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Two Chairs No Filter
Episode 3 Don't Blame Your Hair, Blame Your Products!
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This episode covers different hair products, how to use and when. A lot of times a product doesn't work due to "user error". We help you along in this episode with troubleshooting your daily or weekly habits.
Hi, and welcome to Two Chairs No Filter with Sarah Kate and Holly, where we bring you real life, real beauty, and unfiltered conversation.
SPEAKER_00Welcome back to Two Chairs. We are so happy to be back for our second episode. We are so happy for everyone who joined us last week. We were overwhelmed with the amount of people who listened. Thank you. And we were overwhelmed with the amount of positive comments from y'all. Thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Also, maybe if you could leave us reviews on wherever you listen to your podcast, that'd be great. We love share them with your friends, share them with um strangers. We don't care. Anybody, honestly. So today our topic is hair products. What to use, when to use it, how to use it, um, just kind of giving you a better feel for what you got, what you need, and making the best of that cabinet full of products that maybe you have used, or maybe you bought it with high hopes that you would use it and have not. So we're gonna give you a little bit of an overview of what to do with those said products. Um, this kind of this idea came to us actually uh just now to have this podcast on this. I went to a graduation party for one of my longtime clients. I've been cutting her hair since she was a little little girl, and she invited me to a graduation party this weekend, and of course, I have loved watching her grow up, so I was so excited to go and just hug her neck and whatever. So I was trying to think all week kind of what to get her. And I don't know a ton of 18-year-olds, but we have an 18-year-old in our salon who's also graduating. I thought maybe I should ask her what I should get, or maybe I should just get her a Target gift card. Of course, she could use that to decorate her, you know, dorm room, whatever. But then I just, I don't know, it didn't feel right. None of that really settled with me. So I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna make her a basket of products, like get her set up at school, get her new stuff, and just set her up for success as far as her hair goes.
SPEAKER_01And might I add, I never think about giving hair products. Sometimes I do because it's just our everyday world. But to someone outside of our business, that's a great gift.
SPEAKER_00I agree. I always think that people really love when you give them hair products.
SPEAKER_01Nice hair products.
SPEAKER_00Nice hair products for any kind of occasion, whether it's birthday or Christmas or whatever, or just like a stocking stuffer. I always think people are like, oh my gosh, I love this. I was I was wondering what I should use. I was dying to try this or whatever. Um, so I do think that's always a really great gift and always in good fashion. So um, so I made up this basket for Meredith and um, you know, got her one of the hair turban things so she can kind of microfiber dry her hair a little bit. Um, and I got her a couple shampoos from the salon. She's got blonde hair that we keep really light, and so um I got her a kind of blonde shampoo, but then also a daily shampoo and like conditioner to go with it. Um, I gave her my favorite heat protectant. I also gave her one of my two favorite dry shampoos because if you know me, you know I live by dry shampoo, but I only use two of them. And I got her some hair clips, some of my favorite hair clips. And I think that might have been it. Um, and then in her card, I just told her how to use everything. When do you use this? When do you use that? Um, how to use it, make sure you're only using this much, you know, whatever. So um she texted me this morning and said that she had used her new gifts, and she was so excited. She was like, best gift ever. So that's great. It's like, oh good, I nailed it.
SPEAKER_01That's great. That's so fun. She got a whole basket of new things to try and to play around, and even she has enough time to use them that if she needed bigger, larger sizes before she goes to college, right?
SPEAKER_00She's got time for that. So um I think there's a couple different ways that we can start this, Holly. Honestly, I think maybe we should start with kind of you chatting about the hair cycling and what that really means for our hair.
SPEAKER_01I think to start off, one of the biggest um or more popular comments we get in the salon is I wish you were at home with me to help me style my hair. Or why can't I get my hair to look like this when I'm at home? Um, aside from us doing hundreds of blow dries, thousands over our lifetime, um, and having the experience with different hair textures, I think it's how we apply the products and what products we select for the hair as to why we get the results we do. I mentioned hair cycling because switching up our products throughout the year is really key because at least where we live in the southeast, we get so much humidity this year. Um we get a lot of dryness in the winter for us. I mean, considering other parts of the world get much drier, but you have drier textures in the winter because of the having the heat on, and having the heat on dryer. So, like you might need something more moisturizing then, or something to give you a little bit more volume, or to help combat the um the static electricity electricity for sure during the winter months, but then you move into spring and fall, the mid-seasons, and that's a good mixture of heat and cold.
SPEAKER_00So you could do you could get away with more of a daily, just like a normal, balanced out, good for everybody, a daily shampoo and conditioner. Not saying that you have to use it daily, but just saying that it's a very balanced, kind of a neutral shampoo and conditioner.
SPEAKER_01One size fits all for everybody. And then you move into the summer months where we're outside more, we have more sunlight out, we go to the pool, we go to the beach, we vacation. So, you know, that's gonna call for a different product.
SPEAKER_00So, like in the summertime, like it's something that's always in rotation in our bathroom is the um a leave-in conditioner because we're at the pool so much, and uh we don't always maybe necessarily feel like washing our hair, which I know we chatted about that a little bit. Um, we've chatted about that before, with always you know, putting water in our or getting our hair wet before we get in the pool. So sometimes we um don't always abide by that. So uh a leave-in conditioner is always on rotation in our bathrooms through the summertime for my kids and myself. Um and I know Holly loves a good UV protectant to help keep your color.
