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Two Chairs No Filter
Episode 10 - Thinning Strands & Stories
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Join us in our catch- up episode from Sarah Kate’s European Vacation. Along with thinning hair concerns, and how to help your hair.
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SPEAKER_01Hi, welcome back to another episode of Two Chairs No Filter with Holly and Sarah Kate. Hello, we are back at it and we have missed you. We have missed podcasting. I have missed you, Holly. I've missed being in the salon. I was gone for a couple weeks on vacation. I just missed you. I've been at our little family affair at the salon every day, and I just really I was missing out on my girls while I was gone. I know, not much has happened. No, same old, same all. No stories to report. I'm sure something will come up. Um well, so I was gone on a European vacation for a couple weeks, and um it was great. It was so much fun, tons of memories were made. Um, Holly said to me before I left that it was gonna be a make or break of our relationship with my boyfriend. And I was like, great, no pressure, geez. I didn't even think about it because I was like, why wouldn't people want to hang out with my family for two weeks? My family's so fun. Um, but I guess that is kind of a lion's den to throw your boyfriend into, hanging out with your parents for two weeks and your brother and his family and your kids in another country, actually, four other countries. Like I really threw him to the lion's den and he held his own. So I'm gonna take that as a win. And I only lost my mind one time, so but I came back together. I feel like it was a win. It was a win. Um, and I got back just in time to go see my girl, hashtag Ella Langley, last night at Braves. What is it called? Braves Fest, Braves something fest. I don't know what it was called. Country Fest. I don't know. Country Fest. There you go. Anyways, it was at the Braves Stadium. It was hot. Holy moly, it was hot last night. Um but we had a good time though. The music was great. We were sitting up completely in the nosebleeds, but we had shade, so um Elle was great, Cody Johnson was great, everything was great. I'm gonna be honest, fully transparent. Everything was honest until I um drank a cut water. Have you ever had those?
SPEAKER_00Um I think I I don't oh yeah, and it's like a vodka flavor of mojito. Yes. So, I mean, let's be fair. I Yes, I had a margarita one, I think, at the last spray scheme. Okay, that's what I had last night.
SPEAKER_01I it gives you a headache. That is the understatement of a century. Last night, I we left the concert early because I was like, I don't feel good. I don't feel good, I am miserable, I don't feel good. And I'm sure it was a combination of being overheated. I'd had approximately zero. No, that's not true. I didn't have zero water because Brian did bring me water. He was like, I didn't know if you said water or cut water, so I brought you both. And I was like, uh, water. I'm at the water juncture, dear. So I drank it and I had the worst headache. I was like bordering on migraine, so miserable. He got us out to our Uber driver. We had the sweet, sweet Uber driver came and got us. I laid down in the backseat of that man's Kia and drove all the way home, laid down in the backseat because I was so miserable. And like it, I it was I was unwell last night. I I was unwell. Um did you get sick in the back of your house? I did not get sick and I told the man, Donnie. Donnie was his name. I said, I'm not gonna barf back here. I just need to lay down because my head really hurts. And so they're having this whole conversation. Brian and Donnie are best buds now, I think. And so they they're having this whole conversation over my head, and I don't even care. I don't even care because I am so unwell.
SPEAKER_00So unwell. You know, whenever I hear the name Donnie, I think of Donnie Wall. I it's not common. It's not common. I think of Hanging Tough.
SPEAKER_02That song Hanging Tough. I think you might be a smidge older than me on that one. I know. That was like the first thing I was new kidding on the block.
SPEAKER_01That was the one. Your gin and then my gen was I was the second wave with the in sync and the backstreet boys and the 98 degrees. I was kind of the second wave. I do know some new kids on the block, but like not, I'm not definitely not some super fan. They had they only had some songs.
SPEAKER_02That was it.
SPEAKER_00That was it. I think half the band wore the wall though, right? Mm-hmm. I think so. I don't, I can't even. Were you a Donnie fan or a Mark fan? I wasn't a Backstreet fan. No, it wasn't even Backstreet. It was like New Kids on the Block. New Kids on the Block. I wasn't even.
