42. Down The Rabbit Hole: Waverly Hills Sanatorium

Welcome in to our...second to last..installment of the Waverly Hills series!! We're going down the rabbit hole on our thoughts & theories about the activity we experienced during our investigation. Yes, we're getting weird with things, thinking deeply, and even challenging some conventionally held beliefs in the paranormal world. You into it? Then come on down the rabbit hole with us, bruv. 😎

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Welcome to the Real Ghosts of Podcast, where we explore haunted locations in and around Austin, Texas.

SPEAKER_04 0:13

We're your hosts, Nicole Ricardo and Damian Shelecy, who listening on as we couple in-depth historical research and paranormal investigative techniques with a sixth sense of the unknown.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

Yeah. What just happened? What what just happened right now in this kitchen?

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Um, well, you asked me to open a bottle of prosecco because you're afraid of the cork. Well, that's not okay. You're afraid of popping the bottle. Well, apparently you're not. Um, no, I'm not, and I I sure popped the bottle.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Will it look like the hip hop video in here?

SPEAKER_01 1:06

Um listen, I what happened was extremely unnecessary. I popped the bottle and I was pouring it, and it like slipped slightly from my hand. It didn't like fall out of my hand. There was no large jerky movement, and then it started fucking spraying everywhere. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:26

You yeah. Like it yeah, like a rap video, like a we were at the strip club, but we were just in the parahouse kitchen. Yeah, and so and you know, now the parapop got some off the floor, he's drunk.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Well, I'm in the process of making his food, and so yeah, there's I'm pretty sure there's definitely some prosecco.

SPEAKER_04 1:47

Well, it got everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

It it was literally everywhere. Almost entirely.

SPEAKER_04 1:51

Well, these two glasses we have is what's left.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

I don't even understand how all of that occurred. Like it got on not just in the kitchen, like on the other side of the freaking island, where like things were plugged in. It got on the it's on the coffee bar. Did you look in this little mat thing? It's freaking in there.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

It's everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

It's everywhere. So, anyway, that was extremely unnecessary. Stupid fucking prosecco.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Well, it's just interesting, like a a picture of sort of our lives. We were sitting there talking about uh what we are going to talk about tonight, which is this these not even DBPs, because we heard them. There were audible voices, like or disembodied voices, whatever that had come through. Anyways, we're sitting there talking about headphones on haunted shit that like happened at the house, and then that happens. Just spraying the whole house down, like you were blessing it with holy water.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

But yeah, right after I, you know, I put a can of sardines and hurricanes food, and so I had already sprayed that all over myself. So my the dress that I'm wearing right now. It's like you has a spraying of sardine juice.

SPEAKER_04 2:55

Oh, you're yeah, you're covered.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

And now it's just wet. It was literally like my glasses, I think, are still probably have like spray spots on it. Like it literally was dripping off of my face.

SPEAKER_03 3:07

You got all over the house. It was like you were blessing the house. The power of Prosecco compels you.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Yeah. Well, hopefully it worked.

SPEAKER_03 3:14

Well, um, I almost forgot what we were gonna do this.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

So anyway, welcome to the Down the Rabbit Hold episode on Waverly Hills. On Waverly Hills bus. We have before we even get into that, um, I'm assuming that you are likely coming over here from the previous episode. It's that's Hurricane, I think.

SPEAKER_03 3:33

No, he's right there.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Well, yeah, I think I think his tag was hitting the it's gonna happen all episodes.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

So anyway, the the end of the episode prior to this, so it was the part two investigation. Uh, but Waverly Hills part three is what it was. The second half of our investigation, but yes, part three. Um the end of it, we were hearing shit.

SPEAKER_03 3:59

Well, the specifically three, possibly four, but three big things. One's the first one was wild. It sounded like it's a voice, it's a clear voice. It's not like a woman's voice. Is what I heard.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Yeah, one of them sounds like a woman's. You know the recording, it sounds like I don't remember what order they're doing. Well, I do.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

So and then the next one.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Well, I went out of order when I I had you listen to them. I think the first one was one that sounds like a hiss.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 4:23

I think the second one might have been the one that sounds like a woman's voice, and then the next one I think sounds like a little beep. I don't know, whatever. You'll hear them when we play them.

SPEAKER_03 4:31

The hiss is on there, you know, it sounds, well, very much like we say, like a hiss. And that is the one I guess that if I were to say I could look at and think, yeah, I don't know, that one maybe. But then the third one's just beep. Beep.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

You know, like it sounds like a device or something. But the thing is, when we start recording, our devices are in airplane mode. Like my laptop is closed right now.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

And nothing beeps like that. There's no device, you know what I mean? Like you'd have to, it's like a beeper.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Like which And we specifically like do not run the dishwasher or any of that, like when we're gonna be recording.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Well, not only that, when we look at the voice that comes through of the woman voice, this is something we've encountered a lot. And this is something that we're almost gonna touch on when we go down the rabbit hole in Waverly Hills, is the mechanical nature of that voice, that woman's voice that we heard. And then that hiss also I said it sounded almost like um like a ride or something, like machines, like shh.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

Yeah, you said like a hydraulic or like a hydraulic system.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

And then the third thing being a beep, obviously very mechanical, robotic in nature, and interesting that these kinds of things start happening, you know, once we've been doing some of the weird stuff with the orbs outside and things of that nature.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

Well, yeah, unless mechanical nature. I think that's worth noting. You brought that up that over the past week, like every other night, every couple nights, we have been actually up in the museum doing running an experiment. We're currently working on like testing a theory, but anyway, we have been up there actively doing these experiments. We have been, you know, recently doing some of these uh CE5-esque type things out in the yard.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

We've with interesting results, I might add.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Yeah. So, you know, we've been fucking around, and I guess now, I guess now we're finding out because the other thing is, I guess we'll just mention it here. A few mornings this week, oh yeah, I've been hearing shit.

SPEAKER_03 6:20

Well, I've two that happened to me the other night. Do you remember? I sat up and you were like, What's going on? I'm like, no, I'm hearing something out there. I'm like, Are you hearing? You're like, it's probably the cat. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

Oh, you and Hurricane both heard it.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Yes. And I know that Hurricane is is looking at something weird because he doesn't, interestingly enough, when when we're in bed, he does not budge when the cats make any kind of noise outside. And I know the cats do.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

He knows, he knows the difference between the sounds. Like, he's not a dummy.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Well, so do I. And the and I'm a and I'm a I'm a dummy, but the thing is the noise that I had heard it was very well, it was weird. And I I got up and I remember coming back in because when I went out into the living room here to check, and it must have been, I don't even know how late, 4 a.m., whatever, but it just felt creepy.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Yeah, which is that happened, that happened to me um when was it? I don't know, maybe last week, maybe the week before. I have no concept of time. But um hurricane got up because he was whining it and like crying, which is very unusual for him. He's he's a he's a very good boy, he's a good sleeper. Um he knows he knows that I do not like to be woken up. But it was, you know, typically he will only get up and whine if he has to go outside. Like usually if he's having like tummy issues or whatever. That's the only time it will ever happen. But it was 2 a.m. Um he was up, he was kind of pacing around, he was crying and whining, and so I got up with him because I figured he had to go potty. But as soon as we came out of the room and we're in the main area of the house, bruv, it just felt fucking weird.

