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45. The Real Thoughts Of... WTF is a Ghost??
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Since the beginning of this podcast, our understanding of the paranormal has evolved—a lot. The more cases we've investigated, the more research we've done, and the more experiences we've had, the less certain we are about what a "ghost" actually is. Are they the spirits of the dead? Residual energy? Interdimensional echoes? Plasmoids? Something even stranger?
In this episode, we're taking a step back to reflect on how our theories have shifted since we started The Real Ghosts Of… and where we stand now. We'll unpack the biggest revelations, the wildest possibilities, and why the question of what a ghost is might be more complicated than we ever imagined. If you think you know the answer… think again.
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SPEAKER_04Listen along as we couple in-depth historical research and paranormal investigative techniques with a sixth sense of the unknown. OMG Nicole WTF is a ghost. IRL. Okay, that was not me. Everyone listening. That was Nicole.
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SPEAKER_02Oh, shoot. You should shoot. Yeah, because I wanted to read that nice review that we just got, and I don't have my phone. So you can pull it up on your phone.
SPEAKER_04Uh is it on well, it's on Apple Podcasts because that is where you go to leave us a review.
SPEAKER_02Yes, I well, I th I think on Spotify you can start leaving reviews now, but Apple Podcasts.
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SPEAKER_02Um, yes, if you have not already and if you are liking what we are doing, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts because um it does very much help. It helps other weirdos be able to find us and it also just makes us happy and feel like we are not alone sitting here doing this. I I like to imagine that when we are recording these episodes, you are just imagining yourself like sitting across the dining room table here with us um chatting.
SPEAKER_04And how many times in your imagination when you're sitting across a table from us chatting, does it turn into a food fight?
SPEAKER_02Never. Um, but anyway, okay, so we have the review now, and also you that's her pup.
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SPEAKER_02Hurricane the parapup. He's scratching around. Hurricane, you're being a bad boy. Nah, he's a good boy. You need to go lay down in your spot. He's putting his head in my lap. It's real cute. Okay, I gotta read this review. Um, because it's so sweet. So uh Sophie Duval commented. She left us a review. She said, amazing.
SPEAKER_04Shelly Duval commented. Sophie. All right.
SPEAKER_02Sophie Duval left us a review. It says, No, I'm sorry, I don't watch movies. You know this. Um, I'm assuming that's what thought was was a movie reference.
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SPEAKER_02Yeah. So anyway, um, bruv, I'm reading shit about plasmoids from the Journal of Modern Physics instead of watching movies, okay? Okay. Pushes my glasses up. Smart.
SPEAKER_04Okay, so the big brain on the coal. You'll get that reference out of it.
SPEAKER_02Well, my coffee mug does say the boss. So okay.
SPEAKER_04Mine says spooky.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well, somebody has to be in charge here.
SPEAKER_04So I'm gonna get we I should get one that says the intern.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, actually, I think that would be good for you. Yeah. Somebody listening, please make that happen.
SPEAKER_04You are such a Michael Scott. That was a Michael Scott moment right now with your boss mug.
SPEAKER_02Well, he has the world's best boss.
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SPEAKER_02Um, but okay, anyway, sorry, we're ADG. Um, we need to drink this coffee much faster. But yes, Sophie Duvall left us a comment. It says, amazing, says, I found this podcast after listening to the night owl. Very happy to have found this. I started from the beginning and I enjoy the evolution. I just want to say, honestly, I know that's like it's like, you know, a couple sentences, but especially saying I started from the beginning and I enjoy the evolution. I appreciate that so much. And this is something that we actually were just, we literally were just talking about this off-air, but I am. I'm just gonna share it because I know um, you know, RGO, like the format has changed quite often. Um, and so just a little, you know, behind the scenes, the real, real go sub, get real with the the real ghost of. Um, you know, obviously, especially if you've been here since the beginning or you've started since the beginning, there has been an also an evolution of um, you know, who has been on the podcast and who's been doing episodes. And so, like in the beginning, um, Devin was the one actually putting together the episodes and kind of formatting them, doing all of that. And then um, then I think I I did I did the moonshines ones, um, and then it switched over to Taylor was doing them for a while, and then, you know, for since then it's basically been me um doing them. But I never really went into this with a like, this is, you know, a clear vision of like this is the format that I want it to be, this is how I want the episodes to go, you know. I've and they've changed because I wanted to You just wanted an excuse to go tromp around spooky places. Yeah, I I came into this. The only thing I came into this knowing is that I wanted to go on investigations and I wanted to practice, you know, I wanted to practice mediumship and see what I was getting right. Um, I never went in with a clear vision for, you know, how the episodes would be. And I very much I I just always want have wanted them to be like I want it to take you on the journey with us and you feeling like you're there with us, you know. So that's why some of the episodes, it's like, oh, it starts with the history and then we go into this, or you know, we start with the investigation and then we hear the hippet the history, which is exactly how it would have been when we were there, you know. So anyway, it's uh we've been f fuck fucketh arounding and findeth outing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's interesting because you've always wanted this podcast to feel like you get in the car willingly with us and come along the ride. Whereas our other podcast, parapeculiar, is we forcibly throw you in the trunk and we start the car and we go.
SPEAKER_02No, I think parapeculiar is you're here, like three glasses of wine and with us chilling at the coffee table. RGO is yeah, I want you to feel like you've hopped in the car with us and gotten on. And we did even try that for a little bit of we recorded. I don't remember if they ever aired because the audio ended up being like there was a lot of interference, but we did on the way back from some investigations, we put our mics on and just talked about it. So it would feel like you were literally in the car. But anyway, all that to say, thank you so much. And I very much appreciate that, and I appreciate you appreciating um what we're doing. And if you are also appreciating what we're doing, please go leave go leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Um, and you know, it just makes our day, it makes us real happy and gives me a smile.
SPEAKER_04Tell all your family about us too.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, to spread help us spread the word because that is, you know, how we feel not like two weirdos just sitting here talking to ourselves.
SPEAKER_04Which we are.
SPEAKER_02Oh, we ultimately we are. We have hurricane here though, too.
SPEAKER_04Which leads us to the fact that that's what we're gonna talk about today, right?
SPEAKER_02Like is Yeah, our the evolution and our thinking specifically on what is a ghost. L O L W T F is a ghost. BRB I see why I'm not just what the fuck is a ghost.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, what is a ghost? That is such a wild topic to unpack.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it is. Um, and this is also, you know, if you if you have not listened to the episode prior to this one where we're talking about plasmoids, um, make sure you listen to that one because it is kind of tied in. And I wanted to make sure we did that episode and talked about those things and some of the research because that definitely has played in a lot, I think, to where we're at currently. And this is something I don't know, do I feel like if you asked us like even once a month, we might have a different reply, you know, as to what the fuck is a ghost. So it's a constant evolution, it's constantly changing. We're taking you along on the journey with us, but we never have done a sit-down episode on RGO, like discussing our thoughts on this, and just, you know, since the beginning of RGO to now, I mean it has changed very significantly. So I think it's worth a um giving our the real thoughts of.
SPEAKER_04The real thoughts of the real thoughts of the real ghosts of. Yeah. The real thoughts of the real bros. The real bros. Um of but I think it's important when we talk about this and unpack it, right? Well, first we're gonna start with this. Any answer we give you, any theory that we give you is probably wrong.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I don't I don't think and I mean, you know, we don't know y'all have heard me say this. No one knows nobody actually knows.