SPEAKER_01I wasn't a fan of my generation of boy bands either. Like I wasn't a fan of NSYNC or Backstreet Boys. I just like I heard it on the radio all the time, obviously, but I didn't care one way or another about it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there were so many in the early 2000s. Now, now are you a Mark Wahlberg or a Donnie Wahlberg fan?
SPEAKER_01I think I'm a Mark fan also. I'm Marky Mark. Marky Mark. I'm a Marky Mark. I think I think Donnie might have lost it when he was first getting with uh Jenny McCarthy.
SPEAKER_00And she was such an odd Donnie. Definitely, definitely Marky Mark. I had forgotten that Jenny did you remember that Jenny McCarthy dated Jim Carrey? Yes. I totally forgot about that till I was listening to a gossip tabloid show the other day. I was like, I totally forgot that they dated. They were a thing for a while, I think. A long time. Is that who her baby daddy is? Jim Carrey? No. No, I don't believe so. I wonder, I can't remember who her baby daddy is. No telling. That's a future Google. No telling. That is. That's Elizabeth.
SPEAKER_01We say we're gonna Google and then never do. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Right. Yeah, so I've missed our chatter, I've missed our stories, missed chatting about what's going on. But what did you see trending in Europe? Anything?
SPEAKER_01I can't say that a ton of stuff really stuck out. I feel like um I because I was in such different and diverse places, you know. So like, yes, I I was in Italy, so generally that's a little bit more fashion forward. Um, but by the same token, but you were not in the city, you know, like I'm not in Milan. I fly into Milan and then I drive all the way out, you know. So I don't see as much of like the what is the epicenter of fashion when I'm there. Um, but I just think overall, like it's just more of a casual um like less is more kind of makeup and hair look, you know. I I never think that anything is really um nothing's super overdone. Like there's not some super glam, full glam kind of face makeup going on, um, which I kind of like because I do kind of think less is more. Less is more. Less is more. Um so I'd say that was kind of the vibe that I got in Italy. And then um when we were in the Netherlands, um, I mean, I would say the hair and the makeup is about non-existent, honestly. Um but the clothes are a lot different. The clothes are like casual. The clothes are very casual and they're all very functional. This sounds like New England. It's kind of New Englandy. It's kind I would give it that. It's kind of New Englandy. Um it's uh the clothes are very functional because I mean you gotta think these people are riding bikes 75% of the time. So like I did not. I mean, I saw people in dresses, I will say, I saw people in dresses on a bike. On a bike. Um the most wild thing in was the people riding on bikes with others. But there was like not like in a a bicycle made for two. It wasn't made for two, is the point. It was just a normal bike, and they'd like find a spot to sit their rear end on.
SPEAKER_00Kind of like growing up with kids.
SPEAKER_01Yes, okay. Where you but like at least when we were kids, we had those like pegs where you stood on them and like held on to your friend.
SPEAKER_00Or even as old as I am, it was really cool to have. And both of you could sit on that. Okay, there was there was no banana seats.
SPEAKER_01This was like one person sitting on a normal bike seat, and then there was just like a little flat spot that would could have been like a a little rack over the back wheel, and somebody would just sit their butt on there. Or they would sit on like the like the the crossbar at the front of the bike. I I can't even what about the bars? I did not see that, but I'm just thinking like this is I mom goes, don't you feel like their core has to be solid? Because could you imagine sitting still? They're not holding on to anything, they're just sitting still, riding down the street with no actual seat to sit on. And like she's right. Yeah, that's crazy. You'd have to have a strong core. I'm not I'm not made for that. I'm definitely not made for that.
SPEAKER_00Like surfers would have to have a strong core to hold themselves up.
SPEAKER_01And I was trying to oh one person I saw, I saw a girl. I saw a girl being the peddler of the bike, and her boyfriend is like sitting on the bike with her. I'm just thinking, uh, Brian would never. He would never be like, all right, babe. Was he a small guy? No, they're not, they're Dutch people, they're not small. They're all like 6'17 and a half, like they're all huge. No, it was crazy. I was like, Brian could never be like, all right, well, come pick me up for our date, babe. I'm gonna hop on the back of your bike, pedal us up the bottom up to the bar.
unknownLike never.
SPEAKER_01The chivalry was not quite there, I would say.
