56. Wine & Spirits: Shadow Spiders

In this episode, we're crawling into the void with a listener-submitted story that gave us full-body chills: shadow spiders. Yes, you read that right—spidery forms made of darkness, darting along walls and ceilings, skittering just out of reach of the light. We share the tale, then spin our own web of theories as we unravel the possible meanings behind these eerie entities. Are they spirit? Thoughtform? Interdimensional bleed-through? Grab your cleansing spray (and maybe a fly swatter) as we descend into the tangled threads of this strange and sinister phenomenon.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:02

Welcome to the Real Ghosts of Podcast, where we explore haunted locations in and around Austin, Texas. We're your hosts Nicole Ricardo and Damien Shilacy.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

Listen along as we couple in-depth historical research and paranormal investigative techniques with a sixth sense of the unknown.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

What a great way to start a podcast episode. Most people are like, well, hello and welcome to the show. Not us.

SPEAKER_05 0:41

Oh, hello. Welcome in. Another wine and spirits. We do not have wine. Um, I mean, there is wine on the table, but we are not drinking the wine because it is what I was about to say morning, but it's not the morning.

SPEAKER_03 0:56

No, it's the afternoon. Um we are still in PJs.

SPEAKER_05 0:59

Well, we're both, yeah. We're still in PJs. But anywho, uh, so we did get some feedback from people about enjoying the listener stories. Specifically, they loved your voice and thought you were very good at reading the stories. Um finally a hit. Yes. Uh unfortunately they didn't leave you any reviews that say that. Oh, that's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:23

So I love that for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:24

Um, just DMs and emails. Yeah. But I do very much appreciate those and getting the feedback. So I dug back into the archives, and I think I've mentioned this before, but I do have quite a little stockpile of stories that I actually have recorded um back from like when I very first started this, you know? And we had a recent interview over on Parapeculiar that reminded me of a specific one that I have that I wanted to go back and find.

SPEAKER_03 2:02

So real quick though, um, can we just address the fact that as we were getting ready, we literally got an email or something from a listener who told us that they were listening back to uh the down the rabbit hole octagon hall and they were like, hey bro, I was catching up on this, whatever, and they heard the whistle, didn't they?

SPEAKER_05 2:23

The whistle they heard the fucking whistle, they sure did.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

Um go back and listen to that listener, it's on that episode.

SPEAKER_05 2:30

I believe the time stamp was 13 minutes 35 seconds in, right after you say episode, and then you hear it. I also I literally just posted it on our Instagram too. I did a little um screen record of it playing and a screenshot of the email so that way y'all can see it as well. But it's interesting too because um yeah, we definitely didn't catch it or hear it in the moment.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

It's very faint, but you do hear it, and it's actually, I was um when you pulled up the clip to listen to it after we got the email, I was all the way across the room there in the kitchen, and I heard it. Um it's really wild because it's two beats. Two tones.

SPEAKER_05 3:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

And it's almost like, look at me, but it's funny to me because I imagine there's plenty of times when we do these episodes, you and I will hear something and then we know it's there, but we get this all the time. Listeners will point out in our episodes where we don't hear something, and it's like our both of our podcasts are just full of E VPs and disembodied sounds.

SPEAKER_05 3:31

Well, I mean, they are. They literally, in one of those episodes, we started an episode by me splicing out clips from the end of the episode prior. We were getting like the the noises and stuff in the middle of us recording. But anyway, yes, all of that to say, if you catch things in our episodes, uh please send me an email, a DM, whatever's easiest for you, and let us know because I've said it before, and I'll say it again to be honest. I don't like listening to my own voice. I do not go back and listen to these episodes. Like, sure, I'll go back and um you know edit some things as needed, but I try to make that as needed uh not needed as much as possible.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Well, I'm just gonna say that how interesting it is that uh this morning we were actually talking because last night we had our friend over uh from EVP, Ryan.

SPEAKER_05 4:24

And EVP paranormal, everything baby paranormal.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

He must have heard the whistle three times in house last night. Um and we were talking about it.

SPEAKER_05 4:33

We heard some like knocks and taps and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 4:36

And I think that cabinet opened the Oh yeah, the fucking drawer opened.

SPEAKER_05 4:40

We we heard it like kind of squeak open, and he's like, uh, did you leave that cab or that drawer open? We're like, no, definitely not, but that's for sure happens here.

SPEAKER_03 4:49

That's the same drawer that uh has opened pretty a few different times. Um it's just funny though, because we were talking about how he'd heard the whistle, and then you're like, Oh yeah, look, I got this email from a listener about the whistle. So go back and listen to that. It's really interesting. It's one of those times where you're not gonna hear us react to the sound because in the moment we didn't hear it, but it's there and it's and it's something that is very familiar to us. So go listen to it.

SPEAKER_05 5:12

An EVP whistle. Uh so yeah, shout out to Amber for sending that in. That's cool as fuck.

SPEAKER_03 5:19

Thanks, Amber.

SPEAKER_05 5:20

Thanks for doing that.

SPEAKER_03 5:21

Yeah. What's wild to me is how they even heard it because it's very faint. You have to really be listening.

SPEAKER_05 5:26

So Amber's got those good EVP ears. Amber, let me know if you want to review audio. Investigation audio.

SPEAKER_03 5:34

Put you to work, Amber. All right. So all that to say, there's a whistle in that episode. Go listen to it now. I'm pretty cool.

SPEAKER_05 5:39

Yes. Um, okay, so yeah, this episode, so we are going to be playing a listener story. This is it's a recorded phone call from many moons ago. But uh the reason that this I even remembered this is because recently over on PeriPeculiar, our other podcast, and by the time y'all are hearing this episode, um, this Pear Peculiar episode should be up.

SPEAKER_03 6:06

Yeah, it goes up this two week.

SPEAKER_05 6:08

We had done an interview with Heidi Hollis. Um, very sweet, very kind, but her whole shtick is Shadow People and Hat Man, which are it's like her thing. She literally trademarked both of those terms. She has books about them.

SPEAKER_03 6:27

And it is worth noting for people listening, if they just gave like a like a huh, like phase, like she's actually trademarked that? Well, she's been talking about that specific phenomenon since 1997.

SPEAKER_05 6:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

She wrote a book in 1997, didn't get published, I think, till 2000.