SPEAKER_01So many of my clients, their color fades or goes has a tendency to go brassy. You know, you don't think about the chlorine in the regular tap water. Some clients have been talking about purchasing uh shower heads to help filter out that chlorine. Um, along with the sun, walking, playing tennis, um, golf, all of the above. And I know many of those sports where people wear visors, but really try to find a hat that's suitable to cover up that hair because it's gonna get lighter or brassier, or even your blondes, like it might pick up undertones from the beach water, the swimming pool.
SPEAKER_00Right, the swimming pool. Gosh, those little kids with their little green hair at the end of the summer. Yeah, especially those blonde little babies.
SPEAKER_01Plus, a lot of times, too, when you start to use a new shampoo or conditioner, it's like, oh my gosh, my hair feels amazing. And then I feel like, oh, okay, you use that for a few months, and then it's time to switch it up to something different because then guess what? You're gonna say the same thing. Oh my gosh, this shampoo and conditioner made my hair feel amazing. So, and along with styling products, so let's just start with um what to wash your hair with.
SPEAKER_00Okay, okay. Um, so Holly and I have completely different type of hair. We should start with that. Holly's is curlier and it's more um of a thicker texture than mine. Mine is like a baby fine, and I have approximately three hairs to make it.
SPEAKER_01But a lot of times you do wear hair extensions and then that calls for it.
SPEAKER_00So, what I usually use is a plumping kind of shampoo. I want a volumizing shampoo, a plumping shampoo, because I just want to make the hair that I have feel a little bit bigger. So that plumping shampoo is gonna kind of thicken the hair. So it's um it's gonna make my hair shaft feel bigger and thicker. Plumper. Plump it. It's gonna plump it up just like a lip plump, you know, for your lips. It makes them look full, makes them look thick. This is not some, like this is not I'm changing the texture of my hair. Like my hair is still my hair, it's just a product that's enhancing that hair shaft. And so this is gonna be a wash-to-wash thing. Like, this is not a lasting effect on this.
SPEAKER_01Think of um a thickening shampoo to give you girth, give it width and thickness, and think of volume shampoos as giving you height.
SPEAKER_00Height, yes. So I can do either of the two, but I generally go with a plumping because I want that hair to look bigger and thicker and fuller. Um, and then I go in with a conditioner that's in the same line, still in the plumping line, because it's not gonna be really heavy. So I don't want something that's gonna pull down my hair and make it, you know, look sat and long. Um, when I'm wearing extensions, I do um really, I don't do a whole lot of washing. I do one of our products that's a two-in-one situation. And do not hear two-in-one and think I'm using head and shoulders because I'm not. I'm not it's like a co-wash. It's a co-wash. So it's a co-wash. It's a condition, it feels conditioning, but it does clean all the time.
SPEAKER_01It's a gentle cleanser. I think of like a cream cleanser for the hair, but we're thinking, say, cream cleanser for your face to take your makeup off at night. It's that concept, but within a wash. But it also leaves the hair feeling amazing.
SPEAKER_00And my extensions always feel incredible. And any of my clients who wear extensions also feel the same way. So I also like that product though, if you have really curly coarse hair though, and you really want to get that moisture into your hair without um without washing it all the time, which I think a lot of people with curly hair, this is I'm I'm digressing for just a second, but I think a lot of times the curly hair folks have a lot of that frizz because they're missing the moisture. And so when they have really, really frizzy hair, a lot of times I offer this specific product to add into their routine so that they can get that moisture without and and a gentle cleanse so that they aren't stripping all their natural oils that make their curly hair curly and pretty. Um, so they aren't stripping that away. I agree. So, all that that was a long-winded um version. And then I follow it with um with a mousse to get the lift at the at the base. How do you apply your mousse? How do I apply my mousse? This is a funny story. Um, my best friend, I have used this mousse on her a bazillion times in the salon, and she was like, Why doesn't it look like this? And she's bought it. She has bought the mousse, she owns the moose, and it is in her bathroom, in her cabinet of hopes and dreams. And she she's like, Why doesn't mine look like this? And I finally said, How are you applying it? And she said, Well, I don't, I'm just putting it on there, you know, and and it was not very clear. And I said, Well, put it in your hand, about a golf ball size for as much hair as she has. And I said, and then flip your hair over and just kind of scrunch it in and get it up under there, under the hair and onto your scalp, some, and just scrunch it in, just kind of fluff up your hair with it. And she was like, Oh, oh no, that's definitely not how I was applying that. I said, Well, what were you doing? And she said, I was just kind of rubbing it on the top of my head down. She was like, I was just basting my hair. I said, basting? Oh no. So the key to that is the key to a volumizing mousse, which tons of women use that.
SPEAKER_01And did you know that Americans love their mousse? That mousse is not sold in other countries like it is today.
SPEAKER_00I believe it. I believe it. So, anyways, do not baste your mousse on your head. Go ahead and scrunch that bad boy in there to actually get underneath and get in there.
SPEAKER_01And start in the crown of your head. Um, because if you're gonna have a bad hair day, don't allow all that product to baste in the front of your head. Because then you're gonna be like, why didn't I get the volume that this mousse promised that I would give? So I always start in the crown and then whatever residues left on my hands work to the front. Agreed. Fring area, agreed, front hairline. So always start where you want the height. Most people want the height, right? In the round of the head.