SPEAKER_00That is so okay.
SPEAKER_01So uh I would say their their fashion is is not fashion forward, it's just functional. Very functional.
SPEAKER_00So I don't know if you've been seeing a lot on your TikTok or your Instagram, but I've been seeing a lot about this old money bob.
SPEAKER_01I have caught up on that. I have seen it a couple times. I have seen it a couple times. I know better than to cut my hair in a bob, but again, because I had it for a lot of years.
SPEAKER_00Um, but it is cute. But there's different variations too that could suit different, and I'm not saying for you, but in particular, but there's different variations of the bob that people can. I think it's very it can be very versatile.
SPEAKER_01Um for me, a bob is so much work.
SPEAKER_00I guess I can't.
SPEAKER_01Because I don't have a natural wave in my hair like you do. Like you can kind of just like you know, scrunch your little bob and adios, and you're great for three days. I had to actually style my hair every day when I had a bob.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think short hair can be more work than long hair. It is for me. For sure. It is for me. Especially short, short, like pixie short.
SPEAKER_01But at least that's fast work. I mean, definitely have to do it every day, but it's three seconds of blow drying. And God, how I took like 20 breaks the other day while I was drying my hair at the salon. I don't know how you do it. I legit took breaks. I turned off the blow dryer and like scrolled on Instagram for a couple minutes to get myself a heat break, an arm break. Like I I took breaks. And then last night I did my hair so I mean I loved my hair last night, I will say, but there's a lot of product in it. I couldn't even get my hands through it this morning. I was like, oh no, uh uh-uh. This is not happening. Well, with the humidity, yeah. Like I but I put, I mean, I had powder puff in there. I just I just sprinkle it everywhere. There's powder puff everywhere. There's powder puff all over the bathroom, probably now. So that texturizing powder was everywhere, and then I went in to my ponytail and like teased it and also sprayed it with the um with the bedroom hair, the wax spray. And I mean, it looked great. I did love my hair last night, but it's it's unwell today.
SPEAKER_00You know, a side effect of that new product, night shift, I have found it breaks product down on the hair. Makes your hair softer, but it also feels like the whatever product you do have on your hair, it's broken down.
SPEAKER_01If only I had some night shift, I could break down this product today.
SPEAKER_00Possibly. I had to shampoo my hair this morning because I got caught in a little drizzle out walking.
SPEAKER_01And that's just humid city and just curly curls.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So so one topic that a lot of clients have brought up in the salon is why is my hair thinning? Oh my gosh. Is my hair thinning? Is all the time shedding?
SPEAKER_01Every single I don't you feel like say you have six clients a day, three of them are asking this. Do you think do you notice my hair thinning? A hundred percent. Can you see a difference? Do you think it's thinner? Which, I mean, for one, is a little hard to quite recall what everybody's hair was like four to six weeks ago.
SPEAKER_00I just look at my hands after either shampooing or um, you know, while I'm styling their hair, combing through their hair. If a lot of hair is coming off onto my hands, then therefore I know.
SPEAKER_01Or like when you're doing that initial, like when they first sit down and you're kind of brushing through their hair before you go wash, and it's just like hair is everywhere all over the back of the chair. I'm like, good night, this is a lot of hair coming out of here. Holy cow! So that's kind of an indication. I do kind of peep at the shampoo bowl in the little trap, you know, the hair trap. Um, if I didn't notice earlier, then I'll pay attention at that point. But I we are getting it a lot. We are getting it a lot, and I think that there's a lot of factors that go into why, don't you, Hall?
SPEAKER_00100%. First and foremost, it's your diet. I think people take for granted that what goes in comes out in one way or another, whether it's our skin, our hair, nails, all of the things. And honestly, not many of us do a great job all the time eating the way we should be eating. That's fair.
SPEAKER_01I think um, you know, also we've got a wide range in our clientele, I would say, um, as far as age ranges, um, you know, from teenagers 20s, 30s, 40s, you know, up into women in their 80s. So we definitely see all the hormonal changes um in our clients on any given day. So, you know, you've got the, you know, young teenager who's maybe just starting, you know, her period, so therefore her hair is a little bit changed, you know, any of those hormonal changes that come with that. Like I remember mine was always got curlier. If it anytime I like my hormones changed, it was curly. Um and then it would kind of level out and be straight again, and then I would change something else and it would get curly again. Um, so we're seeing that with hormonal changes. Um, and then that brings in, you know, the perimenopause and the menopause stage.
