through all these music was there hundreds of thousands of entries but uh Kelly actually started that song on her computer and then Blake got up walked over said who's that she turned her computer off she slammed it shut she goes none of your goddamn business she goes I'm listening to it so they always fought not in a bad way but they you know so she opened it back up and they listened to it well he called Brooks and Dunn and said you gotta hear this guy sing this song it's absolutely crazy different and crazy cool I mean it's kind of the same but you know I do it different. Right um so they listened to it he sent it to them and I met them um um Blake Shelton all of them I've all I've hung out with all those guys but yeah he had them listen to it and they actually wrote me an email and said dude are you kidding me he goes that's amazing how you did that song he goes I would have never thought so that's kind of what got it all started weird how you can take a song that you could never think of be heard a different way and then boom and I didn't even sing it bluesy sang it just straight country that's crazy. Leave me alone it's Matt actually I told you he gets a hair and it's like ah um but yeah that's the one that's gonna come out there's another one we still have to mix them because they sound weird so I take them when he when he throws them in the computer and he screws with a little bit I take them out of there.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:00

He's like can you quit doing that please because you sound really retarded not shouldn't say that word by the way well you know I you you don't offend me I've yeah I've got a handicapped kid so yeah I have men yeah I've heard that word and I've said that word myself a bunch of times I don't know some people just don't like it no some people do lose their shit but it's uh you know but we're also a lot older we came from a generation where that was not necessarily frowned upon yeah things things definitely took a turn I don't know I swear I blame it on covet I think covet changed yeah everything made too many people sit and think about too much shit exactly exactly it's like just leave it alone it's been working for the last 500 years leave it alone no but we want to change the world yeah Miss Janice said that it's an absolutely amazing song and I put yes it is Janice I agree that was that was uh it's a very good song it's it's just kind of it's a fun time appeal but I this is the first time I've heard that one so that was kind of the side by song they're gonna play that at uh isn't that coming up rednecks and paychecks right that's uh yeah I think I think that's coming up or is it over? Uh no I think it is coming up I don't think I think it's in May I was gonna say I think it's well I think it's in warmer climate too. Yeah I I'm pretty sure it is but then again I've shit I've sent if you're listening out there I did send y'all stuff for our guy you know keep us in mind for 2027 at least you know I tell you that's a thing that I gotta tip my hat to people like Pam Little the you know the booking agent Where'd Bones go? I'm in here by myself I swung my hand and I hit the mouse where'd you go? Now you're muted. Can't hear you oh still can't hear me can you hear me now I did I tell you now I don't know what I did I don't know what I did.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:42

In the comments everything is set the way it's supposed to be nobody's answering now can't hear you what the fuck can you hear how about now I'm waiting for the comments to see if they can hear you if they can hear me I need to drop and come back in can y'all hear me but you can hear me right she can hear us both I don't know why you can I can't hear you so what so I don't know how to drop but drop me and bring me back can you hear me now no what the fuck man all I did was hit my damn hand on the fucking mouse can hear you that is weird. I didn't even know the mouse was sitting that close and I so what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go out totally and then I'll come back in. Alright that'll work maybe I don't know how you do this.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:59

Here I'll remove there you go kick yes Alright now I'm gonna try to kick I'm gonna try to bring him back folks all right let's try that all right can you hear me now? Yeah I can hear you now can you hear me now yeah I can hear you what the dude I was sitting there telling them all I did was I was sitting there talking and of course I you you all see I use my hands a lot so it's like I swung out and I just tapped the mouse and then I was gone. Yeah I'm like see this time it wasn't us that left no it was me this guy fuck shit up we'll take this note down right now oh my gosh well thank god I'm back but anyway so sorry about that well that was a big fucking I don't even know what we were talking about my brain I don't I don't even know what we were talking about either I totally fucking blew that fucking I saw a comment down there candy candies or whatever let's see so uh Janice said I can hear you both and then she put why oh I guess when you said I'm gonna leave she's like why I guess it's like oh not leaving for for good at least not yet okay I don't know oh no so it's a it's a bot oh well you know I can come help your streams and I oh yeah I see all that shit all the time I'm like fuck off I would like to work with Pam though that'd be awesome Pam Little yes that would be awesome if she can if we can figure something out pay her to help us get out there and do some stuff after of course my help improves no yeah well I'll I'll yeah I talk to her daily so I can I can mention it to her okay and just say you know I can't we'll pay her to kind of help us out yeah yeah I think she would she would like that so because Sony's been blowing us up and I'm like no dude no I don't need you booking me stuff and taking money and taking that and doing this and it's a publishing deal and people don't understand the difference between publishing deal and recording contract. Publishing just means they throw you out as much as they can you're on their website so it makes you look a little bit better but then you know it's well you have to pay us to get it you know the audio and the lighting and sound and all this other stuff you have to find your own and it's like well why if you're publishing me and you're helping me then that's your job right but then they give you 25% of whatever they make and it's like I I I get that because it's more work doing sound and lighting and all that stuff and getting the venue and booking the venue but you know they make anywhere from$25 to$500 a ticket where's that money going yeah I know to go pay for that expense but my sound guy you know he does a lot of stuff here in Portland he doesn't charge that he'll he'll like five to ten thousand dollars to set it up yeah and that's for a small show but they still make you know forty fifty sixty thousand on the show where's that money going and you know that's what kills me about and maybe I'm it maybe I'm just ignorant but that's what kills me about this music industry like for instance with in in my situation with James Lucer you know when I first took him on number one he was a solo artist so he had no band and we've now got a guitarist and a drummer and we're just a three piece to start and we'll just do back and tracks to bass until we start getting gigs and start making money to where you can bring that extra mouth in to feed it's like okay because obviously I mean it's true I mean every mouth you add to the equation is another mouth that you have to feed and you know when you're trying to get these kids like him I call him a kid he's a young man but but when I'm trying to get him into these shows number one I think I had I had about 15 shows this year which I thought was good being that I just started with this kid in January. I had 15 shows but I had to reject all of them why because we didn't have our own sound and I'm like damn how in the hell do they expect a a young lad like him who is trying to break out in the music industry to be able to afford yeah because that is like I looked into it just to get everything that we needed so I was looking at two Mackie thumps I was looking at uh a a soundboard which I think I was looking at the a digital um I don't think it was a Behringer I think it was something else and then Mackey boards are really good and maybe it was a it might have been a Mackie board too I did but I looked at a board two Mackie thump speakers I had no we we we technically were going to have to have wedges unless we had in ears and to be honest with you I like having in ears and then having wedges as a backup because I've worked with some bands where the inner ears all of a sudden when they failed it's like well then what do you do? It's like well switch to the fucking wedge and go on with it. Yeah but it's like how do they expect these kids like him to be able to afford to have their own fucking sound yeah but it's it's sad when you have to reject 15 fucking gigs because you don't have and then on top of that what they want to pay you and it's like dude you also want them to have their own sound and come set it up and come run it and it's like do you realize what that would cost if you were doing a festival and you had to have a sound guy an actual sound guy bringing all that$10,000 yeah and they don't get and and all they want to pay is 500 bucks for for a three hour set and it's like hell no three hour set for 500 bucks he's you're expecting them to bring their shit yeah I'm friends with him on here on Facebook.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:22

