T.H.PARALLAX.02 - Am I Overreacting? Human Rights, Housemates & Horoscopes

This week we use Reddit's Am I Overreacting? as a jumping-off point for conversations about trust, boundaries, communication and the strange ways humans navigate relationships.

Along the way we discuss everything from political beliefs and human rights to difficult housemates, forgotten birthdays, astrology, social media insecurities and family cats.

What begins as a series of simple questions quickly becomes something deeper as Cypher, Idris and Reuben explore what it means to show up for each other, communicate honestly and build healthy relationships.

No experts. No perfect answers. Just people trying to figure things out together.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:02

Hello, humans. Hello. Hello. Welcome back to TH Parallax with Cypher, Idris, and Ruben. Welcome back, Idris.

SPEAKER_02 0:13

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 0:13

It's good to have you back.

SPEAKER_02 0:14

Yeah, it's good to be back.

SPEAKER_03 0:17

Got the the COVID.

SPEAKER_02 0:19

Yeah, I got COVID for the first time, which was an experience.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

How the how did you hold out this long?

SPEAKER_02 0:27

I lived in the desert during COVID, so I didn't really like. Yeah, yeah. Didn't come near us, so it was yeah, but no, it absolutely like kicked my ass for the whole weekend and I felt like I was dying.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

So just a weekend, that's not too bad. That's pretty good. Yeah, I was I was worried about you because I remember the first time that I had it, it absolutely tore me apart. Yeah, yeah. So I was thinking about you.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

But a weekend's pretty good. Yeah, and I mostly just stayed in bed, which was kind of nice. Um, and watched videos all day. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

Best way to spend it. Cool. So uh we are going to be trying uh Am I Overreacting stories on Reddit?

SPEAKER_00 1:11

We are.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

I haven't picked any yet, so I'm gonna get Ruben to start us off while I find some.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Oh, we're gonna get straight into it, okay. Yeah, or do you want to talk about you? No, no, no. Let's let we we can we can um just get straight in. All right, um take it away. Yeah, all right. Which one will I start you on? I've got two. It was actually really nice this week. I um I did my homework in um the the workshops that I run with young people. So I was reading out random Reddit stories to to teenagers to get their reaction, and it turned out to be a really nice conversation starter. It was actually really, really cool. So I've now gonna I'm gonna use the Reddit reading Reddit stories. I'm gonna pretend I have homework to do to initiate really lovely, like nice conversations. That was a really cool way to get the kids um talking about interesting things and on the same page. Okay, I'm gonna save that one for later because that's really funny and it's gonna annoy you both so much. I'm gonna start with am I overreacting for judging my three-year-old relationship on political beliefs? Spicy. We're gonna start you off with a groaner and I'll finish you off later with with a with a one that will really annoy you.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

I mean, that that's a that's a tough topic.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

I'll give you some ages. Uh, 25 female is the OP, and your boyfriend 28 male. So fairly young relationship for three years. So not a fresh, fresh relationship. Been together a while. Yeah, that's it's gonna be tricky. What are we calling overreacting?

SPEAKER_03 2:55

I don't know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

All right, we'll jump in. I, 25 female and my boyfriend, 28 male, have been together for nearly three years and living together for two. I can see a very happy future with him, and we are really similar in lots of ways that matter, um, i.e., lifestyle, kids, religion, etc. However, we differ heavily on politics. I've always been, sorry, I have always, always dedicated my life to politics, especially social policies, um, as I'm a member of the LGBT community and a cis female. I've worked on the suicide prevention line and studied psychology and gender studies in college. I'm a strong advocate for human rights, regardless of gender, sexuality, race, or sex. However, my boyfriend doesn't really care about educating himself on such topics, leading to really heated combos when it pops up. The latest argument was around the trans population and their legitimacy. He has followed the Trump cult beliefs in his abnormalities and a genuine and an agenda to push it into the school system. I obviously passionately disagree. The difference lies in the fact that I've studied it. Um, I've stayed current in the world news, I know people in the community, he doesn't have any similar experience, yet he is so adamant that he is right and insisting I have no right to change him. Am I wrong believing it won't change him? Am I wrong believing it won't change him? That's a strange sentence. Um but oh, sorry, am I wrong believing it won't change him, but just help him grow? If at least he tries to educate himself on his own claims? Would it be different if he had factual claims to back up his beliefs, but he has zero desire to even look it up? I'm considering ending our relationship, even though it is the purest love I have ever felt. Please help.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

Oh, not overreacting.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

Yeah. And I don't think it's pure love if like you're having arguments, like heated arguments over political climate. Like in any relationship, if you can't agree on some political stuff, it's not gonna work out.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

Especially if it's you know, the queer community.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:19

If you're not gonna agree on the fact that the queer community deserves safety and respect and you know, not hate, then uh I understand if you haven't grown up in the queer community and you don't know much about it, and you know, you haven't studied it or whatever, but that that community gets attacked frequently.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

We've got an interesting element here early on. She mentioned that she's 23 female, 28 male. We're assuming Cis both. Um, she's a cis female and she's a member of the LGBT community. So she's she's LGBT. Yeah. Um so to me, this says he doesn't have any understanding of his partner whatsoever. Yeah. He's not talking about um people that are removed from him, she's a member of the community herself.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Um so I'd be really interested on his take on that. If she's if she's um if she's able to yeah, be honest with herself and show to herself in a relationship, it feels like she might be suppressing that to to skate under this weird guy.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

And then what if they like decide to have kids and they end up being queer? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

That's gonna be a struggle, isn't it? Yeah. Dad's gonna really struggle with that one. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

