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Two Guys/Questionable Credentials
Episode 12 Return to Basics Star Trek Chat
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This week Adam and Tom return to form with a Star Trek conversation for better engagement, more download participation, and also it’s just fun to talk about!
They discuss Starfleet officers and the crew they would pick if they were Captian, even though Tom throws kind of curve ball at the end!
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Alright, everyone, welcome back to the uh Two Guys with Questionable Credentials podcast with your host, Adam and Tom. Tom, how are you doing today?
SPEAKER_00I'm doing. As we recently talked about off-mic, uh, I recently became a foster parent again, and who would have thought two girls at three years old, my whole life was flipped upside down?
SPEAKER_02I knew that was kind of a loaded question whenever I asked it, but uh it has pretty much come our standard intro. So uh yeah, life can be uh quite uh stressful and entertaining at times, but you know, that's why everybody needs a hobby or everyone needs a space or something to uh kind of go in and recharge because uh it's really important for everyone's mental health.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, believe absolutely. Alright, so Adam, what are we gonna talk about today?
SPEAKER_02Alright, so uh I know we we kind of got off track for what the last month and a half at least. Uh our intention was to kind of dive into Star Trek um a little bit more. And uh based on uh some of the feedback we've been seeing as well as the episodes that have been downloaded and a little bit more popular, um, rather than going and um you know going back and rating or dissecting um rating shows, movies, or whatnot, uh doing reviews, uh we're gonna kind of stick with our current um our current format of just you know kind of having a conversation. So today uh you're everyone is gonna come on a journey with us to uh the final frontier, whereas uh Tom and I have now been promoted to captains of our own starships. And uh we have been given carte blanche from Starfleet Command to uh choose our crews. Um I don't think the Department of Temporal Mechanics will be very happy because we get to pick uh from any of the Star Trek shows universes. Uh I am gonna say, whenever we talk about any of the uh characters from the original series and the original movies, uh Kirk, Spock, whatnot, we are not talking about their Calvian counterparts. We are sticking with the main universe. So we can't say, yes, I want my first officer to be Spock, but not the real Spock. We want him to be the Calvian Spock because of this reason. No, we're not going down that road. Nothing against the Calvian timeline, but we're just trying to keep things simple.
SPEAKER_00And along those same lines, if we're talking about, say, the um, because there's there are a couple different um versions. So if you're talking about the original series, like do you do do we clarify that we mean from the TV show or from the movies? Because for me personally, like when it comes to the next generation, I would pick more from the movies than I would the TV show. Well, I think it's the same character, but either way. Okay.
SPEAKER_02So I just wanted to clarify in case. Yeah. Okay. Alright, so uh let's uh let you know let's start from I'm not gonna say the bottom up, but uh we're gonna sit, you know, start with the more the specialties, and uh the first I'm gonna ask is Tom, who would you choose as your chief medical officer?
SPEAKER_00Oh see that that for me is an easy one. I would definitely go with the EMH from Voyager. Uh I I love every just everything about the character. I love the way you know, kind of like data, he's trying to become more human, the way that like he was free to um expl like explore avenues of life, and then the way like like uh as a character, the way he could, he was we got that little mobile emitter so he could go out into the world, and yo, Robert Picardo is just a very great actor. I I think I all all the time, 100%. If I had to pick a runner up, I don't know if we want to do that or not. Yeah, we could do an honorable mention, I guess. Uh if I had to pick a runner up, oh I I'm I'm I don't even I I guess I'd have to pick Beverly Crusher. Because especially in Picard, the kind of like sassy middle-age I don't know if middle-age is fair, maybe it's a little bit older, but like the mom attitude. I just I I not my favorite, but I do I do enjoy her also.
