Deep Diving in the Speakeasy
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Deep Diving in the Speakeasy
Sandra Avery
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Join Justin and Bart as they interview Deep Dives first female guest, the incomparable, Sandra Avery! From meeting Bart, to becoming Bravery's Brew-mom, top your glass off and light one up for a wonderful and exciting interview with Sandra Avery!
Welcome to the Deep Diving in the Speakeasy podcast with your hosts, Justin Reno and Bart Avery.
SPEAKER_05Welcome back to Deep Diving in the Speakeasy. I am your host, Justin. With me as always is my good buddy Bart. Hello, hello. How are you doing, Bart?
SPEAKER_04Quite well. I'm really interested and excited about today's guest that we have on here.
SPEAKER_05Why is that? Why are you so excited about today's guest?
SPEAKER_04Because I've known her like two-thirds to three-quarters of my life. Oh, really? Yeah, pretty good.
SPEAKER_05Would you like to introduce this guest that you that you know so well?
SPEAKER_04Yes, that would be my wife, my beautiful, amazing, talented, super incredible wife, Sandra Ann Avery. Sandra Ann Avery.
SPEAKER_07Thank you for that introduction. I'm like legal now.
SPEAKER_05This is gonna surprise a lot of people. I don't think that they were expecting you to be on the show.
SPEAKER_07I know. I was I'm surprised too.
SPEAKER_05I pushed, I pushed hard for this. So yeah, it's gonna be great. Thank you, Justin.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I think the same way about you too.
SPEAKER_05You want me on the show? More to hear. Uh you're gonna ask the normal intro questions here about we uh so Sandra, if you've ever listened to our show before, have you have you listened to our show?
SPEAKER_07I have you guys are doing a great job. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Okay, thank you. We we needed that. Yep we needed that. Um so basically, uh we're gonna start out with your your choice of cigar for today.
SPEAKER_07Typically it's the Tatiana dipped in rum or vanilla. Wow. A small, mm-hmm. A good Cuban friend showed me how to smoke cigars.
SPEAKER_04Okay. You're gonna Bray, you wanna you wanna light her up? Did you want did you want one for this podcast? Just a small one. Well, you are gonna have a small cigar. Yeah, you wanna light her up? Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_05All right, and then also uh uh eight. I guess I'll have one too. You want to have one? Yeah, I didn't have no idea. I'll do one too. That's fine. You're gonna do a one too. Oh boy. It sounds it sounds it sounds proper. Um the other the other question we're gonna ask is uh do you want an adult beverage?
SPEAKER_07Absolutely. Uh prosecution. What do you think? For today's choice, I'll have some prosecco.
SPEAKER_05You have some prosecco? Yeah. All right. All right. Um we're gonna go ahead and get our uh two left-handed uh bartender, Buzz, to go ahead and get the Buzz. Can you go ahead and get those uh those drinks for us real quick and then just go ahead and bring the uh the cigars over too while you while you're at it as well. Uh what are you what were you drinking?
SPEAKER_04Uh I'm I'm I'm hey Buzz. Can I get a Yeah, I'll take the Prosecco too. Thanks. Are you gonna do a Prosecco? He's reading my mind.
SPEAKER_05Jesus He already knows to grab me a uh delicious bravery beer, so I'm gonna be I'm gonna be drinking that. He already knows. Yeah. He already knows.
SPEAKER_04And just just so you know, Sandra, be careful. Uh don't uh Buzz doesn't talk very much. He's a quiet individual, but he's a great bartender. But don't try to shake it, shake his hand because he's got two left hands. Two left hands. And it's always a little embarrassing. Left-handed thing. Thank you, Buzz. Thank you. Cheers, Sandra. Thank you. Thanks, Buzz. Thank you. Cheers, Justin. Cheers. With your bravery beer going on there. With my bravery beer. Salute.
SPEAKER_05And uh perfect. Perfect. Everybody's set and looking good now.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, we we have the cigars. Thanks, Buzz, for the cigars. We'll we're we're gonna work on getting those lit up here as well. The ambiance is working now. Yes, absolutely. And uh oh, Buzz is oh, you got the cutter and uh in the yeah. Okay, all right. I'm liking this. Yeah, it's good. And uh oh, there's the lighter. Okay, that's kind of a key ingredient is uh smoking. Anyway, I'm gonna let Justin run with the uh the um the the show. Let's get into it. We got our cigars and we got our uh alcoholic adult beverages.
SPEAKER_05All right, so Sandra, where we like to start is your early life. And you can kind of you can kind of start wherever you feel necessary. Um there's not a real you know exact point in time where we like to start. Uh we like to just kind of throw it to you. So just go ahead and tell the masses about yourself, uh what you do, um, and then just go back into your early points of your life um and give us a little insight about who you are as a person.
SPEAKER_07Okay, well, I'm a native Californian, born and uh raised in Los Angeles till I was about ten years old, and my parents bought our first home in La Puente, California. And that's um I have there's a total of five of us, and I'm the only girl out of five. So growing up was very interesting. I thought everybody was rough and tough like me, but um anyhow, the very protective um blue-collar family, grew up in La Puente, um, very strict. Um went to La Puente High School. I had four brothers, um, very athletic. Uh needless to say, everybody was afraid to date me because of my brothers. So um, but it was fun. I mean, it was fun. I learned a lot. Um, they were very protective, very supportive of me.
SPEAKER_04Um by the way, for some reason your brothers like me, so I never felt too intimidated, although Gary especially could have easily kicked my ass.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, you came along at a better time after they met some of the other guys.
SPEAKER_05But um Yeah, how did he win them over?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so yeah, so fast forward. So I go to high school, go to college my freshman year. Um proud to say I'm the first female in our family to graduate college, um, being of Mexican descent and um big families. Um a lot of it wasn't uh grand grandmothers and what have you, just they had a lot of children, you know. So um I kind of broke the mold there. Um my dad died very young. I was a freshman in high school, and one thing he instilled with me is to use your brains. Um don't be a cheerleader and uh and uh earn your way through life and you know but use your brains. And so I did. And so I was gonna try it for cheer my freshman year in high school. Um I didn't pass the physical because I just did a fundraiser where the students uh were elected to do this to play against the faculty and donkey basketball. And I fell off the donkey toward the end of the game and tore my meniscus, and needless to say, I couldn't pass the physical for cheerleading. So I stood in student government.
SPEAKER_05And I'm gonna I'm gonna back up real quick because that's a term that I've never heard. Donkey basketball.
SPEAKER_07I'm sure it's not OSHA friendly anymore, but it was a fundraiser, and you would play the faculty and you would have uh the students, so it'd be like an elected freshman, two sophomores, three juniors, four seniors, and it was a fundraiser. It was a lot of fun. This organization would bring in um the live donkeys, and you played donkey basketball.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that would never fly today.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that was that was a thing when uh yeah, that's wild. I have never heard of that before.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so you know, I fell off the donkey just like right on my knee, and I'm like, wow, that was a stinger. But you know, it kind of formed me to um choose a different path. And um I was in student government every year in high school, got a full scholarship to Marymount my freshman year, was very homesick, transferred back home to go to Cal Poly Pomona. My mom lived in Roland Heights, and that's where I went to school, and I was a business major and uh I wanted to be a teacher, but I switched majors to business and um worked all through college, worked in automatry, which was very interesting to me because I thought I'd always need glasses, and uh ran an office right by our house and um powered through to get out of school in four years. I didn't um always took a few classes in summer and um just to get caught up and stay abreast so you could get all your classes, and that's where I met Bart. Um I think I was uh he came into my group and I wanted to go to the beach with a girlfriend one day, and I asked if I could copy his notes when I got back, and he brought them to me typewritten. I mean, this isn't kind of dating ourselves. Such a baller mode. Yeah, we didn't have computers, and so um so I thought, well, this is this is cool. I mean, this is the first time I've had someone like a guy that's like way smart, um, not copying my notes, not copying my homework, you know. So that's what really attracted me to him was his the intelligence and what he did for a living at the time, and had the ambition to want to do something greater in business and things like that. And um, because a lot of times you lose your focus along the way, and um and I have a lot of dear friends that took a different path, and you know, uh early early in life I was made of honor a few a couple of times to my best friends, and you know, those marriages didn't work, they had children, and so you you get your blessings and your life path different ways, and I sometimes I felt left out. I still don't have grandchildren, but uh that's okay. I hijacked my brother's grandkids. Oh, there you go. Yeah, so yeah, so there's there's ways to fill that void in your life, you know. But um met Bart and um I was still in school. He was a little bit older than me because he had to come back and finish his degree to follow his um uh his his flying path.
SPEAKER_04Passion to be an airline pilot.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so he only needed two classes, and in one of those classes it was I was in that class.
SPEAKER_04So he was in that it was the last class I needed. I needed one more 400 series class.
SPEAKER_07So it's kind of funny how he was in our group because in your 400-level classes and um they became kind of group centric, and so you've got to show your phone numbers and things like that, and plan a project and things like that. So that was kind of cool. Never really dated anybody in college because you'd see the same person in every class.
SPEAKER_05So he was a handsome man? He was a handsome, he was a handsome man, or don't answer that. You don't answer that, you don't get to answer that.
SPEAKER_07I think I think so. Say what you want, Sandra. I think so. A lot of my friends were like, Oh, he kind of looks like Robert Redford, or you know, kind of so oh, so not even like ruggedly handsome, just like strikingly handsome.