SPEAKER_05 6:41

Yeah, a few years later.

SPEAKER_03 6:42

But this is a very long time to been talking about a phenomenon that was not being talked about back then.

SPEAKER_05 6:47

Yeah, and I think um, from what I understand, because I am in the middle of binging her podcast right now, she has it it's not still active, but she was doing a podcast for Coast to Coast, which is super cool. I mean, you know, if you're into the paranormal, you know it. It's iconic, right?

SPEAKER_03 7:02

She's hanging out with George and Ori. We're hanging out with each other.

SPEAKER_05 7:05

But it sounds like, you know, of course, things like this, like shadow things, shadow beings, whatever. I I mean it it's pretty ubiquitous, just like angels and demons and ghosts and spirit, whatever else, right? But nobody up until her, again, from what I understand, had specifically given them like their own names or their own terms, right? And referring to it as shadow people.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

Um I think Hat Man was actually her. I mean, I look, I could be wildly wrong here, but from what I understand, the word hat man was her way of describing this thing, and like she was the first to say it's a specific shadow being that looks like it's wearing the top hat, which through the years call back to the first very first RGO episode series. Because now through the years up into modern times or whatever, uh I say modern times because like 97 is so long ago at this point, but uh it's something that people all around see and experience.

SPEAKER_05 7:58

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

Um can I say not to derail us, but that episode, that conversation uh rather affected you a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 8:06

Well, yeah, because she was saying some shit that I'm like, bruv, I've been seeing this shit my entire fucking life, you know? And then she's talking about it and she's like, you know, ooh, when I hear stuff like that, I immediately want to get to know this person more. Like, you must have there's something very special about you. If they're they're trying this hard to, you know, and I'm like, God damn it. Anyway, it was a really fucking good episode, and I'm gonna out myself too literally immediately after we recorded it. I because we record through StreamYard, I sent the fucking link to Rachel and Marcella, the wives, because I'm like, dude, y'all have to fucking listen to this. Like, this was crazy. Um, but anyway, so yeah, Heidi, go definitely go check out that episode over on Parapeculiar Heidi Hollis. Um, she's wonderful, very kind person. But anyway, so obviously on those episodes were or those episodes, it was one. It was one episode singular. On the episode I think you're having an episode. I'm always having a fucking episode. My I'm unmedicated ADD. My brain is chaos. My words liter my thoughts sound like it's on fast forward 10x.

SPEAKER_03 9:17

That's why I spine how yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:21

Uh yes.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

Fine pair of individuals.

SPEAKER_05 9:24

We're fucking raw dogging life over here, okay? We are doing our fucking best.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

Well, if they saw the way we look right now, we are raw dogging it.

SPEAKER_05 9:32

We yes, we're very disheveled. Oh, yeah. Um, my hair is in the same bun that it has been in since yesterday. Yeah, my head.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

These strains of hair are just thrown about like dark brown from Back to the Future.

SPEAKER_05 9:42

Oh, I couldn't even see them.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

Yeah, correct. You bitch. You fucking bitch. All right, getting to the fucking rest of the story.

SPEAKER_05 9:50

Um, so yeah, it's consider them like ghosts. After something that she mentioned when we were doing that interview, she said uh shadow spiders. And she was talking about how sometimes it looks like little, I don't know, like drippy, like kind of tentacle-y things, which we've seen and experienced.

SPEAKER_03 10:09

We have seen that and experienced, and I do want to just I want to talk on that really quick because that was one of the most I've had a few uh shadow thing experiences, shadow thing, um, that were inherently not great. They typically aren't, to be honest with you. I think the only time that I saw a shadow thing that I felt okay was literally at Waverly.

SPEAKER_05 10:30

Waverly.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

And which also I'm she gets on that, I know it's it's wild.

SPEAKER_05 10:36

Well, and also just to interrupt, I'm sorry, but uh we did talk more in depth about that last night with Ryan, which will be another pear peculiar episode um in that interview, because she does say essentially that all shadow things are evil, bad, demonic, whatever. Um, and we kind of talked that out with Ryan because Ryan, EVP Paranormal, they're the ones who had the same exact experience at Waverly, same exact fucking spot, right outside of the OR and the hallway right outside of it, of the this thing waving at them as well. So we did talk about that a bit with him. So another shout out, go listen to that interview as well.

SPEAKER_03 11:11

When it's up. Um it's the furthest thing from an interview ever. Uh drinking wine.

SPEAKER_05 11:15

It's a no, it's yeah, it's we're eating chocolate cake.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

But, anyways, the things that you just mentioned where we saw uh what she's referring to is like these spider things that sometimes look like tentacles, um, which I was saying looked like almost like tar dripping, right? And that was happening in our in our room. And I know I've talked about this, but I can't get over this. I'll never forget this. I'm laying in bed. I look over and I see it, and it's just happening. It's like dripping down, it looks really weird, like tentacles coming down from the top of the uh door. It was things. It was pretty gross. Yeah, so I look, I kind of like I go, Nicole. She's like, What? I'm like, look. You look your head over and you pause and you just go, Oh. Like and it would but it felt inherently not positive too.

SPEAKER_05 12:05

Yes, and that was also the same night that then right next to the door we saw the shadow person. Which is what I I believe Heidi refers to as head and shoulder man because it he Not to be confused with heads. He doesn't he doesn't look like he has a neck. It's basically like a head that's kind of attached to very broad shoulders, but very tall.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

Like uh like a Zach Begins. Big shoulders.

SPEAKER_05 12:29

Uh very beefy, um, thick with three C's, but uh very tall. It was I don't know, like basically the ceiling height, but we were very short, so this was very Soon weird shadow shit. But when she was she's talking about this, the shadow spiders, you know, and she described you can kind of see them a few different ways. But a little bell went off in my head, and I was like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 12:53

I'm sorry, can you say that one more time?

SPEAKER_05 12:55

You can reply.

SPEAKER_02 12:57

A little bell went off in my head.