SPEAKER_02Alright, well, Tom and I, we actually did not discuss this at all before today. This is a surprise to both of us, but I am also choosing the EMH as my chief medical officer, uh, much for the same uh points that Tom picked out. I I just really like his character. Um plus um whenever there's the one or two episodes, the one where he he was kind of fantasizing about it, and then it actually happened where he was the uh ECH, the emergency command hologram. Uh so it adds a little bit of versatility there. But yeah, just a great character. And uh, though I have not watched Starfleet Academy, uh I do know that he does have an appearance and a role in it, and so you get to see how he's evolved over the centuries and everything, and he's still around. But yes, I would definitely pick um the EMH as my chief medical officer. And uh for an honorable mention, I would be picking Dr. Julian Bashir from Deep Space Nine. Okay. Um I I I you know he it's one of those characters whenever the first season or two, I was really not a fan, uh, but by the end of the series, whenever they develop his character a little bit more, much like Beverly Crosser, um, I would definitely pick him because not only because he's insanely smart because he's genetically enhanced, uh, but he's just a good guy. Uh him and Miles O'Brien have a very close friendship and uh he fits into D Space Nine. He goes from that naive, I'm gonna be the savior of everything doctor, to just I'm gonna do my job and I'm gonna do it to the best that I can. But he still doesn't necessarily always lose that idealism, it just becomes more he becomes a veteran with things. He's more seasoned. So, yes, that is my uh uh pick and a half, I guess, uh for uh chief medical officer. Uh so along those lines, let's uh jump over to uh who would you pick as your uh your security chief?
SPEAKER_00So when so when it comes to security, because I feel like sometimes it's a shared role, are you doing security separate from like tactical?
SPEAKER_02Uh let's it'd be security and tactical because this is a starship, uh and a lot of times those roles are intertwined together. So yes, tactical and security chief are the one and the same.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Um I think if I had to pick one, it would probably be uh Wharf. I I kind of just enjoy his character. Um I you know it it's it's you know I I don't know. I just you know it like it's funny, you know, because like he's he's you know he is aggressive, but he he he he he knows when it's time to you know like can like control it. And also, and like you know, one of my favorite like aspects of his character, like I one of my favorite clips, like when I'm when I'm feeling down, I one of my favorite clips to watch from Star Trek I'm not familiar with the backstory, like, of the episode, but Data is put in charge of the um of the Enterprise. And then Wharf is his first officer.
SPEAKER_02And Oh yeah, I know I know which episode you're talking about.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and they and they they have that conversation where you know Dada has to explain to Wharf um D explain to Wharf what his roles role is as first officer, and that if he could not do it, he would have to step down. Yeah. And I don't know, it's just it's just something about like you know, he he's he's complex. Like, you know, you you can see that like out of care and respect. So and I don't know, I guess honorable mentions. I don't uh I I I honestly I don't know I don't know for that one, truthfully. Um because I know I have one in mind, I won't spoil it because I have a different position for him also.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00So I guess that's fair. We don't have to do honorable mentions.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I guess this time I don't have one. Yeah, so I I would pick Tubok as my uh my security chief and tactical officer from Voyager. Um, you know, you I I like that Vulcan presence, uh, the coolness under fire. Um he's a very much a confidant for Captain Janeway. Um and then whenever we see him also in Star Trek Picard, even though you only get to see the root real Tuvok in the last 10 minutes of the entire series. The other one, of course, is uh a changeling, but um, you know, I would pick him as my security chief. Uh he's very versatile. Uh he, you know, you do have to deal with the Vulcan part. Um a little bit too logical, and he may see things very different from how you are. Uh but yeah, he would be my security chief, tactical officer, and Worf would be my um my second choice.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Um, you know, nothing against Worf. I I love the character. I love Michael Dorn as an actor. Um especially but you know, the one thing that kind of flips it a little bit why I would pick Duke Tuvok over Worf is you know, there's a couple episodes and stuff in Deep Space Nine where Wharf, you know, he in the end, I I can't I'm not gonna say he makes the wrong decisions because he's putting it in a possible position, but he chooses which he he chooses personally and not for the good of either the ship or the mission. And uh that happens m different times. Uh so that would be my only drawback there. Uh so yeah, that would be um that would be my choice for um uh for my security chief. Uh so let's jump over to who's gonna be sitting at the helm.
SPEAKER_00For me, uh the helm. I I I would want uh data. I think I don't know. I'll I'll be honest with you. I'm not entirely sure if he was the helmsman. I don't think he was.
SPEAKER_02Uh he because No, he he was his I think his official role was uh operations officer.
