38. Down The Rabbit Hole on Octagon Hall

Follow us down the rabbit hole as we discuss our theories and ideas about some of the weird happenings we experienced on our investigation at the Octagon Hall Museum in Franklin, Kentucky!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to the Real Ghosts of Podcast, where we explore haunted locations in and around Austin, Texas. We're your hosts, Nicole Ricardo and Damien Shelacey.

SPEAKER_02 0:17

Listen along as we couple in-depth historical research and paranormal investigative techniques with a sixth sense of the unknown. Hello.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

Hello. Welcome back.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Yes, wine and spirits.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

Wine and spirits. Without wine.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

What is that that you've got? It looks like chocolate milk.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

Uh I have coffee.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

It's some butterscotch something. What's the flavor?

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Butterscotch, Sasquatch, something or another. It's a really cool bag.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Oh, buttersquatch caramel. Buttersquatch. Butterscotch.

SPEAKER_02 0:59

You literally just said buttersquatch. Everyone listening, you all heard it. That's amazing. That's literally the new word. Buttersquatch caramel. Okay, well, if I do. That's your new name, buttersquatchy.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

My subconscious is way cooler than I am. Yes. But it's from what is it, Bones Coffee or whatever? They're fucking great.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

They're really good. They make the s'mores coffee they love.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Yeah, the s'mores coffee coffee. That's literally my favorite. But anyway, um, so we are hot off uh our octagon hall investigation episodes. And let's start off this episode by discussing the EVP session that we did. Because um, so when we sat down to record that episode, we sat down, we knew where in the episodes we wanted to place the clips, um, but we hadn't even actually like listened to it yet. So at the time when we had recorded it, that's why you you even hear us say in there, you know, well, I don't know, we just played it. Maybe you heard literally nothing. So uh I mean you didn't hear literally nothing, but it's interesting because when we were there in the moment, in person, you could very clearly hear and this is something that I think that for me was uh it's kind of surprising.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

So you you hear us start off the episode by giving kind of a you know, hey, this happens, let us know what you think. When we were there at Octagon Hall, I'm gonna point this out before we even start talking about any of this. We all heard this thing in real time.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

And you can tell by the reaction that you give.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Yes. Because I I do not have reactions.

SPEAKER_02 2:41

No, and not like that.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

I mean uh But we we both heard it, Eric heard it, like we heard it in in real life, but then uh yeah, when we were going back and uh getting that clip ready to insert it into the episode to finalize everything, we played that clip, and originally we played the clip that was on the road mics.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

Right, the road go mics, they're attached to us the whole time.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

That's typically any audio that you hear um on the RGO investigations, that's what it's coming from. The little road go mics that are literally like clipped onto our body. Um, but on those mics, I thought it was really interesting because the EVP session. So we're doing this session. We did straight EVP session first with no noise, no whatever, just asking a question with a recorder, right? Then we did a couple rounds of trying it with having a shortwave radio on in the background, just white noise, good good old fashioned white noise. Good old fashioned, white noise. But the interesting thing is on the the audio from the road mics, you really couldn't even hear the radio like at all.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

You can hear the radio, it's just but it's so faint.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

It's like I had to like make a concerted effort to try to hear it.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

Yeah, and I think I wonder if we'll have to look. I I'm wondering if it's because those road mics are really designed to try to really only be picking up your voice, because they are designed for you to be talking and getting uh speaking audio. They're not really designed for room ambient audio, right?

SPEAKER_00 4:14

But on the Estes session, that the long clip that we included in the Octagon Hall part two, the background noise with all of the the cicadas and the chirping and the you know the ambient nature sounds true. That comes through loud and clear.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

That is true. So we played it back on the road, Mike's. We thought that there was nothing there. Because then when it gets to the part where you where there's supposed to be uh not even an EVP, but a direct radio response. That's the thing that we really want to clarify here.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

So So can you explain the difference to everybody listening in case people are not, you know, fucking weirdos like we are, and sitting around with a shortwave radio listening to white noise for hours.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

You got a buttersquatch.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

And um Okay, Kit Kat.

SPEAKER_02 5:02

Yeah, so the difference is this um an EVP, electronic voice phenomena, is let's say you've got your recorder out, uh, whether you're using white noise or you're not using white noise, um, something ends up getting recorded that you did not hear in real time. And you go back, you listen to it, and that's when you hear it, right? Direct radio response is when you're using something like a shortwave radio or even, I guess, what you know, what people call a spirit box, if you ask a question and any direct response comes through the speaker of the of the radio that you're using, that you actually hear in real time, uh as well as have recorded. And I'm well, I'm gonna have to check with Eric, who was there with us. Uh and hey, thanks, Eric, for the amazing intro to the last episode.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Best best intro, best cold open we've had on RGO. And by the way, just to paint the picture, if you haven't, um I'm sorry if you don't want people lurking you on Instagram, Eric, but he goes by Sir Talking Hair, as named by the spirits. But anyway, go lurk him. Like he looks like a fucking security card dude, you know? Like he's like, he looks like if he punched you in the face, you're gonna be down for the count, okay? And so just hearing him like over a mouth.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

It's funny. It is it's very funny. We we're gonna have to talk to him and ask him, um, because I am almost positive, right? And again, goldfish brain here, but I'm almost positive that after it happened, we immediately checked our recording device because we were also recording on a digital handheld recorder that we always use. So we'll get there. But I'm almost positive because this thing came out and responded twice. It said your name uh twice in response to us asking it. And so I'm I'm almost positive we went back and checked the recording to make sure it was there, and I know it was because I remember how it sounded so clear. So, anyways, we had thought uh when we were when we pulled up the audio from the road mics, there was nothing there.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

It wasn't on there, so then thankfully you happened to have your little mini, you know, just whatever, get it at the Radio Shack or whatever. Yeah, handheld recorder.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

Perfect digital recorder for paranormal investigating, by the way. So, like anyone that listens to us talk on this podcast, and maybe you're wanting to do this stuff, yes, a digital handheld recorder, a little Sony is what what we have. Very cheap, like 30 bucks, he'll get it. But I had all these old files, and I spent some time going back and I found that that session.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

And so that is the one that we ended up using in the episode because uh so we asked the question first, you don't really hear anything. You ask the question again, oh, can you say her name again? And you do hear something at least on that audio.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

On this audio. So that's the thing. So when I found that we had the audio file, I got excited. I started listening to it, and then there it was. I didn't hear it. The first one you don't hear anything. But when I say, Can you say that again or something to that effect, you hear what to me sounds like the the only way I can describe it is like two steps on like wet leaves. That's kind of how it just registers in my brain. But you hear something.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

It it sounds kind of like you know, like two taps or something.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

But it's two syllables is the big thing.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 8:17

Because we know it said your name, well, your name is two syllables, but it said it in that way.