SPEAKER_05 12:59

Oh, and it is hot in here, bell went off in my head, and it reminded me of when I very first started the podcast, and those who have been listening since the beginning, you know, basically I started this from posting on the fucking next door app and hundreds of comments and people reaching out, and they had stories, and they had, you know, oh, you gotta check this place out and that place and whatever. Like amazing, like so fucking amazingly helpful. But one of the the people who I spoke to who I recorded a story with had an experience with these spider things. Um, and she even says, you know, you'll hear in the story how she had been trying to research this. And this is, I think we recorded this back in 2020, maybe like the end of 2020. Um, and even at that point, she said that she had been trying to do research and trying to look these things up, trying to find other people who had had maybe something similar, and she really couldn't find anything. And so that was one of the things. Um, hopefully, maybe she's still listening, and I'm so sorry, I'm just airing it now. And I even on the at the end of the phone call, I had said, you know, hey, like if anybody reaches out and has had similar experiences, I'll send it your way so that way, you know, you can at least feel validated and like, okay, I'm not the only one experiencing something like this, right?

SPEAKER_03 14:19

So anyway, it's wait, is this story that we're about to listen to uh uh talk about these spindly shadows? Really? Spider. Okay, so I've not heard the story yet. We're gonna actually listen to it my first time. Yes, and this will be my first time listening to it since go ahead and say, like, you know, anyone that does listen, uh, if you have had experiences, uh especially if if you've had experiences regarding these shadow people, because now that we've had that conversation with Heidi, we're doing this uh episode, it feels to me very much like I want to hear more and talk to more people about their experiences, which is why we had Ryan over last night and talked about that. Shadow being shadows. Send it over, uh send it over. Even if your experiences don't have anything to do with shadow people, we we want to read your experiences on these listener story tales.

SPEAKER_05 15:02

Yes, we do. So you can either um you can email it. The email is in the show notes, it's just the real go sub at gmail.com, or you can go onto our website. We have a submit your story thing. If you would rather send a recording of it, um, so we play it and it's your voice, like you're about to hear, uh, just let me know. Or we're happy to just read your story. You can say your name, you can be anonymous, whatever you feel comfortable with. But anyway, let us know. But uh back to what I was saying with shout out to Paige, she's the one who tells this story. Um, I'm so sorry I have lost your contact information. So if you are still listening and hear this, uh please feel free to send me an email as well. And if anybody reaches out after we air this that has similar stories or things, um, I'm happy to send them along to you.

SPEAKER_03 15:46

Question before you would talk to her, and I know this was a while ago because you actually talked about it with Taylor on uh like I think the first or third episode ever of Parapeculiar when y'all came over. Um, had you heard about uh Hat Man before this uh that time? No.

SPEAKER_05 16:02

No, the very first time that I had ever heard about Hat Man was on the next door post. And everybody, so the very first investigation series of RGO was um in Blockhouse Creek, my prior neighborhood. And it was just person after person after person after person, and even people who had lived in that area previously, it's up in Leander, Texas, um, saying, you know, oh, I live there and I would see this hat man, this hat man, everybody, you know, it was very uh just kind of in the neighborhood. Granted, we we believe we found who it may have been versus it being hat man, like the hat man that Heidi Hollis is referring to, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 16:45

Well, we're not gonna go down too much on on what who I that is, uh, but we should actually uh do a down the rabbit hole episode of this specifically regarding these shadow things. We've experienced them, you've experienced them your whole life.

SPEAKER_05 16:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:59

Uh we've experienced them together in groups, and now we're hearing this listener tale. We should do one.

unknown 17:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:04

Let us know if you want to hear it.

SPEAKER_05 17:05

Let's do it. We'll have some.

SPEAKER_03 17:07

Or if you just want us to cancel all this and not do any of it, just let us know that too.

SPEAKER_05 17:10

Well, I mean, that'd be mean. But yeah. Anyway, uh, okay, so you want to listen, you want to listen to the story, bruv?

SPEAKER_03 17:19

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_05 17:19

Okay, and grab your, you know, potion of choice, whether it's like tea or wine or coffee or whatever, get cozy because it's a it's about 20 minutes. And also just as a heads up, you'll hear at the end, um, she kind of finishes her story. And then there was, you know, we were saying our own goodbyes, whatever. And then she had one more thing that she added in. So you'll hear her say, like, oh, and that was my story, right? And then there's a little clip after that as well that I put in that she had mentioned after the fact. So just know that. But it it's about 20-ish minutes, I think. So we will play it for you now.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

