A Disappointing Episode on Plasmoids: The Science of Spirits?

In this episode, we're diving into the electrifying world of plasmoids—those mysterious, self-contained balls of plasma that might just hold the key to some of the strangest paranormal encounters. Scientists have been taking a closer look at these enigmatic energy formations, and their findings are raising some serious questions about the nature of hauntings, spirits, and even consciousness itself. Could plasmoids be a scientific explanation for ghostly manifestations? Are they intelligent, or are they simply misunderstood natural phenomena?

Join us as we explore the latest research, the wildest theories, and what this means for the future of paranormal investigation. From haunted houses to high-tech laboratories, this is one conversation that might just change the way we think about the supernatural!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to the Real Ghosts of Podcast, where we explore haunted locations in and around Austin, Texas. We're your hosts, Nicole Ricardo and Damian Shelacey.

SPEAKER_03 0:17

Listen along as we couple in-depth historical research and paranormal investigative techniques with a sixth sense of the unknown.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Good morning.

SPEAKER_04 0:33

Alright, well, that was kind of energetic considering that we've had maybe two hours of sleep.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Yeah, because we were up all night. Um, if you've seen the T on our Instagram, we are currently embarking on, I'm sure it's gonna be over the course of quite a few months.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Um, we're essentially investigating the entire like town square area of Lockhart, um, which is super cool. Of course, we've had episodes at the jail previously. Um but I'm excited because we're getting we're finally getting access to quite a few buildings there, but also very specifically, we're gonna be the first people to investigate at the courthouse as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:16

That's really exciting.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

But it's it's gonna be interesting because this is kind of a flip, if you will, because we're both going in blind. Like we investigated last night and neither one of us have any idea about the history, you know. Thankfully, we have someone on the historical commission that is helping us and you know, just really trying to get the word out there about how freaking cute Lockhart is.

SPEAKER_04 1:39

Which can we give her a quick shout-out? Because if you follow us on the socials and you've seen these little video clips uh that we've posted of us you know running around in Lockhart or something. She made those. It was a real uh about Lockhart. It was a real video.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Yes, and she created it. So shout out to Melissa. Um, thank you so much for your help. And so, yeah, anyway, more to come on that. Not the point of this episode. No.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

So no.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Um, let's dive into it before we get into you know what we're talking about. Also, I wanted to give a another quick shout out. We have some, well, a couple shout-outs perhaps for people for some lovely reviews.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

Yeah, we have some lovely reviews that y'all have left. That y'all have left. And we want to be reading these as they come in. So I'm gonna start.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

Well, because we do really appreciate them.

SPEAKER_04 2:28

We do, and the one that I appreciate the most, my favorite review, I'm gonna read it right now. It's titled Favorite Recent One. Yeah. Well, this just we this one just dropped. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

I just saw it when I pulled it up today, too.

SPEAKER_04 2:39

Yeah, and I just couldn't be happier. Uh so the the title of the review is Disappointed. And the review goes a little like this. I admire anyone who takes on a podcast, especially about one of my favorite topics. So I definitely don't intend for this, I definitely don't intend for this to be a ugly review, and I hope it will be taken constructively. I found the podcast difficult to follow. If it ever gets to the actual point, it has already lost me. By contrast, of an IDAL podcast is like a well-told, organized story. So thank you so much for that review. We uh appreciate that. Thank you for your participation and your love and joy and excitement.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

Uh a forever, you are clearly putting out a lot of love and positivity into the world. Um, also because we are accepting of all people here, we are both neurodivergent and ADD as fuck. So um, yeah, sometimes we ramble and you know, just like you read many different books, many different people tell their stories in different ways.

SPEAKER_04 3:43

It is worth noting we are kind of poking fun at this review, but um look, negative, mediocre, good review. I love them all because your opinion matters.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Well, the reality is anytime we get a review, it does actually help us a lot, specifically on Apple Podcasts, because um that's how people can find it. You know, the more reviews you have, the more likely you are to come up and search. So that's good, but also like didn't your mother ever tell you if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 4:13

Well, maybe didn't your mother tell you. Our podcast showcases that there are different types of podcasts in the world.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

So speaking of that, let's read, let's read um a different one. Yeah. This is a negative one. I can't see the full title, but it says the best paranormal pod out. Oh, maybe there. Um, it says it says, I really appreciate how Nicole and Damien have taken us along the journey with them of how their thinking on the paranormal has evolved. The more experience they gain and more research they do. Their thinking and how real they are is so refreshing. They care about figuring out the truth versus just making things fit into a story. In my opinion, they're at the forefront of paranormal research, and anyone who is genuinely interested in the paranormal and serious about it should be listening to both their podcasts. Thank you for how much effort and energy you put into this. It is appreciated.

SPEAKER_03 5:19

Yeah, I wish this sounded like the first review.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:22

Um, so quite the contrast, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:25

Hopefully, anybody who feels that way, yes, thank you. You're our people. And I think one of the big things with RGO, you know, again, there's a million different paranormal shows, there's a million paranormal books, there's a million paranormal podcasts. Our approach obviously is gonna be different than everybody else's, but I'm a big fan of like we are in the field. We are actual investigators, we are actually researching this stuff, like this is our lives. The we are constantly both reading like a million and one books about this. We travel around the country doing speaking and lectures and constantly learning and growing and constantly gaining more experience. Like, yes, uh, the format our thinking on these things is going to change over time.

SPEAKER_04 6:06

We've got mental illness people.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

A D D. Um, but I mean, in my opinion, like that's how it should be, you know, like as you gain more experience, as you learn more, as you you grow, like your thinking and is going to change and evolve. And so, yeah, the format of the podcast, yeah, it changes and evolves too. So um that it is what it is, and that actually is really gonna be the kind of the theme of these next two episodes. Like this one is definitely gonna be kind of out of left field for RGO. Um it is because we are talking about plasmoids. Now stay with me, okay?

