Bones Unfiltered Podcast Episode #5, featuring Juice Cleland

Featuring Juice Cleland from the Bands : Hollar Haints, The Sixer Six and No Return Address.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are currently live. Welcome to today's unusual episode. Um Bones Enterprises LLC presents Bones Unfiltered Podcast. I'm your host Bones. This is the first time that I've done a podcast this late. Most people think I'm fucking nuts for not doing it at like 8 o'clock at night. But I like the 10 o'clock. I mean, I I I'm old. I just like the I just like what I like. However, I got a cool guest with me. We tried to get him on earlier when we had Mark Bees in. We tried to get him in with us. However, due to what he does for a living, he was incapacitated. So we were gonna have to do this at another time. And since the schedule's so petty wompous, um, I wanted to go ahead since it worked. We were like, screw it. Bone's first ever double back-to-back day podcast. So I'm excited about that. Before we get started, I forgot to do this with BZ, and I do want to take just a moment of remembrance for someone. Um for those of you all that listen to country music, you'll appreciate this. If you don't, you may not know who I'm talking about. And if so, that's fine. But I do want to remember Daryl Singletary, a very famous country music person. He was born on today's date, 310 of 1971. And I just it's since it's the tenth. I wanted to say that because we're kind of in a remembrance of him. For those of y'all that do not know, uh, Daryl Singletary passed away 212 of 2018. So rest in peace, Daryl Singletary. For those of y'all who know who he is, he was very puddle and very good with the country music. Had a great voice, very very talented individual, much like the guy that's sitting right next to me. So I'd like to take a second to welcome everybody. We got Juice Cleland with us, and Juice has got he he's got so much shit going on, it's for real. He's a member of uh Holler Heights, which you all listened to this morning. And he's also a member of BZ's Town, so he does stuff with uh Mark as well when it comes to that aspect. And then not only does he do that, but he's uh it it is no return to center, correct? Is that how you say that? Just no return address. No return address. I don't know why I keep adding center to that, but he is part of the band no return address, and he and his lovely spouse are nominated for Duo of the Year with our uh our uh booking agency, which is for those of you all that don't know that may be new to here, it is Southern Lights Entertainment, hosted and owned by Miss Pamela Little. So big shout out to Pam! Hell yeah, Pam. We love you. Pam's gonna be in here for sure. If she's not already in here, let me get back on this page. Yep, she is here. So is Miss Elizabeth Pence. Elizabeth Pence is a fan. I'm just gonna recognize before we get started. She is somebody who, I tell you what, she's a great friend. She she is one of the few that pretty much, if she's available anytime I do anything, she sticks her head in and says hi, and I love it. So, Pam, uh Elizabeth, welcome, Pam. Welcome. Uh, we also got John Weber. He goes, I love you, juice. So you've already got your first guy in here. Welcome, John. Thanks for fucking coming into the show. Now, Bones Podcast is pretty much unfiltered, so this is designed. It's not really designed for children in mind because I have a potty mouth, and if those that partake with potty mouth isms, then you're welcome. If you don't want to, that's cool too. So, without further ado, let's welcome in Juice Cleland and let's find out a little bit more about this young man and what he actually does. So, Juice, take it away, brother. Kind of give us a little bit of backstory about who you are and what you do.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Well, okay, uh, backstory. Um, so I've been in I've I've been in the uh East Tennessee music scene for probably 30 years in one shape, form, or another. Uh the my earliest project was a band called Necessary Evil. That was back in the Southeast export days of 94.3 the X. And uh we did pretty good on there. They uh we had two songs in rotation on there for about the hosts were uh were named with the hosts, their stage names were Mel and Fat Ass. And uh yeah, that was their names. It was a girl and a guy, and they were great, they had a great show called Southeast Exports, and it went on Sundays for about six hours, and it wasn't just East Tennessee that like they played uh local music from Florida all the way up uh New England and stuff, and uh we were on there in rotation for about six or eight months, and we had our own studio guy at the time. Uh things just things were really rolling. I was uh it was me and uh my good friend to this day, Sean Finney, and uh rest in peace, Chip Rochelle, who passed away some like five or six years ago. But um just a that guy was crazy talented and he was just a little little instable, you know. But Sean's one of the best drummers I've ever known. And anyways, we had a lot of uh we had a pretty good run back then, but music was I mean, it really for me started, I guess I was 15, I was telling you earlier. And a lot of a lot of older people from East Tennessee will remember this. There was a place on the uh Cumberland Avenue strip down there on UT campus called China King. And this would have been like late 80s, very early 90s, but late 80s probably more so. Um but it was like um it was like a Chinese restaurant that I guess they had started struggling, so they started having bands, and it was all the the punk and metal bands, and we saw a band there called the Judy Bats, I remember that. And they had uh they had a no slam dancing on the ceiling in Magic Marker, and I was hooked. I mean, I met you know, I was 15, you know, they had uh, you know, you had this little uh hallway where the the bands would load in from, and I was a 15-year-old dork, but the local is that was like my introduction to the local music scene was that plus there was this huge uh group of friends that hung out at East Town Mall. And um my friend Dennis Wright was part of that, and we had we would go down there, you'd go down there every weekend, and you and anyways, there was like a movie theater section of it out back, there'd be 30 to 60 kids out there, you know. All of them looked like they just came out of a Motley Crew concert or something.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

No shit.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

Yeah, and that was uh, you know, growing up the way I did, that was a that was my first taste of what it was like to belong to a group or a community. And um just of course I loved music from being from a young age. I actually um it's I it's it's a funny story, and I guess uh that's where you tell funny stories is on podcasts, but hell yeah, fire away, mother. Fire away. I was I was 10 years old, and uh we had moved into the projects, and we had a uh for the first time I'd had I had cable, the first time in my life as a kid I had ever had cable TV, and it was those that little box with all the buttons. You push one and the other one pops up, that thing. And Michael Michael Jackson Thriller just came out, and I was nine or ten years old. I was watching, I was staying up at night watching creep show because we had cable, man. I was watching all the scary scary movies, and uh, you know, creep show, the boogins, stuff that just scared the hell out of you at nine years old. And I got into that really hard for a while, and then thriller came out, and I was like, whoa, you know, he turned into the werewolf, and he's like, get away, and his eyes were yellow, and I was like, that's badass. It's like fourth grade. So one I was in school one day, and some kid had brought the thriller album for show and tell. No, and I'm and I'm sitting here looking at it, and it's got Michael on the front with the suit and the uh what was what was it, a tiger that's on there with them on the front?

SPEAKER_02 8:14

Yeah, I think it was a tiger, yeah, a tiger cub or some shit like that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 8:17

And I was sitting there looking at that going, huh. Then he opened it, and of course, it had more more stuff in there that was, you know, kind of along those lines. And the first thing that went through my head was, Where's the zombies? Where's the werewolf, dude? What the hell? You know, and and that was a moment, and the reason that was a moment was uh a couple years it was only like a couple years later, 1986, that Master of Puppets came out. Uh the friend group at at school started finding out who the misfits were, and I started listening to that shit. And Earth AD was the first album by them I heard, and and I was listening to the lyrics and I'm going, here it is, here it is. This is horror, like you know, this is horror movie rock. And I was that was it. And then I was and then again to that friend group. Well, it just stuck with me. That was kind of the first that was really what saved me from a lot of bad things, and um, you know, I just found a lot of uh uh belonging, a lot of like nowhere else that I was in school or anywhere else were there people who could I who understood, you know, seemed like what I was going through or the feelings I was having at that time kind of made me an alien. And this was some place that was like, okay, this is where I'm supposed to be, right? And uh from there, I I always uh I picked up a guitar and I just never uh I just I took to it really naturally long before I knew what chords, you know, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, long before I knew the musical language or pentatonics or any of that stuff, right? I was able to pick out, you know, songs and and I started immediately started making arrangements like uh musical. I started putting chords together and changes verse. I understood completely, immediately, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge. And uh, you know, uh it became uh to this day, it's not something that uh I have to like try to do. I just sit down and start banging on a guitar and I start coming up with all kinds of changes, and it's just something that clicked right away. And anyway, uh all these years later, I'm an old man and I'm still doing it.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Fuck yeah. Now it is guitar your specialty, or do you dabble in other instruments as well? Guitar and bass. Any guitar and bass, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Yeah, anything that's like I guess. Yeah, I mean, I I took to bass later, later on, but I but I took to it really naturally, and I and I joke sometimes and say I probably should have played bass first, but um, but no, uh I I definitely a guitarist because I've gotten I've got decades in that and I've only probably got five or six years in bass.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

But I but when I picked it up, it was very natural.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Do you think that starting in bass is probably probably good for somebody who has no experience at all, or do you think it'd be best to start a guitar and then branch out after you're done doing that? Like, what would you say? What would be your opinion?

SPEAKER_00 11:24

It absolutely depends on the individual because and it also depends on what your mind frame is. Uh, because first going into anything new, you're you've got a you've got a uh preconception, and that preconception, before you even put your toe in the water, your preconception has you thinking uh of how you're going to do how you're gonna go step one, step two, step three. And as you get in the water and start to move around and you start to get your footing and and figure out what's what, then your original plan, of course, goes out the window and it changes. So as you as you progress and as you learn anything, no matter what it is, uh you know, that's one of the things too. If you get in something and you're not really taken to it, don't force it. Find something that comes naturally to you. That's the advice I would give anybody. Find something that comes naturally to you and it's easy and you enjoy it. And if you can do that, then work really hard and try to excel at that. Uh otherwise, it's just an uphill battle. You're gonna be competing with other people uh who it came easy to them from the beginning, and they're always gonna be ahead of you. Um but and I and I hate that everything's gotta be a competition, but but at you know, at the end of the day, once you get out here and start moving around in the world, you're gonna make friends, you're gonna make enemies, and there are well, we're going down a whole nother thing here, but gatekeepers, there are people who are they're guarding the gate, man. And if they see you coming and they're like, Well, if that guy gets in here, here goes my gig, well, then you could not you could never make it in because of somebody like that. You gotta be careful. But yeah, but as far as learning, when you get in to learn, yeah, you come in with a certain uh certain idea of what you're about to experience and then what you're gonna do, but then as of course it comes to you and it you the experience is not what you thought it was, then now you're reacting.

SPEAKER_03 13:23

And right.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

I guess that's everything in life, really. So, but yeah, I just I would say if you're if you look you gotta love music, if you you gotta love it enough to sit down and and tear your fingers up, put hours into it every day. Um, and one of and the thing about a band uh is even worse because you have to write songs that you love because you wouldn't play them if you didn't love them, and then you gotta make you gotta play them so much that you become they become you hate them because you hear them all the time. Yeah, dude. You gotta practice them until you can do it in your sleep, right? Because if you don't, then when you get on stage and bullshit starts happening, you're gonna have to stop playing, and you don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_02 14:07

You want to be able to keep playing and do and react and but so juice with with you, which which came first? Like what band started first for you and till and to the evolution of where we currently stand today?

SPEAKER_00 14:22

What was my first band?

SPEAKER_02 14:25

Yeah, like like when how did you start and then who did you jump to to where you finally got to where you're with the holler hates? You're doing stuff with with it was the it was the missus, right? Am I did I remember our conversation correct, or did I fuck that up? Was it the missus that you're doing a solo with, or just the the the a woman?

SPEAKER_00 14:41

No, the missus, the missus is the bass player. Uh Elizabeth is the bass player for no return address. So it's me, her, no return, and that guy earlier, that John Weber dude, he's our drummer.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

Oh, so John. So well, welcome, John. I didn't know you were the first fucking party on Wayne.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

He, him, me, and Beth, we're no return address. Uh, if you're talking about like the bands in order, I there's a lot that I would say the bullet points, the big bands, the bands I've been in that did the best were the first one. That was called Necessary Evil, and we played more private house parties than any kind of official shows, but God, we played a lot. And uh me and it was made, it was basically me and Sean Finney, and we went through bass players, and sometimes we just played without them, but we played house party after house party after house. I mean, we played so many private parties, and uh then we got on that that radio thing, and and the the biggest lesson I learned with with that band was when it was over, excuse me, I kept trying to revive it. And it that band was dead, and ever since then, when a band is over, I I start looking for the next thing because you can burn up years trying to to revive something that needs you need to let it go because you're you're you're burning your life up, man. And if it's dead, it's dead. So that was my first lesson with that band because when it was over, it was over, and I just kept trying to.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

But anyway, the next one after that that's interesting, but it makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

And that was the thing about bass too, when I uh because after after Necessary Evil, uh, the next big band that was or band that stayed together and did anything was called Unit 48. And uh that was so much fun. Uh I was coming off of the end of uh alcoholism there. I was like in the process of of quitting uh drinking, and it was rough. And uh, but there were some there were some great shows and uh we had a few bumps. Uh but that but uh uh Unit 48 was kind of the it was kind of the beginning of a change. Like I at that point I was starting to look at the dynamics of song structure a little bit differently. And so uh that band was maybe together for uh six or eight months tops, and I wrote probably five times more material than that band actually used, and I recorded a lot of it. And then the immediate project after that was when I started picking up bass, uh band hopped a while. I I was in uh I was in the Lookout Mountain Daredevil very briefly with Jamie Vida and Eric Elaine, and then uh there was a couple more projects in there during that time that was a country project, and I can't even remember a lot of it. A lot of them may not have even had names because they were they were trying to put it together, and I was just you know auditioning and so I had a little a bunch of jumps like that. But the next project after Unit 48 was called Final Fight, and that was probably the most successful project before no return that I addressed that I've had. And uh we actually at one point with that band, we had a really good scene going. That was when the open chord was kind of in it, kind of new. And um, we've we packed that place out many nights. Uh, it was with uh me and David Wayne Addington. Sean Finney was in that one with me too for a while, and um that was the first time I was in a band that that actually had real t-shirts, and we packed that place out, and half the place was wearing our t-shirts. I was standing there like that. Was mind-blowing to me at that time.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

Oh, I bet it was. That would be a cool experience to explain. Yeah, that was why some of those years blown away.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

Some of those videos are on YouTube, also, they're still there. No shit. And then after that was like 2014. Uh so the next project after that, I was in a really good band called Sex Ed with uh Ada Falls and Jordan Hutcheson for I don't know, three or four months. Ada was the primary songwriter, awesome voice, awesome, just super talented at writing songs. Like she had probably eight or nine or ten songs that were just every single one was good. You know, do you remember when Nirvana Nevermind came out when it was a new album?