SPEAKER_00 8:20

It's it was the same, it was the same, the tap that you hear. The same cadence. It's the same exact cadence of what we actually heard when we were there.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Which was na cole, right? In this weird, raspy, staticky voice.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

Um so it is it's interesting that we got that, but yeah, it does not at all sound like what we heard in person.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

What we heard in person, and what I'm almost positive that we checked back to make sure we have uh had recorded.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

So well, on on that note though, so the entire reason we're recording this episode is because we want to kind of talk about this phenomena. Um, and it did happen a couple other times just on that investigation, Octagon Hall. Not even getting into all of the other times that this has happened to us, but just on the Octagon Hall investigation, one that is still like it lives rent-free in my brain, is I believe what the kids are saying these days. Is that what they're saying? Um so on the long Esther session, you hear Damien and Eric are seeing these lights in the sky. Um, we were live streaming this entire investigation. We always live stream have the raw uncut for our Patreon, pair academy tier. Um, so shout out for that if you're interested. But anyway, so we we did watch back the live stream. It was that night because we literally had this conversation about I want to go watch and see what it looks like now, if we even caught it, first of all, but then also see what it looks like now and then see what happens if we go back over the next few days. Are those lights still gonna be there?

SPEAKER_01 10:00

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Because this is something that has happened to us often. So we did watch it, we replayed the video, found the lights um from the live stream that night while we were still at Octagon Hall and we watched it and they were bright. You could you could see them, but not only could you see them, it was bright.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

It was bright, and there was a lot of motion, and they were bright.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

It was bright, and then we we went back the next day to be like, we're just gonna check on this. And you can still kind of see the lights, but they're super dim.

SPEAKER_02 10:32

Which is interesting because what it does, it becomes something that's still there, but not enough to be compelling or even meaningful to anyone that's not there.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

Right. It can easily be written off by any old skeptic on the internet.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Yeah. And I've got lots of thoughts on why I think this is, and my thoughts aren't just my theories. This is something that not only has it happened to us many times over different investigations.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Well, it's happened to a lot of the very serious investigators that we've spoken to as well.

SPEAKER_02 11:02

Yes, but it also a lot of researchers that do just specifically any kind of work recording audio. This happens, but uh something that happens to you and I, I'm gonna talk about one thing specifically, and that is the audio we have, which is really a video, uh, of the whistling that happened at Hill House.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

This is something that is there and then not there when it wants to be.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Okay. That right there is leads us into my thinking onto why this happened in Hill House.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Okay, well, do you want do you want to explain more what you mean by that though? Because I know what you're saying, but you know, whoever is listening might be like, okay, Damian, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 11:40

So we have a uh what's a video of you at Hill House when the whistling happens.

SPEAKER_00 11:47

It's the video of the whistle, yes.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

And uh the video, it's posted on our Instagram, it's pinned.

SPEAKER_02 11:53

And it's interesting because we've had this happen now multiple times. If we were to pull up the video and look at it, we're gonna see it, we're gonna hear the whistle. The amount of times though that we've been talking to someone about that phenomenon that happened, we say, Oh, let us show you so you can hear it. We pull it out, and I'll never forget this. The first time it happened, you pulled out your phone, you you hit play on the video, no audio.

SPEAKER_00 12:14

Yeah, and it's like it plays the video, and this is not just a you know, me being stupid and like clicking, you know, the like the volume is off or whatever. Like I specifically specifically click like volume on, the video plays, but the audio just will randomly not work.

SPEAKER_02 12:30

Well, in this incident, uh in this time that it happened, you said, Oh, the audio is not playing. I pulled out my phone, which also has it, and the audio is not playing. Uh while we were trying to show this person, we get back to where we were going and it works again. On and off, on and off.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

And that has happened on multiple, multiple occasions.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

And it's worth noting doing a very basic, just little recap of a couple of other times where something like this has happened. We have lost entire recordings from locations.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

We talked about that on one of the episodes, the Hill House episodes, because that was a big freaking issue. Big freaking issue.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

Yes, a big freaking issue. So why do we think that happens? Do you want me to start with what I'm what my thinking on that?

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Yeah, because we were so we were just kind of, you know, briefly talking about like, oh, well, what what are we gonna talk about on this? I'm like, dude, I don't know why this shit happened. So I want to know what your theories and thoughts are and let's discuss.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

Yeah. I think in theory, whatever these things are, we're not gonna define that on this episode. Call it ghosts for lack of a better term. These beings. I think that when they present these things to us, it's so much about not a recording, not evidence that everyone's always trying to collect. Have you ever noticed paranormal investigators, or if their whole mantra is like, I am here to collect the most serious evidence to show proof of the paranormal, they seemingly have the least amount of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

Yeah, and I mean I think that goes to discussions we've had before in terms of how we investigate. And we don't actually like to use a lot of equipment. We more more so are focused on using ourselves as the equipment, if you will, but also just having the experience, right? And this is something I've heard over and over and over again by, you know, anybody that's worth anything in this field. They're like, you can get too caught up in the equipment because that's all you're focusing on, and you're gonna be missing everything else that's happening around you.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