And if all he believes is the the far right agenda and you know, not really understanding the danger the queer community can be in. That's that's a red flag. Yeah, isn't it? Yeah, that's that's a that's just a red flag.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Yeah. Like if the comments on this one there were there were heaps, and it was it was really full on because the red pills were in all in on these comments, as were the allies, so it got really full on. Um, I chose a couple um that I like that that sort of align with where I'm going on this. First from Funky Pete. Thanks, Funky Pete. Um, somehow we've returned to the point that basic civil rights are political now, which is where I would go with this. Um, we're not talking about politics, we're talking about just human rights. Actual conservative beliefs are things like lowering capital gains, taxes, encouraging people um to with capital to invest it aggressively to help the economy, blah, blah, blah, blah. Whether these are correct beliefs or not is definitely um a political question. The idea that the government should prevent doctors from providing medical care to at-risk community, even if they are teens, are teens is not a political issue. It's just fascism. Um, if you're judging, you aren't judging your relationships based on political beliefs, unless it's tax rates that you disagree about, you're disagreeing about basic human rights, liberties, and civil rights, and not overreacting. Um, and there are a bunch of a bunch of comments similar to that, which is sort of where I'm going. This isn't politics to me either. This is just human rights and really basic humanity. This is like a this would be a huge red flag for me. I'd be I'd be out that day. I'd be changing my phone number and um bouncing and moving out. Really grateful that we hadn't had kids yet. Yeah, so not overreacting, OP.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

No, no, I definitely agree. It's it's basic human rights, it shouldn't be a political thing.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Yeah, yeah. And you're young, you're 25. Like, yeah, hopefully you won't remember this guy's name in 10 years.

SPEAKER_03 8:52

Yeah, OP not overreacting.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Not at all. Not at all. Yeah, yeah, agreed. And dude, go educate yourself.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 9:01

You're too old for that sort of nonsense. Go sort yourself out.

SPEAKER_03 9:06

Okay, I think I found one. Uh am I overreacting for refusing to give my roommate her spare key back after what I found out?

SPEAKER_01 9:16

What can she find out?

SPEAKER_03 9:18

I only briefly read through, so I have no.

SPEAKER_00 9:21

Hold on. What's a roommate doing with a spare key?

SPEAKER_03 9:25

You need you need spare keys in case you lose one.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

But it's her key, it's not a spare key. Is this a key that she's giving to other people? So is it a spare key for the roommate to give to her friend? No. It's the housemate's key. Yeah. Okay. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

I just want to know what you found out.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

Yeah, I reckon something's up. I'm going not overreacting because I mean OP might be a bit a bit weird, but I'm I'm reckoning I'm reckoning. Not overreacting. That's my gut.

SPEAKER_03 9:57

This is this is a this is a chunky one though. I'll try to keep it short. No, do it. Uh I, 24 female, live with my roommate Sophie, 26 female. We've lived together for about a year and honestly never had major issues before this. A few months ago, she asked if her younger brother could stay with us just for a weekend while he looked for a place nearby after getting a new job. I said sure because I didn't think it was a big deal. That weekend somehow turned into almost three weeks. He wasn't horrible or anything, but he'd constantly be in the living room late at night, gaming loudly, leaving dishes everywhere. And once I came home to find him literally asleep on our couch in just boxes, I started feeling uncomfortable in my own apartment. I brought it up to Sophie privately and she apologized, saying he'd leave soon. Eventually he did, and I thought that was the end of it. Fast forward to this week. I work hybrid, but on Tuesdays, I'm always at the office all day. Around noon, my neighbor texted asking if my boyfriend was home because she heard a guy inside our apartment earlier. I don't have a boyfriend. Immediately I got confused and checked our apartment camera facing the front door. Around 10 a.m., Sophie's brother casually unlocked our apartment and walked inside by himself. Nobody else was home. I texted Sophie asking why her brother was in our apartment while we were both gone. She responded like it was a completely normal and said, Oh yeah, I let him keep the spare key in case he needs someone to crash after work sometimes. I was honestly shocked. I told her I was not okay with someone who doesn't live here having unrestricted access to our apartment, especially without my knowledge. She got mad immediately and said I was making him sound so and said I was making him sound dangerous. Brain just stopped.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

Oh, that's not fair.

SPEAKER_03 12:02

Uh that wasn't even my point. I just don't want random people entering my home when I'm not there. When I got home, I asked for the key back. She refused and said she pays rent too, so she can give a key to whoever she wants. We ended up arguing for an hour, and eventually I told the landlord everything because our lease specifically says guests can't stay for more than seven sec consecutive days, and tenants can't distribute keys without approval. Now Sophie is furious because the landlord sided with me and threatened lease violations if her brother kept coming over alone. She says I escalated things way too far instead of just handling it like adults. Now a couple of mutual friends are saying I made the situation unnecessarily serious over just a spare key. But I don't uh But I honestly can't stop thinking about how long this would have continued if my neighbor never texted me. Am I overreacting?

SPEAKER_02 12:59

Idris. I feel like it's very tricky. I think I feel like she is overreacting just a little bit. I think because I come from the point of like, like I'm the oldest of eight, and I know that I would probably do anything for like my sibling if they needed somewhere to crash. But I think there's a level of communication that wasn't happening at the start, like there was no ground rules of how long the brother was actually staying, and he's not like he's creating mess, he's not cleaning up after himself. But I think sleep on the couch and he's unused.

SPEAKER_03 13:31

I know especially if it's not in it's not where I'm playing.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Killed me.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

But I think there's just like a like there's no communication happening with all three of them. Like, I feel like if they actually put in some ground rules, I think it would have been okay. But I feel like I feel like taking it to the landlord like is a bit overreacting, I feel like for me.

