41. The Real Ghosts Of...Waverly Hills Sanatorium: Part 3

In Part 3 of our Waverly Hills series on The Real Ghosts Of… Podcast, we have a profound moment of experiencing an elusive paranormal manifestation—one that many investigators spend entire careers hoping to witness. This final investigation installment at the legendary Waverly Hills Sanatorium delivers a spine-tingling encounter that perfectly encapsulates the thrill of true ghost stories and paranormal investigations. Amid the pulse-quickening energy, we also launch into an honest, passionate discussion on ethics and respect in our field—challenging some questionable practices we witnessed along the way.

Join us as we balance the exhilaration of uncovering unexplained phenomena with a call for integrity in the paranormal realm. Whether you're a seasoned investigator or simply captivated by ghost lore, this episode offers a transformative experience that may forever change the way you view the spirit world.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:03

Small.

SPEAKER_10 0:04

Yes, I am. I actually am. For these modern times that I live in, I am sure I brother or sister who is I'm talking to you. I'm 5'6.

SPEAKER_03 0:14

Me too.

SPEAKER_00 0:18

Welcome to the Real Ghosts of the podcast, where we explore haunted locations in and around Austin, Texas. We're your hosts, Nicole Hardy.

SPEAKER_08 0:46

Like, why is it that the intros to the RGO podcast are literally always the ghost making fun of me?

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Well, I think that's how it should be, Damien.

SPEAKER_08 0:54

I see. I see. Alright, well, that was um, oh, here we are, and the second part of the Waverly Hills investigation.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Still sit in here, still recording.

SPEAKER_08 1:03

Still recording. There's a lot to unpack on this episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Yeah, these are the two, in my opinion, but I don't know, probably most profound, but I feel like that's like overused at this point. Thought-provoking, I don't know, intense. But it is profound. Experiences that we've had thus far.

SPEAKER_08 1:26

It's profound in the sense that if you have these type of experiences, it it changes you as an individual.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Well, yeah, I mean, it just it makes you think. And especially for me, the Estes session that we did in the OR, which we'll get to it, we'll play clips from it. Um, the information that was coming through on that is just It's out of sight. Yeah, and I mean we'll talk about it more, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:52

And we're not gonna play the whole one because it's like a 30-minute S. This is long.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

Well, it was it was really long. Um, I so there are different clips from it, but um, yeah, so okay, let's getting back into it. So welcome to part two. Part two. Well, I guess technically this is Waverly Part Three, but this is the second half of our investigation that we did. And so we kind of mentioned this last time, you know, for us, even when we were there investigating, it was also broken up into these two different parts, I guess. Yeah, because we did our whole investigation, everything you heard in the last episode. We went back to the command center, we had some snacks, kind of regrouped, everybody took a potty break. Um, you know, just went grocery shopping. Caught caught our breaths for a minute. Um, and then we embarked on the second half of our investigation. Um yeah, and so first thing that we know we wanted to do, we wanted to head up to the OR. And so this one was a bit different than than the first time, you know, where we're just kind of wandering around, like, I don't know, what feels weird. This one we went in knowing, like we want to go to the OR. And we also knew going up there, you know, especially since it was a group of people, that there would likely be some people already up there investigating. So we're like, okay, cool, like we'll head up there, we'll, you know, let them do their thing, we'll wait it out whenever they're done, we'll go in there.

SPEAKER_08 3:23

I'm gonna touch on this at some point of this episode briefly, and then we are gonna dive into it on our down the rabbit hole episode. But there is a a lesson to be learned here when it comes to being a paranormal investigator, and we're gonna see that unfold, and I'll talk about it, and then we'll go deeper on it on down the rabbit hole. But let's start there. So we we are about to literally have, in my opinion, one of the wildest Estes sessions I've ever experienced.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Mm-hmm. Which is saying something because I feel like we say that about all of the Esther sessions that we do.

SPEAKER_08 4:01

Well, unedited, how long was this, would you say? This one that we did in this room?

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 4:06

I would have to Over 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Yes, definitely.

SPEAKER_08 4:09

Which is a long time to be doing that and having this conversation. There were some emotional parts in it.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

And this was like you can hear, I forget if it was parts that I left in or not. I think there is, but like you can even tell in my voice that I was like in it.

SPEAKER_08 4:26

You were in it. There was times where you are completing my sentences.

SPEAKER_00 4:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 4:31

Which is wild.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 4:33

Which is wild. So let's start there. So we we we kind of regrouped, we're going up to this area, and why did we want to go up there so bad?

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Well, the OR. Yeah. I mean, it's a it's a hot spot area, but also, you know, there's a lot of shit that goes down in the OR. So we go up there and we did end up having to wait a little bit. So let's um well, if there's anything you want to discuss before we play, said clip, but uh, we go up there and there was a group already in there investigating, which we expected, you know, and we were standing um in a room kind of across the hallway, waiting for them to finish up or letting them do their thing, you know. And I will say, it's speaking of lessons from the case. Like I'm shaking my head here. I'm actually annoyed. Um ethics thing here, too. When you are doing an investigation like this, do not monopolize a space, okay? Please be mindful of the fact that there are other people likely waiting to get into these locations. So especially, it's like the fucking gym, okay? Like if you're on a piece of equipment and somebody is waiting and somebody is waiting to use it, don't sit there for fucking 30 more minutes, okay?

SPEAKER_08 5:40

No matter what kind of gains you're after, okay?

SPEAKER_00 5:42

But like you need to be mindful. And so, anyway, first of all, yeah, I'm sure they were very nice people. However, they were very oblivious to, I don't know, you know, common courtesy.

SPEAKER_08 5:54

Common courtesy to us, but also, and I'm gonna touch on this. I I am like it has to be said on this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

I think we should talk about it after we play the clip.

SPEAKER_08 6:01

We will. I'm hot. I'm hot right now. I'm hot, I'm a hot little potato. Go off. Well, we we'll do it afterwards because I want people to hear and understand what these people were doing. And we don't know them by name, so we're not we're not able to call them out. They're just some bros.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Just present what they were doing. If you just want to just paint the picture, we are just neutrally painting the picture of what they were doing. I'm painting this picture with saying just paint it neutrally because then we're gonna play the clip and let the ghosts speak for themselves before we pop off.

SPEAKER_08 6:30

All right, so so Dude Bro Paranormal was in the in the OR room, uh, and we went up there and they were in there doing their thing, so we were waiting, right? And so we got to hear. We got the ability to hear their their methods or whatever. What they were doing, and they had all these beeping devices or whatever, they were recreating an emergency room scene where someone's dying.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

A surgery, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 6:55

Okay, a surgery where someone's dying and code, code blueing, and this and that. They had shooter, going beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

Yeah, they had the sound effects going. Like they must have like pre-found all of these sound clips for like a heart monitor.

SPEAKER_08 7:09

Well, they came out, they're fucking little they came out here with their dicks all hard and they were like, they looked at me and they're like, oh, we did this method. And I remember looking at them and just being like, I wanted to say so much, but I didn't because we had a group of people there and we had our own thing going on. But this is a problem, and I'm gonna touch on it, I guess, uh, you know, but that's what they were doing. They were recreating some horrible, awful surgery.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

A surgery where somebody almost died. Or died, you know, at well, no, because at the end, I do I do have the full I'm not putting it in here. If you want to watch it, you can hear it. It's we live stream the whole thing, it's on our Patreon, um, the full video, but you can hear them, you know, doing the whole surgery and saying, clear, clear, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they're like, Oh, I think he's gonna make it, you know. So they do they they do make it at the end.

SPEAKER_08 7:55

But I'm gonna say they were pieces of fucking shit. So am I able to make the say the funny part now or do the clip first?

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Well, let's let's play the clip. And so I I want to know, I did to the best of my ability, um raised the volume as much as I'm able to.

SPEAKER_08 8:10

Well, these are from our road mics, aren't they?

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Yeah, and so these are the mics that we are wearing, okay? So we are across the hall, like in this big ass room at the end of this room, okay? And so it's very faint. It's right at the beginning, but you can hear whatever device they're using. I'm assuming it's probably an ovulus, but you hear it go off. It it says something, and then you hear me whisper to Damien, like, oh my God. And so you kind of hear our little back and forth interaction.

SPEAKER_08 8:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Um, so we're gonna play that for you. Uh, yeah, we're just gonna we're gonna play it.

SPEAKER_08 8:46

And then I'm and then I'm gonna go off on tangent. So here we go. Here's the clip right now. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Please leave.

SPEAKER_08 9:22

Please leave. And and I will never that is actually this whole trip that we went on for this investigation and we're was probably one of the most memorable moments to me was because we're standing out there waiting for them, these dudes to leave this room, stop doing the stupid shit they're doing, and you look at me and you go, it just said please leave. And because we were both like, what are they doing in there?

SPEAKER_00 9:43

And well, we were we were getting annoyed at this point because they had been in there. Oh god. It was like we were waiting, I want to say at least 20 or 30 minutes, okay? And there were even like I we were even going back and forth because there were a few clips of like shit that happened while we were waiting for them to leave, okay? Like at one point I was feeling some crazy cold spot and it goes away, and I'm like, wait, can you come back? That felt really good. And then it comes back and I'm like, oh, it's like built-in AC. And you got like freaking pinched, and you're like, oh, that was really painful. You know, so like there were they were in there long enough that we were having experience with the city.

SPEAKER_08 10:17

Well, these experiences honestly were probably telling us, like, go in there and get these bros out of my fucking world. Like these guys, I'm sorry, I'm gonna I'm gonna do this. There's two things. Like, one, we heard please leave from the other room. Yeah. They heard it too.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Like the ghosts are literally saying please leave.

