Bones Unfiltered Podcast #4, featuring Marc B'z from Hollar Haints

In Episode #4 of Bones Unfiltered Podcast, I sit down with Mark B'z from the iconic band Holler Haints.  Mark shares his story about his love of music, the evolution of the band and his love of vintage collectibles.  Tune in for raw stories, behind-the-scenes insights, and some unforgettable music moments. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:01

Alrighty, we are live. Welcome to Bones Unfiltered Podcast. I'm your host, Bones. Uh today I got a special guest. His name is Mark BZ, and he is one of the members of Holler Haints. As well as he also does a side project called the B Z Town. So welcome, Mark. Yeah, it's just Mark B's. Mark B's. Oh, Mark B. Okay. So that's how it's pronounced. Like Bumblebees. Oh, Mark B's, like Bumblebees. Gotcha. Now, how'd you come up? How'd you come around getting that?

SPEAKER_00 0:43

Uh, because my last name has nine letters in it. Nobody can say it right. So in school, everybody would call me Mark B or Mark B's. So it's just it was given to me.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

Kind of like a nickname then, kind of just stuck.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

Yeah. So I just kind of accepted it.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Sweet ass. Now tell us a little bit about um how Holler Haints came about.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Um Holler Haints was um, let's see how to put it. It started 10 years ago uh inadvertently. Well, not inadvertently, it just kind of happened. Um I was in a band, started a band called Dead Moon's Gray, which was got signed to the Soundmask label, the first American act to get signed in Australia. And we were in that project, and that's like heavy like Doom type Southern Doom, kind of like corrosion conformity, black label, you know, very Sabbat-y. Well, I was writing other stuff that was not like that because I would have been here at home. I sitting here jamming at uh to Rockabilly and like Reverend Horton Heat, Stray Cats, of course, you know, and then the Aquabats. And it was like I really had this, I wanted to play Rockabilly, and I wasn't good enough on guitar to play Rockabilly. And then a friend I worked with introduced me to all these different types of Billy music, and um, it just kind of went from there because it was like a mix of cowboy, rock and roll, western, all this stuff, you know, built in, and then you add a punk flavor to it. So when I went from Dead Moon's Gray to doing uh what we'll call the Hanks back then, back then it was called Six or Six. And uh the first show, oh that's why I wore this shirt today was this is the shirt that we bought um at Cracker Barrel because it's got sequins on it. I don't know if you can't really see them sparkling. But we uh make them sparkling. But I had this tacky shirt on, and I performed out. I had a bass player on the keyboard player who played bass and keyboards, had a drummer, and people literally laughed. They're like, You're not gonna go anywhere. You need to quit playing this this country rock or this metal country, and you need to just go back to DMG, right? Well, as time passed within the next probably year, uh Sixer is what we called it then, that band like grew. Like we were literally playing a show every Friday and every Saturday for four months straight. Took July off to record a demo, and then from we were playing every Saturday from the 1st of August all the way to Halloween. Like we were busy uh everywhere, festivals, we were playing anywhere. Like I would take a guitar and go to the old folks' home if they wanted me to, and you sit there and play for those folks because they're pretty neglected. Um play orphanages, it didn't matter. We would go. Well, Sixer grew, and then we took on another guitar player uh named Brian O'Banion, and once he played, we played the original songs I had written, and then as the time went on, you know, he became a writer as well. Well, the music kind of changed into like it's more like rock and roll, biker, very high attitude, you know, it's different than the country western origins of the what I originally wrote. So it laid dormant for all these years. And here this past summer, uh, Jesse Cleveland was uh hosting an event, and he wanted me to come out and play by myself on the acoustic. And I'm like, man, I've never really played out by myself like that. That's kind of scary. You know, I've usually had a band with me. And so uh we went and uh got used to playing out by myself, and what changed was I was like, man, I'm playing my old songs from 10 years ago, and these people are digging them. It's a mix of like blues, western, and and punk. And then it was like, well, I'm gonna start writing some new stuff. Well, I wrote an album, I wrote 12 songs in three months, and uh at this point I'm at 17. So I almost have two albums of new songs, new music to add to the original lineup. So we have like two and a half hours of uh of Holler Hanks type stuff. So the name changed to Holler Hanks because Sixer had the reason is because Sixer Six had uh had its own, it sh it developed into its own thing, its own genre. And uh so the Hanks just went back to the original concept of cowpunk.

SPEAKER_03 5:29

And I love how you mix all I love how you mix all of that stuff because you know the rockability and the the horribility, all of it. You can mix everything together. It's it I love how that uh that comes together because it's a great sound. Rockabilly is so much fun. I mean, it it'll get you out of your seat, but it's also got killer ballads and everything, man. It's just great.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

But that's how that came about. Uh as far as the name, because I know that's probably your next question, is where did I get the name for that? You know there, yeah. Of course, and that's what my family's from Kentucky, and I grew up in Tennessee. And when you go to Kentucky, there's a family holler up there, and it's you don't pronounce anybody from the holler don't call it a hollow. You know, when I was a kid and we saw that movie or that TV show or whatever, The Legend of Sleepy Holler. Nobody called it Sleepy Hollow in my family. It was Sleepy Holler, and uh, because that's just the way it's pronounced, that's just what it is. So the holler essentially is where you've got like a whole little valley up a mountain, and everybody in that area is related. So it's it's a holler. Some people could use it other ways, but you know, up in Kentucky, that's it's a holler like that. And I love going there to see it.

SPEAKER_03 6:49

Huh? Whereabouts in Kentucky?

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Viper County. Hazard. Uh you before Hazard was the closest point.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

Near Hazard. Uh your audio's kind of going in and out.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

Oh, yeah, it's near Hazard. It was uh Viper County, is where my papa was at. So he's like southeast of it, but Hazard was uh probably 25-30 minutes away. That's where he did all his shopping and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 7:14

And you're currently where are you currently at now? In Knoxville, Tennessee. Knoxville, Tennessee. Hell yeah. Yeah. Now I noticed I noticed on your uh on your Facebook that you do bass, but you also, but obviously you do guitar because uh for all of y'all that haven't seen yet, he's got a his house is killer setup. And he's just got it decorated, as you can see, even by the wall behind him, he's got a guitar on each side. I mean, it he's got all sorts of shit all throughout his house. Like it you could do an MTV cribs on this guy and just see all sorts of cool shit because his deco is just awesome. Look, there it is. So what so do you what all instruments do you play?

SPEAKER_00 7:59

Well, I can play guitar, I can play bass. Um I could do them. I wrote a man a song on the mandolin last night. Um I play around with there was a time I could actually roll a banjo, but I'm way out of practice for that. Um I can play drums, I can write drum tracks. I just don't have the stamina to play like a whole song because I'm just not a drummer, but I can write percussive and uh polyrhythms on the drums. Um man, I can play harmonica. We play a cajon. If we do an acoustic set, we have the box, so you can play the cajon. Uh there's that, that, and that one, that one. Play cowbell too.

SPEAKER_03 8:43

Hell yeah, you gotta have some fucking cowbell. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

Cowbell in the rock. I don't know. I was looking around, but oh my god, I got three banjos here, a mandolin, two acoustics, multiple Les Pauls. Um yeah, that's kind of like it, man. I mean, uh but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

Now, for those that don't know in in Holler Haints, what's your what is your role in Holler Haints for those that don't know?

SPEAKER_00 9:12

I sing and play a stringed instrument. Whether like now that I've wrote a song on the mandolin, we're probably gonna be taking the mandolin on out with us. Um that's cool. And I've got like I said, I've got my two banjos, and I've been playing with the tenor banjo, and as soon as I write a song on it, it'll probably be coming out too. And uh it's just more stuff I have to set up and mic out, and but it makes it more of a more fun experience for everybody, you know, as a listener. So but I didn't finish that name. Um, the haint, people ask me all the time, what is a haint? And it's always like people that just ain't you know been in a haint is an appalaching ghost. That's what it is for everybody that don't know. And people's like, why do you call it it? You call it a haunted house. And it's like, well, I had family that would say it's a hainted house, you know, or you'd be outside in the dark and it'd be like the haints gonna get you, you know. So the holler haints is just ghosts in the holler, it's really, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:18

Well, that's interesting because I didn't know what the haints was, so I was really intrigued to hear about what you know, because it's like holler haints, that's kind of that's different, it's something odd, and now it makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Well, many years ago I was just gonna call um the project haint. However, I waited too long, and there's some other there's like four or five other groups out there with Haint in their name. And so originally this one was Bees Town and the Holler Hanks for like records purposes. So, but everybody around here we just call it the Holler Hanks. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:53

But uh yeah, now uh now how many piece band is the Holler Hanks?

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Right now it's a three-piece, and um we're still looking. I really don't need a guitar player because I can play guitar. What I want and what what what the music itself needs, it needs somebody that could play a banjo and a dobro. That's what it needs, and a violin would be great too, but you could always have a fiddle player separate. But yes, uh if we take on that's what we had discussed, like if we take on any more musicians, then they you know needs to be somebody that can play at least a dobro or a banjo. Because then that will actually step us in that genre that will put us in there, period. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:41

Now the rest of the guys are they all out of Knoxville too? Are all of y'all in the same location or y'all spread out?

SPEAKER_00 11:48

No, we're two of us are in Knoxville and one of us is in Alcoa, and that's just like 23 minutes out.

SPEAKER_03 11:55

Oh, so essentially we're all in the same locale. So hell yeah. Now, do you have a do you have a studio that you all practice at and play at? We do it here at my house. Do you? Hell yeah. No, your house is the perfect place for it, man. Well, as much as I've done all of it, but it's awesome what you showed me the other day. I was like, wow, I mean your setup is fucking killer, dude. Killer.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

Well, you know, when you're doing music, sometimes I can get like a mad scientist and I'll really work on something, even if it's like two in the morning. So I've always having the rehearsal space here because I can always go in there and fire things up and start messing with it. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:40

So for those that are just tuning in, just real quick to recap before we continue on. Right next to me here is Mark Bees, and he is the singer and does some string instruments for the Holler Haints. So if you haven't heard of the Holler Haints, definitely give them a check. Um look for them on Facebook, all your all your typical places, look for them on social media and check them out because they've got a really awesome sound, especially for my kind of maybe the more younger crowd. Um, I I personally like it, but they like to get into stuff like your western music versus country, kind of more of that western feel, so it's a little bit older sounding, Gene Autry stuff, but they blend it with more of your rock, your rock ability, and stuff like that. So it it's really just really jazzes you up, just get you out of your seat. But Mark is also nominated, and correct me if I'm wrong, Mark, he's nominated for two awards this year at the Southern Lights Entertainment Award, it's going to be in Oak Grove, Tennessee. So you've got he's gonna be solo artist of the year, he's up for that nomination, as well as rising star of the year. So if you go to www.southernlightsentertainment.com and you go in there and check at all of the different nominees, you will see Mark B's on there. Feel free to vote now, a vote often, and give Mark some love. So back to uh back to this. Here in a minute, we are gonna in a little bit we're gonna try to have him play a song. Now, since my podcast is new and still in that that constructive phase, that kind of that shitty segment where we're at right now. I don't have the cool technology like your experienced podcasters do yet. Um I actually just finally just bought the damn package where I could stream um on multiple platforms at one time. So baby steps with growing, but um we're gonna have him play you something, but we have to do it through the phone, so it's gonna be it maybe we'll see how this works out. It it'll either hit or it'll fucking miss one or the other. But we'll go from there. Pamela said, yeah, I grew up in Appalachian. Uh so also, yeah, ghosts are called Hate. Yep. So she recognizes that too. And that's Pamela, that's our booking agent that we have at Southern Lights Entertainment. So welcome her. And real quick, shout out to Val, who is always in my room every time I do a live. Val does not miss. She is one of the ultimate supporters that I have. So uh I always tip my non-existent hat to you, Val. But anyway, let's get back to Mark and find out a little bit more about what's going on with this band. Because they uh, like I say, they've got a killer sound. It's uh I just love how just how how much energy they bring to the table. So, Mark, also kind of tell us a little bit about your the BZ Town project that you do and and why is that a little bit separate?

SPEAKER_00 15:49

Uh the B's Town is uh it's called the Bees Town Collective, and uh that is on uh Facebook as well. The Bee's Town Collective is it's a collaborative of um me and Jesse Cleeland. And uh basically it's always me and Jesse doing the acoustic stuff. But we may bring, and it depends on you as a venue. So if you call and say, hey, we'd like you to bring the collective down. All right, cool. How many hours do you want us to fill? Three hours. All right. We might bring eight other musicians with us. We might bring two other musicians with us, it just depends. And it's a showcase to what what the collective is trying to do. You're trying to get people just like it did with me. I was used to playing in a band and hiding behind the distortion and hiding behind the noise of a band, right? And if you're trying to get musicians that are used to that comfort zone, you're trying to get them to come out and perform by themselves naked per se with their instrument on stage. Hell yeah. So that's really, and so when we talk to people, you'll be like, So um, it's like, how long have you played? Oh, I played for 20 years, cool. Why don't you come play up here? Oh, well man, I don't know how to do that. I mean, I tell you, I was scared to death of it. I was a play out, and this just started just last summer because Jesse kept pushing me. You need to play by yourself, you need to play by yourself, just do it. And then once I started doing it, I was like, wow, this ain't so bad at all. I think I want to go do it. But it made me grow as a musician and it inspired me to write, like I said, 17. Well, last night was 18. So I wrote 18 songs under the Hanks flag, you know, since September. So, right there. So, how do you know as a guitar player that this wouldn't help you grow and it wouldn't expand your horizons? You know, so that's really what it is. And so you might get a mix too. Like sometimes, like when I play, I'm playing my Hanks stuff. You know, when Jesse plays, he's playing his stuff from his band, No Return Address. Uh, and when Sellers is playing, he's doing his covers and stuff, which are like anything from poison to you know different country songs. And we might have people playing country, might have people playing rock. It's a very eclectic mix. And uh you just tell us how much time you want us to feel, and then that just depends on how many people we bring.

SPEAKER_03 18:24

That's badass, dude. I like that. I like that a lot. That sounds very entertaining. Now, is Jesse is it is he Cleveland? Yeah, that's Jesse Cleveland. Hey, Jesse, I don't know. Um you you give me a fucking Devil Horns or something if you uh if you want, uh, we could if if Mark's okay with it, we'll bring you in as well. Um, I can definitely add people to the mix if you'd like to come on. I can send you the link. Um, since I don't have his phone number, I'll probably have to send his the link to Messenger if he has messenger, but uh I could definitely get uh Jesse in. He said hey lady. That reminded me of Chit. Hey, do oh no, that's do it, lady. Sorry. Let's see. There's yeah, Pam said go vote. So obviously the link is there for Southern Lights Entertainment, so you can vote for this young man right next to me here. You can vote for him and his and um for all of the different nominees that he is in. And again, like I say, check him out. You'll make you may find a band that you just never knew you were gonna love, and here they are.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Yeah, you asked me before about playing bass, or you brought bass about bass up. I haven't played bass in a year, but when I do play bass, um it's very aggressive. I don't just do like root notes. Uh that's why somebody I think it nominated me for bass player of the year, and I was like, Well, I ain't played bass in a year, so but yeah, it's uh like a mix of uh rage against a machine and tool when I play. So I do pick and slap. And uh, so yeah, when I play, it's it's kind of big, you know. I like it to be big, and the bass I want to be right there in your face, kicking you in the stomach. So but that's uh I mean I can like bass guitar and whatever.

SPEAKER_03 20:15

So that bass, that slap bass is so cool. It's like I love watching like less Les Claypool is probably that that dude is fucking amazing with slap bass, you know, and that was one of the learning Jerry was a race car driver, was like very difficult.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

Took me a week because the way your thing this hand is going up the fretboard while this hand's coming down, and so you have to like split your brain almost like a percussionist on the drums. You have to like you just get have to get used to that with your hands going like they are because it's different, and that was the the barrier. Once I did it, I could sit down and do it anytime I want to now. No but I always thought that was a very difficult song to play. No, there's harder songs out there.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

No shit. But still, learning learning to slap and and having to do that, that's that's tricky. Um well that it obviously shows you play drums too, because you've got to be able to separate your brain. I mean, hell, almost pie that shit into like four pieces in order to get every extremity doing something completely different. I mean, that's that's it's it's pretty remarkable to watch people that have the talent to do that. Uh Jesse said he can't hop in with us because he's currently driving. So that's all right. That's okay. That's all right. We appreciate you anyway, brother.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

Well, of all my instruments, like I told you before the show, I have multiple Lass Paul's acoustics, and my house has got instruments everywhere. But this Ivanes, little hundred and fifty dollar guitar, is what I do all my writing on and And I play out. I use this more than any other instrument I have in my house. I just needed one originally to uh I didn't want to get an expensive guitar to clean up my fretting. And I found this, it came with an amp and everything for like a hundred like a hundred and eighty bucks. And so you get the amp, you get to do a little guitar kit.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Oh, so I did not know electric. That's nice.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Um, the reason it has stickers on it actually is functional because it was such a shitty sounding acoustic, it didn't sound very warm. So I put a sticker on it just to put some on there, and I realized it altered the sound of the guitar. So I mean that's yeah, so that's why the is like it is, but when you look around it, you know, you're like, hmm, there's blank spots. Because I would add and remove stickers till I got the sound that I wanted. So yeah, that's uh that's very interesting.

SPEAKER_03 23:01

Oh, Pirates Club, that's badass, dude. Yeah, so I mean it's uh oh yeah, misfits. Is that your own QR code, or is that uh is somebody else's QR code that's on there?

SPEAKER_00 23:14

No, it's not no that's not a QR, that's just Vision Streetwear. Oh, I can see it now.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

Damn, it looked like a QR code from when you were holding it back.

SPEAKER_02 23:23

At least, well, of course I'm half-ass blind to you.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

So but that's my braille.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

That is my favorite one right there.

