Pace of Grace: Trading Burnout for God's Rhythm with Kristin Kurtz

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Are you running so hard for God that you've forgotten how to walk with Him?

Christian life coach and podcast host Kristin Kurtz knows that feeling intimately. For years she pushed full speed ahead — full-time corporate career, young children, a business, a marriage — until her body finally said no. Shingles. Grief. A father's last words: "Don't work so hard. You'll end up like me." And a still, small voice that stopped her on a walk around the lake: "Be still and know that I am God. And you're not."

In this conversation, Kristin shares the phrase that has become her anchor: the pace of grace. Not passive. Not giving up. But learning to match your stride to God's, release your grip on your own plans, and trust Him with what He builds on the other side.

This is a conversation for every driven woman who secretly wonders if the pace she's keeping is something God actually asked for.

In this episode you'll hear:

• Why high-achieving Christian women end up burned out — and what real recovery looks like
• What it means to "know when the grace has lifted" from something you've been pouring yourself into
• The difference between God's great plans and your good ones — and why you have to let go of yours to get His
• The Noah builders and Nehemiah builders: what it looks like to keep going when nothing makes sense and everyone thinks you're crazy
• How the "messy middle" becomes the "middle of a miracle"
• A simple, powerful way to know your no — and why NO is literally in the middle of KNOW
• What "scrubbing in and scrubbing out" looks like as a daily rhythm with God

About Kristin Kurtz: Kristin Kurtz is an author, life coach, and spiritual midwife, and the founder of New Wings Coaching and host of the Hope Unlocked podcast. She works with women leaders, entrepreneurs, and ministry builders at pivotal moments...helping them unlock identity, activate their voice, and make bold, faith-aligned decisions that accelerate clarity, confidence, and impact.

Connect with Kristin: Website: newwingscoaching.net Instagram: @renew.wings Podcast: Hope Unlocked — available on all platforms

Referenced in this episode:

• Psalm 46:10 — "Be still and know that I am God"
• Proverbs 3:5-6 — "Trust in the Lord with all your heart; lean not on your own understanding..."
• The story of Noah and the ark (Genesis 6–9)
• Nehemiah's builders — including Sanballat and Tobiah (Nehemiah 4)
• Abraham, Sarah, and the warning about birthing an Ishmael (Genesis 16)
• The Proverbs 31 woman (Proverbs 31:10-31)
• The Chosen, Season 1 — the miracle of the fish (behind-the-scenes on YouTube, search "Dallas Jenkins miracle of the fish")

TIMESTAMPS

• [00:00:00] Hook question and introduction
• [00:00:25] Welcome to The Grace Forge podcast
• [00:00:37] Karen welcomes Kristin Kurtz
• [00:00:53] "Pace of grace" — Kristin introduces her journey from racehorse mentality to learning to walk
• [00:02:03] Discernment: hearing God's voice about what to step into — and what to let go of
• [00:02:12] Radical acceptance: letting go of control and letting God take the reins
• [00:02:41] A father's last words: "Don't work so hard. You'll end up like me."
• [00:03:07] Shingles after grief — when the body reaches its breaking point
• [00:03:42] The still, small voice: "Be still and know that I am God. And you're not."
• [00:04:47] Staying fired up vs. burning out — Kristin's burning message about what dims our flame
• [00:06:18] The Proverbs 31 woman: multi-passionate, but called to her season
• [00:07:18] Karen's dad and brother are firefighters: a fire needs fuel to keep burning
• [00:07:49] Karen's own burnout story: adrenal fatigue and a year of rebuilding
• [00:09:55] Getting "benched" by the Holy Spirit — a fast walker learns to sit on the bench
• [00:10:46] Childlike wonder and childlike faith: what slowing down makes room for
• [00:11:27] Letting go of your own plans: Proverbs 3:5-6 and the difference between good and great
• [00:11:58] Leaving corporate accounting to follow God — riding bareback with no reins
• [00:13:43] The Noah builders and Nehemiah builders: keeping going when it looks crazy
• [00:16:01] Don't birth an Ishmael — the cost of going your own way
• [00:17:21] The Chosen and Peter's empty net: God is in the waiting as much as the miracle
• [00:18:26] Kristin's work: Christian life coaching since 2017, the Hope Unlocked podcast
• [00:19:22] Helping women find their voice — from choke hold to roar
• [00:20:02] Grief, family estrangement, addiction recovery at 25, and the grace of forgiveness
• [00:23:07] Leaving as the family breadwinner — stepping out like Abraham
• [00:25:39] Reframing the messy middle: "You're not stuck — you're in the middle of a miracle."
• [00:28:09] How to connect with Kristin: newwingscoaching.net, Hope Unlocked podcast
• [00:29:09] Final takeaway: pace of grace, know your no, and scrub in/scrub out
• [00:30:58] Karen's closing reflection: God has the grace we need for every season

