Episode 4 Hair Myths Debunked!

In this episode we help uncover some beliefs that maybe a bit outdated. Help give guidance towards getting your hair to look the way you want it to look at home.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hi, and welcome to Two Chairs No Filter with Sarah Kate and Holly, where we bring you real life, real beauty, and unfiltered conversation. Hi there. Welcome back to Two Chairs No Filter with Holly and Sarah Kate. We're coming to you today on a Monday in May, and it is sunny outside. It's the perfect weather. And we're gonna talk to you today about hair myths. There's so many myths that I think clients that visit a hair salon have, whether they think that their stylist is telling them a story, or whether it's an old tale from long ago. Grandma told them that this and mom told them that. But we're gonna help you today, kind of. Or TikTok told them. Or TikTok or like my one client.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Oh no. I have one sweet, sweet client, and she's got really thin, fine hair. And she came into me one day and she was like, I saw this TikTok that said I needed to um cleanse my hair with apple cider vinegar. And mind you, she has like super blonde highlighted hair, like super long. I'm begging her to cut it every single time she's in my chair. It's dry already. Like she is not an oily person. And she did an apple cider vinegar bath on her hair. And I go, Oh, how was that? And she said, It was terrible. One, it smelled, and I was like, Well, duh. And two, a salad. She smelled like a salad for a while. Couldn't get that smell out of her hair for a while. Her husband was none too happy with that. And she goes, and it was so drying. My hair was like, I couldn't even get a brush through it for ages. And I was like, Yeah, I bet. I was like, why did you do that? She goes, I don't know. I just thought maybe I need to like remove product buildup, it said. I'm like, you don't even use that many products to build up. Let's just start there. You don't even use that many products to have buildup on your hair. You have the thinnest, finest hair. You wash it so frequently. You don't have buildup on your hair, darling. She doesn't have well water, does she?

SPEAKER_02 2:18

No. Look up for me real quick on your phone the pH. Of well water? No, the pH of apple cider vinegar. Oh, oh, whoa! Well, like we've said before, little do average clients that sit in our chair know that we have a science portion of our learning in beauty school. We know the pH of things. Yes, we know um several different it covers biology, chemistry, different parts of science that we have to know in order to do hair.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

Okay, so like we said in our last episode, if you haven't listened to it, you should definitely listen to it so good. Um, so your scalp and your hair sit around a 4.5 to 5.5 on the pH scale. Apple cider vinegar is a two to a three. So it doesn't seem a ton less, but it's that's still really a that's a big that's a big jump in in acidity, in acidity. So uh it can according to this sweet chat GPT, it says it can help smooth the hair cuticle and add shine when diluted. Very big when diluted.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

So that's like diluting with water prior to rinsing. Right. So I guess that's where they get the shine because it would seal and close that cuticle layer.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

I guess, but what if you don't have a whole bunch of moisture in your hair to start with? What's it gonna seal in? Nothing. Nothing. I don't know. Anyways, it's a terrible idea. She got it on TikTok and I was like, well, please don't ever do that again. She's like, it took me days to get it back to a normal feel, and it still feels like hay. And I said, I bet. Possibly, maybe, shoot me a text before you decide to do one of those crazy TikTok things again, okay?

SPEAKER_02 4:04

Okay, here's one then. Look up mayonnaise. Look at mayonnaise. I had somebody else telling me that they were putting a mayonnaise conditioner. What? Like literally out of the jar fridge. I make chicken salad with that or tuna salad with that.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Okay, I mean, not not terrible. It's still acidic, but less intense than apple cider vinegar. It's like uh 3.6 to 4. So we're getting closer to hair and skin, but also I just think about how how are you getting that out? Because that's really, really, really oily and thick. So what are you doing to cleanse your hair after that? Are you using a a um you know a detox shampoo? And then you're defeating the purpose, right? I mean that's defeating the purpose. If you have to go in with a really actually stripping cleansing shampoo, why bother with the mayonnaise?

SPEAKER_02 5:02

You know, the good thing about the one, just touching on the cleansing shampoo, the one that we have is just it's high in alpha hydroxy acid. So it all of those AHAs help get the product or mineral buildup off the hair, but it doesn't disrupt oils, it doesn't disrupt your oils or your pH of your skin. You're not having to go to your kitchen to utilize products out of the kitchen that you would make salad dressing with. Let's just keep it real. Like I mean, mayo or apple cider vinegar, you could make salad dressing. 100%. So step away from the kitchen. What about an oil treatment? Like, clients have you to come in and told me they've used like coconut oil and olive oil from their kitchen. Again, these products are great for making salad, but not when it comes to doing hair. Or cooking with, but like cooking.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

You know what? Somebody said to me one time, and I I don't know the validity of this, but it was like using coconut oil on your hair, you cook with it, and like, but what happens when you put your flat iron on that hair later? Like, are you just cooking your hair? I just think of bacon in a frying pan.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Are you cooking bacon? Right. What are why why do we need to use that? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know either. I will say though, like, if I'm cooking in the kitchen and I have a little bit of extra coconut oil, I will rub that in my hands real quick. Yeah, because it's a great moisturizer. It's a great moisturizer, and I think that's where it all stems from, right? It's a great moisturizer. I need moisture in my hair, let me moisturize my hair.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

And my hands are so parched from all that we do all the time. They look a hundred years old.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

I know. That's the way you can tell our age really quick. Really maybe not by our face, but by our hands. I'm gonna say not by our face, but nobody come at us and tell us differently.

