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54. Down The Rabbit Hole: The Kate Shepard House
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We've walked the halls, talked to the ghosts, and spoke to the woman who lived it, but now it's time to really get into it. In this final installment of our Kate Shepard House series, we're going down the rabbit hole. This is the episode where we roll up our sleeves, light the metaphorical (or literal) candles, and unpack everything that went down—from the strange synchronicities to the most unexplainable moments.
We're diving into our personal theories, weaving together history, intuition, and straight-up
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SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. And with that, I murder Damien and carry on reading the review. Uh, I want to shout out ADHD and normalizing neurodivergent spicy brains. If you want to know how an ADHD brain works, sit down for a lesson. Nicole and Damien always bring it back around after chasing the rabbit down the hole. I am so glad that you get us. I also want to say that part of the power of these stories comes from the parapower of the ADHD. They see and hear and feel all of the things neurotypical people can't. Yes. Fun, scary, silly, and always a journey. It all also really helps with the hype when I, you know, can hyperfixate on something and like do some freaking research, which is what I did yesterday. This is not the review. This is In Lockhart.
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SPEAKER_03Yeah. Speaking of having an aversion to Joe, I had mentioned that we can't be the ones stalking people. They need to be stalking us, but we we're gonna stalk you now. You can't let us know where you work when you leave a review because we will show up.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's not stalking, but like, listen, we all know how I feel about New Orleans, and literally somebody could send me a text right now and be like, yeah, you know what? I'm really craving a poeboy. You want to drive to New Orleans right now? And I'd be like, Yup.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Uh thank you so, so much for that review. It means the world to us. Thank you to all the new Patreon members. What are we talking about this evening?
SPEAKER_00We are going down the rabbit hole.
SPEAKER_03Chasing that fucker down that hole.
SPEAKER_00On the Kate Shepherd House. Oh, that's right, yeah. So we did we did do a marathon recording session over the weekend and we recorded everything back to back, but we, you know, we're getting kind of tired because it does take a lot to record all of these. But um, also wanted to give it a moment to let everything kind of percolate in our brains.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. That means sit. I I think.
SPEAKER_00Do percolate? Like a percolator, you know, for your coffee. Like per percolate, like kind of like ste stewing around up there.
SPEAKER_03If we let that sit and we let that percolate, aren't those the same things?
SPEAKER_00I'm I mean, yeah, kind of, but I think it's more like, you know, it's there's more like activity with percolate, you know. There's percolate. There's there's some yes. You're like actively thinking about it.
SPEAKER_03We're doing that thing again that we got a bad review on, which is, you know, not getting to the point. Talking to each other or whatever.
SPEAKER_00Um stop talking to me.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um stop looking at me. So down the rabbit hole in this, uh this was is is an interesting one because uh it was a really the way everything lined up for us to even go and investigate.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think let's let's start with that because this is very much I I feel like from beginning to end, not our typical investigation, starting with I mean, how we even found it.
SPEAKER_03Well, and and to be true uh about this is uh so many more episodes that are already kind of done or will be coming out after this, this the Kate Shepherd House and the and the sort of the synchronicities and the weirdness that got us to even be there in the first place uh has kind of taken over how we've been approaching things and uh some of these next episodes that'll be out like Mississippi. Yeah. Uh are all kind of based on this weird, like weird shit happens, we fucking follow it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think the new the new tagline starting, you know, with the Kate Shepherd series is just, you know, like the real ghost of we're only getting weirder.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I've got it. No one's ever used this tagline before. Ready? Just do it.
SPEAKER_00That's real bad.
SPEAKER_03That was Nike.
SPEAKER_00I know. Okay. That's why I said that's real bad. Yeah, yeah, it's real bad.
SPEAKER_03Anyways. Was that supposed to be funny? It was. Look, my jokes can't all be bangers, alright? I'm not Sabrina Carpenter.
SPEAKER_00Um Yeah.
SPEAKER_03She's perfect and can do no wrong. Little dream boat. Um, anyways, so to start this out, I know we have talked about this somewhere. We talk about shit all the time, so we forget what we talk about, but we have to talk about how it started, which was, of course, we were b uh set to go to Florida. We were gonna well, no, let me let me let me rewind, actually. You were set to go to Florida.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, which we did talk about this, and the whole, you know, the plane and I canceled it, and then because you have to then zoom in, and yeah, we talked about all of that.
SPEAKER_03So everything just lined up to where the universe basically put us in this position to be at this house, and we were gonna be the only ones there. I find out that some wild phenomena has happened to the point where the kind of phenomena you don't typically hear about, which you've you've heard now in the previous episode about the water. That was the big one for me. And boy, I I'll I think I'll never forget this. You were scratching around somewhere and I had found this out. I think I sent you a text like, bruv, there's fucking wild shit that's happened this morning.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, I remember, and you're like, don't look anything up, we're gonna use this, I think.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, because I mean I I I couldn't help it. Like, literally, this thing started as you know, oh, I got my once-a-year fucking thing to go play music at the circus, I'm gonna go to Florida, and then it was like, well, now I'm gonna fucking drive, and I'm like, well, let's fucking make a weird trip out of it. And we fucking did. We went to a UFO crash site.
SPEAKER_00Yes, Pascagoula, Mississippi.
SPEAKER_03Yep, we investigated the Kate Shepherd house, which let me tell you something. For you pair of people out there, if you investigate, uh if you're a paranormal investigator or whatever, this is a unknown gem.
SPEAKER_00Yes, it is. And we even said that on the episode, we're like, I really want to gatekeep this TBH. Um, but we're gonna be a girl's girl here, and not. So there you go, there it is. You have it. Do not book it out because I want to go back there. But like, it is, it's a fucking gem. I mean, we've been a lot of places, yeah. And I feel like the activity here compared to oh I mean, the the vast majority of the, you know, even like super well-known, whatever, like haunted places, like the activity here was just crazy.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, uh well, specifically the fact that the audio you would have heard on the episodes that we recorded at the end of the night when we were asleep.