And I had um really weird experience twenty nineteen. And so on, and you know what I never really had any sort of experience before, but I always kind of like wanted to be a believer. And it was like something that happened beforehand that I just kind of like didn't think it was like a couple of things that would be like that. And I know it was a shadow because I couldn't see like the detail. Like, you know, a shadow, you know, makes it darker, but it you can still see the detail and everything underneath it. But I couldn't see the detail of my door underneath it, I remember. So that's what but like looked like a shadow, and it had like a weird depth to it. Like I feel like normally shadows are just kind of, you know, I don't know, it's like they don't really like they're kind of flat, I guess. And but I remember it having like kind of like a weird depth to it. And so, and so anyway, at first I think it's like a weird blob in my eye. So I do like a really like hard blink and I open my eyes and it's still there. So then I was like, you know, okay, that's weird. I do a couple of like fast, fast blinks, you know, still there. I try to do the fast blink thing again, and finally I'm just kind of like, okay, this isn't going away. So I kind of, you know, did the tilting of the head thing, and you know, what am I looking at? And it just then slowly started to crawl up my closet door, and it just like slipped into my closet. And I was just so freaked out. I didn't feel like scared in the sense of being unsafe. I just felt like freaked out, like that's the best way, you know. And I just kind of stared in my closet for a few seconds, like wondering, is it gonna come back out? You know, and then I remember just kind of compartmentalizing it, just putting it in the box and shoving it to the back of my brain. And, you know, but then I I turned to my other side, you know, facing towards my room, and I did a couple more looks over my shoulder to see if something, you know, was there, and obviously there wasn't. And um, but anyway, so then I like fell asleep, and when I say I compartmentalized it, I didn't think about this again for a month and a half. And what made me r remember it was I was in the kitchen and uh I was doing something, and there had been an issue with our light in the kitchen. So it was one of those long lights with the kind of plastic covering over it, and you had to like switch it a few times before it would actually come on. And so I I knew that we had issues with the lights, but it was like with the actual light bulbs, right? And out of nowhere, while I'm like making breakfast or something, it just the the plastic covering just falls out of nowhere, and it like almost hit me in the head, and I was kind of freaked out by it because I had no idea. Like I knew there was no one on the roof, we lived on the top floor, so I just couldn't understand why it would just fall out of nowhere. So I just kind of like put it to the side, and I was gonna ask my roommate, because he was like over six foot, so I was like, hey, well, you know, I was gonna ask him to put it back. And when I was talking to him, because he was asking why why is this thing right here? And I was explaining to him how weird it was that it just kind of fell and it almost hit me, and he just gave me this look of like, I'm not gonna lie, I like kind of been feeling like there might be spirits in the apartment. And him saying that, I just remember looking down and then like the whole memory of the shadow spider coming back to me and looking up at him and just being like, I saw a shadow spider like a month and a half ago, and like trying to explain to him, but he was just like, No, I don't want to like talk about it and like bring it around or anything. And so I just, you know, the creepy, the creeps kind of snuck back in. And, you know, I kind of started texting all my friends, like, oh, oh, oh, I think I have spirits in my apartment. And my friend Bree, who I've known since freshman year of high school, um, and I very much consider her like my spiritual twin, right? She's just like, we really understand each other's souls in like a way that I don't think anybody else does, you know. So um she texts back like really quickly, and she's like, Yes, there are spirits, and they're, you know, they want to harm you. And, you know, I went into this trying to be kind of funny, you know, about it and make a joke out of it. And she had such a serious response. And um she like called me a few minutes later and she starts telling me about how the night prior, and like she was she she had this dream about me. And in the stream, when she was having this dream, it was like around the time I was talking to my roommate about the fact that I saw this spider, right? And she tells me about this dream that she she dreamt that we were sitting on this like hospital bed, and there were just like we were just in this like swarm of demons, just like the room was totally black, and just demons were all around us. And she said that I was like surprisingly calm, and she was like, Paige, do you want to do something about this? And I was just like, Oh no, it's fine, it's fine, you know, unfazed. And this one demon, I guess, with red eyes, like looked at her and was like, told her, said to her, You're next. And she was raised very religiously, so she was like, No, I am not in the name of Jesus. And she like woke herself up and like went, you know, to go like sleep within her parents' room or something because she was visiting at the time, just like very freaked out by the dream. And so that was weird, just that she was having this dream around the same time. I was having this conversation with my roommate. And then, like, a week later, my friend Michael calls me and says, Paige, I have to tell you about this really weird dream I had about you. It's kind of creeping me out. I dreamt that we were walking around a mall, and this like demon in a trench coat was following us, and I was trying to tell you about it, and you just were unfazed by it, and you just said, You're just told me to not worry about it, and you know, specifically like don't bother it or it'll you know do something bad, something along along those lines. And um, so that was weird, just within the span of a week, two of my friends have like nearly identical dreams, you know, you know, thematically, you know, some of the details were a little different, but basically dreaming that a demon was following us, and I was just completely unbothered. And then also, you know, around you know, these couple of months, my my other best friend Sierra was at some game convention. This is obviously pre-COVID, and she was at some book store or something, and she was walking around and saw this book about Catholic devotionals. And my family's Polish Catholic, so like, you know, she she always knows, you know, she always kind of like thinks of me as she sees something, you know, specifically Pope John Paul II related, right? So, um, but uh, you know, she, you know, but I'm not like I don't really still go to church, you know. It's kind of one of those cradle Catholic things. So I still kind of identify with it, though I'm not practicing in any way, really. But you know, so she thought of me and you know, kind of kind of kept walking around, but she just said that she kept coming back to this book in a weird way, and she wasn't really sure why. And she, you know, she didn't really think I was gonna like really use it or like it in or any way, but she just, I guess, kind of got this feeling like she was supposed to get it for me. And the day that she gave it to me was the day I told her about this spider story and about these dreams my other friends were having. And so it just, you know, it's all these like random, kind of weird things, but they all kind of still kind of connect in this weird way that they were just all happening at the same time, and you know, just some sort of weird energy was, I guess, surrounding me at the time. But uh, so after, you know, you know, the you know, the months following this, like I we tried to do a deep dive into research, obviously, see other people who had similar experiences, and there wasn't really a lot at all. You know, there were, you know, I found some like testimonials from like 2007, but there was no like real webpage that I found or like I mean there was like maybe one or two about like some people saying what I guess some call astral spiders, like A-S-T-R-A-O. And but you know, it just would be one or two lines about the shadow spider. There's not seemingly any real like mythology around it. And so I started researching different, you know, pantheons and different mythology around the world, like what do spiders mean? And um, and you know, there you know, some there's obviously outliers, you know, like I think in Africa there's um there's like a trickster spider that