Bro, This Ain't Your Barber. Upgrade Your Haircut.

This episode we share why men NEED to visit the salon, versus the walk- in haircutting spot. Along with tips, and tricks for hairstyling men's hair.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hi, and welcome to Two Chairs No Filter with Sarah Kate and Holly, where we bring you real life, real beauty, and unfiltered conversation.

SPEAKER_01 0:11

Good morning. Happy Monday morning to all of our listeners. We are back for another episode of Two Chairs No Filter with Sarah Kate and Holly. We hope everybody's had a great weekend and we are ready for a fresh podcast to start out the week. Today's podcast is about men in the salon. Why are they coming to the salon? Why are they ditching their barber? They're breaking up with their barbershop. Why are they into hair products now that maybe they were never into before? What are they doing? Why are they coming? Um, and why you should be coming as a man, why you should be coming to the salon over, you know, the in and out place um or the barbershop or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

So and this topic came to us through one of our regular male clients who did listen to our first per podcast, and he said, You really need to cover why men do come in and get a haircut, and they prefer this over going to a cuttery or a walk-in facility. Um, so that's what brought us here.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

To be fair, I was very shocked about this client listening to our podcast. I was really impressed that he listened to it and shocked, but also just so thankful for the support. So if you're listening to this episode, which I hope you are, thank you so much for your support. We appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 1:29

And thanks for the inspo and a few of the topics that we're gonna discuss within this topic as to why, or his points of view.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Um, so his first point of view, I guess, was basically that he likes the consistency of it, right? That he knows what what time he's gonna be here, he knows that you're gonna be there, you're gonna be on time, and he knows what kind of haircut he's gonna get from you every single time.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

Every time. He's there two weeks, usually, maybe three. Maybe three. And um, he knows what he's gonna get, and because he comes on a regular basis, he's in and out in under 30 minutes. You know, every other time we do a beard trim. In the meantime, I always clean up the line, you know, around his beard and do his own.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Well, and I think that's probably a little bit of a specialized service that you're probably not getting with the in and out places, not necessarily a barbershop. I think at a barbershop you're definitely getting that. But I think at an in and out kind of place, um you're you're not gonna get that attention to detail, which I think is important for men these days. And really they want to have it, you know, make sure all the little hairs on their ears are trimmed up, make sure everything around their, you know, their neckline is cleaned up, um, that their beard line is cleaned up if they have that. Just the harder places for them to reach on their own.

SPEAKER_03 2:46

Exactly. And um in this guy's point, he likes to know that he's gonna be seen by the same stylist every single time and he has an 8 30 a.m. appointment, that he's gonna be seen at 8 30 in and out before, you know, in our world, we're a smaller salon, so we can make accommodations for our clients that maybe a larger salon is not. Right.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

We can come at 7 30, 8 o'clock, get you in and out before it gets hustle and bustly with filled with women, which I don't there's I don't think there's anything to be ashamed of about a man coming to a salon and being in there with a bunch of women, but maybe they just want a little bit more of a quieter s experience and don't want the gossip and the gab and the this, that, and the other. Um, so I think some of our men do enjoy and prefer to come early in the morning, which it's nice that we have that option that we can come in and just get it in, get it out, all said and done.

SPEAKER_03 3:42

What percentage would you say, Sarah, is your male client base?

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Oh my gosh. That has ebbed and flowed over the years, but I will say when I first started doing hair, um, actually when I was in hair school, my teachers there were like, learn men's haircuts, learn men's haircuts. You have to learn them. And well, one, you have to learn them because you know, you have to be able to cut all types of hair. But they were like, learn them because men are your bread and butter. Men are gonna come in every three or four weeks, they're gonna buy whatever products you tell them to buy, and they are loyal and they will be there. Period. End of story. They were not lying about that. Um, men are definitely the bread and butter. You can fit them in in a processing time with a color, so you're getting really, you know, you're double booking, you're getting two for the price of one basically. Um and and they were right, they do, they they are loyal, they will come to you whatever salon you end up at, and they just they will buy the products and they will do what you tell them to do. So at my first salon, I was one, I was one of a handful of new stylists, but I was really the only one who did men's cuts. And so I just got funneled all of the men's cuts that came in. Any walk-in man that came in, I was the new stylist at that price point that they would put them with. So I got so many clients. And that was also the time, and this is sort of dating me, but that's okay. This was also the time when Justin Bieber was so big and he had those swoopy bangs where the boys were like giving themselves whiplash trying to sweep these stupid bangs out of their eyeballs. So we called them beaver bangs, and at this time, beaver bangs were in, and so many moms had taken their boys to the in-and-out place, and they had gotten their beaver bangs chopped off, which is devastating for a middle school, high school aged boy at that juncture, you know, to have the devastating haircut and lose the beaver bangs. So to not face the wrath of their boys anymore, moms who I would do their, you know, cut and color and blah, blah, blah, started bringing me their teenage boys also so as not to cut off their beaver bangs. Um, and I had most of those boys, you know, through graduation, you know, from high school, sometimes from college, like, so, anyways, all that to say, that was a long-winded explanation. I probably still have a good third, 25, 30% of my clientele that's men.