SPEAKER_08 10:33

So it's coming through their bullshit devices saying please leave, and they keep going clear, clear, like and oh my god. First off, can I I'm gonna go off on this a little bit. Go off. So if their bullshit theories are right, which they're not, that they're contacting uh a ghost of a dead person who died during some surgery. What kind of a piece of shit, what kind of a piece of shit uses recreating the most painful, scary experience you've ever had to get you to say some shit to be on their fucking recorded devices. Fuck you. Fuck you. Okay, fuck you. That's coming from me. All right. That's bullshit.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

You have done some provocation before you've gotten some shit for it.

SPEAKER_08 11:15

Nothing close to that, though. That's disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 11:18

Okay. That's literally going in and be like, hey, I'm gonna make you recreate, all right, literally the worst experience ever, over and over and over again. So I and my stupid team with our black t-shirts that say our fucking bullshit paranormal. No, to get some evidence. No, fuck you.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

So do you not agree with people doing recreations in general? And this is something Okay, it depends on the recreation. Hold on, bruv. You gotta let me talk. Yeah. Okay, I know you're jazzed up.

SPEAKER_08 11:46

I'm jazz I'm hot. Hot potato, hot little potato.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Okay. So we were kind of talking about this before we hit record, and then finally we're like, we just need to hit record. Yeah. Um, because you know, if you are a paranormal investigator, we know that this is something that is a a pretty standard practice to do recreations like this. However, because one of the questions I posed, well, I was like, okay, well, so then what's the difference if they're doing this recreation and you have such a problem with it, then like going into other locations? Like, like I we've gone into plenty where, you know, we've like dressed up like an old brothel and we dressed up in that manner, you know.

SPEAKER_08 12:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Um, which you did have a good point on that. So I'll let you know.

SPEAKER_08 12:22

Yeah, well, so the point is this first off, and we'll we'll touch more on this on our down the rabbit hole episode. We'll we'll go deep, so make sure to listen. First and foremost, uh, they are wrong in their methodology because what's probably happening is they and their psyches and what they believe are connecting with something and then making this this phenomena happen. Anyways, we're never gonna give absurd. Anyways, anyways, so well, in some ways we will. But anyways, let's say that they're right. Let's say that their theories are right, okay, which I'm saying right now on record they're not, but let's say that they are. Um, you mean to tell me, so then yes, it even in um uh Gettysburg, if you really think that what you're doing is stirring these ghosts up of these dead people that fought on this battlefield, I don't care if it's Union or Confederate soldiers or whatever, and your way of getting your bullshit quote evidence so your bullshit ghost hunting crew can have something to show your bullshit ghost hunter friends is to recreate the most painful, negative, scary experiences for these people and make them do that over and over again? Fuck you.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

So do you I don't think that's what's happening.

SPEAKER_08 13:23

We'll touch on that in another episode, but the fact that they think it is is what's got my bacon cooked.

SPEAKER_00 13:29

Sure. So do you then think that all of these people because even not in the paranormal world, like doing these recreations of, say, historical battles is very commonplace.

SPEAKER_08 13:40

Yeah, which is bullshit. And I mean They're not thinking about the the these people that go in and do this, they're gonna it's gonna be funny. When you watch these teams do this stupid shit, which again, I'm gonna go on record and we'll talk about my theories on a later episode, but they're wrong and that is an absolute. But but there are no absolutes. Okay, if it's not an absolute, then then anyone should be pissed at these people. So, okay, are we gonna go to a plantation and we're gonna go to an enslaved person's ghost? No, you shouldn't though, because that's the same thing. Why would you do that? Why would you make a person, if you believe that their ghost is recreating this because you're doing this whole like theatrical thing, why would you do that?

SPEAKER_00 14:17

I'm not saying of the afterlife.

SPEAKER_08 14:20

So, to your point, if it were a recreation of like we did at the brothels, where we're having fun and and and one of us is dressed up like an old-timey you know sex worker, brothel lady, as it were, and you know, that is different than you know, now if we recreated a horribly traumatic experience, like dying on an emergency.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

No, no, let's go to the store.

SPEAKER_08 14:44

No, let's go to the brothel thing. Let's say that you and I were besides having fun and playing music and dressing up, if we recreated, you know, I'm a John, as they call them, and I go in and I smack you around, we don't recreate that. Why would we? Because we whatever we're communicating with, okay. Yes, it's insensitive. If we believe that that it is the soul or the spirit of this person, why, for our benefit and for YouTube likes, would we make them recreate that? I think that is disgusting. I I just think it's gross. And the reason I'm so jazzed up about it is because even though I don't agree with their theories, uh and loads of research shows that I'm right, but if they believe it, that means they are actually pretty horrible people. Because they believe what they're contacting is a person who went through this, and they're in their mind, they're thinking if I make them relive it, I get evidence.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

Yeah, I mean it literally, like if you were doing that to a living human being, that would it's it would be like torture. Like I'm I'm pretty sure they literally do that as a form of torture.

SPEAKER_08 15:48

Gettysburg is one you mentioned, and you're right to mention it because a lot of people do that. But people forget something about history, don't they? We're looking at it for our own benefit. We're not looking at it from the the standpoint of who was there in history. Let's take Gettysburg as an example. These are not people, when we hear these noises at Gettysburg, we're like, oh, we can hear the battle, like there must be like reliving the battle. We're not taking into account what it felt like for a real human being to be in the mud in the cold, and you're away from your family and your loved ones, and your buddies next to you with his fucking half his body blown off, and he's dying, he's crying for his mom, and you're just living this existence and that, and then some fucking asshole 50, 60 years down the road is gonna come make you relive that for some bullshit ghost hunting shit? No. I'm way against that.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

Well, yeah, but I'm talking about even just like the recreations outside of the paranormal, because that is that is common. Yes, it's a commonplace thing that people do in the paranormal, which obviously we think is just crass and not something we agree with when it is in relation to recreating a horrific tragic event.

SPEAKER_08 16:54

You did it one time, and I would say the right way to do it. If your belief is that when you go through and do these recreations, that you're stirring up, you know, uh the the the the dead ghost of someone that was there in fun ways. When we were in uh New Orleans by Water Wonderland, you put on the old jazz and you're playing piano and we're dancing around and it's an energy, and it's if you're re if you're making something relive an experience, if it's positive, okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Well, it's happy and joyful. You know, I'm not trying to and make them relive trauma.

SPEAKER_08 17:22

Which that's what these people were doing for their own benefit.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Yes, but uh well, I guess m maybe we just should talk about this on a down the rabbit hole, but so hot potato with the all of the recreations of like the battlefield ones, these are not paranormal people, but they do these things on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_08 17:38

And I understand like You mean like the the the um the people that recreate like the battle recreation. Well, those are different because they're not calling to some entity and saying, I need you to contact me by doing this, by making you relive this. Sure, they're not contacting an entity, but I don't think when the people that go reenact bat fucking Gettysburg, because I you know what, maybe I'm wrong. We should reach out to actually people that do uh reenactments of Gettysburg and see how many of them have had paranormal experiences. I think it's like none.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Well, I think that the people that are doing it though, they're not in the world of paranormal, and therefore their reticular activating system is tuning most of it out because they're normies.

SPEAKER_08 18:14

They're not looking for this has to be said. What they are not doing, what these idiots at Waverly were doing, okay, was legitimately trying to force an entity or a spirit of a person to do it.

SPEAKER_00 18:27

They're doing it intentionally.

SPEAKER_08 18:28

And what's funny about that is they're doing some stupid shit, and then we hear this.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Yeah, the please leave, please leave, which they do not do.

SPEAKER_08 18:36

So in their mind, like we respect the ghost. No, you don't, you fucking piece of shit, because now you would have let us come in because the ghost told you to leave.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

Yeah, they're doing, in my opinion, it's way worse provocation than any of the shit that, you know, I've barely done anything. The worst thing walking in and being like, What are you gonna do, ghost? I don't believe you can scratch me. Like, dude, that's literally like nothing compared to what they were.

SPEAKER_08 18:58

Versus like, I need you to to relive the worst part of your life over and over so I can get evidence.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

But anyway, I just have to say before I forget, uh, yes, it's the, you know, with the battle recreations. Yes, the difference between intention and they're not doing it intentionally to try to, you know, I don't know, trigger a ghost, if you will. But they're still doing it. And if you look at a lot of these battle sites, they are some of the most notoriously haunted locations. So perhaps that plays into why.

SPEAKER_08 19:30

I don't think though that the people that do the reenactments that you're talking about are stirring anything up, even if their theories, these other ghost hunter bros theories are right that like you're you know you're having relive it. These reenactors are not trying uh with intent to connect to spirit and saying, relive this so I can get some evidence. That is a different ball game, that's a different deal. I don't think it's the same thing at all. I don't think it's the same thing at all.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Not to mention, I don't think these reenactors- Do you think that the only time you can connect with a a ghost per se is if you are sitting there with the intention to?

SPEAKER_08 20:00

I think that's a big part of it. I think it's a big, big, big, big, big part of it. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I think it's a big part of it. I think it needs to be there. Yeah. And this is why I think that we've experienced groups where well, we we we've seen this all over the place, where one person experiences something but the other person doesn't, or one person experiences something but the other person experiences it differently. I I we'll go on that one down the rabbit hole. Bottom line, if you are a paranormal researcher, if you believe that what you're contacting is the ghost of a dead person, if you choose to get quote evidence, okay, by forcing this thing to relive a negative thing over and over again for your benefit, fuck you. Period. Full stop. Full stop.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

I'm just caught up on the uh last question I posed. I disagree. I wanna say I wanna go down the rabbit hole on it.

SPEAKER_08 20:55

We'll do it on down the rabbit hole, note it down.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Well, I mean it just it can't be if it can't be the case, or then you know, there wouldn't why would people who don't believe in the paranormal like then have experiences? But anyway.