Oh James and he's yeah and he's amazing and it's yeah he's good he's a good the kids got talent any show any show in the anywhere we go whole band is no less than 2500 bucks right and if they want me with my iPad which is I some tracks some not it's over glorified karaoke pretty much is all it is other than my songs but right um it's it's 150 to 200 bucks an hour. Right no less yeah well and I don't I bring my own sound most of the time so the bar down the street it's we've got amazing sound we got a badass board we've got um what are those speakers though the q the q yeah whatever yeah q qs or what qs two or qs something qsc yeah yeah because I looked at those too but golly man I was like no I'll go with the Mackey thumps we have two 12s downstairs and two tens upstairs plus the base um and then two full boards and I mean that's not cheap.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:30

We're going with a when you run your base at your bars are you just running running one sub or do you run do you run I can only run sub or one so we normally do it like Fridays and Saturday nights because we have karaoke upstairs and not a lot of people stay downstairs so when you have that thumping upstairs you can't do anything downstairs it's just it rattles so but so even with one speaker with one like how how big how big of a cap is the upstairs that where you're running you're running two two speakers one sub upstairs and then and then what one or two wedges no no we don't do any any live stuff upstairs yet 20 yeah it's 21 and over so we do our live stuff downstairs and right now we just figured out that we can get a drum as long as it's not crazy whole setup.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:24

If it's just the standard you know snare and Tom and just basic and they don't play them hard it sounds great. But if they play them hard we can't do it. We can do it upstairs because it's got carpet upstairs downstairs concrete floors and then we have the the wood panels up in the ceiling because they're beams so we stretch them across and I got some more soundproof coming like the what are they called London's or whatever the styrofoam oh those big like those big fucking foam pads expensive shit yeah yeah those are crazy expensive

SPEAKER_00 1:50:00

And you only get like what I don't know, like four or five, four or five in a pack.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:05

And it's like retarded. Well, no, I just did it.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:08

No, you're good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:10

Very expensive.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:11

Yeah, very expensive. But yeah, no, it's just it's so. I mean, downstairs we normally do acoustics. We've got another band that's called Friends of Northbound. And it's not really about it's a it's a round robin session. And we're wanted all over in this area because we've got Brandy Lynn, we've got Doug Cox, Matt Smith, Wade Hendricks, me. We had Rachel Murphy, which I'm sure you probably know who that is. That's American Idol. Yeah, it's like the finalist or whatever. We have her, we have Kimmy, we have Shelly. Um, so it just depends on who can play that night. But Friday nights we do it once a month, and now we're getting so big that all the bars in the whole area want us. So, but we just sit in a row and we just go one after another and sing songs and BS and you know, tell them about the songs and that we wrote, or you know, and if somebody wants to play guitar instead of having to have the the sound on the iPad, we just play the guitar and we sing to it.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:12

That's cool. Yeah, that's almost like it's almost like how they do shit. It's a blue bird, you know, where they sit around and they except they use their instruments, but they just pick, you know, it's like acoustic show and they show up and they just yeah, that's what it is. Like a big jam session.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:29

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:30

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:31

We're gonna have a songwriting thing starting in a couple months upstairs. We just sit around and write songs, and and then we have open mic on Monday, which those are always good. We had uh Tommy Tutones here a couple weeks ago. He lives in Portland, so he comes over and jams with us. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, I never really got into you know that style of I mean, you know, Jenny's an amazing song just because it's amazing, you know, so old. But yeah, he sings, you know, that's his song, and a few other that he sings that come up. It's like, yeah, I remember that way back in the day. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:11

Yeah, that was some good music back in the day. Oh, yeah, man. They put out man, that's I don't know that to me. I'm hung up, I'm still kind of hung in the 70s and 80s and yes, maybe 90s. Because I don't know, man. It seemed like the mood, the music scene there was just so flipping off the chain, man. Oh, it was phenomenal.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:33