SPEAKER_00And and the the shifting of the estrogen and progesterone makes a difference in the hair cycle. So it shortens that growth cycle of there's different hair cycles as far as the growth. There's um, you know, the growth period, the dormant period, and the shedding period, basically to summarize it as simple as possible.
SPEAKER_01Um, so I think a lot of the goals of many of the you know hair growth products are to keep you in that growth stage longer. And that in turn keeps the shedding, you know, the the pause period, the you know, waiting period and the shedding period shorter.
SPEAKER_00So it keeps that growth section longer is the goal. Right. And I mean you can stay in a growth period for up to seven years, depending on what stage of life you're in and how old the follicle is, right? Because during that phase it's growing, growing, growing, but when you're older, that short might shorten, or when you're going through a major illness, a major weight loss, all of the things that your body is not used to, or a sudden upset sh definitely shortens that phase.
SPEAKER_01Something that I don't think a lot of people know is um how much anesthesia affects your hair growth, and it really um you can see that immediately, you can see that up to three months after a major surgery. Um, but that really affects your hair growth stages, and it kind of like your body kind of flips out and doesn't quite know what to do. So then all of a sudden, like it just goes straight to the shedding phase or something like that, and it's like, oh my gosh, I'm losing all this hair. I don't understand why. I don't understand why, nothing's happened, you know. But it's three months, you know, post op, and your body's like, yeah, I'm confused still. So I'm just gonna get rid of this because I don't know what to do. I don't know what to be doing. Um, but your body shifts in and out of these stages all the time without you even realizing it, honestly. Um, but there are things that can definitely affect it.
SPEAKER_00Trigger, yeah, for sure. Major weight loss, surgery, medication, hormones, age factors in, all of the things. And it takes about three months for positive or negative to show up in.
SPEAKER_01So, you know, you start a new medicine and you don't notice anything, and then three months down the line, you're shedding, or your hair's super thick, or whatever. You've got a ton of new growth up at the hairline. You're like, what is I haven't even, I'm not even taking any biotin. What the heck's going on? And it's just, you know, your new medication, that's a great side effect. I don't know if any medications have that side effect, but like we said, we're not a doctor.
SPEAKER_00You can definitely plug it in. You can plug it into Google, you can plug it into any of the online options to see if that's a side effect of the medication you are taking.
SPEAKER_01But I think it's important to remember that it takes a little bit to see any sort of changes. Um, good and bad.
SPEAKER_00Good and bad.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so about three months.
SPEAKER_00And I would just say a normal shedding amount is 50 to 100 hairs. Do you have to literally count every hair that falls off? No, because they're shedding throughout the day, they're falling out of your hair as we speak, you know, walking, shaking your head, changing clothes, brushing your hair, combing your hair, shampooing. Doesn't a hundred hairs a day seem like so much, though?
SPEAKER_01Every time I've heard or retold that fact, I I'm like, that's that's so much. Is that right? So much. But like it is right. I just that feels like a lot.
SPEAKER_00Right. And a healthy hair follicle holds on to the hair before shedding it once uh a hair underneath is already in production. That's a healthy hair follicle. And so when it sheds out the hair that's old, a new hair is to follow.
SPEAKER_01So we have a lot, don't you feel like you have a lot of clients that ask about using the monoxidil?
SPEAKER_00Yes. So what the minoxidil does is it it's not going to actually promote more hair to grow in the sense of it's not correcting the issue at hand. Right. And again, we're not doctors. So a lot of times what happens is there's a hormone, DHT, that's within our body that can shorten that hair growth phase and cause us to shed hair and leaving our hair in a dormant stage. So after it sheds, it's not actually following it with a new hair. And so most of the time for the quickest fix, there's products that we can use topically that helps counteract some of the DHT that our bodies produce, whether it be a shampoo and a conditioner, or it could be um, I think they even make oral medicines to help fight the DHT in some cases. But again, you would have to talk to a doctor about that. But as far as the umxidil, you have to keep using it in order to keep the hair that you've grown with the monoxidil medication.