SPEAKER_00 13:53

I think the housemate messed up by giving the brother permission without talking to OP. That was that was not on. You it's 50-50 your space. Yeah. So that decision should have been made together and checked in on. So that that's just a breach of trust. So I can understand why OP's got their nose out of joint. I that would that would upset me. But I think I agree. I think landlord's a bit extreme. I think I think a chat with the housemate would have been would have been better. But it also depends on that tone of voice. When when she called and said, Hey, why is bro in the house? It depends how dismissive the answer was. Um that could have been quite rude and quite, yeah. I would I would like to be a fly in the wall for that conversation. I think that's where it well, that's where the the the tipping point was of if this is an overreaction or not. Yeah, I think I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I'm I think we're on the same side of the fence. I'm just slightly tipping to one of your slight, I'm slightly tipping towards not overreacting. Yeah. Um, but I think, yeah, we're on the same page. But housemates, it's hard. And it's more necessary now than ever. So people were like being forced to house and in in bigger numbers um for longer for for our generation. It was like something we did by choice because it was fun. And as soon as you were ready to go solo, you could just do it because rent wasn't crazy. But um, so people uh having to navigate this way more than they used to. Yeah, yeah. But asleep on the couch near undies is nuts.

SPEAKER_03 15:37

Like, bro, no, no, just don't do that. A lot of the comments are saying no, not overreacting. Okay. A lot of them are agreeing with OP. Um basically saying the housemate violated the lease agreement for not having a discussion with the you know friend about it. It it's tricky, especially in the housing market, wherever you are. I know for from experience, if I see a random person in my house, I'm gonna panic. Yes. Especially if I don't know who they are or how long they've been there.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 16:18

And in one of my previous houses, we I lived with six, seven other people. And if I just saw a random person there, hmm it it yeah. Have a conversation with your housemate first, have a mutual agreement. Because like if you're both, you know, you're used to each other, you chat, haven't have a talk about it, and actually say, okay, they're gonna be here for this long, maybe a little bit longer, is this okay with you? A simple conversation can go a long way. But having a text message from your neighbor asking if your boyfriend's home, that's it's a bit yakky, isn't it? Just a bit, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

And I but I do think it got a little escalated by involving the landlord. What could have had a simple conversation, it it should have it could have been resolved pretty quickly. Uh, but not overreacting.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

No, I don't think so. I have noticed, I've I've I'm fairly you you have introduced me to this Reddit monster. I've noticed that Redditors tend to like go to the law pretty quickly, they they really swing to like this is this are the rules, this is legal, this is what the Tenancy Act says, and like quite often a bit of common sense or courtesy could have come into the conversation before we started pulling out the the legal tombs, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:39

And giving them a spare key as well.

SPEAKER_00 17:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:43

Like in any house that I've lived in, mostly share houses. If I ever had a friend over that I would constantly watch over the person.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:52

I'm not gonna let them roam in my house alone.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

My first share house was like five tenants. Um, I don't think any of us had a key. I don't think I think the key was probably had been lost years before I moved in, and there were always probably about three couch surfers in the space all the time. So it was a really I moved in and it was like that. So it was it was very different. It was like you never knew who was gonna be in the house. You never knew if sometimes there were no housemates and there were six other people in your house, um, and you just didn't keep precious objects around at all ever. Um, but I think it was a vibe then, it was sort of like it was understood that's what this was. It was very sort of 90s party house sort of tear away. Um, yeah, great fun, but not a forever kind of situation.

SPEAKER_03 18:41

No, yeah. Um we're not gonna dive further into that because that's uh that's a rabbit hole. I I could share so many weird experiences from my previous. Oh that was um um no, I'm I'm gonna say that in private. That was not fun. Uh Idris, do you have one?

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Yes. No blended up pasta this week, please, Idris.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

That one was sweet.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

I still get queasy thinking about that. Yeah, yeah. That's that's one of my favorite and least favorite things. I think about it every day.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

Uh all right. So, am I overreacting for telling my sister to fuck off after my entire family forgot my birthday?

SPEAKER_03 19:34

Oh I'm gonna say right now, not overreacting.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

It's my family. I think something's happened. There's been there's an event, there's a reason that this has happened. I'm I'm gonna say overreacting. I I'm just uh taking a punt that whatever happened is so full on that the birthday forgetting was reasonable.

unknown 20:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Still would have hurt. Yeah. Totally valid to for it to really sting, but that's where I'm going. I'm gonna just take a punt. Prepare it to be wrong. Okay. Cypher, do you have a a guess?

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Uh yeah, I'm gonna stick to my guns and say not overreacting. Especially if it's family birthdays, not overreacting.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

All right.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

That's my personal opinion. Uh we'll see who's right.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

Nice. Um, this one also doesn't have um gender either. It's just all in first person. So got no clue for that side of things. Okay. Um, it's my 26th birthday, and I'm away with family in a country town for my niece's baptism. Everyone knew that it would coincide with my birthday, so we said we would do something simple today to co commemorate. I can never say that word.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

That's that's a weird word.

SPEAKER_02 20:56

Com commemorate the occasion since my niece's baptism isn't for a couple more days. I woke up this morning and everyone forgot that it was my birthday, except one of my sisters who sent me a text. Everyone else completely forgot until I reminded them. And I mean everyone, my mum, my dad, all my other siblings. No cards, no hugs, no surprises, no presents. My dad and sister said that they would buy me something today, but neither of them did. The spanner in the works is that about 10 or so what what is that sentence? The spanner in the works is that at about 10 or so my sister accidentally cut herself with a knife, had to go get stitches. I babysat the kids, went shopping, and took care of everything else while she was gone. She came back at like 11 30, but it was all a bit hectic, so the lunch I wanted to go to got cancelled. I said, No worries, we can get dinner instead. Then dinner rolled around and my dad said he wanted pizza, which I didn't want, so they had pizza while I Cooked for myself. I got all quiet and ended up talking to my friends on the phone all night because they did remember my birthday. A couple other things happened that were making me really frustrated. In brackets, my dad is just a general asshole. And as I waited and waited for them to do something, I just ended up sitting in my room crying with no idea how to approach them, telling I was disappointed. So I went to sleep early after avoiding everyone all night, and my sister came in to apologize. But instead of actually apologizing, she said, I'm so, so sorry that me stabbing my hand ruined your birthday all sarcastically. So I told her to just fuck off, to act like a complete child. I feel like I did, but I also really am feeling slightly heartbroken that no one seems to give a shit.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

I didn't call it, did I?