SPEAKER_00They heard my snoring.
SPEAKER_03Well, all of that though, which was the scariest part. Yes, it was. It was which all of that though, um, there was so much more of it that we literally were like, we can't put a all of this into the episode all fucking night. It was all right. It's the walking around, it's the tapping, it's the sounding like people are opening and closing drawers. Yeah. Um, voices. Uh voices. I mean, there's a lot of people. It sounds like people like talking in the background to the point where I almost went insane because I was like, Nicole, is there a way that this could have been us talking? So I had Nicole look at the recording timestamp of what she was recording upstairs. So, you know, and we were in bed like 15 minutes after the whole thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, none of it, there was no nothing matching up. Like it couldn't have been us. And then when we talked to um Wendy, which y'all heard in the interview, you know, even confirming with her, she was like, No, that's a solid house. Like, you are not gonna hear, even if we had been up, she was like, You are not gonna hear people talking.
SPEAKER_03Well, and a lot of the a lot of the noises you can tell are happening in the room relatively close to the microphone. Yeah. Um, the the big the biggest thing, I think, for me was what was happening with the devices. Because we we all know all of the electrical shit. If you do this kind of thing, you know batteries drain. Devices will that you know they'll the batteries will drain. If you've listened to us talk about doing this, you know how batteries drain. This was different. Okay, this was shit turning off this was this was shit uh turning off one app and turning on a different one that that then worked better.
SPEAKER_00It was almost, I would argue, I think that this is even more, I don't know, like intelligent, I I guess is maybe the word, maybe that's not the right word, but then just like the battery draining, you know what I'm saying? Because this was like literally like the batteries weren't drained, it was just like, meh, I'm gonna turn your device off. Like, there's nothing wrong with it. Battery's still good, like I'm just gonna turn it off, just to like inconvenience you.
SPEAKER_03You know, if you didn't listen to the other episodes, I mean we're talking uh iPad, GoPros, uh the DJI, yeah, which go back if you haven't listened yet.
SPEAKER_00Start at the the begin or part one for Kate Shepard.
SPEAKER_03Every one of those devices would turn off uh and and and not like we would turn it back on. Has not happened before or since.
SPEAKER_00And so so what do you think that this is though? Because like down the rabbit hole, right? So I let's go in depth on this, though. So this happened. We know this happened. It's different than just the batteries draining. Yeah. Like simple. I don't know. Like, how how do you think that that's different though? Like, how is this manifesting?
SPEAKER_03I don't think it's different. So, first off, is this so this is even though this is an unknown place, we we do know that for whatever reason there's certain spots that uh have this ability to be a bit more tapped in. Um, so when you hear about something like a water apportation, okay, uh, from a place that's not like a a haunted location attraction, okay.
SPEAKER_00And I'm just noting you're getting so jazzed up right now, your hands are flailing like you're like almost hitting me in the face.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, it that's a that's an interesting thing. And the the the amount of people that have seen sort of these physical uh little girl apparitions, which you know, uh why that cooks my bacon, go back to the Marion Apparition episode of Parapeculier, uh, you know, the 15-year-old girl, little girls all the so the that and then you feeling that and and hearing that immediately when we went in the house. The water apportation thing where people like um maintenance people came and looked at it and were like, I don't know what the fuck's going on. This is weird. One of them, the owner even said something to the effect of I don't like this house or whatever. But well, why is it different? I think it's the same thing that happens when our batteries drain. Because you know me and the way I think about this, I think that whatever the phenomena, when we are engaging with it like we do, there is some sort of an electrical connection in a form, whether it's the electricity in our bodies, whether it's a kind of electricity we don't know too much about, whether it's just the electricity that's in the environment itself. I don't I I don't have that answer. But it's clear that it that it uses that in some way in these devices, it'll drain these batteries. This was very different though. The turning off the devices is one thing, okay? But we literally asked it you know, can we switch apps to try something else? It said yes through one app, we turned that off, turned the other one on, it's not working. And the SPI app we love, shout out Sean Austin, like we love that app. It was giving us nothing. Like zero. And then, of course, the other app kicks on. That's the big one for me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Why because it feels like the same thing that happens when batteries drain, just a stronger connection. I and I think that it was literally just this information in the environment telling us like, nope, use this one instead. Um I've been on this big kick of everything is information and data. And I I think that's gotta be what was happening. But regardless, it it worked because one thing wasn't working and then it kicked on the one that was giving us these great responses. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know. I'm just still like, I don't uh I don't know that I would say like the energy is stronger, you know, to do that. Like I feel like I said, the connection is stronger. I feel like intelligent is I don't know, that's like the word that's coming up for me because like when when you're thinking about like just oh like something during the battery, whatever, like yeah, we already know like this shit is gonna interfere with electronics, electrical shit, whatever. It it just it is what it is. Um, it happens constantly. But I feel like I don't know, it just feels completely different to me because it wasn't the batteries weren't draining, right? It wasn't something that's just like siphoning energy or like pulling this energy from somewhere, you know, it's like it just felt intelligent, like something is going in there and fucking turning the just turning it off. And even like when we talked about, you know, we already went over in the episode, like everybody who has an iPad knows, you know, to turn it off, you have to like hold down the button and then you have to swipe the fucking thing to turn it off. There's like multiple steps, just like with switching the apps, you know, like that to me, I don't know. I just feel like it's like a way different category.
SPEAKER_03The switching the app is the the weirdest one for me because here's the thing when I say the connection is stronger, even when people aren't trying it, we have to remember that even uh when we did the conversation with the previous owner, she told us that people were there to do some t uh f uh filming for television for some historical uh piece, I guess, and their cameras were turning off. Okay, so it's something about that place, and that's interesting to me because of something like a water apportation. That's a big deal, and it wasn't a puddle of water, okay? It was a stream of fucking water, and that's interesting. And when you walked in the house, you felt not great, even though there's nothing negative there. You know, so that's an overload, I think.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_03So I just think there's a higher connection there, like there is in some places I couldn't tell you what. Think of it like if you're connected to the internet. I mean, that's the best analogy for all of this. Um I I'm at that. Sure.