SPEAKER_04 6:46

Because literally, someone's listening right now would be like, I didn't think I was listening to Parapicule right now.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

This is I'm fuck this shit. I'm out. I'm turning this off. Plasmoids. And I just got another bad review for saying fuck. How dare I? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:58

Um your potty mouth.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

Yeah. So anyway, um, yeah, we're gonna be talking about plasmoids, and I know we had kind of mentioned this in a couple other episodes. Like if you listen to our Octagon Hall series, we were seeing some orbs and and things in there, which was interesting. Then as we do, we start researching more. We're diving into these things, we're actively putting ourselves in positions to have more experiences so we can research these things, okay? Um, because we are researchers in the literal sense of the word. And then we had the I think it might have been in the Waverly series, where we might have mentioned, I don't remember where, because again, ADD, whatever, we both have five-minute memory spans, but we had mentioned how we did a class in our Patreon on plasmoids, and we had toyed with the idea of just uploading like that class to kind of give you a taste and a feel of like this is what it is like inside of the Patreon. But um, you know, we can be a little all over the place and so the Patreon, it is, it's us, it's us live stream, but anyway. Um, so we wanted to do something that's a bit more like concise, just kind of, you know, giving you the highlight reel, if you will, but getting into it because this also is going to shape and impact um what we're gonna do, we're thinking for the next episode is something that we haven't necessarily done on RGO, which obviously we've kind of alluded to this entire beginning of the episodes, but our thinking on these things does change and evolve. And when you look at when RGO started and where we were at then, you know, versus now, you can probably hear these things, right, based on the way that we're talking about them. But we wanted to do a dedicated episode talking very specifically about how our thinking and our theories and you know, all that jazz in regards to what is a ghost, um, kind of where we're landing with that now, because you know, uh the reality is nobody actually knows. Like we'll figure it out when we're dead, I guess. Maybe. However, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 9:12

Um well, and I think it's important to note that for anyone that's listening right now, um, if you have not uh listened to the previous episode that Nicole just alluded to, the Octagon Hall episode, I I would suggest the episode series.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:29

I would suggest go back and listen to those because that was one of these core moments that I think a lot of people that do this i inevitably have that that really brought this specific phenomenon to our attention because it was interacting with us in such a pretty profound way. And then from there it it really dove into us thinking about well, what the heck is happening here? And it's it's gotten us here.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Diving into the research on it.

SPEAKER_04 9:55

Yeah, and you know, now we've got friends that are like be followed by these things, all kinds of shit. So I I would suggest going and listening to those if you haven't.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Yeah, and I would say, you know, if if you are starting and I I guess this is like your first episode, or you're kind of starting here, yeah, I would go back to October Hall and just kind of listen to the episodes since then because it it kind of leads into this progression, like you'll hear the progression in real time, you know, as we have had this experience and then start looking into it and thinking about it, you know, you kind of hear that progression, um, which I think is cool. And I also just want to shout out, you know, since the uh disappointed review mentioned um Night Owl. Obviously, we were just featured over there, which is awesome. And we both love the Night Owl podcast. Like, Steven is a great storyteller.

SPEAKER_04 10:40

Yeah, he's he's our bro.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

He, yeah, yeah. He's a bro. He is a he is a great storyteller, and that is his strength, you know. And that's like honestly, that was one of the inspirations for me even starting RGO. Um, like I I love what he does. He's a great storyteller. Uh, I do not have a background in his storytelling and filmmaking. Uh we are both musicians, so we are chaotic and we are ADD.

SPEAKER_04 11:04

We are like the Neapolitan ice cream on paranormal podcasts.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

We are not very demure. We have a little bit of very cutesy. We are very ADD. We are very chaotic.

SPEAKER_04 11:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

We are very you are coming along on the journey with us. I really for the We don't know where it's going most of the time.

SPEAKER_04 11:19

And the last thing I'm gonna say on it for our for our disappointed listener, because I'm sure you're listening right now.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

He probably isn't listening to this anymore.

SPEAKER_04 11:24

No, he probably is. Go listen to the parapiculier podcast because I'm very curious as your thoughts.

SPEAKER_00 11:32

Yeah. If you don't like if RGO is not your jam, do not go listen to paraphelia. You will your panties will be so far up your butthole. You will there will be a you know a finger that has taken them and inserted them up there. I'm getting a little parapiculier right now.

SPEAKER_04 11:50

A little parapee right now.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Um you hear us unfiltered though. So if you are if you want to hear Nicole unhinged.

SPEAKER_04 11:57

Well, this is actually funny because you're probably gonna get a slightly um unfiltered version of us today because literally we are running on no sleep. Yeah, there is a you know old building built in 1896. That's all I'm giving away, last night, uh, doing an investigation. It was an hour and 15 minute drive away. We didn't leave there till like 4 a.m. And we got back here, barely slept, and here we are. So here we go. Which speaking of, I'm going to just uh to help me get through this episode. I've got here, not sponsored by the way, a ghost energy drink. One of my favorite energy drinks. We do love those drinkers. I crush these things.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

You we literally just bought a pack from Costco because Shout out Costco. Because you like them so much. I am such a Costco girly. You've made me a Costco girly. Yeah, but we're not gonna get off, we're not getting off on a tangent.

SPEAKER_04 12:52

Oh no, wait, we don't want to disappoint anyone. So on to plasmoids.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Yeah, so plasmoids. Let's talk about plasmoids. Damien, pray tell.

SPEAKER_04 13:02

Shit. Well, I want to start because the the story's interesting of how we went down this rabbit hole and it really starts with you. And and and you know, people that listen to this, I I hope that they can get it. Well, that's fine. I'm getting there. Oh god. Don't disappoint anyone. So I think that, you know, I do on a daily basis. It's uh I think important for people to know that what you hear is this is like very much a what you see is what you get situation. So our daily lives, like this is what's happening.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

So I know that Yeah, and actually, okay, I just have to say this is not a written review, but when Eric, our brother Eric started talking here was with us. He wouldn't leave us a bad review.

SPEAKER_04 13:39

We don't disappoint him, we leave him wanting more.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

He did leave us a good review, but anyway, he was with us last night on the investigation, and something that he said is um that he does really like about us is he said that we are very real and raw and just ourselves, yeah. Which was very, you know, I want when when people meet us in person, I want them to just be like, oh, this is exactly like who you are. Like, yes, this is us. We're not putting on a front. We are not, we don't script things, you know, I'm a little bit nicer in person. Sure, there have yeah, and that's a whole different um story to go down, but um, you know, there have been RGO episodes previously, you know, it's ever evolving, okay? Like I did not pick a format just be like, this is what it is.

SPEAKER_04 14:21

We're not getting to the point.