likes to kind of play jokes and is very, you know, kind of plays that kind of role. But a lot of other cultures have are it's very much like a mother figure, you know, and um you know, the the idea of like weaving fate and and also like dreams. And I you know, I read somewhere that dream catchers were based off of a Native American mythology or um some grandmother spider that is has to do with dreams, and that's why it kind of works like a web. Um with Native American stuff, I always feel kind of hesitant when I read this online because I just feel like so much of their stuff has been mastardized or just kind of misinterpreted. So I always kind of take that with a grain of salt, but you know, for whatever it's worth, it kind of like fit into my narrative, I guess. Um but uh the the some of the the t the few testimonials I did find, they did all seem to be sort of like when people were waking up, right? So um, you know, and some I mean one woman said she saw it a couple of times, but it like was acting really like like kind of like wild and sporadic, like it realized that it saw her and was just like running zigzags all over the wall. She was like, it was almost kind of funny, like it was creepy, but it was kind of funny how it just like kind of crazy was acting, like trying to find a place to like leave. And um, and there was like, you know, a couple mothers who said that they saw one in like their child's bedroom, and one of the mothers asked, and like one saw it like sitting on her daughter's head or something, and was like really freaked out. And then like another mother asked, you know, did she do you know about the spider that's in your room? And she, you know, and the daughter apparently replied something to the effect of like, Oh, yes, that's the lady spider that takes away by that dream. And um, so again, just kind of like all folding into this idea of like it being some sort of I guess in my opinion, my theory is that it's some sort of like dream spider. And like, even though we see spiders as you know, typically very creepy and like, oh, we don't want to mess with them, you know, a lot of spiders eat the bad bugs, right? That's you know, and so and as I I said before, you know, my family's Polish. So uh I found this this I came across this phrase in Polish called uh that's centralized, which means um a happy home is where the spiders are. And because in Poland there's not um there aren't any venomous spiders, so yeah, like you know, the idea was like, yeah, you wanted spiders in your home as kind of just this extra protective spirit, if you will. And um, and so yeah, so that's I guess kind of my theory. And I think like specifically, like I don't think that the spider that was in my room was specifically a protective spider for me. And I don't I guess I don't think that they are they're tied to any specific person, um, the way that maybe like angels or spirit guides might be. I think that I I guess like kind of what I think is I think there was some bad energy in my room. I think there was some some negative entity, spirit, demon, I don't know what. And I think the spider just kind of found it the way, you know, spiders and predators do, and was just there to eat or at least try to like kind of fight with the spirit for itself, you know. And then like again, like a lot of animals do when they realize they've been seen, they go into hiding. So I do think it was there to kind of protect me. I don't really because again, I didn't feel unsafe, you know, when this when the spider was there, and and also the fact that I was able to just fall asleep really quickly after, even though I was like really creeped out, and I was like kind of struggling for a while before I had seen it. And I don't have issues falling asleep, you know. So that was like just the other weird aspect is, you know, I rarely am like kept awake. So um, so yeah, I think I saw this dream astral shadow spider spirit thing. I don't know what to call it, and you know, I've just been trying to put it out there in the universe, hopefully, that somebody else might have seen something similar or know something about it. And and I actually think I have had two responses, sort of. So my sister, her um, her daughter, so my niece, her best friend, her mother saw one and I asked her about it, and she told me that, you know, it was right after her first child had been born, and she woke up and just saw it. And same thing, it was it was really big, it was but it was a shadow, but it was definitely a spider, and she just saw it like running across her wall. And she said that she woke her husband up and was like, There's a spider, go kill it, go kill it. And you know, he's obviously just rocky and like gets up as quickly as he can to try to find it. And then apparently by the time he got up, to be like, Well, where did you see it? She was already asleep. And then um, this other, so my friend Bree that I mentioned before, I was uh actually no, it wasn't Bree, so someone else. But anyway, so I was uh giving a tarot reading to someone and they had wanted to bring their friend into it. And I was happening to tell this story to them. And this friend was telling me how people in I guess her parents' home had seen some, and like a lot of times people didn't want to stay the night, and um or they'd get up in the middle of the night and just be like, I'm going home. And you know, I kind of told her my theory, you know, about this stuff because she was definitely kind of attributing it to some of the spiders, I think. Um, I don't know like how frequent the spiders were, but you know, she said that her mother definitely like sent spirits in the home. So what I kind of passed along to her was, you know, I do think the spiders are there, but I don't think the spiders are the issue. Like I think this if you if you if people if multiple people see the spider, it could be one the same spider and it just knows that there's a good food source there for it, if you will. But yeah, there's a good chance there might actually be something up in that house, maybe go stages or something or get it blessed, I don't know, whatever your, you know, your mom wants to do. Um but that kind of I guess like made her feel a little more comforted, at least like, okay, well, maybe, you know, at least there's something there trying to kind of like counteract the negative energy. But um, but yeah, there's like not really a lot that I've like been able to find or like people's experiences. So it's I don't know, it's just very strange. I don't feel like it's a t the typical um spirit ghost story, but that's you know, I always say like I know what I saw. I know what I saw. So that's my story. This is like another part that again, it's just like the like the pre-stuff that happened that was weird. Um, but it just I don't know, I feel like it's a whole bunch of like random, like not like you know, disjointed random stories to kind of get to the thing. But one other random thing that happened was I was sitting out on the balcony one one day and I overheard these two women that were passing by and they they were telling some sort of like, you know, yeah, it was really weird. I like, you know, we you know, Brad and I know that we turned off the light, um, but then we wake up in the middle of the night and it's just like on. Yeah, that's so weird. And they were kind of, you know, and passing, and I just heard like that little snippet. But I so I I mean I kind of like don't know if like the whole complex is haunted or if it's just a uh if it was like a spirit passing through, because there was at some point, I feel like it kind of weird stuff kind of stopped. There was like once or twice I felt like I heard whispering or something in my ear. And then at some point the laundry door fell on me, which was also in the kitchen, and I was just like, what is up with the kitchen? Like, why does this keep happening? Um and what else? There was something. Oh, I was um one, it was like right before I left. I was like, it was a similar to the tour situation where I was like sitting in the living room and it was like the remote or something like that. I hadn't touched it in like 20 or 30 minutes, and just all of a sudden I just hear it rocking back and forth. And I don't know, I'm not really scared of spirits, I guess. I'm scared of people. And so when I saw it rocking back and forth, I just look behind me, I go, good one, you got me. Like it was a joke that the spirit was trying to play on me or something. Like I was like, I'm not scared of you. Like I'll acknowledge you though. Like as long as you're not like messing with me too much. But um, but anyway, yeah, I'll um I'll see. Uh, because my I don't know if my roommate saw anything, but he would kind of go he would tell me that, you know, just in general in life, he could like sense spirits around. So I don't know if he had any specific spirits.