SPEAKER_00So instead of having like one bar, we had like 5G.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yes, correct.
SPEAKER_00We would have 5G. Cape Shepherd House is 5G.
SPEAKER_03Correct. No, that I I literally think that that's what was going on because we we have been to some of the places that have had the wildest phenomena. The things that give us attachments, they may erase our recordings, they may drain our batteries. But hold on, you keep talking.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna go, I'm Googling something.
SPEAKER_03Even the places that we've been, uh, such as Hill House, that you know, uh really you see some wild manifestations. Um, it it's never even done that. So when I heard this previous owner talk about the people trying to film the TV show and their cameras were turning off and things of that nature, that really started to cook my bacon because it I don't think it's a thing that you have to try to tap into. I think it's just something there in that location for whatever reason, there's some kind of a connection. I don't know. We have still not really looked up the coordinates of it to see right now. Are you really?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's because I was like, oh, I wonder if it's the same coordinates as uh Lake Hellhouse or Mineral Wells.
SPEAKER_03Well, if you look in the book, um the the the two books that have come out about the spheres that I've recommended, uh he lists out a lot of these places, and uh uh a lot of these really wild locations have some interesting coordinates that kind of match up.
SPEAKER_00That was not helpful at all in regards to what book that is. I know one of them is quantum paranormal. What's the name of the other?
SPEAKER_03Uh the Sphere Network. There you go. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, okay, so they're not exactly the same. Mineral Wells is 32.816, whatever. Um, and then Kate Shepherd House is 30.6844, whatever.
SPEAKER_03Hold on, hold on. So what is what is the Kate Shepherd House again?
SPEAKER_0030. Uh-huh.684452.
SPEAKER_03684552. 4452. 4452. Okay. Um shit. I'm trying to you keep talking, I'm gonna try to do my own little math. That's a lot here to do. I'm trying to numerology this shit.
SPEAKER_00Oh, well, I think I the thing that's ringing my bell right now with that six eight four four five two is I'm like, what were those goddamn coordinates that we got when we were doing that Estes session?
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_00We did it, we did a session in our or like a live investigation in the museum here on our Patreon. Um Was it earlier this month, I think? Yeah. Um, and there were some coordinates that came through. I don't remember what the hell they were now though.
SPEAKER_03Well, yeah, we'll we'll have to go back and look at our own Patreon.
SPEAKER_00Because I feel like 6'8 and like 4'2 is sounding familiar to me.
SPEAKER_03I don't know, but regardless, I don't like w we keep going to that word intelligent, and it just makes me think about the conversation that we did last night with um uh Frankie and them for the for the uh fest coming up. For Windy City. And and you know, it's always refreshing to talk to people that have that same thing as me. That if it's intelligent in my opinion, um I I think it's coming from beings that are different than what we use that word ghost to describe. So this house was it intelligent. I I think that uh the location has the ability to have a better connection than most. That's the only thing I can think. Um, you know, the the phenomena, it's interesting in a way, was almost old parking. Meaning when you go to bed, like we left the recording going and all this shit's going on. Now we did hear throughout the night as we were doing things the knocks on the walls and the bangs on the walls. Not not bangs, I don't want to say that, but like knocks and knocks on knocks and kids.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, that I get what you're saying, though. Almost like old park in the sense that like there when we went to sleep, it seemed like things were more active.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00Um, which yeah, it did seem that way. That, you know, wherever we were, it was not like directly there, which you know, literally started with me laying in the bed and the doors closed and hearing somebody scratching around in the hallway.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I think this all just it it makes sense. I don't think it's that complicated when we ask that question of why, you know, what would this place be different? I think, you know, you've heard me talk about this uh this newosphere, Noah Sphere, um, this this theorized idea of um outside of even the biosphere basically is just all intelligence. It's basically unlimited, infinite intelligence, and that is all of our consciousness altogether. And yes, yes, but it is intelligence that keeps growing and is infinitely growing and constantly evolving. Um and and it seems to me that there's certain locations that we can tap into that better. And this is this is I think this is one of them. But the great thing about this house, and I think my theory, and this is why I almost did I really did want to gatekeep this place. Um when I started doing research on this house to see what kind of phenomenon was going on. I found a couple of bruvs that had done some videos paranormal investigating there. The the two I watched took the negative route. You know, the the there's the ominous music, you know, the the spooky musical, and then there's a oh, if you walk by this house, you might want to walk the other way. Like it's it's it's I don't want to see the the how do I put this? The fucking paranormal community, if they get their hands on it, it might become that because these places that have this connection, what we it gives us what we take to it. You and I were there and we were just so I don't know what the word is, but it was just like uh we weren't going in there kicking down doors looking for bruvs.
SPEAKER_00Well, no, we were just going in there with the intent of like, hey, this is a pla a beautiful place for us to stay the night on our trip back to Florida, you know? And also, since we're here, we're gonna bust out some things and try to see if anybody wants to communicate, you know. It wasn't going in like, this place is spooky and there's demons, you know, like which that's the thing, a place like that that has that sort of connection to the to the intelligence, to the internet, basically.
SPEAKER_03Um I think uh the more negative you bring to it, that the it might manifest itself a bit more negatively.
SPEAKER_00Um Well, sure, aggregoring things, right? And you know, when people go in there, it's like the way I always describe the mirror, you know, is that it literally is a mirror for whatever you are going in expecting from it.
SPEAKER_03Right. I mean, that's the thing. If if these locations allow us a better connection to this infinite intelligence, if what's in our minds is the spooky, the the negative, the scary, you know, that um that's probably what we get. Um and we were there with this different sort of mindset, and it was a very different experience, and it turned out to be some of the wildest.
SPEAKER_00It's weird to me that these other videos, because I still haven't looked any of this up or watched any of these things, you know. I typically don't after we've gone. Um but that's interesting to me that you're saying that they were taking this like spooky approach. Because I'm like, dude, when you look at the history though, like there's nothing spooky or scary or traumatic or horrible, you know, that happened there. Like it's literally a place of like love and a place that the community loved and that was helping people, and you know, it's because we need a new language in this world.