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Have you ever found yourself exhausted, burned out, and wondering if the pace you're keeping is actually something God asked of you? What would it look like to slow down? Not as failure, but as faith. My guest today, Kristen Kurtz, encourages us to find the pace of grace in our own lives. Welcome to the Grace Forge podcast. I'm your host, Karen Ditman, and this is the place to be reminded that when life brings the impossible, God doesn't just show up, He forges exactly what you need to walk through it. Kristen, welcome to the Grace Forge Podcast. I'm happy to have you here. Yes, thank you, Karen, so much for having me on.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

I'm excited to chat.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Yeah. So why don't you just jump in and share with us your story of how you've seen God work in your life by his grace?

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Yeah. Well, before we even got started, I was just sharing this word of pace of grace. It's really a word that I feel like has encapsulated my journey, especially over the last nine years. I feel like part of my DNA is just to be like a racehorse. Uh yeah. Like generationally, like go, go, go, run, run, run. And it was like this season of going from like running hard to learning the pace of grace and taking a racehorse to learning how to walk. And it it's it's been a journey. And like I said, it's it's been years, and I'm still learning this pace of grace. But I do feel like we're in a season that kind of requires learning the pace of grace because everything in our world is so fast.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

Right. And there's so many places we can go and people we can see and things we can do, and so many invitations, and just being like really discerning to hearing his voice, first of all, like, what are you calling me into in this season? And maybe what do I need to let go of? Like, there's grace on that, even and knowing when the grace has lifted. Yeah. I don't know if you've experienced that before, but knowing that grace lifting.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah, yeah. And you know, I talk a lot about what I like to call radical acceptance, that sense of letting go of the things that I never had any control over. Um, so and we strive to control, but it's when we let go and just let God take the reins, using that racehorse and analogy. But yeah, let God run the show. And yeah, and that makes all the difference in the world.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Yeah, and you know, just kind of you know, going back to kind of the story that started me learning that was actually my dad passed away nine years ago in twenty seven. And one of the last things he said to me was, Don't work so hard, you'll end up like me. Like he literally worked himself to death. And it it just like something came over me, partly because I had I got shingles shortly after that, because I was working full-time, have a business, young children, husband, trying to keep up with all of the things because that's what we are called to do, right? Yes. And it was like the first time, shortly after, you know, I had shingles, and then I was led to just sit because I was in so much pain. I couldn't run around because I was in so much pain. And that still small voice, the first time, like even though I'd been a believer for a long time, it was like the first time I heard that still small voice, and it was be still and know that I'm God and you're not. Yeah. And I'm like, Are you talking to me? I mean, seriously, I was like, Me, like, oh my, and it just like hit me like a two by four because I did. I that control thing, it was like trying to control everything, trying to, you know, make things happen, and it was just such a surrender journey, and it was very challenging, let me just say.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Yeah, yes, yeah. And you know, you talk about this, and we live in a culture that tells us as women and as moms, especially as Christian moms, you can do it all. Oh you know, you can do it all by the power of the Holy Spirit in you, you can do it all, but we're not doing much of it by the power of the Holy Spirit. We're just going, yeah, okay, I can do it all.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Yeah, and that's where you burn out. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And that's like, it's actually something that the Lord, I haven't shared this yet. I was actually gonna do like either a post or like a reel or something about it, but I guess I'll share it here today. I don't know if that's okay. Thank you. I just keep getting it's like a burning message in me that we're called to like stay fired up, but there's too many things that are burning us out, whether it's taking on too much, whether it's listening to people that maybe don't understand your journey and you're called to maybe let's just say start a podcast like Karen's done. And people around you are like, Well, who do you think you are to do that? Right. And really staying in alignment with the Lord and what he's called you to do, right? Because that will keep the fire going, even if you feel like you're just this little little flicker of a flame, because we're gonna have days like that.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