SPEAKER_02 6:51

I keep doing hair all week, and then with the warmer temperatures, we're doing, I don't know, where my love for plants and planning has come into play. I guess it just ha gradually happens naturally.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

We just are getting old, and now we're taking up the the grandma. It's like it's called grandma core, I think, or nonacore. I think I think there's little there's little names for it now on TikTok where we're just like embracing grandma lifestyle, you know, and activities and hobbies, grandma. Hobbies, yes, grandma hobbies. So our grandma hobbies are plants, plants, birds, birds, birds are other solidly birds.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Oh, by the way, while I was outside yesterday beating up on my hands even more, I was pressure washing my furniture and my door trying first time ever. And the mama bird, I loved it, it's very sad. So sweet.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 7:48

But the mama bird that loved um a bird's made a bird's nest in my front door wreath and had fishing. She abandoned the babies. So literally, I watched to make sure that she didn't come back for the nest or to keep after. Um do they hatch?

SPEAKER_00 8:06

The eggs or abandoned? Do you think they're dead in there? They like still birth?

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Yes. Oh no. They are. And and all of you animal lovers out there, I love animals and I have grown very fondly of birds, but I let it sit and watched it to make sure that the mama bird and the dad bird were not in the vicinity. Um they never came back. Oh it must have been the in and out. Or Chloe, our dog, um, again, she likes to claw the blinds when she sees things. So I've had to raise the blinds up. And my son brought up a good point. Maybe the bird didn't know that the glass was there. Because you know how sometimes on high rises they have problems with birds flying into them.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

Oh, and maybe Chloe just like scared the mess out of her, and she was like, Well, I gotta go somewhere else. And she just left them. Oh, that's so sad.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

Anyway, we digress.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

Sorry, that's our grandma core.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

Grandma grandma activities or planting. So that doesn't help our hands, so therefore, I don't blame you for rubbing the coconut oil. But possibly don't rub it on your hair. So, for myth number one, please don't use old-fashioned kitchen tapes, condiments, salad making supplies on your hair. Yes, there is a better answer.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

There are better answers. There are plenty of products that you can absolutely talk with your stylist about as to what is a better alternative for what your needs are.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

Yeah. So there are definitely conditioning products that you can use for at home. You can use a mask. A mask would be good for a weekly treatment. Use it in your hair, leave it in five to ten minutes. That's gonna give you a deeper penetration of repair, whether you need strength or moisture. Um, think of a daily conditioner or rinse, or the one that you pair with your shampoo as just being like a quick fix, band-aid. Two to three minutes. Always leave your conditioner on for two to three minutes if you can. Um general average people shampoo in the shower. So after you shampoo, I would bring as much water or just press as much water out of your hair as possible. Work your conditioner in, do the remainder of your shower while that conditioner sits on your hair, then rinse it out. I think the key to not feeling like your hair is weighted down is a good rinse.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

I have never met anybody who hates a conditioner more than an old lady who hates a cream rinse. If she's calling it a cream rinse, I already know she doesn't want it. Already. I already know she doesn't want it. If she is calling it a cream rinse, she's like, please don't use that cream, and this is in the South, so I just have to tell you, maybe this is not in the No, it's the North too.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

My mom says that her hairstylist sneaks that conditioner on her every time. Sneaks it on her. My mom has a total of maybe, I'm being generous here, two inches of hair on the top of her head, and she wears it very short on the sides. Because another old school hair myth is once you hit 35, you need short hair. 35's the cutoff. I I disagree. I disagree. You finish with your cream rinse, and I'll disagree on that. Oh, so every time she goes and gets her hair cut, she goes, I know she snuck that cream rinse on my hair. Like, really, mom, what's it gonna do? I just one good thing about getting older is you you're not gonna change people's opinion on products, but their mindset around cream rinse, our our conditioners have come a long way. Back then, it might have been the consistency of mayonnaise.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

I'm just saying maybe why they want to use mayonnaise now. Just saying.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

I'm old enough that I remember them selling VO5 hair oil. Oils. The hot oil and they would show you like putting it in a boiling pot of water. And then and then put it on your head. Yeah, so I have had clients ask for a hot oil treatment.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

I have to, actually. I have two.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

And I think it's still sold. I think it is still sold. I have not confirmed that in a drugstore. Maybe other people can confirm that. I don't know. But I do feel like it's not discontinued. I was like, I feel like you can probably find find an Alberto VO5 hot oil. Somewhere.