SPEAKER_03I hate the word ghost, I hate the word haunted. I I don't like any of it at this point because what it does, it's it's like when I decided this is gonna be an interesting analogy, but when I moved away from the Rider Waite tarot deck to using the Marseille, I did it for a specific reason. And that was the Marseille has zero built-in sort of ideology that we know about versus the Rider Waite deck is all based off Golden Dawn. So the imagery itself, you can't help but have that put into your mind because the intent was there. Um I think that that's the same kind of thing. We can go into place and be like, oh, ghosts are scary and spooky because you know they're in the afterlife and they might they're either a demon or they're like a lost soul, which is I'm sorry, it's uh pro uh uh or something else, right? That you're gonna have to like help or chase away versus just connecting to this intelligence. I think has a lot to do with it.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, and I mean you can even hear in like the walk that I did, I wasn't talking like none of what I said was like, oh, there's you know, like, oh, there's a little girl and she's walking around here and she just came up to me and said XYZ, you know, like I, you know, said, Oh, it feels like I'm gonna walk around the corner and like see this little girl like staring down at me, you know. But it's I will say that that has been something for me that I think well not, I think, that is difficult now when I'm doing like walks or my reads of places, because and you know, like you are never gonna, there's nothing that you can ever say to me, I think that will ever change my mind. Like I will always be a both and girly. Like, I do think that there can still be, you know, somebody who passed and might still be on this plane of existence. I do think that that is still a thing. However, even before, yes, I thought it was rare overall, but I think I think it is more, even more rare now, you know, than I thought before. But I do think a lot of this, you know, we're on the same wavelength in terms of I think the majority of it is either, you know, coming from stuff that's created by us, or we're just kind of feeling like the remnants of that energy, or like we say, you know, the cloud, like kind of tapping into that and being able to pull from like the memories of these places or seeing the things that happened, you know. And so for me, being able to like touch things or things like that will help me kind of get that energetic thread, if you will, to be able to follow it to better receive that information, you know what I'm saying? But it is um, I don't know, it's difficult for me now to kind of even figure out how to like explain things, I guess, when I'm doing the walk, you know, because it's not I don't know, I just think about this all so differently. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, and you kept getting water, which was interesting. And and water apportations have been a a thing that has really cooked my bacon for a long time because when we talk about us even having the ability, like you and I playing with radios and making contact with things that um I personally think there's stations uh on the moon and beings at these stations that are communicating with us, anyways. Oh yeah. So um but on the fucking moon? Yeah, babe. On the moon. Yeah. We'll get it we'll get into it later. It's coming up. Don't worry. I I know I've not hit you with this yet.
SPEAKER_00Well, I will say after listening to that, and this is a real fucking side tangent here. Um, what episode was it? Was it Danny Jones podcast with who had that guy who was talking about Sabrella with the phone in the moon?
SPEAKER_02The moon landing.
SPEAKER_00Yes, but he like presented evidence and like had uh what up not interviews, um recordings from like the flight or the flights? Is it a flight? I don't know. It was compelling.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's compelling, but he took it to the wrong place. We definitely went to the moon. What happened was uh we saw things, structures. Do you know uh the old uh remote viewers that were told to look at the moon? What did they see? They saw domes with naked people working and large Nordics.
SPEAKER_00We're way too much tangent now, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, no, it's not because I think that there's places, locations that for whatever reason could get these transmissions better, and water, I think water has this interesting component to it. So water apportations, especially when it's not just a puddle, it was a literal as she described it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the wall of water that's so think about that. I don't know what to think about that. My brain has trouble comprehending how that would even occur.
SPEAKER_03Because think of what water is and how it's a transmitter uh and a receiver.
SPEAKER_00Well, sure, I understand that, but physically manifesting something out of nothing, like this isn't a fucking magic show. Okay, you know, like it literally happened.
SPEAKER_03Ribbon manifests out of nowhere.
SPEAKER_00I understand. I have no idea how that would even be explained. I understand. Like I've seen it happen. We've had these experiences. Yeah. It's okay. Is it any does it make it any less like what the goddamn actual fucking fuck is this?
SPEAKER_03No, but I think I think it makes it easier to try to wrap your head around when you see that that phenomena itself, apportations, typically happens with something that's uh in the elements form. Pennies, glass, stone, water.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, sure, but even that, I don't know. I still am like, whatever. Okay, ribbon isn't an element. I the only thing that I can sold in the tell myself is it's just it's different, it's dimensional, it's other dimensions because like literally, when you look at how all of that works and the physics, okay, the actual science, bros, the physics of how this shit works, like it would make perfect sense that we're gonna see shit like shadows or you know, something walking through a fucking wall. Like, we have are not even able to comprehend how this stuff would be perceived. So maybe, you know, to your point of like it being a 5G station or whatever, it just, you know, it's an area where the veil is a bit thinner. And so these other things or these things and other dimensions are just able to come through a bit more easily. I don't know. That's the only explanation that my brain can come up with with this. And the more we go down this rabbit hole of bullshit, I don't know. Um it we weird shit, just weird shit, whatever you want to call it. Insert whatever word feels most appropriate to you. Loves all the movies, does not offend you, you know. Um, I just I don't know. I think a lot of it is just like other like dimensional, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, potentially. But this place specific, one thing that I do, you know, we did this series and we got this great phenomenon, but one of the things that I hope people take away from it is that aspect that maybe you know, the paranormal community um has been so sort of dogma infused with what we see in the media. And we've no course it is, it's basically a cult. And we know that um uh the research has shown that media, movies, music, everything, um give you false memories that you think are real, they give you it they shape your reality. So when people start their paranormal teams and it's always something, you know, about kicking indoors and you hear me talk about them taking pictures looking tough like they're ready to go. What if what would happen? This place made me think, what would happen if we as people that look at this phenomenon went into it and and got rid of that like it was um just garbage, you know. Remember the time that we were at Hill House with the family, and we sat down and there was like a family band there playing the singing bowls and the piano. The the house felt alive in a way that typically people would not describe it best.