SPEAKER_03 6:13

I don't have the exact number, but and out of those men, how many pre-book with you uh before they leave? Do they schedule ahead? Do they have to schedule ahead?

SPEAKER_01 6:21

Um, I don't, I it's good for them to schedule ahead because I think that helps with like their meeting schedules and stuff like that, especially the guys who are coming, you know, on their lunch break at noon at 12 30 and you know, want quick in and out. So it does help to make sure that you secure that appointment. Um, but also I do I do tell my men, you know, it's okay um to just shoot me a text if you try to get in and it doesn't seem like there is anything. Because a lot of them do like to book online um on our online booking software. So if they can't find anything, I'm I always tell them to just shoot me a text because sometimes I can find them a slot because I know, oh, you know, this is so and so, they're not gonna take me a full 30 minutes, they'll only take me about 20 or 15 or something like that, and I can fit them in somewhere that it doesn't look like it's open. So I always tell my men to just shoot me a text if they can't find a spot. But typically they do pre-book so that they can have those lunchtime appointments or that early morning appointment before their day started.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

Before their day gets started. I had a guy back, he doesn't he no longer comes to me anymore, and he said that his time was more valuable than my time. Me, the stylist, and so he needed to know that he was gonna be seen if he scheduled at noon on his lunch break, that he could be seen at noon and be out the door by 12:30. And he says, I would like a call ahead if you are running behind schedule, because again, I make way more money than you do in my hour that it takes for me to come here and get a haircut between drive time to the salon, back to his office, and his haircut time. He sounds like a treat.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

I bet you miss him.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

I totally miss him. But that all to be said, that time is valuable. So, how much time are you wasting sitting at a barber shop or a walk-in haircuttery when you that's true, where you're just in line, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:16

And it's just whenever you're up, you're up, I think is how they work in there. I've never really sat at a barber shop, but I think that's kind of it. You kind of come in, sit down, and then when your chair's up, whoever the next barber is that's up is who cuts your hair, whether that's who you wanted that day or not. I think that's who you get, unless you just say, Oh, I'll wait for the next, you know, whatever. But gosh, think about how much time you would waste. And if you're going on a Saturday or something like that, all the men are going on a Saturday. Holy cow peak time at that.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

Or at five o'clock or something like that. Like that sounds weekends. Are peak times that guys think, last minute, gee, I need a haircut. Or their wife, girlfriend, partner, whoever is after them. You need to get groomed. So in those cases, even um scheduling ahead, online booking, all of that is definitely an option at most. At salons, right.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

I don't know that that's necessarily a a something that happens at I think at the box places, though, I think you can you I think you do, but I think you still have to wait once you get to it.

SPEAKER_03 9:19

That's what my client said the other day. He said you still, even though you think you have an appointment, you still have to wait. Also, the quality of the haircut that you might get at a walk-in, you may find that you get placed with a great barber or stylist, and then the next time you don't get them. So you it's very hit or miss. But if you get a really good haircut, the time that it lasts is a little bit better because I know some of my clients' husbands are afraid to spend, you know, what they're looking at is double what they may pay at a walk-in. Sure, because what do they think? Oh, what's that?

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Probably $15 and then there's always a coupon. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

But then that haircut may only last them two to three weeks, whereas if they had more ability to stretch it out, our haircuts allow them to stretch it out. That's what I'm basically trying to say. Right. Longer.

SPEAKER_01 10:16

But then conversely, don't I mean you have several like you know that come every two weeks. Every two weeks, and I have several that come every two to three weeks also because they just want that little just the little tweaks, and they know they're not gonna get this like hacked up job because they know they just want their hair to look the same every time, every single week, the same.

SPEAKER_03 10:37

The same. They don't want their hair to look different. No, doesn't want to look grown out, doesn't want to look freshly cut, they don't want the hair touching their ears, their collar in the back, just very neat and clean cut. Yes. Um, I also think that a lot of the guys on the news, like the newscasters on the TV and stuff, I think bet you they get trims like daily or cleaned up daily before they go on set. Because eight high def, you know, everything. So cotton 4K.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

As my children say.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

That's right. As my children say all the time, cotton 4K. So yeah, I would also not like to be caught in 4K with any uh no stray hairs on my ears if I were a guy or something like that. I'm not trimming nose hairs with a slow on that's a dun problem.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

So, you know, just some at-home tips that if you can't get in for a haircut and you do have an important meeting, or for you girls out there, you need to tidy tidy up your husband or spouse or whoever. Whoever, significant other. Significant other. Uh you know, just having a good at-home pair of trimmers at home to trim up the neck hair, trim around the ears, make sure that the if they don't have a beard, that their sideburns are equal, trim those long eyebrows. Oh gosh. Oh man, those sun visors. They grow wild and woolly straight out. I just think when I'm cutting them, I think these could be some visors. And the some some guys, the older they get, the coarser those hairs get. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And they're out of control.

SPEAKER_01 12:23

But you know, they serve a purpose. They do. They serve a purpose.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

And they do, it has something to do with blocking the sun.