SPEAKER_04But I think when we do dive into this, it's important to start way, way, way far back. So we have to understand the idea of a ghost, and we're gonna define that in so many ways, but has been with us uh since antiquity, obviously. So I want to start with the world's oldest known drawing of a ghost. This was discovered on a 3,500-year-old Babylonian clay tablet, and it is at the British Museum. I've actually seen it in person. It depicts a bearded man being led to the afterlife by a woman. Hot stuff. And it is part of a guide to exercising unwanted spirits. Okay. This is what's cool, the discovery of it. The drawing on the tablet is very faint, and it's only visible under certain light. So we didn't see this thing forever, but it was first identified by Dr. Irving Finkel, curator of the Middle East Department of Good old Dr.
SPEAKER_02Finkel, you know.
SPEAKER_04Um it's uh believed to have been used as a guide to help the living remove unwanted spirits by aiding them to settle unfinished business. Think about that.
SPEAKER_02The OG guide to cleansing your shit.
SPEAKER_04Well, it just shows that that whole ideology of what we're looking at here in this idea of unwanted spirits or pa m moving or passing on, or you know, that's sticking around, if you will. That's been with us after death being guided to the afterlife by something else, you know. But that was the fur that's the oldest depiction we have. 3,500-year-old uh tablet, Babylonian tablet. So we'll start there. And if we think about one of the very first, if not the very first haunted house story. Not Python, I got you you can look this up, but it's in Greece, and it was the account of someone who was hearing like chains rattling and moaning, very old school um kind of paranormal activity, sort of that world. Um so this has been with us forever. Ghosts, paranormal phenomenon. But when we ask ourselves what is it, I think the the definition that com commonly accepted. Commonly accepted is just somebody died, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Somebody died and now their spirit is here. Yeah. Um, and even to take that, you know, a little bit further, because I've always kind of thought that there's maybe a difference, like I, you know, would refer differently to like a ghost versus a spirit, you know, ghost meaning like somebody has passed away and they're still with us, you know, kind of in this plane of existence. Um, and a spirit meaning, you know, that somebody died, but they've kind of crossed on to I don't know, whatever the fuck that means. But um, so that's kind of the you know what most people are typically referring to.
SPEAKER_04Typically referring to. So let's start here, Nicole. Like, if I were to ask you right now, point blank, after excuse me, we've been doing this for so long, and at this point, what do you think a ghost is?
SPEAKER_02Okay, I'm sorry, I have to ADD for a second because I think it's you hear the candle. Yeah, they can't we have a wood-white candle burning, so that's what you hear.
SPEAKER_04It's not um Which by the way, it's by this really radical brand, Squatch. Squatch. And they've got like a little Bigfoot Little Sass Squatch. Little sassy, little sass squatch on there, little sassy squatch.
SPEAKER_02Um so anyway, yeah. So what do I current presently think think is a ghost? Um well, you know, I'm both and girly. Sure. Okay. So I have always believed that like, yeah, sure, I don't think it's as common um for somebody to say die and you know become a ghost in the sense of what we just talked about. I think that's much more rare. I think predominantly people will pass, you know, pass away and they go on to whatever the beyond is, you know. Um, however, after talking about plasmoids and going down that rabbit hole, I am very interested in the idea of how we have like, you know, perhaps our consciousness, our soul, what people might refer to it as does end up turning into this little, you know, plasma ball. Like maybe that is our soul, and then it kind of goes off into the ether.
SPEAKER_04Um well, plasma is literally like over 95% of our reality. People don't realize that when you get into plasma physics, it it talks about it's everywhere, it's invisible, it's everywhere.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. So I I do like that idea, but even if we're talking about that, you know, that still could be because even, you know, in some of the stuff we were referencing, it's talking about maybe these things are extra-dimensional, and you know, I'm a big like extra-dimensional, like time slip girly. Um, so I feel like the plasmoids, it might just be giving more of a like uh like how this all works, you know. So I I think that it could still be possible for say like somebody to pass on, and they're kind of still like in this plane of existence, doing whatever the fuck maybe they do then move on. It's just in this form that we're f more familiar with with this like plasmoid, you know. Um but I don't know, I do also still really like the extra-dimensional sort of idea, yeah. Yeah, the inner dimensional of that maybe some of this like like shadows specifically, you know, maybe we're just kind of seeing the shadows of like, you know, somebody's walking around in this other dimension or you know, things like that. So I am I'm not gonna have a like this is what this is. Like, I'm going to tend to believe. Sorry, I I had startled Hurricane by tapping on the table.
SPEAKER_04You think someone's knocking at the door?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he's on alert now.
SPEAKER_04So if you're listening and you plan on breaking into the powerhouse, you're gonna get fucked because he'll get you. He'll get you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he will he will. Um he is a good guard dog, he is. But anyway, so yeah, I think it's you know, it's gonna be a compilation of different an amalgamation of different things for me.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_02I will say the thing that I do feel the most certain of is like when everybody, you know, when we move on, whatever. I do believe that, and maybe it is plasmoids because in my head I've always seen it as like, I don't know, kind of like an amorphous, like light bean type deal, which I guess would be the soul essentially.
SPEAKER_04There's a lot of accounts too that people have said describing precisely that, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like light beans. It it's so funny because I even like uh this is a random aside of a story, but when I was first starting, you know, mediumship and connecting with my spirit guides and blah blah blah, one of them, and I had never heard of this shit before, okay? And I'm seeing this fucking amorphous light blob, whatever, dude, you know, and I'm like, what the fuck is this?
SPEAKER_04I'm fucking amorphous light blob, dude.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. And I was like, I have I'm like thinking, like, did somebody like drug me and I just don't realize this? Like, I don't know what's happening right now, you know. And even when I was trying, like, what's your name? It's like names aren't important, but if you need to call me something, you can call me the, you know, I was like, what the hell is going on? So anyway, it was just, you know, just a fun story. Um, so that's how I've always seen them. But anyway, bringing that to you, the thing that I do feel the most certain of is you know, after we pass on, I do believe in, you know, reincarnation and the whole like earth as a school and learning things. Don't don't ask me why and what the purpose of that is, because a lot of people say the purpose is to, you know, reconnect with source and then it all becomes one, you know, the the network, the cloud, universal consciousness, God, whatever you want to call it. Um, that. And I'm like, I don't know, why do I just want to be back part of that? Like, what's the point? But anyway, that I do feel confident that that happens. There's like little like soul families, soul groups, and you know, we reincarnate, and there's people that we come back with, and having, you know, multiple lives, and like I do, I definitely believe that that is a thing.
SPEAKER_04But it's a lot to impact, isn't it? You know, it's a lot to unpack and it's a lot to try to define um articulately articulate.
SPEAKER_02Everything I just said is probably wrong, so who knows?