SPEAKER_00Okay. But I don't know. I like uh you know you know being an android, you know, his computer you know, his brain allowing him to operate much faster, think faster. I I I I like the thought the idea of-flying a computer. Right, yeah, the idea of being able to you know make quick decisions, avoiding, you know, doing impossible maneuvers that other people other others could not. And I um I don't I don't know, I don't know what like what other like what other thing I would have to say about that. Um, you know, this is hard for me because I think I've said in a previous episode that when it comes to Star Trek, I'm familiar with the movies, like, you know, the um next uh next generation movies and the original series movies. And the only series I've really watched, like all the way through, I've seen clips of all of them. The ones that I've only watched all the way through are Voyager and Enterprise, and so I'm trying very hard not to just be like all Voyager characters. So yeah, so that's okay.
SPEAKER_02I think you anyone who watches Star Trek usually does gravitate towards one series or movies towards others.
SPEAKER_00So no, I mean that's perfectly so so that being said, I think my backup pick would probably be uh Tom Paris. But but I but I guess like I say that, but like I don't like I don't know, I guess I guess in reality it's just like his charisma, his humor that I really enjoy. Like you want you want somebody like that in the front, you know right.
SPEAKER_02So which is funny because my choice is actually Tom Parris. Okay. Uh for my helmsman, uh, just because he's uh sometimes whenever you get into a really sticky situation, you need someone who's going to not so much take the initiative but be creative, and because Tom Paris has passed, uh, with being in the Maquis, uh not exactly being a straight laced Starfleet officer most of the time until the later seasons. Uh I mean I would want that creativity uh sitting in my helm, even though it might be a pain for some times you know, because of his personality. Um oddly enough, I have two honorable mentions uh for helm because, of course, you know, uh there's multiple shifts. You can't just have Tom Paris at the uh helm all the time. So um Travis Merriweather from Enterprise. Okay. Uh, because he was really in a pioneering role as the helmsman of the NX01, uh, because it was the first starship that, you know, warped five. And then also, I I do want to bring up um Instant Roe from Next Generation. She was uh the she was only in, I think, two seasons, and it was in the middle of the series, towards the end. Um Inson Roe uh came on board uh at the request of an admiral for just a uh just an episode, and then Captain Picard likes what he sees. Uh she was a Bajoran, uh, had fought and grew up um in the labor camps and fought against the Cardassians. Uh, we do see her character come back in Star Trek Picard. Uh, she's, of course, you know, uh for you know, anyone after she does she's on a mission and she chooses the Maquis over Starfleet and Captain Picard, uh, which really causes quite an issue. Um, we see that more or less resolved in Star Trek Picard whenever uh Jean-Luc and Roe actually um come back and uh kind of hash things out finally uh with that. It's kind of an open wound for uh Captain Picard for a very long time. Uh plus her I I like the actress uh because she, if there's a sci-fi series, she's probably got some role in it. She was in Battlestar Galactica as Admiral Kane, um plays a very dark character in that. Um and Instant Ro, she definitely has her demons too. Um but yeah, it's kind of weird. I I really can couldn't pick between Travis Merriweather and Instant Roe um as uh you know as the other two, but Tom Paris is definitely my first choice.
SPEAKER_00So And you know it's funny, I when you started talking about Tom, I was thinking Tom Paris, I was thinking, you know, also he's a field medic. Yes, so that's good to have on the bridge. And also just because I can't believe I didn't think of this, you know, if you had you know you know, another one, another good runner-up would of course have to be uh Sulu.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yeah, we can't forget Sulu, and as we see, you know, he started out as a helmsman and became a captain himself.
SPEAKER_00And you know, and then when you were talking about Meriwether, I couldn't remember his name. I'm glad you said it. You know, also correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure like he he he flew the whole thing with like a like a joystick. He didn't have like I think there was more to like he had some controls, but like they weren't they you know it wasn't the we like the touch screen technology. I just remember watching that show, and when you said his name, it reminded me of that.
SPEAKER_02Um, um this is one of my favorite um uh positions to choose from, and I I I have had my my number one pick for quite some time, uh the heart of the ship, the engine engineering division. Who would you have as your chief engineer? And if you need a moment to think, I can go first.
SPEAKER_00You go ahead and go first. I got a couple ideas, but all right.
