Balancing Business, Hyrox & Recovery with Jordan

In this episode of the Gregor and Hattie Podcast, Gregor and Hattie are joined by friend, Hyrox athlete, business owner and all-round grafter Jordan. From running a carpentry and property business with his brothers to training twice a day while renovating his own home, Jordan shares what it really takes to pursue high-level performance whilst balancing work and life. 

The conversation dives into the realities of Hyrox training, the sacrifices that come with chasing performance, and the lessons learned from injuries, setbacks and pushing the body to its limits. Along the way, the trio share stories from their recent trips to Berlin, discuss race day nutrition, recovery hacks, sleep routines, and the surprising amount of money that can disappear into training, supplements and competitions. 

Jordan explains how consistency has been the key to his progress, why many athletes make the mistake of training too hard too soon, and how finding the right balance between work, recovery and performance has helped him continue improving year after year. The discussion also explores the importance of structured training, the realities of double training days, and the mindset required to compete at a high level while managing a busy professional life. 

Expect plenty of laughs as the conversation moves through Berlin race weekend stories, travel mishaps, race-day nerves, nutrition strategies, recovery experiments, early morning training sessions and the ongoing pursuit of better performance. 

Packed with fitness insights, relatable experiences and honest reflections on what it takes to keep showing up every day, this episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at the world of Hyrox and the people committed to becoming better athletes while juggling everything else life throws at them.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:07

My name's Gregor.

SPEAKER_02 0:08

And my name's Hattie.

SPEAKER_01 0:09

And this is the Gregor and Hattie Podcast.

SPEAKER_02 0:11

Where we're going to talk everything gym, life, relationship, work, a bit of everything, really.

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Yeah, and also you guys, as we'd love you to get involved. Welcome back to the pod. This is episode seven, and today we've got a very special guest with us. Yay!

unknown 0:25

Hello.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Jordan. Jordan. So Jordan is a good friend of mine, um, good friend of Patty's as well. We actually met in JD Gyms, um, and we both we both love high rocks. Simple as that.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

And you both meet through our Ibiza trip.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

Yeah, pretty much. Kind of, yeah. Kind of, yeah. So we actually met in the gym and then and then you tagged along. Yeah, he was sending me, we were mostly sending each other on Instagram like similar music, and I was like, Oh, this guy. We like the same thing. Still happens daily. Yeah, still happens daily. Um, but yeah, we trendly went to Ibiza together and then train most days together and stuff. So, Jordan, tell me a little bit if people that people that don't know you, tell us a little bit about like what you get up to in the day, um, like what a typical week looks like for you at the moment.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

Uh so I work full-time, got a carpentry business and a property business uh with my two brothers. Nice. Um, and then I train twice a day. Every day? Every day, pretty much. Um, kind of obsessed with high-roll. Kind of. Yeah, kind of. Um, and yeah, just flattered. And then I'm also renovating your own home, aren't you? Renovating my own own home, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Yeah, which is mad. Pretty much. What's this what's your main opinion about Jordan? What do you think about Jordan?

SPEAKER_02 1:41

What do I think about him? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

In a few words. In a few words.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

I think he's crazy. Crazy. I'll give you that.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

I think he is crazy. I mean, most people when you like speak about Jordan, it's usually like, what are you have you seen the workout he's doing? Like a lot of people do talk like of the crazy stuff you do, you do some pretty crazy stuff. One example, I think he did like a half marathon on the ski. Yeah. To me, that's pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

How long does that take?

SPEAKER_00 2:11

Hour 24, I think it was. Yeah, crazy.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

What did I do?

SPEAKER_02 2:14

10 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Yeah. And you didn't like it. So you did the two two case.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

I had to do my testing.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Uh of course, yeah. And it took ten minutes. It didn't take ten minutes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Um do you know what? After the first like five minutes it got better.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

Surely the last five minutes should have if it's I think it's because I my technique got better. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Good practice makes perfect. Yeah. Getting better. How do you balance work, running a business, and training twice a day? I don't really know. I don't know. Just wing it. Just wing it. Just wing it, yeah. Um do you ever find like you get like burnt out?