SPEAKER_03 23:32

Well, I was wondering what the you know, with this I figured the stickers would have been just for deco, but that's uh that's interesting that it actually can alter the sound of the guitar. That's fucking I would have never thought that. That's cool as hell.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

No shit. So and it's I don't know, it's just that's my guitar. I have an Esteban acoustic, you know, but I just it's tuned in drop C. And that's the thing too with the Holler Hants, you know, we'll play some songs in drop D and some in drop C. So it just depends on the song, and then if some songs sound better and a little heavier tuning.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

But uh go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 24:19

I was gonna say, and for those that don't know, it's uh Holler Haints. Uh correct me if I'm wrong. If is if it was the Holler Haints you and I were talking about, to where they don't they don't do a lot of covers, they are a original band.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

Um yeah, you're you are the covers. There are some covers if we play out, you know, and we're having to feel depending on the venue, people will ask for covers, and there's only a few that we really do, which is Salon, it's Hank Sr. and uh which is like Salons and Mike Cry, do uh Folsom Prison Blues, but it's like a punk version of it. We do uh do some Hank Three songs, we do there's some misfit songs, so you're kind of it ain't like you're gonna play Alan Jackson. No, we're not. It's not we're that's not gonna happen. No Alan Jackson tonight. Sorry, you know, no Garth Brooks.

SPEAKER_03 25:15

Social distortion. Have you done any social distortion?

SPEAKER_00 25:19

Here's what's funny because this is what I had told in the past was when I started doing this project years ago, that social distortion and Hank Three were the biggest inspirations for this project. Oh no shit. So jamming to Mike Ness and I his album, That Cheating at Solitaire, that put me into the like this rockabilly, psychobilly mood. And then when he had that one um, he had a whole album, I forget the name of it, where it's all he's doing all these country songs again. He's covering it's like 10 country covers that he's doing. He did Big Gun on there, and but I was like, man, this is some good stuff. Like it's I could see the country western through his eyes better than I could from look you know through Loretta Lens.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

So yeah, Mike Mant is a big influence on it. Do I do any to answer your question? Do we do any social songs? No, I do not. If I did, I'd like to do drug train because that one's a pretty grooving like heavy song. Hell yeah. I do drug training. Machine gun blues off his last album. Machine gun blues was pretty jamming. So um, but he does play Les Paul, and that's Gibson has always been my thing.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

This is my uh this is the bandit for obvious reasons. Hell yeah. But uh that is fat as fuck, dude. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

Now I want to decode the back of it that says some bitch. Uh like Jackie. Because I wouldn't be playing it on the show and then pick it up like that, and it says some bitch across the back.

SPEAKER_03 27:01

You know what's it that would be fucking cool as shit, dude.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

When we went to uh Gibson, and see you can't do this. Well, back then you couldn't do this and be endorsed by Gibson. With Dead Moon's Gray, uh we went to the went to Nashville, met with Gibson, and um they wanted basically me just to keep the guitar stock. They wouldn't because soon as I get one of these. At one point I had six customs, and and I ended up buying them all myself so I could do what I wanted with them. Uh, you weren't even allowed to take the foot guard off. You can't take your knobs out, they have to be Gibson-approved knobs. Um, it's ridiculous. You can't take the sticker off around your uh your flip switch. I mean, it it's and you can't put stickers on it. No, um, and I said, why not? And I said, you know, I said, well, Zach Wilde has his guitar with the bottle caps on it, and they said, That's his guitar. But essentially, what happens when country bands and rock bands, if they're endorsed by Gibson and you see everybody playing like off-the-shelf Gibsons, what you do is you you rent those per se and you use them for the tour, and then you turn them back into Gibson when you're done. Oh, no, so and I was like, I wanted to be able to alter mine, and so I was like, whatever. So they give me a little thing where I could buy them at like cost, you know, like 20% above cost. So I was getting, you know, customs for like anywhere from five to eight hundred dollars, and so I bought six of them, and but yeah, but this one happens to be the bandit, and uh as soon as I saw it, I knew exactly what decal. And I took two months to uh decal that was the right size to get in there. So and I do have a white one. I got a white one I want to make into evil cannibal, so I needed to have that that blue V with the stars in it. Oh so I want an evil cannibal that time.

SPEAKER_03 28:57

That's fucking cool as shit, dude. I didn't know that's the Gibson's though. I didn't know they were that that stickler. I I figured, you know.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

I didn't either. It was it really it it sucked.

SPEAKER_03 29:11

Yeah, let's see.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

It's very interesting. Let's see there. That's us with six and six. That's a uh a promo shot. Six or six is on hiatus right now. So and then here's the Southern Lights Award promo for the bands that would be uh I don't know if I think they're performing. I know I we're performing there.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

Yeah, you all are, and my solo guy is as well. And then I'm not sure how well I have to look and see the others. That dude, that's that's pimp right there.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

That's that's little Herschel. That's that's this the skeleton's name or the skull, you know, skeleton. The skull's name is Herschel.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

So yeah, I was definitely gonna get into Herschel here too, so people could understand because that was pretty interesting hearing about Herschel and whatnot. Dude, that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

That's from Wally.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

Uh that was at Wally's a cool dude, and that's where we were at. Uh my house. Well, used to when I had a dining room table, I had this giant. I mean, you can see how big they are. It's a matador and a bull. Oh, that's pimp. You know, how many people do you know that have a big giant matador and a bull?

SPEAKER_03 30:27

Not many. Yeah, I bet that thing's heavy as hell, too. Yeah, I love the old Tonto and Lone Rangers, the old school toy set man, which he was showing me this stuff the other day when I was talking to him all on the phone. It's like his setup, he's got so much cool vintage shit, it is unreal.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

Well, then I got my horse bridle or my horse collar mirror. What's funny is a lot of people don't realize that's a belt. It's like, you got a Jim Morrison belt. And I'm like, Well, actually it's an Indian belt, but oh there it is. It's an Indian belt, but Jim Morrison did wear one. Yeah, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

My grandma used to be one of the mirrors that you just showed. I wish that I still had it. It was cool as hell.

SPEAKER_00 31:15

Um, my entire house, of course, is my daughter was born on uh on 2 November. So she is a day of the dead baby, and uh that's kind of one of those things that we do. You know, it was like the whole house, like this display I'm about to show you, that's all sugar skulls.

unknown 31:36

That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

So all of her stuff, you know, like that's really why it started it when she was little was sugar skulls, even have tattoos of sugar skulls. Um these posters, these are from the 80s. So, and I just put them in.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

What's bad?

SPEAKER_00 32:01

This one's a black lot, and it is worth almost a hundred. It's 180 bucks, anywhere from 100 to 180 on eBay.

SPEAKER_03 32:09

No shit.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

And I'm like, Yeah, and this one's worth 50. So that's average price for that. Then we of course have number the beast. We got the trooper down there, killers, those are still. And then we got the bunch of music gears.

SPEAKER_03 32:24

That's a pip, that's pip-ass pitcher, too. That misfits right there. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

It's blacklight as well.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

So yeah, Valley. That way you got a cool house. He loves skulls or skeletons, so do I. I think it's his shit, man. Val is just fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

And we skate here. Like the whole family skates. So we have Jay Adams, you know, that's the character that's a guy that played him in the movie, but it's the real Jay Adams, he's dead now. But there's Easy E with a skateboard, a suicidal deck. That's suicidal. But yeah, we skate. Like I said, we're all, you know, that's what we do. Everywhere's decorated at my house, uh, in the bathroom. You see behind me, we got Raiders. Well, there we go. We got Raiders photos and jerseys hung up.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

Yes. Sorry, we sorry we took uh Max Crosby from you, man.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

Yeah, I saw that. I saw that actually, I think it might have been today or yesterday on the news. That's good.

SPEAKER_03 33:24

Good for the Ravens, but not good for I don't think it's good for Las Vegas, but what do I know?

SPEAKER_00 33:31

But then we're getting a fake Super Bowl ring and a Bo Jackson card. But uh yeah, the Raiders, man, that's the that's the stuff. Let me see. Yeah, I got my guitars down in here, but you can come up here as my gold top, which I did get a gold top because of Mike Nass, but I didn't like the sound of the soap bar pickups. I just like the humbuckers because I still wanted a thick sound. There's the suicidal deer.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

I love the suicidal deer with the social uh uh is it social? No, it was uh suicidal tendencies. That's right. Suicidal tendency had that's just badass.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

That's the one I want to turn into uh with the blue V on it to be evil can evil. And here is the psycho billy guitar. That's the hollow body. That's these are made. I made these, these are not store-bought. I had to go buy two sets of these, and you got to be careful when drilling them because they'll just crumble. And so that's why I had to buy two set out of I don't know how many, probably ten. Only four of them come out good. So, because I kept making them crumble.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

If you push two hards, they just turn to dust.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

So you had to be, and then all you do is you um put them on the prongs and put a little dab of super glue and push them down on it.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

That's fucking all right. Let me show you something juicy.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Oh, let me show you this, and then I'm gonna show the big juicy, the big reveal. See, there's our poncho.

unknown 34:57

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 34:58

And then we got some spores and a and I love that.

SPEAKER_03 35:01

Fancy sombrero, man. That is pimp.

SPEAKER_00 35:03

There's probably six of these, seven of them in the house, like real sombreros. Now, here's a big thing.

SPEAKER_03 35:14

We do have this was this was a walk down memory lane seeing this thing.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

There's over, I think there's three hundred, yeah, there's over three hundred men on it, not up on the deckers below it too. But yes, this is uh how many people do you know that have a G.I. Joe aircraft carrier? And they're living. This thing is like seven and a half feet long. And uh you do have a bunch of.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

Especially in that good a shape, because man, I had that when I was a kid, and shit, we fucked that thing all up. But yours is like that's that's awesome. And you made it into a coffee table. I mean, how fucking cool is that?

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Well, you know, nobody's allowed to put their stuff on it, but yeah, it's a technically it's a coffee table. Yeah, but yeah, I don't want nobody's like, don't put your stuff on my stuff.

SPEAKER_03 36:02

No, get that off the car.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

Get that off the car.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

No, you don't fuck with you don't fuck with old school nostalgic shit like that. Hell no. And then here's Big Herschel. There's Herschel. So tell them tell them the story about Herschel, because that's uh that's an interesting story, too, about Herschel.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

Well, Herschel's a Haint, and um this Herschel's four foot wide, and uh there's two of them. We'll put them right here in the rehearsal area, so that's Herschel one, and then there's Herschel two. Uh Herschel. Uh I really people have told me my whole life that I sing a lot like Danzig, and uh so I just decided to embrace all that. And uh so pretty much I needed something that paid homage to Glenn and the inspiration it gave me even as a as a young boy. And uh so the skull is kind of danziggy, but it's not because it's a steer and it's you know it's not a demon head. But yeah, Herschel's the Haint, and uh that's what he is. We do want to get a mascot head made to where Herschel is uh you know walking around on stage like Iron Maiden has Eddie. That's kind of what we were going for.

SPEAKER_03 37:17

That would be bad.

SPEAKER_00 37:22

Like, yeah, there's sugar skulls everywhere. My house, uh the upstairs bathroom is decorated, it's painted. Like you, when you walk in there, you're walking in a little Mexico. Everything's like mustard yellow. I got flags hanging up, you know, on the ceiling. But yeah, it's uh that's different stuff, man. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 37:40

So yeah, I mean that's a cool thing.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

My daughter.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

My daughter. Yeah. And then my son, his his symbol is the jump it back in the sort of bracket. My son's little symbol he is get associates with is the death head moth. So anytime I'm out buying something, yeah. So if I find anything and I see a death head moth, then I'll buy it. Like it's a little jar or a glass or something, then I'll buy it for him. And I'll do that. Sometimes, if you watch my videos, you get to meet little Nas. And uh this is Nasferato, but he's pinning.

SPEAKER_03 38:24

I was gonna say, dude, that's old school right there. That's pimp.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

I bought a bunch of dolls just to get him, and then I gave the other ones away because this is the only one I wanted. But he's in black and white, that's why he's gray like he is. He's the like a black and white edition. And I was like, man, that just because on video it contrasts, like he's contrasting against my shirt right now. You know, like dang, it just looks cool. But yeah, he's got his old jacket. But yeah, sometimes when I record videos of me, you know, playing a song, I'll put him at the bottom of the camera, you know, like he's peeking on people and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:01

Yeah, in my bedroom, I have a picture. It says like Mark B's in Little Noss. I mean, he's so tiny, his fangs ain't gonna penetrate your skin, so he's not a threat. So where'd you get him at? I found him on Facebook Marketplace. Oh, no shit. The guy was doing the hunchback in Notre Dame, and he was selling the monster from Jeepers Creepers and some other ones, and it was 20 bucks for all of them. And so I just wanted him. So I was like, I'll get it just for him, just period, just regardless. So, and that's what I did. But I took Jeepers Creepers and put him on my my little son, 16, and I put it in his uh up in his top of his curtains, looking down at him, see how long it would be before he even realized, like, like, oh man, there's something up there standing. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:50

Well, yeah, I forgot. That's right. He you were nominated too uh when we were talking about uh just glanced at my paper. I did forget it was bass bass player as well. Uh I think that bass was the big thing because on your on your Facebook it I think it shows bass. I don't even know if it shows guitar. So I think that's why that's why I wanted to make sure because I wanted everybody to know you did both. Because I knew you had done, obviously, I saw your stuff earlier. So that's really fuck, really fucking cool. Now, what do y'all got? What do y'all got lined up? Y'all got any gigs lined up within this next month or so?

SPEAKER_00 40:27

Anything on Passion Day or No, there's one on the 21st of this month. It's a collective show, it's a showcase, but the collective will be there. Uh that's one that's Pam's showcase. Pam Little from Southern Lights. That's one of her showcases. Uh, but me and Jesse will be there to perform. We also have um at this point in time, there's 15 shows scheduled right now between now and December 5th. So, and then right and to add to that, I've got like today on my list of venues to look in: one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. I have 11, 12. And then I got 12 more venues to you know to sit down and work out contact with. So I just see.

SPEAKER_03 41:23

If Pam wants to jump in, I'll bring her in. She may or may not. I didn't give her no notice, but she's still in here and stuff. And I was like, well, hell, if she wants to come in too, we can bring Miss Pam in and talk a little bit about the award show and whatnot that you're gonna be a part of. Um, I'm assuming you're doing two songs when when we're there at the show on November 14th. Do you know what songs you're gonna perform at the award show or or is that still up in the air for you?

SPEAKER_00 41:51

Um, well, she said to fill 10 minutes, and so which would be around two songs, but I don't know yet because songs I thought because I'm writing stuff all the time. And so like the song that was my favorite song in January is not my favorite song now. So that just really depends. It depends on the crowd, too. You know, sometimes I'll get there and I'll just have to you have to fill the people out. And if they you know, if they're lively and want to get rowdy, then we'll just pick the song, you know, according. And if they're kind of calm and locked out, then we'll do that too.

SPEAKER_03 42:28

Absolutely, ain't nothing wrong with that. Well, again, anybody who's just walking in, pardon me. This is Mark Bees. He's with Holler Haints. So this is our first time doing the live stream to where I'm on multiple platforms. So for all the people out in Kick, um, obviously I have no followers. I just started Kick, just learned about this on a podcast the other day. So anybody who happens to be in the kick stream world right now watching us, I really appreciate you tuning in. Uh, my name's Bones, Bones Enterprises LLC puts on the Bones Unfiltered podcast. Um, so I get the privilege to meet people like him. Um, and I'm gonna be doing a lot of different uh artists probably on Tuesdays. I know 10 o'clock is a weird time. There's a lot of people that are like, Man, you're a dumbass, dude. Why are you keep putting shit at 10? You should be doing it at prime time. Well, as of right now, I just don't fucking want to. I'm you know, I'm older, I don't really know, you know, I'm I'm spending quality time with family. So uh well eventually I do eight o'clock, maybe, um, especially if this takes off, which so far it seems like it's growing, which is good. So we may eventually start doing some at at eight, but a lot of times I'm just gonna continue to do it ten. This is when I'm up. And a lot of the people that that follow up me and and whatnot are always they're available to watch. It will stream after the fact on the social media platforms. So currently Currently we're on kick. Currently we're on um uh Facebook and I'm gonna try to get some of the others like TikTok and stuff, if it's possible, to add that to my list, uh baby steps. But I really appreciate Mark coming on. And here in a second, like we were talking, we're gonna have Mark play you something. Now we got to do it through the phone. So the problem with that, you know, I'm growing, it's baby steps, so I don't have the cool shit like Joe Rogan has. I'm not that awesome. So we're gonna try this through the phone. Hopefully, the sound quality will be good enough where you all can kind of get an understanding. Eventually, I'm I need to I'm gonna learn and try to purchase what I need to be able to make things better. But I've got to meet the right people. I gotta have people like him help me learn shit and teach shit. He gave me some insight on different music stuff the other day when we talked. So it's baby steps with this podcast. But thanks everyone who has been tuning in so far, listening to the Holler Hants today. So I'm gonna kick it to Mark now. We're gonna see how this rolls. But uh, Mark, if you want, man, you can rock something out for us. I'd love to hear it, brother.

SPEAKER_00 45:13

Then we can do a coffee break while it plays.

SPEAKER_03 45:16

And then we can do a coffee break while it plays. That's right. Here we go. All right, yeah. Yeah, it it's kinda better work. It might be a little it might be a little better, but it's still it's still iffy. Well, you know, we're trying, Peeps. I mean, you know, you get what you get. On a low budget podcast, this is like the EBT of podcasting. So uh, you know. Does that make it better or worse? I think that's a little bit better. I know the quality wasn't the best because we had to do it through the phone, but you all get a general idea. And while you you know, the best thing to do, obviously, in this situation, because we're still in baby step modes growing, is to definitely just go hunt out Holler Haints and check them out. They've got shit on uh I'm sure what YouTube, definitely Facebook. So uh, you know, definitely go to them and then actually pull up videos that are actually set up to where you you know you can do uh you can actually listen to them a little bit better than the phone. And eventually I'll learn. My bad, brother.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

What'd you say?