SPEAKER_01Am I correct or incorrect in saying that? It increases like the blood flow to those places, to those places to grow hair.
SPEAKER_00Minoxidyl is not going to affect the DHT. It's a vascular dilator. So it does so a va a vasodilator is something that opens up the blood flow. And it prolongs, yes. So, but also with that, if you think about your iron levels in your blood, or that is a little vehicle that drives all the blood flow to certain areas of our body, especially men don't bald in the nape of their head because we have the richest blood flow in the nape of our head. Very rarely do women thin back there. Most of the time, the thinning happens in the front of our hairline. Even think about when your hair was growing back from chemo. It grew in the front last. That is true. That is true. Right? So that's like the last part of our head to get the blood flow. So anything that would increase the blood flow to the top of your head, like a massage brushing back in the old school days, how they'd say brush your hair 50 times before bed, you know, that's just increasing the blood flow. And also there's some exfoliating going on there with the brushing to get rid of dead skin cells. It's creating, it's getting rid of the shedding of the hair, the the dead stuff, basically, and just increasing the So we should really just go back to those Marcia Brady days where we're brushing our hair and counting 101. I know. And then if you think about it, it distributes the oil down the hair.
SPEAKER_01It really is healthy. I I certainly don't make time for that, but it definitely is good for your health. Either do I. Of your scalp. Which pronounce hair growth in that. So um, so I think that my cautionary tale, I guess, with the minoxidil is it does work. Sure. If you have a healthy hair follicle up there, it is going to work. If it's your hair follicles already dead because like aging or whatever, it's dead. And like no amount of products or whatever the heck other than a hair transplant, it's gonna get your hair growing there again. But let's say your hair follicles are healthy, they're just dormant, and they're not getting undormant, and you want more hair growth. The minoxidil will work, okay? Because it's gonna open up those blood vessels, you're gonna get that blood flow there, it's gonna remind your hair follicles what to do and to say, hey, get out of your resting phase, get back in this active phase, let's start growing hair again. However, once you see all this hair and you're like, oh my gosh, I love it. I love my hair. It's so great, it looks awesome, it's full, it's thick. I don't think I need to use this monoxidyl anymore. You stop using it, it's gonna close down those open blood vessels that have been fueling your hair growth for all this time. So then you're suffocating those hair follicles, right? You're taking away that extra blood flow. Then that's when you're gonna start seeing that loss. And even more so, you probably see more loss than you had even before you started the minoxidile. So I think it gets worse if you stop it. So that's kind of my cautionary tale on that. So I, you know, I don't know, do you use minoxidile every day until you die? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Well, I just think you go back to basics. Like you eat a healthy diet, take a really good multivitamin that's rich in all of the vitamins, whether it be omega-3s, iron, vitamin D, zinc, biotin is a vitamin B. Make sure it's tested by a third-party testing facility to make sure that the potency is what they claim. And also, I didn't realize until I started looking on vitamins, but you can actually even order online tests to do a blood test and send it off to see if your vitamins are even absorbing. Oh my gosh. I feel like we should order that test kit and just try it. Like, why not? I I mean it just sounds interesting. Because vitamins can claim whatever that it's gonna do this or do that, but until you actually know, everybody's body is different, so you don't know if it's absorbing to the fullest anyway.
SPEAKER_01You know what else I really have seen good um results with over the years is collagen. And I like uh liquid collagen. I feel like that absorbs better for me than like the powder collagens that I've put in my coffee. Like to I to that I feel like it's kind of a placebo for me. I don't think everybody feels that way, but for me, I felt like it was a placebo to put it in my coffee and call it a day. But I like the ones that's like have a tablespoon of this collagen, and it sort of tastes gross, but just down the hatch, let's go. I have always seen good results with that. The problem with that is I it's expensive. It's always expensive. Yeah, sure. And then I'm like, oh, that was so great. My hair looks so great. And then I go through like, you know, the month's supply of the bottle, and I'm like, oh, do I have to buy more? Oh, that's so much. So I get off it, but I do feel like there's good results from it for sure.