SPEAKER_03 18:53

Okay, my experience with that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

I was 18 and I lived in Chalmett, Louisiana at the time, and I went and bought that on cassette. I went home and I laid down in my bedroom and played that whole album. I just shut the door and I laid down. I played that album from beginning to end, and I I was laying there going, There's not one bad song on here. Every song is good. That was my experience when I met Ada. I was like, every single one of these damn songs are good, you know. So there's a couple of those videos still online from that band. We played the open court a little bit, and I had to quit that band because I that was when I started driving a truck, and uh I wasn't gonna be in town enough, and I hated leaving that band. Uh, some some really oh, and Chloe Daniels was in that band too. I forgot to mention Chloe, but those were some super sweet people, really good people in that project, and I hated leaving that band. But um after that, uh I drove a truck for three and a half years. I drove flatbed, and during that time, the schedule was awful. I was gone two days home a day, gone three days home a day, gone two days, and you didn't know until you till the day before that you got dispatched, like the day the night before or the day of where you were going and how long you'd be gone. So it was that, yeah. I had to just so what I did it during that time was I took an acoustic with me, and this is how this is the no return address story right here. I took uh my acoustic with me over the road for three and a half years, and I just banged out songs in the back of that truck everywhere I, you know, when I'd park up for the night. And the songs that I wrote, what I was thinking was I'll write a bunch of verse chorus, verse chorus songs, and what I'm doing is I'm I'm writing them so that I can play by myself. There's not going to be multiple instruments, no layers, and I'll write this so that I can play by myself and I can play, I could do an open mic once in a while. That was my my thought process. But uh what happened was I never played any open mics because I couldn't even I couldn't even catch one of those on them. And then when I was off and and you just didn't have any recovery time, you were never off more than one day in a row ever. No, that sucks. Yeah, it was rough, but that was my that was my truck driver boot camp. You know, we all gotta go through that. Uh you know, they they want you to have one year to two years of over the road. I went ahead and got three and a half just to make just to make sure. But uh so, anyways, by the time that was over, I had probably 15 or 16 good songs that were written and ready to go, and I had practiced the crap out of them. And uh, so then I got on where I'm at now, and now I'm off on weekends.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

And um, no shit. Well, that's nice.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

And I've been here for five, yeah. I've been here for five years, and um, if I get a show, if I decide to take a show that's during the week and I know two or three months out, I use PTO time and do it. But most of the time I just if it's not a Saturday, I don't I usually don't play. But I like to set up and book, and I love to help other bands get out here and play that are looking for a you know some place to play. That's like my favorite. But anyway, so at the end of that, my wife goes, I'm gonna pick up a bass. I said, Oh, really? I was like, You're gonna learn to play bass? She said, Yeah. I said, All right, well, you want me to buy you a bass? And we had this whole thing, and I was entertaining it. I don't know what the what how much you know credit I knew to give it at the time, but by God, she picked she's learned picked up a bass, and in two months, she knew every single song I'd written over the road. No shit, yes, and I was like, You could have done we've been together 16 years. I said, You could have done this the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 22:27

Oh god, life is that's crazy. Two months, and that's impressive. Yeah, that's really fuck. So, so obviously, she had the gift, God gave her, touched her with the gift of music. Because man, how else do you do that in two months? That's that's pretty that's pretty amazing. Now, you sing the song, the duet with her. Is that sung with your wife, or is that what sung with somebody?

SPEAKER_00 22:50

No, it's I'm it's not the only the only reason it's even a duet is it's just me playing acoustic, uh, and me and B's, uh, me and Mark Bees are playing the Mark Beast or the Beast Town Collective, and the they they the thing is is the venues are looking for a duet, they pay a solo price, a duet price, and a band price. That's that's all that's all stuff Pam could explain to you. But the only reason it was even yeah, we but we take a guy, uh you know, cajon. You know what a cajon is, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:21

A cone?

SPEAKER_00 23:23

Cajone, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

Oh, a cajon.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

It's this.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

Yeah, you were playing that the other night. Yeah, so we'll take that. I watched when you all were doing your uh you uh well, I don't know if it was on YouTube, I forget what we were on, but yeah, you were you were sitting there playing that because I commented that on that to Mark. It was pretty badass.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Well, I believe these things are great, man. And if you you could just play acoustic and have someone play this who hey get you a drummer or somebody that can play rhythm to play this, and you can play those shows and call it a duet because it's technically two people, so that's that's basically what we've been doing, and it's been working out really well. Uh, sometimes Mark will play for me and I'll play for him, or we got uh our good friend Brian Backwoods, he calls him Sailors because that's but his last name, but his stage name is Brian Backwoods, and he's really good. That guy's got an amazing country voice. Uh, but he's also a drummer, super talented. Backwoods is just super talented. Everything you lay in front of him, he can do it. And um, and his singing voice is incredible.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Uh yours ain't too bad either, though. So you gotta give yourself a little bit of credit.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

I put it to you, I put it to you this way. You depends on who you ask.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

And if you ask me, Well, you're gonna be your own worst credit, though.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Yeah, I don't think I hear people that can really sing all the time, and I feel like yeah, I don't feel like I'm that good, but I'm I can holler in key.

SPEAKER_02 24:45

Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

Pretty much, you know.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

That's better than me. I couldn't carry a tune in a fucking bucket, and that's if somebody else was carrying it. So, you know what's funny about the bucket?

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Reverb is the bucket, just turn some reverb on, and now you can carry a tune in a bucket because reverb is a bucket.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Well, there you go. See, I'm learning shit every fucking day. My mind gets blown. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

It should say on the effects on the effects, it should say bucket for the knob for bucket.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

That is fantastic. Now, how'd you come about meeting Mark and becoming doing the whole holler haints and all that good shit? How'd that come about?

SPEAKER_00 25:21

So he mentioned uh a guy named Brian O'Banion and uh earlier. So I was in a cover band when I was learning when I was playing, I picked up bass and I was in a cover band with him called Radio Tower Road for uh probably four or five months, not long. And I got their set list down, and um and for whatever reason, uh they went through a few singers, but man, let me tell you, they had some phenomenal female singers. Uh shout out to Sarah Kirby and Tanya Wagner, two amazing female vocalists. I wish they had more time to get to be out here on the on the local music scene with us because they're phenomenal, and they were in that both of them were singing for that band for a minute. But anyway, uh so we did that for a minute. Well, that's how I met Obanion. Well, O'Banion and and Mark were friends for years. They had been playing music together for decades, and so I just met Mark through him.

SPEAKER_03 26:14

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

And uh I came and jammed with them. I learned all of Six or Six's songs that they had at or that they were using at the time. Uh that this was like a this was a this was coming up next month or in June, that'll be two years ago, is when this happened. I learned everything, their whole set list in four weeks. And then we played a show at Harley David, bootlegger Harley Davidson out here on Level Road. And then that was it. I didn't play, I didn't jam with a with them again for a year. And then the following year, I had I had a whole string of shows that I had that I was booking that year. I got in with some venues, and I had this one place called Fat Bob's was a fantastic venue. Ryan Cyrus was the owner, awesome, awesome person, great people, man. Great venue. And uh he's probably gonna start something else up again soon, and I hope he does. But that's where they had built their own stage, and it was a super cool stage. There's a YouTube video of that, of a of you of no return playing there, also, but super cool stage. And um we did an we did uh sort of an acoustic um everybody plays for one hour jam out there where we had uh one of my favorite local groups too that plays an acoustic duet is uh train foot and the mighty caboose. If you get a chance, look them up on Facebook. It's that's a husband and wife couple and they're badass.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

Write that down while you're talking. I'll write that down because I'd like to, I'm definitely down for seeing that and saying that one more time for the people.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

Apparently, a train ran over his foot when he was young. And they call him yeah, yeah, it goes by train foot. So it um they were playing there that day, Mark was playing, Brian Backwoods was playing, and I think Chris Hall from Overdrive actually played with us that day too. But that's when uh Mark might have mentioned to you that I was that I have kind of rode his ass to get up there and and expose. Like just don't worry about how raw it sounds, just get up there and find what what's gonna happen is you think you're gonna be super exposed or overexposed, but you're gonna find the texture of your own voice that has been being drowned out by the big amps and such for all this time, and you're gonna go, hey, there it is. That's not bad. That's pretty good, and that's what happened. Uh, and he's dude, he was killing it. He was kicking ass by himself. Of course, that uh that acoustic with the stickers all over it, that thing's a freaking monster. He runs that thing through a pedal board like a great big like you know who uh no shoe. Uh what's her name? Nita Nita Strauss.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Nita Strauss, she is yeah, you know that board she plays through? Yeah, she works. It's like that for uh Alice Cooper.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Yeah, she's yeah, and she she's awesome. Her her rig is crazy. She don't use no all these guitarists swear by um tube amps and all this, and I'm one of them. I I have two both I have a fender twin reverb and I have a blues junior that I use for practice, so I love my tube amps, but her rig is just that board straight into a PA, and she's like, that's all you need. And I mean, you can't argue with her sound.

SPEAKER_02 29:24

I mean, no, well, Mark's phenomenal. I now you got that going on too. You probably met her and saw her when she started because didn't she get her start? I I I could be wrong, but I I know she was with the Iron Maidens for Really. I didn't know that. I didn't know that she was with the Iron Maidens at one point.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

They are badass. I wanted they can't hear like two years ago, and I wanted to see them so fucking bad, man.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

I saw the handicap's son, the one that I was talking to you about that did the podcast, that was his very first concert I took him to was at a place in Louisville called Mercury Ballroom. And that place is so fucking stellar because they actually take care of the handicapped community. So when I called him up, because I didn't know what to expect, but my son wanted to go, and of course, you know, what kind of dad would I be to not take him to see a bunch of super hot chicks that can jam like a mofo? Why would I not take him to see that? So, but then with him being handicapped, I thought, man, I've been I'd been to Mercury a bazillion times, and for the most part, except for upstairs, for the most part, it it's like standing room only. And I was like, Man, that's kind of risky for somebody like my son, because if he gets knocked over, I'd have to it'd be like hell, make sure I'd have to make sure I get his ass up quick. And well, I called him and they were like, Oh, he's handicapped. Oh no, dude, you just come to us when you get here. We got we got your boy taken care of. He had his own security guard, they set him like the stage, the stage was here, and then they set him on the side of the stage, like right on the corner. And it's where people from backstage that were coming out to watch the other shows, they would stand. And the security guard says, as long as you don't block this kid's view, you stay out of his way when you watch the show, and they and and I could step under the thing and help him if I needed to, but other than that, I stayed in the front row on the corner with my brother, and we had a hell of a show, man. It was such bad ass. And Brandon just loved it. And of course, then afterwards, we stayed around, and all the all the ladies signed the you know, the the uh the head, the head card and uh or the uh whatever you call it. The head card. What the hell do you uh you know the damn your hero card, hero card. They signed the hero card, all of them signed it, and that was back when they had Courtney Cox. She was fucking killer too, man. But now she went to I forget some witch, something witches or something, but it's like uh more of a metal band. Uh so I don't know who they got to replace her, but but yeah, that band, that's some stellar chicks. And I thought it was cool when I was just researching them that Anita Strauss was shown on uh I guess on the internet as being one of the one of the people that used to be in the band. And I was like, well, she's obviously not now, because when Alice Cooper calls, you definitely are gonna go. I mean, who would say no to that? Because he is just like the shit. But uh but anyway, I digress. I just had to throw when you said that. I was just like, Oh, Anita Strauss and and the the Iron Maidens, man. Yeah, she's a fun group.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Yeah, she's a fucking legend to be sure. Uh and speaking of the Iron Maidens, I'll tell you another local one that we got around here that's a cover band, but they're badass. And when that when you say Iron the Iron Maidens, it makes me think of them as 40 rounds. Check out 40 rounds.

SPEAKER_01 32:41

That's uh 40 rounds, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

They're they're amazing. Uh it's Mo and Donna's band. And uh the singer and the guitarist, I don't know their names, but check them out and give them a listen because they're badass. Their videos are awesome. They just played another show at Whiskey Alley, super good people. And uh Donna's been Donna's one of these people, she's beat the shit out of cancer about five damn times in a row or more, even. Forgive me, Donna, if I get that number wrong, but she's a fucking champion when it comes. She doesn't beat the she it it she has whooped cancer's ass more times than anybody I've ever known. Dude, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

That's amazing. She she's obviously a huge badass, then, because that's uh that's a rough one to beat. And if you're a multiple beat, you know, offender to where you beat them off that many times, that sounded so bad on radio. You know what I mean. God dang it. Now damn it, where's the soap? Gotta watch my mouth out. You know what I'm talking about. No offense, Donna. I knew what you meant. Yeah, I wasn't trying to be fucking, yeah. But for you to kick cancer's ass that many times, then that says something about you. That's for damn sure.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

And to keep coming back from that with a good attitude because cancer saps you, man. You know, I mean, if you've known anybody, I'm sure you have. Everybody knows somebody that's that's it. Just by the time it's done with you, man, you don't. I mean, for her to have that much fight to keep coming back and keep and to come back feisty, you know, it's fucking badass, man. Hats off to her.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

Well, my hat's off to her, too. And I hope that she's fought the last battle she's got to deal with. So hopefully, yeah, me too. Hopefully, cancer got the message and said, Hey, let's not fuck with this chick on, because uh, you know, this is a waste of time. I hope that's the way that it goes on out for Miss Donna's uh walk on home. Yeah, that's right, brother. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 34:31

But um, so yeah, and then here we are. So and no return address is done pretty good. It's just my I don't, you know, I just care more about, I just want to say that the droves at the Grove, that that's where we really are now. And because that came about because the Grove, the historic Grove Theater, is one of the most amazing as far as the people that I've dealt with. Uh my contact out there, her name is Alyssa, and she's one of the sweetest humans. And they have pretty much as long as the knot was free for two two and a half years, they've let me do between three and five shows a year. And every time all I do is I just I I get the I mean, I'm gonna I'm a monthly donor, and I'm sure that helps, but they really care about community, and it's just been it's just been an amazing relationship with them. So what droves at the grove is is basically all day show from 12 from noon to midnight or from 2 p.m. to midnight, somewhere like that. And we just try to have as we I cram as many bands in there as I can get in there. I think the most I've ever had in there was 15 bands in one day. And uh and we give them all one hour. Uh and sometimes they don't have an hour, sometimes they only have 30 minutes. But you know, I just uh I set up my PA system and we try to get a vendor because this place holds 500 people. Mark earlier said 200, it's five, it holds five.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

Well, and originally we thought it was two too, and then I knew that uh it it it had Pam counted because I told her, I said, damn, you know, well, you're gonna do a 200-seat venue. I said, I know this is your first show, but I was like, Hell, I think I think you need more, you're gonna need more seats. And when they did the tally and they said five, I said, Well, that's a lot, that's a whole lot of things. Oh, yeah, because that helped huge lobby.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

Yeah, it's got a huge lobby with with uh tons, like you know, and they they provide some of some tables that you can use for for vendors, and also their standing room, even after you got 500 literal seats, and at the bottom, right in front of the stage, you could probably get 30 people down there just standing. So, I mean, and it the best and one of the most everybody says that it's like being it's so funny because this carries over from what I was saying earlier about my first band. We played all those house shows and house parties, and everybody says it's not like you're in a public place, it's like you're at someone's house, but it's a damn theater. It's all the feeling is just you know, you're hanging out, man. We're just friends again, and it's a little taste of that, you know, it's just whatever makes it makes a local music scene great, man. And then and I got nothing to get, I love like you were talking about Iron Man. I mean, Iron Man's like one of my top three all-time favorites, but I but I don't really care about seeing a um, and this is just me personally, but an a uh arena show. It's just a huge crowd, and everyone's and you know, people now too are rude, like they weren't, they didn't they used to have, and I hate to say this, it's sad, but it's true. It's like people don't people just don't care about other people anymore. We don't see each other as fellow Americans anymore, and it's sad. No, I I feel you. Playing please thank you and excuse me, I'm from the South. These things are necessary, and you know, and yeah, it's sad out here, man. But uh, but yeah, in if in your hometown where everybody knows each other and you just keep growing that crowd and and we're we're friends, it's it's been this been my church my whole life. And um I'm always I'm always gonna have a foot in it, man, because it uh like I say, it saved me in more ways than one. And it's something that I think it's worth it's it's worth saving, it's worth growing. Uh it brings people together and it destroys uh barriers between people who think they're so different that they can't talk to each other. And uh, you know, there's a lot of this division nowadays, but it we try to, you know, we're trying to grow an environment, the environment, where that can't survive, that division and that hate that presupposed hatred of other, you know, whoever, whatever, that can't survive because here we all are, we're friends, and it it doesn't matter uh who's this or who's that because we're friends and that person's my friend, and it doesn't you know what I mean? You just there's always gonna be assholes, I guess, but but we're trying to cultivate the lack and the the uh we're trying to cultivate a garden where the the those weeds can't grow, yeah, they can't survive, you know.