SPEAKER_03 48:50

Um so let's check see if we can let's try it again. Yeah, who gives a shit? We'll try it. People at least get the idea, and if they don't like it, then you know fucking mute your shit while we're doing this. That's fine. Then we can reach reach zoom to normal. Uh that one's it's about the same. It's having it's it hits hard and then it it kind of fades in and out. You know, I well it gives me some homework. I'll have to learn how to fucking do this, you know. Eventually I'll I'll learn how to get something in. There's probably a way that I can use I have music or movie and fucking add shit and then make audio and then maybe add it to this. I don't know. Now that especially now that I just bought the plan for the the core, maybe that'll help. Uh give me some uh better options to do things. I'll have to definitely fuck with it and see what's going on. Let's see, we got comments. Oh, Pamela says wardrobe change, and he yes, he did do a quick wardrobe change.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

Well, I sure got hot sitting here.

SPEAKER_03 50:23

She said play live. Well, I mean, I guess you could always try to play live, I guess. But it would be an acoustic thing.

SPEAKER_00 50:30

Yeah, I don't have the I don't have any distortion on it.

SPEAKER_03 50:37

Yeah, unfortunately this isn't working. I can't hear. Yeah, Pam said, well, well, we tried it. We yeah, it was worth a shot, you know. But anyway, people can still do the clicks and you know, go and search for this guy. Check him out, especially if you like Rockability, if you like that that rocked up version of stuff, stuff to get you out of your seat and moving. Uh, you know, definitely want to check out Holler Haynes because they they definitely have something that will probably tweak your interest because of the way that they are a big melting pot of a lot of different music genres. And um, and it and it works out really good. So definitely check them out if you like it. If you you know they definitely got a bluesy sound, they got a rockabilly sound, they you know, they got some songs that have that old western sound, and I'm not talking country per se. I'm talking like the old school western shit. So uh kind of what uh what Mark talks as uh chicken picking, you know, that kind of good stuff. But um yeah, holler hang. So we're definitely glad to have him here, and uh and look at I see man hanging in the background, peeping at everybody. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

Stop it.

SPEAKER_03 51:55

So um so tell us a little bit about uh like who does what who who are the guys the key players in your band and what what positions do they do for you?

SPEAKER_00 52:06

Um I play guitar and sing. Brian Sellers plays drums and then uh Jesse Cleland's playing bass.

SPEAKER_03 52:16

Nice. So that was the guy the playing drum, was he the one the other night that was also doing the uh tapping on the box when you all were at your last gig? Yeah, it is, and he plays guitar too as well, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_02 52:29

He does, yeah. He performs that that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 52:32

Was he was uh he's just a solo artist, you know. He's got like an hour of his, you know, he does his one hour set, so oh no shit.

SPEAKER_03 52:41

So he's got his own solo side project as well.

SPEAKER_00 52:45

Dude, he's a damn good singer, but he don't want to hear it. It's like dude, you sound awesome. It's like no, I don't. He's very humble about his singing ability, but yeah, he's a damn good singer.

SPEAKER_03 52:57

And Mark, uh just to let everybody know, Mark's stuff was uh Pam just posted it in our comment section. Uh so you where you can find the the Holler Haynes at on YouTube. So she put a link that way it saves you the time. You don't even have to go hunting and picking now. Just go down in our comment section down below, find that link, click on it, and it'll take you to where some Holler Haynes stuff is on YouTube. That's what I was looking at as well this morning. So definitely go there, check out. Like I say, they got all sorts of different stuff, and you can and from there, you can also hit uh the bees town. You can find that too. So I mean, it's once you go down that rabbit hole, it'll allow you to explore everything that this young man right here is doing. So I'm really, really glad to have you on the show today, dude. That fucking hat is the shit, brother. I like that one. That that cowboy hat almost has it's almost like if a cowboy hat and a and a sombrero had a had a a hat baby, that's what that would be. And I like that.

SPEAKER_00 53:56

Well, let's talk about this for a second. Um yeah. This is what I tell folks is I really don't dress in like white people cowboy clothes because they're kind of bland and kind of earth tone. Because now that Yellowstone got blue, nothing's very flashy. Everything, all the like if you go to Boot Barn, which is our local big store, all your boots in the men's department are just like brown. You know, they're kind of faded out, there's nothing that looks good, nothing fancy, nothing flashy. I mean, right now I'm wearing snakeskin boots. I got like eight pairs of snakeskin boots. Um, when I buy my western stuff, like this hat, it's funny you said that because we have a Mexican flea market here, and uh that's where I get my Western stuff because even the hat bands, you know, it's all badass, dude.

SPEAKER_03 54:48

I love the top of the top. It's just like a little belt bottle. Oh, it's like a belt, dude. That's badass.

SPEAKER_00 54:56

Yeah, yeah, when I saw that, I was like, I'm getting one. But all your leatherware, see, I don't have any down here. I got little knife pouches, anything you want. Um, the stuff's flashy. You know, your clothes have the sequins on it. I dress flashy no matter what. If I didn't play music, I would dress that way anyway. So it's nothing new for me. Um, I don't like wearing just bland looking clothes. I'm wearing always wearing jewelry. It's just this is and people's like, wow, you dressed up for your show. It's like, no, this is my normal clothes. And um in the colder months, I will dress more like a like a cartel member, more of a western, like I'll be wearing a dress shirt with a western vest over it and have a pocket watch and things of that nature with a blazer. Um, and that's a thing too. If you go to boot barn to get a blazer that has very minimal piping on it, it's like$200. But you can go to the Mexican flea market and for$60, it's up the arms, it's embroidered down the back, it's embroidered on the chest. And it's just to me, that's if you're gonna dress cowboy, then that's the way you need to. I mean, there's a difference between Western and Cowboy.

SPEAKER_03 56:07

Yeah. Absolutely. Well, that fucking hat is the shit, dude. That is that's one of the coolest fucking cowboy hats I've seen.

SPEAKER_00 56:16

And I've got like six hats. I'm trying to think, but yeah, all your shirts. So I'm telling you, man, if you want, I tell you, go, it's in Alcola Highway, and uh, I don't know if you know the name of it. It used to be Green Acres. Everybody calls it the Mexican flea market, obvious for obvious reasons, but no westernware, like literally, they'll have an outdoor booth with like 50 pairs of snakeskin boots. They'll have all your western shirts, all your western jackets, all your embroidered jeans, like anything you want. If you want leather, knife pouches, leather phone carriers, cowboy hats, like that's where you get the stuff, like the vaquero type stuff. So that's in the belts. Oh man, you should see some of my belts. I got horsehair belts, cow hair belts. I got belts with the fancy little metal squares all over them. I mean, it's uh in the bigger, and I've probably got 40 buckles, you know, from big things to small things. It's just yeah, that's my that's my place. Even probably 15 years ago, we used to ride the motorcycles out there. So very big Spanish influence on my mind as far as you know, culture and dress. Um, that's why people ask me all the time, are you from California? And I'm like, Do I sound like I'm from California? Yeah, no, not even close.

SPEAKER_03 57:34

Yeah. Well, I think I think it's fucking badass. I love the sugar skulls. Now I mean, obviously, not as big a fanatic as you are because your your house is just littered with them and your fucking tats. I'll have to show them sometime when I take my shirt off. I'll show them that I, you know, I've got a I've got a makeshift Herschel on my sh on the back of my neck too. From it's obviously mine means something different to me, but but uh I I I definitely when I saw your emblem, I loved it. And dude, that those those tats make me think of fucking uh Danny Trejo, dude, with his big the big trailer. That's fucking cool as shit, dude.

SPEAKER_00 58:18

Yeah. My son has done a lot of my tattoos, and uh it's funny because me, my daughter's older, she thinks she's probably 23, and uh she's covered from sleeves, chest, she's starting on her back. But when when they were little, I didn't start tattooing until I was 35. And I figured if I died at 70, that way I've lived the first half of my life with no tattoos. And so when she was little, Kat Bon D had that TV show, I forget the name of it, but she you know, it's like at one of those drama shows. Yeah, and she was like, I want to look like her when I grow up, and so nobody pushed her, nobody told her to. She just once she turned like 19, she just started tattooing herself, you know, and started doing it. So now she's uh and then my son actually does tattoos here at the house.

SPEAKER_03 59:12

No shit. So that's it. Well, he did. I mean, the stuff that he's done on you, he does a good job. That's for damn sure.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

Without getting naked, I can show my he's done everything on my leg. So he put the little cityscape done around my sock, and then he's done my Raider skull, he's done my 50. And then we get to the uh low rider, and then you got your the black hole, which is the uh Raiders fan club. The LA Kings, you know. So yeah, he did all those, and it just hasn't put filler, you know, in the background of that one yet.

SPEAKER_03 59:55

Uh yeah, it definitely takes time. Well I'm like you, I didn't get started on tattoos until I was in my 40s. And uh I started off with one and then it just exploded. But and of course, everything I've got, so you know, it's yeah, nothing that I've got, it's kind of very much like you. Everything is sentimental. It always there's always a story behind it, and it was not something where you just went in and you just said, I want that off the wall right there. You know, I didn't uh to me, I'm like, no, I don't I don't want to just get something picked random off a numbered wall. I'm like, no, it's gotta have a story, or there's no sense in having it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:31

You need to only one I did I wanted a um I did do that with one tattoo on my hand, and I wanted an original Sailor Jerry design. So that was one I did pick off the wall.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:46

And uh when my sparrow now I can see that, yeah. Because they've got uh they have the old school like vintage kind of shit, then it yeah, you're gonna pick something that's pretty similar. But the old Sailor Jerry was all does it go with anything?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:03

No, but it sure looks cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

So and as long as you like it, who gives a fuck? But yeah, you got a hell of a lot more tattoos than I figured you did. But yeah, you got you got some nice work. You're definitely thank you're definitely starting to run out of canvas. That's for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:21

I've done some tattoos on myself, so have you really? So yeah, you I haven't tried that. I got one. Um, the easiest way, and I know it sounds pussy, but if you buy that numbing cream, because I've done the tattoos just sticking myself, and once your adrenaline hits, you know, it's just a different story. But when I've numbed myself before and then put the stencil and tattooed it, dude, it's just like sticking somebody else. You don't even think about it. You can focus on actually doing what you need to rather than dealing with, you know, the trauma. So that's a whole lot easier and a whole lot nicer to do. That's what I feel like it is. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:05

Yeah, that's that's one thing I've definitely not tried. Was I don't, you know, definitely haven't done that. Probably won't. But that is a good idea, though. I mean, if you numb it, like you say, it sounds pushy as well. It does, but it doesn't, because if you're using it to numb the pain because you're doing it to yourself, at least it allows you to be more precise and do a better quality work versus end up fucking it up because you know, because there ain't no take back. Once you start, you gotta stop, and it is what it is. So if you fuck it up, you gonna wear it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:43

And that raises logo on my leg, like I shaded the helmet in gray. I was practicing the gray wash with the where you water down your ink, and you can't sit there and do these circles. I mean, you can, but where it was at on my shin and the way it wrapped around, I also you also have to practice using the numbing cream. Because if you don't know how to use it, then you're gonna act like, well, this stuff doesn't work right. Now you got to put that stuff on, then you gotta wrap it tightly with like saran wrap for an hour. But if you barely if you dab it on and it's thick in some places and thin in others, as you're tattooing, you won't feel nothing, then you're gonna feel a whole lot of pain and then nothing again. So you have to get that stuff even, and that's kind of what I did on my leg, and I was sitting there just making those circles and you know, shading all that in. So, and it was nice to have it numbed where I could focus on technique and depth as opposed to like man, this really hurts. Right. But the numbest thing lasts for like an hour, hour and a half, and if you go longer than that, you yeah, you start feeling it.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:47

So does your son does he got his own room at your place where he can uh he does where he does his tattoo gear or oh yeah, he's probably got four guns and then he's got his uh he's got his uh benches and tables to lay you on and sit you down.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:04

I mean he's got different things.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:05

So does he bring in outsiders too? Like well, if somebody shows up to do do the work, he'll come, he'll bring them in and they'll sit for a few hours and do some shit. Or is it at your house for you all, like for you for family?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:20

Dude, you know how hard it is to get him to give me an appointment? No shit. I've been wanting an appointment for three months now. No, he's he'll have people come over because uh you get used to it, you know. People pull up and you're like, who the hell's here? And then it comes in. Um it's cold here. I'm getting stuck today. Oh yeah, come on in. And so now it's just when people show up, you know, because he has a lot of return customers, and so they'll show up and then obviously he's upstairs going up, and so he already knows and he's expecting them. So he does about two tattoos a week at this point. Plus, the obvious I mean he's a he got a day job as a supervisor at uh at UPS.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:57

So yeah, fuck, dude. Oh, he's he's got his shit square then because that's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:03

Yeah, so the tattoos that's pocket money, but that's his artistic release, and that's something I wanted to talk about too. Is I think it's cool the fact that the Williams family can like, you know, you got Hank Jr., you got Williams Jr., then you got Hank Three, you got Hank Four, then you got the other guy, Sandy's Hank Four, and then there's a granddaughter, but they do music, and it's like I can't get but my kids, I can't get them to play music, but they're artistic in their own ways. Like my son could draw damn good, and then he turned into doing tattoos. My daughter can paint and can sculpt good, but she doesn't do tattoos or nothing like that. Her drawings are okay, however, but her painting and her sculpting, whereas my son can't very paint very well. You know, it's just he can draw with pencils and stuff, but he can't, you know, it's weird. And then I can do music and do it that way. But my little son, he has a natural sense of time. Like he could play the drums better than you know the other two. But he had at this point at 16, he's not shown any interest. So, but at the same time, when I was 16, skating, just like he is too, because he's an advocate skateboarder. Um, that's about the time I started writing poetry. And by my senior year in high school, is when I had my first band called Black Skull. And we were basically doing misfit covers and some Danzig songs and like three originals that I had written. And so, but that's kind of where music started for me back then. And then throughout life, is life events happen. You know, you take two and three to five years off, and then you come back to music, and you know, so yeah, and at 16, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:51

You know, I remember being young too. I didn't know well, shit, I'm 52. I still don't know what I want to be when I fucking grow up. It's you know, I'll be dead before I figure it out, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:01

And that's what's so funny. It's like I'm 52, and it's just like I still feel like I'm 25.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:09

You know, sometimes you look in the mirror and be like, who's that old man looking back at me in the mirror? It's like I'm 25 in my head. If I don't have a mirror, in my mind, I'm 25 years old.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:19

Well, ain't nothing wrong with that, brother. Ain't nothing wrong with that at all. And I know there for a while I was like, you know, the whole cliche where they're like, oh, you're starting to, you know, you're feeling you're starting to feel your age and blah blah blah. Well, that's because my ass was had become a slug and I wasn't doing shit. So now that I finally have started to not try to get bulk, like I'm not trying to be jacked like you or nothing. I ain't trying to be like that, but I'm trying to just keep my old ass just lubricated, keep my shit, my muscles, get my muscles a little bit back in shape, but also just keep everything joints lubricated and moving because the body in motion stays in motion, that's for sure. So that the more you stay active, the younger, just like he said, he feels 25. Well, of course, you know, when you're when you're active and you do shit, you're going to, and that's a good thing. So uh, so definitely I feel 25 until I try.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:14

I haven't ran in like two years, and uh, I feel 20. I feel old when you try to run, and I feel old when um you have to like squat down and get back up, like get up and down out of the floor. Yeah, so that's the times I feel old. Other than that, as long as I'm standing up, I'm feeling pretty good. So I even thought about going to get a part-time job bouncing again just uh just to get back into that, you know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:43

Sometimes it's not to see you being a bouncer. So you used to bounce, because I could totally see that because you kind of and not don't take this the wrong way, but you look like you look like especially when you I don't know why when you wear your glasses, because he doesn't wear glasses when when you when you would see him generally, but you you remind me of Butterbean, except not as big, but you look like Butterbean, especially, man. One of one of the songs you do that was on YouTube, man. I was I was sitting you you had your glasses on though, but I was like, and of course you didn't have your hat on, you revolved on that one, and I was like, damn, he looks dead up like Butterbean right there. And I I think Butterbean's a badass personally, but you know, um, so no insults that it is there.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:25

I think Butterbean's awesome, but um um but yeah, when you're I saw that and just thought that no, when you reach a certain age, you gotta have your reading glasses on because I don't need glasses to see, I just need them to read. And so when I'm recording songs like that, I have to be able to read the lyrics because they're closer to me. And right that's what happens when you know you're old, is when you get something, you have to hold it out to read it and be like, Oh, that's what that says.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:51

Or you gotta grab one of these and you're sitting there fucking oh fuck, but yeah, I gotta use that shit all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:01

You got two pairs here at my desk. There's one in there by the recliner, there's some sitting on the kitchen counter. There's a pair up next to the bed on the nightstand. Everywhere you go, there's this pair of reading glasses because you gotta have that stuff, man. Otherwise, you can't see.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:26

Especially if I had my ring light on, you see that fucking ring the whole time. But uh, and I can't do the whole contact sticking my finger in my eye. I'm like, nah, I ain't fucking doing that.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:40