SPEAKER_04 7:51

That's the only way to describe it.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

It just felt weird, and like you hear little things, and you know, of course, you kind of write it off. You're like, oh, I don't know, it's one of the fucking cats or something. But I don't think it was the cats, it just fucking felt weird. And so then I take him outside, he didn't even have to go potty, okay? And so then we come back in and it it just felt it did not feel good.

SPEAKER_03 8:10

Well, we gotta talk about last night then, too. Um, yeah, the fucking seven foot tall fucking shadow thing.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Which also isn't I mean that has occurred previously, but it's been a while though, to be honest, uh, for me at any rate, to see that.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

And I look over and it it was a little bit frightening for me, and uh because it was huge. Yeah. Up to like the ceiling almost, like real real tall. Yeah, and I'm looking at my what the fuck? And then finally I kind of nudged you like Nicole and I did that thing. I'm like, look. And you're just like, well, well, you know, because we both saw it.

SPEAKER_01 8:44

Yeah, well, I was like, you know, the thing by the sliding door, which didn't you have something happen with the sliding door? Well, that's yeah, this and this was this past week. Um, there was one morning I was sleeping, and so to paint the picture, the door into the bathroom is like one of those sliding um barn doors. And when it jiggles, I guess it makes like a a little like banging noise. Because it has a latch. We have it latched, and it's you can hear like a and it was it was doing that, like it did it a few times, and so to the point where I just like you know, I'm trying to sleep. So I was like, bruvs, like I'm trying to fucking sleep. Can you not write? When you say bruvs, you meant to the to the ghost whoever the fuck. And then um, when was it? It was bruv hunting. I think it was either Wednesday or Thursday morning. I literally I thought you were still here because it sounded like you were scratching around in the bathroom, like getting ready.

SPEAKER_03 9:42

That's right, you told me that.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

And then I when I got up, I even like I had to go look in the garage to see and your car wasn't there, and I was like, God damn it.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

Yeah, it's wild. And I think it's interesting that those things happen because you know, when we start doing these experiments, you know, more often together, and you know, we've been doing them in the museum, you know, we've been doing them in the backyard doing these things, but um so we have a haunted museum in the house, and shockingly enough, the house is haunted.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Now the house is haunted.

SPEAKER_03 10:09

I I think it's less the items, I think it's surprised. I think it's more us putting those beacons up. But yeah, so we we wanted to do this down the rabbit hole episode for a few reasons, and then you know, as we're recording that Waverly episode, hearing that happen at the end, and we gotta dive into that because it's it's it was an odd thing to happen so many times.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Well, let's just well, yeah, it happened within a pr a fairly short amount of time. It was all right at the end of that episode. Yeah. But anyway, so we've talked about it, we've talked about other weird shit that's going on at the pair house. Um okay, so we're gonna I'm gonna play the clips. Oh, we're gonna play them, okay. So there's three of them. So I'll play the clip first. I'll likely repeat the clip, you know, a couple times, but then I will try to isolate where the noise is because I I think if I'm remembering correctly, two of them, it's happening like in the background while we're talking. Yes, and I'm so you have to kind of listen for it, but I'll isolate it and just repeat it a few times of each of them so you can hear them.

SPEAKER_03 11:06

Point out some interesting things about why I think it's easy for that to happen. And I want to start doing more stuff here in this area. We'll talk, we'll touch on that, but let's play the clip and um we'll we'll talk about it after that.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

And we also forgot that at the end there was a freaking footstep, too.

SPEAKER_03 12:48

Yeah, that one is the really hard to hear.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Yeah, it was very faint.

SPEAKER_03 12:52

But it was there. Um the first one we're calling a hiss.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:58

Don't know if that's the appropriate word. That's just how we're describing it.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Yeah, kind of what it sounds like.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

The second one is what's compelling to me. It's it sounds like a lady voice.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

But it sounds robotic.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

And you can it's interesting because that the hiss and the voice, you hear it like behind me talking.

SPEAKER_03 13:18

Right. Well, there's an interesting thing with this uh ambience of this room, and there's the fan going and the different things, and sort of the hum of the house, and could stochastic resonance play a part in this? I don't know, but that was all very interesting to me that those things got picked up, and the way they do sound is like right there in with everything else is the best way to describe it. I don't know if that makes sense, but it's it's it could very well be sitting right next to us.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

Yeah, well, I think the interesting thing is when we heard it, when we were recording and we heard it happen, it sounded way louder, like way more prominent.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

Well, that always happens. And I think we've talked about this, you know, uh definitely during the Octagon Hall, sort of down the rabbit hole, definitely on our Parapeculiar podcast. Um, we've we've talked about this kind of stuff, but this seems to happen with the phenomena, doesn't it? Like you'll have an experience. Um, the biggest one was was Rachel and I at Hill House hearing this hiss right there in front of us uh in person. And then it's like barely audible. Barely audible, but when we hear it in person, we all knew it was like very, very, very loud.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Super prominent, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:25

Super prominent. So this lady voice, again, robotic, sounds like a recording of something being played. It sounds technological, it's interesting to me. Because then it's followed by what I'm saying sounds like a beep, but we when we listen back to it, we both agreed the tonality, not tonality, the frequency of it maybe sounds very much like the lady voice.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Which is again weird and mechanical and robotic. The footstep thing, it sounds just kind of like a like that. Right? I mean, that's what I'm hearing.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Well, it's you're yawning. I'm getting yeah, it's not a good one.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

Well, after yeah, spraying per spray spraying per secco all over the house, you had a hard day.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

This is also our third episode in a row that we're recording because we have the fucking memories of a goldfish. And so we if we don't do it, sit down and do it all at one time. We're gonna be repeating ourselves in every fucking episode because we're not gonna remember what we said.

SPEAKER_03 15:20

And we're doing this all day tomorrow, too.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Um, anyway, it it it just sounded like a footstep. It sounded like a faint footstep of somebody on the stairs. Yeah. To me, is what it sounded like. And you can kind of hear it in the recording. It's very faint. And, you know, again, when I put the clips in, I'll do my best, I'll do what I can to raise the volume. But it is it's very faint.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

Well, and one thing that we want to be very careful of when we look at things like EVPs, or I again I wouldn't even call that an EVP because it's something we heard right there, you know, uh live, like through the headphones. Audible. Audible. Um, we want to make sure to not this is a mistake I think a lot of us make. I certainly have for sure when I first started looking into this stuff, but is doctoring your audiophiles too much?

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Yeah, and this is one of the things, I mean, we've kind of we've gotten into it a couple times about this because I personally am not a huge EVP person. And I personally believe that if you are having to go back through and you are having to like like really listen and I gotta comb through it, and I gotta blah blah blah, like, bruv, it's probably probably like I I don't know about that. Like, if it's a true EVP, like, and sure, yes, I'm sure people will argue with me about it, like, oh, well, some of them are really sane, blah, blah, blah. And so listen, sure. Sure, fine.