And you can get too caught up on this idea of trying to capture evidence. So let's just real quick, it's this very short little rant. When we record some phenomenon, whether it's video or audio, I challenge us to stop calling this evidence. What you're doing is documenting your experience. That is not evidence of anything, because you cannot show a video or audio to somebody and say this is proof, because it's very easy to say, well, no, you could have just made that up. There's no way to prove you did not.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

Yeah. So it's not evidence. Somebody's always gonna have a debunking, and that's something that we've even talked about. Obviously, we'll get into this when we talk about Waverly Hills, but we had a one of the coolest experiences that I think we've ever had. Oh, yeah. We did capture something in regards to it. It's not anything like crazy buy meat. Well no, it's gone. It's gone now.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

However, we went and looked back at it. That thing we're gonna it's what yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

So the Okay, well, anyway, before it was gone, we had even talked about, well, I don't know, I don't think we should ever post this because anybody who is skeptical, whatever, they're just gonna be like, oh, well, it's just this, or it was just an animal. You know, and everybody's gonna have a fucking reason for everything.

SPEAKER_02 15:42

And that's not ever our point of doing it. But regardless, there's been countless researchers over the years that are not in what you would call the paranormal world, okay? That are doing this and have said and noticed that it seems like these beings, when they generate this phenomenon for us, however they're doing it, it seems to be done in such a way that it's weird and compelling to us, but we're still able to uh uh sense it, experience it. But it's also done in a way that's very easy to say, oh, that's just it's easy to debunk by people that want to debunk it. Why would that be? Well, uh potentially these beings, this whatever this is doesn't want you to be able to prove anything or show this because now you're like missing the point, aren't you? You're missing the point of the phenomenon. You are using it as a way as like a circus animal. Like, look at my cool trick that I've got, right? Maybe that's why they don't allow for it. Maybe that's why something like really, really wild and compelling, like what we heard, is now just this sound.

SPEAKER_00 16:49

Yeah, and I mean it's also interesting when we're talking about that specifically the well, maybe they just don't want us to hear it. Okay, well, yes, we already know I'm of the mind. I don't think anybody's gonna know anything about any of this shit definitively until we're dead, okay? Then we'll get some answers, maybe until we're doing it to other people. However, uh something that also stands out to me is we've been a lot of places. When we go to these places, we love talking to the owners. Pretty much everywhere that we've been to, and these people who own these locations, they all typically will say that the activity is significantly less or will tend to not happen if you're going in there with your uh video cameras and you know, live streaming and you know, all of your gear and your equipment, all of them tend to agree that that will usually diminish the activity like significantly.

SPEAKER_02 17:48

Well, that's a guarantee. And they've even heard EVPs and and audible responses at many locations where these things are actually saying that. Like if you're gonna live stream, we're not gonna pop off. Not saying it in those words, but that reminds me, one of the places that said that was, of course, Hill House, right? We have been in a room there and heard really loud noises, like growls that I get excited about. And I want it, not that I want to share it, I don't that I care to, I really don't, but when I go to listen back to it, it's barely there. Which look, audio like sort of recording 101, if I click my fingers, that's not going to come back recorded in a weird lower way unless I'm way, way, way, way, way far from the microphone. But if my ears are picking it up and it comes back so quiet, that is interesting to me there.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

It's just weird. It's just all weird. But the other thing, so another example of this that actually does did happen at Octagon Hall, um, was we started the the night, we were upstairs and we were doing some EVP sessions up there. And something interesting happened in that we're doing an EVP session, we're reviewing the audio, and we hear in the audio a bang or a knock or something that we did not hear audibly. And we tried debunking it. You know, Eric was sitting on a stool, we had him getting up and down and, you know, moving around, and we're we do everything that we can think of to try to come up with if there is some sort of explanation for why that occurred, right? But then immediately following that, the opposite actually happened is we were doing an EVP session, same place, and we heard a knock audibly, and we even look at each other. There's probably, if we were to go back, there's probably clips of us saying, like, oh, it sounded like it came from the armoire or whatever. And then we listened back to the audio again, but it wasn't there.

SPEAKER_02 19:43

Well, that is interesting because that also brings me up back to the road mics thing, how there was nothing on that, but there wasn't a digital recorder. There's been a lot of work into this that shows that these beings will manipulate and use the these devices technology to communicate in this way. But when you have multiple recorders out at one time, it's more often than not, like an EVP especially, going to only be on one of those recordings.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Yeah, which we have we tested that there specifically during that session. When we were upstairs, I think we did that.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

This is why we always have multiple recording devices.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Yeah, you had your the digital recorder and the tape recorder, and we were listening back to all of those.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

This also then brings up the visual piece of this. I think this is the same reason we will not ever, and we don't have uh real video footage of like a like a an entity that you would see. Right? And that brings me back to another speaking of Eric, he's getting a lot of airtime here, right? Because he's he's been with us now doing some sort of uh kind of road dogging with us and he's going on these adventures with us. We were at Hill House, we took him to Hill House because we're a couple of idiots taking these people into this place. Uh he had a moment where he saw a visual called apparition of a woman and then vanished. If you look at the video uh footage of the camera that was right on him, you see him react and then the video gets pixelated.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

Yeah, there's a lot of pixelation in the specific area where he saw something.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

And this reminds me the of uh the thing that we will eventually talk about. Waverly hills are not gonna spoil it on this episode. But the shadow beings I've seen at Hill House. You go back and you look at the video camera, they're not there. This is a compelling point. I think it works like this. I think these things are connecting with us in a way that would be only described as spiritual. So I can see and hear them, but without me, it cannot be seen, heard, or because if the camera can't see it or hear it, but I'm sitting there looking at it, right? So it's that must prove that point.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

It's basically like essentially like how our hearing works, right? And the, you know, the age old question if a tree falls in the forest, but nobody's there to hear it. You know, did did it actually make a sound? And you know, that goes to talking about like, well, those sound waves, it it's just a wave. But then when it goes into the human ear, and then it is able to translate that into an actual sound that we are hearing, right? Um it it could be potentially working in the same manner in which this stuff is occurring, but the spectrum, wavelength, wave, whatever it is, is happening in a manner that is then entering the human body through whatever sense we are turning it into that then physical information. Whereas that's not something like, sure, um a microphone can pick up audio, but it's not, it's not the exact same thing as a human ear, right? Or like a camera is picking up visual footage, but it's not, it is not the exact same thing as how a human eye works.