unknown 12:41

Somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 12:44

Probably somewhere. I'm not recommending it. Take a look. I'm not recommending it. Um, along with that, just like leave-in treatments, even they make night serums for your hair. Yes. We have one that has hyaluronic acid, which is basically a super moisturizer, and you can put it on your hair dry and go to sleep, wake up, shampoo your hair, or even some of us with coarser hair, you can just leave it on.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

Yeah. That's it. I'm I have not tried that yet. I should sneak some and try it.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

I've not tried it yet, but I I do think that it that should be on my list.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Um, because I think it would be weightless and I would really like it. But the the old ladies crack me up when they lay back in that bowl and then they're like, no, I don't like that cream rinse. Don't use that cream rinse on me. And I have I'm thinking, girl, I already knew you didn't want a cream rinse. I already knew. You didn't have to tell me. But but maybe it stems from like back, because I mean, you know, these women are women who have they don't even own shampoo and conditioner at their own house. My grandma and Gigi never even owned shampoo and conditioner because she got her hair done every week, right? So, like, maybe it was too heavy and they couldn't get a whole week out of their style. And there wasn't, there wasn't gonna be the dry shampoo that they could use to freshen it up. So they really didn't want that cream rinse weighing their hair down all week long.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

I don't think that they had access to a home handheld hair dryer.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

That's also true. Yeah, in my GG's a day and age for sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

I think that they really had to roll their hair on rollers, velcro, like even those little brush rollers, they some of them had hooded dryers, some of them went to sleep. Like, think about that that movie Grease. All of those, they were teenagers looking like 35-year-old women. That's so true though. That's so true. All of them teenagers, that's so true, fixed hair, looking like they had a shampoo set. Because they did have a shampoo set. Well, that was beauty school, shampoo set, shampoo set. Yes, magnetic rollers, pin the curls, dryer 45 minutes an hour out. There you go. Brush that hair out, you got it for a week.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

Yeah. So, anyways, they don't want a cream rinse, but I just feel like it's come a long way. I feel like I feel like we're leaps and bounds beyond that. So, like, there is a good cream rinse or conditioner for everybody.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

And we covered in the last episode, you were talking about that with your fine hair. Yeah. And about like using the plumping or using a volume product. And you know, a lot of them have ingredients that actually help strengthen to create more structure in your hair to style it. So and give you moisture. You do need moisture because fine hair people get static in the winter.

SPEAKER_00 15:33

And I think that really does help with having the condition in your hair when winter rolls around and it starts getting static. It does help to have some conditioner, some oil, something in there for sure. Of some sort. Okay, so that's second hair myth debunked. Use a conditioner in your hair. Yes. Made for hair.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

Not made for salad.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Made for hair, not for salad. Um, I have to say, I was this is our next one, and it's using a heat protectant. I really was so bad about this for so much of my life. Like, I really it took me a really long time to find one that I really, really liked. And now I really, really like it, and I can't think about not using I'm thinking, oh my gosh, I was just burning my hair over and over and over again.

SPEAKER_02 16:24

I think the ones I like feel like you don't have any.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

I don't even feel it. Yes. I don't even feel it.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

And I use it like Parker's primer. It is. You gotta think about a heat protectant as a primer for your skin. That's what it is. I just had a light bulb moment. Absolutely. Because I put it on everybody, every haircut, I use heated defense and it dries their hair faster because it's helped repels the moisture as I'm cutting their hair. It makes their hair more combable. And then therefore, when I put the styling product and blow it dry, it's already evaporating some of the water. I'm obsessed with that one.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Um, I use that on myself and I use that on parks, and I don't even use a lot of heat on her, but I do, you know. I mean, I dry her hair, I blow dry her hair. So, but I use that on her. Um, and I love it. I just really, really like it. And I recommend it for literally everyone.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

Everyone.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Because it really is so all person and so easy, and it stays on until you wash it the next time. Yeah, you don't use it. So you have to keep reapplying it, you know, which I love that it's so easy and so effortless, um, but so important. I do like those little um, and I have never done this before, but um those little experiments that I've seen on Instagram or whatever, reels, whatever, with hairstylists putting different um heat protectants on like a piece of bread and then toasting it.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

I think it's brilliant.

SPEAKER_00 17:42

I like it's such a great visual because you are thinking, oh my gosh, look at that white toast that just went in there and this this side came out toasty and this side did not. But I mean, it's a really smart way to show exactly what a heat protectant can do for your hair. Um, so anyways, it protects your color too. It does protect your color because you can definitely tell those times when um, or those clients that don't use a heat protectant, their color it always looks lighter on those ends, mid shaft ends, than it does. And they're like, I don't understand how. And it's like, well, if you were using any sort of healthy stuff on there, it's would not be the case, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:19

Okay, I'm gonna tell you a story. And it's rather funny. Who's it about? This this god rest her soul, she has passed on, but she's a feisty thing, older lady, would classify probably in GG's age bracket. Yeah, all right, and I literally I have never burnt someone's hair, but it disintegrated on her hair was a snow white, baby fine. She had a full head of hair, density-wise, she had a full head of hair, but fine, like think about cotton candy fine. Uh-huh. And think about how cotton candy just disappears on your tongue. That's what her hair did on my curling iron. Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

You have product on?