SPEAKER_00Yes, and I I think uh uh and again, we know I'm naive, I guess, and maybe this is just me being naive and rainbows and butterflies, but I feel like the majority of people that we've interacted with and have spoken to, and even people that I've seen like talking about this stuff online, I would say, you know, a majority, it seems like people are br moving away from that form of investigating, and people are wanting to get weirder with things and try, you know, different experiments and try different ways of of being. You know, of course, still, yeah, you still have, you know, some, you know, stupid fucking bros that are going in trying to, I don't know, simulate traumatic events and doing stupid things like that. But I I guess maybe I'm just being optimistic, which is, you know, very uncharacteristic of me, I guess.
SPEAKER_03Well, I think we we're at a time where there is this sort of new era of of this coming. And what's funny about it, I have to attribute that to a lot of um UFO disclosure. Because you if you look at the time period, people people were wouldn't even just a few years ago before all this disclosure came out, before the government bruvs came out and literally said the word psionics and literally said that uh these things are being like psychically maneuvered and controlled, people would laugh you out of the room if you brought up psychic abilities. Now that's a conversation people have. Okay, so it's interesting. I think that that phenomenon, that disclosure, has opened things up. And then when that disclosure did come out and you start seeing serious researchers saying, Hey, uh, these UFOs, guess what? They're the same thing as your ghost, bro. Like they're the same thing as this. I think people are now more interested and curious. You top that with the fact that we all had a pandemic thing where I think we all felt very fucking mortal at that time, and I think the the the silver lining there was almost it unlocked people's minds to like, you know what, maybe there's more important things or there's more to this world than than my daily daily.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, and I think, you know, talking about you know, collective consciousness, I think that was a big wake-up call for a lot of people. And has, you know, you hear the people in the whatever spiritual space that they're like, oh, awakening and you know, the volunteers and whatever, you know, I don't know, whatever other shit the love and light girlies say. Um, but you know, I think that that was a big time of I guess awakening, if you want to call it that for a lot of people. And, you know, we see it across the board now too, even with like like witchcraft stuff. Like everybody is, you know, into that again. And I I understand that things come in waves and all of that, but but I do think that, as you said, you know, with the pandemic and everybody feeling a lot more mortal, uh, it does tend to make people a bit more existential and think about these things.
SPEAKER_03Controversial opinion on that, though. I think the spiritualist community has done more harm to spirit than good. I think, you know, there's these ideas that it's all about you and your abilities, and there's this idea that everything is love and light. And it's funny, we're sitting here talking about how we should look at things differently, yet we're talking about there is still this good and bad, right? This negative and positive. Uh could it be that what we're really battling when we go into a place that feels negative is quite literally just what others have put to it? I don't know. I don't think that's a good idea. And not only that, I mean, does it also show that if there is a place that has what you would call demonic uh entities or a dark being or something negative, that if you go in with love and light, there's this great quote from one of my favorite films, Natural Born Killers, which is only love can kill the demon.
SPEAKER_00I mean, yeah, and we've kind of talked about this not on an episode. I mean, I do think that's a possibility. However, is it gonna be like a, you know, one-time deal, like, all right, let's sit in this circle and sing kumbaya for five minutes and oh wow, we got rid of the demon, you know. I think it's gonna be a good thing. No, that's let's be very apparent about that. It'll be more m you know.
SPEAKER_03You have to spread a gospel message. Like you have to get more people thinking.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think it'll it'll have to be m more, you know, matching up to what the effort and energy and you know time that went into putting it there.
SPEAKER_03It's an evolution because I think that if there's uh uh 500,000 people that think a negative thing about a place and there's ten people that think a positive, well, the negative's gonna win every time. I I think it just takes an evolution of thought. I think it takes calling out in a lot of ways. Because I know that, yes, I am also a both and girly in a lot of ways, but I think differently. Like, I think that sometimes the the paranormal community sometimes needs to be like kind of slapped across the head a little bit and been like, what the fuck are you talking about? You're this is something that you are now creating uh problems around it.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think the problem is, and this is for any community, uh, whether it's paranormal or spiritual or uh fucking business. I don't know. What insert whatever community here. But I think people just need to like think a little bit more either.
SPEAKER_03But they also need to approach things I and I know it's gonna sound hippy-dippy of me, but uh approach it with love. And I don't mean love in the sense that that we think, but love of love of the thing, love of uh of uh your experience, love of of life, love of people around you.
SPEAKER_00And I think sure, because that come a certain like reverence comes with that, you know, and like respect, right? And I think, you know, obviously I know your thoughts in terms of like where you were getting out with people going in and like uh like when you were talking about the spiritual community, and like, oh, well, I can get rid of this ghost, or I'm the only one that can heal you, you know. And you always hear me say, I'm like, bruv, I'm not doing shit. Like, I'm the fucking medium in a literal sense. Like, I'm just here to facilitate, you know, I'm not doing anything. We're all medium. So it's like it's a reverence for it.
SPEAKER_03That's the other thing I don't like about that community as well, though, is I think that they they like to use that word. That's why I've never liked the word abilities, because I think it's something we all have. Some people could just naturally have it, some people have had experiences in life that have opened that up to them. Some people, it's gonna present themselves when it wants to. Yes, it's just a matter of developing the sketch. It's a synchronicity that you just brought that up about people saying, I'm gonna go get rid of this thing for you. I've said this for a long time, and it just reminds me of the conversation with Frankie yesterday where he's even said, like, no, no, no, this phenomenon can come and go at will. Like, who are we? That is if you think that, in my opinion, if you think that you can go into a place and make this phenomena go away because you're so powerful, you are feeding the beast, brother, because you are using ego.