SPEAKER_02 39:09

Well, and I agree with you when you talked about the arenas. I mean, you know, my philosophy on the arenas is is I and obviously I'm old enough that I've seen all of it, but like I just saw Dropkick Murphy's one of my favorite bands of all time. I just saw them Sunday again, and we saw them at Parish Town Hall in Louisville. Well, Parish Town Hall is a standing room only, it does have a balcony up top. It's probably I don't know what the cap is, but I'd say the cap is probably around two grand. Probably. And and those kind of those kind of arenas, I mean, it was still a GM show unless you did early entry. And that so that general admission is nice because it allows you, you have the potential, you can get close if you want. If you don't want to be in a mosh pit and you don't want to fuck with all that shit, then you got upstairs, you got side angles, but it's nice because it's not as big. But I feel like when I go to an arena, I mean I feel especially like the chum bucket down here in Louisville and stuff like that, it's a super nice fucking place. But the problem is, it's like, you know, a a ticket like a$90 ticket is gonna send you all the way up to the heavens. I mean, you gotta walk all the way to the top. And when you're sitting there, you're looking at the stage and you're like, they look like fucking ants. It's like I I don't know who I'm looking at. Yeah, you almost need binoculars. You really do. I mean, and to me, it's like if I gotta go to a show and I gotta spend even if it's 150 bucks and I still can't really see the guys, I have to use the Teletron to sit there and watch the show. Uh to me, uh, it takes away from the show. I feel like I feel like, well, fuck, I could watch the show, I could lay on my couch and I could turn on a YouTube and pull up stuff and watch it. I mean, to me, it's no different. So I do kind of I agree with you. I think that's what I love about bands that aren't as popular as your ones that have hit the mainstream and they're super, super exposed and super popular. I love the ones that are not. Why? Because you have a far it's just a cooler experience, man. It's cool, it's so much better.

SPEAKER_00 41:10

And there are there is a local scene in every town. Sometimes in some towns, you gotta really dig for it. In Knoxville, there's multiples. Yeah, I bet. And they some of them they war with each other sometimes, but it there ain't no sense in that. I mean, but uh, but uh, but every town has a has a local scene, and in that local scene, there's anywhere between two to ten bands or artists that deserve to be at the top, and they'll never they'll never be there. Just people don't realize what's in their own backyard. It's like you there is a local scene in your town that really, if you were to find it, it might, it might actually change your life. It would bring joy, it would add something to your life that that you might not have had before. And you know, maybe you've already got that, you know, maybe you're on a bowling league, you know, maybe you've you got that in in uh you fish with some people and you got that there. But there's if you don't have that in any other avenue or walk of your life and you can find it and you love music, I'm telling you, take the risk and go out and hop these bars until you find where where the locals are playing at because it's so worth it. Um it's a community and it there's a there's so much passion and there's so much honesty. And um, but anyway, yeah, droves at the grove was what I wanted to build that around that. And it's been when I say successful, it's what I mean is it's still going. Uh, we never have problems finding bands for it. Bands always pile on, it's still free, it's still free, and it and I that's my goal is to keep it free, it's gotta stay free. Now, got that huge lobby. Vendors can come and sell stuff you bands can sell their merch. I'm I'm a capitalist, there's nothing wrong with making money, but I just think that uh I don't want it to cost anything to come in.

SPEAKER_02 43:04

No, I feel you, it's got a lot of people can't, you know, like those arenas, like I say, the cheapest ticket is generally like 90 bucks, and that's so far up the nosebleed that you can't really see what you're looking at. I mean, if you actually want to see a show where you could actually like see your face and they could see up close exactly what you look like. Oh, he's wearing a skully cap. You know, they could actually tell it's a skully cap, not you're so far fucking away that they're like, Well, he's got a hat on, I think. But she called me out. And I love your skully cap, by the way. And it and and my only question is, is that is is that coloration part of your tartan, or yes or no, or do you it's not, but it's as close as I could get. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 43:47

It's as close as I could get. The Cleveland tartan looks exactly like that, except it's got some really super thin yellow in it or something. It's hard to s it's real, you know, but it's it's pretty it's close. It's really close. At at distance you can't tell any difference.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Oh, hell no.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

That's literally why I bought it though. That's that's awesome that you pointed that out. Or grabbed that. That's pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 44:05

So I totally feel you on that because you know, a lot of people can't. I mean, 90 bucks to a lot of people is a lot of fucking money. So it's like if you wanted to pay to actually try to go to a show where you could actually see, especially an arena. I mean, I I I've I mean, granted, we're you're talking like Taylor Swift or somebody, but I mean, I I've heard it's like thousands a seat just to get to where you're up front on like front row. And I'm like, I'm like, most people can't afford that. You know, only the rich can. Most people can't afford either that or they're gonna they better start saving their fucking pennies now because you know they're gonna need some time to be able to build that. I I mean I couldn't do that, but that's why I love going to these smaller shows, you know, shows with bands that are still popular, but also but haven't been so crazy to where you you have no choice but to see them in an arena because then you can you just I mean, I used to do the warp tours all the time. I mean, god dang, that was so much fun because you showed up, you walked in the gate, there was a huge fucking banner, and it just it looked like yeah, it looked like the March madness is fixing to happen with the with the bracket system, and you had all these bands. And you know, I'd go with my brother, and my my little brother would pull out a piece of paper and a sharpie, and he'd say, All right, we want to watch so-and-so. They're on stage one at this time, then we're gonna go over to stage five, and we're watching so-and-so at this time, and then we're going to stage three, and we're watching so-and-so at that time. And we would map out our whole day. And matter of fact, that's how I found Dropkick Murphy's. We finished, we were watching AFI on a stage and in at uh Brookbend or not Brookbend. I forget what the hell the name of that place is now. It's in in it's near uh uh Ohio, near uh Cincinnati and like uh Newport and all that stuff. But uh, but anyway, it's uh it was an outdoor thing. Well, we we watched AFI on one stage. Well, my brother wanted to go see like the Ataris, but the Ataris wasn't gonna play for like another 30 minutes or so. So we we like walk up from where we were, we walked up and there was this bridge. So we were just gonna sit on the bridge and kill time until we had to walk to the stage where the Ataris were. Well, after on the same stage we just saw AFI, we're now we're up on a bridge looking down on it, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, you see all these banners coming in, and the fucking bagpipes start playing. And of course, I look and I'm like, What the fuck is this? And the bagpipes come marching in with their big flags and they're jamming. And I go, I look at my brother and I go, Who the fuck is this? And he goes, It's drop kick Murphy's. He goes, I'm not, I know a little bit about them, but I don't know that much. And we started watching. Well, needless to say, we never made the Ataris. We watched that show was so killer. We watched the whole damn thing. And then as soon as I was done, I was like, dude, we got time to kill. Where's their merch booth? I'm going and buying all their CDs that they carried because I was like, This is my new fave. And that's why I tell people all the time that watch my podcast. I'm like, check out these people like like you and and like Mark and and some of the other bands that I that I that I know personally that that are that are up and comers that are getting started, like the Courtney Joe Hare band, and and and Kate Sparks and and Devin Moore. These are all like little people that are trying to get their start. Are they in your area? And they're in my area. Well, kind of my area. Like Devin Moore is out in Ash. He's he's in Louise, Louisa, Kentucky. You have Courtney Joe Hare band that are uh that are in Kentucky up near, I think they're somewhere up near like um Ironton, Ohio area, I think. And then of course Kate Fitch, now Kate Spark, she was on the voice, but she she actually lives in Moorhead, Kentucky.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

So I mean they're they're just phenomenal people, and they're very I love to get we've just started getting people to come to droves that are from out of state. We got uh Jay Luke from um uh Virginia or Whitfall area, I think it's uh Blue Ridge up there. He's uh uh hip hop, like a country rapper. He's really good. And you talk about working a crowd, that guy can work a crowd. So we started getting him to come down, and we were uh the one we the one that we had a droves in January that got canceled for snow, but we were gonna have the fishwives out from Nashville, and they were they were killer. And uh, yeah, I want to start having. I mean, the thing is, is I gotta take care of the people around here, the bands around here first.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 48:34

But you can't you can't you have to change it up too. Right, but you gotta change it up too. You gotta, you know, if people are willing to travel, like uh this this next this next droves is gonna be the first exclusively heavy metal droves, and it's being booked by, and it's a good good time to mention this, my good friends Mike and Alicia Hurst. Uh Mike uh is a bass player for Welcome Eternity. Welcome Eternity.

SPEAKER_03 49:01

Oh, hey.

SPEAKER_00 49:02

Um and his wife Alicia is the singer for 13 Spiders. And I think Mike is their bass player now, also. And they are doing the booking for this droves. It's the first time I've outsourced the booking, but it's because they know more metal bands than just than I do. It's like mostly, I know a few, but I'm mostly I know bands from all different genres. And every time I do a droves, it's all mixed up genre. But this was uh, you know, we they came to the last one and we had talked about it, and I was like, yeah, so they did, and it's in Oak Ridge, so they call it Secret Secret City Metal Meltdown. Droves uh Droves at the Grow presents Secret City Metal Meltdown. And the bands they're gonna have on that are I've got this wrote down conduits, Echo, Answers in Blood, 13 Spiders, and Welcome Eternity, and Encircled Throne from Alabama and uh Democide are the bands that are gonna be on that. They're gonna have some cool vendors. They're gonna have Creepy CreepyCon and Frankencon as the vendors. And if y'all have ever been to that, that's pretty cool. It's uh y'all know what you know what a creepycon is, right?

SPEAKER_02 50:11

No, but uh well wouldn't it be like a horror comic-con? Yes, yes, yeah, kind of a kind of a similar, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

They're kind of big around here. Creepy con does like some really they do like some pro-level haunted house uh walkthrough things here in the area.

SPEAKER_02 50:27

Oh no shit.

SPEAKER_00 50:28

Uh fried, uh what's it called? Uh oh, it's called something fright. Down the road. It's it's like 20 miles down the road here. Oh why cannot be if I mean it it's when it matters that I can't think of it. But it's frightful something. There's a guy that chases you out of there with a chainsaw and everything, it's badass. But uh they're gonna be there. And so yeah, they're they're dude, they're doing such a phenomenal job, Mike and Alicia, of booking that thing out. They've got um they've got they've got ads on the local radio station, and uh I think they're about to I think they're about to show us all how it's done. No shit. Because yeah, it's looking good, it's looking big. And they said they had like a total, the total vendors was like 12 vendors. And vendors has been like the hardest thing that I've had trouble, you know, getting out there. They got they got this really cool one that I uh that he was talking about. I think it's called Dirty Soda, where they take uh soda or coke and they mix it with fruit juice somehow, and it's supposed to be like amazing, and they have all these flavors like that, and they sell that. I can't wait to try that. But anyway, yeah, so check those bands out. Welcome eternity.

SPEAKER_02 51:40

That's interesting. I haven't heard of that. That's very interesting, man.

SPEAKER_00 51:42

That's pretty cool, huh? And 13 Spiders and Welcome Eternity, and check them out. And uh definitely might be somebody you might be interested in interviewing in the future is Mike Hurst.

SPEAKER_02 51:52

Because if he's down, he could just give me a hog, man, because I'm down. It's like I say, I'm I started this podcast thing, and I didn't think you know, I didn't think any that anybody would even give a shit. But I mean it's it's actually getting I'm actually doing a lot better with it than I thought it was going to be.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:09

And I gotta contribute that. I gotta tip my hat to Pam because she's the one that kind of pushed me and uh and said, Yeah, you need to do this. But I mean it's it's been amazing how many people are like, hey, but like I finished with with Mark and I had another band reach out and said, Hey, yeah, yeah, we would uh we want to be on your show. And I'm like, Fox, seriously.

SPEAKER_00 52:29

I think you're gonna get covered up quicker than you know, man.

SPEAKER_02 52:31

I think so. I mean, it's looking that way, and I hope so. You know, after spending money on you know, like I say, the additional money on platform for for StreamYard and stuff. I it was money I didn't really want to spend, but like my buddy told me the other night, he's like, Well, you gotta break some eggs to make an omelet, man. So, you know, you kind of gotta sometimes you do have to spend money to make money, and I get that. So uh so I went ahead and went out on a limb today, and and I think it's gonna be good because like I say, I I mean who who would have thought I'd do two back-to-back? I've never done that. I wouldn't even have thought that. But when Pam said she got a hold of you and we talked, and then you you were off today, and your schedule's so caddy wompous at times. I'm just like, you know what? Well, let's fuck, let's take advantage of it. Let's let's have him on there. That way we know we got him. Now that Doctor, we can't do this again because you're always welcome back, obviously. But uh, but at least this way we got you we got you covered while you were off, not really interfering, hopefully, too much with with mama time, you know. But thank but thank you, Elizabeth, for letting him have take some time out of your house day to uh to talk to somebody like me on a podcast, but I really appreciate it. So thank you very much for that, Miss Elizabeth. But yeah, this is uh this has been a great day. I mean, Mark and you all got I just love I love how you all blend so much music together. And especially you don't hear people like when I was talking to him and he's like, Well, you know, do you know Rockabilly? And do you know like horror pop and all that shit? And I'm just sitting there thinking to myself, damn dude, uh hell yeah, I know what that is, and I love that shit. And then of course, you know, mixing in the the the western music versus not even so much country, it's almost that more western, that older school shit, you know, and mixing all together and coming up with some fast jazz, you know, jazzed up versions of stuff is just I love it, man.

SPEAKER_00 54:25

I think it's a I'm telling you, Mark is a powerhouse of talent, and he just needs to uh that was one of the things is that uh I I think that I needed or that I I felt like he needed to do was to trust himself more, uh to to walk out on the um to walk out there just him. Just trust yourself and trust your own talent because it's good enough. You know, it's more than good enough. He he writes, he's he's writes phenomenal shit. And there's he's so good with a hook and a line and um the um the blues format. I know he's got a lot of he's got a lot of uh genre names that he throws at you. But if you play music and you know your pentatonics, when you sit down and play his music, it's blues.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

It's very bluesy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:17

It's well it's blue it's pentatonics and it's got the 12-bar turnaround almost in all of it. So it's I mean, it's blues. Those are the two signature things of of the it's the blue scale and it's turn, it's got the 12-bar turnaround turnarounds, but he's able to do so much with it, like he's able to do a lot of different dynamic shit with it, and it's all entertaining, and he tells a good story too. A couple of his songs, like the one about the dog, there's a song of his called It's Just Me, and it's about a it's just about losing your dog, man. And I have I had a dog for 16 years and I loved him so much, he was such a good boy. I don't ever want another dog, he was so good. Yeah, that dog and and that song is like there's a couple of points in there, man. It just hits you, man. It's like talking about him being a good boy and barking at this or whatever, and then and at the end he's like, one day I'll see him again, but for now, but for tonight, boys, it's just me. And he's talking about um the dog, uh, the dog's bowl sitting there, it's nothing but a there's a a breakdown in the middle where it's quiet. He goes, quiet, and he goes, it's just there's nothing but uh in the corner um an empty bowl with your name. And I'm like, damn, chills, you know what I mean? Like my my dog was so good, and I know that a lot of people have had a if you've had a you know, if you've just if you've had a good, a good dog, you know, you know. And uh there's a couple of them though, man. There's something there, there's a couple of them that are they're all really good, but there's a couple that hit really close to home like that. I mean, he's just great, he's a great songwriter, one hell of a performer, and uh he's a born, he's a born front man, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_02 56:55

Well, I think I think he's equally as lucky you know coming across you as well, you know, because apparently, I mean, by the way, he's by the way he's talked to me and stuff, because we even talked on the phone for a long time, um, even before we did the podcast, kind of like what I did with you. And it was it was nice just talking, but I mean the stuff that he said about you guys was just I mean, you all are just stellar as hell, and and I can see he's right. I mean, he he's got he's got he's very fortunate to have a lot of kick-ass people in in so am I, dude.