SPEAKER_03 22:51

No, you did not. Not overreacting, OP.

unknown 22:58

No.

SPEAKER_03 22:59

If you're gonna apologize, don't do it like that.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

No, that's a that's a crap apology. That the apology alone deserves the fuck off, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the ages, I was expecting young. And from the story, I'm thinking we're like 30s. Kids are involved. I'm feeling like OP might be a bit older.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

Yeah, so it was OP's 26. 26. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

That's still young. That's young. Yeah, that's young. That's still getting butthurt over your birthday age for sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the whole family.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

Yeah. That would sting. And the fact that like they wanted to go to dinner, and then the dad was like, no, I want pizza. Like, let's order in. And then they're like, no, actually, it's my birthday.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Dad's 100% fluffed the whole thing, hasn't he? He's completely, he's completely ruined it.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

Uh did they like I I missed most of the context because I was looking at the screen. It's like, did they forget her birthday? Well, sorry, their birthday on purpose?

SPEAKER_02 24:04

I don't know. I think they just generally forgot. Like there were so many things that were like happening that week, like the niece's baptism. They obviously like the whole family must have been over. And then the fact that the sister stabbed her hand and had to go to the hospital, and then that OP got stuck with looking after all the kids in the house.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Like I've done it as an individual. Like I've you know, I've got to like five o'clock in the afternoon and realized it's my mother's birthday, but you know, she's 70, I'm 50. It's it's like I still feel awful. And I get that like sudden like panic, but as a collective, like the whole family, no one, yeah, no one. That would really hurt, especially at 26 and and you're with them all day. It's not like they're, you know, yeah, not in your face.

SPEAKER_03 24:55

Remind me, did OP say anything about it?

SPEAKER_02 25:00

No. So I think they yeah, I woke up this morning and everyone forgot it was my birthday, except for one of my sisters who sent me a text. Um, everyone else completely forgot until I reminded them.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

That I mean you're it's your family.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:16

I'm assuming they still live with their family. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:19

Like that that makes it worse.

SPEAKER_00 25:21

Yeah, if you're all still living together, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 25:23

If you're still living with your family and they just forgot, like wouldn't that be an account? Do people have calendars anymore?

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

But wouldn't you like it'd be the week of too? Because if you because you're living with these people, you're like, yeah, my birthday's like on Sunday.

SPEAKER_00 25:38

You should have presents prepared and a cake planned, and like there should be other things that trigger your memory, like why is why is the fridge full of cake ingredients? Why is there a cheesecake in the fridge? Why have like a birthday candle? Like it sounds like nothing was done in prep.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

When was this posted?

SPEAKER_02 25:54

This was posted 14 hours ago.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

Okay. Well, happy birthday. I hope it's sex. We are so sorry that the family sucks. I hope next year's birthday will be better. Spend it with your friends, it'll be so much better.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

Yeah, I hope next year you're having a birthday in a nice share house that isn't problematic. And there's no birthday. What are the comments make it do it on the couch?

SPEAKER_02 26:19

A lot of the comments are like, your family are assholes. And that like the top comment was your feelings are valid, I would be disappointed. And then it said, when you are back home, focus more on your friends and family.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Definitely. And I think the apology is a problem for me. I I I've we all forget stuff, and I've I've done it. I'm I'm that guy. I'm very forgetful, and I get um roped up in work and I forget what's happening, but I feel immense guilt, and I, you know, I fall to my knees and beg forgiveness. I don't passive aggressive, like make it about me, or try and make them feel guilty because I stuffed up. Yeah, so the fact that the sister's not owning it and punishing OP even further is just gross. Get out of there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

OP.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

I feel that. Do you want to sing happy birthday? No.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

I used to sing it a lot, especially in Italian. Never again.

unknown 27:17

So cringe.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

Okay, what do you got for us, Ruben?

SPEAKER_00 27:24

One more. Alright. Um, I think this one's gonna annoy you. I think it's gonna annoy you. Am I overreacting? My boyfriend broke up with me over horoscopes.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

And I want I want to call before I start. I want you to call it. Um I'll give you a 23 OP's 23 female.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

So are we asking if OP is overreacting?

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Am I overreacting? Am I 23 female? Overreacting.

SPEAKER_03 27:53

My boyfriend broke up with me over horoscopes. Oh, why is horoscope so controversial these days? I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

What are you saying it is?

SPEAKER_02 28:07

I'm gonna say, I just know, it's so young. Like, I feel like I wanna say not overreacting just based on age, I feel like.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Yeah, well, 23 female is prime horoscope sort of territory, isn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:22

How would you know?

SPEAKER_00 28:24

I haven't been 23 female. I take that back. I don't know. It's a wild generalization, and I apologize. Are you ready? Yeah, yeah. All right, I 23 female have been dating a new guy, 30 male. Age gap. Um not criminal, but but an age gap. Um, for just over two months, so really fresh. We met on Tinder, um, and after the absolute trash on the dating scene I've been through over the last few years, I've been counting my lucky stars to have found him. He's confident, protective, emotionally open, completely my type. Blonde, blue-eyed, bearded, with an athletic build. We're super deep about this. It's true love. You'll love it. No, no, this is true.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

Oh, wow. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

Um, and for for the listeners' benefit, I'm none of these things, but I have a beard. Um to top it off, he has a British accent.