But there's so many different things that I love, and I love firefighters, so I I'm I'm totally honor like all of our first responders, but there can be like firefighters that come and try to literally douse your flame. And whether that's like self-imposed, other people imposed, the enemy tries to to keep us like our our flame, you know, keeps keep us dim, of course, right? We're called to be a light in this world. Um, but I think the main thing that just that I'm I'm just feeling and seeing and just having to be very like diligent to stay again back to that pace of grace is what is for me in this season, right? Because I I feel like a lot of us are, you know, Proverbs 31 women, right? Right. She she was multi-passionate and the Lord gave her the grace for that. Um, I used to not like the Proverbs 31 woman. I was like, who does she think she is? Like, I can't keep up with her. Um but he, you know, the Lord obviously calls us all to different places, spaces, people in different seasons. So really knowing what am I called to, you know, stay on this path with. And maybe there's things that are kind of dimming the flame that no longer there's again kind of back to that grace has lifted space of like, is this for me anymore? Or am I just staying here for people pleasing? Yeah. Maybe you're in a job that you aren't really called to anymore, and maybe you're just doing it for the money. Like, what is it for you? You know?

SPEAKER_01 7:11

Yeah, yeah. Um, you don't even know this, but my dad and my brother are both retired firefighters. Um, of course. So I've grown up knowing a lot about fire and how it works. And you know, as you were talking, I was thinking about a fire needs fuel, but when the fuel's all burned up, the fire goes out.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how many people are are burning out? I mean, do you know a lot of people that you've talked to in your years that just burn out because of something?

SPEAKER_01 7:42

I mean, I'm one. I was a year ago in a doctor's office. Like, I can't keep going at the pace that I'm going. And and you know, the adrenal fatigue, all of that, that literal physical burnout, my body was done and have spent a year shifting habits, changing my priorities, taking some supplements, yeah. Um, but getting, you know, making my my heart and my health my focus instead of just burning it all up.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Right, right. Because we need to we need to keep going. Like the Lord needs us here and able-bodied, you know, our mind, you know, clear. Not that, you know, I'm in the perimenopause phase, so we have some little foggy moments. Right. But to be able to really just stay fired up. And I I think that like for you, you walk through the journey of different ways that you're coming back to life, right? Your flame is coming back and burning better, and then we get to like share these things that we walk through with others to help them to not burn out, right? We get to kind of go before people, even though it's really hard sometimes. Yes, it is. Learning surrender, learning rest. I think that was probably one of the hardest things was really learning how to rest. And I still I still am challenged with it at times. Um, sitting still for me is like I I love it now, but it's it's still it's and it's still, you know, pun intended. There's still a process to it. I think when you've done something for so many years, there's a process to kind of unwinding from that journey.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

Well, and thinking back to what you said about when you got shingles after your dad died, you know, one, there's that stress in your body that, you know, it just said, I'm just shutting down the immune system for a little bit. But also, it was like God said, You need to rest, you need to just sit. That's not easy.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