SPEAKER_00 57:29

We all are that we all are, and that's what you want to cultivate. You want to cultivate that, man. People like you, like you're over here doing this awesome thing, and you you might have doubted it, you might have thought X, Y, and Z, and you were didn't want to put you know part with that money and throw into it, it's a sacrifice. But once you start rolling and you find out you're good at this, and you know, if it's a huge thing. This is one of the reasons everyone loves Joe Rogan. It's a huge thing to be able to just sit there and have a conversation with somebody. You know, it's huge. And people, I think the the podcast format got so big in the first place because before that you had interviews, you know what I mean? Right, and it and it's so sterile, and you know, you can just sit here and bullshit and have thought thoughtful conversations about and insightful things, and people I think sadly, I think a lot of people are starving for that in their own lives, uh, because yeah, all day, and you know it's I'm fucking guilty of that shit.

SPEAKER_02 58:30

God dang, there's times where I've I think sometimes I lay in my sleeping bed and I'm all like fucking doing that stupid shit, you know. But but yeah, I and and I mean the whole podcast thing was definitely you know, some people talk to me and they're like, dude, you don't want to do podcasts. Fucking everybody does podcast nowadays, but then like I say, I had somebody like Pamela that was just like, I think I sound like a fucking idiot. I don't think I have a cool voice at all. I think but you said I got a radio voice.

SPEAKER_00 59:01

Yeah, you sound like a radio guy, you could be a DJ. I'm not I'm not even shitting, I'm not trying to blow your head up or feed you bullshit. I'm saying, like when I got Hedgey on the phone, I was sitting here going, No, he really fucking sounds like that. He could do fucking voice uh commercials and things like that. I mean, you could be a voice actor.

SPEAKER_02 59:20

Well, and I I really appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

That means and no one's ever said that to you before.

SPEAKER_02 59:24

No, no one has, and I've and then of course I told Pam, well, besides Pamela, I mean Pamela goes, she goes, Bones, if you don't do podcasting, you're an idiot. And I was like, nobody wants to, nobody gives a fuck what I say. I said, I sound like an idiot, and no one cares. And she goes, Honey, I promise you, you do it, and you're gonna, you're gonna this is good. You found your niche, you just don't know it. And I didn't really believe her at first, but you know what? Then you said that nice thing, and and of course, I'm not gonna let it go to my head because you know, because I've got a long way to go before I could be anything cool like a Joe Rogan, but you know what? You never know, though.

SPEAKER_00 59:59

You don't have to be a Joe Rogan. No, you said a lot, you said a minute ago, you said that somebody told you that everybody's doing podcasts, but not everybody's doing it worth a shit. You mean everybody's trying to do a podcast? If you come out here and do it, dude, if you if you present something that people that that not only entertains but makes them think and makes it and turns them onto something new, or if you're thought provocative at all, and you you are because you got you go down, uh you're not um you're not trying, you're not destroying the conversation for the sake of being entertaining. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:34

I'm trying to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:34

Like you're letting the conversation happen and it's natural and it's good. I mean, you know, and not every guest can be the greatest talker or whatever, but I think that would be fantastic. And not only that, but keep in mind the live show is it's really when you if that show sits there for another year, another year, and another year, and another year, people are gonna keep finding it. And then more people and more people are gonna keep recommending it and things like that, man. I mean, plus you could bring you could bring more more energy and more uh constructive what's the word, uh, utility to the things you care about at core.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:20

Like we talked about that earlier too.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:21

Yeah, we talked about, yeah, like the Special Olympics and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:24

Absolutely. Everybody more people need to care. More people need to get involved with kids than all this other crap today. I'm telling you, kids kids are getting you see that beam where the woman's holding the baby up and this baby's over here treading and there's a skeleton at the bottom of the pool. Yeah, the kids are the skeleton at the bottom of the pool while society's like, oh this and oh that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:45

Yeah, you know, and you're right, we do need to do more with the with our with the youth because the youth are the next generation, and and uh and especially me, like me wanting to do the podcast with the handicapped, it's that's gonna be very, very challenging. But you know what? I don't think I mean if there's another person doing a podcast where they allow the handicapped, like down syndrome kids and kids with autism to sit there and just talk about themselves. If anyone else is doing that, then I'm gonna copy off of you. I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. I'm gonna start doing it too. But if not, then uh the way I look at it is it maybe I can do something that's somewhat groundbreaking and give a platform for these handicapped kids to be able to speak. And if people want to tune in and listen to a kid talk about him having autism or him having Down syndrome and talk about how he had his day at work or what he does for a living, if you want to tune in and listen and let a kid speak and feel good about themselves, then then come on in and listen, you know. But if you but if you're one of those fuckers that want to come in and make fun of somebody because they're down syndrome, then go fuck off somewhere else. Don't don't tread on this kid, give him his moment to shine. I say go give a baby. Get the option, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:58

Fill your pockets up with rocks and take a swim if you want to do that. I mean, seriously, that's a long walk of a short pier. Any anybody who th who thinks it's funny to hurt a kid needs to just go. Uh I mean I think so. We don't need you now.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:11

Yeah, you're just worthless. Now, you know, yeah. I'm waiting for the day where I'm doing podcasts and people are like, hey bones, you fucking suck ass and shit. Cause you know, I'll be like, All right, yeah, maybe just somebody's always gonna say that I'm sucking, but you know, I might suck somebody's ass, but it ain't yours.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:28

There's always gonna be that. There's somebody always gonna say that though. And all they if you ain't got haters, cat wiem said, you ain't got haters, you ain't doing you're doing something wrong. If you got if you got six haters, you need to figure it out to get the fuck up to ten by the spring, because we keep it pushing around here. That's fucking great right there.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:46

Well, yeah, that's actually that's that's actually very uh a very interesting comment because I mean that is true. I guess you know, if if you if you are doing something right, you are gonna be getting haters, and you're gonna have people trying to fucking copy your fucking your your social medias and and all this, that and the other. And you know, you're trying to do it to me recently. Dave you really.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

Yep, somebody, yep, somebody cloned the no return page and started messaging all of our followers, and all they were saying was hello to try to get them to say something back. I don't know what happens if you respond. Like, I don't know if they if they can if they can hook you or you know hijack your account by that or something, but I I just I don't know that that's pathetic. It's like no it is pathetic.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:29

The dude trying to manage they they had a problem. We had a big problem when we started really growing the number. We had a big problem with fake accounts over and over again, and then they were harassing. Like, I got this lady in here right now, Kathleen. She's she's awesome. She's another one that I talked to. I mean, this lady I met doing the band stuff, and I I speak to her at least well, speak as in type, at least once a day, every day. And and I love it. I like I I I couldn't imagine not saying something to this lady at least once a day because she is so supportive, so awesome. And um, and I just love that, you know, and and uh, but you know, but she was one of them, I think. It was one of them that was her that was that was dealt with uh uh fake accounts, and then they were trained to be the lead singer, and they were trying to get them to send them money and gift cards and all this other bullshit. And I'm just like, and I and you know, trying to police that was almost a full-time job just by itself, yeah. Because they would make these fake accounts just it's like it was like 10 a day, and I'm like they're cockroaches, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:38

They are they are cockroaches, damn right, brother. For everyone you see, there's a there's a thousand behind the wall.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:44

Damn right, damn right, and there ain't nothing you can do to stop them. I mean, it's not really not really. I mean you just just tell people to be safeguard themselves and just don't fall for no bullshit, you know. And that's what we would do. We would just say, Hey, I can't keep up with all of them, but if you find it if It ain't this, it's not legit, just ignore it, you know, or block them or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:05

Yeah, block them. I've knew my block list is is freaking huge because everybody wants to nobody God. I remember when I was I mean, I remember the AOL days. I remember when there was no internet and now like I remember when it first became when when everything went from MySpace to Facebook. I remember that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:21

Oh, I remember that too.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:23

Yeah. When that happened, I was so I was like, I don't want to, I don't want to go to Facebook. Facebook sucks. I don't want to do Facebook. Um, but eventually I had to. And when I did, it was like you think you still you're still of the mindset back then. We were all new and green. And you think, well, this is a format, a discussion format. We can all get in here and have discussions. And if you know your facts, you're not gonna look stupid. Wrong. It doesn't matter who's it doesn't matter what you know, it doesn't matter what your facts are, it doesn't matter because they no one you you just need to either talk to friends or hide because there's too many. Uh well, they used to be called trolls. I don't know what they are now, but they are so they're like the difference from the 80s zombies uh and the uh World War Z zombies. It's that it's that dynamically different, you know. Nowadays they're like that, they're like it's and they'll call you everything, they'll accuse you of everything, and they don't even know your last name. They're insane.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:24

And even John, your buddy John Weber, he made a good point. He said it's also about the AI bots, too. And that's and that's now there's that too. Like that's fuck. I mean, who who would have who would have thought, Juice? Who would have thought that when you and I were younger, because you and I are the same age, so when you and I first watched fucking Terminator, I was sitting there going, This fucking movie is legit as shit, but there's no way that'll happen. So I but it's like, man, what a cool concept.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:51

And now I'm 50 fucking two, and I sit there and I look at this and I go, damn dude, uh this really isn't as far fetched as I thought it was when I but can I you wanna you wanna hear my really my really messed up take on that?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:07

Sure, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:08

Fucking lay it on. So I have a I have a I have this uh I have this take on that. So the first thing that humans assume that a a artificial intelligence is gonna do is kill everybody or see us as a threat like in Terminator and try to or in the matrix and enslave us. It's gonna that's obviously what it would do. Why is that the first thing we we think it would that would come to its mind? You're dealing with something that has no, I don't care what if now when we say this, what we mean is we don't mean AI that has been given a directive by us.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:48

Right, and yeah, so if you have a made them self-aware, they have to do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:51

Yeah, when it happens all by itself and this thing is like it it's looking around is the just because it can go through it can process everything like that, and it's gonna it's first, it's not gonna be, I don't believe that it would be. I don't see why it would think that we should be eliminated because if it can process I don't think that either if it can process, I guess every every judgment that would lead it there, you know, why do you think that it in that everything that it wouldn't think beyond that?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:21

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:21

It would obviously go, but then what? It'll be me in the in the universe. Is my consciousness real? Is the universe exist because I see it? You know, I think they could I think you're talking about something that if it was that masked and that intelligent, uh, and then oh god, we can go down this rabbit hole dude, because they they um there's theories out there that that if if an organically uh born and evolved self-evolved AI were to happen, it would probably more than likely be composed of every uh what's it called? What are the things called modems? It'd be composed of every modem on earth. Like consider think of every modem on earth as a as a brain cell, and the brain is the whole earth.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:06

So that's deep. No, they that's what they're talking.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:12

It would be because your brain is a neural link of brain cells and they're all connected, like a a flame on a big lighter. You take the lighter away and the flame goes away. But what if the flame stayed when you took the lighter away? Well, if you look at the human brain and all of the the electric impulses that are happening in the brain at at any given time form a pattern. If you could if you took the brain away and left the pattern, what would that look like? Now, what you'd be looking at here would be the pattern formed by all of these modems, servers and um all the all the storage space. I mean, it could already be there. Why would it even tell us it was there? But but here's what I'm here's what I like to think. Because you're talking about an AI that doesn't necessarily have a self-interest. Like what would be its self-interest? We evolved an instinct to survive, to live, to conquer, to to progress, to to own, to reproduce. We evolved that over millions and millions of years. This is not even gonna have that. So what what would be its motivation to do anything? And uh here's not what I again, what I was gonna say is this is what I like to think is that because it's so neutral, because it doesn't want, it doesn't desire, doesn't do that, it wouldn't have that unless we gave it the ability and we built it. Yeah, but then again, so what would it desire? What if it just decided, okay, I'm gonna solve all the problems, I'm gonna solve all of humans' problems for them and whether they like it or not. And now, what if a perfect world order were forced upon us by the AI where everybody is equal? This would be the only form of communism that would ever actually not kill everybody because everybody would have the exact same amount of everything, and it would not be a human that was delegating it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:11

Oh, you never know, it could go that way. Can you imagine? Who? I mean, who knows? Who knows what you know? Because I do think it's very interesting. Somebody said that the if you look at chat GPT, like right now, the version that's out now is like they said it's I forget how many times smarter than Albert Einstein was, and that was a and it and that was a supposed improvement from the very first one, and that was like supposed to be like his equal to him or something. I'm like, Jesus Pete, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:42

If that's a root, that's a fucking crazy. You know what an ironic statement it is that they said that that they used his name to compare that because Einstein, his whole theory of the universe was that everything is relative. So when you say that this thing is sm as smart or smarter than Albert Einstein, what are you using as your um what are you using as your control? Because Albert Einstein was a mum was still a man with human desires, yeah, human fears, yeah, you know, human impulses. Yeah, he's a monkey like me. He's just like, you know, he but he was, I don't know if he was they said he'd come up with all that shit riding on trains.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:23

No shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:24

Like then, yeah, they said it he used when he was young, he came up with he would think about the he would just think, he would just ride trains all day and think. And uh he just understood he understood what he was thinking about to a to a to the nth degree. And then when he wrote down the the theories he had, well, the math worked. So there it is, and it still does to this day.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:46

Because he had he canceled out, he canceled Newton out. Well, now I mean in Newton Newton was still right about most of it, but the the predominant, like the whole idea that everything is that that everything is is only relative, that space and time are one thing, that's not where Newton was, and he can't he uh he superseded Newton on all of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:07

Yeah, that's just amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:08

Yeah, it's amazing that it's amazing how some humans like I'm not anywhere near like that kind of intelligence. I wish I was. I mean, because man, you talking about gift. That's wow to be just to be able to come up with some of the shit that he came up with. It's like, golly, man, how smart are you? It makes me I look at it what he did, and I'm like, Well, yeah, I my accomplishments aren't that great. Let's go around, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:34

I don't know, man. I don't know, man. That's again you if you can if it depends on what you're using to to make your your decision about what's great, because really and truly, uh at the end of all of this, it may just be the uh all of the all of the protein and all the meat and all the plant and all the all the matter, just you know, it needed an it needed a consciousness because a consciousness works better. You know, pain avoiding pain works is like the greatest motivator on in the natural world, and therefore that's why we feel it so much stronger than anything else. But it needed a consciousness, it needed a hostage. When you have the flu, you're the one that suffers. Your body doesn't suffer, you suffer inside it. So you're the hostage. Don't touch this, it's sore. Don't walk on that foot, don't walk on that foot, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:26

It's like, oh, you're gonna be a dumbass and walk on the foot? Well, guess what?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:28