But uh no, I did bounce for six years down here in the old city, well, it's what's called the old city district. I was down there at the biggest hip hop club in Knoxville for six years. No shit. Bounce board bartend, assistant manager. It's definitely there's different levels of an underworld. The homeless people and the junkies are an underworld, and then you have the the club scene as an underworld, and then you have like the drug dealers underworld. It's all there's different layers to this underworld, and I didn't know that until I got down there into the old city. So, but I was coming to work in I'd worked six years at uh a juvenile facility with sex offenders, and that's when I went there, I was like, Well, what's our rules of engagement here? Bouncing, and it's like, well, you don't have to go through like levels of intervention, you could just be like, you need to quit, and if they don't quit, you snatch them up. And I was like, wow, this is easy. So, yeah, bouncing, and I'm not afraid of confrontation, not trying to sound like I'm mean or nothing, it's just that most people are, you know, like if you're shopping at Kroger's, you're at the grocery store, and somebody cuts you off. Sometimes people be passive aggressive if they do anything. You know, it's like I'm not afraid to be like, hey, buddy, you need to move your shit to the end of the line, homie. You're not getting in front of me. You know, it's it's just part of being a man. To me, it's part of being a man. Yeah, you can't be afraid of confrontation because otherwise, you know, then you're gonna go home and I tell you, here's a silly story because my brain ruminates, meaning if I have something happen, my brain will just keep running it and running it and running it like a program until it is exhausts itself. And it's one of those things, and uh, I knew I would beat myself up about it if I didn't do something. So me and my older son, we go down to uh this restaurant down here to get some milkshakes, like one in the morning. We pull in the parking lot, and some dude's sitting there with his truck blocking the road. Well, I hit my horn, like you're blocking the through fare, let's go. He sits there, I hit my horn again. Well, he motions me, like, go around me. And I'm like, Why don't you just fucking move? Right. So I pull up there and I swear it sounded like he said, good boy. Like, good boy. And so I was like, Man, Saw went around, we got our milkshakes, and I was sitting there kind of stewing about it. And now be mindful. I'm wearing running shorts and a tank top with no shoes on. My son's wearing the same running shorts with no shirt on and no shoes on because we literally is like, hey, let's go get milkshakes. All right, cool. So we just got in the car and drove down there. So it really bothered me. And as I pulled up to leave, I looked and saw the truck sitting there again. So I drove down there. He goes, What are you doing? And I said, I can't let it go. I said, It's gonna piss me off and ruin my milkshake, it's gonna ruin the rest of my night if I don't go. Because I want to know what the hell he said, right? And so I pulled down there and he's wanting his truck. So I drove back around the building because somebody got behind me. And as I pull up, I see him and he's standing there with two friends. I was like, Cool, it's three versus two. We'll be totally good. And I pulled up and I said, Hey man, is that your truck? Uh which one? The gray one sitting here? Yeah, what's up? And I said, When I drove past you, did you say good boy or yeah, boy? Like, what did you say to me exactly? And he was like, Oh, I said, Yeah, boy, like, yeah, boy, what's up? Yeah, I didn't say good boy. Like he totally pushed out in front of his friends, right? And that wasn't my goal. My goal was to be like, which I know what the fuck he said. He was being a smart ass, is what he was doing. And then when I pumped him out in front of his friends, it's like, and then but when I went home and I told my son, I said, Don't be like me. Because I can't let shit go. And yeah, it would have ruined my whole night. I'd have said there's like I should have done this, I should have done that.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:45

Now we did phone calls.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:49

Um, but yeah, I mean it's it's that's what I mean. It's like sometimes it sucks and it's hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:57

And you know, nowadays, man, it's it sucks because people don't they don't talk shit out no more like it used to be. Now they just these fucking people are crazier than hell. They just pull out guns, just want to start flinging fucking lead. It's like, god damn, man. It's like what happened to the days where you you you you said something, and then if it came to throwing throwing hands, you threw hands, but then afterwards you were done. You know, it was like nobody was killing people and doing shit. It's it's crazy, it's crazy where we're at now. It's uh especially.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:30

Yeah, and that was and that was the thing too. I mean, these guys were in their early 20s. It ain't like they were, you know, it just but it's a fact of their his his level of disrespect, and yeah, and I think it was a good humbling for him because I've been humbled. I've been like a badass all day long, but hell, I've been humbled before, and it's just like you remember that shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:51

Oh, hell yeah. And uh well, we all have. Anybody who hasn't is full of shit because there's always somebody that's gonna humble you. He oh, he froze up. I may have lost Mark. We'll see. His picture is frozen, so I hope we didn't lose him. If so, I may have to get him back in here. It's hell get no, yes it is, man. It's very hell get no getting around there. I don't know if it's me. Not sure what's going on. Can anybody still hear me? I hear you. So you hear me, so you're there. It's just your your picture, the cameras.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:57

I'm just I tried to answer a damn text and then I could have did it. There we go. Now I it's all right.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:05

I'm gonna add you to the stage because it brought you in uh as a second go round. Now remove this other one. Alright, there we go. All right, well, we got it back. Okay, well, we've we figured we figured the shit out, so no harm, no foul. So I guess everybody's still here in the comment section too, and nothing's nothing's scrolling. Well, there's not anybody in here, that's why. So now that we have now there's an echo. So now you're echoing. Well now I think it might be me.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:40

It was you echoing when I was talking. But now there's a delay.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:46

But that's fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:47

Well, because I've worked with it before.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:51

Like I can talk and then I can hear it.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:56

Yeah. Yeah, I can hear the echo more now too, which is weird. It's really bizarre. Let's kick this one from let me kick this one from the studio. There we go. I'm trying to kick. I I kicked your other one. Let's see if that worked. I don't know if that helped. Check. Check. That may have helped. I don't hear the echo as bad as I did before. For some reason, when I had your other one, it it I guess it didn't like that. Well, this is all learning. Like, I'm learning StreamYard. Hell, if it wasn't for Wolf from Wolf Air Records helping me learn how to use this, I I didn't know how I couldn't get it to stream on my I'm sitting in front of my computer right now. So I could never get it to do it. So I had bought like this this fucking boom mic, and I bought, you know, these headsets, and I I bought all this shit, and then I couldn't use it forever. And then she finally told me how to do it. So hopefully this podcast will take off and this will be worth the money spent, especially since I spent you know four hundred and fifty dollars today on on the ad more advanced version of StreamYard here, so I can do better shit. So I'm gonna have to learn that. But we've been on an hour 19 minutes, so we're still we still got time. If you still want to go, we can wrap it up if you're ready to wrap it up. But I don't know what what you got going on, my brother, but uh I've been having a good time and I've I can't thank you enough for being on the show. I really appreciate it. Like I say, I know this podcast isn't super popular yet, so you know you're it's not like if you know if you were on a Joe Rogan podcast, you're gonna be seen by millions of people today. Yeah, that's not gonna happen. You know, you're probably gonna be seen. I think the last podcast I did with my son, which that's a special edition ish, you know, podcast that I'm gonna do occasionally with special needs, because I do a lot for the Special Olympics, which uh which all by the way, everybody, this this guy right here also does like I do stuff for the Special Olympics and donate my time. But his band has also done a lot of stuff it kind of in that same realm, but like they made they they would go to if they wanted them to to a hospital and see sick children, his band would would be the kind of people that would go do that shit in a hard one.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:22

I would do that. Um in the past, the we have not with this current group, but in the past, you know, the years ago, that's what we would do. We worked with the Tennessee Baptist Children's Homes, and those are orphanages, modern day orphanages. And uh we would go there and we'd get a food allergy list, and we would bring cake and ice cream and balloons and be like, hey, today's everybody's birthday. And so we would play music and hang out with the kids, and that just and that's the thing too. The first time we did that, I think it was in the Chattanooga home, and um we got down there and the kids didn't want to be there. They showed up and they didn't want to be there until I said, I need all the boys up on stage. Then I need all the girls up on stage. Now I need all the boys on the left side of the room and all the girls on the right. We started playing games while we were singing and playing the show. So it's like who's louder? The girls or the boys, who can be the most rowdy, who can be the most loud, who can, you know, and we started involving them. They were in the show with us, and it was just us. There was no cameras, there was no TV publicity, there was nothing. It was just us having a party with the kids and the chaperones that were there. And they told us, they said, you know what? You go the first band that's ever played with the kids and not at them. Because people will show up and want to play at them and expect them to sit still. And it's like, no, I said, no, I said, we're here to party, man. And we've actually played an asylum before. Um, yeah, we played it used to in Knoxville. There was uh an asylum called Lakeshore, and that was the facility for literally the insane people. And we went to the uh, you had to sign a little thing that said, you know, if you get took hostage and all that stuff, that you know, and it was like whatever. But it don't matter how bad and how tough you feel, because uh crazy people, their uh how to put it, their adrenaline isn't regulated like normal people, to where like if I get mad at you and I'm only at like level 20, then I have like level 20, you know, adrenaline. They don't. Their adrenaline just drops right to 100, and so they get super strength. So you'd be like, man, nobody's gonna touch me in the asylum. I'm sorry, but I'm humble enough to realize that a small crazy person, you know, could probably get me in a headlock and break my arm, you know, just because they're they got that super strength. So yeah, when you're signing that like ain't nobody gonna mess with me, you gotta be prepared for anything. And uh because they they were you know a lot of them were medicated. But when we played it, I learned too that when I was doing a guitar part, I stood on a chair. Well, some of them stood on chairs, and I was like, Oh, I can't do that because they're gonna copy whatever I do. We were asked to come back a second time, but we got to play outside for like the low level, the super low level folks, because they said the other people they after we left, apparently it just got them too there was too much excitement for them, and so they kind of you know acted up and got ignorant. So so we got to play for the low level medicated people and uh outside at an event at the same you know asylum. So yeah, so we could opt we could definitely say like, yeah, this project has played at the crazy house before, and orphaned doing outreach for uh kids with cancer. Um, I don't know, probably five five to eight kids, maybe. And sometimes it was all girls for whatever reason, it was all girls, and um sometimes they would like paint things and stuff and give them to you. And I've got some of those in there in the uh in the other room, you know, where they get your little trinkets. They're all I mean the kids are dead, they're dead now.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:13

So but uh and that's cool that you hold on to that. It's like you're holding on to a piece of their memory, you know, which is you know, especially since they were nice enough to make something or give something to you. That's really cool. That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:26

Well, on these 66 photos on that website, uh, you'll see the picture of a ball headed girl with her face painted like a sugar skull. That's Caitlin. Caitlin said we could use her photos, you know, and she's long since gone, but yeah, that was probably nine, ten years ago. But her photos, you know, that's cool. It's her, you know, with her face painted like that. And she's like, she goes, You like the sugar skulls? Yeah, she goes, Well, look at these pictures of me. And so we used them.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:53

And I think it's cool that you still use it because it's almost like you, it's like keeping her her little, you know, it's it's like keeping her here, even though she is tragically past. That's really funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:04

Well, you're doing when you deal with people, you're dealing with human beings, and I can't imagine being in a situation. Now, see, with with that, with Dead Moon's Gray, I couldn't take my kids anywhere. Not a lot, because you're playing bike rallies and and bars and places you know of that nature. But when 66 had came about, I could take my kids with me because we were doing festivals and orphanages and all those places. But when you deal with these cancer benefits, and we did some stuff too, like if a guy wrecked on a motorcycle, you know, needed to raise money for bills, if somebody had like colon cancer, needed help, we would do it for adults or kids, it didn't matter. And we didn't charge for that. Where my job is to get you as much money as you can get to help you get through your situation or to help you get through your situation so you can focus on it and not have to worry about paying the bills, right? Yeah. So that said, playing with these for or playing for these kids and meeting their parents, seeing them with teary eyes, seeing them looking strung out and tired because they haven't been sleeping. But when you take a little girl, it's like, hey, she's in the Barbie. Well, we got everybody in a whole bike club to go buy her Barbies. Because we were pretty tight in the bike 2019. So everybody bought her Barbies. She probably had 50 Barbies. But her little brother, and I was like, I asked the mom, I said, What's he into? Oh, he likes wrestling. I said, What's his favorite wrestler? So we bought him some toys for that. And it's like, you're the first people that's ever brought him toys. Because even though his sister's sick and dying, at the same time, he's still kind of jealous, like, well, man, she's getting all the attention. You know, because he's a kid, he don't know no different. All he knows is attention is either his. So we brought him toys and I hung out with him. You know, and my ex-wife and all the women were over there hanging out with that little girl and everyone were playing, and all the little girls over playing Barbies. You know, they had clothes and and all kinds of plays that it was like Barbie licious over there. But, you know, I was over some other guys come over. We're sitting there playing with wrestlers in a wrestling ring, you know, and we're sitting there doing this. Why? Because why not? It's like I'm not there just to play music and to promote that. I'm there to help them make money so they don't have to worry about their problem.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:21

And so um we did I founded a homeless outreach and I ran it for four and a half years in Knoxville. Um every Sunday, no matter what, rain or shine, snow, it didn't matter, blazing heat. We were out there in it. Always did water, always did baby wipes. Sometimes I'm by myself, sometimes I had 15, 20 people. Um, we saw a lot of crazy stuff, as you will. I had churches contact me wanting me to take their youth group, and I said, I'll take anybody 16 and up, but they're gonna see naked people, they're gonna see drug use, they're gonna see violence, they're gonna see, you know. All these things that you know be prepared that this is what they're going to be exposed to. They don't have to get out of the vehicle, but this is what they're going to witness with their own eyes. They're going to witness humanity and depravity. And uh, we've rolled up into a camp and a dude had his head beat in with a ball peen hammer because one camp decided they wanted what his camp had and waited until most of the dudes had left and went over there and beat them up and took their stuff. So this caveman living is a reality in the homeless underworld.

unknown 1:28:30

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:31

So for the unwanted outreach, it was an umbrella. It's still on Facebook, it's unwanted outreach. Um and under that umbrella was the music, was the uh the homeless outreach, was the uh me and me and my ex used to go and do plays and skits with the youth groups. I also did a lot of speaking engagements uh at churches trying to raise money for the outreach. Um, once you run into barriers with that, where people's like, they'll give you know$200,000 to the Baptist convention, but they won't even give me$50 to buy cases of water for the homeless right down the street. So, but this is their church, it's their thing. Hey, that's cool. But I came and I had a little slideshow, and I'd say, here's what it is, and here's what I do, you know, here's what I'm looking for, you know, and it just it was what it was. Um we also went to Serene Manor, which is uh once a month, which is if you're homeless, then that's the um what you call it, like a nursing home that you would go to. That place is nasty, it stinks, smells like they mop the floor with piss. Uh, but those people in there, there's a lot of hopelessness and despair in that building. So I would have the girls, when I worked at a drug and alcohol program for teens for five years, we had a boys' unit and a girls' unit. I would have the girls' unit make me cards, which we did give to the homeless people. But once a month we would store up the cards and go with a Serene Manor, which is about here by the Knoxville Health Department, and we would go in there and try to talk with these people just to say, hey man, what's up? Because the motto of the unwanted was you are not alone. On the back of our t-shirt, you know, so it says if you're not alone. And uh that's just the motto of it. And so that's what we did. We went in there and we talked to these people, and we tried to. A lot of them, you know, were socially backward or they yell or they're crazy or whatever. But the ones you can talk to, and there's a woman in particular that was mad every day. Every time we saw her, we asked the nursing staff, what is her problem? And she would lay there with nothing. She had a bed and a side table, nothing on her side table, and she would lay there and look at the center block wall. And you're like, Why is she doing this? Because she's mad that she woke up alive today. She just wants to die. That's the level of despair that's in that place. No, that's so that was the five. So it was like five different avenues of outreach that that occurred, you know, under the unwanted umbrella. And of course, the music when you're playing out. We'd also have a booth set up for the unwanted if you want to donate, you know, like little Debbie cakes, anything pre-cooked, like or pre-made, pre-packaged. Uh, you could donate blankets, baby wipes, water. You know, I came home one time and there was a literal case, a pallet of water sitting in my driveway.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:24

No shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:25

Which is what 50 cases? Like it's still on the pallet shrunk wrapped. So somebody had pulled in with some kind of lift and unloaded that in my driveway. And I was like, Well, I just got off a third shift and I was ready to go to bed. And I was like, Well, it looks like I get to move 50 cases of water before I go to bed, you know. But hey, you know, you don't ask God for stuff and then you know complain when you have to do deal with it, right? Well, that's amen. Yep. And that was a big thing too, man. I mean, uh, yeah, I don't know. Dealing with that, I don't know, there's a lot of despair, but uh the music was music, and if it made people smile, that's my job today. If you come to a show, I'm not up there trying to hit every note, I'm not trying to up there be in absolute tune. If you lead the show with a smile on your face and you're laughing, then my job's done. Yeah, that's it. I'm there for the good time, man. That's what we're there to do. If you want to hear perfection, buy the CD.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:29

You know, that's really what it is. So, yeah, people want to criticize, and if they do, you know, people say, Well, that band sucked, and whoever, you know, like, well, that band, you know, it's like complaining about kiss. Paul Stanley said it the best. If you like how we sounded on Kiss Alive, well, hell that was 40 something years ago. Go listen to that album because now this is Kiss Alive at you know 72 years old. Because I don't say he's clear, yeah. Yeah, so it's like, and that's my thing. It's like you want to hear perfection, go buy the CD. Because when you're and to me, I like the live energy. Uh, I'd love to do a live album because uh Iron Maiden Live After Death, that was one of my albums in rotation for like four years of my life. That energy, and I hated the studio albums after that one because the energy of Bruce and the band, you know, in that album, and when you hear you get Power Slave and you're listening to it and you're like, it's kind of dead. You know, you hear Ace is high and you're like, it's kind of dead. But you put live after death in. Yeah, I used that cassette so much all the letters was rubbed off of it. No shit. Like there was nothing. I just knew that it was live after death because I just grabbing it and getting it in and out rubbed all the lettering off of it. So it was funny, but yeah, that all that live energy. That's I've always been about that. So I'd rather do a live album as a hell, even James Addiction, which is one of my all-time favorite bands. They put their first album was a live album.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:57

Yeah, that was the cool one, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:59