SPEAKER_02Hands down, Chief O'Brien. Hands down, Chief O'Brien. There's no debate. Uh all the chief engineers, whether it's Trip from Enterprise or Geordie LaForge or Bena Belana Torres, my choice is Miles O'Brien because as they say in lower decks, he is the greatest Starfleet officer of all time. Um he is he can do he is the MacGyver of Star Trek. Uh he can go down and fix a warp core with uh Baylor's twine, uh self-stealing, sealing stem bolt, and probably duct tape. Um you know, he had he has a security background, he is transporter background, um, you know, operations, chief engineer on um Deep Space Nine, and the Defiant. Uh so you know here here's someone who and he was also we find out that he was a foot soldier uh during the Cardassian War. So uh so you know he he he he's got tactical experience, um he's got um he's got engineering experience, he's got bridge experience on a galaxy class starship, a defined class starship, a Cardassian space station of all places. The guy has to know just about everything, plus he's a hell of a dark player. Um so, and really into re um you know, rehash history because him and Dr. Bashir do go and um they like the lost cause um whenever they go into um Quark's hollow suites. So just all around um I would pick him. Plus uh um, you know, the actor, uh Colin um Colin, I can't remember Colin Coleman.
SPEAKER_00So I don't know if it's Colm, it's C-O-L-Me. So C-O-L-M-E-A-N-E-Y.
SPEAKER_02Plus he he's just a great actor. Um I really enjoy it. He played in Hell on Wheels. He he was he's been off and on in a whole bunch of movies too, so um, yeah, that that's my choice. And if I if you say, okay, so you need uh, you know, who would be your backup? Um it would be Scotty from the original. Yeah. Um just always liked his I I don't know what it is about the British Isles. Um, you know, if I need a chief engineer, I'd be going there. Uh but you know, Scotty, um, you know, another you know, the Constitution class, whenever they were, you know, in the original series, they were state of the arc at that point. Uh, but then the evolution that he goes through from the original series, which was a warp drive, to then to a warp core, and he basically rebuilds the enterprise between the end of the original series and Star Trek the Motion Pitcher, and then we see it again um in Wrath of Khan. And the fact that while serving as the you know chief captain of engineering to get the Excelsior ready, he's also high going back and slipping onto the Enterprise and fully automating it. Where what did he I forget what he said, something like, you know, uh a first year cadet and two chimpanzees could run this ship. Um, you know, you know, that that's another guy I would definitely want, but they're both hands-on Grease monkeys, and um they would be my choices.
SPEAKER_00You know, uh, you know, real quick though, when you were talking about Colm Mini, uh, I actually I saw an interview that he almost wasn't a series regular. So he when he started on and like you know you know better than I do, but he's when he started on Next Generation, I believe he was just a uh transporter room guy, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you only see him like once every couple episodes.
SPEAKER_00And so so he was on that, but obviously he didn't have a huge role, and he was talking about in an interview that he actually had like got like a like a like a like a side job, like another like acting gig. And when he approached uh Gene Roddenberry, because I believe he was still Gene Roddenberry was like, hey, no, like let's you know, that's we'll we'll work around it, we can do that. And he'd openly admitted, he's like, Oh no, I'm gonna walk away and never come back. And then obviously that's not what happened. I just I don't I think about that interview. Just thought that was kind of cool. Um, engineers. Engineers. I think to mix it up, I think I'm gonna say uh trip from Enterprise. Um honestly, I he was a joy whenever he was on screen. I mean, I know that doesn't really make him qualified for engineering, but I don't know. I just I I I liked his character, I liked his, you know, heroic ending, and then I don't I don't know as an as an honorable mention, it it would either be Jordi or I had I had one. I don't I don't remember until you said uh until you said Scotty. I don't remember who the other one was, but obviously Jordy for obvious reasons. Um I like Belana Torres, but um uh from a from a practical point of view, uh it's never usually it's usually never a good idea to have a married couple working in the same building. And so so so I I and but also I will say, you know, when you were talking about Scotty, like you know, the trope one of the tropes of the original series was how you know you know Kirk, you know, Kirk would make a crazy demand, and Scotty will say, Oh, it'll you know, take 20 