SPEAKER_02 22:57

I think in this instance though, it has more to do with the fact that there's no spiritual component to these devices. I think the spiritual component of us, which encompasses a lot of things, right? But the spiritual component of us, I think, is required. And I've said this so many times about how if robots took over the planet, I don't think that there'd be paranormal phenomenon being experienced.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

We're not gonna talk about robots, but that's the point.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

Because we kind of are when we're talking about a video camera and an audio recorder, like it's the same principle, right? I'm really firmly in this space of it's because the spiritual component is connecting with us. So when we record it, if we get it, the the thing I don't understand is why sometimes do you get it, but sometimes it's not there, sometimes it sounds lower than it was, but sometimes you get great stuff.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Okay, but can you expand more? Like, I want to know specifically what you mean by the spiritual component because I know you um go on about like okay, well, if the entire world was taken over by AI and robots and whatever, and there's no humans here, I don't think there would be any paranormal activity. Yep. I d I I think there still would be. Does that mean a robot would perceive it? That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

They wouldn't experience it. I don't know. I think it takes us to experience it. When I say the spiritual component, you can call it a soul, you can call it the the conscious, right? Because we don't that is that spiritual component of the city.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

The robots, whatever, they would not have the awareness to to pick up on these things on paranormal activity, and that's what's setting it apart.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

No, because if you think about it, if we see an apparition like we just described with Eric, yet the video camera, yeah, got a little pixelated, but it didn't see anything. Certainly the video camera cannot have an experience, right? Like we could. There's no meaning behind it, it's just a thing that it's registering, but it can't even register it.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

So it's a consciousness.

SPEAKER_02 24:48

I think so. And people can call that a soul, a consciousness, whatever you want. It's the human component. I say the spiritual component because this is where it gets interesting. It seems we like to make the the joke and use the term paranormal cock block. It seems if you are a person, a spiritual being with conscious and everything, if you absolutely are not open to the experiences and you don't believe them, uh you typically don't have the experiences. We saw this last year we were doing an event, ethereal fest, whatever. A whole group of people had heard our friend the whistle. There was one guy that was right there with them who did not hear it, and he was the one guy that did not believe in any of the stuff. That is compelling to me. That is wildly compelling to me. Because that must mean if you're not open to it, you're not able to connect to it. I I don't know that answer.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

Sure, but then what about the people who are super open and they want to experience this and they actively seek it out, but still would fall perhaps into that paranormal cockblock category of haven't they just haven't been able to experience anything.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

Taking it to that spiritual component conscious, there's that energy piece of it. I think if you're overexcited about it, it you're not present really, right? You're almost thinking in the future. It's anxiety. So what is anxiety? Anxiety is being worried about the future, right? It's almost like that. You're too focused on the outcome, you're not just being present in the space. This is why you and I have seen this. If we go into a location and we do some of these methods that that you've kind of brought into our little world here of uh energy transfers and and this and that, things start to get better and things open up. I I really do believe there's a component there.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

So what I So now we need to run an experiment where we take a paranormal clock block who is open and wanting to have these experiences. Um well, I mean, I I have what I'm about to say. Like, I have tried this before with um, you know, kind of similar situation, you know, somebody who typically is not really having experiences, whatever, but they're open to it, they believe in it. Um, but then doing that, you know, taking that extra step of like, okay, we're gonna ground right now, we're gonna try to tap into the energy, we're gonna open ourselves up, uh blah, blah, blah, you know, but then still things pop off. Have not happened.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

Yeah. Well, their energy could be combined with yours, if you think about it. Almost like that wet blanket theory, right? But it's this, it's interesting. Some of the stuff that we've been looking at recently, and maybe we'll do the wet blanket theory. Well, I mean, when someone calls you a wet blanket, right? Like that can can put out like a fire or something, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:35

Like, but I think that that would be more applicable to say, like, the bartender that time, everybody heard the whistle, but he didn't. He he was being a he was being a wet blanket, you know. But I'm talking specifically about somebody who is like open to it, they actively want to experience things, they just and they're trying, they just haven't.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

That's a good point. I think if you take them and and run them through those steps, we had a uh one of our people, Pierce, I kind of went through that with him. He was really open to it and wanting experience. And I remember him sitting down and talking to the environment over there at Hill House saying, Hey, I if you're here, I really want to have an experience. I never have. And I had to just kind of help him say, Hey, yeah, it was great, ground them.

SPEAKER_00 28:14

But so Well, okay, before you carry on, I'm sorry I'm interrupting you. I just have to give another quick shout-out because that's the second time you mentioned that us taking them to Hill House. Uh, that is from our Patreon, our pair academy members.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Uh if you would like to go into haunted locations, we'll be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

Well, I mean, that's something that we love doing, you know, these experiments, like, yeah, of course, we do them ourselves, but like more brains are better than one, and we want to share these experiences. So For two reasons.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

Like, I want to touch on this because one, we have started referring to them as like family. These are they've are they all I mean, they are. Yeah. But also initially, when you and I would just go into these places, there got a point. It came to a point where we thought, all right, dude, this is we have wild shit happen. No one's gonna believe us. We need witnesses. We need witnesses.