SPEAKER_00And all co all collagen is is a protein found in the body that helps, helps it's a building block basically for our hair.
SPEAKER_01Right, and then but as we get older, that it just doesn't, it's not as we don't have as plentiful of a supply.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. Along with elasticity, along with you know, our cell turnover slows down, all of that slows down. And with that being said, that's part of the reason also within the growth phase of the hair, if you're older, people will might say, My hair seems finer to me, does it to you? And a lot of times it's because of that shortened growth cycle that the hair that's being produced isn't as fat as it was prior in younger years. That can happen to you. I don't know that. Yeah. And like we said, a normal you know, shedding is 50 to 100 hairs, but just also keep in mind that if you have wavy or curly hair and you're not brushing your hair every day out, all of those loose hairs get trapped within the curls. So when you do wash it, it may seem like using more, yes, than somebody with finer, straighter hair. That makes sense though. That makes sense. Because it's all trapped in. And then the other thing is if you're not shampooing your hair every day nor brushing it every day, when you do go to wash it, it's going to feel like you're losing more than 50 to 100 hairs. So what I would do is just get a screen to put over your trap, you know, your drain trap, and kind of monitor and see what's the normal cycle of shedding for you, and then just keep your eye on it from there.
SPEAKER_01I don't usually freak out and like suggest that my women go see a doctor, for example. And, you know, because like a lot of women are you know very conscious of how much hair they're losing. I don't um when I used to say I would be more concerned if it came out in a whole patch. If you're just seeing a lot of loss, but it's globally, it's over your whole head. It's not just like I have a circle, a dime size patch on my head that completely fell out. I'm like, okay, you should definitely see a doctor that about that. Like if you have a bald spot.
SPEAKER_00Haven't you seen that before? Yeah. And usually it grows back. It's usually stress-related if you lose it in an area, like a circular area.
SPEAKER_01It's usually stress. So, I mean, that's definitely go see a doctor conversation, but like just overall a good bit of loss. Like, I don't stress out about that as much. But I mean, as women, we do stress out. And so the answer is, you know, just stop stressing. Well, yeah, okay. If we could do that, we would, obviously. Um, we could stop.
SPEAKER_00It that's that's the dumbest advice you could give to anyone.
SPEAKER_01I'm not sleeping at night. Oh, well, can you just relax? Oh, yeah, I hadn't that hadn't occurred to me yet. Like, yeah, can you put me on drugs, please? That hadn't occurred to me to just, oh, relax. Wow, that's revolutionary.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Have you had any of your clients? I believe you have had the PRP, is it PRP? The platelet injections. Uh platelet uh plasma and platelet rich plasma. That's what it's called. Um, I have.
SPEAKER_01I I I did see some growth, although it just seems very aggressive of a treatment to me. I it just seems like a lot because I I feel confident in saying that I have seen women regrow their hair with topical products or you know, whatever, in the same way as the PRP regrowth happened.
SPEAKER_00I don't feel like it was that revolutionary. Right. What about um hair plugs or transplants? I don't know that I've had have you had anyone with hair transplants before?
SPEAKER_01Oh maybe once. I think I did have a guy a long time ago that had them. But I was kind of new as a hairstylist and don't think I quite knew exactly what I was encountering.
SPEAKER_00Um so in that case, they graph it from usually a richer, richer, denser part of the scalp and transport it to the front. So you'll see when you're in a like in Atlanta, say, you'll see billboards that will say hair transplants from $2 a graft. That's literally like $2 a follicle. That's a lot. So so it sounds cheap, but if you think about I am going back to beauty school to try to go off memory, but I know gingers or strawberry blondes have the fewest amount of follicles on their head at any given time. If you are a natural ginger, and then so I can't remember the range.
SPEAKER_01Do you I don't remember the numbers, but I do know that us gingers have less hair on our heads than everyone else. Even if we have like it looks like we have this thick head of hair. Um, I mean, mine's smoke in mirrors, and if you know me, you already know it. My smoke in mirrors, but um, but gingers have less hair follicles on their head.