Yeah, that was a good one. I wish Guns N' Roses had put out Lies first because I like those live songs that are I like them, you know. I was like, Man, that's that's what they sound like live. That's the good stuff right there. Yeah, it's more energy to it, you know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:15

But the bad thing is that ship sailed now because, like you said, of age, I mean it's the you can't hit those notes like they did back in the 80s, so you just can't do it. I mean well, not with his voice and that falsetto he's singing in, no. Yeah, it just can't happen anymore, and that's just part of it. I mean, that's the sad part about it, but it it is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:36

Vince Neil's a good example of it. And I do get upset because I'm 52, and I get upset when people make fun of Vince Neil because it's like you played stadiums, you know, when you were young, and you don't ever want to stop that. But yeah, Vince Neil got fat, and everybody's like, Oh, he's so fat and he can't sing for shit. And it's like, well, guess what? He might have some medical problems, yeah. You know, he might have a screen table with you. Yeah, no shit. And I'm like, he might have some issues. You ought to be glad he's able to get out there and run around and sing as much as he's doing. Yeah, if you don't like it, don't go to the show.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:13

Well, I think I think he's fucking awesome. I mean, now some people may not like his type of music, and the but but you cannot deny that that guy has just he just oozes talent. It's like I wish I wish that I could touch him and get a little portion of talent from him from that, because with his the talent he has is just off the fucking chains. But there's always haters. I mean, look at Nickelback, people hate the fuck out of Nickelback, and I don't understand why. I mean, I I mean I don't get it. I I think Nickelback is not I I think they're they get made fun of way more, especially. I mean, it's not like they don't have talent, but uh but people hate it.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:56

Well, there's a YouTube video on why they why that happened to them.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:59

Oh, is there really no shit? It's like a little documentary.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:06

They broke it down to where it started, and I think it was Seth Rogan, maybe the one that said it, like like I hate you as much as I do Nickelback. Some comment that just was set in passing, somehow become a loop and it went viral, and then all of a sudden everybody started hating Nickelback. It's that's really what it's either Seth Rogan or Seth Green. It's one of the sets. And I was like, Really? Like, that's what started their damn like that, did it? I'd be mad as hell if that's what destroyed my family's living. That's fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:39

But I gotta give it to uh Nickelback is they take it in stride. Like they and they've even I've even seen things where they've kind of poked, you know, they've kind of poked fun along with it, you know, just just to accept it. And that's because I'm sure deep down they know that you know that they've they definitely helped set things up for the way things are today. They are they were definitely influential. You can't say they weren't, whether you like them or not. I mean, you know, it may not be your kind of music, but but I've always liked it. But there's a lot of people, man, it's like, man, I don't know why you hate them so much. They're not it's not like they're that bad. Um it's not like they're they were fucking lip syncing and you found like Millie Vanilli and you found out that they weren't really real. And I've even heard, I don't know how true this is, but I even heard that the the guys from Millie Vanilli actually could sing some. So I don't know why the fuck they were lip syncing in the first place. If they could actually carry a tune in a bucket, then why the fuck would you lip sync? Why not just show your talent? But I don't know. Maybe it's because I don't have talent.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:44

That was a whole crazy situation with Millie Vanilli. It's funny you brought that up. But and then by today, you know, I'm you know, you know damn well Millie and Vanilli are sitting there going, look at all these fools with backing tracks. The first time we played with a band Yeah, I'm sure they are the first time we ever played with a band using backing tracks, I got upset. I was like, that's cheating. You know, like they literally had an intro and the guitar players up there, they had makeup and all this stuff on. The guitar player's up there, and he's got his hands out and he's lip syncing to this thing. And I'm like, what the hell is he what are you doing? Because there's a I'm very competitive, right? I'm extremely if if we're having if we're eating spaghetti, I'm gonna eat my spaghetti faster than you. Okay, I just that's me. I'm naturally competitive. And so when we played, we put like 150% into that show. Like I sang House of the Rising Sun just to show, like, look at me, I am the singer in the room, you know, and because I was hitting, I was doing the animals version where it was like the slow bluesy version with the real high notes that is on YouTube though. Um, and so when nobody was playing moving backing tracks, and even when they're playing, there was only one guitar player, one bass player, and a singer. But they had their guitar dubs. The singer, when he would sing, he had all his harmonies and backing vocals, and I'm like, Y'all are damn cheating. It's like, really? That's what you y'all are cheating like hell. You know, that's to me, that's what I was like, hmm. I just don't like the idea of uh now. If you're a performer by yourself, you know, say it's just you by yourself, and because that's really where the Hants was gonna go at one point. I I kid you not, because I really wanted to get these songs out, but I couldn't find Knoxville, Tennessee is the worst place to try to find musicians. It is. Uh, I ran ads for months. You can't get drummers, you can't get bass players, there's guitars everywhere. There's no banjo players that live in town. Uh, they all live like an hour away. Nobody plays violin, uh, nobody plays Dobro. And then when you do find somebody at Guitar Center, well, I live an hour and a half from here. I live in Chattanooga, and it's like, then why are you here? So, but at one time I was gonna buy a laptop and literally just go to a studio and record all the tracks and perform live like that. I was gonna have to to play to get this out. And then I met up with sellers again and uh we started working on this the music because we had worked in the past, and I was like, You remember them songs? And he said, Yeah, I said, Well, I've got newer ones. He heard them and he goes, I love these better. Let's do them. And then uh with Jesse, he was playing with uh bass in six or six, and then uh when that kind of went to hiatus status, um, then he was like, Well, hell, I just come play with you and play bass on that. So, and then we're experimenting too with the bass on it, since like with the distortion too, so it's gonna be kind of like you know, motorhead a little bit with that distort. The bass won't be distorted all the time, but to accent certain parts and stuff. So if there's a lot into the paints, that's why I need a DOBRO, because I play slide guitar as well. I just use my standard accounts. Oh, but I'll play it, you know, I have stainless steel slides, and so I'll be doing that. And so sometimes if you're doing a slide, the guitar in the mids kind of get real thin. Well, that's one of those times where you turn distortion on the bass to keep it thick and heavy. So, what do you do?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:23

Do you take your guitar like kind of like Jeff Healy did and set it in his lap? Because obviously he was blind, so he he had to do it to you know to maintain control. But do you use your slides like that and just set it in your lap and play? Or how do you how do you do it?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:36

No, I just wear it.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:39

Oh no shit. So you wear it normal and then you just you run your slides up and down the fretboard. That's fucking that's fucking badass. Well, I I don't blame you. I love that you incorporate a lot of different instruments. One of my favorite bands, I saw them yesterday and at it here in Louisville, and um I get to board a plane Friday and go see them in their hometown in Boston, um, is Dropkick Murphy's. And I love the Dropkick Murphy so much because they they got such an eclectic group of guys that play because like you said, they I mean they they they play the fucking banjo, the mandolin, the fucking accordions, the fucking whistles, the bagpipes, the drums, the guitars, the bass. It's like they hit all of it. And even the violin or the fiddle, you know, they bring they bring that out and fucking jam that shit. It's like they they hit have so many guys that play so many different things. And it's just it just makes for a really fucking neat show, I think. And I like a lot of bands too that also incorporate brass, which you know, you don't you don't see that too too often, which is kind of it's kind of interesting, but uh you know, you incorporate the the wind instruments into stuff too, like that. It's just uh but I like ska. I do like ska music and and definitely still like the punk and the Irish punk and and um the rockabillies and all that shit. And I love how to seeing different influences like one of my favorite bands, and of course they're heavy metal, is Volbeat. But Volbeat, they got you can see they got their influence from a lot of rockabilly stuff like social distortion and whatnot, but also they you know the Johnny Cash, you know, they definitely love Johnny Cash, but then they love that fast shit like Metallica, you know, and the double bass. I love that dude, you know, that double bass all the time. It just sounds so fucking awesome when you can incorporate double bass and shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:35

It's heavy and it's nasty, and that's what makes it so good. Hell yeah. Like the thing that you're doing is that's why I love it. I like Johnny Cashenown, but Johnny was just like mainly him and his guitar. I like Whalen a little more because Whalen in his latter albums was experimenting with sound. Like some of his songs, he's running a flanger on his acoustic or on a good on the guitar. I don't know if it's his his guitar, but there's a guitar truck in some of them songs, you know, with a flanger on it. And you're like, wow! And he was doing this like in the 90s, I guess in the 90s, late 80s, late 80s. Because I wonder too, like, where did Sheldon, you know, or Hank Three, where did where did Sheldon get his, you know, a lot of his influence from? And it wasn't just from his daddy, but it was like I can hear a lot of Whaling, you know, in that music. I can hear it, you know, and I'm like, oh, okay. So I don't know. I mean, I do I jam the Whalen, I like Gene Altry. Uh so but I listened to everything. I've got my list is any from from uh body count to Jane's addiction to Frank Sinatra to uh to Beethoven to I mean there's like my stuff, ACDC down to to reggae to it, just depends on what mood I'm in, honestly, to what I'm really listening to. Blues, bluegrass. I would like to take bluegrass music, just anything off the radio, and record myself playing drums to it. Because when you think about the tempos that bluegrass is driving, it's death metal. Like bluegrass is like death metal with a banjo. That's all it is. It's cutting.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:18

When that banjo is blue, tempo, that's faster than slayer.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:25

If you're sitting there hitting double bass and doing and playing that stuff, you're like, like that's bluegrass. That's that's why there's no drums in bluegrass. They'd be too, it's always them like call hammer, them strumming the, you know, whether a banjo or a guitar said, No, they'll strum it to make the beat because a bass is keeping the low beat, and there'll be another instrument sitting there just strumming like that to keep that time. Imagine drums in bluegrass. I mean, now with the Holler Hanks, there's a there is vocal, there's bluegrass vocal influence, especially on the song I wrote last night on the mandolin. And I've got two more songs, you know, where you're you're getting kind of high pitch, you know, when you're singing it.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:04

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:04

So and uh that's a thing too. I was explaining that to my chick. Was uh she's like, why do they sing high all the time? And I said, Well, if you're playing in a bluegrass band and your mandolins and your banjo, you got a bass, you got a guitar. I said, and you don't have really generally have microphones if you're sitting around on the front porch. So you can't be singing sexy like Johnny Cash, because then nobody's gonna hear you. So you have to get your vocals to a pitch above to where it cuts through to the you know, above the music while you're sitting there acoustically. I said, That's why a lot of people sing the way they do with bluegrass. That's just the way you know because I can talk in this low baritone, but uh one of my favorite bluegrass songs is Ruby, you know, and they're like Ruby, and you're like, God, that's really high. It's like, well, yeah, you got to to cut out to cut the vocals out of the music to be heard. So yeah, I analyze I analyze a lot. I sit around thinking of a lot of stupid shit, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:09

Well, there ain't nothing wrong with that, brother. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Well, that's like you you mentioned you mentioned you even had some influences with rage. I tell you what, Tom Morello is probably one of the fucking best guitarists just because of the way he reminds me of like the the newer aged Jimi Hendrix because Jimmy was always fucking around with the guitar to like if I do this, what is it gonna sound like? And then he would do it, and it it would either be awesome or it'd be like eh, yeah. And then you'd try something else, and that like Tom Morello, the way he did with Rage back when they were all together was fucking just killer. And it's just some of the sounds you're like, you're like, he's doing that with a guitar, and back then it just it just like my mind was just like blown because I was like, God dang, dude, how does this guy do this shit? And it's just just experiment, kind of like you said earlier. I just fuck around with shit, and then you know, it is what it is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:05

That first album had that little note in it that said there was no synthesizers using in the making of this album. And I was like, what the hell does that mean? And then when you hear it, you're like, Well, how are they making those sounds? Because back then you didn't have YouTube, you know, this is like 19 god, what was this, 1991, 19?

SPEAKER_03 1:48:24

I was gonna say right now.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:24

I was still happy. I might maybe 91, 92, but when that album came out, and um, but yeah, I mean, back then you didn't have like YouTube, you couldn't watch things live, you know, unless you saw it on like network TV, and you're just like, how are they making these sounds if that's not a synthesizer? You assumed it was a guitar or the bass doing it, but then when you actually see him doing it, and the way he bounced a pencil on the strings and then flip his uh on and off switch, and you know, all these little tricks and things he did, it's like he just sat around making stuff up.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:57

And that's just so fucking cool. Now I didn't know they had a disclaimer showing that. That's that's interesting, and that makes sense why they would, because yeah, like you said, the way he did shit, you were like, how the fuck is he doing that? It just was bizarre. Like it just and I love shit that's obscure like that. Something new, something that you're just like, man, it just doesn't make sense. But here it is, and it's happening, and it's all and it works. So don't gotta it's just amazing watching you guys do your stuff. We actually got Pam said there's a guy called uh well, he he was in here earlier, Scott Brad uh Bradley um says we seriously gotta get an address uh from Scott Bradley because he wants an autograph from you. He would love to have an autograph from you.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:41

So we'll have to do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:47

We'll have to I'll have to try to get it from Scott 'cause he uh I just met him not too long back starting his podcast. This guy, he I don't know how he found me, but he did, and I'm glad because he always drives he May not stay for the whole time, but he always drops in and lets me know he's there. He's a really cool dude. Him and this other guy, Big Johnson, which I'm surprised Big Johnson's not in here right now because he he is uh he definitely is. Uh anytime I go live, he's another one that's always right there. Oh, she says she does got it. So she's already Pam's already on top of this. He sent it to her already. So so Pam, I tell you what, Pam gets shit done, man. She is she is the shit. I hope I hope to be one day be half as cool as fucking Pam Little is.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:35

Well I can send him this one because we've already signed it. Oh, they damn. Anytime I do a project, as that's that's our pictures. We get it's kind of got a glare on it, but yeah, that's our signatures on it. Dude, that's fuck, dude. I love that. Yeah, okay. So when we go to shows if people want autographs, we have this is in the frame though. But you know, we have these photos and we'll sign them. Um in every project I I do will have signatures on them. You know, if I get if we have show posters, I'll get people to sign them while I'm there, just because you never know. But yeah, I can send him this one because we can sign these all day long.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:11

So hell. But yeah, that's no big deal. That is cool. That is that is cool as hell.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:19

I do thank Pam and Southern Lights Entertainment. Pam's been nothing but good to us. Um I mean, she helps us out, we help her out.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:28

Um she's been very good to me too. Uh she's my rock because I'm a dumbass when it comes to this shit. So if it wasn't for some people like her, I've had a I have a I have a few people, one handful of people that have been nice to extend that olive branch to me. You know, because most everybody wants shit. It's like, oh yeah, I'll help you do that. It's gonna cost you though, like you know, twenty dollars an hour or forty dollars. You know what I'm saying? It's like it's like what happened to just kind of sharing information and helping people learn, and and some people are into that and some aren't. And I'm lucky I found about a handful of people that are willing to do that. And she's definitely she's definitely a my rock for sure. She's definitely one of them, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:13

Well, where the where her awards is gonna be at is at the historic Grove Theater in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Yeah, I've never oh well that's where Jesse, before I met him, that's where he had run a few of those events, and he calls it Droves at the Groves. And uh, because he's what the purpose of that was to showcase original bands. Because around here's a lot of classic rock bands, and that's generally who plays out. However, if you're an original act and you're trying to get your band out there, it's kind of hard. That's what this group does. That's well, that's what Droves at the Groves is. And that's for original bands. It don't matter if you're death metal, and then there's bluegrass, and then there's a lounge singer. It doesn't matter. The music will be if you're an original band, everything it the there'll be 12 hours straight of music. It's usually 12 noon to 12 midnight. And each band gets like 45 minutes. You got you got your one hour, is what you've got. If you take too long sound checking, that just cuts your time out. You have a one-hour slot to set up to get your stuff set up. So generally tell everybody 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:27

And sometimes bands cancel, but you know, you have more time. However, uh, but that is to showcase original bands. So the Droves at the Grove, uh, there's some food vendors there. Uh and this is a full, I'm talking this is a theater. This I'm just standing too, I'm sitting too close to the thing. There's it's a full theater. Um, like I'm talking two curtains with the stage, like where you put plays on. Uh it seats 200 people. There's no balcony, but it seats 200 people. There's full stage lights on it. So uh if you're playing a show, you can just put the lights on auto and you got all kinds of stage lights going. Um then next door is the movie theater part. But there's a downstairs, like a green room where people can dress and do their, you know, change costumes. You can come back upstairs, you can walk out between the curtains, put on a plate. Like it's a big, like it's it's a store. I mean, it's it's an actual theater. And so that's what they do. Well, that's that that uh we're doing that again on May 2nd. So that's in Oak Ridge, and we'll be the Hanks will be playing there on the 2nd. Um, and it's generally it's free. Um, I guess the food's not free. You gotta pay for your own food and stuff, but to show up and listen to the music is for free. Jesse always pushes that, you know, that that's the whole thing. If it's free, then it's droves at the groves. Right. So so that's that, and then the collective, that's what that's the difference. You have droves at the groves, you know, and that's that's that, and then Jesse fronts that, and then we have the Beast Town Collective, and that is where it, like I said before, it is you're trying to get people out of those bands and to perform by themselves to try to make them grow on their own. So, but yeah, because that stuff worked on me.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:10