Yeah, it was just and it was real music, it wasn't poppy country or you know, like Jason Jelly Row. I call him Jason because I know, but Jelly Roll, he has his own genre. There's a couple people that have their own genre, and it's like it's not like back in the day where you had rock, country, blues, and you know they play classic country on the radio station, yeah. You know, Led Zeppelin and ACDC, and you know, all the old school stuff. And it's back then when you got discovered, you literally got discovered. You were playing in a bar, and you know, Columbia Records guys scouting, traveling at all these bars all over the United States trying to find the next big person. Now it's all social media. If you're not big on social media, you ain't nothing.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:17

Yeah, yeah, and I guess that's a double-edged sword because I guess it's you know, I guess it's really good for people trying to get started. Yeah, because you can be seen. I mean, as long as you're willing to to hustle it, you're you're able to be seen on a consecutive platforms uh daily. Yeah, I mean, people could get to you. I could, I mean, if I wanted to, I could do a podcast every fucking day if I wanted to. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:44

Um, yeah, it's repetitive. The more you're on, the better people see you. Which is crazy. I don't believe in the algorithm thing because I don't think it's a thing, they just say it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:54

Well, you know, that's funny you say that because I I tend to agree with you, and I haven't said this too much because most of the time people are like, Well, first of all, you're commenting, you have no clue, so what are you commenting on? And you're and they're right, I don't know nothing. So I you know, but to me, I think I think social media is just like everything else. I think they they shut shit down if they want to, absolutely, or they amp shit up if they want to.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:21

Yes, you know, I don't yeah, I don't think it doesn't matter if I go on at midnight or if I go on at 12 noon. I'll probably have the same followers in there listening to my music, like Janice, amazing person. She's always in my stuff, she always comments on my stuff, and it's like she's not gonna care if it's now or if it's next Tuesday at three o'clock in the morning, right? She will probably be there. Yeah, so the algorithm thing I think depends on who wants to listen to you. I don't think it's an algorithm, I think it's just okay, mic's on, bones is on. Let's go watch.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:57

Yeah, it doesn't matter what time of day, unless you're at work. I mean because a lot of people were giving me shit, you know, about they were saying, Well, you you know, why the hell do you want to do podcasts at 10 in the morning? I'm like, Well, first of all, I'm fucking old, man. Yeah, I don't want to fucking be doing a podcast at midnight or one in the morning. I don't want to fucking do that shit. I'm old, yeah, and I'm not doing this to I'm you know, if I make money, it's just like what you said. If you end up making money doing this, then that's a bonus. Yeah, but it's not, it's not, I mean, I'm not gonna say it's not about money because everything is about money, yeah. But some people's priorities don't the money, the dollar figure isn't the sole propulsion unit of that rocket for me. No, no, it's it's in there, but it's not the sole thing, that's not what I'm after. And it's just like tomorrow, you know, tomorrow I'm doing that podcast, my special needs podcast. It'll be the second installment. And the little girl that I'm having on, she's actually my neighbor's um granddaughter, but she's she's got Down syndrome, and I don't know how this kid does it, I don't know how she does it, besides the fact she's just so stinking cute. Yeah, but she has gone to so many CMA festivals and she has met more famous people than you can shake a stick at. That is awesome. And I'm like, you know what? It's gonna be so cool to have her on and just tell her stories about how she met Lainey Wilson and how she met Duck and how she met, you know, uh the one of the Osman brother, whatever his name is. You know, it's like Donnie Osman. Thank you. It's like she met him and she's but she's met so many people, like so many people. Yeah. Um, and it's just gonna be neat having a special needs kid, but we're gonna do it at 10 in the morning. And people are like, you know, why the hell do you want to do it? I said, well, first of all, 10 in the morning for an autistic or a Down syndrome kid, their parents, they're probably gonna be all ready to watch the show at 10. Yeah, yeah, they'll they'll be awake.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:04

I tell everybody my hours of operation are from 11 to 7. Anytime other than that, you're not gonna get a hold of me unless I'm on here.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:14

And I mean, look at you. You you jumped on this podcast now. Granted, it's for me, I started at eight Eastern Standard Time, yeah, but that's six o'clock where you're at. Yeah, so yeah, that's dinner time for most people, and here you are jumping on a podcast with me because if you were to wait till eight o'clock your time, well, fuck it, it'd been 10 o'clock my time. Yeah, my old ass don't want to be. I don't want to be on a podcast till one in the morning. I want to be a bit that's right. So a lot of people have argued with me and said, Yeah, but you're you're shooting yourself in the foot by by going early. I said, I really don't care. The way I see it is if my podcast is going to ever develop into something special and good, you need to be and be popular, then it doesn't fucking matter when I'm on. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen because what happens to radio?

SPEAKER_07 1:58:00

Like right now, what's on the radio?

SPEAKER_00 1:58:02

What's on the radio? Same god dang shit that rotates through every hour.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:06

And but when do they talk in the morning and at noon? They don't talk at night. No, they play music at night, they talk in the morning and in the afternoon. I think that's an interesting point. I never even thought about that. Yeah, that's when you hear most of the people on like Mike and Amy, great people. They live here in Vancouver, um, which is about 20 minutes away, 15 minutes away. Um, great people, they're not on 99 5 though anymore. They went to bigger, better things in Tennessee or something like that. But they have a podcast, they're on all different times. You have to actually be on Facebook or get notifications. That's what, by the way, people, that's what notifications are for. I don't sign up with them because I get inundated with DM stuff on TikTok and well, and that's same with me too, brother.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:56

Yeah, but but you're right. I mean, that's what it's for. You hit the bell and you get the ding, you know, something's happened.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:03

Yeah, yeah. Okay, Bones is gonna be on at 10. It's like a radio station. I get up. Oh, I gotta get up early because I want to listen to the morning show on the way to work. Okay, well, you know the morning show is gonna happen. Well, if you want to hear bones at 10 a.m., well, then set your notification to pop up and say, Oh, okay, he's on. Whatever you're doing, if you're at work, okay, you can't listen. But if you can in your headphones, put your headphones in. Yeah, and listen to the podcast the whole time.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:30