minutes. He's like, You got five. But then um in uh Voyager, they did the they did the same thing. I think it was like the first or second episode when Balana became head engineer or one of the engineers, you know. Balana's like, it'll take it'll take me four hours. You have two. No, Captain. If I say four hours, it takes four hours. I just I don't know, I thought that was amusing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's like because Scotty, he's like, I think it was uh I think it was uh Search for Spock uh Star Trek III, they're coming back uh after the events of Rathicon, and um Kirk and Scotty are talking through the intercom, and you know, Kirk's like, so Scotty, when do you when do you think we can get everything fixed and back out? And he's just like uh, well, it'll take about eight weeks, Captain, but I'll tell you what, I'll have it for you in four or something like that. And he's like, Mr. Scott, have you always um multiplied your repair estimates by a factor of like four? And he's like, Well, that's how I became a miracle worker. I know that's not the exact quote, but it's just funny that, you know, and I think um the episode one of my favorite episodes of Next Generation is when this is a Scotty episode, whenever they find him um locked in a transporter porter of an old Starfleet ship that they find. And um he's talking with Geordie LaForge during the episode, and uh Captain Picard's like, Um, okay, I need this done. Um, how you know, how long will it take? And Jordy's like, I'll take two hours. And then after Picard leaves, Scotty goes up to LaForge, he's like, So uh how long is it really gonna take? And Jordy's like, two hours. He's like, son, Starflight captains are like you know, they're like children with candy. They want it right now, and they want it, you know, if they want it as soon as possible. You gotta add a little bit to it. And Jordy just cannot understand. He's like, no, if it needs done, it's gonna get done. I'm not going to play this game. Uh, so it's just funny about that. Um plus, you know, one of my favorite uh Scotty moments is, you know, whenever he's trying to drink an alien under the table and he finds this old dusty bottle and he's like, uh, it's green. The alcohol that he finds. He has no clue what he's like, uh, it's green. So anyway. Um so okay, I think we're we're getting down on the list. Uh communications officer.
SPEAKER_00Communications officer. Yeah, man. There are so many more, so many more positions than I consider.
SPEAKER_02Well, well, you're well you're pondering that. Um uh I do have my choice on that, um, and a close runner-up, actually, uh, is um oh uh the engineer, why is it escaping me right now? Oh, um Hoshi from Enterprise. Oh, okay. Um very intelligent, um can learn languages very quickly, uh so much that you know Captain Archer goes and pulls her like out of the Amazon rainforest uh to be um to be his communication officer. And then uh my my other one would be who um uh why can I never pronounce it? Hura wow, I might get crucified for this. Uh from the next generation. Um, you know, not only because you know that you know it was uh revolutionary thought in the 1960s for that casting choice, uh but um, you know, stellar officer, and then we we get to see the young version of her in Strange New Worlds. Um, you know, whenever she's you know, she's just coming, she's she's just coming on board, uh new Starfleet officer, just graduated the academy and learning the ropes and everything. So, I mean, when whenever you go back and you look at it, she uh as were as well as Nurse Chapel are the two longest serving officers on the Enterprise, as well as Spock. All three of them are there from but whenever Captain Pike is there the whole way through. Spock, of course, being the longest is he was um you know, because he was in the pilot episodes of Star Trek. So, you know, those three officers have more history on the Enterprise than Kirk and Sulu and Chekhov. Holy crap, how did we forget Chekhov for Helm's Officer? Um but yeah, um, so yeah, uh he uh both of those would be my communications officers just because they're they're intelligent officers, um, they can learn new languages very quickly, and they both kind of have a little bit of a sassy sense of humor a little bit.
SPEAKER_00Was Chekhov a Helmsman?
SPEAKER_02Yes, yes, he was. Nah, he was not the entire time during the original series, but um uh in in the late No, crap, no, that was Sulu. Wow.
SPEAKER_00Uh no, Chekhov was I'm not familiar with him in like I said, in the series. I know in the movies What was his job? I wanna I want to say in the first Star Trek movie, uh maybe he wasn't the tactical officer, but he was the one running it. I just remember because of that weird scene when everything is slowed down and you know, just like it slowed down with his voice was He was the navigator.