I'm so pumped to come down there because it's Pam said it's such a nice place. Uh seats 500. Oh, she even put it in my comment. It seats 500, so it's uh it's a great, it's a great, great little venue. Um we thought it was two, but she I think she's she had somebody go count, so we counted out. I think they ended up it ended up being 500, which I wish was which was better for us, which was good. Because, you know, with her having it there the first time, it's like it's like, man, is there gonna be enough uh is there gonna be enough seating to allow some people to come? And it uh we're glad it worked out the way that it did. She said Jesse Cleland is also nominated for Trailblazer Award because he has worked very hard for all of us. So that well, that's cool. Shout out to Jesse for that accomplishment as well. Uh we were we would have tried to get him on for those of y'all that were you know maybe interested. We we tried to get him on with us here a little while ago because he's obviously a part of uh this young man here, um his band and whatnot, too. But Jesse was currently driving, so he had to opt out. So so but if Jesse wants to get on, he's definitely another nomination. Um I plan on any any of the bands that are a part of this award show, or you know, obviously any of the bands that are actually being uh on the roster that are being uh taken care of by Pamela Little with Southern Lights Entertainment for their actual booking needs, then uh definitely feel free to drop me a link or a message on Instagram or personally. If you have my phone number, you can send me a text um or an email if that's what you get through, say Pam, however you want to get a hold of me. Uh definitely do that and let me know if you're interested. Just like just like uh Mark did. He he reached out to Pam and said, which I was honored because my podcast is is kind of still shit, and it's gonna be shit for a little while. It's gonna take some time, but I was glad that he actually uh I was jazzed about being a part of this, especially since I know that you know the the outreach is is gonna be small for now because we just started all this. I mean, I just got a logo the other day, but our last video, I think we had almost 700 views. So 700 views is I I that's not too shabby for somebody trying to break free of the podcasting thing. So I thank people like him that are actually show interest that that allow me to have somebody to talk to and bring on these shows. And with everybody that's being involved with Southern Lights Entertainment for the award show, if you if you're interested in doing the same thing that Mark's here doing with me, um then obviously send me a message and we'll set up a time to do that between now and the award show. I would definitely I get to present um entertainer of the year. So definitely the ones that are on the entertainer of the year list, I would like to slowly go through and have you on my show if you're willing. Now, some people obviously uh this this podcasting may not be their thing. Being in the you know, being grilled or being on camera, they may not like. See, I can interview this motherfucker right here. He would be a killer interviewer. I just love it. You're like a big fucking kid, and that's what I love about you, because I'm just like a big kid. I'm 52 and I've ref I feel old sometimes, but I refuse to want to get old. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna defy that as long as humanly possible.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:46

Dude, I don't have to be wonder how to have fun and be retarded. I can be silly as hell. It's it's hands on what you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:53

I love acting like I mean the way I see it is fucking being an adult sucks. So if I can act like a fucking child, even if I'm 52, then I say party on Wayne. I'm gonna do it. Just like you. I love it. See, Pam is also announcing the announcing on the stage for Entertainer of the Year. Yeah, so I will be on the stage when I do that. And I've never done that. So I I'm looking forward to the experience, but I have never stood in front of 500 people with every 500 people staring at me. So I hope I don't I hope I don't get up there and be like and just kind of lock up. I don't think I will, but we'll we'll see. I think that uh the podcasting's gonna help, I think. Imagine playing for 24,000 people. I said imagine playing for 24,000 people. Oh, dude, I could only fathom what that I would that would be rough.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:45

I I don't know if I that's actually easier. We did that when we were signed with Soundmaster. We played at the um Cornerstone Festival, and that's where I met Sonny from P.O.D. And I really didn't know him. Yeah, I didn't know him, I knew uh Brian Welch from Corn because that's when they had their whosoevers thing. And I was there to see Brian, and when I walked into the tent, you know, and there's a dude wearing a flat bill hat, and he's hey man, I like your tattoos, I like all this shit. Hey, cool, that's cool. We were talking small talk, and I knew Lacey too from I think it's Fly Leaf. I haven't listened to him forever. But I was looking for Lacey, she wasn't there, uh, but is in the whosoever's tent. And then he hand me a swag bag, and when I walked off, I was looking, I was like, hey, there's that guy I just talked to. Oh hell, that's Sonny from POD. And I didn't even know who he was.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:38

You know, that's oh well.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:42

But yeah, it was inora, Illinois. 24,000 people is the biggest crowd I've played for. Damn, and I was in the movie. Uh I was in a I was a a my title was Southern Biker in a movie called Sorry, like S-A-H-R-I. Um, everybody in the band, almost everybody in the band at that time had a role in it, you know, whether they were a monster, uh, the keyboard player was actually one of the lead actors in the movie, and uh just because the talent agency from Nashville didn't bring the kids because it was a bunch of kids going to stay at a haunted house at the premise of the movie, and they didn't provide any kids for the ghost. So the director goes, we're there to shoot our video at the same time they're filming. And dude's like, Has any of y'all got kids? Well, yeah. He's like, Can you get them here within the hour? And so we got on the phone, everybody gets on the phone. I was like, Woman, get the kids, get them down here now. It's like, why they're gonna be in a movie. So as soon as they got them there, everybody was doing makeup. Like they had to have them, like soon as they soon as people would arrive, they're like, bring them up here, get them up here. So I'll even my sit my son who's 16 now. Oh, three of my kids were in the movie, but my little son at that time, I think he might have been two, you know. So it was kind of funny and seeing him getting painted up like a ghost, and they're trying to fit him for a costume, and he didn't want his face painted and stuff. And it's like, just calm down, you're gonna be in a movie, just calm down, you know, trying to get all that done and stuff. And it was just um, but ended up, you know, the movies there, and we uh they shot us a video. I was in the movie, and that was a thing too. In the movie, I you know, we're practicing our lines, and I'm the guy that tells them how to get to the haunted house. And I was like, Yeah, when we were doing dry runs, you know, there's dry rehearsals or dirt drives, when we were doing those, it was like, Yeah, I said, You don't want to go down there. And he's like, Why not? I said, Well because there's a demon that runs at holler and you don't want to be up in it. Well, there's some there's a woman that wasn't from here laughing out loud, like, oh my god, you totally said holler. It's so funny, and it's like no, it's not. Everybody here don't like you. It's like nobody here wants to be with you. So go like, but yeah, it's like she just thought that was the funniest thing ever, was the fact that I called it a holler, you know, and I was like, whatever. But yeah, that's me.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:12

I've always heard holler. I've never heard hollow. If I heard hollow, I'd be like, what the and I ain't even all that red. I mean, you know, I guess a little bit, but you know it's funny.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:23

Some people do, and they'll say, like, like in that movie Dukes the Hazard, I got disappointed with Johnny Knoxville when he goes, Yeah, we're Appalachian American. That's how we identify. I was like, What? Nobody from here calls it Appalachia. It's Appalachia, it's the chu. And sometimes back in the day we'd call it the chain, you know, because you're from the chain, you know, from Appalachia, the chain, Appalachian. So the chain is kind of so yeah, so I'm from the chain. But yeah, that was just one of the things.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:54

That was a new one. That's I haven't heard it called the chain, but I but but but I know what you mean the other way around. How they how they actually pronounce it.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:02

And when we were in the airsoft circuit, you know, doing events every month, we were all over the southeast. And I tell you, we could go to South Carolina and you know, it'd be okay. But if we went to Virginia and anywhere east of here, you know, like, dude, as long as we were in the Appalachian chain in that in the mountains, dude, everybody's totally cool. Like it's their accent may be a little different, but our food lock is the same, the drink locks are the same. It's like, and it's different. If you go to Nashville, you're out of the mountain range, and it's not, it's like pop country, it's not the same. You go up to Bristol, you go up to West Virginia, you go up to Virginia, you know, uh you're in the mountains of uh North Carolina, it's all Appalachia. So it's just like all the culture is essentially the same. And there is a mountain subculture for the really rural towns or really you know rural areas. There's a different little, and some of those people like up here in Scott County, right on the Kentucky border, we're in Big South Fork, uh on the Tennessee side, some of those old folks up there, because me being around my family in Kentucky, and that's you know, being around them, I get used to hearing that talk. But there are some people up in Scott County that really is hard to understand, you know, when they're talking. And it's just like, hmm, you have to listen to them. But it's just that it's a real isolated dialect. You realize that that comes from Scott, that's like a Scottish and Irish accent. What people call hick. Like my aunt in Hazard will say uh flyers instead of flowers, you know, be like, Yeah, that's my flyers, that's my tar or my tars. Those, and you're like, oh, you sound so hick when you're talking. That's that's like an Irish or a Scottish accent. And I knew this years before there's actually things on the internet that show this that that's what they're speaking. They're not talking hillwilly. Well, they're not talking hick, is what people call it. They're still speaking with that accent it has carried through the centuries. So if I said, Oh, my yurs, my uncle still says that today, and he lives here in Knoxville. He calls it, he called his doctor, yeah, my yurs is hurting. Your yers, and it's like, yeah, my ears, my ears are hurting, my yars. Well, when you say it with an Irish accent and say, Oh, I feel so good. Oh, my yours is hurting, you know exactly what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:27

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:28

But if I say if I say, Oh, my yours is hurting, your what? Oh, but my ears, my ears have been hurting me for a day. I don't like it. I want it to stop. When you're doing that, and when you learn it, you're like, Oh, why? Because what settled these mountains? Scotch Irish.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:45

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:46

That's where our accent comes from. Now, like 10 years ago, there was nothing on the internet about it. Now there's YouTube things, now there's little um reports and little or whatever, you know, um dissertations on it, on language and things. Some people get it wrong, but yeah, we're in Appalachia. That's how you pronounce it. That's a that's a pet peeve of mine when they call it Appalachia. Yeah, there's Bigfoot Appalachia, and I'm like, Yeah, you're not for anybody. I know, I know. I can tell.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:19

Well, I was on a movie set the other day, and it's funny you talk about accidents because I was doing set medic on a movie the the growing season. I was filling in for um an awesome lady that um that's what she does, and she she needed off, so I went in. And um, I'm sitting there talking to the craft the crafties booth, and it was run by two women that were one's her name's Portia and the other one was Linda, and they were both from Australia. So it was really interesting talking to them because like you said, the whole the whole the whole way things are said is completely different from region to region. So, like, you know, the way that you would pronounce certain things in regards to like towns or cities or whatever in Australia, it was not it was not the way I'd say it is she's like, Well, that's typical for the way you all would say it, but it's really pronounced this. And then and then, of course, the um uh like ACDC. Did you know that ACDC over there is is called Aka Daka? They're not called A C D C. Yeah, Akkadaka, and that's what they told me. And of course I thought they were fucking with me. I was like, Man, y'all are fucking with me. It's not fuck Aka Daka. And but you know, I asked Chat GPT to show a buddy, and sure enough, yeah, she said it. And uh it's just the way they call them that over there. It's funny. So I love I love that. I love how you know I love how just hearing that, because I didn't know that. Like what you just said, that that educated me on how where that came from. But it makes total sense after hearing the story, it makes a lot of fucking sense that that's how that is. So that's fucking interesting, man. Very fucking interesting.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:02

Well, with the with today's technology, you can get on Instagram because I follow three different girls from uh or three different women in Ireland, you know, and when you're hearing them talk, you know, to call your flowers flares, that's not being lazy. That's that's what people around here, you know. You go to a school in the city and they're telling you like you can't say it that way. It's flowers, you have to enunciate it. And you can, I can, I want to, but when you say, Oh, that's me flares. I got such pretty flares out there in my bed. You know, I mean, that's just yeah, that's that's how you pronounce it.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:35

I don't say I don't enunciate it, it takes too much effort to say flowers. Uh I don't know to me, flowers just rolls off a tongue easy, and it's over and done with, you know.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:46

I'll I'll tell you this accent makes a difference because when I was at the sex offender facility working, I wasn't an inmate, I was a worker. And when I was at that decision, they would want to clarify that because when I say that, well, when I was there, everybody's like, but there was a guy there from Ohio, right? And he would get the boys so pissed off because, like, all right, guys, it's time to get up. Come on, all you get up, it's time to get up now. Let's go. Hey, and he would call people by their first and last name, like Jimmy Stewart, let's go, come on, we got to get, and it's like, dude, stop. You're irritating everybody, and it's like just your voice, it's like, why? I said, Because in the South, not even in the south, but in Appalachia period, the only time you get enunciated at is when your ass is in trouble.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:42

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:43

Yeah, about your mom, because your mom could be like, you need to clean your room, you little shit ass, you need to clean your room, or I'm gonna whoop you, you're gonna pick a switch for me. But as soon as your mom said, Well, as soon as your mom called you by all three names and enunciated, yeah, you ain't still get your ass in here right now. You knew your ass was gonna get whooped. Yeah, you were fucked. Because enunciation is considered aggressive, or not considered, it's like subconsciously aggressive to people in the chain. Right, it just is. I don't know why, but when people enunciated me, you're kind of like, whoa, what fuck, bro? Because when my our parents enunciated at us, we was about to get a whooping. Yeah, you knew you were in trouble. You knew you fucked up. Yeah, so that's what I told you. I said, All these kids are local. They're all all these boys here are local. Because they were between the ages of 13 and 21. Like when they were 18, if anything happened, they could go to prison, or depending on what their case was, if they go to prison or they could be released to be homeless or wherever, or they could go back to their families. But after 18 to 20, once you were 21, you were done done. Um, but yeah, it was it was a facility ran by Youth Services International based out of Texas.

unknown 2:11:59

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:00

And uh yeah, it was a sex, it was supposed to be uh like a two and a half year program. Nobody ever finished it. We had people living there for five years, like it was like they've been there forever, and that's not because their family didn't want them. Like um between me and you and but everybody else listening, there's no fixing sex offenders at all. Yeah, there's nothing you can do to rehab, there's nothing. And um a lot of those, yeah, they offended when they were kids, but their own families didn't want them back, foster families wouldn't take them. Uh DCS was trying to play some places, and they're just like, I'm sorry you did what you did, but you did what you did. And then sometimes it was sucked for because you felt kind of bad, but at the same time, you'd look on their little victims poster and you would see anywhere from 10 to 25 victims, and that's people that they had molested. You know, it's just like yeah, I mean, you had people there you worked with every day, you had people you could tolerate, you know, and some of them, some of them you kind of liked, but in the end, when it comes down to it, if you've seen them outside on the outs, I don't want them around my family. No, yeah, you don't want to move them near anything because it was like, no, and me and my wife at the time, I asked wife, we had a code word that if we were ever out, and I said something like pineapple, you know, she knew to take the kids and get away from me. Yeah, so a lot of a lot of police families do that too. You know, if they're out with their family, it'll be a code word so they can get the family away if they see people that they've had problems with. But yeah, yeah, all that stuff. But yeah, it was um that was one of the best jobs I ever had in my whole life. The sad part is I didn't realize it until I didn't do it no more.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:52

Oh no shit.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:53

Oh, the people I worked with, most of them were like spot on and high speed. Um, just imagine every single day is like full metal jacket. That's how you talk to people every single morning, getting out of bed. If they didn't get out of bed, you got them out of bed. If they wanted to fight, then you wrapped them up, you put them in isolation, then they had to get situated, get their stuff together, and then get in the school, which the school floor was in the building. It was a big three-story building, and it was at the Lakeshore facility where the asylum was at.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:24

Oh, no shit.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:25

So same place. Oh, yeah, you had the main building, which was Choda, and that's where if you got picked up for being crazy by the police, that's the admissions building. And then the sex offender building was next to it. Then you had the cafeteria, but then on the other side around the campus was I think like eight acres, and each building was adult sex offenders. There was adult like crazy crazies, like level four locking you down, like you gotta be on um lithium, like you're that bad off. And um hell, we had we had boys at 16 years old on lithium because they can't, if you take them off of it, they'll be right trying to put their dicks in everything and trying to touch everybody, trying to fight people. Like it was uh it was a violent place. I had my ribs broke there. I got stabbed, I got slashed in the arm with a uh shank. Um God, dude. I've had piss thrown on me. I mean, it's just you know, like I said, it was because of the people you work with, they usually the makes or breaks a job. Yeah, and uh you grow big skin, you really do. And uh I don't know. You just you're either for that kind of job or you're not. Yeah, you can either work in a gym or you can't. You can either work in that environment or you can't. Drug and alcohol is the same thing. It was level four lockdown. So all the boys in that that team facility was they were court-ordered to be there. They could not leave. They did try to escape. Um, God, yeah, dude. It's it was uh, but in the end, like you learn a lot about humans, and uh I did start teaching uh Bible study and theology there at that drug and alcohol facility for the last year and a half. That's what started me uh teaching and uh doing things of that name. Now I teach the first two Sundays at the Anderson County Jail. So on Sunday nights I go in there at 7 p.m. and I teach. I tell them straight up, I'm not here to evangelize you because every single person that comes in there tries to get you give your life to Jesus. You know you want to do it, you know you're gonna come on, you know, you want to be with Jesus. It's like calm down with that. Because when I decided to be a Christian, it's like you go to church every Sunday, and the sermon was always about getting people there. It was never about what to do once you're there, right? So when I tell the inmates, hey guys, I'm not here to evangelize you, but this is going to be like a seminar. And I'll have a dry race board as big as this wall, and I got my markers, and as I'm teaching, I'll sit there and draw pictures and draw things out and write it. I did an hour and a half uh last Sunday or this past Sunday, and I've been there for up to two and a half hours. As long as they're willing to sit there and ask questions and participate, I'll keep teaching. So I teach theology.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:13

That's cool. And how long you've been doing that now? Where you've been doing the teaching?