SPEAKER_03 16:39

I hear what you're saying, I really do, and I think there's merit to it. A hundred percent there is. You've got to be careful with it. Where you really get in trouble is when you start boosting things and and and trying to add effects to to pull something out that you think is there. But when you're yawning like crazy, wide open mouth. Yeah. Um, but when we talk about happen to listen back to this, that this goes back through the research all the way back to Rotevet and Jorgensen and all these guys. It is a part of that. Like sometimes they are so faint, but it doesn't mean that they're not there. And if you think about the nature of what's happening, if there's something that's being picked up, whether it is something that's always there that's not intelligent, that's being picked up through, again, something like stochastic resonance or something we don't know about, or if it's an intelligent being doing this, or whatever it is, you have to think about what it takes to even get that. So, yeah, of course, it might be, it's probably rarely gonna be very uh as up front as the the things we heard here on this episode, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

Well, yeah, I mean, those again were audible. They were audible, they weren't uh EVPs.

SPEAKER_03 17:40

And it's just I I gotta go back to this really quick, to the mechanical thing, because some of the weird stuff that we do, and you know the way I think about a lot of this. I think that when we're talking to what we call ghosts, we're also talking to what we call aliens, to what we call interdimensional beings.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Like I don't Yeah, you're not a bull-hand girly like me. You're uh it's all the same girly.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

Pretty much. I think it's all wrapped up, but y it's just the mechanical nature of it, that is something we can't even debate because it's there. And so when I every time I hear it, it's just interesting me even more and more every time. This mechanical nature, it sounds like a recording, it sounds robotic.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Yeah, and that is something I do want to. I mean, there's so much research, and I think this gets into stuff like um that that one book that you know I have my thoughts on. Um, what is it, quantum paranormal paranormal, and then getting into all the stuff like we were talking about. And and then uh, you know, getting into like what we were talking about, I think it was the last episode, like the plasmoid stuff, you know. Um, I think that all kind of plays into, and then we have our own thoughts on things. Um, but I do have at some point want to do a whole episode on its own talking about, you know, our thoughts on the whole, like why sometimes things sound mechanical and whatever. Because we even, you know, obviously it happened at Octagon Hall, but it happened at Waverly as well. There was one point during an Esther session, you hear me say, like, oh, it sounded mechanical. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Well, it is something that the more you do this kind of thing that we do, you you find that more and more and more and more. And it's very interesting. It's like so much of this seems to be holographic in nature in a way. It's it's it's kind of compelling. But those were the weird things we heard while recording the Waverly Hills uh episode. So we thought we would throw that here in this episode because, well, really, it's a part of the Waverly Hills investigation because it's on the Waverly Hills episode.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

It's in the episode.

SPEAKER_01 19:27

Um, and then you know, we desperately wish we had the video footage of Nicole popping bottles in the kitchen, but I don't even want to know what I look it was literally dripping off of my face.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

It was. There's some things about Waverly Hill that we wanted to go down the rabbit hole on.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

Um I have my list. I'll see. I did in fact take notes.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

Because I got a little agitated at some people on that episode.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

I went off on some You were real jazzed up, and you were real jazzed up for quite a bit. We even recorded We took a little pause in between and I kept it. You know, and you're you're pacing around the house and you know, I'm like, bro, you gotta fucking calm down.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

Yeah, I went on a tangent and we'll address that.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

But what is first on the new So okay, anyway, so number one, the scratch in the well, the V, but what ends up looking like a Roman numeral four. So I V.

SPEAKER_03 20:20

Yeah. The scratch. So the interesting thing about scratches to me, not just at Waverly, is again going back to the recorded type nature of the phenomena. The scratch that you experienced at Waverly, it very much looks like a Roman numeral four, which is like the one V number one. Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Which again, if I have not already, by the time this airs, I will post the picture of that on the Rogos of Instagram.

SPEAKER_03 20:47

Specific symbol, we'll call it that for lack of a better term, gets scratched on people so much. And if you hear the dog barking in the background, it's the neighbors, uh, gets scratched on people so much that I know people in this field that swear up and down that what they're dealing with is Asmodious because that's like his number or whatever. I don't follow that uh path for sure, but it is interesting, and I've seen it time and time and time again. Scratches happen in a couple of ways. It's either three marks or it's that one V, that Roman numeral four. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Which I mean, even that, like it is still three lines, right? And it's when when we're when we're saying the Roman numeral four, you know, I don't think that, you know, you're not looking at this scratch. And it literally looks like a uh perfect, you know, I V. You know, I it's essentially it's three lines, you know, but the second one is usually curved a bit to, you know, the bottom of the line is right leaning. And then the third line, the bottom of it, is left leaning. So it ends up looking like a V. You know?

SPEAKER_03 21:53

Like you you made a good point though with the three lines, and but but if it's not in that shape, it's in three, like it looks like three just straight marks and

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Just three lines.

SPEAKER_03 22:01

There's always the same thing that happens too. It seems to be in my experience, when I've witnessed people, it's never happened to me, but when I've witnessed it happened to others, they always start with uh whatever part of their body might is burning. You know, and then we look and there it is. So there's that burning sensation, it's red, and it's usually looks it's usually three lines.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

And the thing that's just to kick it up a notch, which I I don't know if this happened to the scratch that I got at Waverly. Obviously, I couldn't see it was in the middle of my back. Um, but when people get scratched and you look at it and you literally see it like manifesting in front of you. Well, I saw that on you. Those to me are wild. Is that I I mean, I don't know, is that what happened to the Waverly ones?

SPEAKER_03 22:43

Yeah, but we were you have to think, we were in the middle of a session, and then by the time I went and looked at it, and we got your shirt up and everything, it was kind of already there, versus the times that we've talked about before where I watched it manifest on you, right? Where you see it. But it's interesting though, and I what's most interesting to me about that is not the fact that it's even happening, but the the nature of it. Again, it is almost like a recording in itself. It's always the same. It feels the same, it looks the same, it comes in the same three marks. That is so interesting to me because when we talk about theories about what all this is, you're big on always saying, you know, we'll never know. And of course, the the the truth is we won't even ever know the nature of the real materialist scientists, because that's always science scientists, because that's always changing as well. But we can always have things that we think, yeah, this is there's something there. Like research shows, right? Like if enough things happen X amount of times, there's something there.

SPEAKER_01 23:37

Well, I mean, it's definitely it's interesting, you know, and I think it's the reason why for both of us, we get so upset when people, you know, they call themselves skeptics, whatever, but then they like to say, oh, the paranormal, it's not real, whatever. But it's like, okay, but when you say something like that, you are literally invalidating the experiences of tens, hundreds of thousands of people over decades, decades, decades, like since the beginning of time.

SPEAKER_03 24:04

I I think what those people don't really understand, I mean, you all it takes is asking them a simple question, right? Which is, well, do are you saying that you don't believe that the phenomena being reported exist, or do you not believe that it's being uh that it's happening because of ghosts? And they'll say, uh, you know, what if they say that they don't believe the phenomena exists, then they're that's that's I'm sorry, but it's kind of stupid. I mean, that's you take reports and accounts of people's experiences.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Well, I mean, yeah, it's like, you know, people like to be like, oh, woke, right? And be like, well, you can't invalidate my feelings. Okay, bruv, what do you think you're doing when you're saying that this is all fake? Well, they're going to be fake. You're invalidating the literal lived experiences of however many probably hundreds of thousands of people over all of this length of time, you know, like that, but not very woke of you.