SPEAKER_00 14:23

I yeah, I this also has been um, you know, constructive criticism given to me by my ex-husband. So, you know, I don't get to the point. So um anyway, you know, I guess whatever. Anyway, we're just ourselves. So you you it is you get you get what you get. But if you meet us in person, but this is just who we are. So you will already feel like you know us. In fact, just imagine yourself sitting across the table with us. See, I'm not getting to the point again. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_04 14:54

Yeah, and this time I'm disappointing everyone. You can't blame old Damien on this one.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

Yeah, that was me.

SPEAKER_04 14:58

This is your brain. Um, no, well, this is how it started. So after Octagon Hall and experiencing what I can only describe as softball-sized green orbs flying around, you know, inches, it seems for me. And we do believe, actually, and I don't know if we posted this to our Patreon, um, but Eric Arbor uh got an interesting picture from there that we think may be one of these things. Anyways, I had been thinking about it since that investigation. I stumbled across the Chris Bledsoe story, I stumbled across other little rabbit holes I fell in. So I was really in this idea of these these orbs, we'll call them that. So one day I'm sitting there and I get a text from you. I can't remember what it said, something to the effect of like, thank you, but I'm also really sorry, or or some shit. Because you knew what it was gonna do to me.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

I said, You're welcome.

SPEAKER_04 15:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

And also, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 15:49

Yeah, because you knew and you know me more than I mean, you know me better than anyone it on the planet. You knew it was just going to put me in a rabbit hole of that was maybe uh I couldn't get out of. Okay. So you sent me this article and it was interesting. It was about these plasmoids that are in the atmosphere, the ionosphere that are witnessed by like astronauts. We've we've observed them, but they're doing these weird things. It looks like they're sent uh sentient.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

Um, anyways, this was And it was it was a scientific article. I forget what like journal or whatever it was from, but you know, something with like some science bruves and people with a bunch of letters after their names and pe these these broves that are way smarter than like all of us come out. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 16:34

Why do we sound like the two knucklehead bad guys from Hocus Pocus?

SPEAKER_00 16:39

What from Hocus Pocus? You don't remember those guys home alone?

SPEAKER_04 16:42

No, this is ice. You don't remember the bad guys that like pop up in the graveyard and hocus pocus? And they're like, Holt, you gotta pay the toll. Oh yeah, I can't believe you don't remember that. Anyhow, bruv. Um where the fuck were we? Now I'm disappointed. Yeah. Uh no, you'd sent me that and it sent me down this rabbit hole uh of these orbs and these things that people are seeing in both paranormal experiences and then what some people would call UAP experiences, whatever. But this article really uh opened my eyes.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

And UAP, because I know paranormal people tend to not be like alien girlies as well, UAP is unidentified aerial phenomenon. Yeah, basically. The new term, I guess, for UFO. Yeah. What the girlies are saying these days.

SPEAKER_04 17:27

Yeah, what the bruvs are saying. But so that put us down this rabbit hole. And there were so many things that were lining up for us when we started studying the the different observations from the Journal of Modern Physics, I believe, was something we were looking into.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Yeah, I have that. I have that one.

SPEAKER_04 17:45

Right there. And these different uh testimonies from astronauts, etc. And then just looking at the science of plasma in general, which led me to a book called A New Science of Heaven by Robert Temple. Lays out a whole history of these these plasma, like it's essentially ball lightning as well. But talking about the different kind of phenomena around these that is so, so, so, so similar to paranormal phenomena.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Paranormal activity, which is exactly why we are talking about this today, because it falls under the category of things that make you go, hmm.

SPEAKER_04 18:20

God, if you only understood that reference.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

So, well, isn't that from some like comedian?

unknown 18:25

No.

SPEAKER_04 18:25

It is a song from the 90s, and it goes things that make you go, hmm. And it goes, things that make you go, hmm. Yeah, I believe it was CNC Music Factory.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Alright, well, anyway. Shout out to old people. Well, I grew up in the 90s. You are disappointing. I was born in 89. I mean, what else is new? Um anyway, so that um oh my god, that the disappointing comment just got me. Uh things that make you go, hmm. Yeah, so it does it does fall under that category. But that's why we're doing this episode, is because while it may seem like, what the fuck are you idiots doing talking about fucking UFOs right now, you know? Um, but it is, I promise you, it potentially is all related, maybe all the same thing. So that's why we kind of wanted to dive into it and just kind of bring you into our world of you know, some of the rabbit holes that we've been down on this and share some of the information with you because it does also play into um going into the next episode, how I think a lot of our you know thinking on these things, like I think it's has impacted it for sure.

SPEAKER_04 19:36

Well, and we do hope to um, you know, disappoint you as well. So I've got some notes here, but um, number one, what are plasmoids? I'm gonna read this alverbatum because I want to just try to bone you up on some of this stuff. But what are plasmoids? Plasmoids are dynamic, self-organizing plasma formations held together by their own electromagnetic fields. Plasma is a state of matter where electrons are stripped from atoms, making it highly conductive. Plasmoids can be observed in nature, think of ball lightning or auroras, and in laboratory settings. Some researchers propose that plasmoids might exhibit behaviors akin to sentience, such as reacting to their environment and moving in unexpected ways. That's just a brief overview of what they are. Yes, which hopefully we're already getting a little like if you want a simple version, you go to Spencer's Gifts and you buy one of the plasma balls. Plasma balls. Yeah. That's basically what it is.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Yeah, plasma. But um, hopefully you had a little, you know, uh green flag moment of electromagnetic, right? That is a keyword in the paranormal.

SPEAKER_04 20:43

This is when the bacon starts cooking.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

All right. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 20:46

Things about start getting crispy.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Put that bacon on the stove.

SPEAKER_04 20:49

Frizzle on the fry. So the consciousness plasmoid hypothesis. The question is, are plasmoids disembodied consciousness? Here's where things get even more interesting. Some researchers and experiencers have proposed that consciousness itself might have an electromagnetic foundation. If that's the case, it's possible that plasmoids are not just random plasma formations, but manifestations of disembodied consciousness. This is when things get wild for me. Because if you rewind that and you hear that said, especially in my radio voice, it should be profoundly interesting. Uh if you're like anything like us, which you're probably not. Um But here's the thing astral projection. Many who practice astral projection report experiences involving glowing orbs or lights while they're out of body. Could these plasmoid forms of consciousness essentially a person's consciousness be that in an electromagnetic state?

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 21:50

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

A little a little spirit ball, maybe that's you know, where I like that.

SPEAKER_04 21:56

A little spirit ball.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

But it is interesting too, and I ha so I have this um I guess I don't know, article next to me.