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay. Navigator, yes. Hell's he was a navig he was the navigator on the Enterprise, and then of course he goes on and kind of bounces around because uh Rathicon he was the first officer on the Reliant, and then he comes back and he kind of is kind of like a pseudo-tactical officer in all the rest of the movies, because you know, at that point, do you really need a navigator? Uh so he's kind of like a little bit of security. My cat feeders are just going off right now, in case anyone heard that. So yes, yeah. So okay, those are that's those are my choices.
SPEAKER_00I'll be honest with you. I I'm exactly the same. I was I you know I was thinking about um the the first I I can't remember her name, the first woman you mentioned. Um Hoshi. Hoshi, yes. Um honestly, everything you said for the same reasons. Yeah. So I got sorry, I've got nothing else to add to that.
SPEAKER_02Alright, so um we only got two more positions that I think we can talk about. One is our operations officer. Um, and the last one is one of the hardest for me is first officer. So let's do operations first. Um so that would be, you know, kind of the role that Data played on uh Next Generation, uh Harry Kim on uh on Voyager. Enterprise really didn't have an operations officer.
SPEAKER_00But it's kind of like one of those, you know, you don't you don't really see um that very prevalent in all the Star Trek series, but I was gonna say, I feel like I feel like usually I like and I'm pr I might be wrong, so don't crucify me, anybody who's listening to this. But I feel like other than like in Voyager, operations just seems to be like a random thing. Like like a dead, like there never seems to be like there's never seems to be like a dedicated officer. Because to be honest, that's what I thought um uh Chekhov was. And so, but like even if that's true, yeah, he's all over the place.
SPEAKER_02Well, plus Spock was, you know, he was your science officer. Oh, we didn't do a science officer yet either. But no, Chekhov, or but Chekoff on the brain now. Um Spock in the original series was kind of like your pseudo first officer, operations officer, science officer, uh kind of deal. Uh but you know, just just just to throw uh that in, uh I would pick data as my operations officer because just you know, being an android and he fills that role so perfectly, uh Harry Kim would be my second. Though I would grant him a promotion to probably lieutenant at this point. Okay. Uh so yeah, that would be um that would that would that would be my choices on that.
SPEAKER_00Gotcha.
SPEAKER_02Uh you go you do have Warf in there as uh in Deep Space Nine, his I think his original his specific title is Strategic Operations Officer, but that's more not so much for the station. It's for the station, but also the space around the station as well.
SPEAKER_00Yo, and you know, I just googled Operations Officer, Star Trek, and like the only three that pop up that like I think are legitimate are um someone from it looks like Discovery, I don't know her name, um, Data, Harry Kim, and then it's kind of a bunch of random people. There's somebody from Lower Decks, which I haven't seen. Um the tactical officer from uh Enterprises there. Chief O'Brien Reed, yeah. Might have also done a dual role. Wharf is listed, Uhura.
SPEAKER_02Like, I just I don't think Yeah, it's kind of a hodgepodge. It's kind of like, you know, as a captain, do you want an operations officer? And the thing is, on a big starship, yes, I would definitely want an operations officer. If it's a smaller ship, you don't need it as much. Um, like on the Defiant, you wouldn't need an operations officer. But on a galaxy class or a sovereign class or even a Titan class, you know, your Neo Constitution class, you you would definitely want a um operations officer. So yeah, I think our choices are kind of limited there. Um I think Tom, did you you're pretty much the same place, I think I am too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, to be honest with you, I would probably pick uh Harry Kim. Just I don't know, just because like he's the character I'm most familiar with, and like I said, like to me, is the only like dedicated ops officer I know. Um and like so like and like knowing that I guess if we're allowed to do dual roles, I guess I would pick data also, but like I really I really can't think of uh anybody anybody else.
SPEAKER_02No, that's fair. And then um we got uh real quick, I don't think I don't want to get into it too much. Uh we're not gonna I'm not gonna do Ships Counselor because that was more just like a next generation thing, but science officer, uh, because it's kind of weird because it's not a very prevalent position. It's kind of like operations officer, but you know, I think you if you're if you're gonna be doing science officer, it has to be Spock.
SPEAKER_00Okay. I was gonna say either Spock or Seven of Nine. Seven of Nine, I think, with her backstory, you know, like her background, obviously being a member of the Borg. And, you know, like she was also like in charge of Astr astrometrics. Yes. And but yeah, either either her or Spock. Yes. Although I will say, like, to like put Spock as just an opera uh science officer feels wrong. Um I you I but I uh he's a yeah, he's a versatile uh officer.