SPEAKER_08 21:06

But then let's also take this you and I'll meet each other later. If you and I are doing an investigation and something comes through the Estes session or spirit or whatever we're using that says please leave, guess what we do? We typically leave. So here's these assholes that are already doing something that I think is ridiculous and horrible, but then the the actual fucking devices they're using come through and say, please leave.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Yeah, and that's one of the things And they don't. That's one of the things like I just like you can't like I feel like the hot the hot new thing in the paranormal world the past couple years has been like, oh, being respectful to the ghost. Like, first of all, if you're doing shit like that, you're not, you're not being respectful to the ghost. Second of all, if you're literally having your devices come through asking you to please leave, and they didn't even say leave or run away or whatever. They literally said please. Leave. And we laughed about it. Very politely. And you're still not leaving? Like, dude, like you're doing the same shit as the people who you're claiming, oh, they're so disrespectful because they're going in and being like, all right, ghost, like, what do you got? Can you scratch me? Like it's actually worse than that. What you just did is way worse than that.

SPEAKER_08 22:16

Way worse. Way worse.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

Way worse. Anyway, don't be a fucking dick.

SPEAKER_08 22:22

And don't edit that part out because that makes a good point. I'm serious. Of if you go and investigate something like where there were an enslaved people, would you have them relive that? No, you wouldn't.

SPEAKER_00 22:31

Okay, I will not edit it out. However, people please don't come for us, okay? Because like I don't know for us. People come for you for everything at these days, okay? Yeah. I read a history textbook in the first episode and people got butthurt about it.

SPEAKER_08 22:44

That's their problem. People should come after these idiots.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

Well, they should. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_08 22:47

Anyway, I'll tell you the funny thing about this is when they finally left, right? When they concluded their experiment, and they come out, and this fucking idiot looks at me. Oh, god, it's so pleased. We just did this such and such method. I remember looking at them being just thinking to myself, like, oh my god, like you're a mental midget compared to me. I don't even like being around.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

I thought they were the coolest kids in the world. On the fucking block.

SPEAKER_08 23:09

You know what's funny? You don't maybe not remember this. One of those fucking idiots is the one that ends the exp the experience that we have that we're gonna get to. I didn't mean to get hot there, but we were before we hit record, I was already hot. I was like, these that's wrong. It's wrong.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_08 23:24

If you believe that what you were doing is contacting someone that went to this experience and you're making them go through it again, you're a fucking piece of shit.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

In general, for the living and the non-living, uh, we don't want to recreate in a realistic settings, extremely traumatic events.

SPEAKER_08 23:44

The learning lesson here frowned upon. Is you and I then were the next ones in that room after these fucking jackasses. Yes. And we have a clip that we're gonna about to play for you of what happens when you go in with love and positivity and understanding and curiosity versus this bullshit, whatever they were doing.

SPEAKER_00 24:02

Yes, and I don't know, trying to just have a conversation.

SPEAKER_08 24:06

Those guys watch too many ghost shows. Yeah, I don't I don't even know where they got that shit. I've never even seen that before.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Have you? Well, I mean, they're recreating things, yes, but you know what? This is you know what this is reminding me of when we were on the tour, they recommended that people do that. Fuck that. In the OR. The tour guide had recommended that if you really want to get reactions, we rec or recreate uh a surgery.

SPEAKER_08 24:35

You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna- that's like saying if I'm giving a tour uh uh a tour to a group of people, let's say I'm a tour guide in Austin, walking around the downtown with them and said, This is Austin, this is the capital, this and that. If you really want to get a reaction out of the people that live here, go fucking punch them in the face.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

The fuck. Good idea, bro.

SPEAKER_08 24:53

So fuck you, tour guide away with those. Period. I'm saying it on here. Don't edit that out. Because that's wrong if they're doing that. If they're right, I don't think they are, but if they're right and they're actually contacting these things and making them relive this to get to get the results, well then you're a piece of shit.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Well, it's just if you literally sit here and think about it, it's like, dude, like how self-absorbed are you to the point that you're sitting here and like obviously you're not thinking about this deeply whatsoever. You're going in here very surface level. And if you are going in there and being like, oh, well, there's these, you know, dead people that are walking around here. This is a good idea. We want to get them to talk to us. Let's recreate them dying on this fucking operating table. Like, all you are thinking about is yourself. Yeah, your pizza. So that is literally like again, just coming back to the, you know, the hot, the hot topic in the paranormal is I'm a respectful investigator, dude. That's the opposite. Like it literally cakes and here. This is I I think I said, was it on Parapeculiar where I was just talking about stupidity? That is literally my thing that I cannot deal with. If you are stupid, I just can't. I just, I literally cannot even, okay? But that is just so stupid. You're not even like you're literally not even taking two seconds to sit there and think about it.

SPEAKER_08 26:10

Well, can we touch on this? And we are gonna listen, I know that we're gonna touch on this on the Down the Rabbit Hole episode, but you know, you guys are getting this right now. This is live and uncensored. This is the Jerry Springer version of us. This is too hot for people.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

We don't script any of this.

SPEAKER_08 26:20

Yeah. But aren't you, if you believe in what they believe, aren't you then by doing these stupid methods uh causing things like negative hauntings, maybe demonic type stuff, because all you're doing is spreading negative hate, fear.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

Yeah, you're putting more negativity in there. Which I do fully believe, and we've talked about this before, especially in regards to um, you know, some of the more like negative things that are in other locations. I do believe that a lot of that is literally physical manifestation of the fear, negativity, whatever that we as humans are putting out into that environment.

SPEAKER_08 26:57

I would agree.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

So, long story short, which could potentially explain for, hold on, wait for it. We heard about this in the history, if you remember back.

unknown 27:06

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

With Chelsea, the creeper.

SPEAKER_08 27:09

The creeper.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

The creeper.

SPEAKER_08 27:11

I've dealt with the creeper.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Well, the Waverly Waverly has their own creeper, you know, very famous, whatever. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, you know, especially because if you think about it, because we are sitting here and thinking for more than two seconds about what the fuck we're doing. Um, especially if you have tour guides that are going here and recommending to all of these people you go in the OR and do this. That's a problem. Of course, you're gonna have something like the creeper that manifests from that.

SPEAKER_08 27:39

And maybe the reason that we had such a wild experience that we're about to get to is because we didn't go in like that. Literally, uh everything about us, even if we're provoking, right, is out of positivity in love. We don't we don't provoke like that. I'm sorry, like you can say all you want, like, oh Damien provoke. No, I not not even close. Not even close, right? Not even close. That is that is disgusting, even to me. And what's funny is, like you said, they're making it all about them. I have an ego, you have an ego. We don't even have an ego that could come close to theirs, period.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Yeah, well, I mean, it's it is literally just like they were only thinking about themselves.

SPEAKER_08 28:15

God, and then when they came out, oh anyways, so they leave. It's funny when they leave, they come out with their cases full of fucking gear, whatever, and then we go in and we'll be able to do that. You know, we have ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

Yeah, I and I'm pretty sure at one point somebody, it might have been them, I don't remember exactly, but like, oh, don't you guys have any gear? Like, you know, I think I did.

SPEAKER_08 28:34

I remember being like, Yep, because I don't I don't have time to talk to the I'm sorry, mental midgets. Like these people that don't that they're not on our level, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

Well, they're just not thinking about it, which is again, it's like you just don't be stupid. Just use your brain. Like you have a brain in your head for a reason.

SPEAKER_08 28:49

I actually want to do an entire episode where I can go off on this. I really do. Like where I can go off on it because you've been going on.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

Problematic.

SPEAKER_08 28:57

It's problematic. And you know what? If you're listening, do you agree with me? Let us know. They leave.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

So anyway, yeah, they leave. We finally 1000 years later. What?

SPEAKER_08 29:09

Do that again?

SPEAKER_00 29:10

It's from SpongeB SpongeBob Square. Is it? Anyway, so we we go um we finally get into the OR and we we sit down. We we knew going into it that we were gonna do an Esther session in there again.

SPEAKER_08 29:24

Um, we didn't know that it it was gonna end up being one of the most insane Estes sessions we've ever done.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

Yeah, so we are we'll play that for you now. And again, these are kind of longer clips. Oh, we do in the hotel, however, um, no, it's not the whole thing. So you're gonna hear a little clip of us when we first get in there, um, which I noticed something that kind of gives us some foreshadowing as to something that happens later. But then we get into the Estus session. So I didn't, it's not the full clip in here. I did splice out a few different sections. Um, but we'll play this for you and then we will discuss it in more detail afterwards. Indeed, starting to feel like kind of pewky, and I think we need to do a spirit box session in here, and I think we need to put that in the hallway.

SPEAKER_07 30:31

Because you're feeling peezy? That's what is it you want to feel?

SPEAKER_00 30:36

Not because I'm feeling peepee, that's just like what I do feel like we need to do. Yes, the room not directly across from us like this. Yeah, like I feel like you're gonna be a little bit more than a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 31:38

It's on video. Okay.

SPEAKER_10 31:41

Are you maybe saying that you use our uh video recording device and we'll hear you have a look back at that?

SPEAKER_03 31:49

A couple of times.

SPEAKER_10 31:50

Okay, that could be radical. I would love for that to happen. Um are you saying you've done it a couple of times throughout the night and that we should watch it out of the video and see? All right, well, how certainly do that tonight when we when I get back to the hotel. Yes, that's right. That's really wonderful. I want to know because we just missed each other's lenses.

SPEAKER_07 34:45

I'm here. I'm still here. I'm just sort of out in the hallway.

SPEAKER_10 35:02

I'm still here.

SPEAKER_03 35:03

What is this about?

SPEAKER_10 35:06

It's just about communication and understanding. Getting to know you, you getting to know me, we getting to know we, right? Communication. I want to know more about you. I want to know more about where you are from. I have theories on where you're from, but I want to know from you, right? I want to talk to you.

SPEAKER_03 35:30

Right here.

SPEAKER_10 35:31

Great. What's your name?

SPEAKER_03 35:34

Gone.

SPEAKER_10 35:38

Are you then gone? Are you are you gone now?

SPEAKER_03 35:41

But but I'm here.

SPEAKER_10 35:46

Are you having trouble communicating right now?

SPEAKER_03 35:49

No.

SPEAKER_10 35:50

What is that you're listening? I'm listening.