SPEAKER_00Brother?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, brother, because that's ego. That is that is the the quickest way to remove yourself from the trueness of the phenomena, is that ego. And this is coming from me.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, and I mean that is also like we've talked before about, you know, all of the tests and studies and stuff that people have done with trying to like prove psychic ability and telepathy and uh mediumship and remote viewing and all that, but it can never really be shown with any sort of reliable repeatability. And I personally don't think it's meant to. I don't think it's supposed to. I don't think it works that way.
SPEAKER_03I yeah, yeah, you know, I think uh I am with you on that. And if you were to ask me right now, I'd probably say that, yeah, we're not meant to understand. I think we're meant to find meaning. I think we're meant to allow these experiences uh they can affect you in one of two ways. They can you can have them, um, and it can become very negative for you or very positive. I see no middle ground. I it to me, if you experience the phenomena and there's a middle ground, you're a YouTuber.
SPEAKER_00You're a fucking I want to be uh you're, you know, uh on the spectrum of sociopath, like you don't really have feelings.
SPEAKER_03No, I I don't know. I mean, because again, a person like that isn't born that way. They they have that because of experiences that happen to them. So they have feelings. People forget that the word sociopath gets thrown around a lot these days on memes, and I think it's real interesting. Like if it's a real mental illness, that's something that we should not take so lightly.
SPEAKER_00But I think it has a new name now. What? I think it's uh oh something personality disorder. Antisocial personality disorder.
SPEAKER_02Antisocial is like that's like Ted Bundy shit.
SPEAKER_00I'm pretty sure that's the new name. Like how they like to re-rename things. I I think I don't know. Don't fucking quote me. I'm not a goddamn psychiatrist.
SPEAKER_03If this fucking society wants to keep renaming things and adding words, taking away words, how about doing it with positivity? And and and don't just make it some newer, scarier fucking word and be like, oh, now it's even worse because now we've added antisocial to that.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think that was the intent behind do doing that, is because sociopath has connotations. But anyway, that is neither here nor there. I think it's similar to like how you were saying, I don't like the word ghost or haunted or medium or whatever. It's because of the connotations and the meaning that are already associated and attached to the language that just needs to change because and I understand where it comes from.
SPEAKER_03It's like angels and demons. We've talked about this. These things exist, okay? They exist, proven. Don't Proven. But do we refer to them now as UFOs, like they did angels and demons back then? It's the language change and it's a cultural shift. And I think we need a new language for the paranormal because that's going to help us engage it better. It's going to help us understand it better. And it I think it's going to help just the spiritual space better.
SPEAKER_00Well, unfortunately, there is not a Webster's paranormal dictionary, but if you would like to create one with all of your new words that you create a feel better fitting for you that we can disseminate to the paranormal community. Yeah, the paranary. That's not like a bird, really.
SPEAKER_03You see how we're already slowly becoming a cult. What are your thoughts? Because we did. So let's sum this up uh very simply. I know we we we went off the rails, but guess what? I did warn you when you said that you wanted to add down the rabbit hole episodes on RGO that uh I'm gonna be down the rabbit hole.
SPEAKER_00Well, they're going down the rabbit hole in regards to the investigation, which we just did.
SPEAKER_03So all of this, though, literally, you have to think about these kinds of things. We can't just leave it at the investigation. We want to look at it. I mean, I take it all the way to people on the moon communicating with us. So, but regardless, regardless, with this place, one thing that we noticed that we can say, went to this place, a lot of captured phenomena that you don't even typically get when you go to your like big, severe haunted places.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_03Everything though, kind of in a positive, warm light. Well, yeah, and I think that's my But also no real haunted history that should be causing this.
SPEAKER_00Right. And I think that is really the big thing for me with this investigation is yes, it was a string of synchronicities as to how we even got here, but I think it was for a reason because I think it is showing us it's very along the lines of kind of the the way that we are thinking about these things and the way that our thoughts are changing and developing over time. And it's like, you know, okay, we went into this location that doesn't have any traumatic history or any scary, awful things that have happened, right? So can a place that really has, you know, love and positivity and this, you know, beautiful energy and people who are serving their community and being helpful and just being wonderful, kind humans, can a place like that be quote unquote haunted or whatever you want to call it, you know? Can we capture things there? Will we have experiences there? Will we be able to communicate here, right? Definitively, yes, we found that out. And I think that this also leads to, well, opens up a lot of new channels for us in the sense that, yes, this is gonna be a perfect lead-in to our next investigation series, which is gonna be Mississippi, which you've already said gets much weirder.
SPEAKER_03You think is going to be not only the most different uh episode that's ever been on RGO, but you think maybe one of the coolest?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think definitely one of the coolest, and also the most interesting because we're taking these threads now, and it's outside of the norm, right? It is outside of the paranormal box of here's a location, something bad happened here. Now there's hauntings and people getting scratched and whatever. Now I'm gonna go in and try to investigate, right?
SPEAKER_03Can I tell you the secret that we've uncovered?
unknownWhat's the secret?
SPEAKER_03And this is gonna be funny. Now, this is you're you're gonna wanna give me a witty comeback on this. I know you are, but this is this is obvious to me. Our ego is not in the way, and I think most people that look at this, their ego's in the way. Most people is this we are here to prove something. We are here to do this. We, we, we, we. Well, sure. Versus like, we want to connect with whatever is going on.
SPEAKER_00We're just here like, we don't know what the fuck is going on. But I mean, I can see your I can see your point because it's like when you're going into a location like this, there are no preconceived expectations, right? There's no, you're not going in being like, okay, well, in this cell, uh, if you're a pretty girl and you walk in, you're gonna get scratch. And in this room over here, if you uh play poker with them, your REM pod is gonna go off. And right over here around the corner, we have blah blah blah. You know, there's no preconceived things. And so when you're going, it's that to bring it all back to our Patreon people will get this, the creativity book, right? The creative act, um, which another string of synchronicities led you to. Uh, one of the things that they talk about in there is keeping and maintaining that sense of like childlike wonder and how important that is for this sense of creativity, but also getting downloads, having new ideas, which all related to paranormal things, right? Because then that's gonna help with the activity and you know, et cetera, et cetera.