SPEAKER_00 28:59

Well, yeah, I mean, some of the stuff that we've got.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

We should have called the Patreon the Witness Protection Program or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

Oh my god, wait, we can rename that actually. I think we should. That's way better. Um But yeah, I forget where I was going with that because that was so good. The witness.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Well, you were just pointing out that if people want to do that, they can actually join our little company.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Come join our Patreon. Patreon.com backslash parapeculier. All right, carry on.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

One of the experiments that we've been talking a lot about, we've done it a couple of times, and we are gonna dive more into this, but it's that CE5 shit. That actually requires, well, like I was talking uh to you this morning about a meditation. Sometimes it takes two fucking hours.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Yes, and this is okay, just to give background, can you please uh discuss what CE5 is.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

If you want to learn about it, you can go Google it, it's a whole bunch of stuff on YouTube. A guy, Dr. Greer, who's in a lot of these UFO documentaries, um, really made this popular. But it's what it is, it's using meditation and visualization, kind of one and the same, but the visualization is very important, and intent to be outside at night to essentially and this is a a way of just describing it, but summon UFOs.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

And this is, I do also want to take a second because this episode series, the investigation episodes of Octagon Hall specifically, it is a bit of a departure, you know, from typical RGO episodes. It's we're talking about ghosts and spirits and whatever hauntings. Um, obviously, uh I feel like the majority of the activity that we experienced at Octagon and the some of the most profound things that we experienced and most compelling, all of the above, were when we were outside, we were doing those, the Estes session that we put the entire clip in of, and you and Eric kept seeing all of this stuff happening in the sky, right? And it's very like, okay, what we're talking about UFOs now or what? But the thing that I want to mention, and I know we've said this on a couple episodes, but if you haven't listened to parapeculiar episodes yet, you should definitely go listen to those. Um, but just a quick as an aside, I personally do believe that when we talk about paranormal occurrences, I think a lot of people in this world tend to get very like, okay, paranormal, we're talking about ghosts and you know, haunted places, whatever. I think that there is a very large overlap. I'm a you're a bullfanned girly, you know this, um, between paranormal, meaning like ghosts, hauntings, whatever, as well as anything that might be UFO or what is it now, UAP, extraterrestrial, whatever. But then we have like cryptids, extra-dimensional, all of these things, this you know, field of weird, high strangeness. I think that a lot of it, I think that there's a both and with a lot of this. I think a lot of it is interconnected. And I think a lot of people, specifically paranormal investigators, well, I guess paranormal investigators or UFO people or cryptid people, I think they get very focused on like their own lane, you know? And they they don't really look outside of it.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

Well, and that's just wild to me because you and I differ a little bit here because I am of the opinion out of everything I've done, witnessed, experienced, and uh seen as far as other people's research goes, I'm convinced. Um all of it's the same, it's it's all spiritual nature is the way to sum it up. I mean, everything from what you see in the sky to UFOs, to cryptids, to ghosts, because uh all of it seems to interact with us in a way that aligns with certain things. And there's always some UFOs are a great one. Experiencers of that, uh abductees or people that experience UFOs oftentimes report now having newfound psychic abilities open up afterwards. That's interesting. If you look at, I've got this great book that is all about UFO sightings through antiquity, and you just look at the actual recorded accounts, these things change over time, dependent on what people think these things will look like. This is the same for ghost. If you just look at the history of ghost, it is true that based on your culture, what you think about ghost, and what time period you're in, you're oftentimes going to experience it uh with that filter on it.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Right. The filter of pop culture and society.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Yeah, or just like kind of yes, where you are. Like as an example, we may see uh let's say a ghost that has a Victorian garb on. Now, the people from the I don't know, uh, antiquity would see it very differently and experience differently in a way that we probably couldn't perceive because we don't live in that type of.

SPEAKER_00 33:41

Were they seeing like caveman ghosts? They're like a naked man just run through here.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

Uh I don't know. That would be I don't I'll have to look through the literature and find naked man ghosts running through the city.

SPEAKER_00 33:51

Somebody look that up and let us know. I'm interested.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Yeah. Well, it is interesting because I I when I say spiritual component, let me also add this in, and this maybe not be fair to add in, um, but I also lump that very closely with this idea that all of these things could also be intra-ultra-dimensional or terrestrial.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Yeah, that that tends to be what I prescribe to the most, like interdimensional, extra-dimensional, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 34:19

And I put that in the spiritual component because we may not understand spiritual in the proper way. It could mean a connection with these uh intra or ultra-terrestrial or interdimensional beings, because that could be the next phase of where we go of consciousness after we are here.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

Sure, right. We kick the bucket, except we're actually just moving on to this other dimension.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

Yeah, can we? I guess we can't talk about the Waverly. No, I guess we can't talk about the Waverly thing.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

No, we can't talk about Waverly. Also, I'm starting to wonder. So, something we had discussed a while ago was doing um down the rabbit hole episodes after our investigation. So I'm like, is this I feel like this is a little more down the rabbit hole than a wine and spirits.

SPEAKER_02 35:02

This is not a wine and spirits. No, this is a down the rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

Should this be our first down the rabbit hole?

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Maybe, because I think it's yes, because I I I like the idea of doing episodes that do get people to think because it's not something that you can really do when you're listening to uh us investigate. You can hear it, you can kind of be there with us, but we think very deeply about this shit. So we thought it would be cool to like literally have these conversations so you can not only witness the investigation sort of with us, but understand how we're approaching it and thinking about it.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

Yeah, and I mean also hear about just some of these like weird things that are occurring that also then turn into patterns, like say what we are talking about here, you know, because like sure, it happened on this investigation. However, to me, things start becoming much more interesting when we're seeing it repeatedly over and over and over at various locations, and it's happening. You know, it that's just that's a whole other level, and that's not something that's necessarily directly applicable to discuss within the context of an investigation episode on Octagon Hall. You know, it's like it this is a bit, it's a bit bigger picture.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

Yeah, well, and I think that bigger picture is good for people that do listen and and and hopefully you guys like this, and that way you've got both both uh pieces of content you can sort of digest. But yeah, that's where we are with this. That's what happened with that EVP. We wanted to really talk about this because we were going back and forth of, well, fuck, that's not there. Did we have to re-record a bunch of us talking on the episode? But we didn't want to do that either.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Well, the other thing that we didn't even haven't even touched on yet, which, you know, very much could have just been user error. However, at the beginning, at the beginning of the Optagon Hall Part 2 episode, um, Damien makes his little, you know, kind of introduction that at the end, um, something weird happened with the final audio clip. I think it's like, I don't know, like 20 minutes or so. But you were probably listening and you could hear the the very last audio clip of us talking after we played the EVP, where you hear the little like knocks, whatever. Um, it just sounds different. And so here's the thing when I was going through and I'm editing the episode, I hear this, and I could already tell just by looking at the sound waves on the screen. The sound waves looked different, they were way smaller, you know, it just looked different. And then I played it and I was like, dude, this sounds so fucking bad. Like, what happened here? And so I'm listening to it and I was like, I don't know, like, did we like literally like pick up the mics and go record this in a different freaking room?