SPEAKER_02So last one, and this is the big one for me, uh, who is your first officer? Oh, I And just to make it interesting, you do not get an honorable mention on this. Okay, neither do I.
SPEAKER_00Alright, well then by that notion, um I I am gonna cheat a little bit. And if I if if like if this was the ship that I would want to be on, I have no interest in being captain. If I imagined, like, you know, my own style, I I picture myself more as a first officer than I do a captain. Like I don't I don't handle you know you have seen me in leadership positions. I'm not great. However, I feel like you've seen me in enough support positions that I'm better in that kind of a role. So I guess I'm gonna cheat and pick myself because I really like my captain pick.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Alright, yep, and uh I will stick to uh I I will I will uh I will definitely be in the captain's chair, but my first officer would be Chicote.
SPEAKER_00Okay. If yeah, if I couldn't pick myself, I would probably say Chicote also.
SPEAKER_02But there's so many great first officers in all the series. Um, but just something about Chicote that I always liked. Um, yes, whenever he was in Starfleet, and then he joined the Maquis, and then he joins Voyager as Janeway's first officer out of the necessity of you know one ship, one crew to get to get back home. But you know, over to Series, yeah, there's definitely friction, and he's walking a very fine line toward, you know, between being a true first off, being a Starfleet officer again, but then also still looking out for his crew. And then as the series progresses, he becomes you know, because Tuvok and Janeway always had a very close relationship, but then as the series goes on, Chicote and Janeway also develop that very close working relationship. There's a you know, there's a trust there between the two. Um, he does have a science background. He is, you know, I think he brings up a lot of morality whenever he is making conversations and making decisions. Um he he is a natural leader. Uh so if something happens, he's definitely gonna be able to sit in that captain's chair and do what needs to be done. So, yes, hands down, he is my choice as first officer.
SPEAKER_00I I I agree 100%, and I I like you know when you're talking about the one ship, one crew. I I just like that's just a great move in general. Like to have the like you know, the leader or well, the captain of Voyager with the I mean he's the first officer, but he was the captain of whatever that mocked, yeah. It just it just you know like logical sense, the idea that you know that way both sides are represented. Um so for me, if I the if I was gonna be the first officer on the starship, I'd have to pick Tuvok.
SPEAKER_01As your captain.
SPEAKER_00As my captain. I you know, I he's got great he he you know, uh obviously you know, besides the Ponfar, he's you know, got great control of his emotions. He makes logical decisions. However, he does kind of twist that logic sometime. If you think about that episode of Voyager when I think it's like uh it's Torres and uh I can't remember her name is the the I think she was pretending to be Romulan, but she was actually uh whatever that race was they were fine.
SPEAKER_02Oh, she was pretending oh, um I know exactly who it was. Sasha Yeah, I don't remember something her name. She was really Cardassian.
SPEAKER_00And she joined whatever. The Rocky.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, she was pretending to be Bajoran.
SPEAKER_00Right, and she I can't remember the name of the species out there. She ended up like, you know, betraying the Kazon. And like he was the one that made that questionable call where basically he was like, you know, to get try to get the crew home, he kind of spun his logic that you know it's what Janeway wants, but she couldn't make that call, and he did. And then this has nothing to do with anything, but on a personal standpoint, I think I think he and I would have a funny working relationship. I you've you see you've you've known me long enough now. I kind of have two sides. You know, one on one on one side I'm very serious and mostly do it by the books, but then also I'm very sarcastic and jokey. And I just think it would make for a good, like, I'd like to think that Tuvok would view me as like a you know, hate to love him, love to hate him, type of type relationship.
SPEAKER_02Well the thing is, I mean, I think, yeah, because Tuvok would have to accept you as his first officer because he is, you know, that is who Tuvok is. Yes. It would be interesting. Um, well, since you you threw out there a captain, I I would, you know, it if I was in the first officer role, um, I would pick Jonathan Archer as my captain. Um smart engineering background, um, definitely a pioneer. Did things that needed to be done sometimes, uh, wrote the book in a lot of ways. Um, plus I think Scott Bacchula just did a great job with that character. Uh so um and you know, the one thing that I I would love to see a post-enterprise, like kind of like a Picard-esque series built around uh Jonathan Archer, because he does become um uh president of the Federation at some point. Alright.