SPEAKER_05 38:56

I think I tried to ask him one time and he didn't, um I don't remember if he told me anything specific or if he just didn't want to, but I just have to point out it's an interesting synchronicity that her story begins with her talking about uh door opening. Just talking about that how it happened last night. Yeah, it literally happened last night.

SPEAKER_03 39:47

It's funny because we did not plan on starting the episode by talking about last night at all. We just kind of derailed into that for a second because that's what we do. Um not get to that point, but uh interesting synchronicity. Now I know it sounds like two people just piecing things together, but we uh have gotten to that point in our life. Everything that's called synchronicity like, okay, and we kind of look at it.

SPEAKER_05 40:10

Yeah, interesting.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

Okay, so let's talk about this story. That's my first time. Yeah, so it is interesting that first off, when how do you talk about these things and you kind of remember you've gone back and you had this story too? Something that got me in that story. Okay, and this was more in the mid or the end, I can't remember where, but talked about in some other area of the world where people say uh spider algebra. Yeah, got me thinking. I was like, oh, I wonder if areas like that where spiders are not seen the way they are over here. If they see shadow spiders uh with their shadow people, um or if or if they don't cultural or over here. We all there's a fear of spiders are quite a lot. I mean, especially down here where we live. But maybe they manifest that because it is creepy and weird and gross to us, you know, especially arachnaphobia. Like, yeah. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_05 41:20

I mean, I certainly think that things will, depending on what uh things we're talking about. Um take different forms. I mean, we've we've seen and we've watched specifically shadows shapeshift, which is weird as fuck and also sounds weird as fuck to say, but when you're sitting there watching it and you're seeing it move and the form transform, it's just it's fucking weird and it's fucking creepy. So I do believe that.

SPEAKER_03 41:51

And that's also something that we've we'll have to look at that area of the world and see uh dive into their shadow experiences to see if any of them are.

SPEAKER_05 42:03

I'm sorry, I totally just did not even like comprehend what you were saying because I was trying to remember what I was in the middle of saying. Uh now I don't remember any of it. It was something good, but you fucking interrupted. I'm gonna leave you a bad review. Oh, oh, something that we've we've talked about this before and have kind of theorized or whatever, hypothesized or whatever fucking appropriate word here, so nobody gets offended. Um that these things, whether it's a shadow thing or an apparition, or even you know, something that's coming to us in a vision or a dream or you know, whatever it might be, that these things are likely presenting themselves in a way that we are able to like understand. Um, I suppose, and you know, that's why I think some people, you know, you talk about like, oh, well, everybody over here sees a Victorian lady, right? And everybody, I don't know, maybe in Japan they're seeing uh entities and apparitions that appear this way, right? Like, well, I don't know, maybe they're just doing that because that's what we're kind of expecting to see in their playing on that. But anyway, all that to say is you know, that can also go for the opposite end of the spectrum, right? Where people will often talk about, you know, demonic eye roll, right? Demonic entities that will show themselves to people as children, right? To kind of like lure you in and be like, oh, I'm like harmless and there's nothing to worry about here, right? Uh things like that. So I don't know. I've I've never experienced a shadow spider. Um it's not something I've gone down the rabbit hole on, so that is pretty much the only story I have to compare it. To, but for me, I'm always inclined to be like, Well, what did you intrinsically feel when it was occurring? You know what I'm saying? And so I do find it interesting that she had mentioned in there, she specifically said um she didn't like it felt almost calming, you know, and afterwards she was able to go to sleep when prior to seeing it, she had been kind of tossing and turning and noting that she's not somebody who has difficulty falling asleep. So I I think that's interesting, and I would be less inclined to believe it's like, oh, some negative evil thing.

SPEAKER_03 44:33

Well, let's touch on that and let's touch on a few things. So one, I think you might have had an experience with what they call these shadow spiders because of what we described with the what we said was like tartenle things. Yeah. Um the other thing is um what you just said, I've thought about this a lot lately, and we always go to, oh, well, I felt normal around this thing. It must not be bad. Well if you're a bad person with bad intent, let's take Jeffrey Dahmer as an example, our bruv Jeff. When he was inviting these people over to watch movies, have drinks, the goal was to get them to feel very good and comfortable so that they would fall asleep.

SPEAKER_05 45:15

As serial killers do.

SPEAKER_03 45:16

And that he would fuck their brains, eat their brains. Anyways, um, think about that for a second. And she just said, Oh, I can just go, I wish we went to sleep. Like, how many times has something come through and told us sleep, sleep, sleep? Yeah. Is it possible? It's just a question, that us feeling that comfortability as opposed to anxiety or whatever, could that be their way, these things way of being like, I'm gonna get you, and the only way I can, because they would know that if we're feeling like we're gonna back off, we're gonna go away from it, we're not gonna go towards it. Could it be manipulation?

SPEAKER_05 45:51

All right. I think that's a good point. And I think there's actually probably something to that, and fuck, I'm like trying to rack my brain remembering where I read this. I feel like it was something because we've been in the rabbit hole with you know the academic people, and then they're all running around with these like NASA and like science and engineering bruvs, these very smart bruvs that are all secretive, whatever. I wanna say it might have been something in those realms, but saying how they can like literally like they have devices, whatever that can not control emotions, but like elicit emotions, right? So emotions like fear or anxiety or whatever, right? So again, you know, I think if something like that is possible, then the opposite also must be true, right? That they can have things that are going to elicit these like feelings of calm and ease or whatever, right?

SPEAKER_03 46:38

It's kind of like if you drug a person. Yes, you know, um, who knows? And and again, I'm not saying definitively that that's what I believe, but it was just a question that just popped into my mind, and I thought it interesting because you and I have done an interesting sort of evolution. Um, if this were maybe a year and a half, two years ago when we were doing this, we'd probably tell you, you know, uh most of this shit's not uh demonic in nature or whatever, but we have seen and heard and and witnessed so many things since then that it has not gotten us to a point where we are solid in any of these thoughts, but it has opened up a lot of questions for us.

SPEAKER_05 47:16

Yes, it all all of all of this, all it does is give you more questions than answers, right? And we will unfortunately never have the answers until we die. But maybe um, yes, and I I know, you know, obviously when we had the conversation with Heidi, uh, she, you know, will willingly share she is Christian, she's very religious, so she does look at a lot of this as, you know, the shadow being she's like, um, they're demonic, they're evil, whatever. And uh I do think, you know, on whatever spectrum it is, I guess, I do believe that there is inherently there's good and there is inherently like evil, yeah, right? Bad, nefarious, negative, whatever you want to call it. Um, and I think that different people will refer to it as different things, right? Maybe it's a demon, maybe it's a djinn, maybe it's just yeah, you know, whatever culture is saying, right? And I think it is it's a bit more all-encompassing. And I think something that I, you know, we've we've been digging into this demonic, right? And evil in these entities, I think for a bit now, because it's curious, right? And we like to learn things, I think it's a bit more all-encompassing versus literal, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 48:32

The word demon we have come to find. I mean, when you start studying um different cultures and and the history of all this stuff in general, look, uh they all have it. I think it's easy for us to say, whoa God, you know, demons don't exist. Because what we're doing there is we are defining that word and looking at it through um, we are saying what's not real is the pop culture version of a demon, right? Right. Versus if we stop and think, um, that is language used to describe a thing.

SPEAKER_05 48:56

Right.