SPEAKER_03 35:54

I'm right here. Same place as you. The veil. Twenty twenty-four. Here. I'm right here.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

You can't see me.

SPEAKER_10 36:21

Why can't you see me? I can't see you.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

It looks different.

SPEAKER_03 36:33

I can't show you.

SPEAKER_00 36:38

You can't see it yet.

SPEAKER_03 36:49

It's different. Still learning. Still here.

SPEAKER_07 37:29

Is that you flying around over me?

SPEAKER_08 37:33

Wild beast.

SPEAKER_07 37:35

See the light. What do you mean by that? Is that metaphorical?

SPEAKER_05 37:48

With my eyes. You saw your eyes with my eyes. I thought you don't need three or four times. What? I saw the orange with my eye.

SPEAKER_07 38:01

Orange? Orange? Orange though? What color? Yeah, I've been seeing that fucking shit all night. And like I'll be walking by a room and boom, there it is.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

It's fucking killing me.

SPEAKER_08 38:18

So you both saw the orb thing hit me there, or be not hit me, but be on close to me.

SPEAKER_06 38:23

Around your head. I couldn't see it with my naked eye.

SPEAKER_08 38:29

No, that's interesting. That's it, that happens. But that's interesting of it being around my head. Correlation with like.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

Oh no, just shut off.

SPEAKER_08 38:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

Cool.

SPEAKER_07 38:40

We'll have to watch that video and see. I I I'll be willing to bet the orb is not there when we go to watch the video.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

Yeah, this is this is a session that I was talking about that just like replays over and over in my head.

SPEAKER_08 39:16

You call it the experience that everyone's chasing when they get into this.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

Well, not this. That's this.

SPEAKER_08 39:22

That's me talking about the what it leads to.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

Yeah, the what we saw in the hallway. I mean, I guess people are chasing this as well, because everybody's doing this because they're trying to figure out what comes next, what comes after, what happens after we die.

SPEAKER_08 39:35

And this is the last thing I'm gonna say on that incident, but it's worth noting. That what you heard on the clip this Esther session, which I think is just wild. And you know what? First off, I'm gonna gloat on you. There's something magical about you that allows this connection when we do these things. I don't know if it's you and I. I don't know if it's you and Source that I'm just working on. I don't know what it is I don't I don't know. Doesn't matter. You are really, really, really good. And I think, and this is the last thing I'm gonna say on these fucking idiots. I'm sorry, because I've calmed down a little bit. But I think we go in there love and positive vibes, and we get this versus go the fuck away.

SPEAKER_00 40:21

Yeah, which I mean maybe that even played into, like, I mean, it it's literally like somebody was essentially trying to explain to us like what the other side, whatever that means, is like, like what what this even is. So maybe it they were just so fed up with like what happened before that they're like, you know what? What do you want to know? What do you want to know? Let me tell you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 40:44

And they mention something that's interesting to me, which we'll touch on when you note this for the down the rabbit hole, but you know, God not underst we not understanding fully, like they don't even understand. And I've heard this from different researchers.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

I think let's just talk about it now. We can talk about this one point now because I when we when I replayed, so we did listen to all of the clips that I just played for you before recording this because we wanted to, you know, of course, refresh our own memories. And you, you know, when that part happens and I say God, you looked at me and you're like, Do you even understand the implications of what you just said?

SPEAKER_08 41:18

And I'm like, no, bro, I'm just saying that I hear the part where you say something to the effect of like God, and then you say something to the effect of not understanding fully is it God what he says, and then I say still learning. Yeah, exactly, still learning. And God, what he says. What's interesting about that is if you really break this down, and I'll get a little philosophical religiously here, and I'm not a religious person, but every what God essentially says, love and positive energy is what matters. Okay. Not fully understanding yet, I believe is is it um still learning. Still learning. Still here. Whatever. I've heard that these beings through countless other researchers have said that where these beings are is after us, like kind of where we go, but they still don't fully understand God. They still don't fully understand the nature of real spirituality or the connection with what we call source or god or whatever. So it could that's that's so profound to me because these are things I've seen and heard in in and looking at other researchers throughout the years, and it just boom.

SPEAKER_00 42:23

Yeah, and I mean this whole like if we break this down, and yes, I know there were a couple other things that happened. There's the orbs, which you know, uh Eric literally saw with his own eyes, and the whole, you know, and Wayne, oh, you remind me of my my dad so much.

SPEAKER_08 42:37

I that was an emotional point of this, like it really was like in that Estas session. Oh, I remind you of your dad, and there's a pause, and you say, so much. All of us in that room for real at this point, all of us in that room, that was an emotional time for us because that's an emotional thing to have come through.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

Yeah, it's a it's not just a yes.

SPEAKER_08 42:58

And guess what we weren't doing? Oh, I'm not gonna get into it. Well, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 43:01

So anyway, yeah, there's those things, but I think the part that really uh cooks my bacon is that that whole slices your cheese. Yeah, that whole section there. And you know, it's it's interesting because when like I'm looking at this, I kind of took some notes on the things I said, I'm here, gone, but here, I'm right here, same place as you. Then it says 2024, I'm right here. You can't see me. And in my opinion, the reason that this keeps playing over and over in my head is, and this is something I've said for a while, is like, could this just be something from another dimension? And like sort of time slip stuff where we're like, you know, seeing blips of or, you know, communicating with whatever connection to a a different dimension, you know, and when you look into dimensions and the physics of these things and how it all works, it does seem like it all is kind of overlapped. You know what I'm saying? And and

SPEAKER_08 44:00

Or if we were looking at it from a block universe sort of past, present, future happening all at the same time type of deal.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

Yeah. So when you take that and combine that with, you know, different dimensions, because I'm both and girly, we know this.

SPEAKER_08 44:12

Like basically what it what I think we're saying is whatever we're communicating with maybe is in its place in time, thinking we're a ghost.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

Yeah, and like I I don't know how this communication would be happening, but from what we can glean from this specific conversation, right? The like you can't see me, and you asked, Why can you see me, but I can't see you? I replied with, It looks different. I can't show you, you can't see it yet. So that to me seems like it's potentially another dimension, and maybe they're able to like see us. I don't know what that would look like to them or how they would know or understand that.

SPEAKER_08 44:49

Or we can never fully understand as a living being of a uh humans what it is like after we leave this earthly existence.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

Well, I mean, even if we're just thinking about not even going there, even just thinking about a different dimension, like we we literally are not able to comprehend that because we don't we just won't understand that, right? And so it's like like the It's like teaching math to ants. Yeah, they're just not gonna be able to understand it, you know. So that that conversation to me, that's I don't know, kind of what it's giving. Um, but then we have at the end, obviously it says, you know, God, which for me kind of comes a little bit out of left field because up until that point it it very much seems like, oh, it's just you know, some someone from like another dimension that's trying to communicate with us.

SPEAKER_08 45:44

That's also though, that word God, I think if it's used in this type of communication, it could be used because that's how us as humans understand the idea of source. I think a lot of people would hear that and then immediately go to religion and dogmatic practices, but they would be wrong to think that because I think if something comes through and says the word God, maybe it's communicating with us in symbols, and meaning a word that we can understand for source.

SPEAKER_00 46:08

Sure, which is I think you and I, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, I think we have a similar belief in the sense of like God, the universe, source, whatever, all pretty much the same thing, whatever the you know, intelligent design. Sure. Um we can you know, do I believe it's some skydaddy sitting in the sky? You know, no, but sky daddy. Um I also don't think that we can ever comprehend what it actually is.

SPEAKER_08 46:29

No, we agree on that. And to me, that's an absolute. We cannot ever comprehend. We can have theories, and we won't comprehend though until we're there.

SPEAKER_00 46:38

I don't think we are ever meant to understand or know in this life.

SPEAKER_08 46:41

Well, that's been said by countless religions, but yes.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

Um so anyway, yeah, that was just, I don't know, to me, which uh almost like I don't know, like opens your mind, you know, an expansive conversation. Because if you do take these things in the sense that we believe, you know, where it's like we believe we are literally communicating with some other intelligence, entity, whatever it is, whether it's a ghost or I don't know, somebody in a different dimension or dimension, whatever, yeah. Whatever whatever. Insert whatever it is here. We are communicating with something else, and it's trying to give us this information. It's just I don't know. I think it gives you a lot to fucking think about.

SPEAKER_08 47:25

It gives you a lot to think about. It really does. And I think though, we're gonna get to the point that, in my opinion, gives you more to think about, which is the experience we had right directly after the Esther session. Because if I remember correctly, we do the Esther session, and it was well, if I think on it, it was the longest Esther session I've ever done.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

It was long like the Presidio. But see, here's the thing. When I was going back and listening to all of this, yeah, it wasn't it, I felt I was remembering it to be a lot longer than it actually was. I'm pretty sure the one that we did at Presidio was like way longer.

SPEAKER_08 48:05

On the turret?

SPEAKER_00 48:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 48:07

Because I don't I remember looking at the clip and I was like, oh, that actually really wasn't like that long because I remember it just felt that way because there was an emotional charge that I an emotional tax that I had to pay to go to this Esther session, to be honest with you. The whole thing was emotional to me. It just was.

SPEAKER_00 48:24

Yeah. Well, it just I mean, it's just a really interesting session. And then, you know, when we get into where we're going next, we'll play the clips for you. You know, we walk out into the hallway and you hear me mention, like, oh, I'm seeing some something over here again, you know, and we sit there and we're watching. Um, to me, also feels like like, why can't that just be something like from another dimension, what we experience?

SPEAKER_08 48:48

It could. It absolutely could. Um 100% could be. Excuse me. And I think that's a good line of thinking. I mean, that's we're we're we're on that same path. It absolutely could be. And and I think that's why I think it's less about we are dealing with the ghost of some person that like roams the halls of Waverly Hills because they died there. I I think that's silly. But that's not an absolute- I'm a both and girl. I know, but I know, but with everything we've looked at, there's a point where we gotta stop and we gotta say, hey, we're not gonna be nice anymore about other people's like thinking on it. There are some things that are just stupid.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

I okay. Well, that's reality.