SPEAKER_03So I mean, yeah, why do you think that when people meditate, they're able to get this? It's very simple. If I have a hard drive and it's got a terabyte worth of information on it, and I use it all up, well, the hard drive doesn't work anymore, and it is not going to allow more data to come in until I free it up, right? Uh I was actually listening today, it was interesting. There was a uh guy talking about this experiment people have been doing where if you take a hard drive that's full and you weigh it, you measure it, like the the weight, and then you get all the data off, it can be lighter, which shows that it's matter data, these zeros and ones, binary code. Um, so I think where I was going with that is there's data all around us. I think it's how you approach it. I think the ego thing, though, when I what I mean by that is not even about um oh, we're gonna do this and the REM pod's gonna go off. It's about we are going in because we somehow have control over this thing. We don't have control over that. Okay, that's been proven time and time again. We don't control the phenomena, I assure you. But when you get rid of the ego and you let it be kind of the author, and you are one of its characters experiencing it.
SPEAKER_00You listen to the signs of the universe.
SPEAKER_03Shit opens up. We make this joke all the time, but yeah, I dare say, um I I wouldn't we are we are less egotistical, both you and I are, than we were a year ago, I can tell you that much. Um but I don't think we've ever been egotistical in the sense that a lot of people actually are, and that might be an egotistical thing to say. But we get rid of ourselves when we're doing these things, and look at the shit that opens up for us.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, I mean, I think it's just approaching things from that mindset of curiosity. And wonder there's a lot to be said for that, of bringing it back to that childlike sense of wonder.
SPEAKER_03We are definitely children. Um, yeah, we're you take medicine with applesauce, you take your medicine with applesauce.
SPEAKER_00Because it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
SPEAKER_03Yes, I am a toddler. You put the applesauce in there.
SPEAKER_00You cannot take pills.
SPEAKER_03You take the Advil, you you you deposit it, you don't place it, you drop it on the thing like that, and it drops. And what's funny is when the pill hits the applesauce, this is what always sticks in my mind. It does, it like stops. Like it hits the applesauce and doesn't move. It's hard to explain because it's there. And then you take a little bite and then you put your applesauce back. I'm like, son of a bitch.
SPEAKER_00Like I'm a literal toddler.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's the key to all this.
SPEAKER_00Take your meds, just be a fucking toddler.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I also recommend uh macaroni and cheese craft, obviously, but hot tip get some peas, mix some peas into it. That's real good.
SPEAKER_03You're a mac and cheese girly, I'm a fucking ice cream and cookies girly.
SPEAKER_00I had mac and cheese like three times last week for lunch.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like Nicole has to lock up sweets in the house because it'll be like 3 a.m. I'll wake up and I will scratch it.
SPEAKER_00I told you I was gonna get one of those fucking lock boxes that parents put in the fridge to like lock their treats up in so the kids don't eat them. I'm gonna have to get one of those for my fucking treats because you if it has sugar in it, it's gone.
SPEAKER_03You're gonna eat it. I'm pretty sure that there is a a medical ailment that causes people to sleep eat. And uh I I'm just gonna blame that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, okay. Except I know you're not actually a sleep. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, I you got me there.
SPEAKER_00Jig is up, buddy.
SPEAKER_03And well, and look, I think to conclude all that, I wanna I wanna say that, yeah, we say the childlike wonder this and that. But I also uh really, really want to stress the fact that A, go to this place if you're an investigator. Don't taint it in the sense that don't go in there kicking indoors, don't go in looking for trouble, right? Or trouble might find you.
SPEAKER_00Go in curious and happy and loving.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_00And also bring a dog with you because they seemed to really like Hurricane.
SPEAKER_03Uh yeah, maybe.
SPEAKER_00I mean They said his name on the thing.
SPEAKER_03Again, though, I think if you were to that's a tough one because that will get me down the rabbit hole of is that coming from us and our mind or whatever. But take this away from it. Don't switch your approach to an artistic approach. We used to say uh an esoteric uh approach to the paranormal, and then the philosophical approach. I think artistic approach, that's that childlike wonder, that's that creativity. Where the fuck do we think creativity comes from? It comes from what you call a ghost, it comes from what used to be called the muse, it comes from infinite intelligence. The cloud is a good way to put it.
SPEAKER_00You download it from the Apple iCloud.
SPEAKER_03Connect to the internet.
SPEAKER_00Only $9.99 for terabyte of I don't I don't know what it's like. You don't know. Something stupid. Something stupid.
SPEAKER_03Fucking Apple. And uh go look up uh, you know, structures on the moon. But um God. Anything else in this house? I mean, it's a tough one to do a deep dive in because I do, I I I want people to go, but I don't.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, we we already, it's not it we released the episode.
SPEAKER_03So you know though what sucks about it is it's an it's a wonderful experiment house. If you were if we were any kind of real researchers, the experiment would be, since it's so not known in the paranormal community, telling people, hey, this has this very dark, sordid history. There was a murder most foul that happened here, and some little girl was murdered, blah blah blah blah. And see if they go in and get that. I bet they would. I bet they would. Because you know what's interesting people seeing a little girl there. I don't I don't even go so far as to say that's some sort of res uh residual, uh what they call residual haunting. If you imagine what is a little girl, it is an image, a symbol in many ways, of uh non-threatening, uh play, fun, happy, innocence. Maybe that's why so many people see that as an apparition.
SPEAKER_00Who fucking knows, bruv? But I think the real experiment actually is we should just well, I mean, we have done this before uh in our Patreon with our when we did our Halloween, like let's haunt a house. Oh, we did. Um, but just going places that are, you know, have literally zero reports of being haunted at all and do some experiments and try doing stuff.
SPEAKER_03If you're a listener, try that. Even if you're not a parental investigator, you and your friends or you and your significant other or you and your pet or just you and yourself, go now, children, and rent Airbnbs all around the country and project. Or just go sit at your fucking local coffee shop haunting them, and then maybe we'll have like the end of the movie Ghostbusters where all the ghosts are coming out of the street.