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Sometimes, but it's like for a day. Yeah. And then if I get a good sleep, I'm kind of back to back to norm.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

But yeah, I feel like we all really I think we're all very similar. Like Jordan works like he grafts. But I feel like we because we're all doing a lot throughout the day, we end we eventually will burn out. I think like that will come what when would you say I burn out? Like every three weeks?

SPEAKER_02 3:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Maybe like one day where I'm once a month, maybe. Yeah. I think that's quite normal though. Yeah. Probably not good.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

But I think with your training, it's just that you've got to do it. Yeah, intense.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Yeah. Yeah. Where would you say you see yourself in a year's time from now? Obviously, you're like a he's like a top-level athlete at the moment. You're in the top 1% of most people.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Yeah, I want to keep chipping away at that. Still a little bit off the the top top. Yeah. Um, I think just the running, I need to improve on there.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Um, and yeah, just keep chipping away.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

I think it's like that's the like the standard now is like insane. Like everyone's just in getting better and better, which is crazy. But then so are you to be fair. You put the work in. We all put the work in, especially you. But how has Hyrocks changed your life, would you say?

SPEAKER_00 4:10

Fucking hell, it's cost an absolute forty.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Um it is a expensive sport. We worked out that we probably spent Berlin what, like $7.50, and that's like flights, accommodation, ticket. Yeah. And you went to Berlin twice.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Yeah, back-to-back weekends. Um yeah, it's not cheap. It's not cheap. But it's good fun. It's good fun.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

So you're saying at least you don't go to like America and those places.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

Not yet, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

No, so it's gonna get more expensive.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Yeah, yeah. Would you say I would like to tick a hope, New York, I think.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

Yeah, that's around something like that. That's on right now, isn't it? Is it? Yeah. Does it look good? Venue looks cool. Pier 76 or something, 68, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

You've done your research then.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Yeah, it just keeps popping up. Um but yeah, would you say it's made you more like productive? Would you say it's made you more like driven in in work life and stuff like that? Has it changed anything now? Because obviously you were into like bodybuilding.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

I've always been into the gym anyway. Um I think it's just kept me more consistent. Yeah. I feel like with kind of like bodybuilding before, it was so so up and down. Yeah. Kind of train for a holiday and then get back, and then the motivation kind of goes out the window. Whereas with high rocks, you want to just get back to it, don't you? Always have like an event booked, so you always just straight back to it. Just straight back to it.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Yeah. I think that's the most that's the most important thing for me, is like it keeps me driven every single day. Because with yeah, like you said, with like weightlifting, you come off holiday, you come off like going for drinks on the weekend, yeah, and you can't be asked. No, it takes you back to lose motivation.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

I think with this, it's just kind of like always gets you back in. So it's like the most consistent I've been.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

That's why I like it so much because it does get you back into it straight away. What would you say?

SPEAKER_02 5:58

I feel like you're trying to convince me.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

Keep looking at me. You'll you will love it. Yeah, you'll get the book. You've got your first one booked.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

I've got it booked, yeah. I'm just waiting for my plan now.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

I think it's coming. We're putting you through testing at the moment.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

Yeah. Is that all my testing done then?

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Yeah, you've just got your weightlifting, strength stuff. Oh. You like that bit.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

What one rep max it's all? Yeah, not sure about that.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

You got squat, overhead press, deadlift. Have you ever done lift deadlift before?

SPEAKER_02 6:26

Like a like a deadlift. No. No. Any RDLs?

SPEAKER_01 6:30

When you if you could, what would you do differently when you first started your high rocks journey? Now you started like what two, three years ago. What would you do differently this time? Um If you could start completely fresh.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

I felt like when I started, I was always trying to run too fast. Just kind of. That's where you pick up the niggles. Yeah. I used to pick up so many niggles like shin splints and hip injury. I was like injured all last season, I think, due to trying to run too quick. Um, and I think it is just slowing the running down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

I think that's where I've gradually building the volume up. Yeah. I think that's where my fault is at the moment, where and seeing everyone getting fast around me, so I'm like, oh, I need to run that fast, but I just can't. I'm not there yet. So it's like that's what's giving me the niggle in my calf because I'm trying to do workouts that are like 1K's repeats at 3.40. Like that's I don't think that's where I'm at yet.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Even though I can do it, yeah, my body can't deal with it. I notice it still. Um when we go run club, if you run too fast, you get like calves, um, smells that it ruins your body.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