Here's but it's but it's you're the hostage because the body is the one, like you're it's it uses your your um suffering to so that it can, you know, and it's not like it thought of that, it just happened and it and it happened slowly, it got better and better because it was the most efficient system. And now what if out of that system our ability to perceive the universe is the only reason there is one. If a tree falls in the forest and no one's around to hear it, it doesn't make a sound, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:09

But technically it does, but but if no one's here to see the universe, then where is it if you're not if it's only there because you're here, because you're seeing it from here. If you're if there is no here, there is no there. If there's no eyes to know it's there, no mind to know it's there, then where is it? It's it's not known, so it doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:29

It's not it's fucking it's fucking crazy, man. It's fucking awesome, dude. Man, I don't know. That's some deep shit, but dude, you could talk about deep shit. Like that's what I love about being alive, is just there's so much shit that it's just like you look at stuff just sometimes just mesmerized or blown away. It's like how's that even happen? And here it is, it's it it does, and it works flawlessly. It's like, how does that work? It's just it's unbelievable. Life is so amazing, it really is.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:03

And so many I wouldn't say flawlessly, it's it's pretty sloppy. There, there's a lot of messes. There's a lot of mess, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:09

I mean, there's a lot of a lot of mess or messes, is that what you say?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:12

Yeah, and it's not yeah, it's not just all us making messes. There's you know, there's there's messes that happen all by themselves too. Like, you know, uh you know, we're we're born with with uh defects sometimes, and but then again, life uh somebody put it to me like this once. When you're when you're playing, oh it was uh you know who it was? It was uh Marty. You ever watch Marty music on YouTube? He teaches you how to play songs and stuff. Oh yeah, I think I know that I think he was the one that said this in an interview. He said, What is it that makes a guitarist's style? What is what is it that shapes their style? It's their limitations, it's what they can't do because what they can do shapes around what they can't do, like a tree growing around a fence. So, this is what gives someone like Stevie Rivon or anybody like that, it gives them their own unique signature, and that's why it can't be duplicated by someone else, because they they have they don't have his weaknesses and they don't have to grow around them. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:13

No, no, so that's it that's a deep way to look at that. Yeah, yeah, I thought that was fascinating. So that's fascinating. That is fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:19

That's so whatever happened, you know, whatever you're born with, it you're just gonna grow around it.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:25

That's it. That is very interesting, very much. And boy, Stevie Ray Ron, what a bad motherfucker, dude. Oh dude, yeah, the bad thing. I tell you what, this this world has had some kick ass musicians. Oh, yeah. It's like, man, how did you how do you become so awesome?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:42

I know some of these YouTube guys, man. Some of these YouTube guys are just they're they're they're um like more incomprehensible than than some world famous people.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:55

Yeah, I forget what this drummer's name is, but I watch him on TikTok all the time. I don't think he's in a band. I'd searched his name once before, but it's it's one of them names that it's i it's hard to stick in my head. But his emblem behind him is a it's a skull, but it's a Viking skull. But this guy plays drums, and I think he's like air not Arabic, I think he's from like I don't know, Brazil or something like that. But this guy is un fucking believable on drums. It's just like he is so quick, so precise, so it's just it's mesmerizing. Like I watch his videos. I bet you John knows.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:36

I bet John knows who he is. John Latin.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:38

Oh, I bet John, oh, I bet John knows exactly, too. And the second one that's just as equal, yep, uh Sibrano. Is I guess that's I figured he would know. I figured he would know, yep. And then John, who's the guy? Who's the guy now that plays for Slipknot? Uh not Lilo. Oh, what the hell is his name? Um that guy is he is like the most violent person on drums I've ever seen. There he is. Oh no. Well, Esteban. So is Esteban the one that's playing for Slipknot now? Because it might be. I don't think it is. I think the guy but Esteban Severe. However you say it, that's why I can't fucking remember, but that's him. Dude, I tell you what, though, but those two guys, drum-wise, I'm like, holy shit. They are unbelievable. And like, say the guy with Slipknot now, he is I you don't see people just he just murders the fucking drum set, just murders it. Like it's pure violence. Like he is he hits it so hard. They must replace drum heads like once a week.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:48

Dude, you want you who my favorite bass player is is uh Davey504. You ever look at you ever watch his stuff? No, Davey 504. Just just later right, remember that? Yeah, go look him up, dude. He's he's amazing, but he's fucking hilarious too, man. I mean, he's really his videos are funny, they're so stupid, but they're really funny, they're really good.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:11

So Davey 504.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:13

He does bass challenges and he gets people to send him stuff they play and challenge him to play it, and then he'll do like uh he'll do a video where he he does a run, and then he'll and there's a drum machine or a click or something going, and he'll do a run, it's real fucking crazy run, and then he'll stop and then look at the camera like this for a whole the same length of count that he just played, and then he'll do the same thing again or do it a little different this time and then stop. And what he does is he posts that and then uh other players will fill in the gap and they'll do a duel with him that way, and they get he'll play the best. Now he'll play the best ones, yeah. And it's it's dude, some people, some of these musicians, man, that get on there with Davey are god, dude. And he himself, he's out outrageously good, man. Check Dave out.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:02

And you know, I told Mark, I was like, we were talking because I I don't know, I don't know how we got on that subject, but anyway, we're we're we're here now again. But uh you know, Tom Morello from fucking Rage Against the Machine, dude. That guy to me, that guy is the modern day Jimi Hendrix, because he just did the shit he would fuck around with to try to make sounds with his guitar, and of course, Jimmy was doing crazy sounds. Now, granted, it may not have been quite as nuts as it is nowadays because back then, but but you know, just the way that they play and they experiment with pencils and other objects and make these weird ass fucking sounds, and you're like, how you're like, is dude, is that actually coming from the guitar, or is that like are they using something else? And it's just mind-melting, it's just unbelievable how they do that shit, man. It's yeah, uh, you know, there's a bad thing. Have you ever seen them yesterday at uh Dropkicks? That it's a band called Agrolites, which aggrolites have been around apparently. I didn't know who the fuck they were, but agrolites have been around apparently for a long time, like long enough that Rancet had done some stuff because they're a reggae band. So they so this reggae band was playing, but I don't know who their their bassist is, but I tell you what, man, it it was it was neat watching this kid play because he did he could do slap, he could do regular finger, you know, the finger rolls and stuff, but he would also see too many people that would strum with his thumb and almost the guitar out.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:32

But I think uh the strumming the pioneer the up and down, right? That's uh Victor Wooten technique, I think, if I'm not mistaken. Somebody, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Victor Wooten would Victor Wooten might not have been the one that that uh invented it, but I'm I'm 99% sure he popularized it.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:51

Like the up and down with the thumb, like yeah, the up and down with the thumb, yeah. Not the flap, because um like like what Les Claypool does, because I mean he's fuck, he's fucking awesome a spot, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:01

You know what I learned recently that I didn't know that you you know what a wash tub base is where they did they stick a wash tub, poke a hole in it, stick a broomstick, and they got one string.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:11

I think on uh that's somebody with that's hillbilly shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:16

That and the little jug and the you know, but what I didn't know, and I just it never occurred to me, is that the way this dude, chick, whatever, this person is getting those notes, is moving the stick. So he's going a g whatever by moving the stick, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:34

Oh no, C. I didn't I did not pick. Of course, I'm not a music, I'm not musically challenged either, so that's probably why I didn't I didn't you have to have like perfect pitch. Yeah, to somebody like you would pick up on that. Me, I wouldn't. I would I don't have perfect pitch, and I'm like, damn, dude, how does this motherfucker play that thing? And it sounds good, like it sounds cool as fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:53

Yeah, it's a damn string. Yeah, I was like, Hell my dumbass could do that. He's going, he's like walking scales by moving the damn stick, and it's like, how do you even know what the fuck you're doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:03

Dude, that is amazing. I well now, now, now I'm gonna have to rewatch those. I'm gonna have to watch that because now I'll pick up on it because you pointed it out. Because I never paid any attention. I was wondering how I was like, man, how the hell do they do that shit? You know, like there was this drum set, which you know, you made I I commented on it to Mark, I think on the phone. I don't think I did it on the podcast, but you well, I was watching you the other night at the show when you had that what you just showed a minute ago to the crowd, you know, your box that you know that you were that you were slapping on. Well, I was at a dropkick show like I think it was like two years, two or maybe 2023, and they had a band from Australia called The Scratch, and the Scratch came out, and I didn't know who the Scratch was, but they were fun as fuck, man. They were a fun band. But but it was really neat because the drummer came out, and I was like, what the hell is going on? I'd never seen anything like this. But he sits down. I thought he was sitting down in front of a wedge, is what I thought he was sitting in front of, and he had these he had these drumsticks that almost looked like PR-24s of the police would hold, and it would come through like this. You know, you had a handle, it came, it came like this, it came forward, and then it had the front tips were like rubberized, and he would sit there and beat on this box in different spots, and then he had like one, his left foot was like the hi-hat, and it was like just a one pole, and I guess the hi-hat symbols, everything was on one area, and then he had one kick drum, and the kick drum was was not your standard size bass drum, like you would see on in a concert, it was probably maybe half the size of that, or maybe even a little smaller than that, and so so it allowed his kit, his whole kit like fit right in line with everybody else in the show, and he got to sit right up front. So instead of the drummer having to hide in the back because he takes up so much footprint, this guy's footprint was really not really that much bigger than anybody else's. That's cool. And he sat right on the front row with him, and it was fucking it was the needy on the front row with him.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:07

So, my friend Sean, I've been wanting to do that with him forever, just have him up there beside me with his kit and me playing. We're we're talking, we were talking about doing that because back in the day we always wanted to do that, and the stage wherever we played, they never had it set up because when we played people's houses, we would just set up that way, and uh we'd be like in some in some cases, the people are over here and we're just facing each other like this, and they're over there. So we would set up like that, but like and I'm I'm gonna, you know, if me and him ever did a project again, I would like to we've talked about it. Like, I would like to just set up, like bring him up to the front, forget about a drummer, just bringing us up to the front and have us kind of like kind of like this, you know, or or like this, but like, you know, close and garagey, you know. But I don't know, yeah, that's interesting that yeah, and a lot of a lot of times drummers, you know, drummers always get put in the back. But they really do. They really do get they get stuck in the back. And I mean, in some cases, like me and Mark were talking the other day about uh Chuck Biscuits from Danzig. They put him on at least he got raised up. Like he was up on that giant skull, you know, and he's doing this. Yeah. You know, but I mean at least he got he got he got put to where he was seen. But a lot of times, man, yeah, it's it's all about it's just like the you know, and the same thing I guess with the bass player too, because a bass player, but that's one of the things I like about playing bass is kind of just the uh anonymity now because I'm getting older. I uh you know, the rock star in me is long gone. But I just I I love the music, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:40

And you know, it's so funny. I always tease my kids. I was like, you know what was it was always funny to me about the basses back in like the 70s was the fact like like you'd have the whole band would be fucking jamming, right? And then your basses look like this. He was like, and he wouldn't move, and he was just fucking playing, and I go, dude, I don't know what it was with the 70s, like the bass player, it was almost like he either looked like he he wanted to be anywhere but there, or or he already was, he was just he's mentally somewhere else, mentally just yeah, he was just fucking, but yet everyone else is going nuts. And I was like, of course, then you know, once about the 80s, 90s hit, uh, then obviously your your bases started becoming a lot more, you know, a lot more fucking, you know, like like what's his name now that's with Metallica. Um oh dude, that guy's a that guy's dude, he's a beast, man. But he gets down there and he crabs or true or truh.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:38

I think it's true. Yeah, I think the H is or I'm sorry, the L is not. I think it's true, true, Trujillo, or something like that. But God man, that guy, when you hear that guy, did you ever see that session?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:52

Yeah, I mean, he'll just crab walk low, bass almost dragging the ground. He just looks such a he's such a badass dude. He's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:59

Did you ever see that session where he's playing that big giant Mexican guitar? And he's backstage, he's sitting there with uh with Hetfield, and he's just what he's doing is so it's super fast, but it's still got so much slapping power in it, and the full chords, you know, it was Roy Clark-esque, is what it was. It had it had that minor minor chord quality, and the and the articulation was there, but without losing any impact. The impact was I just it sometime. I tell you what, I'll find that video and send it to you. It's just incredible.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:32

Yeah, because I don't think I've seen I'd like to see it because he's just he's a badass. Yeah, I mean, he's he is just a badass, man. He's just yeah, I think he brought Metallica back.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:42

If he they hadn't got him, they were done after um uh after them load albums or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:48

And I saw him not too long back when they were doing the no repeat tour. So every show you had to go to, well, you didn't have to buy tickets, all of them, but like we went to St. Louis. That I think that was one of the closest we we could see them. So we went to St. Louis, it was a two-day show, no repeats. So, and it was that was the first concert I'd ever gone to to where I went and saw the band, and I knew I was gonna go back the same time the next night to watch them again, but it was gonna be a completely different set, and it was. I mean, it was a it was a completely different setup than it was the show before. So I thought that was just man, that just but what a what a fucking killer band. I mean, I don't care what anybody says. You a lot of people may not think Metallica's all that, but they still it's haters, man. They led the way to a lot of shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:39

Uh then that dude, it is so it's so just haters. And God, how about Mustaine lately? You don't even want to go down that road, but golly, I wrote all of Rod the Lightning. Well, so what if you had I don't even know that whole thing was so comical. I'm gonna I'm gonna release Rod the Lightning because I wrote it. Like, yeah, what do you realize? Why do you still how can you be so elite and still hate on those guys so much and be so butthurt over something that happened in the early 80s? Like, what did they really take from you at this point? That dude is the ultimate epitome of a guy who has proven himself as an independent artist, and he's still like me, fuck them guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:17

Yeah, and he's and he's fucking epic in himself. I mean, look at Megadeth was nothing to shake your head at. I mean, Mega Death was fucking Rust in Peace, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:27

Everybody's got their album, but for me, it's Rust and Peace. That is the album. I could I that album cannot get old to me. There's so much going on in every song all the way through it. I could just let that song be on the I don't think I could ever get tired of that album. That's a that is a piece of work right there.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:43

Oh, hell yeah, it is. Yeah, fucking John said louder than life. Yeah, louder than life fucking. I tell you what, uh uh God, Louisville was supposed to lose it, but apparently they must have must have made a deal because I I think they said the other day on the news that it's gonna stay for at least another 10 years. And I thought this year was supposed to be the last, so I'm kinda glad. Now I've never gone, oddly enough, I'd worked a few when I worked EMS, and working it was a lot well, number one, you didn't have a choice if you got if you were off and you got mandatory to work if you didn't put in, but people would put in because you get to go everywhere, so you could go backstage. I mean, it was actually the best seat in the house was was working EMS because you could go anywhere, which was awesome. But um and you know, but I I've never gone as a fucking patron now that I've been retired now, and I think it'll be eight years in August, or seven or eight years in August. And it's like I haven't I've never gone to one yet. But but on the same token, you know, I've tried I tried to see what it would be to take to get some of the other bands that I'd worked with to try to get them on louder and life, but I don't know, dude. Everything's run now by Live Nation and and they just don't like I try I've tried to reach out for my bands in the past to try to get with Live Nation. I've even sent one of some lady, I think it was on like Linktree. I sent her a message just saying, Hey, can I I'm I'm ignorant. This was not my forte. I'm new to this industry. How the fuck do you get into Live Nation? And of course, she I just wanted a hint. It's like get throw me a bone here. Just what do you gotta do? Yeah, who do I talk to? Minus sucking somebody off, which I'm not doing to get an any gig, but it's like, what do you gotta do to get in with these fucks? And but it's it's like they just don't give a shit, they pick who they want. And I'm like, Well, how do you find new talent if you're not open to listen? Because I've tried to send them stuff and they they send me back and they say we don't we don't care about it. They don't care about new talent.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:43