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Yeah. I was using, I was using the old 22. Yeah. You knew I knew I'm what you're using. So I didn't realize that Gigi's iron, I had a curling iron like Gigi's iron back then. Too tiny, like quarter of an inch barrel. Pinky. Pinky. Like your diameter of your pinky. And I was doing a blow-dry set, but with a curling iron set, not roller set. And I put that iron on. I, if you you don't know me, and I keep it together pretty good, but I'm pretty ADHD, so I have to pay attention to common things, but I'll pay attention to the little details and something. The big picture, nope. The little details. Well, uh, the big detail that I overlooked was that the iron was set to 450. And I feel like that heat gets hotter with that clamp down, and when it's sitting in one of our metal rings, you know, the little holder, the curling iron clip holder. I put that first curl on and her hair went like cotton candy. No, I was in the front. Oh no. First curl, fine front of her. What did you do? She goes, you didn't just burn my hair off, did you?

SPEAKER_00 20:43

The moment of truth, Holly, what did you say?

SPEAKER_02 20:45

I was like, of course I didn't. I was like, of course I didn't do that. Oh my gosh, I'm about time. Could you cover it up? Um, barely. I must have. You know what I used was one of those little, you know, the um teasing comb that we have in our bridal bag that has the metal lift, like the pick lift, and then the little teeth. I use that on her always because the teeth that have the jaggered lengths help tease the hair, especially fine hair like hers. Those are my favorite teasing combs, by the way, those old school ones with the pick on the end.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

I love it.

SPEAKER_02 21:24

I love a good pick.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Same.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

I love a less. I also do. I love a good pick for detangling long hair. I also do. I don't even know if they make them anymore. Well, we have got that one. We better never lose that one. Yeah, so God rest her soul, Miss Dottie. I really did burn her hair like into shreds. And I covered it up, and I guess it's not our mistake, it's the comeback or how we react to the mistake because we're all human and we all make mistakes. But did she ever come to you again? Of course she did. Oh, she kept coming back to me. She trusted. How? How? How? I don't know. You have to have a redeeming quality of sorts. Yeah. Like if you have something, we all have faults and we all have screw-ups, but it's our comeback.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

Came right back from that one, you know. Fake it till you make it on that one. Love that. Sorry, that's that's to wrap up the hair key protection. Need it. Um, okay. What do you feel about at-home coloring? Where are you at on that, Holly? Where do you fall?

SPEAKER_02 22:33

Well, let's just like start from a science perspective here. The reason they can sell a hair color product over the market over the counter, the strength of it is going to be like a non-prescription medication, right? So it's gonna be very user-friendly. Some people may be able to get away with an at-home hair color because they have finer textures, they have hair that is easier to color. Um, definitely don't recommend using it to try to get blonde because most people get lifted a couple, you know, one to two levels of lift, which in a consumer world would be um, you know, a shade or two lighter.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Um but I always feel like it doesn't end up the way you want it to, you know? And I just feel like it makes more hassle than it was worth. Like your eight dollar box of hair color. Is it even eight dollars? I don't know. I never bought a deal. I don't know. But you're gonna have to be a little bit more than a little bit. I don't do 20. Who knows? I never even bought a box. I have no idea. I have no idea. I have no idea. But what are you gonna have to do to fix that at the salon once it comes out and it's not what you pictured? You know, that's hundreds of dollars. You might as well have just done it with a professional in the first place, yeah, for sure, and not gone through the trauma of it. Because I mean, the fact of the matter is it's not gonna be the healthiest hair color, it's gonna be drying. Yes, it's not gonna have all the conditioners that a salon quality has, even if it's you know, say a L'Oreal over-the-counter and the salon up the street from you uses L'Oreal products. L'Oreal Professional and L'Oreal over-the-counter consumer totally different things, you know. The Dyson has a professional hairdryer and a consumer hairdryer, they are totally different things. So thinking that one is the other is not gonna do you any favors.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

No, for sure. And another thing is application, getting a proper application. I mean, the majority of our job, we're given the chemical to use, but it's in which the way we apply it, and we've been trained to apply it is the reason why we get the results we get.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

I think a lot of times, you know, you just think, oh, I gotta color my hair, so you're coloring it, you know, root to ends. Well, then the ends are all of a sudden super dark and your roots are still light. Well, that's because you aren't supposed to be pulling that hair color all the way through. Exactly. You know, you're just supposed to be doing the new growth part, but they don't know that. Or they chose a different box color because they didn't have the one they used to use last time. So they're like, oh, I'll just put it over the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

And so it just is really I just don't, you aren't doing a whole lot of favors for yourself, I don't think, when you go the and just buying another thing is uh tint does not remove tint. So by applying a box hair color, light blonde, but last month you might have used medium blonde, yeah, it's not going to you're gonna see that banding of different colors because it's not gonna make your already medium blonde hair lighter. Yeah, totally not going to, and you'll you'll be lucky to get 50% great coverage, and I think that you know, I mean, at least when products product lines change for us, we get a little bit of a heads up in it.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