SPEAKER_01 12:29

Well, I don't know if it has to do with blocking the sun, but it does have to do with like keeping debris out of your eyes and sweat. Like sweat and debris out of your eyes. And I will tell you, when I did not have as much hair, it was very strange. Like, stuff did get in my eyes a lot. I bet when I didn't have my lashes and my eyebrows were so thin when I was going through chemo, like it was it was weird. I was like, man, stuff is really getting in my eyes all the time, and sweat would just go straight into my eyeballs. And that kind of is uncomfortable, I will say. Not my favorite.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

That makes me remember. So one time I had we do facial waxing at our salon, and one of my clients had asked me if I could wax her nose hairs. Like my God, could you imagine? I told her no. But you know what I did? I did it on myself.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Nope. I sure did. Did you regret it?

SPEAKER_03 13:19

Yes. It did it, I mean, obviously it hurts because that's a sensitive area, your upper lip or anything around your nose. But you talking about debris getting in your eyes. Yeah, you had all kinds of stuff up in your nose. That's not the nose. My nose did not stop running. Those nose hairs kind of help. Keep the boogers where they're so good to be. I mean, honestly, you and I are good about trying products or trying services prior to offering them. So that's the one my mom offering.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

I'm glad you're the guinea pig on that, not me. No, but you didn't bamboozle me into trying that. No.

SPEAKER_03 14:05

Yeah, that was if it's several years ago, but needless to say, I've never done that to any client in the salon. So that's another thing. Even um for the guys at home, just get a little facial razor. They sell them usually in them around the nail supplies in a drugstore or Walmart, Target, any of the big box stores. They make little feather razors and they're really good for cleaning up or grooming your eyebrows, you know, between your brows, around your brows to get the excess hair off.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

And so you don't feel like you are doing the like really defined waxing brows. You know, you do kind of want them to look a little bit more masculine, I think. Exactly. So to keep them looking a little bit more masculine, but also not wild and out.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

I mean, in and honestly, there are a few guys in the past that I have waxed their brows, but I still keep them very masculine. I do too. Or thicker on the thicker side.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

I do too.

SPEAKER_03 15:07

They're definitely not having this beautiful arch right by any means. Now, I know there are several barbershop chains out there that have upgraded their services, and I would agree with that. I don't think well all barbershops are created the same for sure. Because there are some out there that are offering a stepped-up experience, meaning with steam towels or massage, head massages, and hot shapes, which we can't offer. We're not licensed to offer, and nor do I ever want to offer my hot shapes.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

I don't want to get licensed in that. That sounds terrifying to straight razor down someone's neck. Oh my god. Yes, that sounds terrifying. Right. I definitely don't ever want to do that. So I th but I do think you're right. I think that the barbershops have ch have upped their games. Not necessarily all barbershops, but I think there are some that are very much like we're a gentleman's place, you know, and that's but that's there's a price tag with that too, you know. So because they're paying upward of $70, $75 for a service in our area. So that's what I've heard. And I do remember when I was freshly out of hair school, um, I was probably at my first salon. I remember being at this hair supply store and a guy coming up to me and asking if I wanted a job at his men's haircutting place. And I was thinking, oh gosh, that sounds terrible. One, I don't want to be covered in all those little fine hairs all day long every day. Right. And two, I thought, how much money could you possibly make doing that? But I guess if you are charging $70, $75 a haircut, I'm just doing haircut, haircut, haircut, haircut, which sounds exhausting to me. Yeah. We're not gonna be able to do that. I like sprinkling the men's cuts in there and not having that be my sole business. Like I wouldn't want to work at dry bar either because or like a hair dry bar, you know, whatever. Um, a blow dry bar, I should say. I wouldn't want to work there either because that's that would be exhausting to me to just do blowouts all day long.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

Well, one thing that I will say, I feel like the style of a haircut coming from a stylist versus a barber is gonna be a little softer. We're not as trained in doing a super tight fade. Oh, yeah, like a zero fade. We can do a bald fade. We can't do any kind of like specialty clipper artwork. Yeah, I don't want to do that. No, we can't do any of that. I mean, some not to say that there aren't any stylists out there that can't do that, but I know that's not my specialty. My specialty is consistency, making your haircut look nice and neat, or to your point with the beaver bangs, there is a look still going on with the young men today with the real bushy, curly front, longer on top look, and shorter in the back and sides.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

And or even, you know, honestly, even the mullet that's still going strong modern, a modern kind of shaggy mullet.

SPEAKER_03 18:10

Somebody said not a southern mullet, but a modern mullet. That was my client the other day. I said that the other day in the shop, and I said, Oh, that is hysterical.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Yeah, a modern mullet, which I never really gave it much thought, but I don't, I mean, it's definitely not, you know, Joe Dirt or anything like that. That's definitely not in. So, um, but I do think that that you have to have some of those um, you know, clipper and and fading techniques. But I if honestly, if somebody sat down in my chair and asked me for a bald fade or some, you know, high and tight military cut, I'd be like, I would just say, that's really not for me. Um, you don't want me to do that on your head. Um, you should probably head down to the barber shop. Right. Because that I just I wouldn't give them what they were actually looking for. That's not where my specialty is. I mean, I use a lot of scissor over comb, which it gives a soft look um and helps you, you know, maintain length. Um, and I use um clipper over comb also. Um I don't use a ton of guards with my clippers. It's not to say I don't, but I don't do a ton of haircuts like that.