SPEAKER_04 22:03

Last one though, before you go to that article. Because you've got some wild shit there. But this one is I what I think is relevant: paranormal activity, poltergeist and electromagnetic fields.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

Yeah, I want to talk about that at the end. I want to talk about it. At the end.

SPEAKER_04 22:14

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 22:15

Like figuring out the yeah, well, what else is new? You're doing is literally Damien the disappointment. So double D E. Anyway, the alright, we're done with the disappointment uh comments. Because hopefully everybody who's listening actually does like us. And they're probably like, dude, like shut up. Um and also go leave us a review because yes, it hurts my feelings. I'm a human, okay? Like, God uh anyway. Well, you know I'm a glutton for punishment. Um, yeah, I don't well I the thing is though, and it's funny because as annoyed as these things will make me, I I do think that you actually you actually are way more sensitive than I am. Me? Yeah. And I don't think you would like and see this as the you know, damn the I'm actually nicer in person. Yeah. You are you literally cried yesterday because somebody review not the not the disappointment.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

It was a it was a message.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Somebody yeah, somebody had sent us a DM. Um it was fan mail. It was what they called a and it was it was, it was really, really sweet. But anyway, you did you did. You literally cried. So that is the the behind the scenes Damien actually I've never cried my life. He actually does have a heart. Um he actually I think you might cry more than I do. I and you you have definitely seen me cry probably more than anybody in my life, to be honest.

SPEAKER_04 23:31

If you do want to hear Nicole cry, remember we have a second podcast and the Parapeculiar podcast, you get there actually is an episode.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

I don't what did you title it? Near death experience.

SPEAKER_04 23:40

Well, yeah, we something about you and your experience with the with the mind machine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

I there actually is an episode of Parapeculier. I was sobbing.

SPEAKER_04 23:48

You can actually hear me trying to like try to deal with my feeling. I'm like, ugh.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

So anyway, yeah, if you want to hear me cry, go for it. But anyway, okay, so um, yeah, so I want to get into like, you know, kind of talk about like the orbs versmoids, like what they are, whatever, you know. So obviously you just read kind of the definition, some things, you know, people are are debating maybe are these things conscious? So there's this um article that I have here. In case you are interested, it is from the Journal of Modern Physics. It is called Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena, Extraterrestrial Life, Plasmoids, Shapeshifters, Replicons, Thunderstorms, Lightning, Hallucinations, Aircraft Disasters, Ocean Sightings, um, by a bunch of bruvs. So um well, here Ron Gabriel Joseph. All Olivier Olivier Clanchon's.

SPEAKER_04 24:38

Ron Gabriel Joseph wants to be referred to as some bruv.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

Richard Armstrong, Carl Gibson, Rudolph Shild, Child. I'm sorry. That's why I didn't because I'm gonna butcher, I'm gonna butcher their names. But anyway, so something in here that I thought is also interesting and kind of leading to the, you know, are they potentially um conscious? You know, is this maybe a different like form of life? So they there's a paragraph in here. I'm just gonna read it to you for betum. They say, Plasmoids appear to be electrical phenomena attracted to and with some possibly produced by lightning. It's been hypothesized that dusty plasmas in the thermosphere may have incorporated all the necessary elements for the synthesis of RNA, leading to DNA and thus life. Stanley Miller and Harold Urey, in their famous experiments designed to produce life, exposed a mixture of gases and elements to a continuous electrical spark, simulating lightning, and produced organic chemicals and 33 different amino acids, including 11 of those necessary to create the proteins required by all living organisms. If life can be created via interactions between lightning and an enclosure containing the necessary elements, it can be predicted that every world with a gaseous atmosphere and thunderclouds is inhabited by plasmas, and that these dusty plasmas spawned life on innumerable Earth-like planets billions of years older than Earth, life that may have evolved. So, you know, again, these very smart bruvs. They're even talking about, and they broke it down in more detail, you know, um, as to how these things actually could turn into something that is, you know, life, whatever that looks like. But consciousness is what they're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 26:25

Well, if it's essentially this form of consciousness, it would make sense of why it could interact with us in a way that would seem esoteric, right? Uh ghostly, otherworldly.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Right. It's really I thought that that was interesting, but I'm flipping through a few more pages here because there's flip through those because other stuff is. It's interesting too.

SPEAKER_04 26:45

It's interesting too, though, right? Like for anyone listening, because there's this historical piece of it of the esoteric traditions, right? So like a plasma-based light body. There's a ton of spiritual traditions that describe a light body or astral body, right, that exists alongside the physical body. So what if that light body is actually a plasmoid manifestation? Like if consciousness is able to exist in a plasma state, it could provide a scientific explanation for ancient beliefs in astral travel and other mystical experiences. That's from the paper as well.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Right. And the other, um, they present something else in here that I thought was interesting. So, you know, I'm a big, like, you know, time slip, like interdimensional, whatever um girly. And so they have another paragraph in here. It says, it is also possible that they and other plasmoids originate in and seep across from a fifth dimension when electromagnetic activity produced by a massive thunderbolt is transformed into mass that becomes a small black hole that pierces a brain, separating brain B R-A-N-E, like membrane, separating that fifth dimension from those four comprising our known universe. Some of those that materialize also appear to be emerging from a surrounding darkened area that could be likened to a hole in space-time. So I thought that that was really interesting too, you know, potentially saying for me to be talking that. Potentially saying that these things are like even coming from, you know, other dimensions, which that is something, you know, we have gone down, and you know, I'm not gonna try to do it now because I did have to study this. The the like physics stuff on, you know, how the different dimensions look and all that jazz. Um, but that is something that I do think is another very plausible um idea as to things that could be causing a lot of paranormal activity. But now we start getting into the how this all comes together with like, okay, well, maybe this all is just actually explaining all of paranormal activity because now they start talking about so we know orbs, right? Paranormal community, we're familiar with orbs. We s we have seen orbs, you've probably seen videos of them, right? Okay. So later on in this paper, it talks about how they emit a glowing plasma trail, presumably consisting of emitted electrons and electrified to create a trailing particle glow or afterglow. This is something like we see that every time, and that's one of the things that we have kind of you mean in like paranormal.

SPEAKER_04 29:17

Yeah, like with the orbs.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Yeah, like through our years of doing this, you know, sure, of course, a lot of orbs um might be dust or bugs, right?