SPEAKER_00And then I guess once I'm finished, I use um a little bit of an oil. Um, and I'm a little particular about oil, and I know oil is a little scary for really everyone. I know people are like, oh gosh, no, no, no. I'm I'm an oily person, I don't need to use any oil on my hair. I do think that it's good for a mid shaft ends kind of application. And I do feel like if you have a little bit of frizz, you can really like gently put it on just around, you know, the top of your hairline where you see those frizzy bits sticking up. I feel like you can gently put it on there without getting too out of hand and looking greasy.
SPEAKER_01So also, I'll use that on my scalp when it's dry in the winter. I'll use the oil hair oil because it's made of all clean, healthy high-end products, you know, ingredients within the oil. So I always use it mid-shaft ends. I always use it second day. And when my scalp looks a little dry as I'm blowing it dry, I just rub it into the scalp and it absorbs so wonderfully that I never feel oily.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think you definitely have to find the product that you like, the oil that you like, and that's appropriate for you.
SPEAKER_01Use it sparingly. I think most people go all in and think a little is good, a lot is better, and that's not the case.
SPEAKER_00I probably do one pump, maybe two if you have long, but they're really thick. It's a little pump. It's a little pump. And then when I do it, I I like rub it into my hands completely and um and even rub the back of my hands with it, almost like I'm washing my hands with it, and then I just kind of run my hands through the client's hair and through my own hair to just kind of feel as I'm going where I need to put it. Um, and then kind of the places that are extra dry, say the ends or whatever, then I kind of squeeze my hands on there and kind of squeeze the oil into their hair. I think that's a weird description that I'm giving, but anyways, I can visualize it, but I do it every day. So if you can't visualize it, you can let us know. And I can, I don't know, make a video for you or something.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we can make a video.
SPEAKER_00Oh no.
SPEAKER_01A little oil, just you start with a little and then gradually add more. And then I think you'll find your sweet spot where you what you need for your hair texture and type. A lot of the oils today, too, have heat protection, like the one that we use in the salon that's sold the most has heat protection up to 450. You can put it on your hair wet, or you can add it to dry hair, like Sarah was saying at the end. Because especially when you have extensions, those hair extensions don't get any of our natural oil, and that's why they need that.
SPEAKER_00So I always put the oil on those for sure. Um, I do think I forgot a couple of my products on the on my description. I do use like a hair growth spray. Me too. And I think that that is important for um for a lot of reasons, honestly. It's in the pumping line, so that's honestly, I'm like, that fits right in with what I'm going for. Um, but I think it's important for us as we get older and our hair starts to thin in different places. Cycles are shortens. Um, you know, and I think also it just in this day and time where so many people are taking GLP ones, whether it's a microdose or a regular dose or whatever, it does um, it can. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor, but it definitely can affect your hair growth.
SPEAKER_01Um I think it's the shock. Usually it takes 90 days for any change in our diet or lifestyle to show up in our hair. So just even like postpartum, most women start to shed at that three-month point, about the point that they're ready to go back to work, their hair shedding out. Um, along with any medication, surgeries, anything. Again, we're not doctors, but we see it behind the chair. It's about three months in that they start shedding. And after your body goes through such a drastic, you know, whether it's a weight loss or a huge change or hormonal shifts, it will make your hair shed, but typically it will come back. Right. You know, in some cases, we have hair follicles that are dormant, and some of those products that are to add to our scalp help the scalp its ability to reproduce. You know, if that follicle is still alive, uh, new hair can come through. Um, that's what we're talking about, and just making the hairs on our head feel more thick.
SPEAKER_00And truth be told, I even use that on my daughter. Um she's got really pretty hair, and it's not like it's falling out or but I just I don't know, I just figure maybe it'll help encourage the hair follicles to to grow. And if there are ones that are on there that are kind of dormant, I just go ahead and I always tell your story about the one.
SPEAKER_01So the product line that we carry in our in our salon um has two versions of this hair growth product that we're discussing. Um and there's one that's made for men and one that's made for women. It's the same formula, just two different scents. So when we got the line in in 2020, Sarah was out um due to health reasons, and she was getting her hair growing back post-chemo. So I was like, here, take this home and try it, please, so we can get some feedback. Well, I gave her the male version, and I tell this story every class I teach when I come up on that slide. So she took the product home and started using it on her little fine no curly hair. None. So bad that post-chemo hair was the worst. And your husband would, at the time, your then husband, was been at the time, would come to bed and say, What's that musky smell? You're like, that's my boyfriend Kevin.
SPEAKER_00And it did. It smelled very manly. Um, I'm now I have moved over to the female version because we know we have a little more product knowledge now. Six years down the line, we have a touch more product knowledge. I use the female version on myself and my daughter. But it still does work. So, and I still sing it praises in the salon and obviously on podcasts.
SPEAKER_01So, yes, I use it too. And the biggest thing I think that leads me into us as humans thinking our hair is gonna stay the same from the time we were young to older life. And I mean, I noticed through my 40s my front hairline has changed. Um, I've always worn bangs. My bangs don't do what they used to do, or well, it's just they don't have the thickness there to style the way they want to do it. Or they get a different growth pattern, or people get curly hair. Some people have wave that they never had before. So definitely we have to be open-minded to try new things and style our hair a little differently. I'm sure your stylist can assist you with any questions or concerns that you are having. But I never in my life thought that I'd be using a plumping product for hair growth on the front part of my hair or just a the top part. I never used to even be able to see a part in my hair. So the fact that I can see my hair part or my front hairline in my recession area where a lot of us women do have a tendency to thin first. So that's just a side note. Uh, another thing I'm gonna bring up because I'm guilty as charged as well. Have you taken a look at your hairbrushes lately?