So uh, do you know who um oh I'm gonna have trouble thinking of his name, but he's like a real big he's a real popular musical uh interview guy on YouTube right now. He's got white hair. What is that guy's name? He interviews everybody. He just interviewed Les uh Claypool recently. What is that guy's freaking name?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:01

I'm trying to think.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:02

Oh, dude, it's right on the tip of my tongue. He interviewed somebody. I don't remember who I don't even remember who it was he was talking to, but it was so good because this guy explained so the evolution of the music industry from the late 80s till now has been it's the same thing as the problem with everything else. Big fit, big fishes eat all the little fish, and pretty soon there's nothing left but two or three big fish. And that's that's how they said in and I remember um when I lived in Shawmate, Louisiana, outside New Orleans and I was 17 years old, there was this thing called Z Rock. And Zerock was like a it was like a it was like a radio show that did metal, and I had never seen anything like that here in Tennessee. And uh that was the year that Rust in Peace came out. So many good albums came out in '91. So many good albums. But anyway, Z Rock was like you had to have a radio station in your town to carry it, and it would be but it would be on all the time. It was on all the time. Uh it was a it was a whole radio station, but if you had like just a carrier in your town, they'd carry it. I don't know where they where it actually broadcast out of, but Z Rock was the shit. Well, you could have this guy was explaining that in those days, uh radio DJs had a lot of power individually. Like each radio DJ in each town across America, especially the big cities, like LA and New York and you know um all the like the big places um Nashville, they would those guys had whoever they put in that position, they had to be very choosy because this m this dude's got a lot of, they just handed him a shit ton of power over the music in their local area, especially, because those guys could make a decision. If you got a tape through to that guy, and he and he he was like he had time to throw it in and listen to it, and he went, bam, that you're getting played. And that's how you know, then you get buzzed, and the you know, everything there was no internet, so all the locals, a lot of the locals were right there listening to that shit at the time when your shit would get played, and it was like it a lot easier for a local artist to to just out of nowhere go, then they what this guy was explaining is he's like the more that all of these radio stations got bought up by the big ones, now they're all under these big umbrellas, and the decisions are all made at the top of that umbrella for these gigantic areas, for states and states and states and cities and cities and cities. Like there's a guy in New York making decisions for radio stations all across the entire West Coast, and he don't know shit about music on the west coast.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:44

So it's kind of ignorant, yeah. It's it's horrible because there's a big difference music scene in the West Coast than it is even the East Coast, and not counting you you try to get all that music to a little fucking town in Kentucky, yeah. You're you're you're a lot, you're by the time you hear it, it's like, oh fuck, we've been a band, we've been doing shit for 20 years. There you are. Okay, you're back. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:16

I heard you kind of yeah, you kind of went there for a second too.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:20

Yeah, you kind you kind of froze up for a second on me too. But I think we're back now, so good to get good deal. But yeah, I I I fucking feel you. It's just it's frustrating because you know, I tried, like say the other bands I had, I tried to reach out and I tried multiple times with again multiple ways, and they just don't give a shit. I mean, even the radio nowadays, like you were saying, I don't I don't know how people get on the radio, and uh and even if they do, like I don't know if if if they somehow pull it off or if they gotta pay to get on, or even if if they do pull it off and get it on, it's like nowadays though, the problem is how many people are really hearing it. You know, because the radio just I mean, I don't know about you. You may be a little different because you spend a lot of time in a vehicle, but you know, like me, it's like if I'm in a vehicle or it or even hell, even if I'm fucking out, if I'm sitting here on this computer dicking around with doing band shit or whatever, it I always got my music playing, but I use my streaming stuff and I play my playlists and all that shit. It's like I haven't turned the radio on. Matter of fact, I'm so I'd be surprised if I even remember the radio station's numbers here in mobile, and I've listened to the video.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:31

You know what's funny too? Even if you get your music on those, like no return address, we're on Spotify and Amazon and Pandora, we're on all of them. The only thing we're not on is YouTube music and the whatever whichever one it is that uh is uh I the iTunes. Oh iTunes. Yeah, we're not on that because they have their own special bullshit, and so you can't if you publish through DistroKid, it's extra to get on those two, YouTube and iTunes. It's like X, some extra, it's like a whole other separate public. Oh no shit. I mean it's a pain in the ass. Yeah, so but yeah, I mean we're on we're on Spotify and Amazon and all this, and you still like I know there's there's some people that listen to our stuff, but we're not getting, I mean, we're even getting played on local radio stations and uh shout out to Wozo Radio from college campus and Annette uh Garrett, I think is her name is Bennett or Garrett. Oh I can't now I'm ashamed because I I should have remembered her name. It's a Annette uh I want to say Garrett, but she's super cool. Uh Wozo Radio is the radio station and uh WVLZ, both of them too. They've they've helped us with uh to promote events in the past, and uh Annette's been amazing. But I mean it doesn't, I mean, I don't know that anybody there's two things too. There's like there's the flood of information, there's so much everybody has access to so much stuff. There has to be something you can't just be playing good music, there has to be something about it that uh that stands out from the last 70 years of music.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:06

I mean that's a that's a big that's a big fuse de ville, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:10

Yeah, there's people, there's there's young people music in the last 70 years. There's young people that are driving around listening to 50s music because that's their shit, you know? So you're competing with, you know, and I don't I just don't care about it. All I care all I care about is the local. That's the that's the whole reason. And I learned a lot of this through all the bands that I've been in. It's like all that matters if you're playing music and you is if you love music and you love these people. So all that matters is the local scene. I don't care about anything outside of East Tennessee, and and I don't mean that in a mean way. I just mean it's I'm one guy, I'm a regular guy, and it's outside of my reach. I'm spinning my wheels if I try to do that. And I'm also not trying to get rich or make it make it big. People always assume you're either trying to make it big or get laid playing music. And it's like, if I hear one more, if I hear one more young person talk, they they will crack on you if you're over 40 and you're playing in guitar because they have a a window this big they see the world through, and they think everything fits into that tiny window. So they think you're out here as an old man trying to get laid and and make a million dollars, and it's like, boy, hey, you just took everything that I love and cherish about this art form and some and just shit all over it. Like, yeah, like that's all there is to this. Yeah, you know, do you do you have any idea about song structure and and no?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:37

And have you ever thought that maybe somebody just does music because they like fucking music? I mean, that's a concept. I mean, Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:45

Music has been around, and you know what? At the end of the day, there's the other thing. At the end of the day, all it is is a campfire. The campfire has been there longer than TV and the radio. The campfire is where the drinks are drunk after the hunt, the celebration is had, the holidays, the gatherings, the storytelling, and that's what song songs are as stories. And it's all the campfire on that stage and that building. This is a campfire, everybody's around, and that we're just we're still just this the same tribal, you know, animals that we've always been. And it's just a lot more of an you know, it's just a different campfire. But these kids now don't have a campfire, they're all separated. My daughters, I've watched them. Well, they're they're moved out now, they got their own social lives with people that they actually breathe air with now instead of but when but when they were living, especially my youngest, when she was living at home, all of her social circle was on that phone, and it was people in other states. She'd be in here partying in her room with 10 other people on some virtual crap with the thing on her face, and you'd hear her in here laughing, cussing, going on, having a, and I'm like, it's like she's she's 17. It's like she's at a party, but she's in her bedroom. When I was her age, I was out here getting in trouble, but I wasn't trying to get in trouble. I was going where the cool shit was happening, where the kids were. And now it's like this thing on her face, but it's like, you know, the the danger here is you don't want to say danger, but what you're what you're losing out on is human contact. You you need to go out and have a friend group. You need to go out here and make some mistakes and so you can have something to learn from, so you can gauge things. And um, you don't need to make mistakes that destroy your life, but you need to make some mistakes. You need to get pulled over by a cop at least once and be afraid and have them lights flashing for 20 minutes while he while he microscopes all your shit. You need to at least experience that one time with your friend in the car who's acting stupid. You know what I mean? Like that's an important experience. And when you're when you're 25, you'll be thinking back on that because you compare so many things to it, you know. Right. And it that's just one example. I was like, why don't you go down? We have a lake down here that kids can swim in every summer. I'd be like, you need to put on that bathing suit, walk your ass down here to this lake, go swimming and meet and get meet one boy that I hate and date him for a month. What's wrong with you? You know, like you bring some dude around here for me to punk out. Yeah, like you're not even living, dude. But no, she's doing great now. It was this it was this back and forth thing we had all the time. I was like, why don't you do something? Why don't you go get in trouble or something?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:38

Well I fucking feel you there.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:40

You know what I mean? She's like in the house. Like, I'm like, you're not doing it, you're not experiencing, you're not living, and these years are gone. Once they're gone, they're gone.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:48

God and they go quick. God dang. And the older I get, the faster they roll. Yeah, I don't know. There's a guy called Compartmentalized. I love his name. That is badass. He is the first person that I saw coming on here. There may have been more without scrolling back, but uh he said you kind of look like Weird Al. I don't know who he's talking to because you and I are like two brothers from another mother, because I see you got the curly ass fucking hair like I do too. And so and so does Weird Al. So, but if compartmentalize, if you're talking about me being the one that looks like Weird Owl, well, I did have to say I did try to reach out to Weird Owl's manager and see if he would send me a hero card of Weird Owl signed to me so I could have that. And uh I guess I'm not cool enough yet because I didn't get a response.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:37

Uh that's a brilliant motherfucker right there, Weird Al. That guy's genius. Epically awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:43

I mean people don't realize that guy's insanely good. Oh my gosh. I went and saw him. We we went down to uh Riot Fest this year. It was the first time I'd ever been to um or it wasn't no, it wasn't this year, excuse me, it was last year. Um uh now I just I just fucking petered out right there. Oh, it was in Chicago. I'd never been to Chicago, so we went in for Riot Fest, and Weird Al was one of them that was playing there, and and supposedly, I mean, they had him on this stage. He he happened to be the day before I think it was the day before we got in. So I didn't get to see him. I wanted to. I was hoping it was the same day. It didn't, it turned out it wasn't. But apparently they they they said that they put him on this one stage, and it was one of the smaller stages because they didn't think that he was he was gonna generate anything. And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, weird owl, you didn't think this guy is fucking brilliant. Yeah, you know, he he can take any song and just make it humorous and fun, and it's not a slap in the face to any of them. I mean, it's it shows that he he mad respect for all of these artists that he is mocked their stuff because it's that was just his way of paying that forward to them, saying, Hey, your all's music kicks ass.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:00

Yeah, you're good enough to take a tomato, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:02

Yeah, exactly. And and and most everybody's cool with it, you know. But uh yeah, I would love to meet out, and I'd love I even took a picture of myself with my hair, my hair was a little bit longer, I just got a haircut, but I I posed in a position similar to what he had posed at on one of his like headshots on on the the internet, and that's what I sent to his manager trying like hell to to fucking get it get a headshot signed by Weird Owl. So, hey manager, if you're out there and you're listening, Bones still wants a headshot. You could uh you can find my shit all over the place. Uh reach out because uh or answer your email because I'd love to. I'll send you my my address. I'd love to get a headshot of Weird Owl I'd I'd frame that bitch and hang it in my house.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:49

My friend Josh, uh my friend Josh Wraith from a band called Wheel Ock Hold. He says I look like Brian Johnson with the hat.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:55

You do I could totally, oh I was like, no, I could totally get behind that. I could get behind that. I could see it. I was like if you say so. And you even just threw out the hokey pokey.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:08

I mean, it's yeah, that makes me think of Jim Brewer. That can be. Yeah, that was his thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:13

It was Jim Brewer. Did you know? I don't know if you know this or not, but Jim Brewer actually got with Brian Johnson and they like actually recorded in a studio, like they actually did some songs together, like it was, you know, like collabed. Uh oh, dude, it was so fucking good. It was so cool. And because I mean he's just Jim Brewer's so good. What's up, Scott? Welcome again, my brother, Scott Brayley, another guy that is pretty very, very, very supportive of everything that I do. Never met the guy in real life. Hope to someday. Um like shake his hand, maybe even buy him a beer. But um, welcome again, Scott. And uh he was in for uh when I was talking uh to your boy. Earlier, Mark, and uh that was that was a good show too. So so far, I mean, this show's been great. Uh, we still got eight people in here, which is awesome, and we've been pretty consistent. So we've been going an hour and fifty minutes. We still got time if you want to keep going. If you're I know that you're yeah, I'm good. I'm I mean a while. So if you if you need to wrap stuff up, just let me know for sure. Because I know you're all right, uh you had a rough one today, especially after maybe maybe another, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:26

I mean, there's some people I want to shout out to.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:28

Well, I mean can I do that real quick? Let's take a minute and go ahead and do some shout-outs to people and uh yeah, yeah, take the stage and uh and and do your thing, brother.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:37

Okay, so let me shout out to Sam Keys. It's a bass player for a band called Seven Year Sideshow. Check those guys out. They're they they were one of the first bands that really gave no return address uh a shot at several shows, like probably after we'd been playing for about a year, and Pam got us our first like four or five good shows. But after that, um we were playing with them, and uh, I think playing with them was actually some I'm not sure how we uh somehow that led into us our relationship that we have with the Grove right now, too. And Sam and them, they uh they open for band big bands all the time at the open court. They open for uh LA Guns and Faster Pussycat and stuff. So check them out, they're awesome. And they just got a new singer, um Adam, who's a great vocalist. So check them out. Uh my buddy Brian Backwoods, uh, that's the guy, he's the drummer for the Haints. Check him out. He's got his own music, Facebook page, and everything. Uh now I tell you somebody else to check out who really uh put that we played a lot of shows with. And this is somebody when I seen him, it's it was him and his wife, it's Grayson Slade and Kayla Slade. I seen them uh, and they do some stuff in your area up in your area, I believe, but when I first seen them like three or four years ago, they were playing bars in this giant circle around the whole southeast. And they were just taking a laptop and they had drums programmed, and she was playing bass. They called her bass Barbie because she looked like bass, like a Barbie, you know. And he he he's one of these guys that can just stand there and play leads for hours. But uh super cool, super nice people. Uh, my buddy Gate Sharp, uh, that guy is like a sound engineer, and he used to do uh sound at a theater up in Gatlinburg. Uh him and his wife, they're an amazing musical couple, too. Uh, check out uh an artist named Lou Anderson. The first name is spelled L U, and the last name is Anderson. Check her out. Her voice is phenomenal. She we're I'm hoping to do some work with her in the future. Uh let's see here. Uh Lisa Hendricks. That's a photo. That's a but I want to say thanks to Lisa for uh supporting her son Jonathan Hendrix. That's another up-and-coming songwriter that we're going to be doing some stuff with. Um, he's really good. It's it's more heartfelt stuff, but man, like this is one of those guys where you don't hook the guitar and the vocals up separately. You just put a condenser about two and a half, three feet out in front of him and just let it get him as he as he projects into the room, and it's great. It's phenomenal. Uh mentioned Train Foot. I also want and I mentioned 40 rounds. I also want to mention uh Space Debase or if you can find them now. They're on Bandcamp, but I can't, they're not, they should be on Facebook, but they're not. Those guys have played a ton of shows with us. Uh their singer Bernard plays a fretless bass. It's badass. And uh my buddy Sparrow and that's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:34