Yeah, they just it's notifications. I think it's interesting. You're one of the few people I've found that thinks the way that I do. Yeah, that I think the algorithmic thing is just no, I don't, and people swear on it.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:43

Yeah, I got 22,000 views on the ANA show when we did ANA, which is a casino right down the way. But I did that at eight o'clock at night.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:57

Okay. And then I did a different one at like 10 o'clock at night. No change. Yeah. I didn't hit no algorithm. I it's just something people wanted to see.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:13

Yeah. Well, and you know, like, I don't know how true this is, but Wolf, we're trying it because we don't we we're trying to see, but like when we do the podcast show together where we piggyback with each other and co-host, if she's running it, what we what we used to do was if I was on her show, then she would launch like I did, and then I would go in here and I would pick three things and I would launch. But what we're gonna what we're trying to do now is is we're wondering, uh, we got a lot of comments from people that said, well, we got notification, Wolf, that you went available, but so did Bones, and we didn't know where to go. Yeah, we didn't know which one to choose. We didn't know you all if you all were working together that day. So what we're deciding, we're trying, and we're gonna see how it helps, see if it helps the not the algorithm, but the amount of likes that you get or like follows or whatever the responses is instead of me going when she goes live on three platforms, if I'm on hers, then I just go and share it to like say my my Bones Enterprises LLC on Facebook. And I'm sharing the live feed on mine, but she's getting all of the I guess the uh streaming attention, and then vice versa, and see if it see if it helps. So I don't know if it will. We're we're trying it for sure. It seems like it may, but I don't think the algorithm, I don't know. I just I just find that hard to believe. I think that the the way technology is nowadays, it government and these like Facebook and everything, I think they just control every they just control it the way they want to do it, and you're at the mercy of of them. But yes, and maybe I'm wrong, but if I'm wrong, oh well. That's the way that's the way I look at it. So sorry. No, you this just goes all day long. Oh yeah, that's why I don't have notifications on shit. People are like, Well, why don't you send notifications? I was like, dude, my phone rings all constantly as it is. I couldn't imagine it had notifications to it.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:25

My dog's out there freaking out. She must have saw something on TV.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:29

What kind of dog you got? Great Dane. Oh, that's a horse. That ain't a dog. Yeah, yeah, she's how old is she?

SPEAKER_07 2:02:42

She's uh gonna turn seven this year. She just cut her. So I got this new little tiny couch. I think it's on my Facebook. And she's a big dog, but it's a couch for a dog. And I got it and woke up the other morning and it looked like a murder scene in my front room. And I'm like, uh-oh. So I looked everywhere, didn't see a mark on her. I'm like, well, maybe she was sick or something. So I kept paying attention. Well, I got rid of that couch because it was no good. So I got another one and got up, came in last night. I think I sang a couple songs or something on TikTok. Came in, I'm like, oh, she's got blood on there again. So I finally found it. It's right where her paw comes down like this. Here's her foot. This knuckle here, right in the inside here. She's got a slice. So I finally found it, but then I wrapped it, and I think I wrapped it too tight last night. Now her foot's all big and swollen. But that's I found it, so I just I have to treat it and get her going again. But yeah, no, she's getting older, she's she's you know, hurting getting up, and they don't live much past seven. Yeah, seven to ten. I think everybody says it's their heart, it's not their hearts, people, it's their stomachs. So when they get older, everything starts getting swollen and their bones, but their stomach flips, and that's what gets them.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:11

Oh, no shit. Yeah, yeah. I've heard when I heard that when that happens to a dog, that's bad.

SPEAKER_07 2:04:16

Yeah, and that's like I said, everybody's oh, it's their hearts. Their heart, no, their hearts is just fine. You know, it's the it's the twisting of their stomach because they're just tall animals, and I have their thing rose.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:30

Oh, I was gonna say, I bet you've got it jacked up, and it's probably still not yeah, but it's you just can't for them, you can't get it high enough for a dog that's a horse. Yeah, I mean, you'd have to have a literally a dog bowl that's like sits three feet off the ground.

SPEAKER_07 2:04:42

I mean, horses get it too. That's why you have to hang their food buckets a little higher in their hay stuff. It's just because they do too. It's because they're a tall animal, that's the main cause of giraffe deaths, too. No shit. If they don't have enough trees to eat, they eat off the ground and their stomach flips.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:59

Wow, that's interesting. I did not know that, and that does make sense, though. Yeah, that makes total sense.

SPEAKER_07 2:05:06

But yeah, no, she's doing okay. Like I said, her foot's, but she's walking on it and she's eating and she's running around, so so you know she's good.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:13

She just somehow or another cut it on something, yeah. And I think so.

SPEAKER_07 2:05:17

We're putting a lot of stuff on. I just went to the store and got a bunch of band-aids and neosporin and all that good jazz. Yeah, I was gonna feed her weed, but I don't smoke weed, so I guess it helps.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:32

Could you imagine a dog that big highs balls? Oh, it'd be like it'd be like a speed bump. Yep.

SPEAKER_07 2:05:38

I know I joke with everybody because she'll get these spurts of this. She just wants to run everywhere and jump all over the house, and she's big. It's literally like letting a horse in the middle of your house and playing. Yeah, so she jumps, and I'm like, damn it, that neighbor kids need to stop throwing their crack over the fence. Now, have you always had Danes? Uh no, no. I normally have like when I was married, we had a South African Borbel or any of the Borbel family.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:10

I mean, what prompted the the change to the Dane?