SPEAKER_03 19:17

I do on a f several of my guys, not all, but several of them, but I do just because they like it so short on the sides and then blended to the top. Um that weight line look has kind of gone out. But um also let's touch on since we're talking about mullets, the the fad that was in like over summers with the guys calling and seeing if we could perm their mullet.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

Oh, we had a lot of people calling for perms, and I feel like that's really middle school boys, high school boys, that's really what they're doing. They're really wanting to have it perm, which I don't blame them because a straight mullet does not look very good. Right. You got a bunch of straight hair, that does not a good mullet make. Right, you know, right? Um, my son has been rocking a mullet for he's in first grade now, and we cut it in first grade. And honestly, it just came out of necessity. He hated to have his hair cut, and I was like, You can't walk around like that when your mom's a stylist. People know that. Like, you can't look unkempt like this, buddy. You gotta do something. He was like, I hate, I don't want to have my hair cut, mom. And I'm like, fine. So the mullet was the route we went because I could get a long time out of that cut without having to cut it. And he's got this great curly red hair, it's not super curly, but it's got enough wave in it that it just curls right up and looks so cute and so handsome. So I leave it curly and wild on the top and at the back, and I clean up those sides. But I do think that a curly mullet, a curly moppy top, really works much better than straight. I feel bad for the boys who have really, really straight hair. And that, honestly, don't you feel like the straight hair haircuts are like short haircuts are the hardest. That's the hardest hair to cut. Absolutely. The hardest hair to cut. I bet those are the people who got burned by um going to the walk-in places. Because you can see every haircut, every every single cut cut with our shears, every single one. It is hard. It can be tragic. Oh, for sure. And then add in a cow or some like you know, the whirl at the crown. Add in the the cow up at the front or a double calix up at the front. Oh, bless their little hearts, huh? Right.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

How do you get that to lay down? What would you suggest if somebody's child or you know, that likes to bathe at night and then get up in the morning? I would just say stick your head underneath the sink. Yeah. Yeah, just or get a get a water bottle and keep it in your, you know, vanity on your vanity and just wet it down to keep it. We freshen up every morning for sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

We wet down, we wet down the mullet every morning. Brush it into place and then get a curl cream. And I just kind of scrunch the curl cream into those curls to help the curls pop back up. And I would do similar if if my son had straight hair. You know, I'd still wet it down, use it. Shape it into place and then use some sort of styling pomade, paste, a gel, you know, whatever amount of hold you need. I would use a product to do that. But I would, I would still freshen up every day. I'm gonna be honest, because those kids are wild in bed um at night. So they wake up looking pillowhead.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

They could look like a rooster.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Oh bless. We we look a little rough in the morning. So I that is definitely the continuous spray water bottles, are really where it's at. Yeah, and you can get those at any I think those are probably any.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

I even see them, I see them at even Home Goods or TJ Maxx at checkout. Sometimes, yeah, sometimes on there. Um or ask your stylist if that's something that you need. We can definitely assist one for sure. Um the other thing is we just touched on is styling products. Men find a product and stick with it to the day they die. I had one of my clients tell me that they use a certain paste on their hair. This is a client that comes every two weeks. He found it. I guess they stopped making it, but he founded it either on eBay or on Amazon. He ordered a case of it, he bought all of it, like a hundred. It's so funny. He probably probably he'll have some left over when he dies. Oh my gosh. It's so many pucks of whatever fiber or whatever that was that he likes to use. But they'll die by their products, which you know it's okay. I can appreciate that. It's okay. It takes a lot of convincing to get a guy to try a new product. At least in my household, too.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Do you recommend conditioner for men? Because I think a lot of men skip conditioner or do two-in-one, traditional two-in-one.

SPEAKER_03 24:07

If they skip conditioner, they definitely need to use a moisturizing shampoo, something not from the market, because that's gonna be too stripping. And back to what we discussed in an earlier episode about the oil, our scalp health. I definitely like an invigorating, like you mentioned, like a tea tree scent, something a little spicier, right? And that definitely does help promote healthy scalp, but I also like a good moisturizing men's shampoo.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Um I always feel like there's good daily men's shampoos and conditioners because I think that that's that it's gonna be hard to get men to not wash their hair every day.

SPEAKER_03 24:52

You know, I I sell more leave-in conditioner to my male clients than I do female clients. Right. Which I is always I wanna know.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

I I have questions, guys. Why? Why are you so hard up for this leave-in conditioner?