No, no, not at all. I'd be out, it was really interesting because I just love going for walks. Uh, and even at that time, I would just walk really fast, even before that. I was just always on it, you know, like doing this for a workout, right? Gonna burn calories. And I'd be walking around a lake, you know, nearby where I lived. And it was almost like I felt like the Holy Spirit was like, go sit on the bench, you're getting benched.

unknown 10:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

You know, like on a baseball team, it's like, you're you're getting benched, like sit down. And I'll never forget it. It really became this journey of him kind of bringing me back to like this childlike wonder and childlike faith because I was still enough to recognize like the things that he wanted to show me, like in nature, or you know, slowing down to talk to people or slowing down to just have a conversation, right? Yeah. Rather than just being on the go. It's kind of like that that phrase, like, you know, stop to smell the roses. Like that was my journey.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're talking, you've been talking about the pace of grace that you're still learning, and that's one of the things that I love. We never really arrive as long as we're here. Yeah, we're still always learning. But what does that look like? Maybe what are some of the things that you feel like you've had to let go of?

SPEAKER_00 11:27

Well, I think just my own plans, honestly. That that's a big part of it. You know, Proverbs 3, 5 through 6 is like I we can make our plans, but the Lord Lord determines our steps. Yeah. And for me, I just had this idea of what everything should look like. Yeah. And it really doesn't ever look like what I think it should look like. I came from, I left corporate space about five, four almost five years ago, and I did accounting. So everything was just very analytical, black and white. But I'm also very free-spirited. So, you know, letting go of my plans to come in alignment with his great plans rather than my good plans. Like the great is better than the good. Yeah. So that was a big, a big, big one. And just letting him like again take the reins. And almost like riding bareback, it's a kind, it feels like this, like riding bareback with no reins. It it's an adventure. It is. And it has literally been, it's been challenging. I've had a lot of ups and a lot of downs, you know, in letting go and literally following him into his great plans. That if I'm being honest, which I like to do, it doesn't always make sense on paper. Right. Really ever. Right. If you look in the Bible, it's like, yeah, that thank you for for bringing these these people to the Bible so we could you have them as examples because it continues me on this path of going, hmm, this doesn't make sense, like on paper. Right. Right. Right? Yeah. So that's I would say that's a big piece, a big part of my my like just really letting go. And I know it's it's very cliche, but let go and let God. Yeah. And again, there's a I'm still learning. Because I'm like, really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:32

Yeah. I'm wondering if there is a particular story and or person in the Bible that actually embodies that for you that you really relate to.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

It's just Oh yes. I'll I'll just say I call him I call I kind of call myself and others like the Noah builders. Okay. So Noah was called to build the ark, right? Right. And he had a vision and he was he was told that there would be rain. And I have this, I don't know, I just kind of think in pictures all the time. Okay. And I had this thought one time when I was reading, and I had this thought that Noah was sitting down with his wife, and she was just like, What are you thinking? Like there's there's been no rain. It's been 40 years, and you're still building this thing that is massive and it doesn't make sense. And yet he just continues on. I feel like that's really a lot of you know, same with like Nehemiah. Nehemiah was called to build, it's kind of like the builders, where Nehemiah was called to build for him, it was more of an accelerated process rather than 120 years. But even still, like there was the three guys that were coming up to him. I can't remember their name. Sanbalat and Tobias. Oh yeah, Tobias. Yeah. The three. What are you doing? You need to stop the work. And he's like, I am doing a good work and I'm not coming down. So it's these ones that are continuing on the journey, despite like it looks crazy. And people are like, What are you doing? Yeah. That's what that's really like my heart because I'm constantly speaking over myself, like keep going, keep going, keep going. And that like to others as well. That's just my heart. Like, keep going. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

And you know, we look at those stories, like especially Noah, and we go, Well, God told him to build the ark, he built the ark, then the flood came. Right. We don't think about that 120 years in between when I'm sure he second guessed. Did I really did I really hear this from God?