SPEAKER_03 29:29

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

Which is superficial, but I find it hot. This is such a 23-year-old post. He's even politically liberal, which said to me that his values are good. So all good, all green flags so far. The relationship has gone really well. We have had great conversations by text, and then he took me to a nice restaurant on our first date. We had a really good chemistry. I broke my rule of waiting a month for sexy time, um, and it was really good. The day after he said he didn't really believe in dating multiple people at once, so he asked if we could make it exclusive. I said yes, obviously. Um we played it cool on the phone, but I ran around screaming with my roommate afterwards. We've been seeing each other two or three times a week. My friends all like him, and I was planning on him meeting my family this weekend. So it's all um green lights so far. Anyway, we were hanging out in my apartment yesterday. You guys will love this. And I asked him about his birthday. I'm kind of into astrology, and I've started fantasizing about our lives together. So I wanted to check out our compatibility. I asked the day and time of his birth, and he raised an eyebrow. He asked me why I wanted to know. So I said I wanted to check on our birth charts. On what our birth charts would say about us. He then asked me if I really believed this stuff. I said yes. He then went quiet, put his shirt on, said, I don't think this is gonna work out, and left. That's wild.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

Keep going, keep going.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

I can't really remember what I said next, but I started panicking and I said we didn't need to do it, and we could forget about it, asking him why it mattered so much. He said there was too much unreason in this country, and I don't need any more in my life. And that was it. He closed the door, and he isn't picking up his phone. I'm in a state of shock. I've been breaking out in tears randomly today and had to leave work early. It just seems to me such a crazy overreaction. I said that I didn't expect him to care about horoscopes, it was just something I enjoyed, but he said uh it spoke to how I thought about things and my critical thinking, which upset me. I don't know what to do next. Am I overreacting?

SPEAKER_02 31:44

Not at all. I know.

SPEAKER_03 31:47

No. OP, you are not overreacting.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

Okay, this is showing you the age gap. This is what, like critical thinking, you're a 30-year-old dating at 23 year old.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

It highlights the age gap, but if I hadn't told you the ages, who would you think was the child here? Oh, the boy.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

That's great. Like, look, astrology isn't for everyone. And you know, if you actually want to read about it and look it up, it's really interesting stuff. You don't have to be them if you don't want to. But some things that are in astrology kind of make sense, right? But if I ask my partner, oh, what's this, what's this, what's this? I want to say something, because I'm curious. I'm curious. Yeah. But if they're gonna be like, nah, I don't nah, I don't think this is gonna work, then what are you trying to hide? Is he a Scorpio?

SPEAKER_02 32:44

I think it's the fact that he like Gemini he put his shirt on and left. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

I love the fact that he just got dressed and bailed. That was beautiful. She's like, wait a minute. I'm I'm thinking post. I'm thinking pillow talk. Yeah. That's that's my my my image is the like the lazy afternoon pillow talk, the twirling of the hair, yeah, learning about each other, and then straight to buttoning up the shirt and bailing.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

I I astrology is a good way to learn about someone, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

Yeah, actually, that's probably a good point, OP. You've just found a good filter for um I'd go straight to astrology on the first date from now on and just get rid of these guys.

SPEAKER_03 33:26

Pretty much. Like it look, it can it can be pretty dorky and cringy sometimes, but it's really fascinating stuff, especially if you know you know your your birth date, like the day you were born, the time you're born. There's there's stuff that's really interesting. Yeah, yeah. So I don't understand why the now X is so like even if he doesn't believe in it, you don't have to believe in it, but just you know, what are you hiding?

SPEAKER_00 33:50

From the comments, I so the the comments were wild. This this like they were there was like thousand uh yeah, there was a thousand or so comments, and some of them were were likening astrology to religion and um cults, and you know, they would they were just going off the planet. People got really offended by it. People were really like, no, no, no, no, which is crazy. So I've chosen um a a reply and a reply to that reply that sort of explains where I where I'm sort of at. So the reply, which isn't me, which isn't what I think is sorry, OP, but I would have done the same thing in his shoes. Astrology is made up nonsense, and believing it is not a good look. The reply to that by praxis, which is where I'm where I'm sort of leaning, is I'm not into astrology, but this could accurately said about any accurately be said about any religious or spiritual beliefs. I say that as an atheist, I love this, who's married to a very witchy woman, which I vibe with. Um I don't see any difference except astrology people aren't going to try and drag you to church or send you to hell.

SPEAKER_01 34:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

Um, to be frank, I'm much more concerned with political affiliation. Um as long as she's not trying to force her beliefs on me, I don't care. Which is sort of where I'm at. I I think um I think it'd be really hard to have a relationship with wildly different um political beliefs or wildly different religions that really clash with each other, but not digging on someone because they like to pull out a deck of tarotards or or or want to know your star signus is just ridiculous. Yeah, the boyfriend just lost out. Like it sounds like this was an awesome relationship and it was going really, really well, and he just blew it. So suffering your jocks, buddy.

SPEAKER_03 35:31

People do know that astrology is like four to five thousand years old. Yeah, yeah. It's not some new age shit that people are coming up with. Like ancient ancient civilization, ancient civilization, my god, they they they looked up at the stars and pointed things to like how how else do we get all this other stuff, right? So astrology isn't some wacky cult shit. It's you know, if you that you don't have to believe in it, but it it's not it's not evil. I knew this one would annoy you.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

I'm so happy and then and it's not just like zodiac signs, too, it's literally the stars themselves.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Well, I mean the the comments got really they they went deep, so the the pro the pro um astrologist and the anti got really full on. Yeah, and there were even like um anti-astrology types in there who'd really had really gone deep and wanted to point out that the planets had shifted and the astrology, you know, the stars were in a different place in astrology, you know, if it was true that everything had changed, and then there was a yeah, it's got his hand in the air. And then there were all these other arguments, like it got wild, we got into these full, like um there were paragraphs and paragraphs and hundreds of um of uh uh how deep do you want to go?

SPEAKER_03 36:46

I'm not gonna go that deep. I'm not gonna go that deep, I promise. I'll try not to anyway. But yes, astrology shifts with the planets and the stars. The stars never stay the same. The planets never stay the same. Everything shifts. That's the whole point of how astrology evolved. Yes. It's an evolutionary thing that doesn't stay the same. Okay, I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. Um I've I I'm still looking for one.