SPEAKER_00 2:17:19

Oh, at the jail, it's almost been a year. However, I had been teaching theology since drug and alcohol, so 10, 11 years, somewhere in there.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:30

Oh wow. So wow.

unknown 2:17:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:33

And I used to be in Facebook groups uh doing apologetics, which is where you debate, is all that is. And uh what helped me was a guy when we used to go to church in Corrington, the uh the college age pastor, that guy was a professor at UT here at the University of Tennessee. And he knew that I like to ruminate, he knew my personality, and he would say, Come up here, and be like, What? And he'd get close and say, The rapture, is it real or not? Tell me next Sunday. And then I would be like, God, I never even thought about it. So then I had to go study it. Then he'd be like tithing. Do we are we really supposed to do it? Yes or no? Let me know next Sunday. And so he would give me things like that, and so I learned a lot about different topics because he forced me to study them.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:23

Yeah, that's fucking fun.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:24

So thank you. That's just all but yeah, that's uh so that kind of got me into it. My favorite thing is the Nephilim. I love to teach about the giants in Genesis 6 and all that drama and all the monsters and all the stuff and all that. I have literally, I think it's a three-hour class, and when I teach it at the jail, it takes me three times, three sessions to get through it.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:49

And I can see why that's I can see why you do you kind of choose that just based on just based on the way you were with you know with your fucking the little figures and and just the way that your setup is, you can tell you're you're kind of into that that uh thought well the the haunting or the hint way of things, you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:08

It's very people don't want to talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 2:19:10

People don't want their pastors don't want to talk about that stuff because it it doesn't feel church fused and it looks magical. But I'm like, if you believe in the Bible and you're trying to convince you say, do you believe that there was a flood? Well, yeah, okay, then why would you not teach about the Nephilim? Why would you not teach about the refroid? Why would you not teach about these things? You know, that's in there. Why would why would you omit them? Because they seem fantasy-like, then basically you're just to me, I consider it you're lying to me if you omit. You know, like, hey, did you did you go where you were saying you were going? Uh technically, I did go exactly. Yeah, I did go to the mall, but I stopped at this other place too. That's that you're lying to me, you're omitting. So to me, if a pastor's not telling the full story, I'm kind of like, you're you're lying to your congregation.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:19:59

But that gives me room to sit there and talk about stuff, and and then I'll take questions. If they ask me, um, because all the current events, they're like, are the um are the people in Israel today the Israel of the Bible? And it's like, no, they're not. They have no lineage to those people, you know. And it's like, what about the Palestinians? Are they the Philistines? It's like, no, they were conquered in like one thing it's 150 AD, I think, or 650 A.D., I think it was 650 AD, and they were absorbed, they were conquered by Nebuchadnezzar and they were absorbed into Babylon. So the people there today, the Palestinians, are not the Philistines you read about in Old Testament.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:40

So that's the thing. I mean, I answer questions, that's what I do. So, you know, and that's why people are engaged. Let's put it this way. When I teach at the jail, the other classes have two and three people. I had 14.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:54

Damn, that's good. That's a good turnout. That's pretty damn good.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:58

So, but I learned that doing that at the drug and alcohol. You know, because everybody tells us the story, you know, the passion. Everybody wants to talk about Christmas and and all that. Well, I talk about the other parts that nobody wants to. And that's and honestly, what I heard about the giants, that's what started me studying.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:21

No shit.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:22

So if I can get you engaged and excited about it, like, what do you mean they're raping people and murdering people and chopping off heads? Well, that's in the no, it's not. The Bible's all about love and forgiveness. It's like, then you ain't read it. Yeah, it's like you need to read it and learn from other people's mistakes. So, but yes, sir. But I have at the same time though, I don't care what religion somebody is, I have friends of all different faiths. So it doesn't that doesn't bother me. I'm not sitting there pushing it. If you have questions, by all means ask me, you know, but don't presume because I'm a different religion than you that I'm gonna be mean to you, right? You know, and I have been told it's like we're like no Christian I've ever met before. And it's like because I'm real, like I'm straight up with you on stuff, that's just how I'm gonna be. Yeah, so yeah, but that's where I'm at with that.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:21

But yeah, I do those things and you don't strike me as the kind of person either that you know, if if someone is different and has a difference of opinion, that you're just like, oh well, fuck you then. I'm not gonna we're not we're not cool anymore. You're the kind of person that could listen and take shit in and and go on, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:41

Well, I had a lady tell me one time and she was like, the whole idea of of Jesus and Christianity is so wrong, and it just seems so fake. And then she wanted to turn around and say, But I said, Well, what is your belief? She goes, Well, I believe in the Viking stuff, and I'm like, Okay. I was like, So you think that the world didn't flood and that and that there's a big god in the sky looking down, a big sky daddy, but you think that Odin has two crows and two wolves that go around the earth and tell him everything that's going on, and you know, and it's like you think I mean that you think Thor's really throwing a hammer, it's like I don't know. I mean, you can believe what you want to believe, but you don't try to discredit what I believe, you know what I'm saying? And that's what I don't do with people. It's just like, here's your thing, you know, and it's cool. It's like I try to make people think I could tell you, I can sit here and tell you this is what your problem is. But if I can talk to you and give you rhetorical questions to make you realize, dang, I do have a problem with that. That's there you go. Yeah, and that's a big thing as a counselor, because I was you know a case worker for 13 years, and as a counselor, you know, and doing that work, I can sit there and tell you, well, this, this, and this is your problem. And you're gonna you're gonna get like, oh, whatever, I'm not listening to you. But if I could talk to you and make you realize that that's what you're doing wrong, and you realize it without me telling you, that goes a hundred percent further.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:11

Yeah.

unknown 2:24:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:13

So, but yes, sir, I was a psychology major.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:17

Well, that's fucking cool, man. And that's cool that you're still paying it forward and kind of helping the men, you know. Now, do you just do the men's prison or do you do you also go into the women's prisons and do stuff?

SPEAKER_02 2:24:29

They don't let me go in there.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:31

Oh, they don't? Well, I guess they wouldn't. Yeah, I don't know how that works. You know, knock on wood, you know. I hope they'll never figure that out.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:41

No, there's women that do it, they go in there and they're they're there at the same time, but I go to the room in the area I go to because it has the dry erase board. And I tried with a small one, I bought one at Walmart and I tried using it, but I fill it up, and and literally my board is as big as that wall. It's like it's probably five by eight. And uh I just put a lot of shit on there.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:06

My board was filled up, and then when they ask me questions and stuff, because because of in the past dealing with at the same time, because I'm a Christian, doesn't mean that all Christians like me because they see me as some kind of wild card. And I have went to a church to teach. This pastor called me and said, Hey man, he was in a bike club and he was a youth pastor and said, Hey, bro, I got kids over here. My youth group thinks that if you have an STD and you can take a pill for it, then it doesn't count. He goes, I need help. And I said, When do you want me? He goes, Can you come tonight? So I show up and uh I'm wearing like a flannel shirt with khaki pants or so. I might have been wearing jeans, but I was dressed all you know, cholo. And the people there, the church folk, were just like, oh my god, who's this guy? Uh-huh. Totally ignored me, didn't even want to shake my hand, didn't want nothing to do with me. I get downstairs, I talk to these boys, we're sitting there going through stuff, we're hashing this thing out biblically and from a man's perspective as well. You know, and in the end, we get done and we go upstairs, and then all of a sudden, when he introduced me as the Reverend Mark Bees, all of a sudden everybody wanted to come shake my hand and meet with me. And I was like, Nope, I don't play games like that.

unknown 2:26:36

Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:26:37

You're either real to me now, or you're not if you're not real with me now, then you're not gonna be real with me. Once don't just, I don't like that. I don't like smiley glad hands.

unknown 2:26:46

Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:26:46

So, and that's not even just with them, that's with music too. Uh with Dead Moon's Gray, couldn't find guitar players, couldn't find bass players, and then when you would get people, they want to change the music, they want to steal the music. We signed on three different contracts. Then, as soon as we signed with Sound Mass, all of a sudden, hey man, do you need a guitar player? I'll come play with you. It's like, nope, we got it covered now. Hey man, do you need a bass player? No, I don't. We don't need nothing of that now. Well, you're being an asshole and acting all conceived. Why? Because when I needed you to help me, you didn't want nothing to do with it. Yeah, exactly. Now that I'm now that the little red hen has already planted the grain, harvested the grain, and made the bread, you want to come eat the bread with me. Sorry, that's not how that works.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:35

Yeah, it's funny, it's funny how people aren't willing to help push and get that trainer rolling down the tracks, but boy, once it starts getting some steam, then they're wanting to fucking jump on in groves, you know.

SPEAKER_00 2:27:45

And then they have the we hate Mark B's club. Because well, Marcus is doing this, and Marcus is doing that. It's like I'm over here just living my life. It's like y'all the ones that didn't want to play with me until you know it reached a certain level.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:28:01

So y'all laughed at it until it got on the label, and now it's cool all of a sudden. So sorry. Now you're done throwing the shade. And it's the same thing with the Hanks, it's the same thing it wasn't six or six. The people that are on and straight up dealing with me right now, because I'm gonna shop the Hanks to labels. That's that's my goal. I want I want to hit an independent label, I'm not going for majors, and I'm gonna shop it. But the people dealing with me now, I don't forget those people, you know. If you're dealing straight with me, then I'm gonna help push everything I can of you, you know, in the future. You know, it's just that's I can be your best friend or I can be your worst enemy. So, and that's just it. It's like if you do me wrong, if you lie to me, you steal from me, and cheat on me and shit. Guess what? I don't want nothing to do with you. Yeah, you know, but if you're cool with me now when I'm not famous, when I get famous, guess what? You're gonna be famous as much as I can help you get there. Yeah, you know, I'll be up there. If you want to come up, hey, you want to come do this? Hey, you remember your band? Come on up here too. Hey, the podcast, hell, we'll come back and do it again. We'll try, you know, if I'm famous, shit. I would be trying to get this on a national level, get it seen, get it heard. That just brings you more. I appreciate that, brother.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:16

I really do. Because that's the way I've been acting, you know, like with me being retired from the city, you know, it's uh you know, I do and I'm doing what I'm doing because number one, it's interesting and it's trying to learn something completely new without having to rely on someone else's paying to go to college for education for it. But the big thing too is just try to help each other give a leg up when when we're all down here in the bottom of the pond. You know, I call I use pond scum as the fucking my terminology of being ground zero starting off. And it's like, why are we why are we not helping each other all elevate to to to try to come to the surface? But some people want to elevate, and then like you said, there's some people that wanna that wanna you'll you'll help them elevate, and once you've helped and they're no longer you're no longer a value to them, then they wash their hands of you. And I think that's a little discouraging. But what do you do? You know, you just you gotta learn from it and then move on, and then learn to help the people that actually appreciate it. So I really appreciate you you know giving my podcast a chance. I I want to thank you again, not to beat that horse too much, but I mean I am very um I'm very appreciative and very honored that you chose to to do this, especially since is is you know, I mean my fucking backdrop is it's cool, but that's a fucking beach towel. I mean, it's like my broke ass is, you know, I'm I'm assembling things just a little at a time, just whatever I can do until I can start making some money from this, because I'm not making a lot of money. So without dipping into personal money, it's like uh let's just let's try to see what happens in this podcast thing. I mean, hell, the only reason I'm pushing it is because Pamela pushed me. She's like, you need to do it. So and I think she's right, and I'm enjoying it. So I've had a great time today. We're at a two and a half hour mark, so I'm sure most everybody's gone, and most people may not tune in and watch the whole show. But for those who did stick it out, thank you all so much for being a part of this show. And um, is there do you want to take a minute to go ahead and tell everybody like where can they find Holler Haints? Where can they, you know, if you do got a few, you mentioned it earlier, but you may want to reiterate it that way people track to the end and see they can find out where they can check you out and what what's you got upcoming maybe for the next month or so. So if they want to, if you're in the area and you want to check out a good show, then fucking buy a ticket and go support this guy and his guys.

SPEAKER_00 2:31:48

Um we have the next show, is um well, it's a collected show, it's Pam Showcase at uh Alley Ray's in Knoxville. But but that's an acoustic. Our first full-on like big electric show with the full band is gonna be on April 11th at Pirates Club, and that's at Jimmy Herrero's venue. And uh Jimmy's been good to me. Uh that's why I like when I'm you know, when he saw me playing guitar, he was like on the bottom of your guitar, you know, he put these like you need to put one of my stickers on there. And I was like, cool. So and I've got different decals made, you know, for the holler paints. And it's like, so when we go up there, I'm gonna give him a decal and say, now you can put this to where everybody's you know watching your your live, because he live streams when you're playing there, and be like, now everybody can see a holler paint decal every you know when they look. We're on Facebook, we're on Facebook, it's on uh YouTube. Um anywhere you'll see the skull, that's that's Herschel.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:49

So that's just his name is Herschel too. That's fucking badass. So that's just fucking that's just awesome.

SPEAKER_00 2:32:59

Soon, what I'd like to get it is to a point where you don't even have to put Holler Haynes, you just put that skull on there, and people will know exactly what it is.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:06

Absolutely. Yeah, and I'm assuming um music-wise, I'm assuming if if anybody out there streams on Spotify, Apple Music, all that good shit, um, I'm sure that you're you all are probably pretty much on all of streaming platforms.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:20

Uh yeah, we still have to.

SPEAKER_00 2:33:24

We've been in discussion about going to different studios because I'm torn between a studio and a live, because I'd I'd really like the energy, but to record it live and it sounds great is really complex. So, and I'm trying to weigh the checks and balances of that because some songs will sound better studio, and then there's some like the the psychobilly stuff and the uh the cowpunk songs are gonna sound to me, they're gonna sound so much better live with that energy and that that that anger and that that power coming out, as opposed to the more. Country sound and stuff, which I think would sound better, you know, studio-wise, you can put in all the little extra, you know, instruments and stuff like that. So but yes, uh, we're not on that yet. Right now it's just YouTube as far as music. Um, I have not created a Instagram yet. I just put them on my the Mark B's one. I'll put videos and pictures of it. It's me motorcycle riding and it's me playing music. That's what's on that already. So hell yeah. But yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:28

Well, I'm like you. I've I've got Instagram. I need to start doing more with it. Apparently it's on a goal now that I gotta do. And so I've been learning technology and it's been uh it's it's it's why I'm so gray. When I actually sat down uh a year ago, I actually was salt and pepper. Now I'm just looking I'm just looking pretty shitty. I guess just for men, maybe in my future where I can uh die that bitch. Either that or I'm just gonna embrace the gray and be done with it. But I appreciate you signing that uh signing that thing uh for the for one of the uh you know uh Scott in there. That's that was awesome that he wanted the autograph. That's cool as hell. I appreciate uh Pam for reaching out to him and kind of getting all that intel where they can send that. Miss Valerie's still in. She says it's been interesting here. Thank you, Miss Val. I'll tell you what, Valerie is she is one of uh several that are so supportive. There it is.

SPEAKER_00 2:35:26

That's the web page trying to get it to where it can be on there. It's hollerhaintsband.com. And that has like right now we have 15 shows. There's pictures, there's a couple of videos on it. But yeah, it's hollerhaintsband.com.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:42

And uh you heard it there, ladies and gentlemen.

SPEAKER_00 2:35:44

So go there and check it out. Do y'all sell merch? Well, I have it, but nah, we haven't started selling it yet. I have two runs of buttons, I have five different decals to choose from. I ordered some guitar picks yesterday. Um, and the t-shirt design, I have designed the t-shirts, and uh they're pretty cool looking. I just haven't shopped to get them, they're like cost to get them printed. You'll have Herschel, you'll have Herschel up on the high, high on the chest, and then on the back, it'll say Holler Hanks. Then design two will say Holler Hanks, kind of small in the middle. So if you're wearing a leather vest like a motorcycle vest, you can see it. And then on the back will be the logo like that right there, you know, where it's Herschel with Holler above and hains below, and below it.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:33

So that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 2:36:35

So that'll be on the back of the Top, you know.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:38

And you see the card that he signed right there, ladies and gentlemen. You go to you, you know, he I'm assuming he's gonna have those cards right there. That's it's this one's framed, but they're gonna have these cards that shows. You'll be able to get one of these cards and get these guys to sign your stuff, and you can do the same thing that he did there, put it in a nice frame, hang it on a wall somewhere. And uh definitely, definitely check out Holler Haints for sure. They are a lot of fun. Like I say, it's they're definitely something that you don't, they're not a cliche. You don't uh they're not one of the typical sounds that you hear nowadays where you know like everything's gone almost popish. They are not like that. They uh they meld a lot of different music together to make a really high energetic sound. So if you're into upbeat shit, you're into just rocking, but also got that Western appeal, rockabilly appeal, shit like that, you gotta check these guys out because they're gonna be right up your alley for sure. So I even loved, I loved watching. There was I forget which one it was. There was a horror, a horror pop one that I forget what the name of the band was. Maybe that was the name, but anyway, they did rockabilly shit, but they had stand-up basses that were look like coffins. So and they were handmade. Like the guy made them himself, he made his own instruments.

SPEAKER_00 2:37:57

I forget who the fuck it was. That's necroman.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:00

Oh, necroman, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 2:38:04

Yeah, that's the band is called Necromantics.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:07

Necromantics.

SPEAKER_00 2:38:08

Where was he from? I think it's like Sweden or somewhere. He was in the army, and when he got out, he wanted to play Rockabilly and then turned into Psychobilly. But he's married now to the chick that's a singer for the horror pops.

SPEAKER_02 2:38:22

And that's great singer. That's his band.

SPEAKER_00 2:38:26

But he plays guitar in that band. But there is some live footage. He plays bass and sings, right? And then there is footage where he'll take his guitar off and she'll hand him the bass, and he'll sit up there and start ripping it up on the bass. But yeah, he made that cast. That's his bass. He made that.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:44

Yeah, that's badass, dude. He what he made was fucking awesome. But that's exactly who it is. I was drawing a huge brain fart of why I could not remember them. But horror pops, that's right. That was the band. That was his wife's band. And uh, but yeah, the necromantics. That's uh, like I say, that's if you like that kind of music, then you want to check these guys out because they they do this, but they also incorporate some of your old school, like western style chicken picking and stuff, too, along with it, to where it's it makes for just a really interesting experience for your ears. That's for damn sure.