SPEAKER_03 25:08

Oh, Nick bought some. For what? For his little half inch of hair, quarter inch of hair. How are we leave-in conditioning? Uh, he's training the top of his hairstyle. I hate to tell him that you can't train hair to go a certain direction every single time. I don't know what he's training, but and how he's training it with a leave-in conditioner.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

That's not training anything. Train it with some heat, like a blow dry and a brush.

unknown 25:33

I know.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

Or a really, really mini flat iron. Remember that mini flat iron I had when my hair started coming back in and it's like a quarter of an inch. Right.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

So I guess I would say if for a man that's gonna skip a conditioner, use a moisturizing shampoo. Definitely try to incorporate some sort of a conditioner, whether it's leave-in, rinse out. Leave-in. I can't. What about the three in ones? Like body wash, shampoo, conditioner, no, all in one.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

Look, if you can wash your balls, you don't need to wash your face and your hair with it. Let's not. That's definitely gotta be the wrong pH. I don't know. Oh God. Don't do that. Please, throw it out. And if you're the female listening to this, throw it out when you see it in your man's shower. No. Because he's secretly using your shampoo. Oh my gosh, right? I love those TikToks about like men that found, you know, the their girlfriend's purple shampoo and start using it. And they're like, I don't know, it's purple everywhere. It's so fun.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

And the girl's like, What? Don't use that. That's so expensive. I know.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

And they're like just having a good old time in there with this. This is fun. Let's try this. When you give them options, they'll try it though.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

You know, like if you just sneak some stuff in the shower, they'll be like, hmm, what's this? And it's like new men's shampoo and conditioner. I think that's great, honestly. Let's let's give it a go, guys.

SPEAKER_03 27:03

I brought a product home that we used to carry in the salon in the back bar pump. Nick with his quarter-inch hair, he did a full pump. He said, Oh, I love that shampoo, but it was like an oil slick afterwards in the shower. I said, How much did you use? Oh, a full pump. I'm like, you had a handful of shampoo in your hand for barely any hair on your head. Of course it's an oil slick.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

That's funny. I know.

SPEAKER_03 27:37

Oh, I love it. So definitely wash, condition.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

Um, and you don't have to use that much. If you're using a salon product, that's the whole point. Like they are concentrated, you don't have that much hair to use it on, for one. And two, you don't need that much. So just keep that in mind. A little bit goes a long way.

SPEAKER_03 27:59

Um, let's talk about facial hair and moisturizing. I think that's another issue, especially in the colder months. Um, think about underneath that beard, they do make beard oils, they make all grooming accessories for beards. So definitely keep your face moisturized and definitely keep that beard hair moisturized. Just keep it soft because that that beard hair is prickly. It is very prickly. When you're kissing, you're walk kissing whomever, it's prickly.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

It is very prickly. I also just kind of recommend. Oh, sorry, we have our friends here today. We've got we've got our two boys here, so hopefully they don't keep barking. I'm so sorry. Um, so I do kind of just say, like, you can wa it's hair. Beard hair is hair, and it's coarse hair, but it is hair, so you can wash it with your conditioner or your shampoo and condition it with conditioner. Yes. Like, I think that's a solid use of your shampoo and conditioner. And if you get a little bit extra on your hands, run it down through your beard. I think you should.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

I mean that skin needs to be exfoliated underneath there for multiple to get rid of the dry skin, but also to prevent um ingrown hairs, curlier hair clients. Definitely get ingrown hairs when the hair is that short. It can happen in your beard, it can happen on your head. Um, so just be mindful of that as well.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

I made a sugar scrub with um that body oil that we buy from TJ's. Uh-huh. I made a uh sugar scrub for like your face. Did you? With it. Yes. And did it all over Brian's face and it was like a baby sweat.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

Oh, I bet it was nice.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

He was like, this kind of hurts, but I kind of like it.

unknown 29:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Um, it was so and it was just exfoliated because his beard is so dry. So dry. Like not DeAndre on this head, but like Deandre Fender's from his beard. And so um I thought that we were like, I just I just made it and just got it right out of there. And it really, it really did work. So keep that beard conditioned, keep it oiled. You can put that oil on your face, like it's okay to put that beard oil to your face. Um, so I think that's always important to groom your beard hair just as well as you're grooming your head hair, honestly. What about men in hair color?

SPEAKER_03 30:36

Ooh. And beards. Because some guys want their beards. I know when Nick sometimes watches sports and I will look at the commentators and I always die when the guys have colored hair, but their beard is white.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

That's like having the wrong color eyebrows with your hair, too, right?

SPEAKER_03 30:57

Right. So beard hair isn't gonna cut pick up the hair color as well as the hair on your head because of that coarseness. But it can possibly potentially cover or blend it out a little bit, make it a little bit of a softer gray. Um, I the men, the men that I see, I typically do a semi-permanent hair color, just a gray blending technique with just a men's hair color.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

Yeah, they have a men's hair color, 10 minutes, so it's really in and out. Um, which I think is good because most men don't want to sit there for a full 40-minute processing of a you know really permanent color. Um, so I like the gray blending ones because it's those kind of camo-y ones where it is just kind of camouflaging, it's just slightly hitting those grays. You can still see a hint of it. You know, it's not gonna be all of a sudden zero gray hair, you never see it again.

SPEAKER_03 31:52

Um and it doesn't give you the line of demarcation, it just does that blending.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

I think that's definitely a good choice for a lot of men. Um, and I don't think there should be like a stigma around it. Like, if you don't want to have gray hair, don't have gray hair. Right. Like it's okay, you know. Right. But I mean, I I don't know about using the ones at home. I'm not sure about those. I'm not sure about those box colors. Um, I would be hesitant because I think the beard ones for at home, I think they are like really dark. So I think I think you would go from like a gray beard to like a black beard really fast. Yeah, you don't want that. I don't think you want to do that. I think you definitely want to, if especially if you're trying for the first time, I think you want to see a professional. For sure.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

Oh, speaking of that, that reminds me of the dad that popped his head in several months ago. Um, his son was on a ball team and they were all going to bleach their hair because either.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

They didn't made it to playoffs or stage.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

They were either gonna win or lose, and that was the deal. The deal breaker was bleaching your hair.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

I feel like it's when they win. I feel like high school teams are doing that a lot. Like if they're going to state or something like that, then they all bleach their hair and they like do it at home, and it looks terrible. So don't let your boys do that because it looks terrible. Because it generally takes more than one time to get it to like a nice platinum color.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

Yeah, depending on how dark your hair is how your dark your hair is, right?