SPEAKER_05Because Robert Redford wasn't, you know.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, and he, you know, and I had to, I mean, I think after we got to know each other a little bit more, I mean, I think I took him clothing shopping because he always had to wear like these polyester pants and shirts, you know, to be ready to fly.
SPEAKER_05Well, he still he still does that from time to time.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so we had to like bring that kind of street smart to him, so you know.
SPEAKER_05Oh man, that's good. Yeah, that's good. I I it's okay because I have to be dressed by my wife sometimes too. So it's okay. It's okay. Yeah, it's not a big deal.
SPEAKER_04You gotta ask her this question, though. What was what describe our first date?
SPEAKER_07Yeah. Well, we went, he took me flying, he had access to airplanes, and so we went over Disneyland and things like that. So that was you know, that was my first time in small aircraft, yeah.
SPEAKER_05So trying to drop that one, kind of a flex. And it was different.
SPEAKER_07It was different because I thought, I'll never see this guy again. He's gonna be flying, I'll never see him. What's the harm? You know?
SPEAKER_05So I love it. What were you what were you uh trying to major in when you were in school? What what was what was your what was your focus? Like his was piloting an airline. No, no, no.
SPEAKER_07We both have business degrees. Business, yeah. We both had business management. When I was at Marymount, I wanted to be a school teacher. Um, and that takes a lot of dedication. And it takes a lot of uh student teaching where you don't get paid. And I felt like um a lot of my best friends are teachers and administrators, but um I focused on business because I thought I'd have more flexibility, and um so we both have business degrees.
SPEAKER_04Income. Uh I'll I I know this for a fact. So you started also really working at a very young age, right? Uh yeah for your uncle, right? For my aunt. Or for your aunt, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so um we were fortunate. So like I said, my dad died very young. My aunt had um, my mom's sister um had clothing stores, Levi clothing stores. And so all of us worked um in her clothing stores, except my youngest brother, because he was too young. But um, God, even when I was like 14, I always looked like I was five, seven and I looked older, but I worked in her clothing stores, and we sold Levi's on the weekends, and she had clothing stores like six or seven in Southern California.
SPEAKER_04And it was famous because they had, I think they had commercials. It was called Pants Plus, and I I was stunned when I found that out because I used to always hear, oh, Pants Plus, you know. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07So they were they were in the vicinity where we lived, West Cabina, Almani, uh Downey, Santa Ana, things like that. So um we were very blessed, you know, because um she opened a store, my mom ran it, my brother ran a store. Um, so I did that. So at that early age, because of the commitment to having your own business seven days a week, I thought, God, I don't want to own my own business. And whatever I do, I'm not gonna, you know, because it's it's just a lot, you know, it's just a lot like 24-7. So here we are, fast forward, and we own our own business. So and um it's just something that you always but when you have a passion and you love what you do, it doesn't feel like work. And that's what it feels like now. It doesn't feel like work.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_07So we've been blessed. I mean, you just don't know the path you're gonna take. And um, but um I did real estate for over 25 years. I sold new homes in this valley, and part of that was um started off in mortgage banking. Um, I didn't want to commute to the valley. I don't like to drive far, but I do put a lot of miles in here locally, and um I did that as a commitment here to this valley and um to raise the kids and with Bart's uh crazy hours. Uh we never left our kids alone, really. Um because uh I worked weekends, he didn't for so many years we didn't have the same days off. But um we wanted to provide that kind of lifestyle for our kids too. And a lot of it too was um I I was never babysat by anyone. We had our grandmothers and our great grandmother. And um so that's kind of a that's kind of a a path too that you know you you grow up and you want to have kids, you want to be a stay-at-home mom, and then you're like, wait a second, but I'm kind of bored. I want to do something, yeah.
SPEAKER_05So you get that itch. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07So and you don't want to you don't want to get rusty and things like that. So yeah. So I was very blessed to be able to work. Um Brian was 13 months old. I have two two sons. Um well we have two sons, Brian and Kevin, and um worked on the weekends.
SPEAKER_04Well, that's good to hear that we both have the same amount of sons.
SPEAKER_07Both on the weekends.
SPEAKER_04Were you getting orange with I have three sons, two of you? Just checking my math. Yeah. We have well by the way, we have uh we have uh Sandra's dear friend, and we love to have uh our guests if they want to bring like a girlfriend in and it's Margot over there, and she's just laughing at that one. So thanks, Marg. Yeah. Um, I just want to back up a second because um uh there's something that happened in in our lives that that was great for for us and it was great for our kids. And let me just say too, I I got out of the flying thing and we got married, and I was an air traffic controller. I did that for 25 years. When you're talking about crazy schedule, I wasn't flying around, I was an air traffic controller with a crazy schedule. But tell everybody the connection early on that we got with people on the other side of the world and and how that um translated to our our life, you know, with the city.
SPEAKER_07Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So um so Bart's mom was a teacher and her his dad uh was an Episcopalian priest, and I also did uh city planning. He was a planner at the city Merino Valley when I met them, and um they like to travel by their camper. I mean, I think Bart's visited every state in the country with his parents, you know, because of the teacher schedule and things like that. So they met these folks. No, actually through their church, they had a student exchange program. And so being the teacher that Grandma Margie is, or his mom Marge, um they were planning on uh a young a young student from uh Swit from Germany. So she made Bart and his brother Steve uh color the flag of Germany, learn a little bit about Germany and things like that. And then lo and behold, toward the um the time for him to arrive, he wasn't able to make it. And so they like substituted him with a guy from Switzerland. And they're like, Switzerland? Now we've got to learn about Switzerland. So then Johann Hoot Hooter comes to their family, he's probably 19 or so, 20 years old, and comes to visit and stay with his family in Laverne, California. And uh Bart's flying then, and he takes some flying and what have you. He had a great time, great summer with his folks, and then they invited them to go to Switzerland. And so, fast forward two years later, the whole family goes and falls in love with the family. It's a big family in uh a small section of Switzerland, south of Zurich, and um they come to visit more frequently, they they build a strong relationship. Um, I've hosted them many times, and then now their kids are getting of age to want to come here and and do studies abroad and learn English and things like that. And so one friend says, Hey, Brian's our eldest is 13 months old, they're like, We have a um a gal that wants to come and learn English. She wants to come as a Swiss or pair. We're like, Okay, so she came when Brian was 18 months old and uh helped me. Came at a really good time for me because I had just lost my oldest brother and didn't realize how bad it was gonna affect me. Um my brother was 10 years older than me and um was a blessing to our family. She came and learned English, and uh when she arrived, um didn't speak any English, but she spoke French, German, and Swiss German and Italian. So she would ask me something in Italian and I'd answer her in Spanish. And we communicated that way, and we understood we understood a lot. And now Connie Fry, yeah, great, great gal. She runs a uh hotel in um Zermont. Zermont. Iger Hotel Iger.
SPEAKER_04Uh yeah, that's in um drawn a blank where that is.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it's kind of where they film James Bond movies and things like that. Okay, yeah. It's where the Iger sanction movie was. Great. The culture, uh, the culture from the Swiss friends that we have um are very similar to like my family in Mexico. Um when I first went to Switzerland, um, before we had Brian, I felt like I was in a town in Mexico. There's a there's a bread store on every corner, like a panadaria in Mexico in every corner. There's a Catholic church in every little town. Um, everybody gets together to eat for lunchtime. Um so a lot of a lot of same qualities like living in a Hispanic family. Um, so yeah, so that was uh our relationship there.
SPEAKER_04Then after that, let me let me just back up for a second. So the the Connie, she stayed with us for six months, I believe. Yeah, and it was a blessing because we needed that because my schedule was crazy, your schedule was crazy, and then later on when we uh had our second son, Kevin, we got another Swiss opair and I believe she stayed with us for a few months.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, six months. They come for six months because they come on a tourist visa. Right. So they don't come on a working visa, so they just say, I'm here to visit, and you know, they come with their cookbooks and stuff. They're like, Well, what are you doing over there? You know, because then that's a different kind of visa you have to get.
SPEAKER_04So do you remember the one time I think it was Manuela, she was the second one. She didn't realize the oven temperatures uh are different over here. So she's trying to bake a cake, what she thought was 450 degrees, but she puts it in our oven and you know, in centigrade, she puts it in there like 205. And then she's like, after about an hour, she's looking in there, she's like, Why is this thing not baking? But you know, it's just little cultural things like that that just made it fun. But anyway, right.
SPEAKER_07So, fast forward, we've had several Swiss friends stay with us from the same family, same village, things like that. And um, it's been a great bond for our kids. Our kids have gone over to stay over there as well. Um, my boys probably speak more German than Spanish.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Hey, we're gonna wrap this first segment up and uh off to a great start, Sandra. I'm I'm trying, I'm trying. Trying to stay out of this. It's all about you. We're making it about you. But I I I love some of these little stories, and I just gotta throw in like the cake that took 18 hours to bake at 205 degrees. Isn't that like the sous vide thing or something? Something like that. Sous V cake, all right.
SPEAKER_05Um go ahead and wrap it up. Uh yeah, we're just gonna we're gonna wrap this first uh segment up here. Um we're gonna come back uh after a quick uh commercial break here. Um and we're gonna we're gonna dive a little bit deeper into you, Sandra. Uh we'll be right back, guys.