SPEAKER_08 49:31

And we die, we're gonna like walk the halls of the place we died forever and listen to ghost hunter bros. I'm sorry, that sucks.

SPEAKER_00 49:37

Okay, but in my opinion, I think stuff like that is more like kind of what people would call like purgatory. Like, I think that's basically aligned with like what purgatory is. So, in my opinion, like ghosts, like the yes, I do believe it's possible for like the spirit of some, you know, a human to be wandering the halls of Waverly Hill because they're stuck there for whatever. Yes, I do think that that can be a thing. However, I think that's more likely occurring because it's some sort of like purgatory-like situation, whether it is, you know, something that they like almost like self-induced or you know, whatever, we can speculate on the hows and whys eternally my personal belief.

SPEAKER_08 50:16

There's a thing that happens with this incident specifically, which to me buttons this all up. And and that is we had we literally are about to have the exact same experience as people that we know that had the exact same experience months before us.

SPEAKER_00 50:31

Yes, on well, we can it's same location, but we can talk we'll talk about that on the side. Same floor, same area. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 50:38

Yeah. Yeah. We'll talk about that. Um it's the session though, I do need to shout you out. I think one of my favorite things about you, of which there are many things, is your ability to tune in to whatever the energy is at the place at and have these incredible moments that I sometimes don't even think that you realize how incredible they are.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

Yeah, I probably almost definitely don't.

SPEAKER_08 51:08

Yeah. Because having an experience like this, these conversations back and forth on this Esther session, if that doesn't change a person's life or the way they think about reality, I don't know how to help you.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

Yeah, well, I mean, I think the thing for me, you know, how you're saying, like, oh, I don't think you'll understand. Like, no, but this is also like to me, this is just kind of the existence that I live in, you know? Um, like I just am that weird person that's walking around thinking, like, I don't know, like, dude, literally, like, I hear shit in the mornings, most mornings that sounds like somebody's fucking scratching around, and I just roll over and I'm like, can you bro shut the fuck up? Like, I'm trying to see. Well, last night was a great example. This is literally just my existence.

SPEAKER_08 51:52

I see this big shadow figure, and you just look over and you're like, Okay, you gotta go away now. I'm like, Jesus Christ. Or that the amount of times the amount of times that you've like text me, you're like, Okay, this is happening. I'm like, Well, I don't know what to tell you. Like, it's it's it's pretty wild.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

I think that's the other thing, you know, it's like and it it is I think I I may have mentioned this before that it's so interesting to me when I listen to other um, you know, podcasts or YouTube videos or shows or whatever and see other people, or just even hear hearing people talk about, you know, when they do Estes, whatever, it's so interesting because people seem to have these like, you know, big reactions and they'll be like, you know, I've heard, oh, I can only do it for like, you know, this long, and then I get this super crazy headache or migraine. Or, you know, people will come come out of doing Estes and they're like, oh my God, that was such a wild experience. You know, but I just I feel like I'm just so like it's very normalized to me at at this point. And I don't know if that has to do with, you know, just the shit I see and receive whatever on a normal daily basis.

SPEAKER_08 52:57

Oh, I think there's a blocker, and we can touch on this in a different episode, but there's a blocker in you somewhere that prevents a state of golden retrieverness.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

Well, yeah, I mean, that's just not my personality, right?

SPEAKER_08 53:09

Like even a person whose personality, it's not that like have an Ebenezer Scrooge moment where their personality changes because they see things that change their life profoundly. These experiences that we're having, like, have drawn me to more love and light girly shit, okay? Because I understand, and then seeing other researchers and all these beings, everyone's saying the same thing. Beings are saying love, positive. Why do you think I got so mad on that last clip of people that are doing what we're doing? And yes, I'm gonna say it again. There's absolutes like negativity and that no. So to me, it it does kind of bump. You're so good at this, though. Like you're so good at this that it's unfathomable to me that there's not like a that you don't have this love and light charge because you're getting these things, and you're just like, well, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 53:57

I'm like, damn, like that's kind of saying well, but whatever.

SPEAKER_08 54:00

There's people in the paranormal world along my line of thinking. We've met these people because they've come into the museum and they've talked to us, all right, and we've had our own private conversations about them after. But there's people, Nicole, that are hoping, praying, dying, needing to get the kind of shit you get, right? And then you do it and you're like, well, come on. Like, that's that's that's kind of that's kind of a slap in the face.

SPEAKER_00 54:24

Sure. However, and this is gonna go, you know, I got jazzed up about this, the whole like talent versus practice, okay? I have trained so much for this shit. Like, this is not like I just woke up one day and was like, oh, I'm gonna do an episode.

SPEAKER_08 54:43

Maybe it's in their own way.

SPEAKER_00 54:44

They're not doing mediumship training, they're not meditating fucking every single day, twice a day for years.

SPEAKER_08 54:50

What makes it that it has to be that?

SPEAKER_00 54:52

I mean, I'm not saying it makes it that it has to be that, but it's going to make it in my opinion. Yes, if you're working on meditating, like of course that's gonna make you more connected to whatever the fuck this is.

SPEAKER_08 55:04

These people are doing the same thing you do. What I'm saying is, and I I know you because I mean you are connected to me in many ways, and I see you every day. You're not, it's not like you're taking six hours a day to like really train this thing. It's a natural ability that you have, and something about when you tap into your natural self, you're allowed to let this stuff flow in like water. That's an important thing to note here. You've got a natural ability at it. I don't think that there's a lot of people that can try as hard as they want. Look, Deion Sanders, if anyone knows who that is listening.

SPEAKER_01 55:33

Go Knowles.

SPEAKER_08 55:34

There's Knowles?

SPEAKER_01 55:37

FSU.

SPEAKER_08 55:38

He was a cowboy. Oh, was he in there? There's a lot of people that would train to be a good football player that will never be Deion Sanders. There's a lot of people that would train to be a great basketball player that will never be Michael Jordan or Larry Bird, period.

SPEAKER_00 55:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 55:52

You are the Larry Bird of Mediumship.

SPEAKER_00 55:56

But I also see, and this is where this could be a whole down the rabbit hole episode on itself, because this is where it gets philosophical. Sure, when you're looking at people like elite athletes, right? Or elite musicians, because we know that's what my background is. It's a multitude of different factors. Like, sure, some people might have some sort of natural aptitude, but I also believe that that comes from somewhere. Like if I'm looking at people who are more naturally sensitive, empathic abilities, whatever.

SPEAKER_08 56:23

Musicians, there's some people that would never get it. And that you would say, and teachers would say, You'll never have this, you should leave. Because there can't be more than one Michael Jordan, period. Or Larry Bird, period. That's why there's not a thousand of them.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

I think it's a multitude of different factors, though. All the other people would be in the same practices.

SPEAKER_08 56:40

What the fuck? That was an animal.

SPEAKER_00 56:41

Uh well, no, but your upbringing is gonna play into that as well. Like if you look at Michael Jordan's childhood versus my childhood, if I wanted to be a professional basketball player, no, I'm gonna have no hope of being Michael Jordan. Because look at look at how he was raised, look at his upbringing. You know, me from music, sure, I'd I wasn't thrown into lessons when I was, you know, two years old. But I I always was walking around with headphones on my head. And so I just also have a more natural understanding due to that of, say, rhythms and musicality. And so it's gonna be more natural for me to produce those things than somebody who wasn't immersed in that, you know, their entire childhood.

SPEAKER_08 57:23

But the thing that you're missing is the fact that you were doing that without being told to or wanting to is natural.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

Sure. Right. Because it was just my natural interests.

SPEAKER_08 57:33

And they will never be able to be as good. This is the truth. This is the truth. There's some people that will never be able to be public speakers.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

Sure.

SPEAKER_08 57:42

And no matter how hard they try.

SPEAKER_00 57:43

Which I think also gets into mindset as a very big piece of this as well, which then brings it around to your love and light.

SPEAKER_08 57:49

Brings it around. I become a love and light girly.

SPEAKER_00 57:51

Yeah.

unknown 57:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:52

Which I mean, I don't think there's and love and light, we're not saying with the connotation of, you know, evil doesn't exist. The yeah, the spiritual bypassing all of the, you know, the negative connotation of the event.

SPEAKER_08 58:03

But love and positivity, the strongest emotions are they fix everything.

SPEAKER_00 58:06

Yes, and putting out, you know, just predominantly being like putting love and positive energy into the world versus, you know, walking around and being like a fucking dark rain cloud and like everything's doom and gloom, and I'm gonna play victim for the stuff.

SPEAKER_08 58:19

Stop using the Anakin method and trying to make victims by going in and having these apparent ghosts relive horrible traumatic experiences. You fuck. Okay. I'm mad. Can you get that out? I'm getting the Zack Begins out right now. I'm gonna take my shirt off, maybe put a black t-shirt on.

SPEAKER_00 58:36

Yeah, are you gonna go get some apps too? Fuck.

SPEAKER_08 58:39

I'll try.

SPEAKER_00 58:39

Get your six pack.

SPEAKER_08 58:40

I'll give you some abs, bro. A beer.

SPEAKER_00 58:44

Um, okay, so anyway, we've we've ranted, we got a little bit down the rabbit hole there. Um, I think people like it. Well, yeah, I think we need to intersperse some of that throughout. We can't just keep being like, oh, we'll talk about that later. We'll talk because you both we both know we're not gonna remember all of these fucking things. We've forgotten five minutes ago. Yeah. Anyway, um, so okay, so let's let's just go ahead and go into the next clips where you're gonna hear us walking out into the hallway. So we finished up our Estes session in the OR. We're leaving the OR now. You hear us walking out into the hallway, and then we're kind of you know, watching, and then we have can we can we paint this picture really quick?