SPEAKER_04Well, no, I think it's I think it's right, Path, for sure. I think, you know, when we look at this and ask ourselves, like, you know, what is it? Like, and keep in mind when we say like, what is a ghost, like we're kind of using that word ghost as a blanket term, right? As like the phenomena, paranormal phenomena. Like, what is an intelligent phenomena that seems to be spectral, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I think that's what we both have kind of started saying more recently in terms of like, oh, yeah, or like this seems intelligent, or you know, like an like energy.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you know, I think for me, the and and the way this is kind of evolved in my brain is I can tell you, A, what I don't, what I hope it's not, and then what I think is going on, what I hope is not, is that kind of classic definition where you know a lot of people will talk about you know, a restless spirit that is stuck in a time and place and is communicating with us and typically seems like a really depressing existence. There's a lot of sorrow and tragedy and pain, and they're uh uh essentially stuck to this one place. And look, I I I don't think that's what's going on, but since I couldn't give you a definitive answer, then I it could be. I fucking hope not.
SPEAKER_02And see, this is something that we've gone back and forth a lot on, and I'm like, I'm still just like, you know, selfishly mad that I haven't convinced you that that is not the case. Because I feel like in that is essentially what we would, you know, have come to define as or know as like purgatory, essentially. Sure. You know, I think that and that it's a whole other episode on like how spirits can end up that way, whatever.
SPEAKER_04At least actually an episode we should do because the work of Diane Pasulka showed that the Catholic Church got rid of purgatory for a while. Anyways, what I think is going on, the best way to describe it and to try to define it is I really see a correlation between the way that we design, build, and think of technology around existence and humans and the way we've evolved and everything else. I am very much an intelligent design girly, okay? I am. And think of a computer and you sit down and you're there at your desktop or whatever, and you have all these files on the computer that when you're looking at your desktop, they're not there. You can't see them, you can't interact with them, but they're there. The information is there. And if you want to tap into these files, you open the folder, you click on it, there it is. So the information is there, albeit hidden if not being utilized. I truly believe that all of this that it can almost be summed up.
SPEAKER_02You have to download it as that.
SPEAKER_04I think I use the word the network a lot. Yeah, um, you can say Akashic Records, you can say source. It doesn't matter what the word is. I I refer to it as the network.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we kind of see it all as like interchangeable.
SPEAKER_04And when I started looking at some of these people, Jack Parsons was a big one. Jack Parsons is the founder of Rocketry, and a lot of people don't realize this, but he was convinced that the way to learn how to build rockets and to make that work for us was to tap into this world. So he was going out in the desert doing like um Alistair Crowley rituals, rituals, these wrong rituals downloads, trying to get downloads, which he fucking got. Yeah, which is and we now have rockets. And this guy was a wild dude. He died because he blew himself up in an experiment in his backyard.
SPEAKER_02But he was going to these crazy, like sex magic parties and like Yeah, and this is something, you know, you see like I went down the rabbit hole for a minute on this of you know, these people who have they they called on like protocols for getting in tune with the network, you know, and it's really interesting because you see these things across disciplines. So we have this bro over here. There's a bunch of there's a bunch of really smart, you know, high-level like CEOs, whatever people that do this. You see it in a lot of the creative fields, bringing it to the creative act, the book that we've talked about.
SPEAKER_04Creative act, but when Diane Pasolka brought this up, this was profound for me. She talks about Jimi Hendrix and a lot of these people, movers and shakers in the artistic world, and how Jimi Hendrix, she thinks, knew what he was doing, tapping in to this network and going to see him live. He called it the electric church. It was not like going to see a musician. You were going and having a fucking experience. And you can get as good as you want technically on the guitar, but you will never do what he did. And it's because of this spiritual component. She thinks he knew exactly what he was doing, tapped into this network. It's the same thing when people say the muse. These these these uh artistic creative things that just hit you. Yeah, that's a download. It's a download from the network. Yeah. And this is also proven in many ways because you have the hundredth monkey sort of idea, which is if a culture somewhere like picks up on an idea and starts doing it a thousand miles away, that same idea seems to manifest as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and this is something that you know coming As someone with a creative background, like I've always been in the arts. I'm not a STEM girly, though I do, you know, I love reading science articles, but cannot do it myself. But anyway, um, the it is something that it's very known that when you have an idea, you know, it's like, well, if you don't act on it, like it is that idea's time. So if you don't act on it, somebody else is going to. And then, you know, let's say you had this amazing book idea, whatever, and then a year from now you're gonna pick up this book in the bookstore and you're reading it, and it's your same fucking storyline, even down to maybe some of the characters' names are the same, you know. So it's like it was that idea's time. And if you are not gonna listen to it and take action and be the steward of that idea, like somebody else is going to.
SPEAKER_04So all that to say, I think that is what's happening when we interact with a ghost. What I mean, I think there's a network, I think there is a level of consciousness. I can't remember the philosopher's name, it may have been Plato. I'm so sorry that I can't give the name, but that said the total number of minds in the world is one. And if we think about this idea of this universal consciousness that's all connected, I believe that everything in the past, present, potentially future, is there in this network. It's information. Think of it. Stored in the cloud. Think of it like a computer. It's bits of information. I think when we interact with an intelligent being that we're getting intelligent responses from that most people would look at and say, okay, we're dealing with the soul of a dead person. They are intelligent. I don't I don't think that's what's happening. I think we are tapped in to this network and it's being presented and shown to us in a GUI interface way, a la Windows XP versus Windows 95, right? And it's showing us this in a way, in a filter that we can understand and communicate with.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and see, this is where so I definitely agree in terms of you know the intelligent design, the network. I prefer the cloud, um, consciousness, universal consciousness, whatever you want to call it. I definitely believe in that. And I do think that what you're saying, that you know, sometimes like like mediumship, if we're doing a reading, whatever, this is kind of what we're pulling from. I do think that that can be the case sometimes. And we talked about this once before because it's interesting, like as a medium, um, for somebody, like when I'm doing these readings, it's interesting because for me, like it feels different. Like it feels different to me, like when I know, and that's why I was differentiating saying between, you know, on this plane of existence versus like has crossed over, like crossed over, meaning like no longer on this plane. I don't know, they're up in the fucking clouds with Sky Daddy or whatever you want to call it, you know. Um, but it feels different to me. Like I'm not, it is not the same as like it doesn't feel like I'm communicating with an intelligent entity per se, like grandma's standing in the corner or whatever. You know, it feels very far away. It feels like I am just like receiving the information, you know, it feels very much like, oh, like I'm pulling from like their like memories or whatever, you know.
SPEAKER_04Um, like it just it feels different to me versus like, say, I don't know, an investigation or something, and there's the you know, ghost of whoever that's the fair or however you want to say even then though, I think that's what's happening because of a few things is the different experiments that that you and I have looked into. I mean, uh obviously everyone's heard me and you talk about the Phillip experiment and there's the Skull experiment, and there's all these different things the Philip experiment is a whole different episode. It is. But well, the point being, if we can create an entity and give it this backstory and this history, and this thing is now communicating with us, that's interesting to me because I think we're never actually tapped into what we consider a person's a spirit. I think we are tapped into the network, and I think it's it all depends on what we're clicking on. So here's another thing to think about. We've seen this time and time again. Where there's someone who does not believe that what we are saying is possible or that it exists, they will be in a group of people that all experience a phenomenon, auditory, uh, visual, and this person doesn't experience it. So I liken that to sitting in front of the computer again. If you're sitting in front of the computer and you click on the folder that says information, then boom, that folder pops up. You have all these other folders, you start clicking on ones, now you're getting this information. Versus if I'm sitting at the computer, I don't click on any folders, all I see is the desktop. But the information's still there.