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SPEAKER_05Everybody else has has been blindfolded, gagged, shrouded. Gagged. I don't know. Well, you don't want them to say anything.
SPEAKER_04Anyway, um let's um let's transition, Sandra, into your um uh definitely the biggest part of your life prior to what you're doing now is real estate. And uh talk about how you got into that, what got you interested in that and your career and what you did and some of the companies you work for.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so um so Brian was just a baby, and I was in finance before I had him, and um, I wanted to have some flexibility and still stay abreast of the market. So I was doing uh mortgage banking, and what that means is you help people with their loan application, and this is all before computers. So I would um only work weekends. I think Brian was 13 months old, went went back to work, and um would help pre-qualify buyers on the weekends to come up to the Analytic Valley because we were fast and booming, and um the agents didn't have computers like in their office, so I'd sit there with like two other um loan officers, and we would pre-qualify buyers on the weekends. So just I just wanted to stay abreast of what was happening in the lending industry, things like that, work a little bit and uh still be a full-time mom. And um, so I did that and got into mortgage banking doing that, and then transitioned into selling new homes because I would sit at tracks and sometimes I needed an agent. So I I would say like with any kind of career, you have to be like a jack of all trades. So I was a notary, I spoke Spanish, took long applications, understand, understood the lending guidelines, and and loved selling homes. So I I would do that, sell out of track, and then come stay home with the kids and sell out of track, and so you build your reputation and things like that. So that's what I enjoyed doing, and I did that for about 25 years and um fast forward um set on tracks out here in the Antelope Valley. At one time, we had over 40 tracks, and I became a sales and marketing director for K Honani and Forecast Homes. Um enjoyed that tremendously. Um the market, of course, changed. Um so at that point, I think that's oh seven, I took some time off to move Brian out to college with my mom up here from Chino Hills, and just kind of took some time off, and then fast forward we joined KB Home and um sold some tracks out here for them, went to Santa Clarita, then came back, and at that point um Brian was uh wanting to open a brewery, and so very young at the time, he was 24 years old, and uh Bart had finished uh just retired from the FAA. We were about to move away and retire. And um some of his friends, you know, he'd he'd uh golf with his good buddy and best friend, Arlie Army the Gunny, and they tasted Brian's brewer beer and thought that this is damn good beer, we should open a brewery. So Brian kind of showed us what he wanted to do. He had worked in a brewery in Orange County, showed us the concept at that time. I believe there was only like nine or eleven breweries in LA County. So who knew this kid was gonna pull it off? So we had some of our friends kind of invest with us to open it up. And at that time I left New Home, I was actually no, I left New Homes because the market was kind of sm a lot smaller. And um I went to go lease homes, which I did uh for a couple of years. Um I still had my youngest going to college. Kevin was going to the Berkeley School of Music in Boston. So um, but I have flexibility. I was at a track every weekend, I could work my own schedule and still lease a hundred houses a year. So we opened up Bravery and um fast forward.
SPEAKER_04Um where did the name bravery come from?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so uh we had a meet we had meetings and with Lee and with All Things Brave, Brian says, Well, why don't we name it Bravery? Put Brian Avery together, and you know, everything we're doing is kind of brave.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_07So that was kind of that. And you know, who knew this kid was gonna pull it off? You know, he just overnight he became like the soul of a 40-year-old, you know.
SPEAKER_05And he said you mentioned the name Lee for those who don't know Lee, who was Lee?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, Arley Ermy the Gunny. Yeah, our um he was one of the founding partners, he's a actor and from Full Metal Jacket, one of our famous Marines in the country, lived right down the street, good friend of Bart's, they golfed a lot. Great guy, great guy. And um we lost him in 2018. I mean, he'll always be a founding partner with us. The family's still silent partners with us, and um, we were blessed. I mean, you're blessed in this valley to to make good relationships and friends, you know. Um, I don't have a sister, but I consider Marg, my friend here today, a sister, you know, and so you meet you meet your sisters along the way and you get to pick them, you know. So um, and we've been blessed in the valley with good friends in that respect, you know. And um, I always say we're blessed if our kids come back and start a business in the valley. Not every ever not every kid comes back after going away to school. And our youngest is in LA. Yeah, I mean he went away to Boston, came back, and he has to be, he's musical, he's a professional drummer, and uh very proud of him.
SPEAKER_05And um gorgeous hair.
SPEAKER_07He uh yeah, yeah, yeah. Takes after his mama. And uh he um he has to be by the studios. He has to be by the studios, so we understand that, but at least he's close by, you know. And uh yeah, both boys are different, very artistic in different ways, and now they're best buddies, and I wish you know we could see them more. And it's it's not that far when I talk to other girlfriends and their children are out of state, you know, we have to fly to see them. So, anyways, I try to try to keep that glue together and um blessed that they can come home and they all have nice partners. We have a daughter-in-law, Brian's married to Kara, and Kevin is um his girlfriend is Cassie, and we hope so I think marriage is in the in the works for them, and we love her parents. Yeah, so um, yeah, we're really blessed that they they get to come back home for holidays and things like that.
SPEAKER_05So with uh with bravery, um wanted to talk a little bit more uh with that your your role within within bravery, um, for those who who don't know um your behind the scenes of everything.
SPEAKER_07What is your what is your Yeah, so as we expanded, um what's your nickname?
SPEAKER_04Tell everybody what your nickname is, which I think is really freaking cool.
SPEAKER_07Which I love. I'm the brew mom. So yeah, because what people don't know is that well, I wanted to be a teacher, right? So b being in new home sales, I had Mondays and Tuesdays off. So on Tuesdays, I would volunteer at the elementary school. So I was room mom every year for my boys. I I enjoyed that tremendously. Got to know the kids, things like that.
SPEAKER_02Sure.
SPEAKER_07And then um junior high, they don't want you there anymore. And so, but it but it's nice because I got to know a lot of the kids and the moms that way and things like that too. So now I feel like I have 31 kids because of our employees, and I love that I love knowing about them and their children and things like that, and finding out their history. And Brian always always say, like, Mom, you know, you know their kids' names? I'm like, Yeah, you know, I it's it's important that they are take the time out of their day to come and work for us, but they have they're raising a family too. So we we can't help but become like family, but keep it professional, you know, and th and stuff like that. So with opening bravery, um, the flexibility I had early on was kind of you know getting the food trucks to come, being there for the activities at night and things like that, because we were small, but we've grown every year, and uh so now behind the scenes um that I'm there full-time, you know, and we kind of do the HR stuff and um everything. I mean, there's so much from picking up trash to ordering supplies to being outreach. I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot. People don't realize that. But primarily you're into the sales, I do the sales, I do the outside sales, and that's been a blessing because I've met a lot of people that way. And in doing so, I can find out where they struggle. And I and I try to I help them to help me to help them. Yeah, that makes any sense. No, it doesn't matter. When I when I go in, I like to see like what beer do they have? What can I compliment them with? How can I how can I educate them to let them know that we're probably one of the most award-winning breweries in Los Angeles County and and school them on it because they have a full plate too. If I have a full plate, they have a fuller plate. Yeah, and a lot of times they don't know to to ask for help. And a lot of the restaurant owners can be Latinos and they're too proud to ask for help. And I'm I'm proud to say I'm on a director with the Antelope Valley Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. And um, we reach out to the small businesses to try to bring them. I bring them in, we help them with ribbon cuttings, things like that. Um, there's a lot to a lot of programs that can help them as well, but they don't know. And so having how having bravery and being able to do everything that I do, it's allowed me to be in a city that supports us. City of Lancaster has been very instrumental in our success as well. I'm proud to say that we've started um Business Watch, and I get about a dozen of our business owners like in our one mile vicinity to come every quarter. And we learn about safety and get to know one another to watch out for each other. And then we've also started um it was tidy up a mile. We adopted our street to clean it up every quarter. Now it's team up, so we do that, and I get I get friends and our friends of bravery to come and help, and we make it fun.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And have I mean, there's a lot of people that take pride in our community, and I'm really proud that they they become friends of bravery. Yeah. And you know, you just maybe have to put out an announcement once and they come. Yeah. So there's a lot of good people in this ant in the Antelope Valley, and I think a lot of it you don't always hear about the good stuff, but um I think that's important to keep in the back of your head, and just you just have to seek them and ask them, you know, to come help or to or or just ask people how they're doing and you know, what brings them here, what's their situation today? And you just don't know, you don't know who you're sitting by in the brewery and who's there. And like um Brian shared on an announcement that he made, um, they had interviewed him for small business of the month or what have you. And what people may not know is a brew pub, the word pub comes from public house. And back in the day, that's where you went to get your information, that's where you went to pick up your mail, that's where you went to mingle, you know, uh before the internet and Facebook and all that stuff. So it's interesting to meet the people we've met along the way. And a big um, a big thing for me in my heart is to be part of our aerospace community and Edwards Air Force Base. And I've had the honor of being a honorary base commander for four years and making friends with a lot of the colonels out there and um knowing their situations, and I think a lot of people don't realize the sacrifices they make for our country. Yeah, and we've made some good friends, probably friends for life that way. And proud to say that um four of our tasting room employees um work at the base and um and they've gotten they've gotten to know what goes on there, and um we're able to to network through that channel. And also what I'm proud to say too is that I think this is our sixth time our team will have the test pilot class come in and brew a beer every six months for their graduation, and then they launch it on their graduation day. They were they're able to design the label with their logo. Everybody has a patch and a logo, and they're very proud of. And we were at a dinner party for Civmil. Civmil, if you don't know, is civilians civilians helping military. And the colonels there came up to Bart and I and said, you know, we see what you guys do, keep doing what you do. It means the world to them. And so they'll come on a Saturday morning and brew with our team, and these guys are from all over the country, and they're here with no family. Yeah, so you can't help but feel like family with them. And there's some other things too that I've connected with, you know. I was able, I was able to stand up as a witness for one of the colonels. I mean, he needed to get married quickly and things like that, you know. You just don't know, and you forget, like, wow, this is your family. Yeah, we are part family, so it's been a blessing. Um, we're able to open our doors for a lot of organizations to help with fundraising. A lot of things that are dear to my heart are, of course, are the military and our children of the valley, you know. So another thing dear to my heart is the barnyard bells that we raise money to buy the livestock auction at the fair. So I'm able to open our doors and provide uh a place to meet with a lot of the business owners that want to support. And we're really blessed to have a lot of supporters in this valley that people don't get that recognition all the time.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I wanted to I wanted to touch back on something you said earlier with um with bravery and you going around to these other places and kind of schooling them and and and teaching them kind of like the whole thing. And it's and it's kind of interesting to see because like I've obviously go to like a lot of like restaurants and everything, and and a lot of these places I think just think beer is just beer and that's it. But beer creates a vibe. Um and a lot of places that have we'll say big beer, um, I'll see a lot of people want the local beer more than they want the big beer. Um and that does create that kind of conversation of well, yeah, because I I always get this, you know, this bravery beer because I always go to the brewery, because it's an incredible vibe, because it's an incredible experience. It's not just going to a a brewery and and just having some having some drinks and having some food. There is an actual feeling and an actual vibe that is coming out of it. So it's kind of nice having you going around and kind of telling these people there is a reason why this beer needs to be within your establishment because it does create that conversation not just at bravery but everywhere else.