Yeah. Um, but yeah, me and Jordan actually just flew all the way to Berlin for the second time. So Jordan did a pro solos and then he did a doubles with me um all week, so I I had to pull out after the burpees, um, after the sled push, someone didn't feel right. But Monday we did a big session, didn't we? Yeah before we flew out.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

It was like a we keep saying this, and I did that session too. It was and you told me that was fun to like get into it.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

All of a sudden I saw you just pick up your bag and leave the gym, so you only did half.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Yeah, but you you told me that was gonna be an easy session, and then now you've been saying you had a hard session on Monday.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

I think we maybe just pushed a bit hard, didn't we? We did push hard on the ski in the website. Yeah, so that long old session.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

What was it, hour forty? Hour forty, it should have been longer. You know, we had that block at the end as well. It's like eight minutes ski, eight minutes. Yeah, I forgot to talk about that. We set that off as well, yeah. So it should have been even longer.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

It would have been over two hours, then.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

Yeah, it would have been so that's what then the next day my calf, like going up my stairs, it just hurt a lot. And then went to run club. Probably shouldn't have gone to run club, I just had it in my head. You know when you have it in your head that you would do something. That's what I'm like on plan.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

I feel like I've got to sometimes you've got to listen to your body.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

I should listen to my body, and then something after that, then it really didn't feel right, and I didn't train Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, didn't even do a shake out running because I was like, it's bad. I didn't think I let on to how bad it was, but I was worried.

SPEAKER_02 9:00

You were like hobbling a bit.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Yeah, I was worried, but then I just thought, oh, if I rest it'll be sound of the day. Oh, I was wrong. I was wrong. It was like, yeah, that was awful. Where did you get to in the high rocks? Sled push is where it started to like really hurt, yeah, and then it just like felt like it just got tighter and tighter in, and then on the run after the pull, that's where I was like pretty much like limping. Got 500 metres in, and I was like limping. I was like, Oh, this is no good. This is no good. But yeah, we had to pull in.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

So you stopped after the burpees, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Yeah, I couldn't genuinely go go on.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

But we were all tracking you. Your mum and your sister were messaging going, What's happened? Yeah, what's going on? It looks like he stopped, and I was like, No, he's in the wall balls, but then it was like 30 minutes in. I thought, no, he's not in the walls.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

We're not that quick. Not yet. Think what we got 26 minutes through the walls. We did finish above Tim Venus, really. Yeah, we was top of the leaderboard for 50 hours, and then they've um DNF'd us. Yeah, DNF. They thought that's not possible.

SPEAKER_02 10:00

What? Because you because it said 30 something minutes.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

26, I think. Oh, was it?

SPEAKER_00 10:05

I think we were tracking it. It was about 55.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

All our runs were like between 3.40 and 3.45.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

You were feeling really good apart from your calf, weren't you?

SPEAKER_01 10:16

And I also put started to put that massage gun on it, and I thought I'd made it feel better. I aggravated it, I think. Really? Yeah, I think when you do use that, I should have like left it a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

So what are you doing now? Resting.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

Yeah, I'm not running.

SPEAKER_02 10:28

Because I've just been in the gym with you. I'm a bit confused.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

But yeah, I can use I can go to strength in the bike.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Oh, you just did bike?

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Yeah, I'm just not running, am I? What is your go-to meals before you race? So in the morning. Rice. In the morning. What would you have before your high rocks every mor in the morning with you? I have rice and honey. Rice and honey. Rice and honey, I think. I don't know how you do that. Um I used to have it in the mornings and I just couldn't stomach it.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

I was gonna say, yeah, you tried it.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

He quite likes it. Rice honey, a bit of salt. It's not too bad.

SPEAKER_02 11:04

Maybe you need to put the salt bit.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Yeah, you've got to add a little bit of salt. Yeah, well, I've tried it and it just doesn't go. I don't like to have anything that's gonna upset the stomach. Yeah. Because I've had bad races before. I know, yeah. You just needed the toilet mind. Yeah, turtle heading. Oh really? Yeah, it's a long race, Manchester.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Can you imagine that? Neat like turtleheading. Faraday was the worst. I thought. Did you not go to the toilet before you you raced?