SPEAKER_07 2:06:13

Was the So I had her because I've always wanted one. And I had her, and then I got divorced and moved into an apartment, and the apartment wouldn't let me have it. So then I got my house, and then the owner that I gave her to when she was young, they called and said, Hey, um, we have a problem. And I'm like, What's going on? Well, we can't keep Zoe. I'm like, why? Well, she tore the dog in half. I'm like, what? They go, Yeah, she got irritated at the wiener dog and no way, finally attacked it and literally, not to be gross, but ripped the dog in half. The dog lived, they sold it back together. Oh she had enough, so she does not get along with any dog now. Damn, and plus, yeah, I mean, if you come through my front door and I'm not home, it's not a good day. But if you come through the garage door and I'm not home, she's okay because she knows it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:10

Oh, that's so weird. Yeah, just don't come in my house. So, like when you have when you have buddies and stuff come over to the house, do you pretty much they always just come through the garage? They have to come through.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:20

One of my best friends tested that theory as in the shower, and I said, Go through the garage. And I gave him the code and everything. And he said, Because my house is like Fort Knox, you know, I got cameras everywhere, I got ADT or whatever, and I got guns and dogs and right. Um, but I said, Come through the garage. He goes, Oh, she won't do that, she loves me. No, I'm in the shower, and all of a sudden she is going off. And I'm like, What the hell is going on? So I grabbed my robe and put it on, and she's got him cornered between so the garage door and the door front door by each other. She had him cornered, just not ready to eat him. And I said, looked at her, I yelled at her, and she finally snapped out of it. And I said, Now go out the front door. He goes, Why? I'm I said, Don't because she will watch you the whole time she's in here, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:08:11

Yeah, leave and then come through the garage and you'll be good.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:14

And she did. And he came through there and she was fine. She's like, Oh, hey, instantly. Like, oh hey, how are you? That is so fucking crazy, man. Isn't that nuts? But if you don't and she doesn't care for you, she will watch you like a hawk. And if any girl comes down this hallway, she freaks out, she barks the whole time. No, no shit. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, she doesn't like people back here.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:46

Because I don't I don't know the man, man. Fucking her, yeah, the guy that takes care of her. It's like, fuck you, man, get on.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:52

It's like you ain't taking over. Because I don't, I don't date or do any of that. I've been single for a long time and I don't plan on doing anything.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:03

So well, you gotta get, I guess I get all the other important stuff out of the way first.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:09

Yeah, because that's as you know what's going on, it's just not fair to anybody else to have to go through it. No, I feel you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the whole falling in love and then oh bye.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:20

Yeah. Well, so hopefully, God willing, that it never comes to that. Absolutely. I hope not.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:29

Yeah, well, I will let you go to bed because I know it's late there. What time is it?

SPEAKER_00 2:09:33

I think it's uh it's now 1020. So yeah, yeah, yeah. But uh, but brother, I'm so glad. I'm so glad. Well, first of all, I'm also glad I've talked to you on the phone, obviously, a multitude of times, but to actually be able to sit here and watch the screen and see your face. Absolutely. This is as close, ladies and gentlemen, as we've got to an actual like physical meeting. This is as close as we've gotten until November of this year. So definitely uh just a quick plug before we get off. Um, Mike Clacy is going to make his attempt to come down in November 14th to Oak Grove, Tennessee at the historic Oak Grove Theater, which, if y'all haven't been there or seen that place, it's actually a really cool looking, it's a beautiful looking venue. It really is. Um, Pamela's told me all about the inside, but we are very excited to where we can actually meet and hang out with him and actually have a just a good fucking time. So I really hope that everything stays according to plan and I get a chance to meet him. But uh for all of those who are wanting to know what we're talking about, go to www.southernlightsentertainment.com. You'll be able to see all the people who've been nominated for various things. Sons of Legions is another one that has been. Now, I don't know if they're gonna be there, but I hope they do too, because that would be cool. Um, but anyway, there's a lot of other great bands that are gonna be there and uh already several that I've already started interviewing. I'm gonna try to get all of them interviewed between now and the time of the show of anybody that wants to participate on the Bones Enterprises or Bones, excuse me, unfiltered podcast. Please reach out and let me know if you want me to want to be on the show. I would greatly appreciate the help. I know it's not a Joe Rogan yet, but you never know what could happen. One of these days it could be, or one of these days it could not, and you were just on some random dude's podcast, either way. But Mike, tell everybody where they can find you, where can they check you out? Because if you love, especially if you love blues, this guy's got a blues voice. You there is no mistaking. It's kind of like when you hear Tumblr sing the way that his voice was very bluesy, you know what you're hearing. The blues is some killer music, man. It's really good stuff. It just Tell everybody where can they find you, Mike?

SPEAKER_07 2:12:02

You can go on all social medias under Mike Clacy Music. Um on yeah, all platforms. Um, I have one song on uh all platforms, but most of my music is on my social media that I sing. There's a lot of covers, there's some random stuff on there. Um, my whole album doesn't come out for a couple months, but it's gonna be like 17 songs, so it'll be a big one.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:26

That's gonna be awesome. But yeah, which which album number is that? Will that be the first one? That'll be the first one. Yep, first yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:12:34

I have a single out there. It's just not me. I mean, I sang it. It's it's a good song. Everybody loves the song, makes them all cry. And that was not my intention, but you know, right. Yeah, but it's it's out on all platforms. Um but yeah, it's it's gonna be a whole new album, and hopefully things take off. Pacific Northwest is on a bunch of radio stations. I don't know which ones because I don't ever hear it, and they don't send the tracks to you anymore. Like when they used to do the clips of when you were on, they don't send those to you anymore.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:07