SPEAKER_00 15:39

Right, I know. And you know, same with like Abraham and Sarah. You know, she just she just laughed because she's like, Yeah, right. Yeah, you know, and yet the the faith that that comes with that, and then also like in their story, even like don't birth an Ishmael, like that, that really like keeps me like I I don't want to go a different way from what the Lord is calling me to because we're still seeing the repercussions of the choice, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

Way back then, yeah, yeah, thousands of years ago, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

I could go on. I just love like all of them.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

They're like they're my people. Yeah, well, just imagine one day you get to talk to them face to face.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Like, we just talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I love. I don't know if you like the chosen. Uh I I do. I haven't watched in a long time, but yeah. I just love I'm I'm such a visual person. So when I'm reading the Bible, I'm I'm actually kind of like, it's almost like my mind is creating movies, and then now that it's been brought to you know the screen, it's like oh my gosh. Yeah. It just it just really like solidifies things and helps, you know, just being more of an audio and you know, right, written not just written learner, but just the audio, the visual just really helps solidify things for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

There's one of those early episodes of The Chosen when Peter was out fishing and he's not catching anything all night, and then Jesus goes, you know, throw your net on the other side. And as I watched that, it was like it just hit me. There was as much of God in there being no fish to catch all night as there was God in the miracle of all of the fish at once.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

And and I think that there are times when God does want us to slow down so we can be looking for him.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

Yeah, absolutely. You know, there's there's something I just I um let's see, what's his name that started the the show? Dallas Jenkins. Dallas Jenkins, yes. If you go way, way back and you look um on YouTube, the miracle of the miracle of the fish. Like the behind the scenes of that scene. Okay, it's so good. I'll have to look for that. Like they experienced a miracle just even in creating the miracle of that scene. Cool. That's very cool. Yeah, I'll have to look at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Yeah. So so you shifted out of your corporate career, and now tell us what you're doing now.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Yeah. Well, I always say it's like a wild adventure. Um I've I've actually been like a Christian life coach since 2017. I actually graduated a year or not a year, a week before my dad passed away. Wow. So it I almost kind of got ejected out of stepping into it, partly because I was just kind of like in shock, right? Um, but I've been doing that, and then I left, you know, I left corporate in November of 2021. So I have been doing this more on a full-time basis, and I have a podcast called Hope Unlocked, which we both love talking. I and I love talking to people. I just love like extracting stories from people and ultimately just seeing people walk in the fullness of who God created them to be and to walk out their calling and and really use their voices because I, you know, I have a story of my own of my voice being I I felt like I had a chokehold on my voice for many years. So it's it's really my heart to see I work only with women, but to see their voices like roar.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

Yeah, that is beautiful. That is beautiful, yeah. Yeah, but I I I want to um I I don't want to just rush over this, you know, the fact that your father died nine years ago. Yeah. Um, because I I am imagining I, you know, my mom had passed away 16 years ago, and there's still moments, yeah. The grief is not with me all the time, but there are still those moments. And so just want to acknowledge that it's not the same, is it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

And I don't know if you were close with your family, but I actually really wasn't. Uh I was estranged from my family for a long time. And part of my story is I got saved from addiction when I was 25. And I think probably in one of the first or maybe second or third services that I went to, I remember hearing the verse, you know, forgive lest you be forgiven. And I remember saying to my sister, like, I need to forgive mom and dad. And even though it wasn't like a perfect relationship, I just knew like God got a heart hold of my heart in a just supernatural way that only he could do was like a a Saul Depal conversion, is what I like to say. But thankfully I didn't kill anybody. Yeah. Right. But it was, it was, it was challenging. I I'm not gonna lie. But you know, it I'm thankful that we, you know, reconnected and was able to learn more about him and his history because you know, if you look at family history, a lot of times things carry forward. So and as parents, and now that you know, I have 17 and a 20-year-old, I'm not a perfect parent by any means. And I could then look back and now that I am a parent, go you you do what you a lot of times you do what you were raised raised in. That's true. Or you say, I'm not doing what I was raised in, which is what I chose.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you for sharing about that. Uh you know, what I'm hearing is that there was a lot of grief in your life even before your father passed.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