SPEAKER_02 37:36

Which we never do. I mean, one of us, you know, you you obviously went to school for music. I went to school for audio recording.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

Like, we typically do these in one setting too. Just like how we even said, like, that that EVP clip we hadn't even listened to before we sat down and recorded the episode. We just knew where in the episode we were putting the Estes session because that was a really big chunk. And we knew where in the episode we were putting that EVP clip, you know, and then we sit down, we record everything. And sure we might take a break in between to, you know, I don't know, get a glass of wine or eat dinner or whatever. But usually the setup is left exactly where it is. We go do whatever, we come back, sit down, continue recording, you know. So it's like the the possibility.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

There's no reason for that then that that we would have done that.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

It's just like, what okay, well, between the two of us, we've recorded hundreds of, we've had hundreds of recording sessions at that point. Like that would just be stupid. Yeah. Like we know better than to do that, you know? And so anyway, yeah, we're having this whole conundrum where we're like, fuck. Do you think there's a spiritual component? I don't really want to re-record this. Well, so here's the thing with this. So I sent this over to um John, Angela's husband, Angela's.

SPEAKER_02 38:49

She's talking, I am gonna get some wine because this is supposed to be a good one.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Yeah, and get get some wine. Um, so I send it over to John, Angela's husband. Angela's the one who does the music for RGO. We're familiar with her. Um, John used to do the editing for RGO. He's great. He's really like super type A, very detail-oriented, like I am. And so I was like, okay, I'm gonna send this over to him and just see if this is salvageable, get his opinion on maybe what happened here. And, you know, we're I send it over, we're texting back and forth and kind of ask the same thing, like, did y'all like move the mics and pick up and like record in a different room? You know, did you do this? And we're like, no, we already troubleshooted all of these. And so he ended up saying the only, the only thing that we can think of is, you know, when you uh hit record, so we record into garage band, we use garage band, um, you can click the input for the microphone, right? Which if we leave our recording set up, I that's not gonna change.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

None of that happened. So the because you might be thinking to yourself, why are these people blaming something like paranormal activity on all this technology stuff? Well, it's because how many batteries have we had a lot of time?

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Yeah, it affects technology.

SPEAKER_02 40:04

How many radios have we lost? How many spirit boxes have we lost?

SPEAKER_00 40:06

How many, you know, it killed my Tesla coid REM pods, I think.

SPEAKER_02 40:09

One or two uh for sure, uh, at uh what was the place the fort we were at in the video camera?

SPEAKER_00 40:15

Mm-hmm. Just it's just like it's notorious for fucking with technology. And also, you know, not to mention all the things that we already mentioned earlier in this episode of us having all, you know, an entire night of Hill House audio literally getting deleted, the video on our phone, sometimes playing, sometimes not, you know, like stuff like this just happens with paranormal things. And so am I blaming it on like, oh, go switch the input. And instead of recording through the mics, it was recording through the computer. Like, I but I think this would like I wouldn't have changed it.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

This is this is a good lesson though for people that are into this because these things are going to a show you phenomena or give you an experience if they want to. Also, it's apparent that if they don't want that phenomena or experience recorded, yeah, they're gonna delete it. It's gone.

SPEAKER_00 41:06

Yeah, they are gonna delete it.

SPEAKER_02 41:08

So I think what we do here, what we do with that, A, it helps give us a philosophy or a theory of what this all might be coming from. So I think that's compelling. But it also helps us to remember, yes, you want to to document things. You want to take your audio recorders and your video recorders 100%, but you're documenting your experience. Make it more about the experience, because that's what matters. Because at the end of the day, this could all be gone. You'd have no evidence. If you spend all your time focused on that, you're you're losing it.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

Yes. And something that also just popped into my brain as you were talking that we've kind of I saw that happen by the way. We've kind of briefly discussed this before. Um, but I do want you to talk a bit more about your thoughts on it right now, about how potentially like EVPs, audio phenomena like this, that shows up on the recording devices, uh, that it is potentially, you know, whatever this is, actually manipulating the technology of that device to put those voices, words, whatever sounds onto it. Because, and the reason that that popped into my head, what I remembered as you were talking, is we were talking to Monica. Shout out Monica, Austin Ghost Tours, we love her. Um, but she had mentioned she was talking about one of her investigations, and she went back literal years later and was listening to this one of the recordings that she had done during an EVP session, and there was a voice. It had never been there before. It was not there when she originally did it. It was as if a new EVP showed up in this audio later.