Oh, really? Yeah, you just well, and I would imagine, I mean, I don't know. I I would imagine you you probably don't sit around and want to listen to yourself. No, you know. So I mean, I get it. It's like I'm on the radio, that's cool. I'm not gonna hear it. Well, because I well, that's me. Yeah, you know, I guess hearing it the first time would be cool because you're like, Holy shit, I'm actually on the fucking radio.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:25

Yeah, it's like wow. You know, it's fun to show your family that kind of stuff, but you know, throw me some Johnny Cash. I don't want to hear myself, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:13:33

So there you have it, guys and gals. Check him out. He's on all you can find him on all sorts of social medias. You can find him on, I'm sure. Uh uh, are you gonna be you're on uh like uh shit? I just had a brain fart, what it's called. Uh Spotify, yeah, Spotify and Apple Music, Apple Music, and all that good jazz. Yes, so so definitely uh check him out on all those platforms as well. This guy is awesome. He does he he's got such a big heart. He he does so much shit for charity, for for uh the youth of America, at least in his neck of the woods, anyway. He does so much stuff. So you got you gotta tip your hat, you gotta respect somebody who is trying to elevate our youth. Uh, because our youth are the ones that are gonna run this country and they're gonna take care of us in the end. And we we gotta elevate our people, we gotta take care of our youth. And he is definitely an advocate for the youth, he's an advocate for artists that are trying to break free and get big. Uh, he owns locked and loaded records again. And again, that's for these, that's for bands that are trying to they they want somebody that's not gonna take advantage of them, yeah, and not just out for that almighty dollar. Yeah, this guy can produce shit and he's not gonna rape new kids and new new women that are out there trying to get big. Yeah, so check him out.

SPEAKER_07 2:14:54

We're all about the artists, we don't care about our income, we're all about the artists.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:57

I mean, my producer, of course, we got to pay that guy, but yeah, yeah, nothing's free, but yeah, you need a heck of a lot better deal dealing with somebody like him.

SPEAKER_07 2:15:08

The youth is important and music is important, and with all these schools getting rid of band programs and singing and choir and all the even the theater, you know, they're you know, drama classes aren't hardly happening anymore. We're trying to keep it so you're staying in it, and if it's your own way of doing it on social platforms, then let's do it that way. Because, like I said, it's coming out of the schools, which shouldn't be, but you know, apparently schools want a lot of money for everything, so yeah, we're here to help you get through that. I know ours do and locally. Oh, yeah, you know, especially with the special needs careful. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm sure it's crazy because they think the world's gonna end. Oh my god, special needs. We need so much more. No, you don't. Just get a teacher who can handle them, it's real easy.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:02

Yeah, yeah. Most of the time, you got you got to yeah, every now and again they'll have some issues, but for the most part, man, they're yeah, I've done Special Olympics now for eight years, and I've coached uh three different events, and I tell you what, uh there's one thing about those kids that's just absolutely uh amazing is if you want to see what true sportsmanship is and true, like um what's the word I'm looking for where you determination. Oh my god, they that's they're determined, they want to win, they are so determined. They're not gonna be rude about it, but they win, they want to win, they're competitive as hell, but boy, I tell you what, they also will stop and help somebody up, or they'll stop and say, Hey, you did a good job. That was a good basket, even though they just got scored on by the other team. They still they they love everybody, and not to mention, man, I've got I've got one kid, and and and he hell, he's almost my age, but I've got one kid that is literally he texts me every day of my life to tell me how my day's going, and then at night to tell me he's going to bed and tell me he loves me every every day of my life for as long as I've known this kid. He he that is awesome. And sometimes it gets frustrating, you know. But you know, you you catch yourself getting frustrated, especially if you're having a bad day, because you're like, God, uh the phone's going off again, but then you see it's him, and you're like, damn, you know, sometimes I get frustrated over little stupid, trivial shit. But then I sit there and think to myself, but this kid remembers me. Like my his screensaver is me and Struggle Jennings. Of all people, I'm like, why the hell did you choose me, dude? Me when I got a picture taken with struggle Jennings. I'm like, I'm like, dude, I am nobody, and you want me as your screensaver, but that just shows uh the love and respect that they have, is just it's it's unbelievable, man. And I love it. So I'm I'm very moved by your generosity, the way you take care of kids, even the ones that you know aren't special needs. I mean, he's doing like your average everyday like YMCA kid that's growing up that maybe doesn't have a dad, and he's doing stuff to try to help the youth of America, and that is phenomenal.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:22

And if they don't have a guitar, we get them a guitar. Some somehow we get it, because that's and it even the normal like Matt, you know, he's normal and he's very good, but he still needs direction. That's why I work with him. It's like, okay, maybe you should do this and this and this. If that don't work, do this, this, and this. And then he does it, and it's oh, you know, and he has a loss. I'm telling you. Oh, hell yeah, I'm sure he does. But he's but hell days. Hell, we all have bad days, though. He just opened for shit. I didn't mean Brandon's Brandon Hart. He just opened for him. No shit, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:56

And it's like that. That's cool. That's awesome, dude. Yeah, and what's cool is that you're there, yeah. Kind of showing him the ropes because you know, that's a thing, you know. It's just like my my youngest son, and even me, it's like, you know, I wanted to play instruments, but it costs so damn much money for lessons, yes, and you got to drive somewhere. So, unless you knew somebody that was willing to kind of teach you to to pay it forward, yeah. That you know, because there are still some people like that. That that outlaw uh uh Tennessee um or outlaw whiskey, excuse me, that I had on the other day. I mean, that's their guitars. He amazing guys, he'll he'll help he'll help kids or or people that want to learn how to play the guitar. And he, you know, he said the reason I help them for nothing is because I expect them that when they learn and they get good, that they they show that knowledge to someone else to carry it on. Absolutely, and that's a fucking cool way of looking at it, but you know, but that's hard to find. So other than that, it's like, man, you you either gotta have a lot of money to be able to afford lessons and you gotta drive to it, or you gotta know somebody. Yeah, so and then like in this kid's situation, you're talking about. I mean, he's blessed to have you in his life, and you're mentoring this kid, and yeah, you're sharing knowledge that he may not have ever come across.