And that could be another whole conversation another time.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Yeah, yeah. And that's a hard, that's a really challenging space, especially when you grow up like really trying to control the feelings so that you can just Keep going.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

Yeah. Yeah. Right. And at the same time, I know that our grief and our pains lead us to this place of compassion for others. And I'm sure that underlies you being able to help other women push forward. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

Yeah. I mean, I I a lot of times I just I'm such a like I'm a feeler too. So I I just an empath. So I guess I can kind of pick up on people's feelings, partly because of my journey and what I've walked through. And just really wanting to see women just thrive. Yeah. And not give up. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

It's easy to give up. It is. It is. It's very easy to give up.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

It really is.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

But then it's hard, you know?

SPEAKER_00 22:45

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

It's easy to give up and then it makes it harder. And then you've got to climb out of that pit.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

That and I mean, I don't know about you, but I want to look back, you know, over my life and just know that I said yes to what he called me to, even though it was hard. Like there's been some really, really hard, hard moments since I left corporate, you know, leaving a a job as kind of the breadwinner of the family and stepping out like Abraham when God said go. It's like, okay, where how's this gonna work? Yes. On paper, you know, accounting doesn't make sense, but um, it just really builds your faith as you keep going, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:26

It does, it does. And you know, another cliche is you choose your hard, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:31

Right, absolutely. Yeah, it'd be nice if there was like, you know, remember the easy button commercial? Oh yeah. Some of those moments it's like, is there an easy button somewhere? But I don't like I I look back over my life and I don't know, I feel like some some of us, and and I I don't know how to say this, but I feel like some of us have just had more challenging journeys. And I I I've just looked back and I'm like, I don't think I was called the easy because nothing that I've ever stepped into or you know, followed the Lord in has been easy. It's been a journey and it's been like kind of trailblazing, like you're kind of going through like this weedy, like bristly pathway that you kind of have to like hacksaw your way through.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Does that make sense? Yes, that totally makes sense. And it's like, but somebody has to go first.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Yes, yes. So and I love that now you're clearing that path and you're leading other women right behind you to to experience that freedom too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so fun. God's fun. God is fun, you know. Just because it's not easy doesn't mean it's not cool. No, I know.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

He's he's so like he's so good. And I it again sounds cliche, but I think during these really challenging moments, um it's fun because the Lord calls me a woman of wonder now. So the acronym WOW, I say wow all the time, especially since I kind of got it in my in my heart now to just see him in the details, even when it's when it's hard. I used to call a lot of what I've walked through like the messy middle, and even when I'm in the middle of kind of that, wait, there's you know, there's this promise, but it just looks like the opposite of it. Yeah. Um, I used to call that the messy middle, and I feel like this will be probably a title of a book I write someday, but it's he's like, no, like flip the script from the messy middle to middle of a miracle. So you're like, you haven't hit the miracle point yet, right? But you're you're in the middle, right? Kind of like the Israelites in the wilderness. They had a choice. They had that choice, and they most of them didn't delete this land. So I've I've actually experienced a very recent, like we just moved and the Lord just completely it's a miracle, the house that he brought us to, and on paper doesn't make any sense. Right. But I that was when he showed me it's the middle middle of a miracle.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Yeah, oh that's beautiful. Yeah, because when you're on that in that space of waiting, yeah, just like okay, I'm trusting you, but this is still really hard. Yeah, yeah. Middle of a miracle. That's a great way to put it. Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Thank you, Holy Spirit. I really I'll take that.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Yeah, yeah. Isn't it cool how he gives us those phrases sometimes? Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

Well, and you as a as a writer, author, I'm sure, like do you get a I'm just curious for you too. Do you get a lot of just kind of these word drops and you're like, wow?