SPEAKER_00Okay, I just looked it up. Redheads and natural redheads only have about 90,000 follicles, the lowest density, but individual strands are typically thicker. Interesting. So black hair has about a hundred thousand follicles, natural black hair. Uh brunettes about 110, blondes 140, but usually individual strands are often finer for natural. I mean, that's true though.
SPEAKER_01I do feel like most of my blondes are very fine. I didn't think that blondes were the most, though. I think I thought brunettes were the most. But yeah, I I would have guessed. Well, blondes are the most by a lot. 140,000.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's a little bit. That's 50,000 more than an average redhead. Right. Right. So, like, what are what are easy solutions in your head for people for clients that sit in your chair and say, Oh, I just wish I had more hair. Is it automatically go to hair extensions? I wish. That's my solution.
SPEAKER_01That's always my solution. Uh, let's do hair extensions. Um, that's not my solution for all of my clients. That's my solution for me. Um, so that's definitely an option. Absolutely. And there's a number of different kinds that we can do these days. Um I have run the gamut, I've done the K-tip ones, I have done the sew-in ones, I've done the tape-ins. Right now I have tape-ins and I am loving them. Um, but that that's an option. It's it's a just frankly, it's a costly option, and it's time consuming because that's gonna be every eight weeks max. You're having to come back to the salon, get them taken out, get them bumped up, um, and reinstalled. So it's it's costly and time consuming for sure. But it is an option, and obviously my favorite option. There are products that we've talked about that will enhance hair growth, whether that's shampoos, conditioners, um, sprays, whatever the what. Um, I mean, I've seen good results with those.
SPEAKER_00I absolutely I use one every day or every time I shampoo my hair. And the other thing is, is I think people don't realize that underneath all of our hair is skin and scalp. And a healthy scalp promotes healthy hair growth. So keeping your scalp exfoliated and and also with that, we produce less oil as we get older. So typically, somebody that might have oily hair as a child, it slowly the oil production slows. But then those of us that are older and reaching perimenopause and menopause, our hair can feel drier because we have less natural oils on our scalp. Right.
SPEAKER_01So I think you kind of have to take that into account and make sure that you're adding those oils back into your hair where you never would have used a hair oil before. Maybe now you have a spot for it in your hair lineup, you know, um, using those oils to really help keep your hair healthy and keep your scalp healthy. Um so I think that's important to remember that as it gets drier, it does get more brittle and that your risk of it, you know, breaking down the hair shaft, not necessarily losing it at the scalp, but losing it somewhere down your hair shaft, and therefore it feels thinner.
SPEAKER_00Um Right. And it can feel a little more brittle coming out too. I know some clients that take um thyroid medications. That's like the worst. The thyroid medication is the worst. It is the worst.
SPEAKER_01It is so hard on your hair. And like, I I hate it. I hate when women tell me that they've just started a new thyroid medication or they're changing and they're trying to figure it out, and because I just know that they're gonna have their hair is gonna be the collateral damage in that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, our thyroid really controls our hair and our whole everything in that medication anyway, wreaks havoc on our hair. So in general, what's our what would you say our key takeaways would be to help people with hair loss? Our non-medical advice. Our non-medical advice. I would say start with vitamins and diet. Absolutely. Those are the two key just baseline. And some of it's genetics too. Like look at your your parents, look at your grandparents, look around you. And you know, it's been rumored that we get the hair gene from the mothers.
SPEAKER_01I think so, but gosh, don't you feel like sometimes that's like not at all the case?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's not true because we do mothers and daughters all the time, and it just isn't duplicated.
SPEAKER_01So I don't um I think definitely diet is important. Diet and vitamins are really important. I think also keeping up with your scalp health, um, which I am the literal worst at this, because if you know me, you know I only wash my hair every seven to ten days. So that means that I am putting a lot of dry shampoo on my hair week in and week out. Um, and so that's of course just build up on the scalp. So, like when I wash my hair, I definitely wash it really well and get all that off.
SPEAKER_00But the rest of the five days a week that I have it on my head, like that's probably not helping hair growth, which so really you should use like a maxi wash when you do, because it's higher in alpha hydroxy acids, which are gonna exfoliate.