SPEAKER_03 24:53

It's not only that, it's not very it's not very scientific. One of the basic uh tenets of science is, you know, if if something, a phenomenon happens uh repeatedly uh over time, you know, countless people that we know that the phenomena exists, we just don't know why it exists. Now, I can understand if they would come back and say, Well, I just don't believe that it's a ghost that's doing it. Okay, great. Now we can have a conversation. Then you just ask them this well, how are you defining a ghost? They're gonna say the same thing over and over again. They're gonna say what we see in the movies, right? Like, and I understand where that comes from. So of course that's easy to say, well, yeah, that's probably not what's happening.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

Yeah, because most people aren't fucking weiros like us and you know, spend most of their waking hours researching this shit.

SPEAKER_03 25:29

And living with it. Yeah. Uh but then they can't go any deeper than that. So because of that, their opinion has no merit to me, it's meaningless because they're not what they're doing oftentimes is repeating something that a scientist said, and they themselves are not scientists, and it makes them feel like they are in the science club.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Well, just talking about things that they don't actually know about. Well, understand, right. Anyway, so the Roman numeral, the scratches.

SPEAKER_03 25:50

Which is you're right. That's I've never even thought about that. That's a one, it's three lines.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:54

One yeah. That's interesting. So I don't know. That was the scratching. I don't know what to think about that because it is always so similar, which goes back to this phenomena, which is really gonna go back and tie into the big phenomena of wavely.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

And uh well, I know the you know, the the demon girlies of the world like to be like, oh, you know, it's three scratch it's always three scratches because it's mocking the holy trinity.

SPEAKER_03 26:14

We look at the phenomena and we we define it by our culture and our beliefs.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

Yeah, and I think and I do think that this is something we also ha ha are in agreement on that with scratches, for me personally, I don't necessarily believe that it is something that is like malevolently trying, like actively trying to cause physical harm. I think that these things are typically happening as some sort of accident, you know, something trying to communicate in some way, shape, or form, whatever the thing is that's trying to communicate, whatever. It, you know, I don't I don't know the details, but I think it typically or more often is happen happening as some sort of like accident.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

Well, two things on that. Like one is you know, I've I've been I was up at the museum one time, and Sydney was up there, someone that we know, and we were doing some investigating, and you you remember this. She got scratched pretty wildly while we were doing this, and then through the radio, we literally got sorry.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

Well, yeah, and that's I was going to, you know, give the caveat. Obviously, that's not what happened in this particular instance because you were literally asking something to touch me, and then it did, and then we go back under Estes and it's confirming, like, yep, that was me. Yep. You know, so I do think that again, whatever this is that is doing it, I think that of course there's a way for them to learn how to do it so they're able to do it intentionally, but I don't I just don't think that that's the majority of cases.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

This may sound out of the uh out out in the cosmos, but I I really I feel like one of the things I do want to get for our gear bag is a good Geiger counter measurer because if we are in an instance where someone gets that scratch and we're there real time, like we have been before, if we're able to see if there's any kind of radiation spike, because these red marks that are basically they kind of look like radiation burns.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Radiation burns, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

The same kind of thing is happening to people that are experiencing what we define as UAP phenomena. So I've heard people say that, well, it's not a malicious thing, but if you're dealing with a kind of technology, if even if it's a mix of spiritual and and and tech, which I believe it is, that that maybe if you get too close to it, I mean any kind of machine if you're around it can hurt you accidentally. Do you know what I mean? So maybe to your point it is that that's what's I don't know. But it seemed what is that humming?

SPEAKER_01 28:48

Oh, is it maybe the washer?

SPEAKER_03 28:49

You put the washer on.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Yeah, that's in our in our well, in our break, um, I had to go throw my dress in the washer because the freaking sardine oil is all over it.

SPEAKER_03 29:02

It's you you're hot mouth.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

So so that's what's that's what's going on. The washing machines going.

SPEAKER_03 29:07

So, anyways, could these things be radiation um induced? I don't know. I I I think that that's probably a reach, and I'm sure that there's a lot of people that know more about that than I do that are rolling their eyes right now. Maybe I don't know, but it just seems interesting.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

If you are some sort of physicist or scientist or whatever, and I don't know, you have listen, you never know. My friend, my friend Chris is uh like whatever, does some like crazy engineering shit and he loves paranormal stuff. Um so you never know.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

You never know.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

But anyway, if you're one of those smart bruvs and you have, you know, like you know things like this, I don't know, fucking let us know. Smart bruvs. Yeah, if you're one of those them smart bruvs with some fucking letters after your name. Boy, oh boy. I have I have two.

SPEAKER_03 29:47

What?

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Two letters after my name.

SPEAKER_03 29:49

You have two letters after MM. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 29:53

It's my my master's master's in music.

SPEAKER_03 29:55

I see, I see. Yes, MM.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

Nothing that's helpful or relevant to what we're doing, so yeah, I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_03 30:01

The more I look into this in that book that I've been reading, I think I like the idea of taking an artistic approach to paranormal research. We'll talk more on that later.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

Um Okay, so any other thoughts on the Well, I want to know what the listeners think too.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

Hey, if you're listening to this and you have either have an opinion on what these scratches are, this phenomena is, or if you yourself have gone through that phenomena, um, if you would reach out to us and let us know, uh I would love that. I always want to hear other people's stories, see the similarities, see the differences, and hear how it affected you.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Send us an email at the RealGosub at gmail.com.com.

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Love that. Good good job.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

It also I also do have the email linked in uh every single episode in the like show description. Yeah. Um, so you know, where you are listening to this right now, if you look where it has the words and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

And stuff, it's down there. The bio, link in bio. What is the note, the next note?

SPEAKER_01 30:53

Okay, number two, down the rabbit hole, um, is and I kind of briefly touched on this. So when we're doing things like Estes, we were kind of mentioning about, you know, is there something at play when we're doing Estes sessions that's kind of like like related to our energetic connection as well? You know, we were talking about the difference between like when I'm doing my walk versus doing Estes, that kind of stuff. Um, one of the things, and the more that I listen to these, I do think that some of the things that come through is basically me based on like our energetic connection and something at play with like needing that connection to help these things better come through. Because something I've noticed is there tends to be, and we know I am able to do this with you because I fucking feel it even when I have my eyes closed. Um, when you start getting super far away, it happens very commonly that you'll hear me say, like, like stop, come back, you know, or like don't do that. It's a lot of like come back, you know, and that seems to be a common theme. And so I'm starting to become of the mind that I think that that just might be like my subconscious, I guess, of like like being like, nope, you're getting out of range, like out of frequency here.