SPEAKER_07So a lot of that too is once they come into Bravery, you talk about the vibe, but the experience is important, and we're blessed to have incredible servers. And what I mean by that is that they're all beer certified servers. So they've read the book on all about beer, they've taken the test, they'll they'll um help educate if the buyer, if the customer wants to learn about beer, and not in a snooty way, they'll just like, hey, if you like that, you're gonna like this, and let me share with you. And once you can get someone to to taste it, they probably don't go back. Yeah, and so you have to be open, you have to be open, and um, we're really blessed that you know Brian's a Cesarone, which is equivalent to like a wine Somalier, and my daughter-in-law Kara is a Somalier, so they've taken time to educate themselves and to get that certification, and I think they they educate our servers, and and I've I learned something new almost every day. Yeah, almost every day from the ingredients and what have you. Trust me, when we opened, I didn't know I had flashcards.
SPEAKER_02I didn't know about beer.
SPEAKER_07So, you know, if you want to take the time to to pivot and learn something new and do something different, you can learn it. Yeah, I mean, there's there's gonna be people that you can't change and that's okay. I always say there's enough sunshine for everyone, you know, whether you're sipping a bravery brew or something else, it's okay. So um I think I think that and the relationship that people that want to come in and experience that vibe and have a good beer, um, they become friends. You can't help but not become friends. Yeah, no, for sure.
SPEAKER_05For sure. You definitely get that when you walk in. You you you see the comfortability of everybody. So and that's what you bring.
SPEAKER_07Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_05Thank you.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I'd like to know everybody. I mean, uh, you know, without asking them, what do you do? You know, what brought you here? How did you hear about us? Things like that, you know. Right. Everybody always has a different situation that you may not know. Oh, for sure.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_04You know, the timing is perfect because we we're coming up on another break, but Buzz, can you uh are you good, Sandra, with uh I could use another little bit of uh the prosecco. Thank you. And uh so yeah, we we need to the the the last segment is the really fun segment, I would say. It's where we're gonna be last. Yeah, we say this all the time. We save it for yeah, we save it for the end. But it it it's always fun when uh you know the guest has a little buzz going on. So Buzz, did you hear that? Okay, Buzz. Okay, give me some too. Okay. Anyway, we're gonna take a we're gonna take uh our second break here, and when we come back, we're gonna hear a lot more about Sandra, and then you're gonna learn stuff you n you would have no idea of. Trust me. We'll be right back.
SPEAKER_05Hey, deep divers. For 14 years, Bravery Brewing Company has been a cornerstone of the Antelope Valley, serving up award-winning beer alongside some seriously craveworthy eats. From handcrafted pizzas to chicken wings and giant soft pretzels paired with irresistible dipping sauces, there's something for everyone. Kick back and enjoy the laid-back atmosphere. Whether you're hosting a company party, celebrating a birthday, or gathering with fellow baseball fans to catch a Dodgers game on the brand new big screen TVs out on the back patio. Bravery Brewing Company isn't just a brewery, it's the place to be. For more information, visit Braverybrewing.com. Welcome back, Deep Divers. We are still sitting here with Brew Mom. Sandra Avery. Extraordinaire. Um wanted to kick off our our final segment here um with a uh award that you received uh back in March of 2025. Um a huge, huge honor that you received. Uh why don't you go ahead and tell everybody about this uh massive recognition?
SPEAKER_07I was I was so surprised. I mean, because what I do, I don't do for recognition. Um I think that's just it's just in my blood to want to help others, you know. It's just like because if they do well, we'll do well. Yeah. That type of thing. And um, yes, I was honored to be selected as woman of the year for our Senate uh district here with our Cisette Um Beladaris. I got to fly to Sacramento and huge honor. Um a lot of it is because of our charity work that we do through bravery. Um basically, I feel my platform is to help a lot of our local charities because if they come in and help us, we help them. Um a lot of it is through my son Brian. Ryan. It's his ideas. Everything we do. And I think that's part of it what makes us successful is we have his generation, we have our generation. We see things differently. Now, you know, everybody looks on the internet to find out what's going on and you know where to go and things like that. I get laughed out because I still get the local newspaper delivered to the house. And I read that and I'll read about you know day old business and things like that. But for me, it helps me in sales. It helps me to know who's coming, who's going, what's happening. Even though it's a day late, you see it in print, and I'm kind of old school like that. I like to read it.
SPEAKER_03Sure.
SPEAKER_07But um basically that award kind of blew me away. Um, we were recognized for all the organizations we're able to help through bravery and and not and can't help but become friends with everybody and have a safe place for them to come and have ideas and to share, you know, how do we fundraise? What do we do? What's our cause here? You know, what how can I help you? Um, we've been blessed in that reg in that regard. One one uh local nonprofit that's very dear to my heart that I've recently become involved with is I say we celebrate now with a cause. And what I mean by that is for the last two or three years I've had the local Folklorico group come help us for Cinco de Mayo celebration. And we made a fundraiser for them and helped them to get to uh Veracruz, Mexico, and that was very dear to my heart because I did dance folklorico when I was 11, 12 years old. And these kids are phenomenal. Um they're good students, they they dance hard, they practice hard, and just to lift them up to do a silent auction at bravery just meant the world to them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And um, we got together to to kind of um brainstorm how we could make some money, and and we did it. And it just it just makes me so happy to see that, to give them recognition. Um making friends along the way, doing press releases, because if you don't raise your hand, they don't know. And I know one time I had a conversation with our city manager, and I said, you know, I had this concern, but I didn't want to feel like the sky was falling, and I call you for everything. And he says, No, Sandra, please do. Yeah, we only have two eyes and times whatever 70 employees they have at the city, but your two eyes plus your two eyes here with your employees helps us to see what we don't see. Yeah, and so now I feel a little bit at ease about calling and saying, you know, I don't know if you're aware of this, but this is what's happening. And I think that's important. And I think a lot of times if I could get recognition, and I was so happy to see a press release in color for our local folklórico group, the Almas Mexicanas, and they teach at our local schools. Yeah. Um, if you don't you don't know if you can't share it. And so that was one of my proudest, proudest moments this last May to have them and then to have them recognize in our local paper and magazine. Um, and there's a lot of kids like that with the livestock, the 4-H kids at the fair, um at the fairgrounds, the um the young missus that run for our pageant. I've utilized them more than anything. I would had the pleasure of sitting in as a as a judge and hearing these kids and everything that they do, and just amazing, amazing. It gives us hope for our valley and our leadership here. Um it's just you know, just getting to know them and opening our doors to have them come in. Um it just it just blesses our heart. It makes us I who knew this was the path that we're gonna take and to help our military and just different groups that want to come in and utilize us and help us to help them.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So another another uh one that you that you guys do at Bravery um is pizza with a purpose.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were able to do that and help quite a few organizations with that. Um and to just to bring awareness to some of our groups out here. And uh that's all Brian's idea. You know, we're giving back to the community in every which way we can. Um and if it's just you know, promoting them and helping them and opening our doors for them and being the world to them. Um yeah, I just I can't say enough about that. And I've made good friends along the way. Um, some of my best friends now are from the chamber. Um when I first started, I always say I got out of um new home jail because I didn't have to be there every weekend in a uniform. And um when I joined the chamber, that you know, that that year I was able to meet different um different people. I was able to sponsor luncheons for principals that that year I at least a hundred homes just by networking with the chamber. But you have to show up. You have to show up, you have to meet people, and you have to let them know your message and what you're doing. And if you don't show up, I mean like people some people say, Hey, why should I join the chamber? They don't do anything for me, but you have to show up so that we can introduce you and you can meet people. Just like you never know. Uh what I would love to do when I was in upper management in new homes, and we would get together with our division heads. It was something that Rudy Giuliani did, and he shared that in his book he wrote, and he was former mayor of New York. Every department would share what they were doing and what was going on, and I feel like I have that with bravery too, because everyone's so unique, and we can share with our employees what's going on, what we're doing, and someone has a connection or knows that person or knows what to do or has an introduction for that person. And if you don't share what you're doing, they're not gonna know. And I may be able to help them that in that respect. And I get a lot of support. Some of my best friends now, I'm proud to say, are from the Chamber of Commerce, the Antelobelli Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, and I will share, like, hey, we're doing this, and they're the first ones to show up to help volunteer because I can't do it by myself.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_07You know, I just the blue the blue star moms, the the coffee for vets, they show up I don't have to even ask twice, you know, and it's just like because it's gonna give awareness for their organization, but and it's gonna help them help us to help them. And um, I enjoy that. I enjoy there I've met some nice, nice people that way. One thing that's coming up dear to our hearts that we were asked to do is to help with the celebration of life from the tragic B-52 crash and the torch one-one. So we had to get special permission because you have to do it with respect and honor to the families, and we're gonna host that this Monday at Bravery. And we're gonna make it light, we're gonna make it to show that the community cares. Yeah. And you have you have backup, you have family, you have support. And we're honored to do that. And um I couldn't do without I what I do without the support of our friends and family from our community. Um, they've become like family. Um I just I just have to share what's happening. Another dear another organization that's dear to my heart is the Civ Civ Mill, and that's Civilians Helping Military. And I think we've donated beer just about every year that I can remember. And um this Thursday they'll have their barbecue. And um the awareness there is that they help this, they help the military. And what was dear to us, and they asked, like, you know, why do you why are you so passionate about helping us? And I said, you know, it had to be about 10 years ago. We had a head brewer, Brad, and um, he was former Navy. His wife came to Edwards or First Base to finish off her career, and um she lost her mama, and they had a family, they had two children under the age of four. Um she lost her mama suddenly, and she had to get back to the East Coast. Uh Bart made one phone call to our dear friend Danny Bazell, who was in Civmill. Do you know that they helped the family with airline flights to get back there overnight? We didn't have to ask twice. That's incredible. And that's the kind of thing you do.