SPEAKER_08 59:21

The experience, it's not just you and I. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 59:24

Yeah, it's it's me, you, Wayne, Eric, so Wayne, aka the mayor, Eric aka a bunch of shit, Sir Talking Hair, and Chelsea who did the history.

SPEAKER_02 59:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 59:35

Um, so that it was all of us there simultaneously having the same this experience.

SPEAKER_08 59:42

Or similar in our minds experience. This experience. Let's go, let's get to it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:01

I swear to God I just thought I'd fucking window where like somebody was like looking at what I feel like. This is right here from the other.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:13

Yeah, well that's why I wanted to this is uh where I was seeing it right here.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:36

Yeah, that was like when I was sitting under there and I was like, oh I'm feeling a physical shift. Yeah, it was like my chest was getting like super tight, like it was feeling super heavy.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:47

Keep in mind though, like keep in mind that those things that you all talk about never really have to mean, or even typically mean, in my opinion, negative or danger. These are the ways a body can react to something that potentially is here that we can't typically interact with, right? Um you hear this kind of stuff all the time. And it it was an interesting conversation that we were having on there. Uh, there was a lot of great responses coming through. Right? Um I if I were to bet, I was I felt like it was maybe a a child, because I don't know, it was it was the way he was talking, uh not to say it, but it was kind of yes, a lot of the voices that were coming through sounded like childlike.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:30

Because the way he'd be like teared down, like it was kind of it just felt that way.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:34

It was almost like it was uh maybe not quite an older kid, but like middle-aged, like middle kid or something, be like, oh my gosh, you know. Like sometimes you would say something and be like, oh my god. It was almost like that style, like I can't believe he's not getting it. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:53

That was interesting. I because it seems like there's certain things that you ask, and it'll it'll these things do this to me a lot, where it'll say, look here, and I'll look there, and they'll say, now come back, you know. So I think next time that that happens, I'm not going to do that because I think there could be just having fun or trickery to play there, right? Like, let's see if we can get a move around. Right? Let's see if we can go make him go in the hall, make him look up, make him look down. The uh the daddy thing was interesting though, because I said, Do I look like your dad?

SPEAKER_08 1:02:24

And so much. I don't know why that resonates with me. It's like a it's not like a yes, right? It's like a emotional answer. So,

SPEAKER_10 1:08:24

Where's coming in and say hi to the light? Is that you?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:39

And we want to hug you.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:40

And if I misrepresented that because of the way I was experiencing you and seeing you, um, I'm a I apologize, but thank you so much for allowing us to experience that and see you.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:56

I I I I think I do more appreciative. Thank you so much. It was really wonderful and special.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:34

Out here doing this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:35

So now that they've listened to it, I mean, obviously they were hearing the audio version of this. We were live streaming it, it's on our Patreon, full, raw, uncut video. But what we're seeing, we're standing in a hallway in pitch black, you know. Yeah. I you maybe if you turn the brightness up, you can kind of see the like two eyes on it.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:57

And we have it.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:58

Um, but can you just visually describe to everybody like what it was that we were seeing?

SPEAKER_08 1:10:06

And it's tough because an experience like this, to be honest with you, you'll hear us describe it in this one thing. Being there is completely different. And I want to point out, Nicole, we were just listening to it.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:15

You were caught a rare Nicole reaction.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:17

Well, your reaction, oh my god, you were seeing it. All of us were like, what the fuck? And you hear us interacting with it because what we're seeing is a human-shaped uh shadow.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:30

That's there. And we're seeing these glowing eyes.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:32

And it looked about like child size, I would say.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:35

But Which is interesting because we literally just had a nested session with a potential child.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:40

Yeah, and so we're we're seeing this. Um, and it is a shadow being.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:45

Um, but you can see, you know, the eyes, and what's interesting is maybe what, three foot tall, would you say? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:52

Um it sized.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:54

Yes. Yeah. Um, but what's interesting about this, and I kind of mentioned, like briefly touched on this um in a previous episode, is there were white parts on this.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:10

Can you describe that? Because I here's the here's the interesting thing. And this is something that we need to note down to talk about on the down the rabbit hole episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:17

Well, this is something I think if if we are able to coordinate getting Eric Wayne and and Chelsea, she'll she'll be virtual to talk about it. I would love to hear everybody everybody give a description of what they saw. And I mean, also you kind of heard at one point, you know, oh, it looks like a ghost puppy or something. Like it kind of we saw we saw a few different things. But anyway, so the first one that looks kind kind of like a child, what I saw is the eyes looked like they were like white to me. To me, it was yellow. And then the it it almost looked like there was like it was like a a collared like shirt or dress or something because it looked like the collar was kind of like white. Um, and then the the I'm assuming shoes looked white to me as well. So that's what I was seeing.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:06

Yeah, which is funny because and we'll talk about this later, but there's uh some other evidence that some people, some friends of ours, shouted AVP Barrow. That was white shoes, but what I saw was sort of essentially different. It was a it was in motion, it was kind of like the that shimmering was.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:21

We saw we saw the in-motion. I think we all saw that because it kind of like was moving around and you could see like the blinking of the eyes. Yeah, I will give you that. The kind of the blue when we say when we say shimmering oil on the blacktop. Yeah, or for me, the bet the way that it uh I would describe it, it's like when it's really, really hot and you see the heat waves coming off of the pavement and it just kind of looks like you see motion, energy and motion, yeah, yeah. Like that's what it it kind of looks like to me.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:52

That's not and and and the thing that this recording doesn't get that we need to address here.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:56

We all see it wave.

unknown 1:12:58

That's the fucking thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:00

I at one point, I wave at this thing. Okay, I see it, you see it, everyone in the group sees it, wave back.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:08

Yeah, we all see it wave back.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:10

Profound.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:11

It waves back, profound. And this then ties into what we've kind of mentioned, but let's talk about it in more detail now. So our friends, EVP, everything vaguely paranormal.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:20

Like Shelly, all those guys, we love them, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:24

They're great. So we were doing an interview with them actually for their their show.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:30

Let me let me let me let me um start from the beginning. So they had told us we were at West Tech's Paracom or swapping stories, and they tell us about this investigation they're on where they see a shadow being and they wave at it and it waves back.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:44

And it waves back, and we're like, oh wow, cool.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:46

I my memory, because of the way it is, had remembered them telling us about that in relation to whatever that fucking hospital is they go to all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:56

Yorktown.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:56

Yorktown. That's where I thought it was from. So what's funny is when we're talking, they invited us to be guests on their podcast, and we we love them for that, so thank you. And it was a great conversation. We get on there, I'm like, guys, we had an experience like you where this shadow being waved at us. We were at Waverly, they're like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:12

That's where we were. And then they were like, Where were you at?

SPEAKER_08 1:14:14

Same spot.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:15

And we were like, it was in the hallway. We were had just been in the OR. We walk out of the OR and it was in that hallway, kind of to the right, and they're like, Oh my god, that's exactly where it was.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:24

Same exact spot. Now, this is this has to be reserved for a down the rabbit hole episode of my theories on that. We were basically looking at a recording, and these people saw the same thing months ago.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:35

Well, my laptop's about to die, and I can't make a note of it right now.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:38

So can you just Okay. Well, I think I think again, going back to what we're dealing with here when we're communicating with these things, right? Like, you know, people that know me or know us or follow us at any length, they they they've heard me say wild shit like this could be AI, this could be future beings. So regardless, it seems like paranormal phenomenon is a hologram or it's a recording of sorts. The whistling that's followed us, that if you're an RGO listener, you know about it, probably follows you too. I've actually listened to people's recordings of a whistle in different locations than the place we got it from, and it sounds the exact same. It's the same thing. This incidents were uh incident where we had the same thing in the same spot. It's a recording. It's like something is placing these recordings there for us to see. There's a there's a techno technology uh uh portion of this, it seems. I don't think that what we witnessed is some sort of like you know, ghost that's stuck in Waverly, because again, I I know we don't do absolutes, but I think that that that is the lowest on the totem pole of what all this is. We were seeing what seems to be a recording that someone else that we know has already also seen months and months and months and months and months before we ever even thought we were going to Waverly.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:48

But but how do you reconcile that with it intelligently responded to us?

SPEAKER_08 1:15:54

Well, I think the connection comes down to we're connecting with something, call it a source, that is showing us this. And because we're not doing stupid fucking shit, like trying to recreate a surgery scene, it's presenting itself to us versus saying go the fuck away.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:11

How would that get it to intelligently reply to us, though?

SPEAKER_08 1:16:15

Because it's giving us okay, if you look at the way, if you listen to that audio, something that when we were just listening back, that I actually was very proud of us on here. Um we, in my opinion, you can hear us going about this type of work in the way that you should. And to me, that's an absolute. We were positive, we were nice, we were understanding, we were not being dicks, we were open to experiencing this the phenomena in a way that it wanted to present itself to us, and that's what happened.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:47

But if it's a recording, it's an it's a recording. You can't alter recording.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:53

Like, well, the recording though is presents okay. Let's say I recorded something on videotape and I show it to you, but I don't show it to the other person. It's because I showed it to you that you saw it. Whatever reason that I decided to show it to you is the reason.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:06

I think our connection to whatever this is waved in reply to it waved back in reply to you waving at it.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:14

Recording meaning kind of like artificial intelligence. And people have look, when we go down the rabbit hole of what could aliens be, what could interdimensional beings be, there's a lot of very serious, very serious people that are saying it's most likely a form of technology of AI. Because look at how we're progressing now. If in the future we're predominantly AI, and AI is going to react in a certain way. So recording, yes, but an intelligent recording, sure. It's interacting with us, but it's giving us the same uh phenomena that other people have seen as well. This is why the the if you look at paranormal phenomena, people will hear and see the same things over and over again. This is an extreme example. It's an extreme example. The whistle's another example. That's pretty extreme, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:02

I'm just not listening to Shaggy's video.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:07

Of course, but uh you would be if I we gotta get you into like Jacques Fillet and some of these professors that have been studying this since the 70s. Like, these are serious people, like the the invisible college, the people in the Pentagon are saying that. Some are saying demons, some are saying AI. Like it's a there's a form of technology involved.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:22

Like the plasmoid stuff.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:24

All the same. I don't think an orb is not think that the orb that Lane is saying is on my head at Waverly is the same shit we see in the sky.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:33

Sure, I don't think the plasmoids are AI.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:35

You keep saying plasmoids, we think it's plasmoids, maybe, but I don't know what those plasmoids are.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:40

Whatever the fuck it actually is. Orbs, we'll call it orbs calling it.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:43

AI meaning some kind of an intelligence that is not we're not looking at a physical, like being like you and I would understand it that's reacting to us in a certain way. If we were, there would be no way.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:52

Why can't it just be something from a different dimension?