SPEAKER_01 33:15

Yeah. Um, so they're kind of just usually getting it to like orange, and then they just have to walk around with orange hair. And I feel like it's always in the springtime. I think this is a baseball thing, so that's why it's probably springtime. Um and it's either like right at Easter when all the moms are wanting like Easter pictures, or or it's right before graduation. And they're like, oh my gosh, my son is gonna walk across the stage looking like an idiot. And can you help him? And I'm like, Well, yeah, I mean, I've got this spot, you know, whatever. And they're like, oh no, they've got practice. I'm like, okay, so you want me to fix his hair in the 15 minutes that he has this week. Sorry, ma'am, I can't help you with that. Right. But the dad who came in wanted to do it for his son, but did not want the wife to find out. And I was like, That's a terrible idea. That's a terrible idea. For one, I was like, that's a horrible idea.

SPEAKER_03 34:11

I'm like, I don't need your mom coming up in here. I'd like to be a fly on the wall to see when he brought his son home. And the mom's like, What have you done?

SPEAKER_01 34:22

We need to have a talk right now. I mean, I I would that would have been a fly on the wall situation that I would have also liked to partake in, but I did not want to be the one who did it either.

SPEAKER_03 34:32

No, and that that's when I piped in, I said, I would call a beauty school. Because A, he did not want to pay what we were gonna charge him, but it's our time and our it's our product. And it does take time, it takes a lot of time, and over-the-counter dye is not going to get it's gonna leave him probably like an Irish set or red. Yes, depending on how dark they are, yes, exactly. So that would be a disaster. Actually, one of my regular clients I've been seeing him for years, he and his wife love Halloween. So one year I did bleach his hair to look like uh machine gun Kelly. That was awesome though, actually. It's so good. And he and the costume, the whole look pulled together, it looked amazing.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

Yeah, but you I it took time though.

SPEAKER_03 35:19

It sure did. It was a coup a couple bleaches, right? Um, I that day, yeah. I did it all that day. Right. And his hair isn't even that dark, it's not dark, so it really lifted up really good. And it did look good, but it did look good. And the beauty of that is literally, it grows out so fast. It's a haircut or two. Right. And that was the case with a client of ours that comes in and he is an actor, and he had to dye his hair for a project. He was doing, I think, Nashville, one of the police or fire shows in Nashville. Oh, and Nashville 911. Something like that. Or Nashville Fire or something like that. Any of the stuff that I don't watch. I don't watch that either. So I'm not trashy enough for us to watch. No. So he his hair was like turning a little golden-y because his hair is so dark, like it's a medium to dark brown. And um, so his request the last time I cut his hair, I'm in here just to get the last bit of that color trimmed off before I'm a best man. Because he was the one that had like five weddings or something this spring. Yeah, to be in. Oof. Or to attend. But at least they were really fun places, weren't they? Italy. Yeah. Uh the Cape. Cape Cod for those that don't know. New England. I just call it the Cape. Yeah. Living this house. Yeah, exactly. Um, so they were really great on location, one in Florida, all over the country.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

So but I think I do I do think that there are options for men. That doesn't have to be permanent, it can be quick, it can be in and out, and you can just kind of still have some of your gray there. You don't have to fully cover it all up. And I don't think it has to be this emasculating thing either.

SPEAKER_03 37:04

No, there's nothing wrong with it. There's definitely more space in society these days for men to be able to groom their hair, groom their nails, groom their facial hair, even get Bro Tox. Oh, yeah, that's true. You know, get those 11s taken care of between the brows. That that's a good one. I had one client.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

I had one client. This is not about hair, but obviously he came to me for his hair. Um, and he said that he got he gets Botox and he wanted his forehead to be like a bowling ball.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

I remember that. It's a bowling ball, and I have never forgotten. A guy say that. A guy say that.

SPEAKER_03 37:49

Because it is true. When your Botox is full effect, that shine and that tightness, like he loved it. He loved it. He said, I don't want to see anything. I know. So good for him. Yeah. Good for you, Betty. That's right. So it's all acceptable these days. So um, you know, I think what would be the biggest difference? We'll touch on the difference between straight hair and curly hair for guys. Um, do you think it makes a big difference? You know, hair is hair in my book, so I just think just as with our female clientele, using a good moisturizing shampoo or curl cream you touched on with Carter's hair, something to help control the curls, um, that's a good option. Uh the hair is hair. So if you do have wavy hair, the shorter your haircut is, the straighter it's going to appear when it's styled. And if you have curly hair and want to embrace that, letting your hair fill in a little bit and get a little more length to it will allow those curls to make your hair look thicker. And then that leads us to what about guys with thinning hair? What do you do? You know, do you just you still have to condition the scalp? You really should be applying a sunscreen, especially if you're a golfer and outdoors person or wearing a hat when you're out there because you can get skin cancer on your scalp as well. So you want to make sure that's protected. Um, there are products that help with thickening the hair and help with that aren't necessarily your go-to rogueine that will help promote and maintain the hair on your head. Um, I know some people I gotta be honest, I am not a fan of rogueine.