SPEAKER_02 37:17

Do you um I think I've got one.

SPEAKER_03 37:19

Oh, oh, I have a juicy one. It's pretty short. Yeah, uh this one's funny, right? Am I overreacting if I ask my boyfriend to unfollow a girl on social media?

SPEAKER_02 37:31

Ooh, interesting. That's always so tricky, those ones.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

It is. Um, so me, 20, and my boyfriend at 20 have been dating for six months around a year ago before we started dating. He oh, there is no punctuation in this. Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

Who needs punctuation?

unknown 37:52

Everyone.

SPEAKER_03 37:54

Around a year ago, before we started dating, he kissed me and then slept with one of my best friends on the same night. They then both lied to me about it and slept together on another night. I know that we were not dating at the time, so he had no loyalty to me, but I feel so insecure about it. I'm no longer really friends with this girl due to other reasons, and my boyfriend does not actively speak to her, but he does follow her on Instagram. I know that this is such a stupid thing to be insecure about, but would I be overreacting if I ask my boyfriend to unfollow her on Instagram?

SPEAKER_02 38:29

Not at all. I feel like that's not overreacting. Like, I feel like it's kind of silly that she got with him. I feel like even though he slept with it.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Spoken like a true team.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

Well, it's like you like he slept with her best friend behind her back. Oh, it's gross. Then they both lied to her, and then she still decided to be in a relationship with him. Like, yeah, I feel like that's not a good, like, honest start to a relationship. 20 and 20.

SPEAKER_00 39:05

Oh, okay. So they're not soupy. They're both babies. I was reading this like 14-year-olds. It's not sounding like high schoolers.

SPEAKER_03 39:12

It does.

SPEAKER_00 39:13

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 39:14

It yeah, it's weird. They're around a year before they started dating. He kissed her and then slept with one of her best friends on the same.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

Oh, so he cheated on her.

SPEAKER_03 39:23

Before they were even dating dating.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Before they were dating, okay. Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

And now they've been together for six months. And he still follows her on safe discolonists.

SPEAKER_00 39:31

Like as an adult, you just you sacrifice or not sacrifice sacrifice are the wrong words. You make um you do all sorts of things to make your partner comfortable. And if that's cutting X's out of your life because it makes them icky, it makes them feel bad, that's not a not a big thing. That's something we all do. And yeah, there's how many billion people in the world to choose mates from? You can find other friends. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:58

Um of the comments I found really interesting, and I kind of I kind of agree with it, actually. The comment is by solid lime 9686. Do you think making him unfollow her will remove the past or cleanse his heart? You're not overreacting, but this does not get any beneficial output. Unfollowing the person that he you know did stuff with, but that doesn't cleanse what he does.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

Oh no, absolutely not, but it would it would communicate a commitment or a sign of growth.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:33

Um and I'm definitely a believer that people can change and grow and learn. We can't get anything right until we get it wrong first. So the unfriending would and especially like a a a committed, yes, I love you, and I understand why this why this hurts. And absolutely, watch me do it. Click would be a really good um sign, but not necessarily um yeah, not proof or or or a or an answer, but definitely a step in the right direction.

SPEAKER_03 41:02

OP, definitely talk to him that it that you would do feel insecure about it.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:06

And uh honest open conversation can go a long way. I will always say that. It can go a long way. You tell him that you felt insecure about it, and you'd like if you would unfollow her just so they can start properly.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

And look, he may not be able to at 20. 20 year olds are very they're the center of the universe, they're the main character, and everyone else is an NPC, even their partners. So he might actually be incapable of seeing outside himself at this age. He might not be up for it yet. Um not to say he might not be later, but oh, I'm so glad I'm not 20.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

Oh P you're not overreacting. Just talk to him.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 41:48

Do we have time for one more?

SPEAKER_00 41:49

Yes. Awesome.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

Okay, this one is a little bit longer, but I just thought the title I thought would be really funny. Okay. Um, am I overreacting for being outraged with my stepfather for giving away his cat?

SPEAKER_00 42:13

Am I overreacting for being outraged that my stepfather gave away his own cat? Yeah. My gut says not your cat staying your lane. I wonder what the gun where the cat went. Depends where the cat went.

SPEAKER_03 42:30

Ah, there's a lot, there's a lot missing. Oh, I don't like you. And no, something terrible's happened to this poor cat.

SPEAKER_02 42:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 42:41

Um not overreacting. All right. It's a cat. Well, I'm gonna say overreacting. Not your cat, not your business. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

I feel like this makes sense because um, so for context, um, OP is male 21, so another young young age. Yeah. Yeah. Uh for context, uh, OP is male 21. Um, I no longer live with my family, though have a good relationship with them. When I was around 10, we got a second cat who looked just like our male one. Her name is Rose. Over the years, she had problems with throwing up her food, and more recently, as she's gotten older, peeing outside the litter box. Outside of that, she is the sweetest, most affectionate cat anyone could ever ask for. She is seriously not a smart, smart cat. I worry about her getting I worry about her getting herself hurt, sometimes by getting into places she r uh she really doesn't belong. Recently, my mother and stepfather moved into a new, recently built three story house with all new furnishings. Rose began peeing outside her litter box again, but this time on the rug where the litter box and the cat tower is, which is a bad place to have a litter box, I feel like on a rug. Um They have their own dedicated space in the corner of the living room. Basically, my stepfather has had enough, and instead of getting veterinarian help, he's giving her away. My mum first texted me to let me know if she didn't if she didn't find a home, she was going to the Human Humane Society where she could possibly be euthanized or eve or never adopted due to her old age and problems. Of course I would adopt her in a heartbeat, but I rent out from an older man and he has a problem with cats. This, along with the fact that she had a peeing pro problem, made it where I couldn't take her. I reached out to pretty much everybody I know to see if they could take her and no one could. He used to yell at the cats a lot, and also the dog when they would do something they weren't supposed to, and I don't mean a normal yell, he would scream at them. But everyone who had ever been in the house family and not they just love to yell. Acted as if it was completely normal. To me, it looked like animal abuse. The fact that he could just abandon my childhood cat because of her peeing on the rug without even considering going to a vet and getting her checked out for bladder issues makes me incredibly angry. She would live out her last years sad, confused, and lonely, possibly without being adopted and euthanized. I texted my father, telling him I thought he was heartless asshole for what he was doing. Thankfully, my mum texted me soon after that she had found someone at work who wanted her. I'm very thankful that she's going to be with a family who loves her and not someone who's going to refuse to get her any help and scream at her despite how sweet she is. Am I overreacting for texting my stepfather like that? I'm worried everyone around us is going to look at me like I'm crazy for being so upset over the cat. Seems like only me and my mum really care about her at that much.