We're like, oh, they're changing their color line up. So heads up, color some of the tints may be a little different tinted. They do not do that for you in the grocery store aisles. No, they don't so you could buy the same box every four weeks for 10 years, and then all of a sudden you bought that same exact box and it is not the same color. They do not tell you, oh yeah, we switched manufacturers and it's different now. So all of a sudden, your little, you know, ashy blonde hair is dark brown or not the color that you thought it was gonna be. Exactly. So I think just take that stuff into consideration.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

Um technology of the and the ingredients, the color line that we use has there's a really long chemical that a lot of people that have sensitivity to hair color, but we're just gonna shorten it to PPD, PPD. That's a chemical that most that most permanent hair color does have in it. Right. And a lot of people are really allergic to it. So I imagine some of that over the counter, even if it says ammonia free. Um, ammonia is only responsible for opening the cuticle layer of the hair to allow the molecular color molecules to get into the cortex layer of the hair to actually do a change of the hair color. So, really, ammonia is responsible for color fadage too, honestly. Because, like to your point, when you apply a box hair color and you're applying it root to ends, those ends don't need more ammonia to release more of that color molecule. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

So they're opened up and they're just saving it all, taking it all in, and they just don't need to. Um, so I would not recommend at-home coloring. I feel like there's enough different avenues to go down to fit into your budget, honestly, to do still do a salon service of some sort, you know, whether it's just like, I mean, in our salon, we offer just like a around the face face.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

Face frame, yeah. So just a face frame.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

So it's gonna get your hairline and down your part. There you go. You know, so that's that feels like something that you can do much more reasonably than doing every hair on your head, you know. So maybe get a couple of the face frame ones and then do a whole head or something like that. Um, because I understand people don't want to see their grays, and I understand sometimes it is a budgeting thing. Um, but talk to your stylist. But talk to your stylist and just see what they're open to, you know. I mean, we don't know what your budgets look like. So if you don't talk to me about it, I don't know. I'm not gonna assume what your budget looks like. I have no idea.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

Right. But if you said, hey, I really feel like I see my my regrowth in two weeks and I'm coming every eight weeks, like is there an in-between fix for me? Yes, is there a few?

SPEAKER_00 28:53

And then I'm gonna say, Oh, yeah, absolutely. We can do we can do this, or we can do that. What what sounds like the best option to you?

SPEAKER_02 29:00

So exactly. Rather than even doing at-home color, um, I was recently made aware that a new client that came in for a haircut told me she goes to a walk-in color place, kind of like a great clips type or haircuttery, I should say, but it's just for a base color only, and so it's like a subscription type service that you can go in and just get a retouch. And I mean, it's kind of like a dry bar experience, you just go in, get your retouch, and go out. I mean, there's plenty of options out there, but I would definitely try not to do your color at home, and it's hard to do, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

It's hard to do the back of your head, and like you can think, oh, I'll just have my husband do it. Let me just tell you. I once had my ex-husband do it. It was the most painful thing I've ever done in my life. I was like trying to teach him how to do it. I'm showing him in the mirror, and I really I did the front two parts myself. I really only needed him to do the back two parts of my head, back half of my head, right? And I could not get him to do what I was telling him to do to save my life. And it was it was so painfully slow. I was like, oh, it's okay. Uh, I'll just um I'll just take it from here. It's fine. Thanks so much. See ya, get out of the bathroom, right? Um, and he was like, How how long does um this hair color application take you to do in the salon? Like an hour and a half to put it on. I said, uh, if it took me an hour and a half, I wouldn't make any money at this job. It takes me 15 minutes. And he was like, absolutely baffled that I could put on base color in 15 minutes on a whole head of hair. And I probably did it in just over 15 minutes on my whole head of hair in the bathroom. And he was really certain that it took me an hour and a half to apply that to somebody's head. I'm thinking, good God, I would never make any money. Never if it took me that long. Holy cow!

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Not to mention that as soon as you apply it to the hair, it starts, it's active, it's activated and working at that point in time.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

Right. What about your sweet man who gets hair color and times it? Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

He's so on it. I like it. So we do have a handful of guys, probably more than you would expect, that do color, um, hair color, because they just kind of want that gray blending. And so the particular line I use and Sarah uses, I think, I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah. For men, is it's it's like a five to a 10-minute processing to get them in and out. So, and we can't charge, nor does the technology nor the product expense go into men's color because sorry, men are moneymaker or women. Right, period. So it's five to ten minutes. He times me from the second I get the bottle shook up, and I start applying it at the shampoo bowl because that way he times me and he's like, We're gonna go four minutes and thirty-two seconds today. That's what it was. I love it, I love it. As soon as his timer or countdown clock on his iPhone gets to about 420. He says, Okay, warm up the water. And then I have to start rinsing on the dot at that time.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