SPEAKER_04I'm getting goosebumps. I know you I think yours pull back the tears a bit. You know what it just it happens because you know, you just you just poor spill your guts. You have to help help. Do whatever you can do to help people out. And some stories like that pop up and you're just like, wow.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And you don't know. And I think a lot of our our servicemen they don't share what they're going through. No, you know, they don't share. But if they can come and have a a a glass of beer and feel comfortable and talk to us, it makes them feel like family. No, yeah. And it makes them feel the love from everybody, everybody in our team. We have an incredible team. Yeah, it's it's not me, it's everybody at bravery. Yeah, you know, so it's a family.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I'll pass.
SPEAKER_07I was gonna say something I should yeah, but anyway, yeah, but you know, so I've learned so much about aviation. You know, I look up in the sky and heck I know what that airplane is. Yeah, you know, I didn't know that before. For sure, for sure. You know, and it's and it's and there's so much more that can come to our valley. I always say there's no reason why our Palm Dale airport can't look like Long Beach, you know. And maybe, well, maybe we'll get another committee to do that. But you know, we're gonna have some more growth here.
SPEAKER_04I I think so too. Let me okay, let me just tell you this, Sandra. So this is the point of the this is where it really gets fun, I think. Well, it's been fun, but it it now we start we start hitting. Now that we need to uplift her a little bit. Yeah, we uh we uh but Buzz ran for the tissue box, but then you were able to stop the tears, so you did get Buzz. Thank you. Um okay, this is the this is one of the cool things. I haven't seen these.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I I made sure that they came to my email instead of yours.
SPEAKER_04Well, it's a little it's a little different when uh the the uh our um guest is uh your wife. And I uh that's why I'm letting you do most of the stuff here. So I'll let you do that part of it, and then we'll do what's called last call, which uh I don't think Sandra knows what what's she's about to have to answer. That's fine.
SPEAKER_05And it's and it's better that way. Um so uh so every uh every episode we like to have um our guests send in uh five interesting uh facts about themselves that uh maybe not a lot of people know. Maybe it's not really show uh shared across the the masses and maybe not in their immediate friend group. Uh maybe there is some things that maybe slip through the crack, and maybe they do know, but um I had uh I had Sandra uh work diligently, I would say, uh in creating this. This took this took almost a week for me to get from you, but um I was I was laughing all the way through uh watching you work diligently on this. Um so I have here five facts or four facts, um, but you have a secret fifth that you have not uh shared uh with me at all. But we're gonna start with the with the first one here, um, and then just kind of touch on it a little bit. Uh so uh says here that you were the first woman on both sides of your family to earn a college degree, uh, that you have a BS in business management and being the first in your family to graduate from college.
SPEAKER_07Yes. That's correct.
SPEAKER_05And and that was a beautiful touch on that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04It sounds like it sounds like we're in court and the that your lawyers are saying it, just say yes or no. She's hooked up to a lie detector right now.
SPEAKER_07So let me share with you. I think a lot of that motivation is because my dad died so young. I never saw a man take care of my mom. We've all worked so hard, and so that was my motivation to get a degree.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_07To be able to support myself and not rely on a man. I mean, amen, sister.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. I love it. That's that's great. Um, second one you have here is uh you put uh as a which you did touch in on this earlier, and I had to I had to comment on it. Uh freshman in high school, you played donkey basketball, uh fundraiser, uh students versus faculty game, um, and then you and then you fell and tore your meniscus, um, which then you could not try out for uh cheerleading and uh couldn't pass the physical uh for that. So we we did touch on that earlier. Um what made you get into donkey basketball just to begin with?
SPEAKER_07So um like you hear that and you go, Yeah, wow, yeah. So I was basketball. So I was freshman class president, you know, an ASB, and so you vote, you vote in your home room who you want to see on the donkey. So you got one freshman, I was the one freshman, you got two sophomores, three juniors, four seniors. So I was the freshman. So I went, you know, but and I I came from cheerleading. I was in eighth grade, I was a cheerleader, and I had gone to Santa Barbara for cheerleading camp. And so was so disappointed that I didn't pass the physical. But my dad always said, you know, you shouldn't be a cheerleader or you should stay in student government. And that path took me that way, and that was the year my dad died. Right. So I focused on my studies and to get a scholarship, and because our family didn't have it. Right, right. And so that's what I did. So I think I think your path that you take, you don't know why you're taking that path at times, right? But you're taking that path.
SPEAKER_05Something just happens in a good time.
SPEAKER_07So and I think because now I think going on, I don't think that's OSHA-friendly anymore to do that, you know.
SPEAKER_05Definitely wouldn't fly now. Um, next one you have here is that uh you're one of only a few of your five siblings uh who speak fluent Spanish.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so you know, growing up, I wish I would have paid more attention. So my parents uh were born here in the United States. My dad was born in Tucson, Arizona in 1934, and I had the privilege of visiting his home where he was born, is still there. I went five years ago, and my mom was born in Los Angeles, California, in 1935. So um my we always lived by my grandmother and my great-grandmother till like I was about 10 years old, and I was always in the kitchen with them. I was the only girl. So they spoke to us in Spanish. We answered in English. Um, my parents didn't want to teach us Spanish because when they went to school in kindergarten, they got their hands slapped by the by the nuns if they spoke Spanish, it wasn't allowed. So we learned I learned Spanish in the kitchen with my grandmother and my great grandmother, and I wish I would have paid more attention. My great-grandmother came, she sold her general store in Mexico. They came from Torreón Gomos Palacio, which is in northern Mexico, and I've had the privilege of visiting my grandmother's hometown. She used to get robbed by Pancho Villa. Wow.
SPEAKER_04And um my grandmother, my great grandmother wasn't that the fifth one. Oh, I don't know. But that's okay. Just forget.
SPEAKER_07So um my great-grandmother was tough. I remember I must have been about seven or eight years old. We were in Boyle Heights and we had connecting backyards. For so for Sunday night dinner, she grabbed one of the family chickens and twisted the neck and plucked it for dinner. She was badass.
SPEAKER_04Fun. Yeah. Uh, isn't PETA like one of our um sponsors? So we're gonna have to like edit that part out.
SPEAKER_07I was mortified. I didn't have dinner that night. I didn't want to have chicken from our farm, from our land, our backyard. So I think I just had things.
SPEAKER_04Because you found out the way they had to in their lives.