SPEAKER_02Sure. I well, I feel like that is, I mean, for me, like that specific scenario, I'm like, well, it's just their reticular activating system because they've trained it to like, no, I'm not gonna see this stuff. If you don't believe in it, your brain's gonna tune it out.
SPEAKER_04Well, yes, but then that begs the question of how important it is for us when it comes to these things manifesting. And then it also, when I started looking more into this idea of the network, excuse me, I started looking at people, Jack Parsons, uh, who by the way was hanging out with L. Ron Hubbard a lot, who was the founder of Scientology, who's wild shit. Um, but I started looking at some of the stuff Diane Pasolka was doing and some of the people she was running around with. And there's this guy in her book, uh, American Cosmic, that she he's a huge CEO uh in like AI and rocketry and things, wealthy dude, but he is constantly tapping into this network. He does it through ways like no caffeine, he gets water in the morning, goes out in the sun right away. But he's doing all these protocols using nutrition and visualization meditation to tap into this network so that he and he's doing it so that he can get more ideas for patents.
SPEAKER_02Which is also interesting because when I was going through down the rabbit hole, you know, and looking at all these different people that have these like protocols for tapping and whatever, you know, all these things you're just listing off. It is also very similar to when you hear about like people who are like very serious mediums in doing this work, it's all the same shit. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and I think that's that's important because when you start looking at these people that are tapping into this thing and they have no, they're not running around quote quote ghost hunting, right? But they are really looking at what the phenomena is, it starts to line up and make sense that it's probably less I I know we can't say like for sure because we don't have the answers, but I uh my theory I think is more in the right realm of it's not that we are dealing with I mean but no, but it you when you look at the research being done, and if you look, if you just study paranormal phenomena in general and the way it shifts through cultures, people, time, and everything else, it it's always about us. You've heard me talk about the triangle theory that I've that I talk about, which is the the connection between the entity or the being or the network, us and the technology we use to do it. And I think we are so tapped into true reality, true source, and all that we see is what gets us through this existence. That when we see a ghost, when we encounter paranormal phenomena, even poltergeist activity, which I believe comes from our own energies, we manifest that. Yeah, I think that's the same thing as tapping into the network just in a less controlled way. When we're creating stuff accidentally, like poltergeist activity, right? Through trauma emotions, but all this stuff's happening around us, it's being generated from us through our fear, through our traumas, through our you know, energy. But you're in a way tapped into that network, but in an uncontrolled way, you don't know what's going on, so it gets worse and crazy.
SPEAKER_02Well, yeah, I mean I think everybody is just tapped into the network in some way, shape, or form, and just like mediumship. Some people are naturally more tapped in um than others. So I think, you know, and correct me if I'm wrong, but what I'm hearing from you, I think the main area in where we differentiate is you are more so looking at this all as like it is all the network, the cloud, whatever, and everything is one type deal. Versus I I believe, like the way that I see it is there's individuals, like say the individual plasmoid balls, if you will. Um, there's individuals, and then eventually, yes, they do can, they can, um, do, will, whatever, um, eventually get kind of back like reabsorbed into this cloud network, whatever. Um, but I think that there, and not for all, not saying for all, but I think for some, there is an individual state first before kind of absorbing back into this. And so that individual state for me would be what more so accounts for like the the more so like the in what we would refer to as like an intelligent haunting, yeah, right? Um, something that is, you know, in real time communicating back with us, or you know, what we're saying having a back and forth conversation with. Not to say that we can't have a back and forth conversation with something from you know the network too.
SPEAKER_04But I think that you're you're you're close to what I'm saying, and I want to elaborate on one thing. So where we it seems like we're different, but we are kind of the same in the thinking here is this. When I say tapped into the network, like let's say that uh I'm no longer here and you're doing a seance to contact me. Let's say that I come through. Are you communicating with me? Both yes and no. What I mean by that is I believe that every one of my memories, my emotions, my actions, because let's remember that our thoughts have vibration. They probably have gravity, their own sense of gravity, but they have vibration for sure. Those thoughts become our words, which definitely have vibrations, which go out to the environment, which then typically turn into actions, which obviously have vibrations as well. All of these vibrations, frequencies, uh affect the reality around me, and I believe they affect the past, present, and future. And I think when we tap in and we're talking to an intelligent, quote, ghost, for the lack of a better term, we are tapped into that essence. So if I came through in a seance, you'd be tapped into the network, but you'd be channeling me. I would be like the folder that you clicked on the desktop icon, and now you're going through and looking through the information from the folders. That's what I think.
SPEAKER_02Sure. And I mean, I I agree, like I think that's happening too. And I think that's what you're talking about is kind of what I'm referring to when I'm saying, like, okay, if I'm like doing a reading for somebody and you know, their person has passed on, that's the way that I view it for sure. You know, and this kind of goes to like you've heard me talk about before, like soul fragments and stuff, and how like when we come to earth or you know, incarnate, whatever. I do not believe that like 100% of our soul um consciousness, you know, insert whatever you want to call it here, but I don't believe that 100% of that is like in this physical body right now. Okay, great point. I believe a portion of it stays up, you know, in the network.
SPEAKER_04Great point. I think a lot of people have a hard time wrapping their head around that because as humans, we do have the ego side of us, which makes us feel very um uh like we are us and that is it, right? So, but I to your point, I think, let's say when we die, I don't think that our call it spirit, soul, consciousness, whatever, just all goes to one place. I think it goes everywhere. Everywhere. So yeah, I think if even if you're communicating with me, or even if a piece of me reincarnates into uh another person, that I still think that the rest of me is in this network and all around, because the network is everything.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think I mean we're kind of saying the same thing, but in different words, I think. You know, I just for me to humanize it, I guess, um I think of it as like soul fragments, you know. And so like when people are saying, like, oh, I'm going to, you know, I want to like communicate with my higher self or whatever, like that's in my head, I'm like, okay, that's your like portion of your soul that's still up in the network, you know, and this also would account for how um, you know, sometimes people can talk about like the reincarnation stuff and say, you know, like, oh, this person came back as this person, whatever. But like, well, if my my brother who passed away now came back as my son, but I do this seance and a medium is talking to my brother, like, how is that possible? You know, I think that's the soul fragment part of it. And so, like you're saying, you know, that like collective consciousness of like all of our memories and blah, blah, blah. You know, it's like the hard drive for a computer that all gets uploaded to the cloud, right? And so that is all stored there. Um, however, that soul fragment. So, like, let's say I die today, right? Um, and by whatever circumstance, because I think that's a whole other conversation as to, you know, the purgatory and how people can get trapped here, at least based on what I think. Um, my personal opinions, you know, uh, if a a fragment of my soul is still like on this physical plane of existence, um, you know, as say an intelligent ghost, what we might refer to as, like, I still I don't know, I think that's the individual part for me. And again, like I think that that's more rare in the grand scheme of things, like when we were looking at like, oh, this amount of people die and this amount become, say, a ghost. Like I'm talking about like that individual piece of it before it kind of re-uploads to the cloud fully.
SPEAKER_04I think though, what if if we get rid of the physical plane part of it, because there won't always be the physical plane here, because I do believe that when I say consciousness, I'm not just talking about like confined to like our earth. I think it stretches out into the cosmos. I think we are a part of this ever-expanding galaxy, right? Like, so I think when we talk about the physical plane and being stuck here, well, what happens when the sun eventually eats planet Earth? Then where are they stuck? I I think that is the the interesting question. And I think when we get rid of the physicality part, the materialist part of existence, I think then we really go into this world of, well, are we all, you know, like as Carl Sagan said, you know, star stuff, and are we connected to this sort of to the cosmos in this sort of spiritual way?