SPEAKER_03 32:15

So yeah, yes and no. I mean, there's a little bit more, I think, to it, like, yes, the it takes that 100%, I believe. So we are, if you look at us and our relation to reality in general, you know, we are connected to everything. We don't really know it because of the way that we perceive reality in the in the way that we're allowed to, but we are connected, and and quantum physics shows us this, you know, through and through, but we're connected to each other just like we're connected to this table, just like we're connected to something that's a million miles away from here. Um so I think, yes, I it's certainly coming from it's being generated from you, and and I know that, and I can say that I feel that that is something I know because uh as someone who also looks at the other side of the coin, and I'll read what people over at the skeptical inquirer are saying and things like that. Now, these people take this uh idea of being a skeptic very seriously, and they will go on things like you know a paranormal investigation and try these tactics. They'll try the ghost boxes, they'll try the REM pods, but they're going in it in their mind, knowing this is stupid, it's bull, and it never happens for them. It doesn't happen for them. We've seen this happen in real person, in real time, where someone who is not doesn't believe, for lack of a better term, it's not going to manifest for them. Now, the skeptics out there are gonna be laughing, saying, well, that just means that because you believe it, you're seeing it, you're perceiving it that way. No, I challenge you to say that it it works both ways. We have such a connection to, I think, the universe around us, to the reality around us that we don't fully understand that we are little generators. We are creating little holograms.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

Well, it's also literally if we look at neuroscience, okay, and I'm gonna get nerdy here for a second. Yeah, I'm pushed my glasses up. Um I think a lot of it literally comes down to our reticular activating system, RAS, and our brains. So we are taking in so much information constantly that we train our brains based on our thoughts and our words of what is important to us, what we prioritize, what we want to pay attention to. And then our reticular activating system is literally tuning out a vast majority of the information that we are receiving on a normal, regular, any minute minute to minute, second to second basis, okay, because of how much information we are receiving. And so if you are someone that is in this category of, well, I'm really skeptical, I just don't know that I believe that this thing, that these things exist. I don't believe that uh people can hear these, you know, footsteps when there's nobody actually in the room, whatever. Our neuroscience tells us that our brains, like you have literally just programmed your brain to tune out that information if it occurs.

SPEAKER_03 35:04

I think it goes further because then they could say the same argument for you that you trained your brain to hear these things.

SPEAKER_01 35:10

Of course, it goes both ways.

SPEAKER_03 35:11

What it is is we know for a fact that our brain acts as a sort of antenna because uh quantum physics has shown us away from the paranormal that that we can't perceive the true nature of reality whatsoever. All we can perceive is what it takes for us to exist without kind of having overload, right? Mm-hmm. But the the true nature of reality, I mean, I've been diving into lately the the uh holograph, uh, the hologram theory, holographic universe. Yeah, holographic universe, and you know, still keeping with block universe and multi-universe and everything else, but all of this quantum physics stuff sort of shows our observations and thoughts on a thing play a much more prominent part than I think a lot of people really want to understand.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:54

And I think there's something to that. Excuse me, I think there's something to that. And yes, I do believe that when you have people that are in a certain state, whether it's through meditation, whether it's through excitement, like you'll see, you know, we uh you've talked about the idea of play before being in a state of play, you know, whether it's through excitement or happy feelings, or whether it's going through trauma, like we've talked about in a lot of hauntings, there's something that's able to happen that we're able to connect with this other basis of reality that you've heard me call the network, that we refer to as the network. And we're able to get downloads, we're able to have these experiences, and that's about as far as I can go with with what behind it, right? And I think it's that's I think it's why it always sounds so similar and recorded and mechanical, even.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

Well, yes, but okay, so back to the original, you know, number two point. Um, I do think, though, and this is something I've talked about in, you know, way like kind of at the beginning of RGO, the the idea of like having a battery, right? Of so me going in there and energetically like tapping into these things, whatever. Like, I don't have unlimited energy stores, and this is something you and I have actively worked on together. We've had like sessions with Sarah on this. We do exercises on these things for you know, energy exercises basically, but more specifically, working on you sending energy to me to help me better do these things. And so this also is kind of playing into your theory of, you know, there's the connection, right, between like us and the spiritual thing and the device, right? So I think it might be the same kind of deal when I'm doing Estes, right? Us, in this case, you and I, because that's also giving me energy, or you know, whoever. Like, let's say, you know, you're sending that energy, and maybe uh we also tell, like, you know, Chelsea and Eric and Wayne, like, okay, while we're doing this, like, send this energy to me, which actually we experimented with that one time when we got the crazy shit with the mirror sitting in the living room, but that's what we were doing. But anyway, um, that energetic source is then, you know, helping me better be able to have this connection. Yeah. Right. And so that's why I'm saying I think like those EVPs, yes, some of that me coming through, but I think that that's why that it's like those things specifically, because that's for me at least the pattern that I've noticed is there will it always seem to be at a certain point when you seem to be getting like a bit too far away or whatever. You'll feel it disconnecting. Yeah. And I think that that's why. I think that's like my subconscious kind of coming through and being like, no, no, like you're going too far away. You need to come back.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

Could be. Now that beeping we're hearing is the the washer.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

It's singing us a song.

SPEAKER_03 38:40

Oh, I think I hear it.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

I think so. That's pretty loud. Please enjoy.

SPEAKER_03 38:47

We can hear it. The beautiful renditions of I don't know why all our appliances sing to us.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

Yeah, I know. How can you turn that off? It's actually really fucking interesting. Like it's really long, too. It's like the dishwasher, the fucking washer, all the way. Okay, so anyway. So that so that's I agree.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

I think that there's that connection there because there's the connection, because you and I have intent when we're doing these things.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

Yes, we're just gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03 39:08

Just like if someone's working ceremonial magic, there's a connection there because of the intent and the focus.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

And I mean, that was if you think back to okay, so thinking about like the very first time that we ever brought Eric to an investigation with us, that was the exact moment when he said that he felt everything shift.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

Was when you and I sat down and we did one of those energy exercises to juice things up, if you will. And he was like, Holy shit, like you felt everything change. Well, I think you have to We're very intentional about that.

SPEAKER_03 39:40

And I think you have to be just weird enough to believe that kind of thing to do it.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

And I think it is a bit esoteric, and I think What is it though?

SPEAKER_03 39:48

Outside of we call it esoteric because we we look at these these sciences as like we in in in in this modern time, we've become so obsessed with materialism, we have lost and humanism that we have lost the ability to think about what people will use the word spiritual, and I almost kind of hate that word these days, but this connection to the network that we all have, like we've lost it. And because we're too focused on what did someone write a paper about that we say they can prove, and everything else is woo-woo, and well, I think it's just some modern. And what people never think about is is that they they they like to think that we live in this time where we know everything, but for for literally countless millions of years, uh countless cultures have all said the same thing. Nope, there's something spiritual going on, right? But now in these modern times, people like laugh in the face of all of that and they say, nope, that doesn't exist, that's all woo-woo. But you're going against what people have known since the beginning of time. And all of a sudden you're saying that our time is so um learned, I guess, that we just like that all of that just meant nothing. I don't think so. I think we're misguided.

SPEAKER_01 41:00

Yes, most people today think that they're way smarter than everybody else.

SPEAKER_03 41:04

What's next on the list?

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Um, okay. Next on the list, uh, number three is what were the fucking bat things that were flying at?

SPEAKER_03 41:13

What do you think that was? First I thought it was bats. You hear me say it.