SPEAKER_07As a kid, oh my gosh. So, but stories from my great-grandmother, my grandmother. Um, I wish I would have paid more attention. I share them now. I share a lot of stories with my kids now. Um, there is a great book out there about the Mexican roots, it's called The Reign of Gold by Victor Villa Senor. I think my grandmother is in one of the pictures as a bridesmaid. So I'm connecting with the author's wife to talk about that. Um, but the stories that they had and the and the invaluable lessons that I've learned from them. I mean, we didn't growing up, we didn't have an urgent care on every corner. And I think I just taught Bart how to make hierva wana. We have mint leaves in our garden. When you get sick to your stomach, that's the tea that you make. And that's what my grandmothers and great-grandmothers made us, you know. And those were the remedies we have at home. So I was blessed to be able to be brought up by my grandmothers and my great grandmother and learn all those remedies and things like that that I try to instill and share with my kids. Right.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it's awesome. That's awesome. I like that was that's Pancho Via, that's crazy. Um fourth one you have here, uh, you we we we went through the we went through that earlier, um, but still just an interesting one. Uh that you met uh Mr. Bart here uh at Cal Poly Pomona uh in one of his last classes in summer school, and the first date was uh flying as a as a corporal pilot.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah. Yep, that's kind of I mean, you know, going through it. It's always a fun story to hear. Yeah, it's it's fun.
SPEAKER_04I you know, I always challenge people like uh, you know, that got married and like what was your first date? Oh, we went and saw a movie, went to a restaurant stuff. Who takes a frickin' girl that you just in a frickin' It was a flexibility at the time today? This would be about a three or four hundred thousand dollar airplane we jump into, we're just flying around, and she's like, What the heck is that?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it's funny, it's funny, you don't know who you know until you start talking. And so I worked for two eye doctors all through college because I was able to run their office and things like that, and I wore glasses and so, or contact lenses, and so I helped them at the business end there. And then one of the doctors he gave flying lessons to. You know, Bart comes in on a Saturday and he's like, You know him? And I'm like, Yeah, that was my flight instructor, you know. So it's just like so you got to behave everywhere you go because you don't know who you know until you see them.
SPEAKER_04And my understanding was he didn't like me for some reason. I was too hard on him or something. But he was he was not a good pilot.
SPEAKER_02He was a bit he was a better eye doctor. He was a better stick with the eye doctor stuff, pal.
SPEAKER_05All right, so this fifth fact uh I don't have here, so that you're you're going to be no.
SPEAKER_07So that was the one about Pancho Villa that I thought about. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's still crazy cool.
SPEAKER_05So crazy, like crazy cool as far as like the whole story of it, but not cool getting robbed by him.
SPEAKER_04Now that we know, we can deep dive on this because she's bringing it up. So uh for the audience, uh, I mean, I've heard the name Pancho Villa many, many times. Who was Pancho Villa?
SPEAKER_07It was a bandito. It's okay, like the Frito Bandito, or so this is the story. In this in this book that I reference, it's a biography. It's a it's a biography about um Victor Villa Senora's family coming from Mexico, and a lot of the stories we're hearing my great-grandmother talk about stories from Mexico. Um, she lost a brother uh was struck by lightning, rounding up the cattle in Mexico, and that was her brother Jesus. And so the kids are like, Mom, you have a story for everything. When we had just moved into our house here, the kids were like fascinated, and Brian's out the window. Mom, look how cool the lightning and thunder. And I'm like, get away from the window. My Nana's brother got killed by lightning. And there's like, Mom, you have a story about everything. I'm like, well, that's how we learned. We learned the stories from our great-grandmothers. Yeah. You know, what happened and why they did that and things like that. My grandmother would be taking a nap, have her cane by her side, and wake up and like start hitting whoever was close to her. I always had a football player at our house because my brothers were football players and they'd come home and take a nap between Hell Week or what have you. We're like, nah, nah, it's okay. That's a good guy, you know. So she would have like flashbacks.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_07And I wish I would have paid attention to more stories from them. Yeah. But they learn so much. The things that I I teach um like my cousin's kids now. Like, I'm like, you didn't know this, but your nonna would make the the frijoles in the kitchen, and she would she would score a cross into the onion to bless the beans. They're like, we didn't know that. We're gonna do our beans like that now, you know, just little traditions like that. And I thought everybody had a nonna, everybody had a grandma that learned tricks and trades in the kitchen, you know.
SPEAKER_04So good going back to this uh fact number five, the uh what what's the name of the Pancho Villa Pancho Villa? So is that kind of like in America if you got robbed by uh Bonnie and Clyde or something? It's like kind of a celebrity, famous person that robbed you. So what they would do is Dusty James.
SPEAKER_07No, it would kind of be like the mafia.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_07Kind of like they come in, see what you had, so in a simple.
SPEAKER_04But this guy was like one of the famous bad guys in Mexico.
SPEAKER_07He would go in and they would come and see like what you can give them from your farm to that they could steal and utilize. The girls would hide in the manure so they wouldn't get raped by the soldiers. Oh boy, yeah. So yeah, so there's a so there, and this is all in this biography. And I'm like, this is like hearing stories of my great-grandmother, you know. And I think that's that's what makes a person, you know, and you know, and a survivor. And I think about a lot of things that you know our ancestors taught, and now I'm one of the oldest in the family. So now how I say the story, that's how it goes.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, you can just make stuff up. Yeah, so just one more thing that uh uh I think the viewers might appreciate. So when I first started dating her, and I got into whole Mexican culture, which I'm so proud the fact that I'm married to this hundred percent Mexican lady who um have given me two 50% Mexican children, it's a great heritage. I've learned a lot about uh Manudo and all this other stuff, you know. And I look and one has great hair. Well, you know what's really cool is I know all the cuss words in Spanish too. Because of Sandra. But one time I went to her house early on when we were dating, and her mom was making tamales.
SPEAKER_07Tamales.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and she He did the whole thing from scratch, which I don't think a lot of people I don't know who does it from scratch.
SPEAKER_07But nowadays you don't really have to. You can buy stuff. Right. We didn't have the Bayartas and all that back then.
SPEAKER_02Exactly.
SPEAKER_07So my mom would come home from work every day and do a different preparation. I think Bart came on the day when she was cooking the chilies. She was cooking the chilies.
SPEAKER_04I literally, I literally walked in the house and I thought I was gonna die. I couldn't breathe. I was like, now I like hot food, you know, being married to this hot Mexican chick over here. And uh I walked in the house, I was like, I I I was gagging. I had I was coughing, I couldn't breathe, and I had to walk out of the house. I'm like, how do you guys survive in here? Do you remember that, Sandra? I was like, I'm like, what the heck? Yeah, that's great. That's that's genuine tamales.
SPEAKER_07But I I have to make a confession though. So there's a wait. So my mom would come and do all that preparation. I'm like, mom, I have to work tonight. Oh, Saturday, I'm working. Like I would get out of making the tamales. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work.
SPEAKER_05I've seen it done. It is a lot of work.
SPEAKER_07The tamales were designed to have a lot of sisters to help you in the kitchen. I had four brothers. So, but needless to say, they all know how to cook too. So, but um That's great. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05All right, Sandra. We are uh we are here at the final part of the show here. Um, this is our favorite part of the show. Uh this is called Last Call. Last Call from Alcohol Buzz. Oh, Buzz, you're leaving? Yeah, he's walking in. What does he have another gig or something's gotta go do? What the heck? I think he plays in a band.
SPEAKER_04He plays double left-handed bass guitar. It sounds awkward. Alright, Buzz. Have fun. See you later, buddy.
SPEAKER_05Um, so this uh we've got uh we've got a list of uh rapid fire questions, um, and you're just gonna give your answers to them. Well, it's nothing nothing painful at all. Um do you want me to start this one off, or you want to you okay, you want I'll take it. Alright, so um what is your go-to cocktail?
SPEAKER_07Um tequila? It's not really a cocktail, but uh I mean no, I can't.
SPEAKER_05I can I can vouch for that. I mean that's fun.
SPEAKER_02I mean a good tequila.
SPEAKER_05I could just I could vouch for that.
SPEAKER_04You know what? Can I let me just tell a funny story? So we were actually in the speakeasy, which we don't know where the speakeasy is, somewhere out there. And it was last year in the Worlds World Series when they played 18 innings, right? So we were sitting out here with we never turned the there's a TV in the speakeasy, we never turn it on. So we're in here, and Sanders like I think it was the 12th inning, and it ended up being an 18-inning game.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god, yeah.
SPEAKER_04And so Sander goes, like, there's about eight eight people here, and they all like tequila. And Sander goes, How about this? How about if they go to the 13th inning, we'll have a shot of tequila? And we're like, Yeah, it makes sense. So it goes the 13th inning, and then it goes to the 14th inning, then it goes to the 15th. Okay, need I go on. So that's how much Sanders in the tequila.
SPEAKER_07No, but it was it was a good tequila. It was in a Nahar. Of course it was. And I had a slice of orange and a cinnamon, cinnamon powder on top. So you sip it, and it's like a it's just so smooth. Yeah. So I like that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that was uh Okay, okay, ready for the next one, Sandra? I might have to skip some of these questions. No, this one I can't do. This one I can ask her. Okay, what's your favorite sport to watch on the telly?
SPEAKER_03Probably football. Okay, football. Yeah, American football.
SPEAKER_05All right, oh, American football. Not not football. Not football. Football is life. All right. I love this next one. This is always my favorite one. Um, so if you could have a drink with any historical figure, dead or alive, who would it be?
SPEAKER_07Hi, ay, ay. Male or female? Whatever you want.
SPEAKER_05Any historical figure.
SPEAKER_07Um God, I don't know.
SPEAKER_04Come on, Santa.
SPEAKER_07Who would it be?
SPEAKER_04Somebody you'd just love to talk to that's probably passed away. Yeah, it could be Jesus, it could be um, you know. Anyone. Uh Pancho Villa. Like, why were you robbing my nonna? My nonna. Damn, dude.