SPEAKER_00 11:29

Yeah, it was just I my diet was just off plan that whole time. I yeah, tried to racing at like 9 pm. Was it the relay? No, we had the relay on the Friday, yeah, and then stayed overnight and then was there Saturday, and we was racing at like 20 to 9. Oh, it's late. But then I didn't prep any food, I just took like bagels, and I think I'm having like bagels and jam, but gluten just doesn't go well. Doesn't go well. I think I got to the sled push and then I tried a new jar, and that was it.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

Did you do the whole race?

SPEAKER_00 12:00

I finished it, yeah. Was it singles or doubles? Doubles with Jake. Jake. But it won't a good race. That must have been. And just ran straight to the toilet. Didn't get a photo, I just went to the toilet.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Yeah. Oh, that's awful. Can you imagine that? Yeah. I've never needed that.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

Some people just go to the toilet whilst they're doing it.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

Yeah. Oh yeah, that's gonna mess your time up. Big bumper, innit? Yeah. Yeah, I've seen that.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

Some people just like Yeah, in Cardiff, it was part of the track, wasn't it? You just run straight to the toilet.

unknown 12:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

I don't know. I just think like I just don't need the toilet. I don't even need to go for a toilet.

SPEAKER_02 12:30

If you're doing it to get a good time, then obviously. Yeah, there's no time for toilet. But some people just do it to complete it, don't they?

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Yeah. Mad. That must have been awful. Um and then in the evening, so if you were racing at like 9 pm, what would your meals be?

SPEAKER_00 12:45

So like from morning, lunch, so like pre-race, I try and I don't have any fibre or protein. It's carbs. Yeah. Um, like easy, like digesting carbs. Yeah. So if you like rice and honey or like cereal, I have gluten-free cereal.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Yeah, because on the day of Berlin you had. Did you have rice and honey in the morning?

SPEAKER_00 13:08

So no, I had cereal first and then rice and honey twice. Twice. You had that. Usually the night before I do have a bag of Haribo.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

Well, and that was your meals through the day. Yeah, on a side. Cereal, rice and honey, rice and honey.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

Yeah. Yeah. And then That's what we had. That was it, wasn't it? You didn't have riches looking like what? What an awful day. Yeah. The thing is though, we're like, we've paid to go to Berlin, right? On holiday. This this class is a holiday. It's the worst thing. And it's like you're eating that on a holiday. Yeah. It's yeah, it's no good.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

That's why you do your race on the day you get there, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 13:39

Yeah. Yeah, ideally.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

Because you're kind of You had a whole nother day, didn't you?

unknown 13:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

Yeah, we had a club. That was nice there. Yeah. Even though we woke up, we've gone out on the Saturday, Berlin. If you've ever been to Berlin, they just don't let you in the clubs. If you're a group of lads, you've either got to be with girls, or you've got to be like just two of you. They just do not let your groups of lads in. Anyway, it was a nightmare to get in. We didn't get in anywhere the first night.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Did you not just not gone round together?

SPEAKER_01 14:05

Yeah, we did, we tried tried everything that day. Yeah. Just flying round in Ubers at the time. Honestly, we must have paid like. I reckon I must have paid like 50 quid on Ubers that day. Really? That wasn't just me though, but like Will Will's obviously paying for them, you're paying for them, like we're all paying for them. But we were flying around Berlin trying to get in somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

You got in last year, like was it two years ago? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

We had an event book, didn't we? But we got there a bit late. Because we raced late. Turned up, I think everyone. It was closing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Where's everyone? Yeah. They were starting like, you know, with like the fence and stuff, they were like putting it away.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

I know, that was how late were you?

SPEAKER_00 14:40

But it looked good, didn't it? Yeah, it looked good in the day. I don't know. What time do you reckon we got there?

SPEAKER_02 14:44

Oh, it was like a day event.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

It was there at like 11. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

Was it eleven we got there?

