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Two Guys/Questionable Credentials
Episode 13 “Dammit Jim, I’m a Podcaster not an Engineer!”
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After last weeks discussion on what bridge officers they would want to serve with, they talk about some of the wild and interesting designs of the Federation Starships. With no show or universe off limits, Adam and Tom bodily go into discussions why they like or dislike certain ships, Tom has his usual tangent that has nothing to do with the topic, and take a quick second at the end to talk about uniforms!
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Alright, everyone, welcome back to Two Guys with Questionable Credentials with your hosts Adam and Tom.
SPEAKER_02Tom, how are you doing? I'm alright. Um, in a previous episode, Adam put a peek behind the curtain and talked about how with our busy lives we kinda record one or two in a row, and this time was extra special because I had to sneak out for a haircut and rush back because you know content stops for no one.
SPEAKER_00Um would make things a lot easier if we had transporters.
SPEAKER_02Um so what are we talking about today, Adam?
SPEAKER_00Well, today we're diving in again to our um world of Star Trek. Uh last episode we talked about people, and today we're kind of getting into the machines a little bit. So um, not exactly sure where the discussion is going to go. We're gonna kind of leave it wide open, but we're gonna talk about the mainstream cannon ship designs, um, the ships themselves, uh, trying not to go down a rabbit hole. We'll see how things go. But uh no promises. No promises, but uh we are actually going to make sure that we're gonna leave it um all open for Federation Starships that appear in um in any of the series um and the the movies out there. So um I guess we can talk about um our favorites first.
SPEAKER_02Why don't you start? You usually ask me to start first.
SPEAKER_00So it's true, and I was I was uh or you know, it's it's it's uh it's it's more or less it it's kind of hard um to kind of narrow down exactly what your favorite chip design is because um you know there's quite a they're all similar in a lot of ways, uh, but you know, if I had to pick I can't exactly just pick one. Uh but my kind of two favorites that I kind of uh like the most are the um the Enterprise A or Enterprise Refit um that appears anything Star Trek the Motion Picture, um any of the appearances of the Constitution class refit enterprise. Um just like the design, um, the lines, it's sleek, it's it's whenever you think Star Trek, that's usually the ship that comes to mind, either that or the Enterprise D, because they're the ones that are out there the most. But um definitely a big fan of the um the Constitution refit. Um the other one I would have to definitely say would be the Enterprise E. Um from the Next Generation movies. Uh just the it's a long, sleek design. It has the captain's yacht, which you see in Intro direction, which is just a really neat feature. Uh definitely, you know, if if if I and also just the advancements that they talk about with the Enterprise E in uh first contact. Um you know, you you have uh you have some board technology that's kind of snuck in there. Um I think that I think the Enterprise E had like kind of the gel packs that the um that were pioneered on Voyager, uh on the Intrepid class. I think it had some kind of um similar system to that. Um and then of course uh who could forget um in Star Trek Insurrection, whenever they are um you know, they're they're doing the battle on the Briar Patch, and you know, you're you're used to just you know the Starship con, you know, the whole board sitting, you know, with the Hellsman sitting there, with the touch screen and everything, and all of a sudden Riker's like, oh, I need manual control, and this little dinky joystick comes up out of the floor. Um, you know, it's kind of comical, but it's really cool that um you know that you had that feature in it. Uh so yeah, that um, you know, I think that kind of sums up what uh my two favorites are. Now I will put out the an honorable mention kind of is the Titan. Not the original Titan whenever Riker took command that we see in Star Trek lowered decks, but the refit Titan. And I think it's pretty easy to see the um the similarities um with that because they kind of bill it as a neo-constitution class um whenever it is redone because you you kind of have the um uh you have the saucer section, which is very reminiscent of the Enterprise um refit and then the Enterprise A, then the cells, how they are, the deflector dish. Everything is very similar to that, even though it's kind of a you know a little bit of a different design. Um so yeah, I think it it's really all comes back to um comes back to that. So um, Tom, what uh what starships um do you fancy?