SPEAKER_08 1:18:54

Well, it can be, but it would then if it even if it was just that, without the the pieces I'm talking about, the idea that it's gonna be doing the same thing in the same spot in the same way to us and other people, just like the whistle did the same thing, the same thing to other people, that's the interesting piece to me. Okay, it's like it's showing us something. When I say a recording, it's showing us phenomena that is like a recording because it's not as we understand it. It's showing us something, but it's choosing to.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:25

Sure. And also, just since we're talking about this, and now everybody who's probably like, God damn it, what the fuck is this shit? Like, I'm out of here now because we're talking about AI and plasmoids and all this bullshit. Great. Go listen to the other guys' podcast. Okay, well, hold on because something I've talked about before is when we're talking about plasmoids, whatever the fuck you want to call them, um, we did do a, I don't know, like a class, I guess, uh, in our Patreon where we were talking about them because this is something like the papers that we read on this are from like the journal of modern physics, okay? These are scientific papers and research and articles. Like, this is not shit from the paranormal world. This is not, oh, they're fucking going down the conspiracy rabbit hole. They're gonna be flat earthers. Like, dude, fuck you. Um, go read a journal of modern physics, okay? Um, but I mean, there I can't imagine you're listening to this anyway. But anyway, I myself is a flat earth. You're not you're not, but anyway, um, something that we had toyed with was the idea of taking that class and actually releasing the recording of that as an episode so that way people can see kind of just you know the weird shit that well, I don't think it's weird because it's in the Journal of Modern Physics. But anyway, the Physics is weird. The stuff that we're talking about, and you know, our line of thinking where yes, we like, you know, spiritual and metaphysical and whatever, woo-woo. However, we also like science. And so I think something that is really unique and special about what we're doing is we like to marry the two of them. Um, so anyway, since we've talked about it in here and you know, we're talking about these things, I probably will at some point I'll go ahead and take that and release that as an episode on here. So again, it was from our Patreon. Um, and then it'll also just give you a taste of, you know, the kind of shit that we do in there. Um But yeah, so that way you can get more of an idea if you're like, what the fuck are these dudes talking about?

SPEAKER_08 1:21:30

Let's also think though, w uh earlier in the episode we talked about an incident where we went to an area of Waverly and me and other people, namely Donna, had the same experience.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:42

Yeah, both got sick.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:43

Physical experience. Um, we've gone to other places. Hill House is one where you know what's funny when to me is in Hill House there's this incident that happens if you're upstairs and you get this, you'll get these little pitter patterns running. It's always in the same room, it's always in the same spot. Everything's always in the same place.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:06

Well, not at all, but it's not.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:09

Yes, it is. Those little pitter patterns are always running in that room. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:11

Everyone that's okay, but every time we've gone there, these happen.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:16

Yes, but these are things that other people have experienced. Like the cat thing that we heard while watching the Disney movie. Shout out you for that method. The the the Disney method. The let's live our lives like normal people and the video that I have from our friends in Be Paranormal in the same area, same room, here the same cat noise. It's interesting to me how we have this experience. This thing waves at us just like it waved at these people. That is profound to me. But what's more profound to me is the people that were going about this in a different way were not getting these experiences.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:50

Well, yeah. Um, but you know, why would why would whatever it is be inclined to interact with somebody if they're saying please leave and you literally don't listen.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:00

It wouldn't anyway. Can I can we talk about though how the experience ended? Because it's not on the recording.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:05

Okay, well, can I give one other thing in regards to, you know, now that everybody's like, what the fuck are they talking about? Um we lost it. Something that I do think is important to note, and I don't remember if I've talked about this before. I I don't think so, but something that we have noticed is in the paranormal, people are very like blinders on in their own lane on like ghosts and demons and whatever, you know. However, paranormal outside of the normal, in my opinion, also incorporates stuff like cryptids or UFO stuff, UAP, I think is a technical term now. You know, all of those things are paranormal. But when you are in the paranormal world and you're going to like cons and seeing all of these things happen, people want to have an identity. Everybody has their own thing and they don't really like coexist, you know. And we've even talked about where where was it the convention where they had the like paranormal one and the UFO one like way a long time ago?

SPEAKER_08 1:24:07

Yeah, identities are the problem. Not literally, basically like we live in a time where like everyone has to have an identity, and then that's the thing, and like something defines them. And this is the same we see in the paranormal. So when they go in and they they have an idea of this is what the paranormal is, when you challenge that, I believe to me, this is an absolute. If someone cannot take an an other opinion without getting mad or being like, Whoa, it's because they don't have an answer, they don't have a way to discuss it with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:35

Well, I think what it actually is is for as open-minded as people like to say they are in the paranormal world, we if you are not also considering these other possibilities, that actually isn't open-minded. No. So I personally believe that I'm a bull fan girly, we know this. I think that a lot of these things are probably just the same fucking thing. And so that is that is a lot of what ended up getting me personally down the plasmoid rabbit hole, is because they potentially explain all of this.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:09

Well, and I'm also so sorry. I know that you're the type that says no, like there's no absolutes. We disagree there because there's a ton, and I mean a ton of research that doesn't get talked about in the paranormal world that shows that what you just said is correct. Like, period. Like that all of this is pretty much the same. And it's interesting that people that are doing the real research and going through, they're showing that that's not the case.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:34

Yeah, well, I mean, I'm also I'm I am always going to be very intrigued by scientific studies that are being done because, and this is something I believe from the very beginning, is that physics, specifically like quantum physics, eventually will catch up with the paranormal and be able to actually explain some of the things that we are experiencing. I think we are, I mean, of course it's going to be a constant evolution, but we are seeing some of this happen now. And yes, when we're talking about these scientific studies and the research studies that are being published in these, you know, scientific journals, that is what a lot of them are now saying. And it is, it's just interesting. So, anyway, we'll talk about that more when we, you know, drop that like special episode.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:22

Bottom line is we had this wild experience that a whole group experienced of this thing waving at us, which you know, look, I've had things happen. I've had a the creepy crawler crawl at me, I've had bangs on the walls. We've seen some wild stuff, but it is a it is something different when you're looking at a shadow being that's there and remains there. It's not like a blip.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:44

Yeah. And then it's and you're interacting with it.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:47

And then you wave and it waves back.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:48

And the interesting thing though, and I I want to make sure we don't neglect this part, because you kind of hear us hit on it in the thing where we're like, oh, maybe it's like a little ghost puppy, you know. So we're seeing this thing. We're seeing this thing, right? But then when we're looking into the room that it's standing in front of, it looked like it was fucking full of these things.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:10

Yeah, it did.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:10

It like I literally was half expecting that like we're gonna turn some lights on or something, and there's gonna be a room full of rabid raccoons. Okay. And this was something where or little people. Um, I think that's not the politically correct term. So now we're gonna get canceled. I don't I don't know. I don't keep up with all the terminology changes.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:31

Quite literally, okay. Go ahead. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:33

We're gonna get a bad review.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:34

That is quite little, literally, the uh the way to say it.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:37

We're we're trying to be nice and politically correct. I'm sorry, I didn't Google it beforehand. Whoever's getting offended right now. I'm sorry. Um No one cares, but go ahead. Anyway, uh yeah, we were seeing like the whole room, it looked like it was full of these like eyes, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:51

You can hear in our voice, can't you?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:53

Yeah, and so I think that's why, but they also it looked small, like it looked like animals, like I was saying, like rapid raccoons, you know? And so I think that's Kind of where it evolved to us saying, like, oh, are you like a puppy? You know, because we're seeing these other behind it, you know, but that that was crazy. And that was also something, I don't know, maybe worth talking about is when we went back and we replayed, and Eric, I think, put the like the contrast or the saturation or whatever, like all the way up, um, so it was brighter. And we did see in the video clip, we see the two eyes at first.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:26

And now that we've now that the video clip has had time to age, what's interesting, it's gone.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:31

Yeah, well, which that is something I have written down that we are going to do a specific, I don't know, wine and spirits, whatever the fuck, talking on that because that's something that happens often.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:42

We touched on it during the octagon hall episode, didn't we?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:44

Yes, it's a common phenomenon. Just like when not just with us, but just like when all of our shit from Hill House got deleted. But anyway, um something that happens. Yeah, and we we did discuss, we literally had a discussion about like, well, do we just not even post this video anywhere because you know the normies, the skeptics, they're gonna be like, oh, it's just a raccoon. You're seeing the eyes of a raccoon. You know, but it's like we were there, like there was not an animal there.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:11

So it's not even about that for me. I'm beyond that point. I've evolved past that. You and I are no longer evidence girlies. I don't give a fuck about evidence. Evidence.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:19

Well, you think that kills personal experience.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:22

I think whatever this is that's presenting this to us will not be your dance monkey dance phenomenon. That's why we have things come off recordings, off video and audio. We go into places now, not even recording. We've had entities tell us we're not gonna come up with if you live stream. We've had it.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:37

Yeah, and that's something that I mean, Kathy talks about that a lot. She literally tells people like if you're live, if you're live streaming, they're not gonna come on.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:44

And she's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:45

And I think that's also like something we've talked about before. It's like, you know, we watch ghost shows, great, sure.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:50

And we're like, dude, they we have caught so much more than ever experience, but it's like because they've got big cameras in there and they're not tapped into the investigation, they're they're filming shots, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:02

And half the half the time we're not like recording things, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:30:05

Yes, and this is the thing, and and while these these beings will work with our technology, that's for sure, we know that. Um, I think the more you get into doing this for evidence and you want to just have something to show people, you're fucking up, you're missing the point, and you're not gonna get that.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:27

Well, I mean, it's a you know, to each their own. Like, if that's what you want to do, go do it. However, I don't think you're gonna get, like, you're not gonna get as much. And this is also something like pretty much all of all of the people that are, you know, I don't know, the higher ups in the paranormal, um, everybody pretty much advocates for like you are always gonna be your own best tool, you know, and going in for that personal experience. Because stuff like, you know, that the shadow thing, like you're never gonna be able to capture this shit on camera.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:58

Like, surely And if you do, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because anyone you show that to, if you took, if we had that shadow on video that we experienced, if we showed it to the top scientists in the world, you know what they're gonna tell us? So, show it right now, replicate it. This is nothing. Yeah, this is what you could you can't prove it in fake.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:18

So it doesn't matter, so it's duplicated.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:20

Stop looking for evidence like we already know this shit exists. Just go experience it.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:25

You know, other physicists deal with that.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:27

Yeah, well, but that's that. So, but this is the important part that's not on the audio, is how this experience ended.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:33

Yeah, well, I think all of this brings it back to, you know, talking about evidence and getting things like that. Well, was that saying how how was this all killed?