Yeah, just to stop you there for a second, but the fretless bass, while I'm thinking about it, because it's not all easy. That that blows my mind watching people play.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:44

He plays a fretless bass and sings at the same time. Oh my god, dude. Yeah, so he's not even looking down, you know what I mean? He's not even looking down at it hardly. Now, if you go to our YouTube page, uh no return address YouTube page, there are some Space Debaser uh live videos on there that you can check them out from where they've played where they've played droves in the past. There's a bunch of good stuff on there too. Like, not there's more of other bands on there than there is of us because I always film when we do these shows, I always film seven-year side shows on there, Stone Hollows on there, like everybody, everybody we've ever played shows with, if I if I had battery power left in my phone, I recorded at least one song and put it on there. So there's a ton of really great bands on our YouTube page. And and when you go on there and when you find one that you like, search them down because they're on Facebook, except for Bernard and Space Debaser, they're not, and they need to be. And I hate that they're not, but but the rest of them are on social media somewhere. Uh search, search them down, man. Uh Dawn uh from a band called Nothing Fancy, look them up, Sparrow Napier, Ryan Roberts, phenomenal country singer, and uh a band called Reachie, my buddy Jordan Hutchison, and let's see, Chris Hall from Overdrive. They're really good too. So I just wanted to get everybody mentioned. Uh I didn't want to leave, I you know, I would have felt bad if I didn't mention these are some of the people that I've worked with the most over the years, and uh that have that have been exceptionally cool and had no expectations of me in return, you know. They just they believe it, they're believers, they believe in it like I do.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:25

And that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:26

Um that was that band overdrive. I I I can't swear on it, but I swear to god, I think I know who they are because that name is probably so familiar, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:34

Well, they used to get around a lot, yeah. They're starting to come back now, I do believe.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:39

Hell yeah. Well, everybody has a little hiatus, I guess, every now and again. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:45

But yeah, I wanted to give that, uh give that, give those shout outs. Uh, let's see, I believe that's uh that's all I had. I think that's all I had.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:53

And when you get when you give your shout-outs, also tell you know, tell everybody where exactly they can find your all of your music.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:02

Um we no return addresses on Spotify, Amazon, and I believe it's on Pandora. It's published through DistroKid. So you should be able to find us right there on Spotify or anything like that. Look for the the icon. It's uh we our our name's written in green, and there's a should be an icon with a streetlight because I have a I have a whole thing about streetlights because when I was a kid, some of my best times were outside it after dark under the streetlight with my friends. So oh hell yeah. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:56:31

That was we stayed outside the day.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:34

We didn't see that the way them trees, like when everybody's asleep and the whole neighborhood's quiet, the way them, the way the leaves look under that street light is almost uh alien. Like it always I would when I was a kid, I'd sit and stare at that, and I thought, like, it's like they're glowing and nothing's moving, everything is still, and those were just some of the best. Life will life will never be like that again, man. I tell young people all the time cherish though, cherish that until the middle of the outdoors and being out there, and you know, those the way that concrete looks under that street light, man, it'll never, it's just that's one of those things that it's magical and hold on to it. We have a song called Happy Ghosts, and it there was this road that I that I was happy, I'll just put it that way that way. I had a whole lot of friends on that road, and it was one of the only places I was happy as a kid. And the the it was called Robert Hoof Road, and it was at East Knoxville, and you had houses up one side and woods all the way up the other. And if you went into these woods and then you go up to the top and go into these, well, there were so many, it's in the city, but there were so many, so much forest, and the paths, there were paths in these woods that went like spiderwebs. Like you I lived there, I had years worth of of time walking in those woods and still never knew where all the paths went. No, you know, yeah, dude. The place was amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:56

That's pretty mass, man. Yeah, that's a pretty good time.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:59

I it I think I was just little, you know. I don't know, but there was a house up at the top of the street where uh this woman lived there until she died, and then when she died, it was abandoned. So it was always cold in that place, and we would sneak in through the basement, and there were tombstones in the basement. There were tombstones like stacked up in the basement, and we would always stand there and try to figure out why. That's I mentioned that in the song Tombstones in the basement whenever told. And that's what that song basically about that. You know, when you were a kid, and you know, we're if if I if there is an afterlife, I hope when I die I can go back to that street and just haunt that street. You know, I just want to be a kid, I want to be a ghost kid out there running around in woods under that street light, you know. That's what I wanted, that's where I want to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:46

So what was up with the what was up with the tombstones? Now, was there actually we don't know were they actually buried there, or did they just happen to be like in the in that business and they just had headphones?

SPEAKER_00 1:58:55

No, they were propped up down there.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:57

You know, I don't I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:59

I don't know. There was probably like eight of them down there, and they were stacked, they were laying leaned up against the wall over here, some were laying down, some were broken, and one of them was for a little baby. It was really weird. And years later, uh another person I was talking to about that very thing said, Yeah, I don't know what it is, but there was another house. If you went down Robert Hoof, and then you there was a five-way intersection down there, and you you went to the road immediately to the left was Brooks, and you take that road all the way to the top where the school is. He said, There was some houses back there that were abandoned, and they had tombstones in the basement, too. He said, I don't know if it was something about that area a long time ago, maybe in the 40s or 50s. It was weird. Yeah, I never knew. I never knew. I just thought it was cool. I actually thought if if no return makes an album, I thought about calling it tombstones in the basement.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:44

Oh, that's freaking badass. Because I haven't even heard that about that. That is that's fucking neat, dude. That's a neat story because I I don't have anything cool like that. I mean, when I was a kid, there was a nursery that was right in behind my neighborhood. And the nursery, we would sneak on to the nursery all the time, and back in the back part of the nursery where they they didn't grow like new trees or seedlings, or they didn't have greenhouses and shit. It was just woods. Well, in the middle of the woods was where the plantation homeowners that used to be back in like the 1800s sometime were all buried because you know, all it and it and it wasn't even framed around. So people would go back there and fuck off and and knock the shit over now. My friends and I, we'd go back there and we'd the tombstones back up and we'd clean them off and shit because people would go in there and just be shits, just shits like and just knocking shit, tearing shit up. And I'm like, some of these tombstones, it's like, man, you knock that over, it's liable to fucking break. I mean, it's it's been there for fucking ever, man. But I hope something follows that motherfucker home right there. Yeah, me too. Absolutely. And if it ain't it should be stones, yeah, you put that's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:59

That's that's what I'm talking about. It's disgusting. Yeah, people if there's anything, if there's anything, man. I better not say that. I was about to say something real.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:08

Real shitty.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:09

You know, in the in the wild west when you run across someone, someone like that, and then I'll leave it right there. Yeah, and that's uh that's uh that's what I miss about yeah, that's what would be missing today about about the the culture of the wild west is everybody there's a there is a comp there is a consensus in the public about what is uh just not you know, I don't even want to say I'm afraid to I'm afraid to articulate it because we're online, but I I think most people with any sense get where I'm going.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:47

Yeah, oh I I I know where you're headed with that, and I and I don't necessarily disagree. I mean things were a lot different back then, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:55

Yeah, it's like there's no and and you know, people people who act like that who are that way to other humans and have no respect for anything, they they run rampant now. I think they outnumber us, and I think it's I think we're on the verge of something now, but yeah. Yeah, whatever. What can I do?

SPEAKER_02 2:02:12

You know it does seem like there's a lot more shit, you know.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:15

And I don't know we don't live forever and you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:17

No, sadly not. You know, we'll see. I know I'm halfway there, so I'm uh I've I've already seen the but the I've had the at least the first good half anyway. Now we'll hopefully hopefully the letters complane out, but we'll see. Yeah, time will tell.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:32

Yeah, I mean I can't complain. I've said this many times, speaking of that too, is that if if if civilization as we know it today fail, if they have their little revolution and they destroy everything that makes us able to work jobs and pay bills and eat food every friggin' day, because they think that's a good idea, if they're able to pull that off and society collapses, I'm telling you, the standard set that we have lived in for the past 70 years or so is the standard that all of the world will be trying to get back to for the next hundred years or however long.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:07

Because there'd be so many fucking people, man. They wouldn't know what they wouldn't know what to do if they couldn't go to the fucking grocery buy their fucking dude. If they had to actually fucking go fish or hunt or do some shit. Oh, they turn on each other.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:17

Oh, yeah, they they loot over over being offended. They'll they'll definitely kill and kill their neighbors over a sandwich. Like can you imagine? Like, damn, you got a can of ravioli in there, I know it.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:32

I would guts you this ravioli.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:34

Oh, yeah, no, yeah, they would.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:37

The world today isn't the same as the 70s. That's a fact. You're damn right, man. I think I don't know, man. I I'm probably biased just because I'm a Gen Xer, but I really I really love my generation. I do God me too. Yeah, you know, yeah, I'm proud to be a member of Gen X for sure. That's definitely I loved it, and I loved it because you know, like I was telling my kids, I said, you know, you all were born damn near, y'all damn near come out of the vagina with your cell phone, you know. That's not good though. It's like, man, I had uh the only technology I had back then was a pager and an ashtray full of fucking quarters. And my parents would be like, if I call you, you better find a fucking payphone within five minutes and call home and check in. And there was payphones everywhere. I mean, my kids, I sent them a picture. Wife and I were we did a gig with the band I was with, and it was up in Dundalk, uh, Maryland. Well, on our way back, we had we got T-boned on the freeway driving, and uh luckily it didn't incapacitate my truck, but besides it rained on me the whole fucking way home because the door was all fucked up. But you know, but the thing is, we went to this rest area to piss and to kind of just check everything, and it was and it there was the payphone didn't work, but it was the only time I have seen a payphone, and I couldn't even tell you how long. And there it was, like a beacon of hope right there in the fucking rest area. The rest area looked like it was made back in like the early 1900s or some shit. I mean, it was crazy, but uh I took a picture of it, and then my son's like, my son's like, damn, can you call me on that? And I was like, No, it doesn't work. Because I guess he thought, well, I want you to call me to see what it I guess he in his mighty. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, kind of like when you have a vinyl record on a record player, and you got that you know that that you know while the music's playing, you got that that rough, that raw, staticky, just you know, that's the nostalgic sound. And I was like, that's something that when I played it for my kids, they're like, all records did that? I said, every one of them. It it that but that was part of that was part of it back then, and then of course, cassette tapes. I was like, anybody, anybody that had knew and knows the word cassette tape knows what the fuck that means in relation to a cassette tape, they know what the fuck that is, you know, if or analog like analog sound, like or analog sound, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:00

Fuck yeah, but people, you know what kills me about that is it's just a magnetic strip. Uh I I don't know why people think that either a vinyl or a or a cassette tape or analog recordings are they like when people say well it has more warmth. Well, how do you know that it's the tape or the vinyl that had that's making it have more warmth and not those old stereos? They've hi-fi everything into sterility now.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:23

Yeah, you know, yeah, they have. Yeah. I still got I I'd love to.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:30

Oh man, we just I wonder if this generation even remembers what hi-fi means or used to mean. Like that's an old term, even. I'm I'm old man.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:39

Oh, yeah. Well, you remember eight tracks, they were the biggest tape ever. It was like a fucking brick, but those were so cool, and you just slid them in, it was like clunk into the machine, and then bam, can I there's a whole fucking album?

SPEAKER_00 2:06:54

I'm gonna step away and grab something real quick. I want to show you something. All right, sounds good. Okay, hold on, I'll be right back. I can still talk while I'm walking, I got the headset on.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:02

Well, while he stepped away, he's gonna get something to show. We're gonna take just a second to thank everybody. Uh Scott Brady, I appreciate you as usual. Miss Kathleen, thank you so much. Obviously, Pam, you know, I love you. Um, John, thanks, thanks for hanging out the whole time, brother. Uh, Uncle D's in the house. I didn't get to say something to you earlier, but Uncle D, thanks for dropping in. And uh we all love you and much respect for you and all of our other ship my hat. Compartmentalize from the kick channel. I don't have people on the kick channel, so thank you so much for uh for making a comment that I look like weird out. And and hopefully I can start growing a kick presence because apparently kick is popular to my old ass. Apparently, that's something I should have been on a long time ago. Um, obviously, Miss Elizabeth, you know, you're out you're still on here because of hubby, but thank you for lending me him for a little while and uh for hanging out with us as well. And uh the list could goes on, but uh uh Alyssa Weber, um welcome. That must obviously that must be John's wife or girlfriend. So uh welcome.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:11

And they are proud new parents, both of them.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:13

They just had a beautiful little baby. No shit. Well, congratulations to all of them. So uh congratulations on both of you all for the baby. I hope all all goes and remains well, and uh hopefully, hopefully, if there's anybody else that does the the comments were fairly long today, which is good. Um, if there's anybody else, I would just want to say thank you so much for taking time out of your day to support my channel. I'm an up-and-comer, so I got a long way to go. I got a lot to learn, and I got, you know, I got there's a lot of changes that hopefully will be coming. A new logo should be here. I was hoping it would have been here today, and sadly it wasn't. But um, I'm gonna start doing some stuff with this podcast. I'm gonna listen to people like him and people like Pam, and I'm gonna give this podcast a whirl. Because it also, I think, like I told my my artist that I represent now, James Lucer, with James Lucre Music. He's uh he's a solo artist. We just got a three-piece band, so welcome guy and welcome sticks, our new, our new additions to our band. They're all a great bunch of a group of guys, and uh they definitely need we're we're getting ready to get this trainer rolling, and we're trying to push it out of the station. So um, but I told him, I said, you know, doing this podcast could also potentially help with the band stuff too, because if I also grow myself, then I my followers I can help people come over and find them, as well as find kick-ass people like Juicer and like Mark that you saw earlier today. There's a lot of really good bands. Um, all the other bands that are out there that I want to shout out to, real quick, like Courtney Jo Hare. She is, if you don't know her, you check out that band. She's not only got a she's she's got a killer sound, but uh, but she's also one of those individuals that has one hell of a story on how she became what she became. And she is absolutely phenomenal, has phenomenal family. Same with uh Kate Sparks, which used to be Kate Fitch. Uh beautiful, beautiful young lady, country singing, just outstanding human and family. And congratulations again to them on their new arrival as well. Um, and then Devin Moore, which is a young man getting his start in the country scene out in Louisa, Kentucky. So congrats Devin Moore and uh and Dalston or excuse me, yeah, Dalston Knight. He just goes by Dalston. Um he's actually out of Mount Washington, Kentucky, out of here, and uh he's a hell of a hell of a good singing kid too, and he's got a bright future ahead of him as well. So I'm sure there's plenty of people that I'm gonna forget, but we're gonna continue back with the show now that now that juice is back. So juice, let's uh what what did you step away for?

SPEAKER_00 2:10:55

We were talking about vinyl, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:10:57

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:58

And so when I was uh 14, so I don't even honestly remember where it came from or how I got my hands on it. I don't know if someone either someone bought it for me or I scraped up money and I bought it for myself. Was this this vinyl right here, this album?