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh. I that is a solid do as I say, not as I do. What do my hairbrushes at my own house look like, or what do my hairbrushes at this law? At home, trash.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I took a picture of mine because I said, well, this is gonna be a great example for what not to do. My brush looks tired. The bristles are all bent.
SPEAKER_00If your brush look like it has split ends. If your round brush has split ends, you should also get rid of it. Just like you should get a trim for your own split ends. Like 100%. It's time for a new brush if your hairbrush looks like it has split ends already. 100%.
SPEAKER_01And also, you want to keep in mind your hair is the weakest. It is when it's wet. So, what you need to do with wet hair is not use a styling brush on wet hair. You either comb your hair with a detangler or leave-in spray. With like a wide tooth comb. Wide tooth comb or use a wet brush. They make brushes specifically for wet hair that are more flexible. Whichever your preference is, definitely either use a wide tooth comb or a wet brush. Use the comb in the shower if you need to, but leave one in there and comb your conditioner through for detangling.
SPEAKER_00Um, there's just some Sometimes I even just use my fingers to comb through my hair as I start to blow dry my hair. I really don't even dry, I don't even brush it before I start drying usually. I just kind of apply the product, scrunch it all in, spray what I need to spray, and then start kind of finger combing with my hair, with my hands, and then get my hair drying until it's a good percentage of the way dry, and then I start with the round brush. Right, definitely. Because then you're getting just don't want to put that tension on your wet hair shaft. It really pulls and can really do a lot of damage. Especially if your brush has split in. Even if your brush is a good new brush.
SPEAKER_01So I would say take a good look at it, clean your brush maybe monthly. You know, just get this extra hair out of your hairbrush, take a good look to see how the bristles look. Also, with that being said, take a look at your hairdryer or your irons, either flat or curling irons, see how they're looking. Um, I had a I have it's common to see clients that have singed their hair in places with their hairdryer getting too hot, um, along with the styling heated airbrushes that people have been using. Right. Those easily are 450 degrees. Think about 450. Our oven turns on to a default 350. Yes. So you're putting 450 degrees on your hair. Right. That's a lot of heat.
SPEAKER_00A lot of heat. Typically hair textures that don't need that much heat. Are there hair textures that need that heat? Absolutely. Generally speaking, most hair textures do not need that much heat. And if you are putting that much heat on your hair, you absolutely have to be using a heat protectant. I generally tell my clients, if you can cook cookies at it, you need to be using a heat protectant. 100%. So you're cooking cookies at 350 at 375, if that's what your flat iron's on, you definitely need to be using a heat protectant.
SPEAKER_01And think of a heat protectant kind of like a Teflon coating around your hair. Typically, if you get it on your hair while your hair's wet, or some come in a spray form that you spray on and while you're drying, um definitely use it to protect because then it will keep the moisture sealed in, it will help protect against your color loss fading. Think about if you bought a sweater that was very, very vivid in fuchsia, and you put it in the clothes dryer tie every single day. Every day, every day. And then you say, Why is my sweater fall fading?
SPEAKER_00Right. Why is it fading? Why is it falling apart? Why does it look like it's threadbare already? Well, that's because we've been putting it to its test, you know. So if we want to keep our hair long and healthy or even short and healthy, we really have to use those products that are going to do that for you and gonna work for you instead of working against you.
SPEAKER_01And a lot of those heat products and styling products do have polymers in them, which are just a fancy word for um explaining, like, say um a styling aid that helps keep the memory of your style and how you styled your hair, whether you round brushed it into place, those polymers kind of remember that. So if you don't shampoo every day, your hair will kind of bounce back easier into the style as you blew it dry.
SPEAKER_00I like the heat protectants that have stuff in it that helps with the dry time too. Because a lot of them speed up the dry time, which I really, really love that. Um, I like a heat protectant that's gonna last until my next wash. Um, I don't I don't mind a spray in one because there have been times when I've used a spray in one and I'm spraying it on dry hair and then I'm doing my curls or whatever. Um, we use that a lot on location at um weddings for sure. So it's not that I mind it all the time, just sometimes on my own hair, since it is so fine and thin. Sometimes I feel like I maybe get too much on there.
SPEAKER_01Um a lot of the heat protectants are hydrophobic, which helps get rid of the moisture and it helps repel the um environmental moisture as well.
SPEAKER_00So it will help with the humidity, is what that environmental moisture would be.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yep, exactly. Um as far as other styling products, we could talk talk about like a mousse is gonna, like we've already covered, is gonna give you, you know, a good solid um volume. A little bit more of, I think, of like a 90s blowout. Somebody that wants that which is so in right now.
SPEAKER_00It's so in. I think it's really in with um that love story um show coming out on Netflix with Carolyn Bassett. I feel like her hair was just like so pretty. So pretty and bouncy and had those curled under ends and just gorgeous, and I feel like that's really in right now is those 90s blowouts. Um, and that mousse will definitely give you that without weighing it down and will really hold in that kind of style.