SPEAKER_00Wait, maybe I'll do that tomorrow. Go like co-work at a coffee shop and just like sit there with the SPI.
SPEAKER_03The problem with the coffee shop is you're dealing with too much data on a daily basis. Way too much data. I think there's too much data going on. People are going in, they're going out. You're literally dealing with information. When you go to a place like these old homes.
SPEAKER_00Oh, sure. So an Airbnb is gonna be the same thing because it's people coming in and out.
SPEAKER_03Correct. But when you're there, you're there alone. You're not there in the moment as the data is being fed to the the place, you see.
SPEAKER_00So you mean with like computers and such?
SPEAKER_03No, well, people.
SPEAKER_00You're not there with 30 other people in a drive-thru going So you're saying go places, but only if there's not other people.
SPEAKER_03You go to an Airbnb, there's not gonna be 30 people there. There's not gonna be a drive-thru with people coming up.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna go sit at the cemetery, bro. How do you think how you feel about that?
SPEAKER_03I think that no, I'll tell you how I feel about that. You can go to a cemetery and definitely get phenomena, but it makes zero sense that it would be what we define as a ghost because literally the ghost wouldn't be there because they left the body and then the body got taken there. So then like then we're saying that like the body that's ego.
SPEAKER_00It's like I just think there's ghosts everywhere. That's ego, though.
SPEAKER_03When people say graveyards are haunted, it's ego because they're looking at the body and what's important. The body means jack shit. You are not a ghost.
SPEAKER_00You're not a human body.
SPEAKER_03You are quite literally a spiritual being experiencing and this stupid fucking meat suit. I wouldn't call it stupid at all.
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, I just like am not you're gonna make me out myself on these pot. I'm just, you know, not a fan of the human experience.
SPEAKER_03I'm ready to go be like, I didn't I whoever coerced me to sign up for this, I know it was me, but that that is such a um that is a humanistic, egotistical, I think, way to look at it because you're looking at it from the lens of of how you feel about this infinite intelligence that is greater and much more than you or me or all of us put together. We are all connected. Let's try to remember that. Let's try to be a little bit more.
SPEAKER_00I know. I mean, we have different beliefs though, because I do, you know, think that reincarnation is a thing, and I do think that we are learning lessons and all of these things. I don't think you necessarily like believe in those things. I'm s listen, I'm sick of learning lessons. I'm sick of having to do the level ups, I'm sick of incarnations, I'm sick of okay, well, it's whatever you want to call it. We'll find out who's right when we die.
SPEAKER_03Because the lessons will probably need that. When people when people tell you that we're here to learn. Probably we go nowhere and there's nothing. When people tell you that we're here to learn lessons, guaranteed they typically have an idea of what lessons we're supposed to learn. That's ego, that's coming from them. I think when we look at uh reincarnation, yeah, I think that can be a thing for sure. Now I will tell you this that monks, ancient monks, have even said that, like, sure it happens, but it ain't supposed to, and it's very rare. I think if it does happen, I don't think it's again in the egotistical way that we look at it, which is us as ourselves reincarnating, but there's a piece of that infinite intelligence that we're a part of that is lingering in this thing because we're all connected and that's what we're getting.
SPEAKER_00You also know that I don't believe the full portion of the soul uh incarnates.
SPEAKER_03What do you mean?
SPEAKER_00Doesn't well this is I think that's a different topic for a different episode. We've talked about this thing right now. We've talked about this before. I don't think I think your soul, let's say if your soul is 100%, it's up in the fucking cloud, wherever, right? And you incarnate on earth, yes, it is here, but I don't think it's your full portion. It's like, I don't know, let's say it's not 25% or 50% or whatever percentage you want to be is like in me right now. But then when you're like, oh, my higher self. Okay, well, it's not it's not a you are welcome to have your own opinions and beliefs. I'm simply answering your question with these are mine.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, 100% of me is within you, 100% of you is within me, 100% of me is within all these people listening, 100% of them is within me as well.
SPEAKER_00I thought you're talking about something different than what I'm talking about. Yes, there's the whole everything's connected and the string theory and quantum physics. No, that has nothing to do with string theory.
SPEAKER_03String theory's been pretty much debunked, but like, no, that's not string theory. It's it's it's really not. It's connected in a way that you I think you're trying to ego it too much. You're trying to put it in a humanistic form. It you have to imagine everything as a mold of uh of all this paint. Look at a painting, a painting that you can look back at and see a picture, but what is all that? It's literally paint all together, molded all together on this one canvas that makes this image that we can see. I think you gotta go deeper than uh oh, a piece of us stays here, or a piece of us because I think we we remove ourselves from the equation, we can start to understand and interact with the phenomenon better.
SPEAKER_00Well, we'll find out when we're dead, huh?
SPEAKER_03Maybe. Maybe. Any other thoughts on Kate Shepard House but No, these poor bruvs that are like dying for more. Go listen to Parapeculiar. You'll get it. We'll we'll we we go off there. We're allowed to. Uh, but we're not coming up on an hour. Should we stop?
SPEAKER_00I mean, there's not a time limit here. The only reason we had time limits before was because bruv paying five hundred dollars for a goddamn half hour of an episode to get edited is a lot.
SPEAKER_03You're editing that out, by the way. We don't do that. Why? That's rude.
SPEAKER_00I mean we're not doing we don't have that anymore. We don't have to do that. That's why we used to.
SPEAKER_03Let's just get rid of that. Um, no for that. Get rid of that.
SPEAKER_00But uh so then I'm gonna get rid of your time limit because that's also we don't have time.
SPEAKER_03Clearly, like, you know. So, anyways. Um, no, that being said, I think again I'll say it go, go to the Kate Shepherd house, but please treat it with respect and um say hi to it for us.
SPEAKER_00Send us pictures.
SPEAKER_03Was that a hurricane?
SPEAKER_00I think that was a hurricane.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Was it?
SPEAKER_00I mean who fucking knows in this house.
SPEAKER_03Another episode down.
SPEAKER_00Okay, bye.
SPEAKER_03Okay, bye.
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