SPEAKER_02Well, yeah, and I definitely agree with that. But you know, when you're talking about like, okay, when you know the sun explodes and the earth is no longer, okay, but then you start to looking at, you know, like the holographic universe or like different timelines and blah blah blah. So even if at some point, you know, for us there is no longer a physical earth, like is that still the case in say different um dimensions or spiritual timelines or whatever, you know, it's exactly like people will talk about like um okay, like Galvez, right? Like the those two rooms, it it was broken up into two rooms, but what I was seeing was like, oh, they're standing kind of like in between the wall, like half in, half out, you know. I didn't know what I was seeing, but then come to find out that all eventually was one room. So to them, that still existed. So it's like even though to us it may not exist, like I think somewhere it probably still does.
SPEAKER_04But think about this though, think about the meditative power of our intent. When you and I went to Hotel Galvez and we went to that room specifically to investigate the ghost, the apparent ghost of Audra. So if we have that intention uh in us, then we are tapping into a specific portion, story, potential story of a potential history.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Right? And then I think that makes it easier because you did. And I don't I don't know if we've ever covered that on RGO when we did that.
SPEAKER_02I think I think we did turn it into an investigation because yeah, I was.
SPEAKER_04It's two rooms up there. One right now is the the haunted room, but you wouldn't know this unless you're rolling around with this little bruv, that it used to be uh uh one room, these two rooms that are together. Now, when we were there, you kept saying that, and it was like you were seeing this entity of of Audra, which we don't even know if Audra existed, but whatever. So you were seeing and you kept saying it's like she's in this room, but not, but also in the other room. Well, we didn't know what that meant until the next day when the the concierge, I think it was whoever, was telling us well, actually those rooms used to be one when Audra would have been there. That's interesting. So but but uh I think a more profound one was when we were downstairs at Galvez and you picked up that where we were was probably used for something. You're like, they're bringing something in, but it's secret, and then we found out later. But what's interesting though, when we were down there doing that right before you got that information, what happened? Weird technology shit happened on our recording. We were getting weird frequencies coming in out of nowhere.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, kind of malfunction.
SPEAKER_04So that's weird to me because with with the with the way the technology and the electricity and the components of it seemingly are affected when we are doing these things, that again makes me just think that this uh electromagnetic piece of us that's connected to everything else is somehow tapping into something that it all gets very weird.
SPEAKER_02So, how do you explain then if you're because it sounds like you are a team, you know, again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I I feel like for me it's like okay, there's the individual piece of it that then eventually kind of goes back up into collective consciousness.
SPEAKER_04You are thinking it just kind of all absorbs back up to collective consciousness, it's all that's yes, but in a way that like I think as an example, you and me sitting here, I do not think that we are two individual people. I used to think that. But then when you really get into quantum physics and reading about some of this, some of these studies, these theories, this research, this work that's out there, I think you and I are connected to this table. As much as we are connected to the random bruv we don't know out in Los Angeles right now, we are just as connected to that person as we are right now to each other.
SPEAKER_02Right, which I just need to point out, just to bring this a full uh around the world. The very first interview that you did with me on Parapeculiar, I came out here with Taylor. We were talking, you were asking me about like, oh, medium show, how does this all work? You know, I'm like, well, it's all everything is like connected and the energetic connections, whatever, you know. So anyway, just noting that. Um yes, I agree. Um it's all good.
SPEAKER_00Listen, wait, yeah, the candle.
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SPEAKER_00We're all sitting around our.
SPEAKER_04And if you focus on that noise and that flickering candle and that beautiful squatch on that label, you might connect to the network. That's what I mean though. So I think it's when we say both angrily, I in my own way, I am that. Um because I do believe that yes, we are tapped in and talking to like let's say uh an individual person, but I but I think it's so much more than that, and we are so much more connected that we can't fully understand it. Now, this is where things get a little different for me, okay? And I can admit that because of the amount of looking into this that I do and and and researching this, that things come up that challenge my own thoughts. Now, this is where I'm at, that's kind of my my little conundrum. Is you know, all the work I do with the EVP and ITC stuff. Well, these voices that come through uh seemingly have told, well, me and uh countless other researchers that they exist in this other piece of reality that's with us, but we can't see, but it's maybe where we go after it, etc. etc.
SPEAKER_01So are we we had come through on that the waverly estus. Right.
SPEAKER_04So but then to me, I'm like, okay, is that still us projecting that and tapping into that network and getting those answers? Or are we actually talking to a a being that when we're done contacting them is still doing its own thing and thinking its own thoughts and its own environment? That I do not know.
SPEAKER_02I my personal opinion is yes, because then the and what I was um trying to get to earlier is like how do you reconcile all of this with like intelligent hauntings? Because b you know, based on our experiences thus far, like there are there are intelligent hauntings.
SPEAKER_04There are he's sleep grah on. However, there are intelligent hauntings, but what we've seen time and time again is the intelligent hauntings are as intelligent as the communicator. A la the Philip experiment, just like if a super religious person is getting voices to come through in their ITC work, guess what they typically hear about? Spirituality. They typically are echo chambering and and and saying what these people want to hear. The amount of people that do ITC work and hearing, oh yeah, and they'll hear these beings are saying that everything's about love, might, and Christ.
SPEAKER_02Um I'm saying, like, oh, I had to be like, yeah, like there's a there's a dude standing in the corner, and then there's, you know, we hear a fucking noise over there, or well, because we are so in the museum and they're by the dress, and then they get like feel tapped on the shoulder, and then there's a cold spot, and then they're asking a question and something comes through, you know.
SPEAKER_04Well, because I think we've in our own way kind of proven that with our little Steve experiment because people didn't see shadow beings around this little guy once we first made him, but when we put that intent and people put their energy and their focus and their intent on it, then it creates this thing.
SPEAKER_00Sure, we created a lot of things.
SPEAKER_04Now the shadow the shadow beings, um, you know, could that go into a different realm of are they beings that are in this uh sharing our space of of true reality, of true source, but we can't typically see them because we can only really see what you know gets us around our reality. That I don't know. The shadow thing is interesting because like most paranormal phenomena, it seems to replicate itself. Meaning at Hill House, everyone has seen the crawler guy. I've seen him twice, he's come at me twice, but it's the same experience as the other guy that's seen him. Uh the shadow figure we saw waving us at Waverly Hills, people saw the same thing.
SPEAKER_02The Waverly Hills one I think is different for me. And see, this is where it's like I'm a bull fan girly. Like Steve, I think is a different category. That's an extraordinary we created it. So I that's not like what I'm talking about, or even like the Hill House crawler guy, like that's created. That's created by our field.
SPEAKER_04Stephen the crawler guy, those two shadow beings. Are they residing now in the same place as the other shadow beings that you think are not them? Like are they sharing that space, right? That's the thing, because then now they all look the same.
SPEAKER_02Well, and see this is why I'm like a dimensional person, you know, because I don't think that like I think both and I think sometimes they can be, but sometimes they can be in different, I don't know if it would be a different timeline, a different plane of existence, a different um dimension. I don't I don't know.