SPEAKER_02 42:50

Like the yes, and and that is something that is interesting. It was on a tape, and that's compelling because a tape, you know, like a digital recorder, you have to have turned on for the the parts to work and for it to record anything. Whereas a cassette tape that you would record like a blank one, the the the way that you record audio onto that is you don't need the the the sort of medium, right? It doesn't need to be turned on. Like that's can just happen. So that's happened before, but I think I could be wrong. But I think John Tenney even talked about something similar in his book on EVPs or or maybe theoretical weirdo. I can't remember if I'm wrong on that, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 43:27

But um Which can we just say shout out because I don't think I've ever talked about John Tenney on here to anybody who likes weird shit and you are vibing with what we are talking about in this episode. Yeah, go also look up John Tenney and just to give him like he, yeah, he's not somebody that you're like, oh, he has a go show or whatever. He has been featured on a few, but I will tell you, um, knowing who we know in the paranormal, he is the dude that like the paranormal investigators, like the people who have all the shows, whatever, like when they don't know what the fuck is going on, they call John Tenny.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

Yeah.

unknown 43:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Um, and I think yeah, go go read his book, Theoretical Weirder. There's a lot of stuff in there that that helped even the way that we kind of think about things, just because there's weird experiments. When you start diving into weird experiments to have phenomena or generate phenomena, you start to understand that this is a little bit different than than than we might think. I brought you a Reese's cup just now.

SPEAKER_00 44:18

You did, but I this is not an ASMR episode. So I'm not gonna Yeah, I'm not and you know how full about mouth noises, it makes me want to punch people in the face.

SPEAKER_01 44:27

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:27

Um, so I'm not gonna chew into the microphone, especially a Reese's, because that's just gonna be that's just gonna sound like you just did it.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

Don't let me do it. Oh gosh, man.

SPEAKER_00 44:37

Yeah, it's disgusting.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

I'm gonna literally edit that clip out and play it back over and over and like put it to a music track.

SPEAKER_00 44:43

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 44:44

All that to say, guys, we wanted to have this conversation because of if you listened to the episode of Octagon Hall, you probably got to the point where we played the EVP and you thought, okay, what the fuck is this?

SPEAKER_00 44:56

They're crazy.

SPEAKER_02 44:57

Yes, which we're not. We are, but we're not.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

I mean you hear something, it's just not the voice that we heard in real life.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

Yes, I think it's so compelling that it's in the exact same cadence, but it's almost like it took away that language. Right? I'm wondering if we would have been people that don't say speak English, we sp spoke another language. Maybe that cadence would have been in that language. So then maybe what we were hearing that on the actual thing that everyone's heard, maybe that's like the energy of it, but it interacts with you in person based off of who you are, your culture, your language. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

That's a bit wild to me.

SPEAKER_00 45:38

I don't know. So um yeah, that's our I I am, I think I am gonna put this as our first uh down the rabbit hole episode. But so I don't know. There's us just talking out loud, and this was all in real time. We literally like we were about to start talking about it before this, and we're like, well, no, just turn on the fucking microphones and let's record it.

SPEAKER_02 46:00

Let's let I also want to point this out. Like, yes, absolutely. We were literally talking about this, and then it was like, well, we need to just fucking record this. This happens with us often, so if you want more of that as well, we're gonna have these down rabbit holes. We also have the Haunted Hush Puppies episodes on Parapecular. It's the literal same thing.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

It's literal like, hey, we're talking about something, hit record, and we just go. Yeah. This is not professional podcast.

SPEAKER_00 46:21

It's just our actual conversation.

SPEAKER_02 46:23

This is professional idiocy.

SPEAKER_00 46:25

Uh it's thinking in real time. You know, you're wit you're witnessing in real time our brains processing things.

SPEAKER_02 46:32

But our mental decline.

SPEAKER_00 46:34

The sure. Um, but the other thing that I want to say here, uh before we wrap things up, unless you have other things that you want to hit on. Um, I just really want to know, you know, everybody who is listening to this episode, and hopefully now this is gonna, you know, weasel its way into your brain and you're gonna start thinking about it.

SPEAKER_01 46:55

Let us weasel you.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

Like, let I want to know what you think too, you know, because these are the things like we were saying, you know, why we like doing things with like taking our our Patreon people to places is more brains are better than one, you know, and that's one of the good things you always say this when we do our um talks or you know, in front of live people, yeah, uh, that we do not live in an echo chamber. And I think that is one of the things that works so well uh with our two brains is we do not just like on every single thing. We don't get mad. And so I I think that that's really important is bringing in like other thoughts and ideas and theories and you know, what about this? What about that? Like, so if you have any of those, if you have thoughts, if you have ideas on this specifically on, you know, what the fuck could this be? Please send me a DM and let us know.

SPEAKER_02 47:45

We need like a WTF Discord or something. Yes, always reach out to us. We love talking about this stuff, we really do. And and sometimes we're like a stray dog. If you like feed us morsels, we're literally gonna come after you.

SPEAKER_00 47:55

Like especially Damon. I Damien, I have I have witnessed you send people like 15, 20 minute voice memos.

SPEAKER_02 48:01

I've actually made some of my b better friends through they'll reach out to me with a paranormal question and we get going through DMs. Boom. What I wanted to say on this is because something we brought up, and and I have to give a very special, there's a special place in my heart and in my life for our people that do this with us. So Eric, you've heard us mention his name. He went with us up there on the great American Para Road trip, right? And these folks, these people of ours, they they they join our Patreon. You got Eric, you got Wayne, big shout out, guys like Pierce and Mel and Kat and Denise and everyone that does that because not only are they like helping to keep this shit going through their support or whatever by by joining, dude. These people are the most beautiful people ever, they literally not only accept us, but they ride with us.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

We say, hey, we're sailing the Seas of Strange, you want to get on? And they fucking come.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

They're on ground zero with us, helping us do these experiments.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

They go into these places and they experiment with us. And then they're having their own experience.

SPEAKER_00 49:04

They're helping us fuck around and find out.

SPEAKER_02 49:05

Yes, and I it makes you've seen this. I don't get real public about this, but you've seen how emotional I get when they start having their own experiences away from.

SPEAKER_00 49:13

Yeah, Damien is a very emotional person.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

Yes, I am, but it it makes me feel like a parent. Or like they're like, you know, Wayne will send us a text back. There's a shadow walking around my fucking house. I'm like, oh, our big boy's growing up, you know. But I want to give a shout out to them because not only are they there experiencing things with us, they are always there for us, like no matter what. And they're they're they're there to join this adventure, they're there to to join the ride, they're there to sail with us through the seas of strange things.