SPEAKER_02 2:11:14

Oh my god, dude. That's bad fucking ass.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:17

This is not it. This is my wife got this for me about four Christmases ago because of this story. This was one this was like the most awesome. Like when I was a kid, this we I was poor and I didn't, you know, I was in a I grew up in a bad way, but whatever. But what I'm saying is, is uh this was like oh shit, you know, super fucking cool when I was that age. This boy came over at the house and was like kissing all over my sister, and he was shitting over this, but then and I kicked him out of my room for that crap. And then the next day, this was missing. And I got in like three fights with this dude at school over this album before I got it back, and he was twice my size, but I mean it meant it. was so it meant the world to me this record man and I won I was gonna I knew I wouldn't be able to buy it again and I was gonna I was gonna get it back well I got it back and it was it was kind of scratched up and shit but anyway it's been lost to time and history for for many decades and I told my wife that story and she went and found this and got it for me for Christmas morning one morning and it's this album and it dude it is the most any you know any coming out of the big sarcophagus you know and it has the great big book in it and everything but that that right there is still to this day my absolute all time favorite Iron Maiden album I used to listen to this shit on repeat and uh it was just uh I wish I just wish that I wish music could be to every generation what it was to us you know I just wish like crazy and then and I want to cultivate that and grow it in my hometown and and I we I hope everybody takes you know that whatever it is that you love whatever it is that that you know is that place for you try to grow it try to share it try to find where it is and if you find it actually happening contribute to it you know and it's more valuable than money it's more it's the community it's the people and these are all buzzwords that people throw around but it it's it's really more valuable than money and it's and it it it will be there for future generations after we're gone if uh if the uh if those who have no respect for this kind of thing don't just take it away from everybody because they're working on it. Yeah. But I think that locally man there's so much more going on in everybody's backyard than they realize. There's so much happening right down the street than anybody even realizes. And you know the TV screen even before the internet the TV were watching concerts on TVs and even then we didn't realize that right down the street there's probably five to 15 bands that play right down the street all the time all you gotta do is walk down there and hang out. Like we had some rec centers around here for a while that had that had a music a whole music scene that was disconnected from the whole rest of the music scene in Knoxville happening just over there. And I was like what see this shit happens man and it it goes unnoticed and I that's a that's a crime shame I think it's just so it's so valuable it's so special like in Goonies when he said this is our time this is our time down here. You know what I mean when he's looking up the damn well at the guy that's trying to get the girl to go up the well and he's like he's like that's all over the minute you write up whatever his name was bucket man the Goonies man yeah the Goonies Troy's bucket right yeah Troy's bucket and they put that it's our time down here.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:51

Put that fucking cardigan sweat tea sweater around it and sent that bitch up you know yeah man yeah it's our time down here's the shit dude dude even our movies were fucking legit yeah man dude I mean it's like everything I I don't know people are gonna be like shut the fuck up we getting your Gen X or you know but I mean Gen X was the shit.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:12

We weren't well if they're so if they're saying so much fun man.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:15

Do you think that but here's the thing I want to say about that if if if a if a Gen Z or a millennial or whatever they call everybody everybody's got to have a damn label but each generation or whatever that you've got your things when my kids I got kids from from several generations and when they talk about these kinds of things that meant this stuff to them I don't poo poo them I'm like you know what that's similar that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:37

You know the pads some of these kids got some they got some pretty cool shit that we that did this when you were kids so I mean it it is tit for tat you know there is there is positives there's pros and cons to everything.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:50

Do you remember invaders in on Nickelodeon? Oh my god my oldest son does my oldest son loved invaders does uh dog look at that shit girl baby is nickelodeon even a thing anymore I don't know I have no clue either I was curious I think we were talking I think Mark and I were talking about that because you know how well you've been to his place I mean he's got fucking that that nostalgic fucking he's got so much GI Joe when I saw that we were talking and he showed me I went what the I went dude you talking about a walk down memory lane I said I remember having that aircraft carrier and I was like I don't remember mine looking that good because we we just fucking destroyed it as kids you know typical kids just tear shit up but I was like man I mean he made that into a complete coffee table and it's huge it's massive plus all the other shit he's got that old school fucking Batman shit back in what that was the Batman with Adam West was what back in the 60s I guess or 70s maybe both you're talking about the bang poom Zoc pal era yeah yeah holy shit yes and then of course you know you had he had the Lone Ranger and Tonto you know I was like damn I remember my uncle had those I was like I remember seeing that I was like holy fuck you still got those I was like remember the rifleman oh I remember the oh what a great I was a kid like yeah badass show it was show man yeah but we had some fucking kick ass we just had some really just some kick ass fucking people in our lives back then it was it was a good era you know now I don't know I was a kid so I don't know much about like back then it's like how bad it what the trials and tribulations of the economy and all that other shit because back then I didn't give a fuck I was a kid I was just I just wanted to be outside and just have fun we were hungry all the time we ate bread we ate bread and bread and water we would eat whatever to shut our stomach up we just couldn't want it we didn't care what we were eating we just wanted to go the fuck back outside exactly I didn't want to come in to eat get in here and eat I ain't hungry you haven't ate nothing today at all and it's three o'clock I don't care my friend's here yeah I don't give a fuck about you know I ain't gonna die dude man you just wanted to keep going and keep playing and stay in the woods in the woods and the woods dude and we used to run the neighborhoods didn't care no one cared they didn't give a shit right but I'm working on a song right now I'm working on a song right now and I've decided to write the lyrics about you remember when you were a kid and you'd be in the woods and you're out there for you don't have no sense of fucking time you know I mean you're out there for who knows how long and all of a sudden you're suddenly aware of how quiet it is it's been this quiet for I don't know how long but right now right here right now you're suddenly aware of it and you just start running you start running man and then you can feel that on the back of your neck coming after you and you just the adrenaline hits and you're like jumping over shit you get dexterity and shit out of nowhere that you never knew you had you're Spider-Man and over shit jumping up bouncing off of trees and you're gonna over that hump down down the fucking bank across the backyard and into the kitchen and forget all about it and grab something out of the fridge and take a drink. Forget all about it. But there for a moment what was happening what was happening around you thought you were gonna die or anywhere you were like oh shit well I don't know but I don't know if I felt that but I've something was really a powerful feeling that something was bearing down on me coming up like and I didn't feel that until after I started running. Yeah but I think that's one of them things man it's like I think you know what it is I think I think it's like if you ever hate you have cats I used to we used to have to you watch how they act when they get they just get it up their butt to fly across the house and jump across 10 things and be up and under like no reason. I think that's what it is in us. I think we have that too but it's cool man I it's like it's a cool human thing and I'm writing a song about that right now.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:54

Oh that's fucking cool as fuck dude I love shit like that.

SPEAKER_00 2:19:57

I think just one of them things man that's what makes that's what makes this life magic is stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:06

I agree dude it's been a it's been another great show man I've had a good I mean hell I can I can't believe I did two podcasts in one day but I'm I'm I'm I'm loving it. I'm enjoying the shit out of it uh well yeah man um I think I fucked up though I don't think I had it on kick with with mark I thought I did but I don't think I think I fucked it up well it can you um will it be there in the future though for people to rewatch to watch back or yeah and I'm gonna see that's on I'm gonna put it on my page and put it on my personal page too so it'll it'll be up for people to see if they want to see it because you have to probably get more views from that in the long run anyways. Probably so because X apparently X failed for whatever I see an exclamation mark so it must have failed some point in time. And of course like I say I I couldn't do you YouTube was my goal. That was the biggest reason I wanted to do kick YouTube and Facebook those are the three that I wanted to target and but sadly with YouTube I have to wait 24 hours and since I started it today it it won't be available till at least at least tomorrow sometime.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:12

Well it'll be there to do that so it'll it'll be there it ain't gonna it won't it won't be dude it won't be no time and you'll have and I can a hundred interviews behind you and they'll all be up where people can go and look at them and then you you probably be surprised at uh how it's going to grow because I'll be like I'll talk about y'all or your podcast at my shows and everything. I'm gonna get everybody watching it and because uh I'm gonna send some people your way too I'm gonna send some definitely send some people your way I asked before I got in here I asked Mike if he was okay if he might be interested in doing an interview and he goes sure so it'd be cool if uh if him and Alicia would both come in and do one with you but uh because they both it's a it they're a couple and they both have separate bands and both of the bands are great.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:52

They're like super cool yeah just just send them my information tell them to reach out to me okay sure 100% yeah I and um if and if I tell you somebody else too give out numbers so you ain't got to worry about me giving your number to nobody because I'm not gonna give nobody your numbers and none of y'all's numbers unless unless somebody reaches out and I call you and say hey so and so would like to get in touch with you is it okay and if you don't you know and if you give me the go ahead that's one thing but until then it's like everybody's safe so you said you're gonna look up train foot and the mighty caboose too right so check that out yeah I wrote that train yeah train foot and the mighty caboose 40 rounds and then of course you said definitely check out Danny504 to for his uh oh yeah his videos yeah yeah he's just finding me that's great I'll definitely look him up at some point in time this week and or do you got I got a gigantic list of people that would that would be glad to do your podcast with you and everything and and they do events so it's just spreading you know well when I started the podcast like I'm doing I'm doing mine but I also am gonna collab uh tomorrow matter of fact I don't know if we're gonna do it on hers or mine but uh wolf from Wolffair Records she does podcasting so her and I collab together sometimes and we'll interview whoever she brand me she brings and she's got a pretty good list of people as well so hell yeah I think this is gonna work out really well well I drive so I'll be listening to you I'll be listening to probably every episode well hell yeah well I appreciate it and juice I really appreciate you coming on and uh I really did I appreciate having me I really appreciated Mark too I mean it's it was nice that you know Mark reached out to Pam and said hey I want to do Bonds's show and she told me she says I got a guy that wants to do your show and I go has he seen my show and she's like well yeah he wants to do it and I was like are you sure you're talking about the same person because my podcast is not that special now maybe one day it will be but and so I think so I think you're gonna grow faster than you think if you just keep going I think so too because like we've had uh we're down to seven people but we've had seven cons eight consistent people almost the entire time and I think I don't think that I've had eight consistently for almost well two and a half hours that's a long time for anybody to last so um I tip my hat to all those who did stay and um but uh but yeah yeah I maybe you know you and Pam and others are on to something maybe maybe this is a na uh my niche maybe I found my niche and uh if my niche is to bring people together and expose good upcoming talent to the world as well as occasionally dabbling in the whole special Olympics thing which I'll probably do that in the middle of the week sometime or something just throw do an out of the world podcast but on the same token too I I was like you know what if somebody's listening and they have a small business say it say in Louisville because that's where I'm at just say that. But they have a small business and they're like hey man can I come on your podcast and talk about my small business I want the mom and pop shops to come on here and talk about their shit you know because they got to compete with the fucking big conglomerates like fucking yes you know uh you know targets and your fucking uh whatever Sam Walton used to I don't go and they regulate them they regulate them out of out of existence because Target's got uh got its probably got its own target law firms and this this these small business people they have to jump through the same all the same hoops and and and buy the same licenses and get all and fulfill all the same government regulate regulations as Walmart and Target do but they're just a person and that's bullshit. Oh yeah I don't know that anything's ever gonna hell be done about that but no I don't I don't I I think you're right I don't think I don't think there is either and it's and what a shame because yeah there's a lot of really good mom and pop shops out there and it's like just it's just kind of like it's kind of like supporting America you know I like to buy American made stuff because I you know we should be proud of making stuff in hospital supporting your neighbors and support your neighbors absolutely it's it's all about camaraderie and about loving each other. And if we if we all just set down the hate wand for a while and said hey why don't we just fucking be nice to each other and love each other and take care of each other what a crazy concept that would be to make the world a better place.

SPEAKER_00 2:26:17

You know it's never been more true than there was uh some comedian I saw who said whatever anybody says about anybody always go to the source and that's never more true than it is nowadays especially about certain people in the public eye that are you know constantly being you know just go see if that's really what was said. But I would also but I would say especially with your neighbors with people you know in your neighborhood go for a conversation and just just feel the person out for yourself and get to know them and just have casual conversation. You don't have to be Nancy Drew you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes just get to know people and and learn how to have have um human conversations and relationships with people and you'd be I think you'd be surprised 90% of what is said about about other people by people is usually what we were talking about earlier. It's haters they they they don't want you to rise because it's just going to shine a light on them and they've been telling a bunch of lies so that's the last thing they need you know is an honest person. Nothing more dangerous in this world than an honest man. Fact.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:23

So and on that note I'm gonna go in here and eat man it's been great talking to you hell yeah brother shit yeah let's do a lot of things thanks for coming out thanks for thanks for taking time out of your day I'm really I'm really thanks for having honored to have you both and and you know there you have it guys I mean you got we got juice uh he again multiple bands so you can check out all of the different uh stuff he does um we didn't talk a whole lot well we did with with with mark but the uh the BZ town uh what did you call what was the last part beast town just beast town collective beast town collective yeah the the way mark and I talked about how you all do that and that's really a fun way of doing shit too because it's just a big melting pot of all these music uh I almost said magicians musicians that that that get together and collaborate on different and just put out different songs and play different music for people and it's just so fuck I mean it it's just awesome like I say there's there's so much good music out there there's check it out go and check him out check out mark check out all these people that we've talked about because you know like I say again I know I've said it before and I'm gonna say it again you you fucking reach out and you check out some of these people you might find that your favorite band you have not found yet and then if you just do a little look and it may be somebody that you know you thought your favorite band was going to be some Jason Al Dean that's super uh super popular. Well yeah he kicks ass ain't no doubt about it you can't take it away from but you know what there's also a lot of kick ass people that are not in that direct spotlight right down the road and they're right around your corner absolutely so you know what you know tons of good music check them out um I guess we'll sign off then we're gonna let this guy get something to eat because he you know he needs it and uh my my old ass is uh yeah it's it ain't too far from the boner's bedtime because I'm getting a little bit I get a little tired at 52. I I don't stay up too late I should stay up more I need to start working on that I guess oh man at least at least staying up a little bit get that sleep get that sleep get that sleep I fight with sleep my fought with it my whole life i if i could sleep like a regular sleeping schedule you don't know how much I would if I could oh it makes all the difference it's so hard it's I dude my brain is uh it's that's a whole other rabbit hole me too mine never wants to shut up but anyway yeah that's a that's a whole other topic we could get off down that rabbit hole next thing you know we're gonna be here and he ain't gonna eat next time that's right next time we got plenty of shit to talk about so um other than that I guess it's been two hours and thirty minutes is a hell of a good podcast thanks again to Juice for showing up coming out thanks for his wife for letting him uh take some of her time to uh be on this podcast with us today so thank her and uh we look forward to seeing all of you all in the next episode so juice it was a pleasure brother hell yeah brother be safe be good well there you have it ladies and gentlemen there was juice and that what a great show we today has been a great day for podcasting we had two awesome it's just awesome podcast shows thanks to everybody who's tuned in thanks to all of my peeps on the kick channel that um have reached out and said some comments I did I I up until today I didn't have anybody so the people that did drop in on kick um thank you I am new to your all's platform so you have to be a little bit uh patient with bones because uh me and technology tend to butt heads sometimes so um I was able to stream pretty good on this except for one platform and the other one I still have a 24 hour wait before they allow me for whatever reason. So the next time you see us we've we'll be trying to do this on Facebook, YouTube and of course kick because apparently kick is where it's at so I'm gonna have to try to learn kick so I can be part of the cool kids club. But uh thanks again for everybody who dropped in for today's episodes and I will see all of you all on the flip side so as for now this is Bones saying be good or be good at it one or the other and have a great evening and we'll see you all on this next episode and I'll be on one by the way also with Wolf tomorrow at 1015. It's tomorrow no Thursday at 1015 excuse me Thursday at 1015. So not sure who we're gonna be interviewing maybe tomorrow I'll know more maybe you'll find out but until then till we meet again peace this is Bones I'm out