SPEAKER_01 41:17

Well, yeah, and I mean we talked about that in the episode because Eric and Wayne even, they were the ones they brought up that really good point. Like if it was, you would hear them.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

Well, and then because one thing we didn't bring up on the episode that we did is we took our red flashlights and we went up and down those halls in those rooms, flashing on and on, trying to to a see them or get them to move or do anything. Nothing. Nothing was there. Okay. Those things were.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

Well, I mean, if there were if there were actual bats in there, it would have we would have noticed that at multiple times throughout the night. Right.

SPEAKER_03 41:50

It reminded me so much of two incidents. One was not long before uh Waverly at Octagon. We were seeing the same phenomena go tree to tree. From treetop to tree top.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

The little mothman's that we call it that because they look like little shadow things.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

They look like little bat dogs. Oh, yeah. Um the only other time I experienced that, you remember this. We had heard something in the house. I get up out of the bed and I'm walking by one of these, like that gold Oh yeah. Yeah, that gold, like sort of shelf thing, and you saw me jump.

SPEAKER_00 42:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:22

Because something came darting out of it. And that I said reminded me of my old cat Ely. She was a little little thing like Millie, black cat, though, and it looked like a black little mask gone like that. Same thing as going to the treetops. It looked like the all of those. So a sh a type of shadow being, I don't know. But it looked this very similar, it was very fast like that.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

Okay, so we were seeing shadow things all night in various capacities around Waverly. Do you think that it's all the same? Like, was that the bat thing that's dive bombing you? Was that the same as what we saw in the hallway waving at us? You know, like You know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 43:01

The way that I would have to figure that out is I'd have to ask other people that have been to Waverly if they've had that same experience of those things kind of flying over their head. Because going back to one of the pieces of quote evidence that we didn't get, but another team got at Waverly that we talked about on the episode was those that group of uh ladies that got the the class A EVP.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

Yeah, which is the next thing on the list.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

Is it because that's that that again though, I think coincides with this because I can't for me, I would have to talk to other people, see how many people experienced that similar phenomenon, but more importantly, how many of them experienced it in the place that we were at?

SPEAKER_01 43:39

In the same location.

SPEAKER_03 43:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

Uh-huh. But I know typically when you talk about these things though, you're like, oh, it's all the same. So it's interesting to me that that wasn't just an easy answer for you of it's all the same.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

Well let's let's not let's um let's uh let's realize we've kind of we're kind of simplifying. When I say that. Um, when I say all the same, I mean coming from the same sort of source. Like, I'm not one of these like aliens, ghosts, demons, fairies, djinn, uh, cryptids, uh, you know, Bigfoot versus like I think they're all being projected from the same source. I think they're all the same phenomena being experienced in different ways. We have talked to people that have had an experience together and they both had the experience, but they both saw it and witnessed it, heard it in different ways. This is what's very profound to me, because it means that the nature of the phenomena itself doesn't seem to be um like you or I, we have a form, right? It's I'm boring you to death. No, it seems to be that it's connected to a way that we're going to understand it based off of our uh conscious or or whatever it is it's connecting with, which that's what I think it is connecting with.

SPEAKER_01 44:55

But I mean, sure, but again, reticular activating system, but also I think that that's just how how it is. Like no two humans are the same. Like when you look at mediumship, everybody's going to have, you know, different kind of specialties or things that they're that are I don't know, their proclivity, if you will. Like for me, Claire Audience is probably my strongest sense, but it also makes sense because my training is as a classical musician. Like I I'm very trained in audio, you know, so it makes sense that that would be my strongest thing. Versus somebody, like if they were an artist, you know, they're probably gonna be very strong at clairvoyance, you know, or like just how like if you take Sarah and I in the backyard, she's gonna see completely different things and I probably will. Like, sure, there might be some crossover, but like she's really fucking great at like reading the land and seeing like the natural energies and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 45:55

That kind of goes to my point because I feel like even though you're looking y'all are experiencing it in different ways, or or well, you might put it, you're better at one than she's better at the other, or naturally better at one than the other. It's still the same thing. You're still tapping into this thing, this this network. It's all the fucking network.

SPEAKER_00 46:12

It's all the fucking network. Exactly, but you're both experiencing it.

SPEAKER_03 46:16

But you're both experiencing it differently, right? So this takes me back to a great story that that uh Gary Nolan had said from Stanford, which is these girls that were having a UFO experience, and they both saw it, okay? Both saw their own eyes, but other people around them did not. So they decided to take a picture, they took a picture. When they get home, they look at the picture, and they don't see what either of them witnessed, but they see like a something, but look like just like a metallic black block. So there's this thing they saw, they saw it and perceived it in kind of different ways from each other, but they both saw it. No one else around them saw it. This should show us the mat just matter-of-factly that what was happening was connected to them in a certain way. So I really think that that's what what happens. The the the people that we talked to, I won't name their names, but we went to their property that had the Bigfoot experience, the Sasquatch experience, they saw it at the same time. But but the way it looked so wildly different to each of them and sounded so wildly different is uh is what's compelling to me.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

Yeah, but then the other thing, whenever you talk about this, what this makes me think of though is if you look at, let's say, investigators, like cops, whatever, FBI. Human witnesses are notoriously unreliable because of our memories, and it is very like it's just a well it's well known that multiple witnesses can witness the same thing, and they're all typically gonna have, you know, a different story, you know, and meaning like they'll they'll tell the same story, but the details and all of the things, yeah, it's gonna be different because they're perceiving it through like their own lens.

SPEAKER_03 47:57

They all saw the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 47:59

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 47:59

Is the point. This is brings up an interesting philosophical question of how can we say which one of those accounts is the quote unquote reality? We have to understand that they're all the reality. Well, because the nature of reality is a person, right? Which is the nature of reality, which is so holographic almost that you really anyone listening, that's a rabbit hole to go down. The the holographic universe theory is pretty compelling and it's very well respected, and it it basically it accounts for paranormal phenomena. So it's an interesting one. Drive uh dive down that rabbit hole. Um, where were we at?

SPEAKER_01 48:34

Um well, we were talking about the bat things, but then also leading into the class A EVP.

SPEAKER_03 48:40

Leading into that. So yes, we because maybe it is the same. So these ladies that had the the the what they kept calling the class A E VP or whatever, which uh yeah, it sounded great.

SPEAKER_01 48:48

It's sound like we told the story on the Yeah, but it sounded like a recording of a little girl.

SPEAKER_03 48:53

So if you were to take a doll and pull the string and it like said a thing or whatever, that's what it sounds like. Literally. Like it sounded like those little devices.

SPEAKER_01 49:03

I mean, it was it was obviously like, you know, in the distance, kind of like at a whisper, like as an EVP is, but it was very clear. You didn't have to, you know, like, oh, listen super hard or it's super hard to hear. You know, it was it was very clear, it was very distinct, it was very definite. Every single person who listens to that EVP, like there's no question about what it says. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

And what's interesting is we'll never know this about Waverly because the history is going to be so convoluted. But I do say I've looked this up and we talked about this with Chelsea a little bit. I don't even know if we aired it, but we talked about it. We've found places where there's been a lot of history that's been fabricated there.