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Yeah, it was an open air event, so I think it was like more of a day event.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

Oh, well, it closed at three, but they were closing it.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

Yeah, I didn't really get that. Oh. Yeah, God knows. Did you we didn't really go in either? So we're starting to. We did a loop, didn't we? And then you backdoored. Yeah, it was no good. But yeah, they may be killing out of us that night on Ubers. But then the next day was really good, to be fair. Well, the the start of the day was we went back to the venue. We were like, what are we gonna do? It was flagging a little bit, weren't we? We were flagging.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Why did you go back to the venue? Um felt safe there.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

Yeah. I think we just like it, don't we? No, it was it was a good setup, yeah. It's good. Berlin is good. Like they had a lot going on.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

You mean you went back to the high rocks?

SPEAKER_01 15:25

Yeah. But there was like a lot going on, like loads of good food places.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

Oh, okay, fair. Did you have to pay for a another tick uh like day?

SPEAKER_01 15:33

No, our um ticket got us in all weekend. That was quite good that they did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Usually like it was £20 and it was like for the the first so £20 for the first weekend or £20 for the second weekend. Or it's the whole weekend's including your ticket. Pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Oh what? So you had it from because you raced anyway. I raced, just in the weekend before you could have gone the weekend after anyway.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Don't know after it was just the weekend. That weekend, yeah. But it was good that they did that. Because usually they're like £10 for next day, £10 for the next day.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

It's more than that, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Is it more is it like £20?

SPEAKER_02 16:09

When you're abroad, I think it's cheaper. Oh really? Yeah. But UK's more expensive.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

It is, yeah. Now you're very into your recovery and sleep, aren't you? I think we all are, but we all would like to know what is the most crazy thing you've tried to help you sleep. Kiwis.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

I've tried kiwis, two Kiwis full day. With the skin on. With the skin on, yeah. They're not nice. Yeah. I feel like you've got to try them for like a month to see if they work. But trying to do that every day must have been.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

Well, Greg heard you did it and he went and bought the kiwis. I think they're still in the fridge a year ago.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

Yeah, I I was buying loaves and just wasn't getting through. I couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Sounds like a good idea, and then you like look at it and you're like, Yeah, you're just eating it, and it's just like, oh, this is grim.

SPEAKER_01 16:55

Before bed as well. I know.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

You've tried that. Um what else have you tried? Well, there's a few things like no phone before bed, they've asked me about that, but I just can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think you've tried that.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

Yeah, I've had in my head I'm gonna try it, but it just didn't.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Doesn't happen. 30 minutes, you should put it like put it in another room.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

You can't you could do that.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

No, I couldn't.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

But you take take magnesium, don't you? Magnesium, yeah. And then I try to go to bed at the same time. Yeah. Every night. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

What time's that?

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Ideally, like half nine. Because my alarm would go off at quarter five.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

Every day?

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Most mornings.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Oh, so this is what you do every day, what we did today? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

And you went, I feel sick.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

I just can't train if I haven't eaten. Did you eat? No.

SPEAKER_00 17:41

I'll just have a hot.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

I guess, yeah. What's that got in it?

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Carbs. Yeah, I've got carbs, caffeine. I'll have a hot water and honey every morning. That's really good. He made me one of them when we were away. They're good.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Really good.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

Get get the pan out then.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Sadly got a cat with all the panels. That's actually tragic, that hot water.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

How much honey do you put in it?

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Oh good lie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

It's actually honey and a little bit of hot water.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Yeah, pretty. It did taste really good. I was like, drinking it. When did you make it me? It was um at the hotel. Yeah. Yeah, that was well good.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

You like tea with honey though, don't you? So similar probably.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Yeah, I did enjoy that. But yeah, you've tried some pretty crazy stuff. Is there anything else? You know, you I mean you're you see our messages all the time.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

Yeah, I just think, what the hell's going on?