So look, it makes our job so easy though. I kind of love when he does it. Just tell me what to do. You're the boss in this. Tell me how to do your hair color. I'm here for it. But not really, but only in him because he's like researched it and he knows just the amount of time that he likes as to like how it fades out over that month that he's not with us.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

And I would like to see it more, but he's happy, so I'm happy. You know, and that's just it. I think part of being a hairstylist is letting your client um not control you, but to kind of guide you to do a good degree, and then when they gain their trust in you, then you can help guide them. I agree with that. I agree with that. Yeah, sometimes you know, a client's too early on, not in this gentleman's case. I just like that he's very on it and very precise with the way he likes it.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

It's fine with I love it, and it makes me laugh, and he knows that it makes us laugh, and he laughs right along with us.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

He does, he has a good sense of humor.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Oh great sense of humor. I really enjoy when he's there.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

Yeah, and side note about men's color, I I'm digressing, but I really have I've been watching this show on Apple called Friends and Neighbors, and I just have to say, whoever colors John Ham's hair is on point. Oh, it's so good. It's good because it's ashy, it has some gray in it, it's not grassy like a lot of men's hair color has a tendency to get. I just think they do a good job. So kudos to whoever colors it's that's on my to-be-watched show shows. Alrighty, so oh, trimming the hair. Oh a lot of people think because they're growing their hair out that they don't need a trim, or people with very long hair don't need to trim the ends of their hair.

SPEAKER_00 34:18

Or they don't want to trim because they just want to keep it long. And I mean, I feel like the amount of clients that I've told over the years, you aren't even gonna miss these three hairs down here because that's all that's down here to even trim. Because you've let it go so long and it's broken off and it's so damaged. Like you really do need it. You really do need to trim those gross ends off, the dry ends, the split ends, because what's gonna happen is that split is just gonna keep splitting up the hair shaft, and then it's gonna break even higher up. So you're giving yourself your own haircut, but it's not a good one.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

Think about unraveling a rope or something, it just keeps unraveling. Yeah, that's the same thing with your hair, it just keeps breaking and breaking shorter, shorter. And just getting a light trim just helps all of those ends look blunt, look healthy, thicker.

SPEAKER_00 35:09

I think it always looks thicker when you get a nice trim, clean haircut, you know?

SPEAKER_02 35:14

So, what do you tell somebody if they are growing their hair out or if they have really long hair, how frequently to trim their hair?

SPEAKER_00 35:24

I I might let you go every other color service. Might. I might monthly. I would say I I might let you go eight to twelve weeks.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

I think that's a good time. I think quarterly. Yeah. Like every four months, three months, get a trim.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

I yeah, I I probably do eight to twelve weeks depending on how often they're coming in for whatever other service. Um but yeah, you just need something. You just gotta go to the city.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

Come in for a conditioner and come get a conditioning treatment and a trim.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

You know? Like even just a like I I've got one client who comes in and gets a glaze, and then we and we give her a trim. We don't give her a trim every time that she gets a glaze, but we give her a trim every couple times for sure. And she wants her hair long and just she's like, please don't make me cut it. And I'm like, I you know, one, I'm not gonna fight with you. I'm not gonna fight with a client. If you don't want to trim and you really, really don't want to trim, I'm not gonna fight with you about it. I'm not just gonna go behind, I'm not just gonna secretly put on the cream rinse behind your back. Like, I'm gonna, you know, talk with you about it. And there are times when I'm like, okay, I get it. Like it's not terrible, but next time we really do need to do this. And so they kind of can get their minds right for the next time, and then they're ready for it. So I do think that hair oil that you like does help mend those, it helps stronger. I agree, I agree. I think that it's it's definitely not gonna, it's not foolproof and it's not gonna fix everything, but I do think that it can help give a little bit more moisture to those dry ends so they aren't getting drier and breaking off more. Makes them stronger. Makes them a little bit stronger. Um, but certainly not a cure-all by any means.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

You know, I also think keeping your children's hair trimmed or grandchildren's hair trimmed on a regular basis. You know, so many kids have finer hair when it first comes in, but if you just keep those ends trimmed, that hair will just stay stronger and thicker.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

I also think that falls under, I I can tell when especially well, not especially with either of my kids, both my kids. Because both my kids have longer hair. My son has long hair, and my daughter has really long hair. So with my daughter, we put, you know, she sleeps in protective styles. She sleeps in like a braid, or she'll sleep in a bonnet, or she'll sleep in a, you know, twisty high bun on the top of her head. And of course, we use the silk pillowcases and all that jazz. Um, but if she doesn't sleep in that, you can definitely tell when her hair needs to be trimmed because it's just so tangly, or not even sleep, just day to day, just her going to school and having a a day at school, because man, those kids have a day. Um tangle. It's just tangly. Those tangles are just outrageous. And I'm like, you need a haircut because these ends are just tangling on each other over and over and over again. And my son is definitely, because he will not do anything. I mean, he'll sleep on his sole pillowcase, but that's about the extent of protection I'm getting on his hair. So he wakes up looking ratchety for sure. Um, and it's just those ends, I'm like, it's they're ready to go. They're just ready to go.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

Well, if you think about if your hair only grows a half inch a month, and if you have two feet of hair, which is quite possible.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

That's old hair. It's so old. I mean, that's years old. Yes. That is aged hair.