SPEAKER_00 2:39:22

That's the long kind of along the line. Like we could play with them, but and we wouldn't even be crossing like into each other's territory. They're called Ghoultown, like G-O-U-L, like a ghoul, like ghoul town. Ghoultown is like a southwestern, like metal, western punk band. It's kind of like us, but we're more Appalachia-based. Uh, they have like a Midwestern sound, so they have a trumpet player, and uh, you know, their songs sound like you know, like Western Cowboy songs, but with distortion. Ours is more Appalachia-based. Like uh the two bands could play together totally and not even be like like, well, you're copying us because there's no copy. It's just like it's two different, you know, they're down in like Arizona in that area, and we're over here in the mountains. But the similarities are there. That's like one of the closest things I could tell people to listen to, other than that or Hank Three. So if you go in some Sheldon.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:20

And Hank Three's, yeah, he's fun. He's really fun. Now, what's the what was the name of the Pirates thing again that that uh you go to that the one that uh supports you we were just talking about?

SPEAKER_00 2:40:35

Uh Pirates Club. There's called Pirates Club Pirates, yeah. Pirates club.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:40

So I want to give a shout out to the Pirates Club for him, just for that simple fact that you know that uh and you know I'm gonna dedicate dedicate this happy accident for you guys there at the Pirates Club. So I I I'll look forward, I don't know if they have a Facebook, but I do look forward to looking up the Pirates Club and seeing seeing their Facebook if they have one and what they're all about. And uh, but a big shout out to them for uh for myself and for uh Mark here because uh apparently y'all are pretty pivotal in his life.

SPEAKER_00 2:41:12

So if it's well Jimmy will treat you good. Uh when you show up, it's not just a mute, you're not just gonna see a band play, there's also food and beverages. And if you just want to see the band play, you can pay one price because that money goes to the band. And if you want to eat and hang out and you know, and drink, sometimes he'll have a keg or he'll have make, you know, uh different liquors, like whatever. You can pay 20 bucks, you know, it doesn't matter. And there's there's food, there's always food, and it's you know, whether it's nachos and whether it's taco making, whether it's soups and stews, like you can go up there and hang out, like you're not just going to sit there and watch a band and do nothing. Like there's you know, and there's a fire pit outside, so there's places to go you can subgroup and do whatever. I mean, it's uh the pirate one's definitely like a little it's its own little thing, but he just likes to showcase bands. It doesn't matter if you're an acoustic act, if it's a metal act, if it's death metal, if it's punk, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:15

That's that's that's really awesome. I love that. And you know, that's what I what I love most about that too is you know, like you said, the like the price. Even the price, the price to eat and go watch a band is so much like you can't balk at that. That's that's fucking awesome. Because if you were to go see one of these really big bands at an arena somewhere, well, fuck you. You ain't you're gonna pay minimum 90 bucks, and that'd be at the nosebleed. Like you're you wouldn't even be able to tell what anybody looks like, but you could go to something like the Pirates Club and you could go in, you could eat, drink, have good good fucking uh time with people, but you can also go see great bands like this that are so close that you can literally go up and touch them. And it's like you can't get that, you know. I couldn't do that if I wanted to go see like five finger death punch. I couldn't go see I can't get anywhere near five finger death punch, I'm sure, without spending thousands because they're so fucking big. So there is I I I do also think that bands that are starting off are in a really cool fucking place because the fans can actually get an experience with somebody like you where they can actually they they feel a different connection than you feel if you go to an arena and you're watching the same show. You know what I'm saying? It's just I don't know to me to me, I like that smaller quaint crowd so much better, you know.

SPEAKER_00 2:43:40

It's more intimate and with the Holler Hanks, I play uh instrument and I sing, but with Six or Six, I only sing, and I do play acoustic every now and then, but it depends on the songs. But generally, I can do a whole hour, you know, and not even have to play an instrument. And I have a wireless mic and I've been down in the crowd. I'm getting people to sing alone. I'm walking around doing interviews with my microphone and talking to people, you know, just are you having fun? You know, the solo going on this or do you have fun screen for me? You know, doing stuff and getting down in their face, getting down there with the people. That's the one negative I have about the Haints is that it binds me, the instrument traps me.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:44:26

So what I have to do is I guess I'm I have to figure in ways to get participation and to include people like I did in the past, is have them come up on stage with me because I can't go down there with them. And as long as they don't step on the pedalboard, they were doing good. So that's it.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:44

If they do know it's like they step on your pedalboard, they're changing the code. We're now we're now starting a different song.

SPEAKER_00 2:44:50

So But that's kind of what we want in any of the bands that we play with and we know, you know, between me and Jesse, it's like if you have a band and you're just starting out and you don't have a lot of experience, cool, come hang out with us, come watch how rehearsal goes. Learn how that goes. If you just don't have experience playing out, cool, come do the collective with us. Get used to the crowd, get used to being playing with people, get used to doing these things. You know, hell, we even help you get shows. We help people, we help anybody, honestly, anybody that's nice to us, you know, it's like, yeah, we'll help you out, we'll do shit.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:45:25

So and I mean there are just too many people here in in Knoxville. This is the problem in Knoxville, then I'll I'll close after this. The problem here is my wallet was stuck. Um, so it happened. It got stuck. Um, the problem in Knoxville is a lot of the bands don't want to hang out and intermingle. So if I'm in my band, I'm over here, and you're in your band and you're over here, and you'll be at a venue and only like four or five people's talking. And you're like, why ain't nobody interacting? It's just that whole mindset of this is my band and that's your band. It's like we're not in a competition, bro. I mean, you kind of are, but you're really not. You know, it's like we're not in a contest, but I'm competitive with that's me.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:16

There's plenty of music and plenty of venues to go around, that there's no reason to be shitty with other people.

SPEAKER_00 2:46:21

And then it's and then it's stupid over their fans. Like, why were you clapping along while they were playing? You were here to see me. And it's like, what? It's like you can't tell people who they can and can't like. It's like, so that's like a that's a mindset here to get people out of that. That's that's one of these things, get people to intermingle and it just well, we play death metal, so we can't play with the bluegrass band. Yeah, you can come on out. That's what we're gonna do with the drugs, you know. It's you know, it's like just come out, just do stuff. There's there's not limits. Music is music because it's limitless, right? It's it's it's it's you can do whatever you want with it, and it doesn't have to be. You could have a show with a bluegrass band, a death metal band, and a cover band. That's a great show. You got music for everybody, you know, it's just like, hey, there you go. It just and one of my favorite bands, I forget their name, but all these boys were like 17 and 18 years old. And we played at the Drove Theater, and we started jamming out, and they started a mosh pit. And I was like, I'm gonna get down there with them. And I had the microphone down there, you know, and I'm I'll be walking out over on stuff, and you know, I'll be climbing everywhere. It's if I'm wireless, I'm everywhere. And uh, but that was one of the things. I was like, they had no inhibitions because they were young, and I was like, this is the example all these bands in this room need to be doing right here. They need to be following this. Just be free, just be happy. Music, either you either like it or you hate it. It's either or, you know. Yeah, have fun. It's like, come on now.

SPEAKER_03 2:48:05

If you if you don't like it, then you can tune into something different.

SPEAKER_00 2:48:09

If you don't like it, go outside and go get something to eat, go hang out in the way, because the lobby at the theater is huge. There's couches and chairs everywhere. Go hang out. Then when the next band plays, guess what? You can come back in there and see if you like them. It's just a it's a 12-hour hangout, is what the throbes is.

SPEAKER_03 2:48:26

That sounds that's really fucking cool.

SPEAKER_00 2:48:29

But that's us. I mean, that's what we're doing, and uh, I appreciate you having me on here.

SPEAKER_03 2:48:33

No, I really do appreciate you, brother. Big time. Thank you so much. I had a great time talking to you the other day. I mean, goddamn, we talked for a long time and it was I had a really good time.

SPEAKER_00 2:48:44

It's been two hours and 48 minutes now, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:48:47

Yeah, oh yeah, we're hitting that. I damn we are hitting the three. I tell you what, man, that's well, my mouth never shuts the fuck up anyway. So, you know, it's not I shouldn't be surprised, but on the same token I am, I'm like sitting here and it's like it I can't believe we're almost at three hours, and uh it doesn't seem like we've been on here uh you know an hour at best to me. You know, it feels like that, but it's really three hours. It's like fuck. So I appreciate you taking three hours out of your day to uh do this for sure.

SPEAKER_00 2:49:19

All right, you're welcome, man. It's anytime really, it's like we just you know, let me know ahead of time and we can do it. And uh same bat time, same bat channel. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 2:49:31

That's how you that's some old school shit right there, man. That is some that is some old school shit, and I love it.

SPEAKER_00 2:49:39

I was saving that to the end so I could say, hey, follow the podcast at the same bat time, same bat channel.

SPEAKER_03 2:49:45

So well, brother, thanks a million for being on this show. I had a great fucking time. Uh, wish you all the very best. I know I'm gonna see you again because obviously I'm gonna see it. I'm sure you're gonna be at the word show. I'm gonna be there as well. I'm gonna try to help this Pam out as much as I can. And uh definitely I've got a I've got a job to do, at least, at least for one segment of it, which is nice. So um I look forward to seeing you there, and I look forward to seeing some performances there as well. So, again, everybody, if you're interested, the seating's gonna be limited. So it's only a hundred tickets sold to the outsiders. Why? Because Ms. Pam wants to make this award show to where people like Mark here don't have to pay to go to an award show and sit and see if they win or or experience it. They they get to go and you know for free. So she's selling 100 tickets. So if you're an outsider looking, get it now and do it quick, because you also need to look into hotels. And I suggest this for anyone listening: if you are an artist that plans on going, do not be a procrastinator and drag your feet on your hotels because apparently they're having a like I don't know, a 5k or some shit. They're they're having something going on, marathon or mini marathon the same day. So hotels in that proximity could become taxed, you know, in regards to limited space. So if you want to try to get a hotel that's somewhat in walking distance, so you could also have some drinks after this show, you may want to go ahead now and secure your room so you're not having to drive 30 or 40 minutes away from the venue when the time comes. So something to think about. But again, thanks for Mark uh Bees for being on this show with us. We look to see Jesse still listening, apparently. But uh shout out to Jesse Cleeland. Um, he's also one of the band members we tried to get in here. Maybe we'll have both these guys back in again at some point in time. But you never know. Who knows? They may jump in and they may see me on sometime and just jump in all wimbly bimbly. We'll see. But um Val, peace. Thanks for staying, you know, and and showing up and hanging out as usual. Uh Miss Pam, thank you for being a part of all this. And thanks for getting all the behind-the-scenes stuff done while we were talking. So that's very nice. And Scott, looks to me like you're gonna get yourself a you know a signed signed Holler Hanks uh merch. So that's flipping awesome. So I'm excited about that for you. And there's some merch, uh, everybody check out right here to the right. Uh there's definitely got some stickers, but got some buttons going on. So he's gearing up with his merch stuff too. So again, you see Holler Haynes on a ticket somewhere, go check these guys out, give them some support, show them some love, and uh and pick yourself up some cool ass fucking merch because everybody loves Herschel. So definitely, definitely pick up some cool ass merch.

SPEAKER_00 2:52:50

I want Herschel to be as famous as Eddie. That's what I want.

SPEAKER_03 2:52:54

Well, you're you're already on your way, brother. So it's just a matter of time.

SPEAKER_00 2:52:58

And he's he's definitely a killer design, and that would be people see Herschel, they'd be seeing him and be like, look, it's it's Mountain Eddie.

SPEAKER_03 2:53:06

But you know, oh Herschel. Never know. I might get lucky one of these days. You ever get a Herschel costume? I might be able to partake and be Herschel once on a show. That'd be fun.

SPEAKER_00 2:53:20

I think it'd be cool to have someone walking around with Herschel on and with big long skeletons and slapping at the crowd and stuff, and it'd just be fun. I mean, Herschel, you know, it's he's part of the band, you know. It's like, there you go. He just don't get paid.

SPEAKER_03 2:53:36

Yeah. Well, he yeah, he's the one that doesn't, yeah, you don't have to worry about monetary figures. So, you know. All right, well, I guess we're gonna wrap this up, ladies and gentlemen. We're put creeping right up now on the three-hour mark. So thanks again, Mark, for uh coming out and hanging out with me for this morning. I appreciate you getting up early. And um it was a good show. Again, this is Bones with the uh Unfiltered Podcast. So this is not gonna be edited. I don't know how to do that shit yet. So that's part of the reason why the name came about the way it is, is because I have a potty mouth and and I so I'm not very filtered. And then of course um I just don't know how to edit shit. So when we go live, it's organic and it is what it is. It's not the greatest podcast in the world, but you know what? One day it just very well may be. So time will tell. So thanks, Mark. I wish you and the family, you know, the family all well. I wish uh you and the band the best. Definitely say hi to everybody else for me, and we look forward to seeing you all here. If not before, we'll definitely see you here in November for sure.

SPEAKER_00 2:54:43

All righty, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:54:44

Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 2:54:45

All right, brother. Thanks everybody for listening. All right, see y'all later.

SPEAKER_03 2:54:50

Peace out, brother. All right, ladies and gentlemen. Well, there you have it. That's uh wrap up for this show. This was episode one on the official name. So I'm episode one starting with Mark Bees from uh Holler Haints. So I was really blessed and glad that uh he wanted to come on this show. Um thank him again. Thank him. Check him out, guys, if y'all are interested. Like I say, if you're if you're all the kind of people that kind of like that rockability and some western style, if you like all that kind of collaboration, definitely check him out because uh he's gonna hit stuff that's gonna be entertaining to you for sure. Definitely got a lot of high energy. Again, check him out on Facebook. They have more to come with them. They he did set himself there are certain things that they they haven't quite got to in regards to maybe streaming platforms yet. Uh, but they're working on what's best angle and best for them. So as of right now, definitely you can go to YouTube. I looked at him this morning, so check out his YouTube stuff. If you forget, in the comments, we do have um a Miss Pam had wrote out. Out her website, um, his website, all that stuff is typed out in the comments. So just scroll until you find it. If you if you don't want to have to try to type or hunt and peck, then scroll down, click the link, go there, show this guy some love. Um, as for me, I just want to take a second. Um on my side, um we are almost done with James Lucre's uh we we got ourselves a guitarist again. So now we are set back with the three-piece band for us with James Lucre music. Um definitely check us out as well. Um, we are almost, and this was an Achilles heel for us. Um, we had to turn away a lot of gigs this year because we didn't have our own sound. So that is a big high priority we've been working on. So that being said, we are getting very much closer to where we were before uh in regards to having our own sound to at least do small venues. So definitely we're trying to get that done because that way we don't have to pass as much on stuff. Uh also check me out. Um if you don't mind, let's see. Well, I th I had it brought up. Um I just saw yesterday from the people magazine investigates cults. Um as you a lot of you all know, I was a cult leader on one of the episodes uh that they are shooting. And um let me put my glasses back on so I can see what the hell what the hell this says, so I can tell you. Um but anyway, uh people this got dropped the other day. Supposedly I'm gonna be in People Magazine Investigate season nine, episode nine, The Secrets of the Twelve Tribes Cult airs March 16th, 2026 on investigation discovery. So um, anybody who's interested, my role is not it's you know, it's it was my first acting role. The nice thing about it was is I get to uh I didn't have to also do lines. This is a documentary, so all audio is pretty much gonna be the actual people that were investigating this cult and actual like people that were participants or potentially people they were trying to bring into the cult. Uh, this is all stuff, all the audio is gonna be from those kind of individuals. So what I did was really just act in regards to there's there's no real vocal uh verbal stuff from us, it's just we the actors they told us we'll do what we did and we did it. So I'm the cult leader in that episode. So if you all would, you know, if you're interested in seeing my ugly mug, definitely check it out on March 16th. Again, it's Investigation Discovery, and that episode is called the 12 Tribes uh Cult. So thanks to uh everybody at Lex Studios and the People magazine for um giving me that opportunity to be one of the actors in that TV series on that episode. So I'm very honored and moved to have had that experience. And I hope I did good. If I sucked, then you don't you they probably won't hire me again, so you won't have to worry about seeing me. But if I did good, yeah, you never know. Who knows? But it was a cool experience for me, so I liked it. And if nobody else likes it, well then feel free to uh turn on Family Feud or Jeopardy or something. You know, I mean it's all good. So anyway, well, this is uh Until We Meet Again. This is episode one of the musical auditions that uh Bones Podcast is going to be doing. Um so again, episode one, Holler Haints. You just heard from Mark B's nice three hour episode. It went went longer than we thought, but you know what? I love it. And uh I was honored to have him on there. So we look forward to seeing them. And again, check out Southernlightsentertainment.com for uh Mrs. uh Miss Pam's website for um where you can go and check and vote for all these people, especially Mark. He's in there three different times bass, solo artist, and trailblazer. And then also Jesse, which we didn't get to have him on because he was driving. One of his other members is also nominated as well. So definitely go to Southernlightsentertainment.com, go in there, check out the board of all the fantastic artists that have been nominated for this year's award show. Uh check them out. Like I say, vote now, vote often. You can vote through September after September, then we shut it down for vote tallies, and then um we'll have that show, award show on November 14th. So we're looking forward to all that. So definitely check everybody out. And I will be doing a podcast with Wolf Vare tomorrow. Let's see, what day is it? Oh, uh Thursday. So Thursday I'll be doing a podcast with her. It may be, I don't know if it's gonna be on this channel or if it's gonna be on her channel. We will we'll determine. Not sure who's gonna be on that docket. If she's doing it, then she'll she'll have a uh set of people that we're gonna interview that day. So that's gonna be around the same time, about 10 15-ish, is when hers starts. So so look for us on Thursday for that. And then after that, I don't know. I don't know if I'll do any lives or like TikTok short things while I'm in Boston, but I board a plane Friday to fly to Boston, and I won't be back until Tuesday sometime. So um, so until then, uh everybody have a great safe day. Thanks for tuning in to the Bones Unfiltered podcast. And until we meet again for the next episode, peace. Much love and respect, everybody. Look forward to seeing everybody soon. Talk to you later. Bones out.