SPEAKER_00So you know, since I'm already breaking the rules, um, I will say also, I guess if I had to pick a runner-up captain, honestly, I probably I probably would go with Riker. Um I feel like he's kind of like the like the best of maybe not best of both worlds. Maybe that's not the saying I want to use. But like, you know, he's you know, like he's he's a good officer. He's a good first officer. You know, he ought he is capable of taking command, like when Picard joined the Borg.
SPEAKER_02Um But Picard didn't necessarily join the Borg.
SPEAKER_00He didn't join the Borg, you know what I mean. Sorry, yes. But I I I I don't I there was something else I wanted to say about him that I I cannot remember at the moment. Um, but or like, you know, and like not that this is him specific, but you know, he was always kinda up for risky risky moves, you know, in uh I think it's Star Trek Insurrection, where like whatever I don't remember the specifics, but like he was collecting the like the gas to try to blow up. They're like, you know the Riker maneuver. The Riker maneuver, yes. Um but all but also even in um Picard. I it it's been a while since I watched it, but like when they so it was Data, Troy, uh The Forge and uh Beverly on the Enterprise. And then you know it was Riker and Wharf. I think they were trying to free data or find find whatever the computer was on the uh was it was it a Borg ship?
SPEAKER_02No, it was Borghi. They were going to help Picard No, oh no, they were trying to yeah, they were trying to find the the transmit or whatever that that was sending out the signal to all the young officers that had been kind of assimilated.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But um, I don't know. I guess I don't you know it's funny, I feel a little bad because I guess in reality most of my answers were just favorites.
SPEAKER_02I don't I didn't really have a lot of-I mean, do you you choose if you had the opportunity to choose your crew, you're gonna choose people that you like based on their who they are and their skills. So yeah, no, that's I think that's completely legitimate. Now, um, you know, we could have gone a little bit more crazy and been like, okay, here's you know, here's a list of 20 names. You can put them in any positions you want, because you could mix and match based on a lot of different things. Um, you know, tactical, I think you you could definitely m mix around a little bit. Chief Engineer, you can mix around a little bit too. So, but yeah, that's um, you know, I I I I think uh you know that that's about a wrap on things. This is a longer episode than we've normally have done.
SPEAKER_00I yeah, I think it's a good place to stop too, because you know, I was gonna say, what ship would you want to serve on? But honestly, I think that would be fun in a whole nother episode about just the various ships, what we like about how they're set up, what they we don't like, because I, you know, Adam, if you thought I was opinionated on lightsaber crystals, watch me go down this rabbit hole of my obsession with ship not even the whole ship, ship decks, ship bridge, and obsession with like where is what, who does the you know who does what job, what computer does what, and then ignoring the fact that evidently they can switch anytime they want. So to boldly go with carpet or not carpet. No, um yeah, yes, sure, like that. But yeah, alright, so then I guess it sounds like we're wrapping up. So, alright, if you are on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, pretty much anywhere you can get a podcast except for iHeartRadio and I don't remember the other one, uh please subscribe and leave a uh leave a review. Um five stars, please. Uh if you're on YouTube, uh like and subscribe. And let a com you know put a comment down below. What would you what would your crew be? And your position in it. If you're unlike Adam, you don't want to be captain. Um and you know what? Somebody please look at the YouTube channel. It is done very poorly, and that's fine, I get it. Podcasts, but um, and then I guess uh if you want to email us, uh email us at 2Guysnocreds at gmail.com. And I guess we'll see you next time. Goodbye. Alright, that's the show. Thanks for hanging out with us for another episode of Two Guys Questionable Potentials. If you laughed, learned something, or are now somehow more confused than when you started, then we've done our job. Be sure to subscribe, leave a review, and tell a friend or an enemy we're not picky. And remember, everything discussed here is just a conversation, speculation, and two people confidently wandering through topics they may or may not fully understand. Please take none of this as legal, medical, or emotional advice. We'll see you next time.