SPEAKER_01Um then there's volumizing sprays that are more of a hairspray or a gel. Something like that's gonna give you a more movable, um, buildable you know, volume. Somebody that wants their hair to blow around and just look carefree, I would air more towards that. There's thickening creams that help plump up the hair shaft. Um, many of them have different um additives like fibers in them to help make your hair look plumper and thicker. Um so in the volume category, and some people just like a good old gel, like a setting gel or something, um, or a glaze. That a glaze would be just a watered-down version of a gel. Um, then you have your beach products, you know, things that give you texture. Texturizing sprays and powders. Oh, we love a good volume powder. Oh, I love a good texture powder for sure. Yeah, to help give the plumpness, and again, those just reactivate with your fingers and just you can reactivate your style as the day goes on. That's good in the crown area where people get that splitting from you know their cowic or growth or even in the front.
SPEAKER_00It's good if you I use it a lot on my bangs. Like when I want them to stay down, but I want them to still look full. Um, and I want them to stay out of my face. So I kind of put that in because I can really put them where I want to put them, and then throughout the night I can kind of fluff them up so they still look voluminous. So I love a texture powder. Um, I and we use that so much um on location when we're doing braids because those like thick, full braids. So it's boho. Yes, the boho kind of styles. I use it all the time on those because it really makes you look like you got a whole lot more hair than you have without putting a whole bunch of extensions in there. So because not everybody is blessed with thick, thick, thick, thick hair that looks great in a braided style. Um, but pop on that texture powder and you can you too can look like you have a bunch of hair.
SPEAKER_01And then let's talk about like frizz control, a good you know, blow-dry cream, something to help keep those, keep the moisture sealed in and the humidity locked out. You know, you can use a smoothing cream on your natural curly hair. You can blow your hair out with one. Right.
SPEAKER_00Um and I always err towards um suggesting to my clients with curly hair to use like a even if they aren't wanting to straighten out their hair every day, but to use a smoothing shampoo and conditioner because it's gonna have those rich moisturizers in there to add more moisture to their hair. And I know I touched on it for a second with curly hair, but just that moisture is lacking in their hair, and that's where that frizz is coming from. And I think that's the biggest complaint about curl from curly hair clients is my hair is so frizzy, my hair is so frizzy. What can I do for this frizz? I think it's so messy and I look messy and I look un put together and unkempt. What can I do? And I always go towards a curl-specific shampoo and conditioner, which we do have in the line we carry, which I really love. I love it. And um, or and or the um a smoothing shampoo and conditioner, because that's still gonna have those rich, rich, rich conditioners. It's gonna have a moisturizing, really rich moisturizing shampoo, and the conditioner's gonna be nice and thick and have tons and tons of moisturizers in there. Um so even if you're gonna wear your hair curly all day long through the summer, still a smoothing shampoo and conditioner can be beneficial for you if you can't find a good curl-specific shampoo and conditioner.
SPEAKER_01Totally, because it's gonna help keep that cuticle layer of your hair filled in and moisturize, because really moisture attracts moisture. So the more moisture we have on our hair, the less our hair can absorb to cause the frizz in the environment.
SPEAKER_00So read that as the more hair you are, or the more moisture you already have on your hair, the less that it can get affected by the humidity that's going on out in our day-to-day lives. So which is a big problem for us in the South. It is gonna be very humid here very, very soon. Um, so you but you kind of have one one side or the other on that. So Holly is more of the when the humidity starts, she starts getting the frizz. When the humidity starts, my hair looks like I'm a literal drown rat.
SPEAKER_01I always ask what does a bad hair day look like to you? Because for me, it's frizz for you, it's flat.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes. So when the humidity starts, I'm like, why even bother doing my hair? Why bother curling it? I cannot, even as a professional, I have a hard time getting a style to stay in my hair once it's humid. That's why I just wear it in its natural state.
SPEAKER_01Right, right. Because I mean, I literally somebody said the other day, why your hair looks so different? I said, Well, I just shampooed it for one, and sec because it's the biggest the day or two after I shampoo. By the time I like it, it's dirty, and my scalp personally just gets itchy as my hair looks better. So I have to shampoo my hair because I can't stand scratching my scalp all day. And it's it's probably oil, it's dead skin cells because there is skin underneath all of this hair. So that's what we're trying to protect too, and that gets into other things. You know, you want to treat a healthy scalp, produces healthy hair. So whatever we can do on the outside to help, you know, promote healthy looking hair is what we should do, whether it's shine or thickness or less frizz.
SPEAKER_00A hair product that I think um, if you love it, you love it. If you hate it, you hate it. And I happen to love it, um, is dry shampoo. So I just want to have a little quick tutorial because there's a lot of people who are like, oh no, I can't use it. I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_01And then where my hair is fit that bad press a few years ago.
SPEAKER_00There's a lot of solid bad press. So don't hear me when I say, oh, use anything. They're all the same. They are not all the same. In all of the product lines we have ever had, and all of the product lines we have ever tried, there are two dry shampoos that I use. That is it. Like I will wash my hair if I'm out of either one of these dry shampoos. And I have so many bottles of them. There are multiple bottles under my cabinet right now, honestly. A basket of broken dreams. It's not my basket of broken dreams. They work. Um, so how I apply dry shampoo is I shake it up really well in the can because I like an aerosol one, which please don't come at me, environmental people.
SPEAKER_01But uh the company we actually happen to sell actually gives back to offset the CO2 from all the aerosol cans.