SPEAKER_07 2:20:15

Yeah, and now everybody is, you know, when he comes to the open mic night, Brandy is, you know, Tommy is. I mean, all the musicians there say, Hey, you know, we're here to help you, and they help him.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:26

That's so cool, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:20:27

And they don't it doesn't cost them anything, and it doesn't cost him anything, you know. It's just hey, this is what you should do, or this is how you should do it. Try it. And now, like I said, he's got his own shows coming up. That is that is and he would have never done that, ever. His dad said the same thing. He goes, He would have never did it, he would have just played and then gave it up.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:47

That's cool, yeah. And because of somebody like you, that you know, because sometimes too, it it's not you could have like the greatest dad in the world, but a lot of times the son looks at the dad and it's and and it isn't always on board, you know. Like sometimes that that rebellious, like, well, I don't need you telling me how to do everything, you know.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:06

My dad's my worst critic.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:08

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:09

Oh, oh yeah, it's rough too. He's not like, Well, son, you can no, he's like, It sucks.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:16

Okay, yeah, thanks. Let me let me pick my nuts up that you just kicked out of it. Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:22

Yeah, yeah, it's just it's but it's worth it though, because it's like, hey, he's proud of me, he just wants me to do better. That's all it is. That's the way mine is. Not because I want anything out of it. You know, if I helped him and he just gave it up, that's I I didn't do bad. And it's no, you tried. I'm not gonna force him. No, it's just I I I get to help as much as I can, you know. And it's not because oh, I'm a great guy and wonderful. And no, it's because I want him to succeed. I don't want him to go and say, Well, Mike taught me he's such a great guy, thank you. No, I want him to go out and play a really good show. That's what thanks me. Oh, yeah. It's that he's succeeding, or the next person, or the next person. That's all that thanks me. It doesn't make me, you know, you know, two ton Martha. It just it shows me that I do have some input that helps me.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:27

Oh, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:22:28

Yeah, it's my self-gratification, not for anybody else.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:32

And there ain't nothing wrong with that. Yeah, ain't nothing wrong with that at all.

SPEAKER_07 2:22:37

If I'm you know happy that he got that far, that's me. You know, if everybody else praises me for it, well, thank you, but there's no need. I I did what I did because I wanted to feel better. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:51

Well, there you have it, guys and gals. Thank you so much for having me up here. No, dude, brother. I'm I really appreciate you being on it. Wolf wants to have you on uh uh sometime and interview you as well. And and I and I I definitely would love that as well because I just I think the world of you I always have since we've met. I'm um very blessed to know you. Yeah, and you've helped a lot, you know.

SPEAKER_07 2:23:14

You taught me stuff I didn't know, you know.

SPEAKER_00 2:23:16

I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_07 2:23:17

So yeah, yeah, and the podcast, it's gonna get bigger. I'm gonna throw it out there all the time. And I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 2:23:23

It's all and I think it I think it's gonna get bigger too. I I'm enjoying I really enjoy it, and I think it'll help. I think it's gonna help also with the with James Lucer, because like I told him, I said, dude, if I can make myself more known too, then when I'm sending when I'm helping Pam send email, because I still, even though she's booking for us, I still want to help. Yeah, because the way I see it is it takes a whole village. So oh yeah, she's only one woman, she's she's superwoman, but she can't be everywhere. So it's like if you jump in and help her and you you're trying to get stuff for your guys, then it just increases the odds. Yeah, but and like I told him, if they know who I am a little better, they might take me a little more serious. Absolutely. Nobody knows.

SPEAKER_07 2:24:04

If you throw through stuff at her for over here, and I'll say something to her about it.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:09

And uh, and if you're cool, if you're cool with it, can I can I give her your phone number? Or do you know okay? Yeah, that's fine. I'll always ask that. I don't ever give out people's numbers and until I get verbal confirmation. Uh it's funny, I even did it to Pam, and she's like, Bones, I'm a booking agent. Of course, you can give them my number. And I was like, Well, I still want to know, man, because yeah, you know, I don't, it's respect. I don't I don't fuck around with nobody's phone. Everybody's phone number is sacred, even though she's like, Well, honey, mine's all over the internet. I'm like, Yeah, mine is too. So it's true. I mean, everybody's like, Why the hell did you use your personal phone for doing the band shit? Why didn't you get another phone? I was like, Because another phone would have cost me another monthly bill every month.

SPEAKER_07 2:24:51

And when you're I do have another one, but I never used it, and it's like I gotta start changing, but it's like it's easier if they have my own number, you know. Why? I don't care if they call me 20 times, I'm gonna hang up 20 times.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:03

Yeah, well, that's true, and nowadays phones are so easy to wear. If somebody's harassing the fuck out of you, you just block them, yeah. You know, and you can unblock them later or you can not, and whereas back in the old the old rotary days, oh yeah, yeah, you didn't know who the fuck was calling until you picked it up, and then if they didn't say nothing, then you who's this, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:25:25

It didn't give you caller ID back then.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:27

No, and there was no blocking blocking a motherfucker.

SPEAKER_07 2:25:30

Who's your girlfriend though? Because okay, call me at 6 30. My brother should be off the phone at 6 30.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:36

And no god, remember when dial up happened? Oh, yeah, your yeah, your brother, or you or you try to get on the internet, your parents were on the phone calling bitching. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_06 2:25:45

Get out the car. Absolutely, yeah, not anymore.