SPEAKER_00 38:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

They they're tired. They need to go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

They need to go away.

SPEAKER_02 38:51

They need to go to bed. They sure do. So I would say a good guide would be every quarter to get your hair trimmed. You know, if you're growing it out.

SPEAKER_00 39:01

If you're growing it out, I think otherwise you can. Average four to six weeks. Four to six weeks. Eight weeks is if you're trying to maintain whatever style you have, then four to six, possibly even eight weeks. If you're not getting color done or whatever, then you could maybe go eight weeks. But if you're trying to grow it out, I I can appreciate that. And you want to get a little bit of length before you take some off, I can appreciate that. Um, but I do it still needs to be done for sure.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

I think that the telltale sign of when you really like desperately need a haircut and how much you need to get cut off. So when you get out of the shower and you've towel-dried your hair and you've combed through it with your, you know, wide tooth comb or your wet brush or whatever, look at those ends. And if those ends are dry and the rest of your hair is still wet, they are dead. They need to go. So that gives you a hint of how much of your hair is dead. Because sometimes you just look at it and you're like, oh, it could just be like a little quarter of an inch. But if you look at how much of your hair is actually dry before you've even gotten the hair dryer out, all you've done is gotten out of the shower, toweled off your hair a little bit, and brushed through it with your wet brush. And those ends are dry, an inch of your ends are dry, ma'am, it's time. They need to go.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

Also, you could just like fold those ends up like a mat, you know, just bend them in your comb and see where the thickness of your hair comes back in, and that will tell you too, because that will show you what's broken on those ends and what's not.

SPEAKER_00 40:37

Please don't ever peel your split ends. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Growing up.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

Don't do that. I have done that one or ten billion times. Please don't. It's so say as I do as I say, not as I do. Because it is like you just want to sit there and you see them and you just want to get rid of them. I would rather you take little nail scissors and clip each other.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

That's what Amy used to do when we were like teenagers and we would drive around. She would sit with her hair over her head and clip her split ends with nail clippers. Yeah, one by one. I don't care. One by one.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

Do it one by one. Do that one by one instead of peeling that.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

Because again, it's like a ribbon. Yes, a curling ribbon. It's a curling ribbon. Or it's like the rope. Yeah, you're looking at my burn tunnel. I am. I was cleaning uh my stove yesterday and I rested my arm on the hot burner.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

Oh yeah. At least it's not a hot tool. No. Because usually my burns are from a hot tool. I laid one on my neck the other day. I could not even tell you the last time I burnt myself while I was doing my own hair.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

On your neck?

SPEAKER_00 41:42

I know. It's not a hickey. It didn't, nothing even happened. It's not a mark. I don't have a hickey. It's not a hickey. Um, I didn't even get a mark from it. I just felt it on my neck. I was like, and Marker, of course, was in the bathroom with me when I was like getting ready. And she's like, what happened? I'm like, I just burnt myself with my curling iron. Yes. Okay, this last one, this is our last hair myth today. This is the hill I will die on. As a stylist, this is the hill I will die on. That air drying your hair is better than blow drying your hair. Like, excuse me for a moment. Miss the end. Yeah. I need to get my soapbox to stand on for this one because I hate this. I hate this so much. And I we see it, there's always someone in a wedding party who does it. And I, that's my least favorite bridesmaid every single time. Every single time. And all we asked. All we ask for is for you to show up to a wedding with clean, freshly champagne. Freshly clean, dry hair. Okay. Every time. I feel like that is self-explanatory. It's somehow not self-explanatory. Because every time there is somebody who comes and they are like, well, I washed my hair last night and I just air dried it. I just slept on it wet. And immediately in my head, I'm like, I hate this already. This is going to be the ugliest hairstyle I do today. And I hate it already. Because I know those curls aren't going to hold. I know that it is going to be greasy. I know that there are zero redeeming qualities that are going to happen on this head of hair. And I don't even want to see it. Oh, it's so gross. It is so gross. Okay. Okay, reason one.

SPEAKER_02 43:31

Reason one. What's the number one reason it can cause? Like, what are some of the side effects by not blowing your hair dry?

SPEAKER_00 43:38

Okay. So if you are using proper products, who cares if you use heat? If you use the heat protectant, you can use heat. Yeah. Start there. If you're not using heat protectant, okay, fine, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 43:50

Even if you have curly hair, if you blow it a little or at least get your scalp dry.