SPEAKER_01 18:32

I'm sure there's something else, but I just can't think.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

There's loads of things.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

We've tried like certain tea. That tea from Holland and Barrett's good.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

I had that. You said sleep was like over two hours. That was good.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Do you still do that? No. It was the one that you couldn't um you couldn't stand the taste of it. You were like, tastes like it tastes like flowers. It's just like green tea. It was alright, I thought.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

Maybe it's a different one.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

I think it's in our cupboard.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Because it tastes like it tastes like garden. Oh it's like a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

I remember when I remember we went to the Holland and Barrett um that retreat thing. Yeah. And I had that drink and it had a lot of the stuff and then the tea had. And my deep sleep was insane. Yeah. I've never had deep sleep, but I didn't feel good when I woke up. I felt like wild tired still. But I think I was just because I wasn't used to it. I think it was one of those you have to get used to.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

Maybe. Are you used to the let me sleeps now?

SPEAKER_01 19:22

No.

SPEAKER_02 19:23

No, you still wake up puffing. No, they're brutal things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

They're not you straight out. How much do you spend on high rocks, supplements, gym memberships? Have you like actually carried it up? I haven't ever carried it up, no, but it's a lot.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

Probably rather not.

unknown 19:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

I think it was like 200 odd quid. 200 odd quid.

unknown 19:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

So that's that's Well, how long will that last?

SPEAKER_02 19:43

You're a month?

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Yeah, some last like 60 days, like the subscription. Right. Workout fuel, carbs and electrolytes, sleep, uh, multivitamin, amiga-free. Yeah, you must be.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

Well, I'm I must be like between probably not, but I must be between like 100 and 150 supplements a month. You're probably more than me. I reckon you're like plus Yeah, it's around the 200 mark on the supplements.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

I reckon just like that's about the um protein.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Yeah, you use protein powder. Yeah, so you've got that, David Lloyd, JD Jim, yeah, what else? Evalas? Yeah. We use that like once a fortnight, once a month. Yeah. Coach. Coach. So we all probably 500 mark. Maybe a little bit less.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Maybe a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

Yeah, it could be. It's a lot. It is a lot. But then you also have to think like we don't really I mean we drink. We don't drink like we used to now do it.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

It is like we said last year, we wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

This time last year it was like really sunny race. Both weekend, both weekend days.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

We did move into our flat as well, and it was like, oh, we live in town, let's go crazy. I think it was just nice to have it. The sun's out, I think. It's just yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Um but you haven't got a race book for a while now, so you probably will be getting out.

SPEAKER_01 21:11

Yeah, probably. But it's just like I think we just get in our heads like we see what the alcohol does to us. Yeah, it does. And it's no good for the training. No, it does set you back. It sets me back massively.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

Like mo you didn't really take as much notice.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

You just get on with it, whereas now you're kind of looking at the numbers, and it and we also like we come back from Berlin and like we had no motivation to do anything. Even though we trained the day we got back. Yeah, we did, yeah. Which was probably good, but like just motivation's not there either. It just messes you up. Like today is probably the first day where I'm like I'm feeling good again. Let's go. But that's what day is it? Wednesday. Yeah. See, that's annoying. And then if you drank again on the five years, then if we drank again on a Friday, Saturday, it's just it's one of them. But I do enjoy drinking, but it's just like no good for us. Yeah. But we'll see what's Summer. We've got a few like things booked in, haven't we? Yeah. Like events-wise and stuff like that. Whether we go to Duncan's again and do that again, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

We could just go early morning, 5am.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

What?

SPEAKER_02 22:13

Have a coffee and play some games instead of going out drinking.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Yeah. I don't think it's open at 5am.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Sorry. Well that I was just doing that for you guys. Plus you'll go now.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

You'll go, I feel sick. Like you did this morning because I woke you up at quarter to five. What time did we wake up today?

SPEAKER_02 22:28

Quarter to five.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

Twenty to five.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Twenty to five.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

Twenty to five. That wasn't agreed. Four forty. You don't like early mornings, do you? We'll do it again. Do you feel good now though?

SPEAKER_02 22:41

No. I'm starving hungry.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Really doesn't want to do this podcast. I hate it. Feel sick.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

Yeah, I'm going straight back to bed.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

I do find I do find my mornings like really entertaining when you're when you're trying to wake up at the time. What time do you wake up?

SPEAKER_02 22:58

Like seven.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

Seven. You don't.

SPEAKER_02 23:01

Yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Not seven. Come on. Have a day off.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

Yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

It's like eight, nine.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

Are you ever at home when I wake up?