SPEAKER_04The one thing we do know though for sure, like this is non-debatable because you can just look at this throughout history. The phenomena has been responsible, directly responsible for the advancement of humans. Okay. Ever since antiquity, we see things from the sky, call them UAPs, UFOs. I believe it's all spiritual, I believe it's all the same thing, to be honest with you. Um and people will see them, they'll get ideas, and they'll create new things. When we see the great airship sightings of the 1800s, boom, we start seeing these things in the sky, all of a sudden that technology kind of comes and we we understand it and we build airships. Uh, when we were looking at the Roswell phenomena, you're seeing these flying saucers, that they all look very different than they do now. I think paranormal phenomena in general, the phenomena, it's almost like it is source reality. We're all tapped into it, and it's giving us these downloads when we need it, versus just saying, here's all this technology, go do it. Because think of how evolution works through humans. If if they if the phenomenon nudges us to figure out ourselves, our evolution, maybe we are evolving into that true source over time.
SPEAKER_02Sure. And I mean, I agree with that. Well, yeah, I mean, I agree with that, but I still think that that's still talking about like the you know, collective consciousness, right? The network, the cloud, this like collection of all of it, right? Versus like the I mean the intelligent hauntings, you know, like that is something different.
SPEAKER_04What I'm saying though is the intelligent hauntings, though, are always based off of our idea of re of the truth. This is why the Phillip experiment is such a big one. Or this is why when we talk about these Well, this is why we talk about those old hotels that have a ghost of a thing that never is.
SPEAKER_02That's not true though, because then how would you explain somebody going into a location having no fucking idea about any of the experiences anybody else has had, any of the stories, whatever, and then the shit happens to them. That's not a reflection.
SPEAKER_04Well, let's let's ask this question because they have no idea. Are you talking about a person that's going in there with the intent of discovering that, or are you talking about the non-believer atheist going into a place?
SPEAKER_02I think those are two wildly different ends of the spectrum. I think that it can apply to somebody who's going and looking for it, somebody who's not going in looking for it. I think somebody who's an atheist, non-believer, whatever, I don't think they're going to experience anything because their brain is blocking it out. That's like neuroscience.
SPEAKER_04You know, well, we can't say that's neuroscience because neuroscience does not say activating systems, but it doesn't say that it's blocking out ghosts. We we gotta say, we gotta say that we don't know for sure that the brain filters out ghosts. I think it does, but we can't say for sure. However, I think though, that kind of proves the point. If if this is an intelligent thing that has nothing to do with what we believe or how we want to perceive it, then the person who doesn't believe it, like I can say I don't believe in gravity, but that happens when I drop a thing. There's no way around it. And I have to account for the fact that it does that. So if I didn't believe in it and then I drop this and it didn't happen, that would be the same thing that we're talking about here. Versus if two people go into a location that's quote unquote haunted, if one person is like, oh my god, I'm seeing it, I'm feeling it, they're coming through, that's because they are already tapped in because they have the intent of going in and finding this thing. So their experiences could be very different.
SPEAKER_02Sure, but I think we're talking about something different though. Like the sure, your intent, you know, being that's gonna make you more tapped in. You're gonna be more likely to experience things to a greater degree, right? But I'm not talking about that though. I'm talking about intelligent entities specifically, like intelligent replies. Right. Like, how are those happening? When somebody is going in, they were not front-loaded, they do not have any information, they're still experiencing shit that ends up lining up with other shit. It's happening like on command, intelligent things. Well, think about it. You still think that that's just collective consciousness of some bru in the sky that's like I'm gonna knock this over.
SPEAKER_04No, no, that's an oversimplification. I want to get away from that actually, really quick. There is no bru in the sky. What I mean is this you mean some you and I provision in the cloud. That there are people that are not paranormal investigators that go to the Driscoll Hotel because it's a fun, haunted hotel, and guess what they encounter?
SPEAKER_02They encountered about those people.
SPEAKER_04No, no, no. But here's the deal they're getting intelligent responses from something, even though they're not super going into it, but they're like, oh, this is a haunted hotel. That might be scary and fun. But maybe they but what they're experiencing comes from a collective conscious. You call it an aggregor, but that's what collective consciousness is.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but those aren't the things I'm talking about. I'm not talking about the created.
SPEAKER_04But what I'm telling you though is when you have an intel we're talking about intelligent responses. So if if an intelligent response, I use the example from an aggregore. If I use the example from the Driscoll, but how do you define which one is and which one isn't?
SPEAKER_02Well, because if we look at the history of the Driscoll, there is not like that.
SPEAKER_04History is also in our collective conscious.
SPEAKER_02Sure, but that was created. So that makes sense to me, is why people would be getting things. I'm talking about the stuff that's not that.
SPEAKER_04That's what I'm telling you though. History, real history, is still in our collective conscious because it's still a story that everyone knows and is ingrained.
SPEAKER_02So you're just doing like an inception moment. So you're kind of going with the like it's all created, essentially.
SPEAKER_04Essentially, because what happens, and I guarantee, I mean, I guarantee we could do a little bit of research and find this out where there was been a piece of history that everyone thought was just real. And then it just turns out a hundred years ago, oh fuck, none of that was real at all. Yeah, well, so but think about that collective unconscious that that reality exists for so long in everyone's mind.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so how about let's flip the script? Something that people, everybody forgot about. Okay, it did happen, it is history, everybody forgot about it. Somebody goes in, they're experiencing this thing. Nobody knows what the fuck it is. Okay, they're experiencing it. Then maybe, you know, after research, digging, whatever, then it's like, oh wow, this actually is something that happened.
SPEAKER_04That's a good point. I think we go to Carla Young and we talk about the collective unconscious. I think we talk about the unconscious. Things that are there that we don't even know are on the surface, but they exist. Things that you've forgotten exist. Right? It's still in the collective unconscious, I believe.
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SPEAKER_01Well, I think it's a good idea.
SPEAKER_04Your shadow self, right? Unless you're doing work on it, like things that that you don't even know are there, but they're there, and they are a driving factor in who you are.
SPEAKER_02So you're saying even in something like that, people are still essentially getting this download from the cloud, and they're creating it essentially still.
SPEAKER_04Well, so yeah, but I think we're simplifying it a little bit there, which I understand it's not um it's it's easy to do because it's such a convoluted topic. When I say download and intelligent responses, yes, we're dealing with an intelligent sort of entity, but when we get into the nuts and bolts of what it is, I still believe it is this network of a very interconnected piece that we are a piece of as well, that we can create our reality. This is why I firmly believe every thought in your head, every word that you say, every action you take, it actually changes reality for not only you, but the guy over in India a million miles away. That's not a million miles away.
SPEAKER_02So, what are these individual plasmoids then? And the individual like orbs?
SPEAKER_04The plasmoids are interesting because well, first we have to get we have to wrestle with the fact that these plasmoids that are being observed by scientists and everything else, we first have to get to the point that we're saying those things are what we're seeing when we see the orbs in the sky. They very well could be, but there are going to be plasma uh physicists that we could probably have sitting down right here and they would say, No, you're an idiot. That you know what I mean? Like we we are not plasma physicists. It's an interesting idea. Now, what I think, these things that we're interacting with that look like plasmoids, like orbs and whatnot, since I know for a fact that they have been reported since antiquity in the exact same way as they are now, I think there's something that has always been here, whether it's part of a spiritual component of the network or whether it's a life form that's just been here longer than we have, that we consciously can tap into and we don't really understand why or what because of our understanding of what reality is.