SPEAKER_01 39:33

I'm not either. I am not a fan of it. I sure sometimes it works, um, but gosh, it is really smelly.

SPEAKER_03 39:43

Yeah. And you know, rogueine's one of those things while you're using it. It can promote hair growth, but it could be the fine downy hairs that come up on our face. It's not going to necessarily always bring you the hair that you remembered either.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:59

You know, the texture changes with age. Um, I've heard about people going to Turkey for hair transplants, but they do hair transplants here, but it's much more of an investment, and that's where they just take hair from a thicker part, usually the nape area of the head, and they literally graph the skin with the hair to the top part, which is a whole nother. There's no guarantee there that once they graph it and move it, that it's gonna last either.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

That's very beautiful. I I can't imagine. I just like was seeing in my head my visual mental picture of that. Of like taking because I mean it's not like they I bet they could take it in squares, right? Off of like the nape and the neck. Yeah. What if they transplanted a square up to the very front and then it didn't take, and you have the square of balls like right in the middle of your head stuff growing.

SPEAKER_00 40:51

Not to mention like that was my mental picture.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

And when they do it, it looks like little trees because it's like all in order. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

Does that mean it's in like a line? Yes. Like a this is planted by uh machinery, like it's in straight lines. Yes, yeah. I don't know. It's it's pre-planned. It but you know what else? You know what else is coming up so much that I'm kind of here for? Because okay, so younger men are really bald. Like for this very brief time that I was on dating apps, it was hard to find a not bald man in their 30s. A not bald man because they were all bald, and I had to be like, oh, do I like a bald man? I don't really know. Um, so I think now the like modern toupees are really in.

SPEAKER_03 41:46

Oh, they are. I'm these men hair pieces.

SPEAKER_01 41:48

Gosh, I'm obsessed with watching it too. I love it. I do too. I'm so here for that, and it's basically like because I'm sure not everybody has this on their for you page, but it's on Holly and I's so typically your hair stays thicker around the nape and towards the sides and whatever. It's it thins at the top, right? Where you kind of get that horseshoe thinning area. So what they're doing is they shave that thin part down, anyways, and then they get a a toupee fitted for the size that they need, and then they glue it on, they would they would glue it onto their head, and so they leave it on for I don't know, maybe a week. You think they do it every week, maybe? Uh maybe more than a week.

SPEAKER_03 42:33

I would think that they would have to do it every week, maybe every other week. Seven to ten days. No, 100% of that, but I definitely know that a lot of those guys on TV do that.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

I think it's so cool, and it looks so real. They're styling it like normal, they cut it like normal because it's real hair. I mean, it's just a toupee of real hair, you know. So I mean it's no different than me wearing hair extensions. That's real hair, it's human hair. It's the same thing, it's just for men and it's staying in. Well, a little bit less than my extensions too, because my extensions we don't move up, but every eight weeks. But but it's gonna last that hair is lasting, man.

SPEAKER_03 43:09

Like human hair too.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

Yeah, I mean, they're I don't know. I think it's really cool. And so they, you know, then when they take it off, they wash it and um and dry it and restyle it, and then they glue it back onto their head.

SPEAKER_03 43:20

Yeah, this is definitely a professional service that you would have to find somebody that's certified in that, and then when they take it off, they are gonna condition your scalp, do all of the things, and then cut your hair on the sides and around the edges to blend in with that hair piece.

SPEAKER_01 43:36

But I think a lot of the guys can kind of like cle do the weekly takeoff and put back on, and then maybe it's monthly that they're going for that cleanup of you know around the ears and on their neck and whatever. Anyways, I just think it's such a cool service, and I would not be shy about that if I were a a balding young man. I wouldn't be shy about it.

SPEAKER_03 43:58

I know there's this one. Braves commentator. We're in Atlanta, and my husband watches the Braves all the time. But I know that there's one that I would love to know because his hair always is on point. And to me, he has a toupee.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

I just might be a young, handsome guy.

SPEAKER_03 44:18

You know, probably younger anyway.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

But gosh, I think it really does change the whole appearance, though, going from like balding to all of a sudden having a full head of hair in a good way. I think it changes it in a good way. I wouldn't be shy about it.