SPEAKER_04 29:26

We're talking about the obvious different ones, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

But the ones that we see, and one of the things that we have ended up kind of using to differentiate is you see this kind of like glowing trail like a tail behind them. Yeah, and so I thought that that was really interesting that they talk about that in here as well, you know. But then they start getting into, and let me remind you before I read this sentence, okay? From the Journal of Modern Physics, okay, uh, they they say some even resemble transient phenomena commonly referred to in scientific literature as elves or sprites.

SPEAKER_04 30:03

Let's let's stop there because if you think about, let's just look at lore, lore, right? Like of a lot of not just paranormal activity in the form of ghosts, but like you say, elves, uh, sprites, fe, whatever, like you know, any kind of creatures, you know, that has to do with glowing light orb, typically. That's very profound if you just look back at the history of all of this of the phenomena in general. Yeah, and there's bear with us that that ball of light.

SPEAKER_00 30:34

Yeah, and this is also something where I think we can, you know, if you want to mention your uh your one of your fave bruvs, uh Pasulca. Oh, Diana Passulka. Yeah, because she is also a very smart bruv, very academic, and she's somebody who has been doing she's she's what a religious.

SPEAKER_04 30:51

She's a religious religious professor of religious studies uh at North Carolina. UN C I D. Um and we're gonna talk about her as well as Gary Nolan and Jacques Villet because and I want to read this part next here though, but because when we're I hope we're not losing people on this. I again it's early morning, we've a couple hours of sleep, we're trying to talk about this topic that that really in many ways is so deep that it's tough to try to gloss over. But when we talk about paranormal activity, okay, because that's why you're all here, right? Poltergeist and electromagnetic fields. So, and I'm reading this again verbatim, but reports of poltergeist activity often involve interference with electronics and the sudden appearance of cold spots. Stop right there. We that is something that we experience literally uh yeah, I can't say daily, but it's known paranormal activity, cold spots, right? So these phenomena could be explained by plasmoids or electromagnetic consciousness draining energy from their surroundings as they draw power from electrical devices or ambient thermal energy, their presence manifests more strongly in the physical world.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Also, very well known and accepted thing in the paranormal that your batteries get drained, which we experienced, wow, to an ex insane degree last night, but draining that energy, draining that power.

SPEAKER_04 32:14

This is my favorite part of the paper here that I'm reading from. It's the conclusion which says the intersection of plasmoid physics, consciousness, and electromagnetic fields offers a new way to understand various paranormal phenomena. Whether we're talking about UAPs, astral projection, ghost, or poltergeist, plasmoids could serve as a unifying concept that ties all these experiences together. By viewing consciousness as an electromagnetic phenomenon, we might be able to explain some of the most enduring mysteries in both science and spirituality.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

I think that's a and that is that right there is, you know, a good summation of why I think we both are like, oh shit, this is really interesting, you know. And then when you get into looking at some of the specifics, right? Because obviously that's the conclusion, it's summing it all up. But when you start looking into, you know, across all of these different papers, we have like, I don't know, like five of them printed out on the table right here.

SPEAKER_04 33:18

Our fucking dining room table looks like covered in papers.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

It looks like we're crazy people.

SPEAKER_04 33:22

If you watch the city, we're just missing the board with the always sunny in Philadelphia, and Charlie's got that scene where he's in the office and everything being put together. That's us.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

That is us. But you know, when you start looking into and you're looking across all of these things and you're looking at the activity. So obviously, we just mentioned a couple of the draining of the power and batteries, the cold spots, right? But all of these papers, their naming it's it's all the it's the paranormal activity that we experience on investigations. Like I have another page pulled up here from this one that I have that's talking about some observers have detected an odor resembling ozone sulfur.

SPEAKER_04 34:00

Right. Which is let's let's stop them and and say why that's important, right? Throughout history, the smell of sulfur has been attributed to typically like demonic or or or uh nefarious spirits in some way, but that spiritual realm.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

So that um the paragraph below it is talking about people when they're having these experiences, feeling confused, feeling disoriented, or even experiencing visual hallucinations. There are other papers that we found. I'm sorry I don't have it like directly in front of me right this second, but um some that were talking about who more specifically going into the hallucinations and talking about the like seeing a woman in a white dress. Yes, like it's just going into all of this stuff, hearing hissing.

SPEAKER_04 34:44

These are all things that everyone in the paranormal has heard over and over again.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

It's all the paranormal experience of the thing.

SPEAKER_04 34:50

Of a lady in a white dress is there. Um but this is where, in my opinion, it gets, for us at any rate, really compelling. So again, those of you that have been listening to our journey and are investigating know that one of the methods that we like to really use is you can call it Estes, you can call it a spirit box session, whatever, you know, using the ghost boxes, the spirit radios, the shortwave radios. And it's been something that's worked out very well for us. So somewhere along the line, I saw what these bruvs were doing with the CE5 protocols, and I thought very deeply about it, and I thought, well, they're basically doing the same thing we're doing during an Esther session, but they're doing it uh with the sky instead of a radio. Yeah, they're looking at the sky. We started fucking around with that stuff. Okay, and boy, boy, oh boy, have uh I mean we've had some wild shit regarding these kind of bl balls of light, these plasmoids. We've seen things moving in the sky when we do this.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

A good friend of ours is now basically being followed by these things, or was at least for a time being followed by these things in the sky that that you would think are stars at first, but then they're moving and they're they're yeah, and these are you know, like like they're literally sending us videos and we're looking at them, and then we're comparing them to the videos that Chris Bledsoe is posting, who's another, you know, hot name in this area. He's somebody who, you know, has been having experiences with these things for a very long time. And literally, what is it, the FBI, CIA, everybody, all of these fucking bruvs, okay? These big bruvs, they are studying him.

SPEAKER_04 36:31

Well, they're going to his house and they're they're says something hearing his story and they're talking with him. Now, look, if you want to go down that rabbit hole, I I really, really recommend you go to Amazon, get his book, UFO of God, his experience with these orbs. And if you go to his Instagram, you know, he can summon these things and he's got videos of them all over the place. So go check that out. Chris Blood. So so uh shout out, Chris, if you're listening, which you're not, come on the show, come talk to us. Come talk to us.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

Um, so yeah, it's just I think that all of that is really interesting, and that's why we wanted to make sure that we, you know, while it may seem initially a little weird, and especially in the beginning, you're like, what the fuck are you idiots talking about now?