SPEAKER_02So you are then saying that you do not believe that these like orbs, plasmoids, whatever are would be like our consciousness, essentially, like our soul, like a human dies, then maybe we become this like plasmoid orb, whatever.
SPEAKER_04No, I mean, no, not a plasmoid itself, because if that were the case, there would be so many plasmoids around that we could see because there's maybe billions upon billions upon billions of dead souls. I now I know vibrating under an assumption that I think with plasma physics, we know that it from what I understand, it's like 98% of reality's plasma. It's kind of wild. We don't really realize that. These balls of plasma, could they be something that was generated just from the plasma itself that has this level of consciousness? Because then we get into the Kordusky clouds, these two massive clouds that were theorized in the 70s and people thought was pseudoscience until like three years ago, um, when they actually discovered them. These two massive clouds, both clouds are infinitely bigger than the Earth, but they're they're positioned right between the Earth and the Moon. And they're these plasma clouds, huge. And and some people theorize a supercomputer in a way that yes, and but the theorizing they're like a supercomputer because if they've gained sentence sentience and consciousness, it would be infinitely, because it's millions of years old, it would be infinitely way beyond where we are evolved-wise, like intelligent. So that even goes more to my point, right? Because if all this collective conscious is this sort of this plasma with all this data, that's the network, the cloud, god, source.
SPEAKER_02Sure. I still think there's the individual piece of it. Like, and that's this is like what you're saying that it would be like billions and billions, billions of these orbs. But again, I don't think that every single person that dies, and let's say we become an orb or plasmoid or whatever, that's our like consciousness. I think that the vast majority would say, go back up to the cloud, right? And then that it's this literal cloud that's fucking chillin' there, right? And yes, I do think that these things, consciousness, souls, whatever, predate the earth, even like you're talking about the you know, universal level, right? I think it can predate the earth even. But I do think that some of them are still going to remain this individual kind of like purgatory, like we were talking about. And I think that those things, not all, because again, I'm a both and girly, but I think a lot of these like intelligent things that we experience may be from these individual ones, and then eventually they kind of reabsorb back into the network. So I think that's the big point where we differ.
SPEAKER_04Well, I don't even think we do, because this is a good way I think to describe what I'm saying here is if you are here in Austin, Texas, and you're communicating with I don't know, our experiment. No, we won't even say Steve, we'll say uh a dead person. I don't know, who whoever. My grandma. Great, your grandma. And if I'm in Alaska and I am at the same time, without even knowing what you're doing, communicating with your grandma or attempting to communicate, we can both at the same time essentially be communicating with this intelligent being so it no longer becomes individual or one or singular. It proves that it is something that we are all tapped into, no matter how far away we are. This is the spooky part of quantum physics.
SPEAKER_02I think this is what it is. I think you're defining intelligent differently than I am, because I'm not that like a lot of people.
SPEAKER_04No, no, the same. I'm taking away the singularity of it. I'm taking away the singularity of it. That's why when I say you and I are more connected than you think, we are the same soul, we are the same source. That's what I'm talking about. It's intention, but it's everywhere, and it's not singular. And that's the part for us that's hard to wrap our heads around philosophically because our brains don't work that way. Truly. Without it, we wouldn't have the ego.
SPEAKER_02Like it's science, though, you know, like you were saying, like the waves and everything else, the frequencies. It's always bruv. Yes, everything's everything's connected. It is.
SPEAKER_04Somebody put that on a fucker t-shirt, please. It's always bruv.
SPEAKER_02Um, but see, even in that, like in that example, see, and this gets into like, okay, my grandma, like she is crossed on, you know, so like, yes, in my brain, we could be doing that, like that scenario, exactly. But she also I would not consider to be an intelligent, like, haunting. Like, I'm classifying these things differently. Like, when I'm saying intelligent, I'm referring to like a ghost.
SPEAKER_04Okay, it's intelligent hauntings, though, when we really dive into the history of hauntings and it's one of the things I love about our house. By the way, we have like the haunted paralybrary. Haunted as fuck. We have so many resources on this stuff. It make person's head spin. But when we look at the history of hauntings, it's interesting. The majority, and I mean the overwhelming majority of hauntings are happening to people and not places, period. This is proven because people will go, some of the biggest known haunted houses in the world, when that family leaves, people live there. I've never experienced anything, and that's why people like, oh, they must have been lying, but they weren't. Then you find out that these families oftentimes were followed by this phenomenon. People are haunted, not places, I believe. In our place like Hill House, when we talk about it.
SPEAKER_02That's what these are the places I'm talking about. The things and like we always talk about with the items that are something different.
SPEAKER_04But don't you think that that was created at Hill House? A lot of the things that people interact with there never.
SPEAKER_02I think some of the things, like the crawler, yes, I think that's created for sure.
SPEAKER_04Well, maybe actually, that's interesting because we have talked to people before it was a paranormal research center that saw the crawler. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but they were still experiencing fear. I think that there's a lot of things. Even before that, when the families were living there, the shit was going on and they were still experiencing fear.
SPEAKER_04But from what we understand as well, there was a lot of, again, induced what we see in these hauntings. You see the trauma, you see the negative stuff. That was happening a lot there. We know that for sure. So come these things have manifested into a thing, into a place. Do some places have an ability to be quote unquote hot spots for whatever reason? Potentially, I think so. I don't know what that means. Do I think that it's an actual place with just a couple of intelligent bros hanging out like they're hanging out at the VFW? No.
SPEAKER_02But there's a having a couple beard, fish frog Friday. Which was actually yesterday. We did have that yesterday. It was real fucking good.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, more coming on that soon. But I think for whatever reason there are these hot spots, but I think all that means to me is that the veil is thinner, and when I say the veil is thinner, I mean again, it's like if I go to the computer, it's just a place where all the folders are already just open on the desktop.
SPEAKER_02That sounds like interdimensional to me what you're describing.
SPEAKER_04But how do we define interdimensional? We could sit down with a scientist right now who would probably tell us that the way people throw that word around is wrong. I understand what we mean by it.
SPEAKER_02Let's get a fucking dimensional science book on.
SPEAKER_04Hello. That would be cool because I think you know what I really want to have on is a is a plasma physicist.
SPEAKER_02Fine one, bro.
SPEAKER_04Truly. Well, they're everywhere, but no one, no one wants to talk to them, so it should be easy to get on. It will probably shatter our dreams because we'll get a plasma physicist on here, but the plasmoids are gonna be like, let me learn you guys up, you guys ready? It's like, oh fuck. Fuck you, plasma physicist.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but I'm sure that's also, you know, just like anything. If you talk to multiple people, they're gonna have to.
SPEAKER_04You'll get multiple answers, which again, I think, takes it back to when we are at both Ann Girly, it's because we have to understand that the nature of reality is based on us and how we create it and how we perceive it, and that collective perception of reality creates this collective reality that we are now all in. So, what does that mean, dear listener? Be nice, have positive thoughts and just be a good person. Make a better reality. Be a better ghost maker.
SPEAKER_02Ghost maker.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, we're making this we make this reality. Reality maker. Reality maker.