SPEAKER_02So uh let me let me think. Let me think, let me think. Um so I I mean I I don't I don't think I necessarily have a favorite. Um I mean the ones I think about um I liked the I just forgot it. What was it? Um oh duh. Uh the Enterprise from the show Enterprise. I'm not good at all the numbers. I think that's what like the NXO1.
SPEAKER_00It's the NX01.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Uh I don't I just I don't know. I liked, you know, I just it was it was kind of a arguably like a simple design, I guess, like compared to like I mean like it's not as smooth, you know, as like the Enterprise from the you know Kirk era. But I I don't know. I I just there was something something about it I really I really liked. Um and then so this one was actually in Voyager, Star Trek Voyager, but it was only in like two episodes. It was a ship called the Equinox.
SPEAKER_00Oh yes.
SPEAKER_02Which it was very similar, I think. I mean, I think the what what is if if I think Voyager was considered intrepid. Yes. And this was considered a Nova class.
SPEAKER_00Right. The Nova class were primarily used as like um scientific, short-range expedition, very they weren't sm they were smaller, less armed.
SPEAKER_02And I I pulled this picture up here for reference, you know, because that's good for a uh audio um.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, everyone, if you if you please look at Tom's screen right now, you'll see multiple pictures of the Equinox.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, if you're listening, you'll look at my iPad here. But it's I I you know it it's it's kind of similar to Voyager. Um the way the nacelles are kind of attached to the back kind of reminds you of like the Enterprise. Um But uh just there's just something about like the sleekness and then the way the front kind of comes to two points makes it like kind of aggressive to me. And I don't know why.
SPEAKER_00I just I I but you know what's kind of interesting about the and I just never saw it until right now, is the the Equinox and ANOVA class are kind of have a similarity to because if they were if there would have been uh an Enterprise Season 5, they would have actually introduced an upgraded NX01, where they would have actually had an uh separate engineering section uh with the nacelles coming from that. Uh so the Equinox kind of looks like that because it has the deflector dish built into the saucer. Uh, and then you have um uh then you have uh you know with the small uh star drive section with the um uh with the nacelles. Uh and we actually do get to see it's in uh Star Trek Picard at the Fleet Museum. You do see the um the upgraded modified NXO1. Okay. Um it is it is in one of the space docks. Okay. Uh so it's kind of they did make a canon, uh, even though Enterprise ended before they got to that point, but there was a lot of talk of season five going a little bit further and seeing a you know the kind of you know the transition between the NXO1 and what would eventually down the road become the Constitution class.
SPEAKER_02Okay, okay. You know, and it's funny, I was just thinking about this, and I'm not finding any good photo of it, but actually the Equinox Nova class, whatever, was actually originally designed when when they were trying to design the Defiant. They that like when they were doing the um original, I watched the video on it, it was like a behind the scenes for Deep Space Nine, and they were talking about how they wanted, you know, it was the one time, you know, like the Defiant, which is one I think is cool. I don't know if it's one of my favorites, but like, you know, the way that the Defiant was kind of it was the one Federation ship that was like kind of built for aggression. All the other ships had weapon capabilities, but they were primarily like you th they were not the Federation was not an army at this point.
SPEAKER_00Like it's not an army, no, but no, it's I mean, I mean they say, well, the Defiant was Starfleet's first strictly built warship, but then even though it's not canon, you go to um prequel to Axanar, um, and they talk about the Akira class. And it's like, well, the Akira class was Starfleet's first purpose-built warship. Um, but you know, I think you know, the Defiant, it's bare bones. Um, you know, whenever they introduce her um in Deep Space Nine, you know, the Defiant is, you know, you know, hard bunk beds. Uh officers might have a little bit more room. They have their own little state rooms. Um, and I say little, it's a closet with a bed. Um, you know, the galley is bare bones. It kind of, you know, the galley, it reminds you kind of like a Klingon bird of prey with its sparse and teared. Because, you know, the Klingons are not building anything for comfort.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I, you know, I and like I know it's funny, like I've seen designs of it. You know, we were gonna get into this a little later, but I, you know, the the like the med, like the sick bay is just like a guy in three beds. But um, and then I guess I don't know, if I had to pick another one, like I uh I don't know, I really I really like the Titan, like you said, from Picard. And I guess I guess I liked the sleekness almost like streamlined of is it the Enterprise E that was in the new next generation movies? Yes, yes, it was.