SPEAKER_07You know.
SPEAKER_05Did you have enough shit? Think about Oh no.
SPEAKER_07Oh no. I don't know.
SPEAKER_05So I don't My mom can still listen to you. I'll bleep that out.
SPEAKER_07I don't know about I don't know about a historical figure because I feel like I would want to know that person, but I wish that I could it's I could speak to my great-grandmothers again. Okay. And pay attention. Well, there you go. That's a good one. No, that's great. Because I lost them and so like I have pictures. I you people don't know, but we have a great-grandmother that was part Syrian. And I have the pictures. Being the only girl, I have my grandmother's pictures and my mom's pictures, and I wish if I could suggest to anybody, write down who they are on the back of the picture.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_07Don't screw up the picture, maybe put a sticky, sure. But I have those, and now that my cousin's kids are calling me like Sandra, they said you would know. I'm like, I know who she is, but I don't know the name. And I wish I could have written that down. If I could, my aunts, my my two aunts, and I had two favorite aunts on my my mom's side and my dad's side, and my godmother. I mean, they had they had stories, and it was the truth. It was our history, and I think that's who I wish I could have interviewed more was my great-grandmother's that's really good.
SPEAKER_05See, she's the first one that's done that. You know, and you're thinking, you're thinking, you know, when I a president or whatever entertainer, and that's your history. When I went to Mexico that's incredible, yeah. When I went to that's a great answer to that.
SPEAKER_07When I went to Mexico, they're like, they look at you. I was five's seven when I was like in fifth grade. So like I was always the tallest. And they're like, where did you come from? Well, we have a great grandmother, and all I know her by is Melina, and she had blue eyes, and she was six foot. That was not normal. No, and but but I'm I think she died when I was before I was five years old. I kind of remember it, and I don't know if I remember her or I remember her from pictures.
SPEAKER_05Sure.
SPEAKER_07But they're like, you take after, you know, um mama or whatever her name was, you know. And I'm like, I wish I would have written that down. I wish I could have, you know. But they came um, my my parents, my father's family came from Senora, Mexico, and um the one Theo was uh a mariachi, and he's in the music hall of fame in Tucson. And I didn't know that, but a cousin saw that I was there, she goes like Sandra, you're here, and I'm like, Yeah, I'm here. She goes, Did you know my grandpa? My grandpa Pancho. And I'm like, Yeah, Theo Pancho. He's in the music hall of fame. He came as a mariachi. That's how he got his green card. My grandfather came as uh that's pretty cool. Work to work on the uh US Railroad um in Tucson. And I'm like, wow, okay, but you don't know that unless you're around family or you ask questions, things like that. And I knew Theo Pancho. They played at my I was eight years old and they they played happy birthday to me at my Theomondo's wedding, and everybody came up and gave me a dollar. I was eight years old, they were the mariachis, you know. But um, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04That'd be like giving you 20 bucks today. But a dollar back then is saying, Okay, the okay.
SPEAKER_05That was that's a that was a really good answer.
SPEAKER_04I really actually this next question, um, and I've been married to this beautiful, amazing woman for 42 plus years, and I love it. I don't think I know the answer to this question, but I'm gonna ask you. Really? All the 18 million people that are gonna be listening to this podcast are gonna want to know this answer. Who's your favorite musical artist?
SPEAKER_07God, I always get asked that.
SPEAKER_04You by who?
SPEAKER_07By everyone. They're like, what's your favorite song? What's your favorite? There are so many. I don't, okay, so in what genre? My favorite probably Just don't say Taylor Swift or anything. Oh, probably like Mexican music?
SPEAKER_04I whatever.
SPEAKER_07Javier Solis, Vicente Fernandez. You know, how do you not? You got you know, it depends. You know, where are you? Where what are you selling?
SPEAKER_04Okay, let me let me let me let me uh rephrase it. Lynn, it you know, phase uh favorite music all are if you could literally go to a concert tomorrow and sit in front row. There that no, be on the stage, actually with this person, sitting in a chair next to who would it be?
SPEAKER_07Stevie Wonder.
SPEAKER_04Oh, there you go. Oh, it was fast and easy. Wow, wow, wow. You know, it's funny because we had uh uh Lamont Van Hook earlier in our podcast, and he works with Stevie Wonder, and he's pretty sure Stevie Wonder is listening to these podcasts, so he he'll be blown away by it.
SPEAKER_07To be to be blind and to be so musically inclined the way he is, that's just like that's a great answer, Sam.
SPEAKER_04I like it. I love you even more now.
SPEAKER_07I can't even sing like that and have vision, you know. All right.
SPEAKER_05Uh so next one we have here. I'm pretty sure I know I can't wait to hear this one. I think I know the answer, but I think she's gonna blow our minds. Is it gonna be a flip? I think it's she's gonna flip-flop on this. Uh, what is your favorite place to travel for a weekend getaway?
SPEAKER_02Or a week?
SPEAKER_05Or a week. We could do a week. I think I like a week.
SPEAKER_04We always say a weekend, but it could be a week. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00In the whole world.
SPEAKER_04In the whole world.
SPEAKER_07For one week. The most bang for your back is gonna go is going to be go to go to Maui for a week. I already knew it. I knew it. I told you there's nothing. Thank you, Sandra. Let me share with you. It's you you get there, the smell, the aroma, the ocean breeze, um, the people, not only because our best friends are there and our good friend Emilio, my brother Emilio, but it's a different way of letting your hair down, walking around in flip-flops, no one's gonna judge you. You're gonna get good food, fresh food, and the ocean, and you're gonna decompress. I like it. I mean, if you have if you want to get all that in one, you're gonna do that.
SPEAKER_04Do you want to go there anyway? Do you want to go to Maui again?
SPEAKER_07I always go to Maui.
SPEAKER_04So sorry, Sandra, about that. Okay, my next question to you, our next question in this segment we call last call. Okay, so if you were to host a speakeasy and like we have we all had to do in the secret password to get in here, what would be your secret password to get into the speakeasy?
SPEAKER_06Oh, with one word?
SPEAKER_05Mm-hmm. Or it could be a you know, it could be a sentence too. I mean, it could be super fragile. I mean, that's a fragulistic extract.
SPEAKER_04It counts as a password, you know.
SPEAKER_07Oh my god. Like the river runs at midnight. But all the passwords I have to remember for the code.
SPEAKER_04You can you could you can say pass if you want.
SPEAKER_07I would just put like aloha.
SPEAKER_04Aloha.
SPEAKER_05That's a good one. Oh, yeah, I like that.
SPEAKER_07Or adios. No.
SPEAKER_05And we always like to put out there too that once you answer that question, see, nobody has ever said, I'm not gonna answer that. Everybody that answers it, we all know the password to your speakeasy now. So we can just get in whenever they want to. Oh, yeah. No, it's no one has ever been smart enough just to go, no, it's not. I'm not gonna answer that question. Aloha.
SPEAKER_07Oh no, no, oh no, there is another password. If I could make a suggestion, if you have kids, you should all have a password you use in case there's a stressful moment. Um, because you're not gonna say, Hey, mom, can you come pick me up? This guy's being a creep. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04So my kids say, like, I want I need some waffles right now.
SPEAKER_07My kids always know to say, hey, Nana call. Well, we all know Nana's dead.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah. You know, there you go.
SPEAKER_07So you gotta have a password with your kids, especially if you have daughters, you know, because they're not gonna say, Mom, this guy's being a creep, you know. Yeah. Come get me, you know.
SPEAKER_05I like that. Okay. Um, if you could instantly master any skill, what would it be?
SPEAKER_07Oh my god. You want to know my biggest challenge is learning Excel. Okay. That pisses me off so much, but thank God I have Lindsay to help me with that.
SPEAKER_05Oh man, that was not what I was expecting. No, that's Excel. You never know what you're gonna get here.
SPEAKER_07Oh man. I if you want to feel like you flunked fifth grade, try. It's like going to see the wizard to do these Excel sheets I have to do to get into these big boxes, you know. And I'm like, sometimes I'm like, oh my God, did I not, you know? And I've taken Excel classes, but I don't use it every day.
SPEAKER_05Wow, all right.
SPEAKER_04That was that was not what I was wow. That's uh that's that's in the top two one of answers we've gotten that we did not expect. Definitely.
SPEAKER_07Um what did you think I was gonna say?
SPEAKER_04I thought you might say like uh very windsurfing, skydiving, you know, going to being the the next the first woman to walk on the moon. Not that. Yeah, XL. I'm sure Bill Gates, if he's listening, is really happy about that. Like, oh XL, yeah. Maybe we can get Microsoft as our uh next uh you know, people to follow us here. All right. So this is a one that I'm a little scared to ask you as your husband. What's something on your bucket list that you're determined to cross off?
SPEAKER_07Oh, I need to Oh, I liked how you said, oh, I know that one. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Well, I gotta get to Spain and I gotta get to Portugal.
SPEAKER_04Well, I've never been to Spain. Do do to I've been to Spain and Portugal, and it's beautiful, and we will go there, Sandra.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I know. Brian says if your dad doesn't take you, he is. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_04All right, you guys go to Spain. I'll hang out with my friend Richard at his house and we'll smoke cigars and stuff. Okay, brother.
SPEAKER_05All right, well, I mean, this I feel like this is gonna be the This is gonna be another one. This is gonna be well, it might also back up to question number four, but let's see. Uh well, no, it wouldn't. Uh, what's the best concert you've ever been to?