SPEAKER_04 37:11

I think this was the perfect episode to do, though, coming off of and I know we we weren't gonna talk about any more, but coming off of that more of a but the disappointed review, right? Because we this episode, this is uniquely us. This is uniquely our evolution. Like when we do these episodes of us investigating.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

I want to take you along the journey with us.

SPEAKER_04 37:29

But I want people to understand too, there's a bunch of of investigative content out there, and there's so much good content you can go soak up. One of the things that we really want to do is we don't give a fuck about making content. What we care about is just inviting you to come along on our adventures.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

On the journey, yeah. And that is something I mean, I think I don't remember where we talked about it um here or parapecular, whatever, but something that I do see, you know, in any area, not just paranormal, I'm talking like broad, okay? Because even just my normal daily life is, you know, a lot of social media anyway. Um I think a lot of times what we see is people trying to like force a narrative almost, you know, or do like do it for the gram, right? You know, you hear that all the time, but it's like like this is literally our lives. Like we are so immersed in this. Like most nights we're sitting here at this kitchen table doing ITC research. Yeah. Like this house is haunted. It is haunted because we are fucking around and finding out so often, you know, like this is we are very, we are immersed in this. And so for us, it's not so much about, you know, to your point, as like, you know, telling like a nice package story. Like, that's not our strong suit, you know. It's not, it's just not our story is like evolving.

SPEAKER_04 38:48

We're living the story.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

We are, you know, as I said in the beginning, we are not very cutesy and very demure. We are very chaotic. We are very, we are very ADD. Well, you don't get the reference because it's TikTok. It's like a TikTok video that blew up and she's talking about it anyway. Um, so you know, it it's just like our thinking on these things is gonna change and evolve. And this is this was one of those big things, and like you were saying, I think the thing that kind of spurred it was our experience at Octagon Hall. But here we go, and I'm gonna throw a wrench in these things. I didn't tell you I was gonna bring this up before. Um it actually, if you think about it, it even went back, and this was we had no fucking clue what was happening. Okay, but even before Octagon Hall, back to one of our experiences at Hill House, okay. And this was a time that we went, I think it was with our Patreon people when we went with everybody. Um, but we didn't we didn't do an episode or anything. However, we got a very interesting photograph when we were inside the house of a s this silver sphere ball orb thing on the stairs.

SPEAKER_04 39:54

You want me to tell the quick story?

SPEAKER_00 39:55

Yeah, go go into it.

SPEAKER_04 39:56

Because there's a synchronicity here that happens. So when we were, we were at Hill House. I don't know when it was one of the hundred and fifth time that we went, whatever the fuck. But I was and it's funny, because this even kind of harkens back to Waverly, uh, the our friends from EVP Paranormal that saw the same shadow being uh essentially that we saw at Waverly. They had shown us a picture of a shadow being that they caught at Old Park, and the way that they had said that they were getting it was they're using their phone and just tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. So I that was compelling to me. So I'm doing burst photos. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

Which that's for me typically how I like to like there there's can just be so many like false positivism photos. So it's interesting when you get, you know, one in the middle of like a burst that is weird.

SPEAKER_04 40:39

Well, I got a few of them. So like we I'm sitting there in Hill House and it's by the stairs, and I'm I'm doing it dot dot dot dot dot with the camera. I'm looking back at these pictures and I noticed that on the stairs, in maybe like three of the photos I we were we were sitting uh, I think dinner afterwards, and I was like, bruv, where's those photos?

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Remember? And I like zoom in and I'm like, what the biggest issue? Well, because it looks like a damn bowling ball on the stairs.

SPEAKER_04 41:02

It looked like on the stairs that there was a metallic or just silver, shiny bowling ball. And and you have to keep in mind, like, first off, there was no ball on the stairs in this dark house that we're walking up and downstairs.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

Afterwards, we went back into the house and specifically go to that spot and we're looking and we were looking in all the rooms. We're like, are there even any balls here?

SPEAKER_04 41:22

No, I showed the picture to Sonny House.

SPEAKER_00 41:25

Yeah, one of the things.

SPEAKER_04 41:26

And he was like, What is this? There's nothing like this. And of course, obviously, again, I'm just gonna say it wouldn't be on the stairs, you know, not to get off topic, but so I saw this picture, I'm thinking, what is that? And I I didn't think anything much of it after that, but I kept those photos. So synchronicity time, maybe a day, two days goes by. And my, for whatever reason, I don't know if it was my social media thing or whatever, but something I kept seeing this book pop up uh called Quantum Paranormal. And I was like, why does this book keep popping up? And people that know me know when things start popping up, I look into it. So it turns out this book was written by this guy who's done this research, and it's all about paranormal activity being attributed to these metallic spheres. And if you want to see a picture of the things he's talking about right now, you can Google metallic sphere UFO. You're gonna see so many pictures that we have from various cameras all across the world of these things being captured, okay? What you see when you look those up is the same thing we got inside of fucking Hill House. Yes, we have the picture of it. We should post it. We will. It's in our Patreon. I uh join our Patreon. I uh I actually sent the picture to the guy that wrote the book, Quantum Paranormal. And it's funny that you're bringing it up right now because another synchronicity. I know.

SPEAKER_00 42:38

He literally replied to you yesterday.

SPEAKER_04 42:40

Months ago, and he replies to me yesterday. He's like, hey man, I've you've been working on my new book about the spheres. It's out now, by the way. And uh he says to me, I'm looking at your picture. Yeah, definitely. That's one of those. And he's even pointing out something that I didn't even think about on the photo. He's like, look at the top, you can see where there's an opening where it opens up and little mini spheres come out. And this is for those listening right now, they're like, What the fuck are these interesting things?

SPEAKER_00 43:02

Which is also here, hold on, because I have something. Let me find the best part. Let me find the page.

SPEAKER_04 43:07

The best part of the message, though. Then he tells me, We cannot be talking about this here. If you want to talk further about this, I need you to download something called signal. It's encrypted and we can talk that way. And I'm like, what the fuck? So I'm gonna do that and go down this part.

SPEAKER_00 43:24

But it's interesting because so how this all ties together, because you're like, okay, dudes, you're talking about like a metallic sphere, like that's not a plasma ball or like an orb. But here's the thing because in some of these other papers, they say that the the outer coating or whatever, they can change it and they can become either invisible and move through walls.