SPEAKER_01 49:39

Oh, we talked about it. I left it all in.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Good, big time. So that's a big problem. And I think that what's what's more interesting about fabricated history to me, because let's real quick, let's say this about history. People forget our version of history, even if it's the accepted what we see as non-fabricated version of history, it still is. It's still from the winner's account, it's still from someone's account, man. Like it's still from the source it came from. So, what I find interesting about historical hauntings, we'll call it that. Historical places that are haunted. They all have these stories, they all have these hauntings, and people are all seeing this same phenomenon. The experiment should be what it we should just have a place that's like not known to be haunted at all, but give it that backstory, give it that history, see if people see the apparitions. I bet they do. We are in a world full of agricourse.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

Yeah, and I mean I do think that that's something common at these, you know, well-known places where people are telling the story over and over and over and over, whether or not it's actually true or based on historical information, and that creates it. Yes. I think I don't think that's the case for all of the places.

SPEAKER_03 50:44

When does something become true even if it never happened, but enough people believe it?

SPEAKER_01 50:49

Well, I think it goes back to your, you know, your question you say you would pose to skeptics on like, well, do you just not believe that the activity is occurring? Or like that, the oh my god, did you just kick Hurricane in the face?

SPEAKER_03 51:04

Not in the face.

SPEAKER_01 51:05

Poor poor boy, he was just laying under the table. Anyway, or however the fuck you phrased it, but um you know, yeah, like it those experiences are still being had, so real in the sense that, you know, people are having those encounters and those experiences. Does that make the factual historical information real? No.

SPEAKER_03 51:30

Right, but at what point does that kind of cross over? At what point does belief change the past?

SPEAKER_01 51:37

No, there is no point that that crosses over. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 51:40

There's a lot of people. There's a see you say that, but then you dive into the quantum physics world, and there's a lot of people that are theorizing that what we believe now changes past, present, future.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

Yeah, sure. But then you're talking about other timelines or like other dimensions. Like we are in this timeline and this dimension.

SPEAKER_03 51:56

You think that, but it gets deeper. You're looking at the world very materialist science, what we know now. Really, there's a I'll I'm gonna send you this stuff, and it'll it'll drive you into a fucking madhouse, this this quantum physics stuff. Like, there's a lot to be said about this idea, not even a time slip, not even going into different time, but like could reality be constantly changing, past, present, and future, like the uh what's that effect they call with the man the Mandela effect or whatever?

SPEAKER_01 52:20

Yeah, but I think that this then just gets into the you know the philosophical discussion we've had before on parapeculiar on like, do you believe in free will or do you believe in fate?

SPEAKER_03 52:33

It's a tough one.

SPEAKER_01 52:34

I'm more of a fake girl right now. Exactly. So if it's fate, then guess what? We're not sitting here changing the past with things that we're saying because somebody keeps telling a story over and over that there's a little girl at the Drift School that found up fell down the stairs and died.

SPEAKER_03 52:49

Right, but the thing that allows us to keep observing this reality is that illusion of that what we are doing is based off of our thinking right now and that we have that free will. Without that, there's nothing, right? So maybe we can't even observe reality if we don't have that.

SPEAKER_01 53:04

If we don't have free will?

SPEAKER_03 53:06

Or the illusion of free will.

SPEAKER_01 53:07

Well, I mean, everything's an illusion. An illusion of choice, illusion of free will, illusion of control.

SPEAKER_03 53:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

That bottle popping you did was destined to happen. I'm also a fate girly.

SPEAKER_03 53:19

Yeah, I think I am too. I'm a fate girly. That's a that's an interesting thing.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

If I mean I know this is a down the rabbit hole episode, but we've already had this discussion before. It is on parapet.

SPEAKER_03 53:27

And you're yawning like eight times at this point. You're tired. You're I don't know what you're ready to get out of this rather.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

Well, I don't know what episode we did it on, so you'll have to figure it out so I can't.

SPEAKER_03 53:34

Just listen to all of them.

SPEAKER_01 53:35

So I can post it in the show notes to reference. What was the next um okay? So, well, we still need to talk about that EVP though, because what we had touched on in the episode was the potential of like thinking that they potentially had created it with their like a projection of their own consciousness.

SPEAKER_03 53:56

Well, that's what I'm talking about with the historical hauntings. Like they probably went in there with this idea because a lot of these teams do, and this isn't enough.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

Spell it out for me as if I've never heard you talk about this before.

SPEAKER_03 54:07

So a lot of these teams do this, and I I can't fault them for it, I guess, but a lot of these teams go in in these places like Waverly Hills, and the story they have in their head, I don't know where they get it from often, is like it's always some little girl, first off, right? There's always a little girl, there's always some story of someone that died tragically. Someone that died tragically, right? So that's what they're always looking for. So I think when they go into these rooms at Waverly Hills, they have it in their head, they're looking for the story of someone who died tragically. Because in a lot of people's minds, that's what's responsible for the paranormal phenomena. I personally believe that it's pretty obvious that that's so far removed from what it is, regardless, the because of the nature of how this works, it seems, they can still generate that in a way. I don't believe to me, it's a stretch to think that there's some little girl who died in Waverly Hills 100 years ago, whatever it is, 200 years ago, whatever it was, and the poor thing still is confused about what has happened and is wandering around aimlessly, did I die? And the only way they can communicate is when some ghost hunters go in. That to me is to look at it that way, I think is I don't want to use it's it's wrong, okay? It's just wrong. There's no there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Like, that's anyone, anyone with their soul, this is why the paranormal I think it's laughed at.

SPEAKER_01 55:23

Well, I think this is also you have to look at things as it's an evolution as you're growing and learning. Like, we have no idea how long they've been doing this, you know? And I know we like to shit on the paranormal sometimes. However, everybody has to start somewhere. Like, have I done that? Are there episodes where we've talked about that? Yeah, 100%. I get it. But do I also still believe that that can be the case? Yes, well, see that's fan girl.

SPEAKER_03 55:50

Yeah, well, that that that to me, that's the tough one because I think that would mean I would never want to die. I think about this all the time. Like, if if the way that the spirit life works, according to a lot of people that are in the paranormal world or practice this stuff, you know, whether we can make ghosts do we want them to do, or they're they don't know they're dead, or we have to somehow help them cross over. I just that then seems to me like it's gonna be horrible when we fucking die.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

Yeah, but when you talk about that, you're talking about things as in like, oh, it's in across the board, this is what happens. I don't think that's the case. Like I think there are very like specific certain instances in which some of these things occur. Do I think that that is the norm? No. Do I think that that is what happened happens to most people when they die? No. You know, and I mean, sure, there's gonna be like little different like caveats and asterisks, whatever, to all of these things. Like maybe one day I'll get bored enough that I'll sit down and make a fucking, I don't know, appendix of all of these things and what I believe might potentially cause them to occur.

SPEAKER_03 56:50

Well, I just think it's interesting that a lot of these historical stories they always play on the inherent emotions of us that we have carnistically, uh meaning it's always either a little girl or a or a or a like a woman, like a bride or something that we can feel is somehow a um softer or they're a victim or whatever, or if it's a guy, he's always like the villain of the story.

SPEAKER_01 57:12

It's something tragic. It's just something is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 57:16

Even though you and I have done this enough though, that we've seen how many times those stories are wrong, yet people are having that phenomena based off of what they see as the reality of the nature reality. So, at what point does the history even matter if everyone believes it and they're now generating phenomena based off of maybe that is the actual history, even if it didn't happen. That's the philosophical thing.