SPEAKER_00 45:50

First of all, I feel like we need to call this episode episode two Ruben's wrong. Next, I'm I'm predispositioned to not liking stepfathers, so um, but no, that's gross.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:04

Stuff that dude. It's it's it's the family cat, it's part of the family. Yeah. I've got a cat. I'm not particularly a huge fan of its behavior or living with it, but I love it. And I wouldn't get rid of it. That's ridiculous. Like it it it's fluffy and it gets poot angles stuck to its bum and it leaves it around the house randomly, and you gotta look for it. It's horrible. I hate it, it's awful. But I wouldn't get rid of the boy. He's our family. That's that's terrible. That's terrible.

SPEAKER_03 46:32

Nah, not overreacting. It's the family cat. Yeah, you know, animals get old, you know, they've gotta miss some things, they're but they're part of the family.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

Yeah. This smacks to me of a bigger problem, too. It's like control and bullying and and no communication. It feels like stepdad's getting his own way across the board.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of underlying issues that OP has with this stepdad.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

And I wonder if it's the old sort of you don't realize while you're living in it. And then a few years later you're out of it. You go, oh, that was wild. Yeah. But it when you're there, it's your normal. And yeah, it sounds like you might just start sort of flirting with the idea of bouncing soon, OP, and getting out of there.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

And well, no, they um they do, so they don't live with them. Oh, they don't live with them. Okay, so they've bounced. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 47:25

Yeah. Okay, yeah, no, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 47:27

Could have taken the cat with you.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's good. I'm glad you're out. Um, yeah, hopefully, hopefully, stepdad, I don't know, gets a hobby and goes and does something else and leaves everyone alone. Like, chill, bro.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Just chill. Yeah. What do the comments say? The comments. Um, so a lot of people are saying not overreacting, and that the cat might have like arthritis, because sometimes I can be like pain with not being able to like get into the litter box. Um, yeah, a lot of people like not overreacting, and then they that the stepdad is not a great person. But the move do. Cats hate moving.

SPEAKER_00 48:05

Yeah. And they do, they'll go to where their litter box used to be and they'll do it there. They they're trying to do the right thing, or they'll find something that they can scratch, like a litter or the yeah. Like my my cat um gets hairballs and will very politely find an object that can be collected to do it in. So he won't do it on the floor, he'll do it in something in his little warm-up brain, he's helping, but it's generally on my shirt that I left on the floor or something. So it's generally like the last place I want him to do it. But I know in his little warm up brain, he's trying to do the right thing. Yeah. Yeah.

unknown 48:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 48:41

That's our stories.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

That's our stories. So we've got something new this week.

SPEAKER_03 48:45

We do, we do. So uh Ruben pitched the idea of doing a card pull. I am a tarot reader professionally for three months now.

SPEAKER_00 48:55

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:56

Unprofessionally for about a year. And I brought along my DD tarot deck, and I was thinking we can pull a card for whatever reason, if anyone has a question or just uh yeah, I don't know. I like this.

SPEAKER_00 49:11

I love this idea, like, especially with like a vibe check of what's what's happening. Yeah. There seems to be something happening all the time that's bugging us or weighing on us. Um, so I reckon, yeah, like big world stuff, personal stuff.

SPEAKER_01 49:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:25

Is this ingrown tonel ever gonna get better? I don't know, like random. Um, have you got something this week?

SPEAKER_02 49:32

Yeah, I think I've got like a question or kind of like a vibe, just because um in the time of filming this, it's uh we're in the middle of reconciliation week here. Um, and I I feel like it's been definitely like a tough time this past I feel like two years with First Nations people. Um, and this year this theme is all in. So I just kind of want to know like what can you explain all in? Yeah, so um it's basically um like all in, everyone is pitching in, everyone is helping out, like it's allyship, and that we can't go, like there's only so far that we can go without help, and like we need people to actually step up and put in the the time and effort now.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

It's really interesting. So without descending into another hour, I um I feel this allying the queer community in where I work, it's it's there's a definite um little hump to get over to enter that that space. There's a it's it's people are nervous or scared or they're imposter syndrome, whatever it is. Um how do people start? Like, how what would you say to somebody who um really wants to help, their heart's in the right place, they see the posters, they want to turn up, they want to, I don't know, but they're nervous. What would you say to them?

SPEAKER_02 51:01

I think it's that just turning up to events makes a whole big difference. Like um, I'm currently in a new working environment and I'm surrounded with new co-workers that feel like they don't know where to go.

SPEAKER_01 51:13

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 51:14

And I think it's like just going to these events makes a whole difference. Like actively being in these spaces will make a whole heap of change.

SPEAKER_00 51:23

So as a let's I'm 50 and I'm a white guy, and I'm I've been here all my life. As a random 50-year-old white guy who wants to turn up, what can I how do I behave? What do I do? What do I like? Are there any tips? Like me personally, I'm gonna go wall flat. I'm gonna go stand in the corner and kick grass until someone talks to me. But is there is there something I could keep in mind when I step into that space?