SPEAKER_00 43:56

I require scalp health. Is that my My children go to bed with a dry scalp.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 44:03

I don't make them dry the whole head, but you have to go to bed with a dry scalp because if you are not, you are laying on pillows with your warm head and it's moist. What grows in warmth and moist? Fungus. Fungus, yeast, ugh, it's so gross. Okay. The I don't have can't say that I have a ton of clients, but there are a handful of clients, less than a handful, a very small handful, a very couple few, that come and it's like, I just have dandruff. This is not dandruff. This is cradle cap, my friends. This is yeast overgrowth on your scalp. It is not dandruff. If you are going to bed with a wet head regularly, you are tearing up your scalp health. Tearing it up.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

And there's the smell.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

And it stinks. And it is oily and it is gross. And if you have not had children, look up cradle cap. Also, don't eat while you're doing it. If you have had children, you know exactly what cradle cap is. Like almost all of them have a little bit of it. And the second my children had it, I was like Googling the remedies. I probably put a salad dressing condiment on at one time to get rid of it. I'm pretty sure it's olive oil that you used to get rid of it.

SPEAKER_02 45:21

Because basically it's a buildup of skin. Right. It is. It is. It's a buildup of skin and oil. And and and honestly, bacteria.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

Right, right. So it is not healthy for your scalp. It is not good. Your hair will not look good. Whether I'm doing it, whether you're doing it, whether you're on in a wedding, your hair is going to look bad. Like it is not good for your scalp. And it is gross.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

And your skin doesn't know, like your oil glands don't know whether to create more oil, whether to dry out. It's just it messes with the whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 45:58

It's like a whole mask over the over the scalp. So it's like it doesn't know what to do. It's like, oh, I am moist, I think. Or should I know? I don't know. Do I need to? I don't. Yeah. It's very confusing for your scalp, and it's just really not well, and not good. It's not good. Just go back and use a heat protectant. Then you can dry your hair.

SPEAKER_02 46:18

Dry your hair, dry your scalp, dry something.

SPEAKER_00 46:22

Yes. I don't even care if you do it 100%. I don't always blow my kids' hair dry 100%, but you are not going to bed with wet hair. Period.

unknown 46:30

No.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

Period. You are not going to hair to bed with wet hair. Yeah. Also, like I think that's probably bad for your pillows and stuff, right? Yeah. Feels gross. Feels gross. Feels gross. Yeah. I don't know. That's I'm using that as my excuse for my kids, other than I'm a professional. And also I'm your mom because I said so.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

So you know that's the hill I'll die on. It is greasy every single time. It does not do you any favors at all.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

No.

SPEAKER_00 46:55

You know, it's laying on your scalp and laying in that oil and it just traps it. It's so it's not giving, I mean, you definitely don't have any sort of style. Like it's gonna be flat.

SPEAKER_02 47:07

It's not think about where the thickest part of the head is, is in the back in the nape.

SPEAKER_00 47:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

You know, and that's where you're laying on your head usually, unless you're a side sleeper, but that's not good either. But even if you are a morning shampoo girl or guy, guys can get away with out of the side.

SPEAKER_00 47:24

I mean, guys can get away with it. Because but but it's they're having so much airflow through that, you know. For women with thick hair, it's laying down. Yes, laying on a bunch of other hair with men, it's not laying on anything.

SPEAKER_02 47:37

Blow dry your hair.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

Just blow dry your hair, please, for the love of everything.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 47:41

For the love.

SPEAKER_02 47:42

Yes. So just listen to us on that one. Blow dry your hair. Use heat protectant at home. Use conditioner that doesn't consist of kitchen condiments.

SPEAKER_00 47:55

Don't color your hair at home. Don't. And trim your hair regularly. It's good for you. And it feels good. It feels good to have a fresh haircut. Just do it.

SPEAKER_02 48:05

I even have a phobia of cutting my hair, but I I usually like it in about a week or two. Oh, it's that's normal.

SPEAKER_00 48:13

I think it's normal.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

I think it's totally normal.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

I am I don't cut my hair as often as I should, and and because I like the way it blends in with my extensions. Because it blends in if I don't have like a really crisp, clean cut. So I almost need it to be a little wild at the ends. But every now and then I do just trim, trim, trim. So I always recommend that for others. Um if we aren't doing some sort of extension blending, I do think you just gotta get a good trim, clean trim. Yeah, and you'll feel like it's thicker.

SPEAKER_02 48:47

Totally.

SPEAKER_00 48:48

You'll feel like it's thicker, you'll feel like it's fuller, and it looks healthy.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

And it saves time. I'm all about time management. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

Are you? Yeah, Miss ADD? Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 48:58

I get distracted, but I still always feel like I have too much to do and not enough time to do it.

SPEAKER_00 49:04

Don't we all?

SPEAKER_02 49:04

Yeah, so get a trim. Call call today, go online, schedule an appointment with whoever you see. Get a trim. Get a trim. And a color.

SPEAKER_00 49:15

Why not? Yeah. Grab some products, get a color, get a trim, treat yourself. That's right. Thanks for joining us on two chairs, no filter. Please recommend us to your friends. Leave us comments, leave us reviews. We love hearing from y'all. And we'll see you next week. Take care.