SPEAKER_00 49:38

They're fucking people, we love them. They are we are in fact doing a uh para-giving potluck at at the parahouse.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

Are we doing the turkey?

SPEAKER_00 49:47

Yeah, we are. You're gonna have to pull all the the guts out of the carcass because I will puke.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

Well you will you at least make it edible? I will pull the guts out.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

I'll make it edible.

SPEAKER_02 49:57

I will always be there for you to pull the guts out. You just make everything pretty.

SPEAKER_00 50:00

I'll yeah, I'll make it pretty and edible. But anyway, so yeah, we're doing our uh our Patreon family or pear giving at at the pear house. Yeah. Um live. So so again, just to shout out if this is something that you enjoy and you want to.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

I promise I didn't mean it to be a plug, but yes, yes, yes. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 50:22

You're you're better than join our Patreon. It and specifically this is we're talking about our pair academy, because that is that's the tier where anytime, like, you know, obviously when we're doing investigations, I would love to bring like three fucking buses and just load all of you guys on.

SPEAKER_02 50:36

But we are not a cult.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

Uh but also, you know, the they have like limits for how many people can come and all those things. So yeah, typically we um it's pair academy, they're the ones who are gonna get access to the investigations and the you know, live in-person things with.

SPEAKER_02 50:53

Can I just say one thing it's funny that I just thought about is that idea that the pair academy people get to come with these investigations with us is a byproduct of of our buffoonery. Like when we started that tier, it was gonna be a bunch of like different videos and stuff, but we we were like, uh fuck, we don't want to do that. How about you just come with us?

SPEAKER_00 51:08

And and videos and stuff were we're talking about, so we uh essentially like paranormal school, you know, right? Which we do have those in there. That that kind of came about because actually when well, we we both talked about this, and various people that we've spoken to have also talked about this. That when you're new to paranormal investigating, there aren't really resources online to like help you get started, if you will. It's basically like watch the TV shows and I I guess do that. Although obviously, like the stuff that we're doing and the way that we think about things, you know, it's it's always a constant evolution. We're all always learning and growing.

SPEAKER_02 51:42

However, I think more of a trade school now, aren't we? Keep your hands dirty.

SPEAKER_00 51:45

Yeah. So we we do have a lot of those videos up there. So if that is something you're interested in and you want to learn more about it and the way that we think about things, whatever, it's up there. However, now, yeah, it's kind of at the point where like, cool, go watch those, whatever. But also like let's just get in there and fuck around and find out. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 52:02

Yeah, yeah. So join us.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

Join us. Um, and I'm gonna give Did you have anything else that you wanted to?

SPEAKER_02 52:10

No, just the I just really want to reiterate. Please reach out to us if you have thoughts on what we were saying here about these about this phenomenon not being recorded, etc. Because this happens.

SPEAKER_00 52:20

Yes. Um, and final, final ask. Um, well, something very exciting actually. I got this email yesterday. We were in the uh uh top set top ten for weekly podcasts on good pods, I think. Good pods or I just I yeah, I posted a screenshot on our Instagram, but so that was really exciting. So thank you. Thank you guys for listening. And on that note, if you have not already and you enjoy listening to our shenanigans, or if you don't. No, not if you don't. I'm sensitive. Please don't leave a bad review. Okay, it hurts my feelings.

SPEAKER_02 52:54

Yeah, it does, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 52:55

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.

SPEAKER_02 52:57

Go and leave us a review. There's only Apple Podcasts, you can do that.

SPEAKER_00 52:59

How leave us a review on Apple Podcasts because it does help us a lot. It helps when people are like searching for paranormal podcasts, whatever. It will allow us to actually show up in in searches and allow people to actually find us. So it really does help so much.

SPEAKER_02 53:14

And Spotify now lets you comment on episodes.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

Yeah, let's you comment on the episodes. So that's what I'm saying. Do that too.

SPEAKER_02 53:19

Yeah, but yeah, Apple is where you can go comment or leave a review. Please do that. We would really appreciate it. If you like this thing, just leave the review.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

Please, pretty please.

SPEAKER_02 53:27

Pretty please. Um nice things about me.

SPEAKER_00 53:29

But that is, I think, all of the thoughts I have in this present moment.

SPEAKER_02 53:35

It is because this is something that we could do a five-hour episode on and not still be done.

SPEAKER_00 53:39

But and to sum up, I don't know what the fuck is going on.

SPEAKER_02 53:43

Right. That should have we should always end that way. And to sum up, this is Damien and Nicole. We don't know what the fuck is going on.

SPEAKER_00 53:50

I mean, that's pr that's pretty much what all of this is, you know. I don't know. We'll find out when we're dead. So there's that. Um, but yeah, so send us messages, let us know what you think. Um, let us know if you have any thoughts, theories, ideas, comments.

SPEAKER_02 54:04

And we really hope you liked the episode because Octacon Hall is a very special place.

SPEAKER_00 54:07

Yeah. Uh it yeah, it is. I really want to go back there. We literally we went there, and I think I think we said this in the other episode. Yeah, where it's like, dude, like it's just such a magical place. I totally I think I would move there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:19

Little cliffhanger to end this if you liked that episode. If you like any of our episodes, oh boy, oh boy, Waverly Hills is coming up soon.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

Do we have something for you?

SPEAKER_02 54:28

God fucking damn.

SPEAKER_00 54:29

Yeah, well, I think that that was, I will say, that the experience that we had there, I think might be the coolest paranormal experience that I've ever had. Like it is, it is the type of experience that like this is that is why people do this. They they are searching their entire lives to have that experience.

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So uh right now it's a cliffhanger. What's the experience? We're gonna tell you all the time.

SPEAKER_00 54:55

So there you go. It was cool as fuck. Um but anyway, okay. Well, that's that.

SPEAKER_02 55:01

That's fucking that. We'll see you guys next time.

SPEAKER_00 55:03

Okay, bye.

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