SPEAKER_02 51:51

I think definitely um leave questions at the door unless they like you're in the space where you can ask questions. I think it's I think it's a lot of listening, um, which I don't think happens a lot with the allies. Like they I find that a lot of people want to just go in like headfirst and try and solve the world's problems, but I feel like there's not a whole lot of listening happening, like active listening and taking in.

SPEAKER_00 52:16

That's really interesting. And that will that will definitely be a shift for me because working with young, queer people, it's all about questions. Yeah, my my my um my my input or my my I don't know my my value in that space is asking lots of questions and then not being scared to to listen and hear the answers, but it definitely is um the sort of value there is being the clumsy old guy who's willing to ask. Yeah, I didn't know that, tell me more. And there's a real but that's a very the they're young and they're they're it's very personal and um they're sort of excited to to download as young people are so it's a very different space. Yeah, not ask I suppose in my brain as a as a middle-aged white guy asking questions is showing deep respect because it's like tell me more, I want to know more, I want to know more. But that's not um what's being asked and not what's helpful. So that's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

I think at this point in time too many questions are being asked and not a whole lot of listening to the answer. If that makes sense at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

Definitely, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 53:27

So what kind of question do you want to ask? Or do you just want to like do a vibe check?

SPEAKER_02 53:33

I think a vibe check sounds like a vibe check, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:37

Yeah, and how everything's going. Like these aren't predictions, they're guidance and perspective. So see how it goes. Um just pick one of these and we'll go.

SPEAKER_02 54:02

Can you hear that on the mic? The shuffling.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

Probably not.

unknown 54:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 54:09

The high priestess.

SPEAKER_00 54:12

He says having no idea what it means. It's pretty.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Um I can read the actual definition of it. I have my own interpretation in a minute. Um, so the High Priestess is about accessing your intuition and tuning in to the source of feminine power.

SPEAKER_00 54:33

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 54:34

I don't know why that's coming up in this though.

SPEAKER_00 54:37

Is anything popping into your head? Is there a is there a guide reaction to that?

SPEAKER_02 54:42

I think for me, I'm surrounded by a lot of strong black women in my life. And I feel like I have a lot of like guidance from them and like help me through. So I feel like that's where I kind of feel with that.

SPEAKER_03 54:57

Um Yeah, if if this were like an actual reading, I'd go much further into detail. Um but yeah, I guess seek guidance from those powerful women in your life. Yeah, they probably have a lot to say. And I guess if there's any doubt or concern, they'll definitely have an answer.

SPEAKER_02 55:20

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 55:22

And you know, uh whether you're a mask or femme, but everyone has a bit of feminine power in them as well. So tune into that too. And the high priestess is a can also be a spiritual figure if that's something you're into as well. Um I don't really know much about the belief system of the First Nations people, and I'd I'd definitely like to learn that one day. But uh yeah. And seven of strength of fighting against the imbeciles and the arrogance. On brain, yeah. So yeah, whatever you're doing, keep doing it. Seek guidance from those powerful women in your life and keep fighting, keep pushing back. You know, there are ally good allies out there that will listen.

SPEAKER_00 56:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:17

I know you have two of them right here.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

How do you identify like I I I know I don't I I know very little, but I know that there is um um a clunk with allies stepping into any space that needs allies that we need them, but they often aren't part of our community, and um a community that has to protect and and survive can often then push their allies away just by um trauma reactions, and and you know, it is hard to let people who look like your enemy into your camp sometimes. How do you um personally and as a community sort of navigate that sort of when people are here to help? Um and they're it doesn't feel perfect, yeah. Um how do you how do you sort of cope and move forward with that?

SPEAKER_02 57:13

Yeah, I think I'm definitely very privileged to be around really great friends and family who are great allies and they amplify my voice instead of taking the spotlight. Like they help me build this path, and then they know when to step back and let me lead. And I feel like I'm very um lucky to have those people in my life that can do that for me because I'm very introverted, so I'm never like the one to be at the front of the line, but I'm very lucky to have people that can hold my hand and help me guide me to the front of the line.

SPEAKER_00 57:48

So I I have a um I'm not a music person and I'm not a sound person, I'm very visual, so I I don't really get a lot from other senses. I'm all visual, my my imagination is visual, not audio. Um, and I have pictures of people in my life, so that everyone has a picture, and I've known you not for that long. A year or two at the most. Um and the the I was I think I was reading something that your mother was writing the other day, and I actually have a really clear picture of you, and you you you are on people's shoulders, so it's that sort of yeah, it's that um carrying someone through the crowd of a concert. Um that's how I see you as quite a powerful figure, but you are being carried above people's heads. It's almost like you've been chosen to be pushed forward to whatever's up there. Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's interesting because it's it's a visual that pumped into my head a little while ago. Yeah, yeah, everyone's everyone's got one up there. Sort of I paint this picture of um a bit like tarot cards, actually, kind of think of it.

SPEAKER_03 58:54

Yeah, no, you you keep pushing forward. Yeah, don't let anything get in your way. Yeah, yeah. That's that's pretty that's pretty much what they're saying. You have a lot going ahead. Just keep doing it. Yeah, don't look back. Don't be afraid to seek out help.

SPEAKER_01 59:11

Yeah. Cool.

SPEAKER_03 59:14

Cool. I think we've got to end it there. Fantastic. Yeah, thank you all for listening to this very chaotic episode.

SPEAKER_00 59:23

Thanks for having us. Thanks for thanks for thanks for listening to us, folks. It's it's it's this is the most fun I have at work. I don't know about you two, but I think it's great. This is great. Yeah, yeah, I really enjoy it. It's funny, it terrifies me more than anything else I do. Um, I'm really scared of putting these episodes out. They freak me right out. But I really enjoy doing it. This is yeah, a highlight of my work week.

SPEAKER_03 59:47

Well, until next time, be good humans.

SPEAKER_02 59:51

Bye. Bye.