SPEAKER_01 23:07

Yeah, I message you seeing like if you're awake for you and if you're doing any work, come on on your case. You ain't awake.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Oh, you do wake up at seven.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Alright. Next time we do this news. You can't get your alarm and go back to snooze. She's a queen of snoozing, aren't you? In fact, you snooze it this morning. Didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 23:24

I always put my alarm I put my alarm earlier so that I can snooze it.

SPEAKER_00 23:27

Snoozing's the worst. Jordan Ataliya.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

Trust me.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

Susan's no good. Nah, it's just harder to get up. I find if I go back to sleep for ten minutes, then I'm more tired. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:35

As soon as my arm it's a blessing.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

It's not the best thing to do, but what I do is it feels now I space. It's just harder, I find.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

I find as well, like if I wake up and just like look at my phone, really bad at not I know, but it wakes me up. Just have a little scroll.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

I quite liked how you wake me up this morning.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Yeah, because if I don't wake you up nice, I get it.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Yeah. It's kind of like a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

I was joking you. But like, if I don't wake you up nice, my god, it's like you turn into like a rottweiler, mate.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

Oh yeah, if you wake me up and if you just like took the covers off, like, get out of bed, I would go mental and it would freak me out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

What advice would you give someone if they were just starting their high rocks journey? How would you say to approach high rocks if you're a beginner and they've never run before?

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Yeah, having a structure gradually build up rather than jump in.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Volume's key, I think. Yeah. You can start off trying to copy people on Instagram, but it will come and bite you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

You just threw yourself in the deep end, didn't you, when you first started?

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Uh no, we all did a little bit, actually. Yeah. I definitely did. I was just trying to run. I was trying to run like run too fast, never had easy runs. It was always just run to what I feel like I can run.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

When you started though, there wasn't that much knowledge of how to train.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Everyone was just kind of it was a lot of guesswork. Yeah. It was a lot of guesswork. And then you just kind of see what people are doing on Instagram. You're like, I'll get that a bush. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like the worst thing you can do. And I think a lot of people are noticing that now. But we were trying to run at like I remember at JD, I was trying to run at like four-minute case on the treadmill. I should have never been doing that.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Like you throw up in like your first session.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Yeah, I did. I remember that. JD, yeah. And Will did. It was with Will Nolan and Matt Groves. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

Was it?

SPEAKER_01 25:23

And I had I was ill anyway. And oh that was how unfit I was. Do you remember what the times where you used to like do something and your heart rate used to spike, but you used to feel sick after? Did you ever have that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like you felt sick for ages. I'm now so fit that I don't ever get that again. But it's so weird. Like that was how unfit I was. I think that's how when you're really, really unfit, that's what it's like.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

That's how I I felt when I was like, But you get like that.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

That coppy feeling in your neck. Oh, that is the world. I don't want to feel that ever again. But I remember going into the JD's toilet and laying on the floor going, I hope this ends. I hope this ends.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

Laying on the floor in the toilet.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

Yeah, because I was felt sick. Awful. What are you doing down there, man? It was well bad. Um but yeah, I definitely would say like volume, try not to copy people on Instagram. Yeah. And social structure's key. Structure. And make your easy days easy. Easy days easy. Hard hard your hard days hard.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

I've heard that's like your mantra at the moment. Yeah. I've heard that a few times recently. Have you? Yeah. Easy days easy, hard days hard. I'm trying to say it to myself.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

Because even I'm like doing my easy days and then I'm just like running too good, mum. What am I doing? Just chill.

SPEAKER_03 26:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

That's why I love the whole thing. You just get excited. Yeah. What is something that's taking your high rats training to the next level, would you say?

SPEAKER_00 26:42

Um double days, I think. I think double days do. Yeah, because we used to train once a day, mind. Yeah, didn't we? For ages. Six days a week, whereas I think we now it's like Is it double days every day? Twice a day, seven days a week. No, it's not. It is. Pretty much. You might have to. Apart from like a Sunday where it runs like a flush through. But seven days a week.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

Do you know what is really bad?

SPEAKER_02 27:08

When do you rest?