SPEAKER_03 48:57

It's just language.

SPEAKER_05 48:58

Right. And everybody is going to attach their own meanings to it.

SPEAKER_03 49:01

But at the end of the day, it means not a great rev.

SPEAKER_05 49:04

Yes. Not good.

SPEAKER_03 49:05

Not good. Evil.

SPEAKER_05 49:07

We know that the very existing.

SPEAKER_03 49:08

And it's funny that word evil, it's sometimes hard for us to say because we're like evil, but here's the thing, and I know a lot of people, I've had conversations with people that have say things like, well, the word evil is a human construct, and blah, blah, blah. And actually that's not true. And I I heard a great conversation with Diana Pasulka about this, and she was talking about how people say that about the word evil. And she's like, Okay, well, you have to ask yourself, like, you can't look at something like child trafficking and say, that's not evil. Like, evil exists, right?

SPEAKER_05 49:38

And I think it's, you know, when you think of things like that too, because God, everybody likes to throw around all these buzzwords today, right? And uh, especially at other people, right? Like, oh, you're evil. Like, okay, well, guess what? A person is not the sum of all of the things that they've done. And when I personally am thinking of like the word evil, right? I'm talking about like inherently, you know, sure we're unfortunately we're fucking human. Like, people are gonna be make mistakes, like nobody's perfect. We are flawed beings. However, does that mean that a person is inherently bad or evil? You know, some people defin definitely are, like, say, you know, serial killers. That's a fucking bad bruv.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

Well, however, it is, but however, to a point, something that I've always found interesting, and serial killers are the best way to start doing this as an experiment, is to go back and look at, because they're all out there, look at pictures of these serial killers when they're children.

SPEAKER_05 50:34

Well, sure. And I think, you know, you brought up Jeffrey Dahmer, and I know a lot of people are not gonna agree with this, and I'm not, you know, giving an opinion, but I I can say going back, and if you look into him and his life and his childhood and the shit that he had to go go through, and I think that what's that the movie My Friend Dahmer is at it? You know, it it kind of humanizes him a bit more to the point where and I'm a Libra, okay? I can see both sides.

SPEAKER_03 51:02

His actual friend that went to school with him.

SPEAKER_05 51:04

Exactly. And it's, you know, seeing things like that, it's kind of like, okay, well, yeah, like not justifying anything he did or saying it's okay or saying it's right is definitely not okay. People go through shitty childhoods, okay. However, it's like it kind of helps you understand a bit more, like, okay, well, I can see how somebody would get so fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 51:25

I think the way to to to phrase that, what you and I have concluded, is it's we can't see because what it really can see is that we cannot understand that person's reality, or we never experienced the things that they did, so we don't know what gets a person there. Now, what we do know is that when people start out going back to these pictures of them when they're kids, I don't believe that uh child men, maybe some are, but a child is born and then like that isn't an inherently evil person. What's interesting to me the more we've done this, these shadow things we're talking about, if there are these inherently call it for lack of better term, evil or negative spiritual beings, how much of that is influencing our world and is helping to get people to a point where they are a serial killer, where they're uh they're doing just bad things.

SPEAKER_05 52:18

Well, I'm not I'm not gonna go to the serial killer route, but I definitely think that it is personally, I think it is probably more common than we even may think that negative entities are influencing things like that. And even if it's not an entity per se, negative energy, because that has a vibration, it has a frequency that's going to affect and influence things.

SPEAKER_03 52:44

Well, let me also just say for anyone right now that's hearing that in and eye rolling, is for thousands of years, countless cultures have all said the same thing. There is a spiritual battle between good and evil that we can't see, and that it influences our world.

SPEAKER_05 53:00

Yes. And I mean, something that you've brought up is, you know, 2020 and the pandemic, and everybody goes on lockdown, and we uh I both I think believe in like that there's a collective consciousness, you know, you want to call it the universe or God or source or whatever. I think uh the Akashic Records, I kind of am along the lines. I think it's all just kind of the same thing, this like collective conscious rate. Well, and 2020 happened, and there's all this, you know, pain and suffering and bullshit, and you know, then it's getting worse, and then the fucking, you know, world is just a dumpster fire because everybody's putting this negative bullshit out and so I've kind of switched on what I think about collective consciousness after um really diving into what Young meant by that, and we can touch on that in a different episode.

SPEAKER_03 53:43

But what I think I do believe is that as we go through uh our lives and we experience reality, I think every thought, emotion, action, everything we do, like sort of in real time, is creating this reality that we all share. And it has always been interesting to me that when COVID happened, this was the first time, definitely in our lifetimes, that we experienced something on a global scale where we all, no matter what your thoughts are uh about that whole thing, we all experienced very negative time. Right? Um, whether it was people dying everywhere or being locked in or all these things. It seems to me that since then the world has gotten very, very weird. And I had to ask myself, could there be something connection between the fact that at this time and place the whole world was just negative experience, you know, and then maybe just like has this weird effect on reality. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 54:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:40

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 54:41

Yes, because everything has a I mean, going back to, you know, I love saying everything's waves, bruv. Yeah. But like it fucking is everything that we're putting out, it's that's all everything is, vibe these vibrational frequencies.

SPEAKER_03 54:56

That takes me back to I'm gonna get and maybe some people don't like this, but it takes me back to looking at old religious texts uh throughout the the ages of these ideas. One that's been very uh interesting to me lately is this idea of turn the other cheek, where they say, Oh, if someone does something bad, you just forgive them and don't even think about it, right?

SPEAKER_04 55:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 55:19

Because that's interesting because what happens if you get angry and you uh retaliate? Right.

SPEAKER_05 55:23

You put in those vibrational frequencies. It's also very stoic philosophy.

SPEAKER_03 55:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:29

The all you have control over is yourself, your own thoughts, feelings, emotions, reactions.

SPEAKER_03 55:34

But what's important is what if what you're in control of is the way that you handle things, what if it has a direct um effect on not just your reality around you, but everyone's what if you're let's say you get agitated at some we stub your toe and I'm oh shit, you know? What if that vibration literally affects something over in, I don't know, Japan? Because it's literally out now in this invisible reality that we all share.