SPEAKER_04 43:47

Like ball lightning, which that's something that uh it has been seen by the biggest thing.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

And they they can also uh well, just like we see in the paranormal, orbs will go through walls and you know, um but that they can also Make that coating basically mirrored. So that way it looks like a metallic sphere. And with the how you were saying, you know, things coming out of them, whatever, that is also a known thing with these plasmoids. So um I found the sentence here reading again verbatim from this article in Journal of Modern Physics. What looks like single cloud-like plasmoids in some cases actually consists of dozens of individual plasmoids grouped together, forming plasma conglomerates that engage in coordinated activity to produce what appears to be purposeful behavior, which also reminds me, we haven't even mentioned Well, think about what you just said though.

SPEAKER_04 44:36

That's interesting to think about these plasma balls having intent.

SPEAKER_00 44:42

Yeah. Well, going to the, you know, um con the potential consciousness of them. Yeah. Because then that goes into when we're looking at the history of these things, which it kind of details in that book. What is this?

SPEAKER_04 44:54

A new Oh, the new science of heaven.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

Um, yeah. So it details in there, but even going back to the foo fighters, that the old not the band.

SPEAKER_04 45:03

The old the old foo fighters. You can Google these images.

SPEAKER_00 45:06

This is where they come from. The old, what was it, World War I or two pilots? I think one. Um but the pilots, they would see these things fly next to the planes. And even, you know, the these top military pilots, you know, talking about how they're like, no, they are it like antagonizing us. They're they're uh like not conscious, I forget what word they use, but like knowing what they're doing.

SPEAKER_04 45:29

Well well conscious. I mean that that would be uh uh sentient, uh having having consciousness, uh self-aware.

SPEAKER_00 45:37

So it's so it's going back through all of these things and even goes back further, and this is why I I brought up um Diane Passulka earlier, is because she does all of this, you know, research into antiquity and stuff, and is even finding these examples in in old like religious texts.

SPEAKER_04 45:52

Well, because something that that I gotta give her credit for. So anyone that's listening, if you're a reader, you should be. Uh uh DW Pasulca, Diane Passulca, uh her books American Cosmic and Encounters, both of these books are phenomenal. Go get them. Um, but she noticed something in her study of religion that these experiences that were documented from antiquity, biblical experiences of the saints, of people having, you know, uh pro prophetic about angels. Angels and everything. All of it is it mirrors what people's experiences are today with what we call UAPs or UFOs. Yeah. And she thought that was interesting, started looking at that, and it is profound. How it's mo more than likely the exact same thing that we experience when people see what they call UFOs or orbs or whatever in the sky, like what Chris Bledsoe is seeing, or what millions of people across the world now see, or even with the tic-tac videos, because if you go back and read some of these uh accounts from biblical times from antiquity, I mean you've got those same shapes, the same balls of light, the same things happening, a telepathic connection, right? That like is reported.

SPEAKER_00 46:59

So this is something that telepathic connection.

SPEAKER_04 47:03

Seemingly been with us forever.

SPEAKER_00 47:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:05

Right? Look into her stuff, she's really great. But that's God, I don't there's so much of this to unpack. It's such a deep rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_00 47:15

I mean, this is a rabbit hole that I feel like pe you, if you fall down it, you might be down it for the rest of your life, you know. And obviously, we mention a lot of these different people, and a lot of them have books. So, you know, dude, just with the books that we mentioned, you know, we have the Chris Bledsoe book with UFO of God, this one over here, the Robert Temple book.

SPEAKER_04 47:30

The New Science of Heaven by Robert Temple.

SPEAKER_00 47:32

Um, Diane Pitzelko's books, all of these scholarly journalists.

SPEAKER_04 47:41

Um, here's what's interesting that about this, though, that I that I for everyone listening, this topic specifically can work for you if you're a paranormal weirdo, a skeptic, or an in-between. Because if you're on the way skeptical side, you don't believe ghosts exist or anything, you can dive into the world of plasma physics. And plasma physics is an interesting thing to think. And there's not a lot of people in the field doing it, but it's such compelling work that they're doing. Plasma physics, look into that. That's where you're gonna find out these plasmoids. If you're way into the paranormal stuff, you can look and see how this all lines up with paranormal phenomena. If you're an in-between, you've got so many directions you can go.

SPEAKER_00 48:22

Yeah, and it's um another shoe. I don't remember what article this was from, but one of them that we were reading to, again, one of the like the scholarly, you know, publishing some science journal, whatever, was even talking about how these potentially can account for even all of the like cryptid sightings too. Like it was specifically talking about like Bigfoot, Mothman, all of these, and explaining how the plasmoids, like one of the things I read was talking about the, you know, the electrified, I don't know, the dusty trail or whatever, and how it's like picking stuff up and how you know, potentially if they're doing that over and over, you know, and they get enough of it, it could resemble like seeing like a Bigfoot or something, you know.

SPEAKER_04 48:59

Well, not only that, we we have in one of these papers, and keep in mind for anyone listening, that uh we are the the kind of people that when we find things we like articles, we print out everything. We have hard copies of everything. So this big file in front of you. Somewhere in there, and this is gonna be the last thing I'm gonna wrap up on the paranormal side of things, but somewhere in there we found people talking about uh the idea of the hitchhiker effect or what you might call an attachment, demonic or ghostly or otherwise.

SPEAKER_00 49:24

Oh yeah, let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_04 49:25

The the that these plasmoids can do that, that they stick to you via static electricity almost.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

And that you end up with an attachment, and all of these people, you know, notice that it can change your voice.

SPEAKER_04 49:37

Isn't that wild?

SPEAKER_00 49:38

And like notice all of these people, like these are academics and like scientists that we're talking about, okay? And a lot of them even say, didn't I think even Diane say that she will not go to yeah, the hot spots, okay? They call them hot spots where you can go, and it is known that you get you will get things with this hitchhiker effect, aka attachments, right? And they will not go.

unknown 50:03

Right.

SPEAKER_00 50:04

They refuse a lot of them will refuse to go to these places.

SPEAKER_04 50:07

Well, think about that actually for a sec. I'm gonna bring that up because this is a paranormal investigation podcast, and if you think about the nature of people like us, uh well, you and I don't think there's a bunch of demons running around maybe here and there, but imagine your typical ghost hunter who thinks that a lot of this is demonic or evil, whatever, yet they're still going to these places. So do they really believe what they're dealing with is demonic? I don't know. But these academics who believe that these things can attach themselves, you're like, I'm not fucking going there. Why would I do that? You know, because that is the smarter thing. Right? Because if we believe a place is hard and that attachments exist, like you and I go in these places, what a stupid bruv thing to do. Because we don't know what the fuck we're dealing with.