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Do you know what is really bad, I'd say? Is I used to feel guilty for missing a session when I used to do bodybuilding. Yeah. I felt guilty for missing that session. Now if I miss one session out of the two, I feel guilty again. That's bad that, I think. Yeah, that is bad. I hate that feeling of feeling guilty, but I get it if I miss miss a session.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

Yeah, the one it's like, I haven't done enough.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

I know it's so bad, isn't it? I haven't done enough. But I think we've built ourselves up to that. We can I don't think doing double day straight away. No. No, you can do after what, two and a bit years now? Yeah. And your body does adapt to it as well. Yeah. Like the volume, you usually like we'd usually get like DOMS, wouldn't we? We don't really get DOMs anymore unless it's like a tough, tough session.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

So when you say double day, what is the both the sessions?

SPEAKER_00 27:57

Like one a run and pretty much yeah, fresh old run in the morning and then maybe like fresh old erg in the evening. Oh. Um strength and then some kind of threshold session. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:11

And are they both like how long? An hour?

SPEAKER_00 28:14

Um the strengths are like hour, hour and a half. Yeah. And then yeah. Varies between like an hour. Two, three hours of training a day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

I would say.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

Yeah. With like the warm-up and the cool down. Yeah. Takes off a lot of your life. It's probably like two hours, but if it's strength, strength usually goes over the hour, so it's probably like two, two in a bit. Um then you've got to get back from the gym.

SPEAKER_02 28:40

That's a long that's the time of your day spent training.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yeah, that's what I forget about get up, go to the gym, work all day, straight back to the gym. Yeah. Train. Get in the spa. Spa and then yeah, David. Bit of kiwi, sleep. Bit of kiwi, and then off to bed, yeah. Repeat.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

Kiwi. Yeah. Your bag is like built graphics bag. It's massive. It's not even a built graphics bag, is it?

SPEAKER_00 29:06

It's huge. Massive. Got it through um the I had to get it in the box. You know the little box they have, it's easy. So you like your carry-ons.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

So they've asked me to get it in there, and I've took everything out of the bag, squeezed it in, and then put everything back in the bag on my back. Fine.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

They've literally watched him take his running shoes out, take his shorts out, take his hoodie out, put it on a pile, shoved it in, and then filled it back up.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

And everyone watching me as well. It's like yeah, it was funny.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

But that happened as well.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

Was that easy chair?

SPEAKER_01 29:41

Easy. Easy chair, yeah. But then that also happened the week before as well. We did it again. We both did it.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

Well, they told you you had to fit it in the back.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

Well, you just said get it in the bags, and I'm like, alright, let me take some stuff out. I was never gonna get it in the bag. I've took all my shoes out, crammed them in there.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

I've never been asked to put it in there.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

Who not?

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Did you have to put yours in as well? Yeah. I've never been asked.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

They are on it with the built for athlete's bag, these uh these airlines.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

On the way out, the way back was fine, but the way out there was like on us.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

Every single one.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

But what's the point though? Because they're not gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Because they can well, loads of people just accept fate. Because they the thing with the built for athlete's bag, you can get away with it if you don't overfill it. As soon as you overfill it, you're you're done for. So a lot of people like overfill it. Because obviously, if you've just taken that for a long weekend, it's not really big enough.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

But yeah, it's just like some inside Intel, then yeah. Take it out, just empty your bag, put it in there, and put it stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

You can't really see the logic in that. No, it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

Yeah, and also there's no way that was benefit under the seat in front.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Yeah, there was no chance. That's big. There's no chance for it.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

That's the whole point of that putting it in there, though, isn't it? Because it's benefit underneath.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Yeah, um I always chuck it above anyway. Same. Easy joke, you need to be on it more.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

You just outed yourself.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

Yeah, they'd be honest, actually. I know, yeah. Get him. Um but yeah, but that is the end of the pod. That was very, very exciting. Now you have an insight into someone that works full time but manages to balance being a top-level athlete as well as building his own home. Crazy stuff. But you have to respect it. It's uh you're a serious crafter. I'll give you that. But yeah, exciting stuff. Thank you. That's that. Thanks for watching, guys. Thank you. We'll see you in the next one. Thank you for listening to today's episode. If you did enjoy it, please like, follow, subscribe wherever you're watching. But we will be seeing you again very soon.