SPEAKER_00So we're okay. Uh you know, I'm doing my part here. So just call me Captain Planet, basically. Um, so I I shake it up really well, and then I just part my hair out very loosely in big chunks and spray right at the root. And I move my hand back and forth really quick and I'm spraying it, and I'm tu I'm doing it under, underneath, I'm doing it on the sides. I do it a lot around my hairline because that's where you know my moisturizer from the night is just kind of seeped its way into my hairline, and so that looks a little greasy. Um, I do it underneath my neck because, well, sometimes I have night sweats, so I'm sure no women can relate relate on that. Ugh, gross. Or from working out or whatever. So I do it all over my hair and then I leave it in for a few minutes, and then I brush it through, and then it looks great. If I feel like there's maybe a smidge too much in there, maybe I went a little overzealous with it, I plug in the hairdryer and I just blow out the excess.
SPEAKER_01Or you can just towel it out.
SPEAKER_00And you can towel it out. If you don't have a hairdryer candy, towel it out. No big deal.
SPEAKER_01So there's really no necessary there's no need per se to get one for dark hair or for light hair. If you just spray too much, it's just blow it out. It's just a little bit extra. Blow it out, style it in, towel it out, that's all you have to do. Right.
SPEAKER_00And so then I just kind of fluff up whatever I need. If I'm if I've had my hair curly, like with a curling iron, because I don't have any natural curl in my hair. If I'm doing that, I just freshen it up with uh whatever hot tool I'm using. So if I'm doing the 90s blowout, I you know get my round brush out and throw it in the rollers. Done. Um, or I use my curling iron, curl it up again, you know, comb that through, and then I'm done. So it really is a big time saver for me.
SPEAKER_01And um also a thickener for fine hair. It does thicken.
SPEAKER_00It makes me feel like I have a lot of hair when I don't have very much hair. So I'm a big fan. I've converted a lot of clients over the years to it, a lot of clients who are daily wash people who were like, I could never. Just I could never. I'm like, just try one day, just try every other day. And then they, you know, now all of a sudden they're I only wash my hair twice a week. Thank you so much, Sarah Kate. You give me so much time back. Great, perfect. I love that for you. It is about time. We're all so busy. And that's I think a lot of where it I mean, one, I got tired of styling my own hair because I was styling so many other people's hair.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's the truth.
SPEAKER_00I mean, that's the way I'm trying to do it. I didn't really want to style my own hair that much. So I and and then having extensions all the time, you don't want to wash those all the time. It's one, that's a big undertaking to dry those. And then two, they just don't need it, you know. So that's really where I started training my hair. Because I think once you start it, you really get your hair and your scalp trained to not need to be washed that much. So I really only wash my hair once a week. Um, but and I know that seems a little gross, and it's like, oh, well, her hair is just caked with dry shampoo. Sometimes it is true, true, true, true. But I will say I only wash my kids' hair once a week, also, and I've been doing that since they were little, little babies. And I have my son just now, as he's 10 and starting, starting to be very boy, am I like, okay, you need to probably wash yours once in the middle of the week, too. Um, but they don't have oily scalps, period. I don't use dry shampoo on them. They do not have oily scalps, like that is how their hair is trained, that is how their healthy scalp is trained. They don't have dry scalps in the winter. I mean, they have static in the winter, but they don't have flaky dry scalps in the winter. Um, and they don't have frizzy, crazy hair in the summer. So it is possible to train it for sure.
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SPEAKER_00And if you're a new mom, listen to me when I say this. Do not start with washing your hair, your kids' hair, every day. Because you'll be miserable. You can you too can be like me where you only wash it once a week.
SPEAKER_01So absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Um highly recommend.
SPEAKER_01I because when I was young and I like felt like I was grown and I was making real paychecks, I went all in and I said, Oh, I'm gonna get this skincare, this three-step skincare routine that was sold by a major, you know, cosmetic company. All of a sudden, at like 20, I got major acne. My dermatologist, I went, had to go to a dermatologist, had to get put on acne medicine. And at that time, he said, You are overcleansing your face. So basically, when you're shampooing your hair every single day, you're overcleansing your skin, your scalp. So, therefore, your scalp has to reproduce and go into overdrive to produce oil because we train our bodies how to adapt to what our environmental stresses are. So, by me overcleansing my face, cause me to get acne by overcleansing your hair with the frequency of washing, um, especially if you're using a harsher product with strong sulfates, you know, that have sulfates in them versus non-sulfates, um, those are cleansing agents that clear away clear away the oils, their natural oils. And the more suds is not good because we were trained, you know, I'm just thinking of children's shampoos. Thinking when you said that about like the baby shampoos or the shampoos made for children that have no tears. And I mean, I don't know if this is true, but I was told back in beauty school that that they had like numb numbing agents in the product to numb from the no tears. Oh bless. That sounds terrible. I don't take my word on that. That I could be an urban legend.