SPEAKER_01So you could start with that and then just do your so I usually do that kind of maxi wash to really like get everything off of there, I give it a really good scrub, and then um I do the plumping, so that's promoting the hair hair growth. Um, and then I do the um the co-wash on my extensions to keep those nice and soft.
SPEAKER_00Um that's good. And then as far as for extensions, there is a range of you know, the amounts that we can put in people's hair to keep it budget friendly, just that's a conversation to have with your stylist. And then for our gentleman clients, just what do you think? Just stick with the products.
SPEAKER_01I do think stick with the products. I think that's a good um, I think that's a good solution for you. I mean, generally speaking, hair grafts are not a feasible solution for most men.
SPEAKER_00No, because that could be a ten thousand dollar very painful journey.
SPEAKER_01Um so I don't think that's super feasible for most people. So I would say just keep up with the topical products. I do feel like most men just go the minoxidal route, and that's fine. I don't think that it's um, you know, I mean, their hair is so short, to be honest, you know. Um back to that extensions um and the the differences that we can do on that. Um, like I do a whole head of extensions, but what kind of options do you do on some of your women who maybe are not losing it in the back, but like could use a little bit of help? What do you do there?
SPEAKER_00I find using the little microbead extensions helps a lot because A, if anybody's had a facelift, their hairline is that much further back. B, just natural aging postmenopausal, because many of the women that I do use the micro beads on are at least a decade out from having a period, say. So that lack of estrogen in our body has really affected the hair growth cycle. And then um just putting it even underneath or near the front of the hairline, they have a little bit they're more forgiving. So do you just like kind of fill in those kind of recession areas up front with them, generally speaking, or yeah, usually I'll start at you know, about an inch or two above the ear and um just cover over the ear, and then just kind of my eye is my guide as to where to place them on someone where I feel like they need a little bit more help.
SPEAKER_01So I think I mean some people would be totally new novice to extensions and not really know, like, do you just treat them like your normal hair? Do you can you put them up? Can you blow dry them? Can you curl it? Like what do you color them? Like what happens with all that?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you can you can basically treat it like your normal hair, but you have to learn how to brush your hair or to comb your hair, and you have to go from the bottom up, if that makes sense, versus just taking your hairbrush from the scalp to the ends or scalp to tips of your hair. So just like start at the base of your hair and just gradually detangle it up. Your extensions are not going to get the oil, the natural oils from our scalp. So you have to keep be mindful about that and be mindful that you definitely need heat protectant on them, but because you can use heat. Um you can use a hairdryer, all of the things, but just they need to be moisturized and they need to be protected. Okay. Really, everything we should do with our own. Well, it is real hair, after all. It is real hair. It's human hair. It depending on the quality and how hard you are on your hair, depends on how frequently you have to replace the hair. Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01But I mean, that's usually a couple maybe a once or twice a year replacement. I don't I think I might maybe twice, but I usually get a good eight, ten something months out of my hair, I think.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that makes sense because usually with average people, we have to bump them up about every eight weeks, and then, you know, so you're gonna get, you know, generally speaking, six to twelve months out of hair. I agree.
SPEAKER_01Um I but I do want people to know that it's not like you aren't just stuck with thinning hair and then nothing like this is the only option. You have thinning hair and that's it, and it's just sad and it's gonna get worse and worse and worse. Like there are options. You know, there are options to make you feel more confident in your hair, even when you feel like it's thinning.
SPEAKER_00And really, some of the plumping products um it really do help make a difference, just even with the styling. Like even the texture powder you said, that's a really good. Or just using a volumizer or a thickening lotion of sorts will help make those strands feel a little fatter and feel denser, which makes us feel like we've got more going on and like we've got more volume in our hair and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01So I think there's a lot of good products to help with whichever your situation is. Whether you're wanting more growth or your whiler, you're just wanting to make it look like what you've got is bigger.
SPEAKER_00That's right. So that's right. Um, anything else to add about this? So just take your vitamins and take care of your scalp and and then figure out the products that are best for you.
SPEAKER_01And maybe just change in your hairstyle. And change your hairstyle if you need to. Sometimes just change your parts, switch your part to the other side, do it in the middle, do something else, and mask some of it, you know? That's also an option. So I think that's it for today.
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