SPEAKER_02Create your own reality.
SPEAKER_04Actually, just join our reality by going to patreon.com backslash barriculier and hang out with us.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, if you're liking the reality that we're putting down.
SPEAKER_04And actually, I will say this. If you did like this episode, because we're at an hour now, we you know with these RGO ones, we we want to save your ear holes, right?
SPEAKER_02We don't want to Well, we can talk however long we want. And here's another, you know, the reality. Um, having time constraints on the episodes for a while there, it was more so because, like, bruv, I do not have $500 to pay for an audio editor per episode for like 30 minutes.
SPEAKER_04Then you met me, I was like, just get it.
SPEAKER_02We are independent, we are independently funding this, bruv.
SPEAKER_04Okay, so again, we are being independently wealthy.
SPEAKER_02Please join our Patreon. We have not won the lottery. We are not millionaires.
SPEAKER_04Bruv, we're still getting excited about costume.
SPEAKER_02We do not have sugar daddies. No Hurricane is not paying the bills with his paw pictures. You know. If anybody would like to pay for Hurricane's paw pictures, slid into the DM.
SPEAKER_04That was the RGO version of a parapiculiar joke. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02Like I mean, that's just a you know, me. I wouldn't but anyway. Um, okay, so anyway. As you can, as you can tell though, this is a very like convoluted topic. And I think there's just, I don't know. For me, there's like the things that I'm trying to get at and go to, like, I'm always thinking of the outliers, you know, and you know I'm a both and girly. I do not think that everything is always going to fit neatly in a box. I think that there are always going to be multiple possibilities, multiple reasons, multiple explanations.
SPEAKER_03You're a biparanormal, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, yes, I am polyamorous in my paranormal views um and spiritual views, I suppose. But yeah, I just well that okay, let's that's a little too that's a little too parapiculiar. Yeah, it's parapee. No, I'm not fucking ghosts, okay? But uh maybe I gotta be able to do it. Isn't there an episode on of Ghost Adventures where he attempts that, I believe, a Valentine's Day special?
SPEAKER_04It's actually a really funny episode. It's a really funny episode, and that's the one thing that like I I've come out on in the past month, and I think we both have like I kind of enjoy that show.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, it is interesting in this to our point of you know, last episode, this episode, and talking about our evolution and thinking, you know, for a while. Love to hate him, whatever you want to think about Daddy Bagans. First of all, like the Warrens, he's an icon in the field, he's a pioneer in the field.
SPEAKER_04And he drives a Ferrari off of Ghost Hunting.
SPEAKER_02Like he is, he is where he is for a reason. You know, he is paving the way for a lot of us. I and something that I uh really appreciate is we did watch a few of the recent episodes, and you can tell that his way of investigating and thinking about these things has changed. And we even said, like, it's almost like he started looking at like feedback and the pushback and like shit that people were saying and was like, hold my beer. Well, you know, and so I personally love that. Like, I want to see the growth and evolution. I want to see that you are actively like you are in it, you are researching it, you are learning and growing from the experiences you're having.
SPEAKER_04Dude's also got some fucking comedy chops.
SPEAKER_02Dude, that the fucking goddamn, what episode was it? Playing the flute. The flute segment, that was the best segment in all of Ghost Adventures. Granted, I'm biased because it was flute.
SPEAKER_04That literally we are parapeeing right now because I can't believe that we are now all talking about daddy baggins. Yeah, we gotta I do have to say when we watched that episode though, you and I, it was maybe 45 minutes of continuous, like red face, gut busting fucking laughter on the couch. We were dead. We were dead.
SPEAKER_02Well, it was, you know, probably five minutes during the flute segment, but um that's your version of reality. Yeah, that is.
SPEAKER_04Uh, and so I wonder if someone came over here and tapped in the network if they would deal with 45 minutes of us or five minutes of us. See, that's perception is everything. Perception is everything. I will tell you this. If there's one thing you take away from this episode that I believe you and I do very well, don't live in an echo chamber. You hear this, you hear this conversation between Nicole and I. We have the same beliefs, but they go in different paths. But different. But we have the ability to have the self-respect for each other, to talk and learn from each other and grow together, and you know, dive into madness more and more for your measurements.
SPEAKER_02The more ideas and potentials and possibilities that you can look at and examine, you know, I think all things are worth considering, you know. And so sure, some of them you might not agree with, some of them you're like, oh yeah, that like feels good to me, you know. Take what you like, leave what you touch me here. One of the God, this is not parapeculiar stuff. Um so you know, all of all of that to say is I think that the more the more you research and learn about these things, and the more you know, you know, knowledge is power, I think the better you're able to form your own opinions and thoughts and beliefs about things.
SPEAKER_04And remember, the more you know, the more you don't know.
SPEAKER_02Yes, well, it is literally an effect. The Dunning Kruger, the Dunning Kruger effect. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And then there's the Freddy Kruger effect. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Uh huh.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02All right. Well, anyway, um, I hope that you have enjoyed uh the last couple episodes, the plasmoids episode in this episode, and kind of just, you know, doing a bit of a deeper dive in. Kind of a like, let's have like a check-in, you know? Yeah. Um on where the fuck we're at, you know, and I don't know, who knows? Ask us again in a month, and maybe it'll be a completely different answer.
SPEAKER_04Next month I'm gonna be like, when we die, it's it, we become ghosts, and then I'll be an atheist, and then I won't be we change. But if you like this stuff and you want more of it, check us out, come hang out with us. We have another podcast we do called Parapeculiar. Shit gets real fucking wild there. Uh or if you uh if you uh if you really like us, we have a fucking pretty radical Patreon.
SPEAKER_02We do come join us on Patreon. We do um live stream all of our investigations, we do live stream hangouts. We do live uh live stream hangouts a couple times a month um in the Pear Academy tier. Now we're doing monthly mediumship development circles. We're starting to bring guests in, which actually I'm really excited because the end of this month, this is airing in March 2025. The end of this month, uh Marcella is doing a super cool class for us um on herbalism and like different herbs and stuff, but gonna show us how to make our own like oil blends, and she is crafting a few specifically for us for like cleansing, protection, whatever.
SPEAKER_04She is the Betty Crocker of herbalism. Okay, she's the Ina Garden of herbalism. She is Ina garden, which by the way, she's so positive, she's so warm, she's so amazing, and she's so fucking knowledgeable about this goddamn herbalism shit.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04We go to her with our herbalist questions.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so um, yeah, that'll be I'm really excited for that, so that'll be fun. But yeah, we do lots of fun stuff over there. There's also a ton of like past classes and stuff. Like there's quite a few. I really love the ones that you did where it's like deep dives on um famous haunt teams. Oh, yeah, we do. And talking about those and the theories and all of that, you know. Um, and there's classes on like cleansing and production and uh we did a sigil one. So we get weird.
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SPEAKER_04At one point we were talking to the dog.
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SPEAKER_02Okay. Uh Morbid. We recommend Morbid. I love Morbid. Have you you've listened to Morbid, right?
SPEAKER_04We've listened to it a couple of times.
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SPEAKER_02Oh, telepathy tapes.
SPEAKER_04Telepathy tapes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we need to get on that actually.
SPEAKER_04That's good stuff.
SPEAKER_02Um okay, cool.
SPEAKER_04Alright, we'll see ya.
SPEAKER_02Okay, bye.
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