SPEAKER_01 57:34

That is that is one of the big problems that I have with the paranormal, I will say, is people don't take the time to go find out the actual history. Like we all know, don't believe everything you read on the internet. However, somehow that like doesn't apply to the paranormal, I guess. And people Google what's the history, and then they fucking just believe it and don't actually look into it.

SPEAKER_03 57:52

You and I were listening to a conversation the other day, I believe it was with Diane Pasolka, and she's an academic and and researched this and was talking about something that it was like a light bulb moment for us. She was like, People think that they're looking into history and research, but they forget that most of the actual source material of things is not even digitized. Yeah. It's in fucking books that you have to like be go scour through. You have to well, you have to know you and you have to be get in.

SPEAKER_01 58:17

Yeah. And that's that's exactly why, you know, um, like I'm thinking, because we're going to deal with this tomorrow with the, you know, little crossover we're gonna have with Night Owl podcast. Um, right now he's doing the investigation at Sunset Strip, which is in the same building as the RGO episode on uh Eden, which we did, which is it is a crazy case, which funny enough, actually is not known at all. Um, but we're we're going in there, and when when Taylor and I were doing that research, we spent so long in the fucking Austin History Center because that shit is not digitized. We were going through all the old city directories, we pulled up the original Sandborne maps to the city. Like you that shit is not digitized. And so I think the the issue lies in the sense that a lot of, you know, and I'm not gonna say this is right or wrong. Is it the way that I do it? Obviously not. However, I think a lot of the paranormal, you know, people like you just need to call yourself what you're doing. You know, don't say you're a paranormal investigator or researcher because that implies you are investigating something or researching something. If you're not gonna go do that research, you're just there for the experience, and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But don't then try to like present information, like the historical information, as if you like, you know, did the research.

SPEAKER_03 59:43

The the reason I'm I'm so far removed now from the idea of like historical research on hauntings and paranormal phenomena, I could care less about it. To me, it's meaningless because it's been proven to me time and time again that since that doesn't matter, like the phenomena exist, whether or not it happened at a whatever, even if the history's wrong, it now generates. So since we know that it's not about the history, like literally that's proof. It's proof that it's seemingly more about how we view history and the world around us and how we think about it and what we generate. So I'm more interested in that level of the phenomenon. I don't I don't think any of it's historical based, none of it. I think that's only because we think it is, and that's why oftentimes, even if it's wrong, history, that's what we're seeing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:24

Okay, but just to clarify, on RGO episodes, we are still always going to be doing the actual historical to find out what actually occurred and what is not just, you know, the story people are telling.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:35

History's great. I love history. I just don't think it has anything to do with the phenomena itself.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

Well, sure, as we discussed, people I think often create it based on the stories they are telling. So egg war situation, which is also why, and again, listeners, if you know of places like this, please tell me because they're a lot more difficult to find the places like, say, Moonshines in Austin or Eden, even since we were just talking about that as well, where sure it's a local place. Um, if you are local, maybe you have heard the scuttle butt that, like, oh, it's it's supposed to be haunted, right? But like you can't necessarily go Google it and find all of these stories and all of this information on it, you know. Like I like the town lore.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:21

Like, how many towns do you think have a a story where if you park somewhere, you get your car gets pushed by ghosts or a lady on the bridge? Like those are what I'm looking for. We need to explore those. Like every little small town, they're diners and they're ghosts.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:34

Well, I don't want to do like the railroad track things because that's typically, you know, the whole natural phenomenon of it that actually is uphill or whatever, but you can't just see it. But anyway, um, the reason that I'm interested in those is because it's not gonna be like a Driscoll situation where people are going in there night night in, night out, night in, night out, telling the same story, regurgitating the same information that is not based in actual fact. So when you go into places like this and you're talking to the employees and you're talking to people and you're wading through all of these stories, and people are having similar experiences in similar places, and it's not based in anything, that to me is really fucking interesting. And then when you dive in and start, you know, going down to the history center and digging shit up and you're like, oh shit, that actually coincides with this thing, like that to me is really fucking interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:24

I just think that, and that that's all well and good. I think though it should never take away from spending time going down to the research center is great, but we should spend more time talking to the experiencers, understanding the experiencers, their state of mind, and and and what they felt, saw, experienced. For sure, but it's really at the end of the day, it is about that experiencer. For sure. That's a tough um big rabbit hole because people experience things different ways. But uh the beep was next.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

What? Why are you going we already talked about all of these?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:57

We talked about the beep. You're like ADD and so are you like drunk? Uh are you on drugs? I might be. No, um, we talked about those in the beginning. We've done how many we've been doing this all day.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:09

We've been doing this all day. I'm fucked. I've I've been philosophical about ghosts all day, and then we're hearing them on our recordings now at this point.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:17

So that's prosecco all over the kitchen.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:19

So that's our that's our down the rabbit hole episode.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:22

And we did go down the down the rabbit hole a little bit, didn't we?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:24

And this is something I I hope that people can see and acknowledge and also appreciate. We obviously have differing opinions on some things.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:35

You and I? Yes. Oh, many things. We are not an echo chamber. I say that all the time. We are not in an echo chamber.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:39

I hope can set an example that it in fact, well, I think it's a good thing, though, to be able to have disagreements. However, you have to be curious and open-minded and listen to the other person. Oh, I'm sorry, I got something hot in my throat there. Um, but you know, to know, like, I think it's a good thing to have different opinions and to be able to have these discussions and talk about it, just like how we were talking about in the last episode, that a lot of, you know, the paranormal community, they're like, ghosts, die, die hard ghosts, and they're not looking at, you know, any like cryptid stuff or UFO or whatever. It's all paranormal under that umbrella. So, like, why why are we getting our panties in such a bunch? Like, why can't we look at all of the things and take all of them into consideration? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:28

Bigfoot's real.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:28

Bull van.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:30

Big I You're a Mothman, girly. I'm pro Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:35

I mean, I'm pro Bigfoot too, but you know, that's gonna be an episode we'll do.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:39

That's our next coming up down the rabbit hole. So we went in a wrestling match, Bigfoot or Mothman.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:44

Well, I'm gonna be honest, after that one interview that we did with the uh Cryptids of the Corn guy on Parapeculiar, that literally is one of my favorite episodes we've ever done because he's a radical dude. He has that background as what is it, like a biologist or something with specifically working with endangered animals. After that conversation with him, I am I am convinced, speaking of Bigfoot, that no, that Bigfoot is actually real and just you know really good at hiding from people. So anyway, shout out to Or he's just really blurry. Um, maybe. But shout shout out to that parapeculiar, parapeculiar episode. I thought it was great.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:17

Which I am we are gonna get him on again, I think, as soon as he just put out a book about those plasmons. Anyways, that's our down the rabbit hole, and that's like our eighth hour of podcasting today. We're gonna go clean up the kitchen. Well, we gotta go see what the fucking ghost phenomena was, too. So that's our life. That's our life. Cleaning up for seco and finding ghosts. Okay, uh, is that it?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

Uh, I mean, that's never it, but that's it for right now. That's it for right now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:39

All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:40

Okay, bye.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:40

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SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

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