SPEAKER_00The the real reason might be perhaps. I think maybe by the time I was in beauty school, the maybe we got a little different version of it in which it's just a very different pH level. So our skin and hair lives at a 4.5 to 5.5 on the pH scale, okay? Um, and then your um, but the no more tears is a much higher one. So, um, and I don't know why, maybe it's like to be the same as like your tears, like the water tear, you know what I'm like your, I don't know, maybe it's supposed to be higher for that. Anyways, it's at a much higher pH level, I think. And so that's why it doesn't make you tear up. But that's also means it's too high for your skin and hair and nails and hair. It's gonna dry it out. It's gonna dry it, is the point. It's gonna dry it out. Um, so it may not make you cry, but it's gonna dry you out. So I'm talking to new moms, I don't know that we have any new moms who listen to us, but I have always used salon shampoo and conditioner on my kids. And anytime I have mom friends who say, Oh gosh, you know, so-and-so's hair is just doing this, that, and the other. I just don't know what to do with it. I this, I'm like, well, I hate to tell you this, but if you're using Panteen on her or using Tresme on her, or you're using any of the things that you got at Target, you're probably not helping the situation here. And I know I understand that, you know, raising kids is expensive. Living right now is expensive. I totally get that. Um, but I do think that there is such a huge difference in using a salon quality product, and that's gonna give you the great results that you need, and your kids need it just as much as your hair color needs it.
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SPEAKER_00Um, it's it it makes a difference. I know that it makes a difference.
SPEAKER_01So remember, over cleansing actually in the long run produces more oil, which makes you have to shampoo your hair more frequently. So, even if back at the beginning we talked about a product that was a co-wash, even if you are in the habit of having to get your head wet every time you get in the shower, then get a co-wash, something gentle that is a cleanser, or even curly hair girls for years has been they've just been getting their hair wet and then reapplying conditioner to their hair, rinsing it out, and then getting out of the shower and scrunching in a curl cream.
SPEAKER_00That is life-changing for a lot of um curly hair people. Yeah, like when you tell them that they don't have to wash their hair every time. Every time they're like, oh my gosh, I can just put conditioner in it. Yes, you can just put conditioner in it.
SPEAKER_01And then if you feel like you have to get your hair wet to tame the frizz or tame the curl, just get in the shower, wet your hair, put conditioner in, rinse it out, and then get out of the shower, towel dry, and put your curl cream or smoothing cream in and go.
SPEAKER_00And to be fair, I don't know that we have a whole lot of men that listen to us either, but the same can go for men. Because I feel like a lot of men just feel like, oh, I have to get in the shower and I have to wash my hair. And then, but then they take two showers a day and they're washing their hair twice a day. Which I mean, congratulations, you have short hair, it doesn't make that much of a difference. But still, you don't need to. But it can make a difference. I mean, it can definitely dry their scalp out, and I think you see a lot of guys with dandruff and dry scalp because of that.
SPEAKER_01Yes, or that saying, yes, you know, or eczema, psoriasis, all of the above, because Nick has psoriasis and he gets patches in the winter on his scalp, which I mean, if you get a dry skin patch and you have hair growing underneath it, right? I mean, that's gonna affect your hair growth.
SPEAKER_00Right. So, yes, guys too can just get in there and wet their hair. That's it. You don't have to do anything, you could put some good. Conditioner in there if you feel like it. You don't have to if you don't, but you don't have to wash your hair every time.
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SPEAKER_00Just wash your hair, reshape it, call it a day. Right. So that and that goes for men or women.
SPEAKER_01So right. Now, as far as we touched a little bit on curly hair girls, and I mean they make smoothing creams, which you can still use on your hair for um, you know, clean your oils or wearing your natural. Just apply it, the cream, and just shape it into space, you know, just twirl your curls or um mold your hair into place, or you can use a curl cream. Some curl creams have hold factors in them with a little bit of hold. Some don't. Some basically just give you the moisturizer that a smoothing cream is gonna do. Um, they also make sprays, you know, to scrunch into your hair. And if you blow dry your hair, you could use a diffuser, any of the above um products that you prefer. Um, I think the main thing is keeping those curls moist and um not overdry to frizz. Now, what's your favorite go-to styling product for men?
SPEAKER_00Oh, um so shampoo and conditioner-wise, I love a shampoo that has like a minty something in there. Shampoo or conditioner, I don't care which one has it. Um, because I like I do like using a shampoo and conditioner on a man, even though they have short hair, generally speaking. I do like using both on them. Um, but I like one that has a little bit of a tingle in there, some sort of menti, menthol, peppermint. I think it's invigorating, and I think it does just kind of like wake you up and um even just like cleanses the scalp, but also like opens your sinuses up, just like fresh start to the day. I don't know. I really like that on um on any of our men's uh line that we've used that I like when they have a menthol kind of um situation. And then for styling, I cannot say that I'm a big gel person. I I think you use gel a lot more than I do, Holly. I really don't use gel on a whole lot of men's clients. I generally tend to go with a light to medium hold pomade. I like it to be a little sticky, I don't like it to be too shiny. Um, but I feel like that can tame any number of things. You know, you got that wild calic, pop a little of this pomade on there, call it a day. You know, you want to have that volume in the front, great. Pop that pomade up there. Um, I but I do think sometimes we use it a little bit wrong. So I like to scoop it out into my hand. I use a very little bit amount because nickel size. Uh not more than a nickel. I would say probably a dime max.
SPEAKER_01I go, I go a little bit more.
SPEAKER_00You're a little heavy-handed made than me. Okay, that's okay. That's all right. That's all right. I am a little lighter handed than that.
SPEAKER_01Um, and some you hold some you put in and you just like work the hair, and once you get it worked, it sets. Yes. Some do give you movability, you know.
SPEAKER_00I can't say I like a whole lot of movability. I kind of like it to be where it is. So I pop it into my hand and then I rub it in my hands and get it nice and warm. So then I feel like it goes on better. Um, so I and then I kind of just like rake it through the hair and with my fingers and get the hair where I want it to, and then I just kind of leave it.