SPEAKER_05 56:04

I mean, I think that yes, I think it will affect things. Again, ripple effect, everything's waves, taking it to, oh, I stubbed my toe and now this bruv in Japan got a headache. I don't know. Do I think it works that way? Like, I don't know about that, because even like these frequencies, and by the way, what I'm talking about, it's literally scientifically studied. Okay, this is not woo, the vibrational frequencies, but you know, they it's like when you throw something into a pond and you see the the ripples, right? But eventually it kind of dissipates, you know. So something as simple as like, oh, I stub my toe and I'm like, fuck, you know, like that's gonna put out a little ripple, it'll dissipate, versus after it dissipates, it changes that water, that flow forever.

SPEAKER_03 56:52

It does, it changes like those ripples go out and it's now flowing on all these directions, it's changed. It will never be the same.

SPEAKER_05 56:58

There's this great old uh the same water is still there.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

No, so there's this great old uh philosophical thing. Someone had said you can't go into uh the same river twice. Meaning once you go in, it has changed, you have changed, and it will never be the same moving forward. And I think that is a very interesting thing to think on because when you look at events that happen in our lives and we see things like effects, causes and effects, it goes back to that. We just went off on a tangent.

SPEAKER_05 57:27

The other thing I wanted to bring it back to shadow people.

SPEAKER_03 57:30

Well, the other thing in that story that was interesting out and tell me if I misheard this, but wasn't she saying something in the story about this shadow bruv getting on her daughter's like head, like in her bed?

SPEAKER_05 57:40

That somebody else that she had spoken to, yeah, was saying they saw it on their daughter's head.

SPEAKER_03 57:46

That right there is when I would be like, Okay, you sons of bitches. Like, what are you doing? Like, are they sucking their brains out? Are they going out? What is that? That's wild.

SPEAKER_05 57:54

That was a bit odd.

SPEAKER_03 57:55

We have not even seen anything like that.

SPEAKER_05 57:56

It's a bit unsettling.

SPEAKER_03 57:58

Like, if I walked in the room and you're laying there, just all beautiful and peaceful, and I see a shadow spider on your head.

SPEAKER_05 58:04

What would you do? Would you come smack it with a rolled up magazine? Yeah, I would be like, Oh, stop. I'm just trying to get the shadow spider off of you.

SPEAKER_03 58:11

I'm like hitting you in the face. You're like, what are you doing? Please don't do this. I'm like, I've gotta get him off of you. That's gonna be how this ends. We're gonna go nuts and just like see shadow things on each other and just like 86 each other, right? Um But no, that sounds inherently not good.

SPEAKER_05 58:25

Oh, well, I mean, yeah, if you just think about it, you know, it's like, what I mean, I don't know. I guess if she's talking about the potential that these are helping with dreams or whatever, then maybe but I I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 58:38

It's just like if this like things like feeding on your brain, like, and you like you go in like, what are you doing? It's like, I'm helping, I'm helping dream. Like, it's like, I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_05 58:46

I don't know. It's all just it's fucking weird. I don't know, it's weird, bro.

SPEAKER_03 58:51

Fucking weird. Yeah, I will say that this story I think she had mentioned in there that she's not like um I think she had said she's not really like into this kind of stuff, but she did mention that she reads tarot. So I think most people that do that in some form or fashion, they're kind of into this stuff. And I it made me think a little bit about the way a lot of people approach something like that that aren't really into this or or maybe know a lot, and I'm not saying this about her, but yes, doing something like divination, if you think that it's somehow this like divinatory practice that comes from spirit, like that can sometimes open weird things. I know that sounds weird and extreme, but I we have seen it.

SPEAKER_05 59:30

Well, yes, I mean everything is intention. You know, this is why and I know you hate this, but Ouija boards, right? Like, yeah, sure, absolutely they can fucking bring shit in. Well, I know. Because if you're going to it and you're doing it and you have the belief and the intention that you are summoning shit, like calling shit in, whatever, like, yeah, bruv, that's what you're fucking doing then.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

Well, that was and I I noticed that with the museum being open and having uh our Ouija board collection on display, the different cultures that would come in and react to that in different ways. And I always found that to be very interesting. And those cultures all had stories, those people from those cultures all had stories about bad things happening with these devices. A Ouija board is just a technology, it's just like a radio that we use and something comes through. Um but it was always interesting that the specific cultures, uh, those people would come in, see that, and be like, oh, and they would tell me all these stories. I mean, wow, that's very interesting. Versus if an atheist came in, which they were oftentimes dragged into the museum by their significant others, they would tell you, uh, no. Um never seen anything. Brandon Hodge, our good friend, who has the greatest Ouija board collection, I believe, not in the world, but certainly around here.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:42

One of the largest.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:42

One of the largest um never had an experience.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:45

Not one. And I think it's because he's not looking at it from that standpoint. And I think that's very interesting because then is the only way to fight something like evil through our thoughts and intent. Because if it can manifest it, can it get rid of it?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:00

Which goes to uh, you know, things like a cross, or maybe it's a Star of David, or maybe it's a pentac pentagram, whatever it is, bring up the fact that we have that belief that it's going to protect you, it's probably gonna protect you.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:15

Well, can we bring up the two things actually on that? That one, when we gave our good friend one of these miraculous medallions, and she was talking to her app about it, and it said, It won't help you, but belief will.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:27

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:27

And then the second we put up our call it Marion altar here at the house, something in the house didn't like it.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:33

It did not like it, and there was a couple days of some shit going down, and then since then it's been fairly calm.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:44

This episode is brought to you by Philosophy and Brubs. Like it's yeah, I don't know. So it was an interesting story, I think. Um, I would love to talk to her more about that and see if that continued to happen to see where that goes. Uh, you know, actually, if you're listening and you have experiences with these shadow beings specifically, I don't care if it's a shadow spider, a shadow person, or a shadow leopard, I don't know, but reach out to us because I want to talk to you uh from just a research standpoint to document that of how it started, how it evolves, how if it ends, how it ends. And how it made you feel.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:20

Yeah. So uh send us an email and let us know.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:25

I got so many questions now. Is that the episode?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:28

Yeah, I think that's the I mean we can sit here and talk about shadow shit for fucking ever. So I think we are gonna go do that, but on a different episode.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:37

Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for listening. Great story. Uh, thanks for sharing. Send us your stories. We'd love to hear them.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:42

And shout out to Paige. Thanks for uh sharing your story with us.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:50

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