SPEAKER_04Da da da. I don't know.
SPEAKER_07I would say I would say We don't want to have the only reason why, because it's one of my first concerts, I would say Earth, Wood, and Fire.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you've told me that so many times.
SPEAKER_07And I got to go because I was, you know, my brother's only sister and all this, and his wife couldn't go, so I got to go. I got to tag along to early concerts like that.
SPEAKER_04Okay, and uh this is this is another great one. This is another great one. All these questions are amazing. Um, what's the best piece of advice you've ever received?
SPEAKER_07Best piece of advice I've ever received. God, I don't know.
SPEAKER_05It could be from a teacher, a parent, a friend, some random person you met in the street. Anything.
SPEAKER_07I would say I was surprised this came from this little little white man that I had as a professor. I think I went in, it was I forget his name. And I always felt like I wasn't visible, you know, like, you know, who am I? And he knew that I was Hispanic, and he told me, he goes, You're you're like a hybrid. Don't don't be ashamed of your heritage because you're like a you're like a flower but blooming this way and that way because you're Hispanic, because you have a business degree, don't always have your culture into everything that you do. And I was like, I I didn't know that this man like knew like like I was I didn't feel like I was worthy in his class, you know. Sure. But I guess he saw, you know, I don't know. I guess I never thought of it that way. And he's like, don't be and don't be ashamed of where you came from. That's cool, you know.
SPEAKER_04I think that's beautiful. Thank you, Sandra.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah. That's a great piece of advice. Yeah. Um, all right, Sandra, so this is your moment to shine now. Um, not like you haven't had already an incredible show to shine. Um, so you get a nice little one and a half, two-minute segment uh right now. Uh, this is your moment. Uh plug what you want to plug, say what you want to say, let the masses know what you have going on, if there's anything in the future you have going coming up. Whatever you want to talk about right now, it is all you. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_07Well, thank you for that. Um, I try to be fair with everybody, with whatever we do, and our mission with our my mission right now with the Hispanic Chamber, um, our local Antelope Valley Hispanic Chamber is to help small businesses. I think a lot of people don't realize as a small business owner what we're going through. And I don't even know to tell what the kids what to be these days. I mean, all I know is that you have to learn what you need to learn and learn more and keep applying yourself. Um, I see so many businesses struggling that I encounter. Um it's a tough time to do business in California right now. Everything is so expensive. Um and so part of that passion is I was asked to apply to be a director for the California Hispanic Chamber out of Sacramento. When you're a member locally here, you're automatically a member there. And I've had the privilege of going to the conventions and what they and what they provide. I've learned so much. There are a lot of corporations in California that want to help small businesses, but you have to ask and you have to apply. And um my reason to do that is it's a lot of us don't have time. And I reached out to two other board members to say, I'd like to see you apply. I don't have the time. Oh, I don't have the time either, but I'm gonna do it. And I prayed really hard for a sign to do this. Like, should I do this? What am I doing? You know, I said first I checked with Bart and I checked with Brian. And part of it is we were humbled to receive Small Business of the Year for Inland Empire, I think it was four years ago, um, five years ago when we start when we started the Bravery Pizza was during COVID. Um, my good friend Sevio Duarte, who's our AV Hispanic Chamber president now, she's she's on the board of the California Hispanic Chamber. And I went with her to a convention and I learned so much and made so many contacts. Um our chairwoman now is lives in Glendale, but her family owns the biggest strawberry farm in California. And you don't know who you're meeting until you talk to them and you find out. And so for me, um, I did put my name in the hat, but I am going to the convention. Um is to bring awareness to our valley. We have a new event center coming up in Lancaster. When I went to the kickoff at Cal the Cal Poly Mansion last at the Kalog Mansion last summer, um, I went to Cal Poly, but I never went into the Kellogg Mansion. And I met I met executives from US Bank, Bank of America, different corporations that want to bring mixers and meetings to our businesses here in the Annalok Valley. We have a lot of growth to still help. We're LA County, but sometimes I feel like we're forgotten. So that's why I'm throwing my name in the hat, and I'll know in August if I'm selected to represent our area from the Island Empire. But my goal is to bring one of the conventions to our event center in 2028. In 2028. Um they do them Northern California, Central California, Southern California, and I think I think we're due for one. Um Brian and I went up, we got Small Business of the Year because we showed them what we were doing with our pizza kitchen, how we were trying to survive COVID. Um to me, it was it wasn't an option to fail. You just got to figure it out. And it's a lot of, it's a lot of work. I know I make it look easy, it's not. And um, so we were privileged to go to Oakland, take some of our beer, and meet a lot of business owners. And to me, to be in a room with other people that have gone through it and and are successful, that is invaluable to me. And I wish more of our valley would take advantage of that. We have five people that are can come from our chamber and it's and and there's no cost you put in the code because it's like $350 to go. But the connections you'll meet are invaluable. And that's that's what's next and big on the plate for me. And I think it's gonna be I prayed on it, like, God, do I do this? You know, where am I gonna find the time to do this? I finished praying, there comes two butterflies. I pick up two feathers.
SPEAKER_04I'm like, okay, she told me that yesterday. I was like, that's a sign. That's my sign. You know, I've never I've never seen two butterflies together in my whole life. I always never see them one. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And so I was like, Okay, I gotta do this. I don't, you know, I gotta figure this out, I gotta do this. And um I did reach out to the support from our city manager and I said, This is why what what what I want to bring to our city because I feel if I don't throw my name in the hat, there's we're not gonna have representation. And we gotta keep raising our hand. We're in LA County. We're in this. We're one of the most expensive counties for sales tax in the nation. And we need to show the others why we're still worthy of bringing businesses here to our community. You know. We were just in San Diego two weeks ago to go pick up an award to win, but we took a gold medal for the gunny. Sixty dollars to park. I came back to bravery, had a girlfriend come in, or somebody came in and they said, Hey, you guys are so busy. We had to park way down by the DMV. And I'm like, Yeah, but it was free.
SPEAKER_04And when you walk, when you make that walk down to the brewery and back, you you you work off the calories. It's a win-win. It is a win-win.
SPEAKER_07There's still a lot, I can't tell you. When I go to visit my son in Pasadena and we want to go to dinner, well, you got to get there 30 minutes earlier than your dinner time because you're gonna have to drive around to find parking, then you're gonna have to pay for parking. You know, so we still have that. And I'll be going to Pasadena to see my nieces tomorrow. And I love these girls. I wish I could hijack them and make them move to the A V, but they won't. Um but I'll get there half hour early to find parking and pay for parking. So, but anyways, thanks for asking that.
SPEAKER_04Um okay, look me in the eye. There you go. I love you. You're amazing. I think I love you too. Believe it or not, I learned some stuff tonight about you that I had no idea. I mean, it's it's amazing. I mean, the speakeasy and a couple cocktails and a cigar brings out stuff sometimes.
SPEAKER_07Absolutely I mean, there's still stuff that you know that I do that annoys you. Like you hate when I go shopping and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_04But you know, uh, for those listening out there, husbands. I think I'm just gonna throw this out there. Most husbands are not into shopping. Yeah, some are, but whatever. No, I love you. You're amazing. We I think a lot of these listeners to that are hearing this now, they've they know a lot lot more about you. Everybody, everybody that I've ever met that knows you, admires you beyond belief. And it's deserved because of just who you are, your attitude, your love, your zest for life, your you just put so much into this community, it's it's unbelievable. And woman of the year, I guarantee you I would never even get man of like the minute of like my zip code or whatever. She got it for the whole state of California.
SPEAKER_07No, no, it's our district. Well, it's our district still.
SPEAKER_04There's that's about a million people.
SPEAKER_07But you have to because our senator, I know. Um I love her platform. I love the representation. And if you don't support them, guys, you know, yeah, we need all the support and all the help we can get. Like I said, this this time right now, I don't even know what to tell the kids what to be. You know, you gotta major in one thing, but you better be a jack of trades of everything to be successful, you know.
SPEAKER_04Okay. Well, thank you so much, Sandra, for being here. This this was uh the first time we've done it where one of our spouses was first female of the show. Yeah, first female of the show. Oh, first female of the show, too. I mean, think about that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, first female of the show.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, episode five.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Wow. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. So you get that too. All right, you want to wrap this up for us, Justin? And talk about what's coming. We got a lot of more interesting.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, we have uh we have another lineup of uh of guests that are coming up. Um we'll always announce those on our uh on our Instagram. Um so give that a follow. Um and yeah, man, just subscribe to our show. Uh the more followers, the more subscribers, the better. Um but like I said, we'll always, always, always post on the uh on the socials to kind of give you an insight of what's coming up on uh on future shows. Um Sandra, thank you again uh for doing this. I I pushed very, very hard for this and finally got it. Um I'm I'm I'm glad my persistency uh worked out.
SPEAKER_04Um this this was absolutely an amazing show.
SPEAKER_05Absolutely.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it was it was my pleasure. Thank you for letting me share my platform and what I do. And like I said, it's um it's a blessing. We get to do what we love, and who knew we were gonna if you asked me 20 years ago I was gonna be selling beer, you know. Wow, you know, but times change and never know.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, you never know. All right, guys. Uh season one, episode five, deep diving in the speakeasy, coming to a close. See you guys next time.
SPEAKER_02Cheers.