SPEAKER_01And then use the same product till the day they die. Yeah, if they find something that works. I even had one of my male clients say that the product that he loved, the paste he liked or styling um Paul made, they stopped making. He found a case of it on eBay or Amazon.
SPEAKER_00He made as much as he possibly could for that, didn't he?
SPEAKER_01And he ordered the whole freaking case. I bet he did.
SPEAKER_00I bet he did. I, as a professional, have had my dad on a couple different ones over the years. Well, there is one that he likes, and I have moved to different lines since then, and he's like, no, no, I'm good. I'm going back. No, no, I'll go find this wherever else I can find it. I'm like, hard sale is a man.
SPEAKER_01Cool. Okay, I used to think the hardest sale were curly hair girls because curly curly can know what they are. They know what they do.
SPEAKER_00If you have your product that you like for curly hair, that is it, and you will die on that hill. And men are the same way though. Men are the same way. Because honestly, a girl might give you, like, okay, all right, I'll try this. They're still gonna go back. A man's I mean, we'll try it.
SPEAKER_01The only thing that my husband will try differently is in the shampoo line. Like any shampoo I bring home, he may try.
SPEAKER_00Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01All right, that's fair. But styling.
SPEAKER_00But if you care, his hair is half an inch long.
SPEAKER_01It's that doesn't matter. It's that. Like that's that's being generous at half an inch, but he loves what he loves for styling products, and that's it. But during the week he doesn't, he still thinks he's of the area. He thinks he can train his hair. What's he training? Long hair now on top. So he thinks long hair now. Yeah, it's a half inch instead of a corner on top. So he thinks he can train his hair to like look messy. Okay. Straight eyes. Straight as a board. Feathers. I can't wait to see this. Yeah, so but he will not change styling products. We have a whole array, and I mean we sell products, but I don't know where he gets his.
SPEAKER_00Or there's the men who will not use a styling product. Like all of a sudden you've told them, like, you are no longer a man. We're taking your man card. Yeah. And you're like, why bother? Just put the product in your hair. That's it. You like the way you look when you leave here, put the product in the hair.
SPEAKER_01What is the problem? I sold I sent my brother for a birthday gift, the thick again.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The the the spray. The spray.
SPEAKER_01The thick spray. The thick spray for men. And he messaged me like a year later. This stuff actually works. I said, Are you just now getting around to using it? I'm like, yeah, it works if you use it.
SPEAKER_00I don't think that I ever sent it to my brother, although I probably could. Yeah. No offense. I love you so much.
SPEAKER_01Um, also, just real quick, the on most products that are sold, you will see on the back of a product like a cap. It will look like a cap open, a lid opening, and then it will say underneath how many months that product should be used before the quality starts to shift. I get it really sad when they say 12 months. Yeah, some say 12 months, some say 16 months. Sometimes 24. 24. And then sometimes there's like six months products. I'm like, no, no, that's not nice. Yeah. So underneath, if if you really honestly can't remember when you bought the product, it's probably too old to be really effective, truthfully. And those products really need to be at a stable room temperature for the most part to keep that longevity.
SPEAKER_00Sitting in your baking car all day long and then pulling it out and putting it in your cold house and then back and forth, back and forth. That's true.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So you really want to kind of keep an eye on do they actually expire?
SPEAKER_00No, but I mean I don't think it's gonna turn your hair green or anything, but it's definitely not gonna work like you want it to work, is the point. So the effectiveness I think goes down.
SPEAKER_01So your homework this week.
SPEAKER_00Check your products and make sure none of them are too expired. And you go find that bin. Find that bin, find your basket.
SPEAKER_01Your basket of broken dreams, all those products that you were hoping to buy once and they were gonna change your life or change your hair. Um, if it's not working, why keep the clutter underneath there? Absolutely. Absolutely part ways with it, just say, hey, this is the old me, old version of me, old version of Holly.
SPEAKER_00And maybe we've given you some ideas. Maybe if you're, you know, basket of uh yeah, go well, take your hair of your hairbrushes for Pete's sake. And your hair dryers. And your hair dryer, gosh. Um, but you know, maybe it's also inspired you to look under your cabinet and see, like, oh, I did buy that mousse and I really hated it. Maybe I should try applying it this way, you know. Um, or oh, I'm still using this heavy, heavy conditioner um from winter and let me try something a little bit lighter because it's so hot and humid out. I don't need this heavy conditioner right now. Um, so maybe look through your basket of um broken dreams and see if there's anything that you want to retry after listening to this podcast, and maybe that'll give you some, you know, new life. Have a little have a little girl's time and see how it works. A product squash. That would be so fun, right? Well, maybe it's only fun with us. I don't know. Does everybody else have a bunch of stuff under their cabinets? I don't know. It wouldn't be very fun with us because we have it, it's all like barely, there's barely any left. We have like one wash left in five things of shampoo. That's what I have at home. I have the replay. It wouldn't be very fun with us. We have to do it with friends who actually don't use their product very much.
SPEAKER_01I think I'd rather do a skin skin.
SPEAKER_00Oh gosh, yeah, that would be fun too.
SPEAKER_01But we hope we inspired you this week with um how to use different products and um taking a look at the tools and that you do have in your arsenal. That's right. Or in your drawers, deep dark cabinets, baskets.
SPEAKER_00But thanks for joining us on two chairs, no filter. We'll catch you next week. Bye.