SPEAKER_07 2:25:50

No, no, yeah, kids are seeing stuff they shouldn't even be able to see.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:55

Oh my gosh, you ain't wrong. That's a that's another whole other story, right? There, oh yeah. But anyway, guys and gals, thank you all so much for tuning in. Please check out Mike Clacy. Uh, such a talented, such a gifted, just such a great dude. I mean, you we need good people, and uh, he's definitely one of them. So, check him out, please. Give him stars, give him likes, give him checks, just check everything. Listen to his music. You never know. He may be your next blues guy because he definitely does the blues and does it good. Yes, thank you. So, and uh, brother, thanks for taking time out of your day to hang with me and bullshit about it was fun, like always.

SPEAKER_07 2:26:36

But oh hell, and if you're not following Bones, follow him because his podcasts are awesome. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 2:26:42

And yeah, I definitely need the follows. That helped that helps me reach also. Yeah, and follow Wolf too.

SPEAKER_07 2:26:48

You're gonna be addicted to her laugh.

SPEAKER_00 2:26:51

She does got a good laugh, man. I like I like her laugh, I do too. Yeah, somebody said that it might have been actually, it was probably you that said it, but somebody said it on the podcast the other day. But they said they loved her. Oh, it was Kathleen. That's right.

SPEAKER_07 2:27:06

And I'm like, yeah, she does have a good laugh. Yeah, she guys get along so well. It's like brother and sister with you guys. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:27:12

She's uh I she's really cool, she's a good lady. I really like her, and like I say, I can I gotta I gotta tip my hat to her because she's taught me shit that I never would have thought I would have known about technology. Her and Pam both like have been just pivotal with teaching me all sorts of stuff about technology. I couldn't do it without either one of them. Pam wanted me to do a radio thing, but it's costs a damn much money per month to have your own radio, internet radio. But I was like, Yeah, that would be fun. I'd love to make my own radio station and have what I want on it.

SPEAKER_07 2:27:46

But then again, it's only like 10 bucks a month.

SPEAKER_00 2:27:48

When when I wrote EMS, my I I had the old school classic iPod, you know, the screen and it was like a yeah, but people would laugh at me all the time because you know, I'd pop in my iPod in the ambulance and we'd be driving down the road and and it Slayer would come on and we're fucking slamming to Slayer, we're like, and then all of a sudden the song ends and it's fucking you know, like I don't know, it would be like George Strait, and they're like, What the fuck, dude? We just listened to Slayer, now it's George Strait, then all of a sudden it's like, Oh, what's it? Oh, you got some goddamn NWA just came on, yeah, and now it's Taylor fucking Swift. It's like, what the fuck is going on in this truck? And I'm like, that's my iPod, man. And I said, That's I put it. I don't I cannot put a any music, I cannot put on an album and do the whole album. No, no, I have to put every time I get in my truck, it has to shuffle because because I don't know what I'm gonna get. So it's like whatever, whatever pops up is is the goodness for the day. Yes, you know, and when you reset it, you don't know it. It yeah, you never know. It starts over again. Yeah, it starts all over. It could be different songs, be songs you haven't heard.

SPEAKER_07 2:29:05

Because I watch movies, and that's what I take off of movies. I'll hear a song and I'll you know, you know, Siri, what is this? And it'll find it and I'll download the whole album and put it in my playlist. Yeah, yeah, and that would be a good one.

SPEAKER_00 2:29:18

Well, it may take you a month of Sundays to get through the whole album because absolutely gotta wait for it to randomly.

SPEAKER_07 2:29:23

But I won't listen to the whole album like you though. It'll come on. I'm like, Yeah, I remember that song, I remember that movie, and then I listen to it, and then something different comes on. Yeah, yeah. Well, buddy, thank you. I appreciate you. I appreciate it, and make sure you follow him and listen to his podcasts.

SPEAKER_00 2:29:38

And then keep me keep me posted on you know the one, the one thing, please. I will, because um, I definitely I keep you right here all the time. Absolutely, yeah. So definitely keep me going, man.

SPEAKER_07 2:29:50

And I'll throw some big hitters your way and get you some more interviews with hell yeah, some other people. I'm sure Matt would have fun doing it, and he's he's got quite the following. And I don't know if you know rec outlaw. He he as long as he's normal, but it's as long as he's normal. Well, I mean, it's unfiltered.

SPEAKER_00 2:30:09

I'm I'm about as abnormal as they come.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:11

But he's so cool, he has so much knowledge about songwriting and music, and you know, he's he's played with some heavy hitters too.

SPEAKER_00 2:30:18

And see, that's what I loved about your show today, too. Is I it was very interesting because I learned a lot of shit. Uh that I I mean soundboards. I mean, you talked you talk shit that's way over my fucking head, but I love it, man. Yeah, you know, because I love just being like a sponge and trying to absorb all that absolutely and trying to learn something new. That's that's the goal for me is the goal for me is not to be rich, but the goal for me is to when I'm dead and gone, I want I want to be remembered for longer than five minutes. Yes, yes, that's that's what I want everybody. I want to be a part of something.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:53

Die a legend and a fucking superstar.

SPEAKER_00 2:30:56

Yeah, yeah. That's what I would like. Yeah, I want to be remembered for not only the medicine and AMS shit, but I want to, it's like, wow, he taught himself how to manage a band now. Was he the best now? And I don't have to be the best. I just want to be remembered. I just want to be people to go, yeah, he was a good dude. Yep, he's cool. Yeah, that's what I want. You know, well, thank you. But anyway, I appreciate you. Much love and respect, my brother. And we will, I well, I know we'll talk and we'll we'll see each other soon. So but thanks again for taking time out of your day to spend it with me. I appreciate it. Much love, everybody. Have a great night. Peace.