SPEAKER_08 1:31:39

Fucker that was in the room with those bros, doing the surgery shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:43

Which also comes back to having common courtesy. If you are ever doing an investigation in a group of people, if you hear people investigating, don't fucking go up and get in their fucking shit.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:54

Get in their shit. I I'm surprised I didn't go off on this guy. It's funny because we're having this experience, we're interacting with this shadow being, that's what I'm gonna call it, right? It's waved at us and all these things. We're we're having this great experience. All of a sudden, from down the hallway, all I see is a barrage of laser beams. Yeah. Come down the hallway.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:11

All those fucking laser brown pens.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:13

These people that think that lasers are gonna show ghosts. I'm gonna say it. Ah I won't say it, god damn it. Anyways, they the laser comes down the hallway, shadow guy's gone. Gone. And this fucking guy comes up and says, What's up, bros? I was just in this room and we did the psychic surgery.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:32

I'm like, what the fuck? He just starts talking to us like he knows us.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:35

But that laser that that he and all his other buddies think is gonna show them a shadow being, what did it do? It caused him to go away.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:42

Because this idiot comes down the hallway, flashing this laser being. And I remember that whole time, like what we don't have on audio, I don't think we might have it somewhere. We would see them, it was lasers everywhere. It would look like we were at a rave. I thought I was on like ecstasy at some points because there's lasers everywhere. And you and I would start going, like a techno.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:58

Yeah, there's a well, there's a lot of uh We were dicks. Clip, yeah, we were dicks. Yeah, we were dicks. It's on the live videos. What? I'm not putting it out here for public consumption. What the fuck was that? What was that?

SPEAKER_08 1:33:10

Did you hear that?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:11

Yeah, what was that? What was that? I don't know. We'll listen back and hear that. Anyways, the pair house is actually gone, and so sorry.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:20

Anyways, that kind of proves my point if I'm being honest. This guy's laser tool toy comes down the hallway, experience gone, the shadow thing's gone, everything's gone, and the energy gone. You felt it. This guy comes up, he's talking to us. We couldn't, we couldn't get away from him faster.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:34

We're just like, dude, like fucking go away. And he's telling us like, well, we were doing this, and we're like, And he's literally like talking to himself because all of us were just like dead silent.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:43

We're like because he just fucking killed us for us. What the fuck? He killed it for us with his laser.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:48

So anyway, so yeah, unfortunately, that's how that experience ended.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:53

Well, the only unfortunate thing is for the listeners here that are hearing this, I know it's compelling and interesting to you, and I appreciate you listening, but unfortunately, that is the kind of experience that was for us and the people involved that telling the story, hearing the story will never, ever be the same as being there.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:12

I think it's just like like anything in the paranormal. You know, like you have to you have to be there. And sure, we can retell it and we can tell the story and we can share the audio clips and we can share video, but like when you are there and you are feeling it and you are experiencing it and you're with it, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:29

It just does something to you. So then that then uh progressed, and we we did get a little piece of Waverly that we have now upstairs in a frame. Okay, but I need to talk about the end of the night because we can't do a whole episode on the haunted pants, but gotta mention them. We didn't get out of Waverly.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:49

You're gonna share this story. Fuck it. This is this is a good one. This is the best part. A good ending.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:53

This is the best Waverly story. So we got out of there finally at like what 4 a.m. or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:58

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:59

Because the way it works, it's kind of wild. They have to go through the entire building and make sure no one's like lost in there or whatever. So we were like stuck there. It got to a point where I was like, can we fucking leave? Like it was bad. It was bad. So it was like 4 a.m. and we're driving back to our motel. And honestly, we'd probably all been up for like 72 hours, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:20

Like we're literally delirious.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:22

We stop at a gas station. I don't know why or how or when this happened, but I go into the gas station, I come out, Eric's got his pants off.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:32

Well, yeah, because we're I think you and Wayne had run into the gas station, and so Chelsea and I are still out there, yeah. Um, and Eric just, you know, in in his Midwestern way, you know, um, he's like, You you guys, I I just want to ask and make sure that this isn't something that would make you feel uncomfortable. But I really, you know, my my pants. Oh my god. Damien, why do you say crass stupid things on here? Wiener is crazy. This isn't parapecular.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:58

Wiener is not crass. You say fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:00

I think it's the worst.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:01

Fuck versus wiener?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:03

Interesting. Anyways, he takes his pants off because there's waverly dust.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:08

Anyway, he's like, yeah, there's there's dust all over these, and I kind of just want to like save them. Uh is it okay if I take my pants off? Like I have boxers on and everything, but is it okay if I take and we're like, I dude, I don't fucking care.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:20

Delirious Nicole and Chelsea like I don't care.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:24

Like, do you fucking do you, dude? And he did. And so he does. He takes his pants off, and then you and Wayne come out, and you're like, what is happening?

SPEAKER_08 1:36:32

Well that there's something that he had lost, and so Eric's freaking out. Well, he couldn't find his wallet, and so he's searching around for it, and you know Well, wait, when he's when we say searching around for it, he's in a parking lot of a lit-up gas station at 4 a.m. Yeah in Kentucky. And his boxers. With his jeans off.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:45

And his boxers.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:46

And so eventually, you know, I'm like, Eric, did you check your pants pockets?

SPEAKER_08 1:36:52

No, wait, was it in the pants pockets?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:54

Yes, that's where it was.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:55

Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:56

That's it. And he was like, why didn't I just ask the psychic to begin with? Like, I don't know, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:00

Yeah. But Eric still has those pants, still covered in Waverly dust. We are going to do a seance with the haunted blue jeans. As they were called the Waverly pants.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:12

The Waverly pants.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:13

Waverly pants. Um, I don't know what else to say about the Waverly experience because if you weren't there, you won't be able to experience it. You can just hear it retold to us. We there is gonna be a down the rabbit hole, which I would love anyone that's listening, please put your questions, comments, everything in that we can touch on there.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:29

Yeah, you can either send send an email to the real ghostsof at gmail.com or you can just send a DM on Instagram um to let us know because yeah, I I have been keeping notes of, you know, all of the things that we're like, okay, we'll get into this later. Um, so I do have a list of some of the things that we want to make sure that we go more in depth on in terms of like the way that we're thinking about things and our personal theories and beliefs and all of those. Um, but yeah, if there are any questions that you have about anything in regards to Waverly or the investigation there or you know, just anything, send it our way because we want to answer those for you too.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:07

We do. We want to well, we want to join the conversation with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:10

That's what we want. That was Waverly.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:12

Um Waverly Hills, baby. What was that? That sounded like a voice. That was a voice. That sounded like talking. Did you fucking hear that? Bro, is there somebody in the house? I know there's no one in the house. I know there's not, because we would have heard the door open. Hey, bro. Do you have something to say? You can talk to us.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:36

Do we need to do a surgery? Do we need to recreate a surgery so we talk?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:42

That was wild! Welcome to the pair house. We're honored. Sorry.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:50

Anyway, anyways, it's better sweet to end this one because I don't know that we could do justice describing this how the experience was.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:57

Yeah, we do want to go back. Um, so if you want the potential.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:02

What was that goddamn noise?

SPEAKER_00 1:39:04

Dude, I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:06

Listeners, did you hear that was a car.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:09

That's a car, that's a car. Okay, anyway. Um, we do want to go back. We're uh our goal is to go with just, you know, a small group, rent it out personally for ourselves. But if you want the potential for an invite, you have to be in the family, okay? You have to join Pear Academy on our Patreon, PearPeculier.com backslash wait, Patreon.com backslash parapeculier.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:34

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:34

Um, but that's I mean, that's that's the fam, you know? And so they're the ones that are doing all of this weird shit with us and hanging out and um, you know, they're I mean, really doing the weird shit with us.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:45

They're in the note.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:46

Well, they're the ones that are getting the invite to do the you know, random seance where we're not telling them what the fuck we're doing, and then you know, there's a picture of someone. And then all of a sudden Jeffrey Dahmer's ghost is following us. You know, sitting in the backyard with us and Sarah Reeves and summoning aliens. You know, who knows? You never know. You never know what's gonna happen there, but we do weird shit and they get the invite. So if you want to What the? Okay, we're gonna end the episode now and go to check I don't know what's happening.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:16

This is a straight DVP session.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:18

I don't know what's happening.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:22

That's already heard. That was way really old. That's the end of our episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:54

We're done. We're gonna go investigate the pair house now.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:56

We'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:58

Okay, bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:00

That was water weird.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:06

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SPEAKER_00 1:41:17

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