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Yeah, sometimes it's word drops and sometimes it's just insight into something that needs to be in the story that I didn't even know needed to be there. You know, I'm with writers, they talk about being either a planner or a pantser, like you're either planning everything or you're riding by the seat of your pants. And I'm like a planner of the story, but then I will often just pants scenes. Like I just it's like I walk into a room and I'm seeing the people and what are they doing and what's going on? And so there are there are just random things that God will drop into my stories that I'll be writing another scene, you know, three days later, go, oh, that's why that just had to happen.

SPEAKER_00 27:44

Oh that's really cool. So you're like a plancer.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

Yes, I'm a plancer.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Like I'm a wogger, like I like to walk and jog. So yeah, yeah, you wog. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

Amazing. Yeah. So in a minute, I'm gonna invite you to share a takeaway for our listeners. But first, how can people get a hold of you and you know, follow behind you as you help clear the path for them?

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Oh, I love that. Yeah, so it's um new spelled out N-E-W Wings, W-I-N-G-S coaching, spelled out c o a c i n g dot net. And that's specific to cast the net to the other side. Uh the net. Um, and you can find me on Instagram, renew.wings. Okay. So renew wings if you cast the. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Um, and on Facebook and all the places. The podcast is called Hope Unlocked, and it's all the places as well. So probably have Karen on someday too.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

That would be awesome. I would love that.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

Yeah, when I'm slowing down just a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

In the pace of grace.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

Yes, in the pace of grace. It's just those things where we have to kind of accept what does God have for me right now, exactly, and what needs to wait and be okay with that weight.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Yes, the weight training.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

Yes, the weight training. Yeah. So, what would be one thing you would love for our listeners to take away after hearing this conversation?

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Yeah, I think like just that that those three words, pace of grace. So POG, a pog. I've never seen it like that we before. But just to remember, like, I live in Minnesota and we have four seasons, and one of them is way too extreme for me, which is winter. Yeah. Um, but if you look at, you know, each season, like take take the seasons of your life and look at like, what am I called to in this season? What am I needing to get rid of in this season? Like, what are the open doors? What are the closed doors? So just kind of taking account of your life. And is there too much on my plate? Is there too much that I'm saying yes to? And the other phrase that I really love to hang on to is know your no, because N-O is in the middle of K N O W.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

So, really to know your no, I think that's really important in this season. Just there is so much going on. Like you're if you're on social media, there's just a lot of you know, things that you're gonna hear, and you just be still, be just get with the Lord, take a lot of time in the morning, take time at night to like scrub in and scrub out. Oh, yeah, that's great. Yeah, I can keep going, but those are like the main those are the main things that I just feel like are on my heart for somebody today.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

Well, and I think for so many women who are we're driven for lack of a better way to put it, we want to say yes to all the things. But when we start saying no to some things, then we've got space to really go all in on those heck yes.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Yeah, yeah, the heck yes. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

Yeah, yeah. All right. Thank you so much for your time today, Kristen. I'm just gonna as Kristen was talking about the seasons in Minnesota. I was thinking about how we need different things for different seasons. I've never been one to pack away my seasonal clothes because where I live, any season can show up at any time of the year. But in a place like Minnesota, you don't need your shorts and your tank tops in the winter, and you can put away your heavy parkas in summer, right? In the same way. During different seasons of our lives, we need different things. During some seasons, we need to rest. And we need to work hard during others. But in all seasons, we need to listen to God's voice and trust that whether we're in a season of rest or in a season of work, He has exactly the grace we need for the miracles that He's working. So that's all I've got for you today. Until next time, whatever you're walking through, remember this. The grace you need is already being forged.