SPEAKER_00 50:45

Listen, that is why we are here. We are here to fuck around and find out for everybody else. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

Um, so we do the fucking around and the finding out, and we relay to you where where'st thou shalt not go fuck it, fucketh around and findeth out.

SPEAKER_04 51:04

Where please say that again. That's the best thing. That needs to somehow be an intro to this episode.

SPEAKER_00 51:09

Where'st thou shalt not fucketh around and findeth out.

SPEAKER_04 51:13

Findeth out.

SPEAKER_00 51:16

We're doing that for you.

SPEAKER_04 51:17

So you know, I'm just gonna say this because we're idiots. You never disappoint me.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

Yeah, well, I'm sure I do, but when I hit it.

SPEAKER_04 51:25

When we end the recording, that'll change, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:27

Anyways, this was a joking, by the way. Because this isn't your typical RGO format, is it? But it is an evolution of uh Well, it's you know, kind of a wine and spirits.

SPEAKER_00 51:38

We we have a theme, we're talking about it, and I just thought that this was really important because I do, you know, I do just want ever I want everybody to come on the journey with us. And this is something I have always thought this, and I have said this since the very beginning, that like quantum physics and that realm that I hope that one day it will catch up to these, you know, paranormal spiritual beliefs and ideas and help us be able to explain it and to understand how some of this works. And so I think that we are beginning to see this starting to happen. And so it's really exciting to me. And this specifically the intersection of like the academic and scientists and these researchers and the paranormal and spirituality, like the intersection of those two things that is like, oh my god, you want to talk about cooking my fucking bacon? Okay, that's extra crispy crispy i that is how to cook my bacon.

SPEAKER_04 52:40

Sizzling.

SPEAKER_00 52:40

Yes, because it's just so interesting to me.

SPEAKER_04 52:45

Yeah, it is, and the intersection of technology and spirituality, science and spirituality. I'm gonna say it controversial hot take. I don't care. The two are married. You can't have one without the other. You just can't. I'm one of those girlies. I don't think that science dispels spirituality. I don't think that spirituality dispels science. I think that it's um it's a beautiful combination that I guess somehow turns into a fucking plasma ball that you know attaches itself to me.

SPEAKER_00 53:13

A little plasmoid that's floating around, maybe in the backyard. So a little plasma. A little brov. Good old good old little brav. Cool, we are stupid. But um, so anyway, that was you know, a little deep dive.

SPEAKER_04 53:28

A little morning bacon for you.

SPEAKER_00 53:30

Into plasmoids. And so I hope you were able to stick with us through this. If you were, if you're picking up what we're putting down. I mean, I do also want to hear your thoughts, and if you end up diving down this rabbit hole too and finding different things, you know, please send it to us, like DM it to us because these again, this is our literal, like our daily lives, okay? We are living in these rabbit holes. So please, if you find other things, if you come across things that are interesting, send it our way.

SPEAKER_04 53:57

Yes, because without you, it is just us two on an island of fucking cuckoo.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

Yeah, please make us not feel alone here, okay? Um, send us messages and also come hang out with us on Patreon because this is the kind of stuff we do, you know. We like we said, we had a whole live stream there where we were um talking about this. So come hang out with us there. You can chat. We want to hear what you're finding too. Um we typically, you know, when we're going through this stuff in real time, that's when you get the, you know, the real, like the real, real ghost of and you know, parapecular, where you get the videos on our Patreon like, oh my God, this just happened. What is it, you know? In the moment. Um, but anyway, so yeah, I I hope that, you know, even though this may seem like a what the fuck? Like they're talking about UFOs, but hopefully it all makes sense and we were able to tie it together in a way that, you know, makes sense as to why we're talking about it. And I do, I just thought that it was important to talk about this going knowing that we're going into our next episode, that we want to do a bit of a deeper dive specifically as to like how our thinking on these things changed and kind of where we're at now in terms of like what even is all this? Like, what is a ghost? What is a spirit? Like, what are we communicating with? What are we? I don't know. Well, I don't know. Uh I let's stick to one existential question at a time, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 55:17

Last thing I kind of want to say is, you know, I I know again, I'm gonna go back to we we kind of we love reading the reviews on these episodes. We love when you send them, positive or negative. Um, that really is something that for us, if you like the way we're shifting things or evolving things, if you like, if you want to see something else, whatever, go fucking comment. Let us know, we'll do it.

SPEAKER_00 55:39

Like we just please do not leave me here in my own head to try to figure out what the fuck we're talking about, especially since we're trying to do every week now.

SPEAKER_04 55:48

Because if you don't let us know, we just might disappoint you. That's all I got.

SPEAKER_00 55:57

Oh my god, god damn it.

SPEAKER_04 55:59

Oh, can we go watch Love Is Blind now?

SPEAKER_00 56:03

Is there a new one? No, we gotta Sundays. Yeah, it's tomorrow. If you haven't watched a new season of Love is Blind, go watch it.

SPEAKER_04 56:10

We're gonna do a whole episode on that Honor Hush Pops episode.

SPEAKER_00 56:12

David sucks and Taylor and Daniel forever. I've loved them so much. They are since the beginning.

SPEAKER_04 56:19

Let's not get on that because we're gonna get real disappointing real quick.

SPEAKER_00 56:22

All right, let's go make coffee and I'm gonna use my Love is Blind Creamer. We still have some of the wedding cake, Love is Blind Creamer. Sponsor us, Love is Blind. Love is blind. Put us in the Love Is Blind, put us in the pod.

SPEAKER_04 56:31

Put us in the pods.

SPEAKER_00 56:33

Okay, alright. Anyway, thank you so much for being here. And if you do if you do like this and what we're doing, please make us feel better about ourselves and leave us leave us a review. Please, a nice one.

SPEAKER_04 56:46

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SPEAKER_00 56:48

Yeah, patreon.com backslash parapeculier.

SPEAKER_04 56:51

Okay, bye. I did it.

SPEAKER_00 56:53

Okay, bye.

SPEAKER_03 56:59

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SPEAKER_00 57:09

And a huge shout out to Dr. Angela Glestro, who composed all of our original music for The Real Ghosts of. If you are interested in getting any music for your own show, film, whatever, you can find her on Instagram and check her out there at Angela Glestro.