SPEAKER_03 44:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

I don't know. I wouldn't be shy about it. All right. I think lastly, I the only thing that just squirreled into my mind is some of my guy clients that have let their hair grow longer. I think you still need a trim. And I'm talking about just longer hair, shoulder length. Sometimes my younger guys, young men, rebel from their private school years and let their hair grow in and let it be long. Um, but that still requires grooming around the edges underneath that hair growth because some guys do wear a guy bun. Yeah. So you just definitely want to keep that neckline still neat and around the ears and sideburns. And yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

I think that by and large, men are wearing longer hair these days. And I think that's really where the shift has come to coming to the salon because they're wanting a haircut with layers. They don't even know what layers are, but they think I need to say layers, you know. Some girl somewhere along the line has told them, you need layers in your hair. And they're like, okay, yeah, let's have layers. I don't know what that does, but let's do that, you know. Um, and I think that does that gives you a whole different cut, you know, gives you a whole different style to your hair. Um, that's not just the standard little boy cut or whatever that you've had for most of your whole life, you know. So I think if you want to change up your style and you're open to growing it out or whatever, that's really where you need to make that shift from the barber to the salon. What if they're gonna have a lot more options and a lot more tools?

SPEAKER_03 46:12

And a barber might say, Boy, you need to cut this.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

Right, right, for sure. Right. So I think that uh at the salon, anytime one of my men is like, I think I want something different. I'm like, okay, let's do it. What are you thinking? And so, you know, show us pictures, show us what you like, show us what you don't think you like, and we'll kind of talk to you about what is actually feasible with the hair you have on your head.

SPEAKER_03 46:34

What influences men do you think? Who do they look for for hair and spow? I I would have to say sports. I would say sports. With the World Cup stuff coming in, or it that's happening, right? Isn't that happening? Um, I think that's gonna influence, especially the younger guys.

SPEAKER_01 46:53

I would too, because I think, you know, I mean, that's got a lot of like European or South American or whatever. That's a lot of different guys' hair types, and would that would be different hairstyles, I would think.

SPEAKER_03 47:06

Do you think guys choose a style for life? Yes. This is my look from now at age 20, like say out of college, first real job. And I'm going to die with this hairstyle, but just gray.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

Yes. Or they've had the style that their mom told them to have when they were little boys. A bowl cut.

SPEAKER_03 47:33

Oh my gosh. Let's just pop a bowl on your head. And I'm gonna be an amateur and I'm gonna cut that hair around the bowl.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

I think there are still a good bit of moms who do their little boys' haircuts. Absolutely. Um, I'm not sure how I feel about that, but I mean it's it definitely saves money.

SPEAKER_03 47:50

I'll give you that. For sure. And I've had some of my clients that on the other end cutting their husband's hair because they don't have any hair left. So they just buy a clippers. One client told me their guard fell off. Whoops. Whoops. So her husband got an extra short. I said, look, it's a time saver, you won't have to cut it next month.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

Um, so my dad has the sweet, sweet hair. And um, most most of the my clients know my parents spend a lot of time in Italy, and he has this great head of full hair. Full head of hair, it's not thinning, it is not receding. There is no receding hairline, it is fabulous hair. My mom goes so crazy about him not getting a haircut while they're gone because they leave for three months at a time, and he's usually at my salon three, maybe three and a half weeks when he's here. So when they are gone, he does not get a haircut at all. Refuses. Absolutely not. Not, I don't want the language barrier, I don't want to go. He is not doing it. So my mom was like, fine, I'll do it. So she went to try to cut his hair, it was zero stars, would not recommend. She did not like it, he did not like it, they are never doing it again. So they do not do any at-home uh cutting of the hair other than cleaning up his neck, which thank God for a little tremors, right? Um, so I I don't know how how good is your marriage? Can you survive trimming your husband's hair? Well, we do. I mean, yeah, we do. But I mean, to be fair, I don't know. And Brian's just kind of like, just do whatever you want on my head. I don't really care.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

Oh, not my husband.

SPEAKER_01 49:44

Oh well.

SPEAKER_03 49:45

Brian really doesn't care what I do. He's like, if you like it, I like it. I don't care. Oh my my critics at home are terrible. Between my husband and my son, who for many years there, I was taking my son to the barbershop, and I that was the best money spent. I feel like he would sit there on camera on his phone with the camera in reverse, watching every single move at home because I'm cutting his hair at home. Oh my gosh. So I was like, nope, we're going to the barbershop.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

Nightmare.

SPEAKER_03 50:20

And one day I was sleeping in my car at the barber shop. And the windows down. It was probably early spring, and I am dreaming in that twilight dreaming, and I hear a mariachi band. And that wakes me up. I'm like, I must be dreaming. I'm in like Mexico. I look across the parking lot and there's a mariachi band playing in the parking lot. Yeah, very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

I wasn't just dreaming. Not in your dream state.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

Do we have anything else to add this week?

SPEAKER_01 50:59

I don't know. I don't think so. I think we covered just come to the salon, honestly. We're a lot of fun. You can get this podcast in real time, actually, if you come to the salon.

SPEAKER_03 51:08

So you never know what you're gonna get.

SPEAKER_01 51:09

Honestly, I think that is some of the fun for some of our guys is to just be like, wow, I didn't know what I was gonna hear here today. So they want to hear the story. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 51:18

Well, you guys, we hope we inspired you to come into the salon or go to a salon locally, check out your stylists. Also, it may be a good meeting place if you are single.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

Oh, I would I would if not, your stylist might know somebody. Hey, you know somebody single? We got a we got a whole clientele. We do so keep that in mind. Yes. Thanks for joining us this week on two chairs, no filter. Leave us a review, share us with your friends. We love having you all here with us. Ciao.