SPEAKER_00Okay, and then and then you do see the I mean they do have the Enterprise F. Um, which they it's which is if you look at it, it's like a beefed up Enterprise E. Uh, it's a lot bigger, it's um more powerful. And of course, you know, at the end, um, you know, you do see you know the Enterprise G at the end of Star Trek Picard. Uh I'm not gonna put any spoilers in there, but just as I say, you do get to see the new Enterprise um at the end of that series. And then, you know, we do get to see Dorn Enterprise, we get to see the Enterprise J, which is just a weird design. It's it's essentially flat. I mean, it's huge. There's not many um oh wow, yeah, not many decks. Um it's not very like tall, it's just flat. It's just like you took a starship and then you know, like a smash burger, you just smash it just down, um, and then oh, here's your starship. It it'll take you four days to walk across it, and then you go up like three decks, and you're you know, from bottom to top. I'm sure it's bigger than that, but um, but then also, you know, the Enterprise J is also during the Temporal Wars and everything, so I'm sure it was purpose built for that.
SPEAKER_02And you know what? One one more. Um I know that it's no, no, no, I'm sorry. From the Kelvin timeline, I liked the the USS Kelvin itself. I I don't know, it was just it was kind of just it was like the way it was like a saucer section and just one engine. It just it it looked to me like it looked unique, but at the same time, highly impractical. Like, like I'm like, like, you know, in on uh in Voyager, they made such a big deal about how that ship was not meant to land on a planet, and I'm like, there's no way the Kelvin is like that that that's just gonna crash and burn. Like it's even if there's a way for it to land, that soft, it's gonna be top heavy and just topple over.
SPEAKER_00True, true. And I think you if you look at um a lot of um yeah, there's there's a ton online, but you look at um, you know, everything that's around Kirk's time, uh, the original series, it's just like, okay, the end of the Constitution class is a battle cruiser, and it has two nacelles, a saucer section, a star drive section, your classic starship design. Then you have like a heavy battle cruiser with a third nacelle, and then you go down, it's like, okay, and then we have a a frigate, and it's like the Calvin. It's like the saucer section with one nacelle. And then every you know, go in between, like, okay, and then we have this what's considered a light cruiser, and it's got like two nacelles, but not a star drive section and a saucer section. So, you know, it's it's just really interesting how you know they were we're presented with Starfleet's designs and its evolution and everything over time. Now, I will say because you know, uh, we do get to see a lot of variations of the original Enterprise over all the series. Because we, of course, we see the 1966 Enterprise, and then whenever we go back to the Calvin, we get to see the reimagined Enterprise of the same design, and then in uh Strange New Worlds, we get to see it yet again. Um, it's same basic concept, but it's like how do you take something that Gene Roddenberry came up in 1966 and then still make it look like you know, sleek and modern, but still with that basic classic design and everything. So, you know, everything, everything, everything in Star Trek goes back to the original Constitution class starships, and we see many of them in the original series. We see the Lexington, we see the Yorktown, we see the Enterprise. Of course, we never see it, but it's all based on the original Constitution, the you know, NCC 1700. So, you know, it's you know, you get to see a lot of it. And I think Next Generation does a good job of um, you know, we see a couple more different kinds of starships then, but I think it's really Deep Space Nine, you get to see a lot of starship designs coming and going from Deep Space Nine, but really during the Dominion War, it's essentially um the this the class that the Reliant is. Uh I think it's the Madeira class. Um sorry, um what you said it was the USS Reliant, it's in it's in Star Trek um uh Wrath of Khan.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yes, yes, yes. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that ship, I mean, you see a lot of those in the background, um, and the Excelsior class.
SPEAKER_02I was getting ready to say Excelsior.
SPEAKER_00Yep, those are you see a lot of those in Deep Space Nine during the Minion War, and it's just like you know, these are starships that you know are you know decades old, but they just keep being refit and re you know upgraded and everything uh to keep them relevant. And you know, of course it it's a lot easier to take an old starship and do a refit than to build a whole brand new one and during the Dominion War, you know, Starfleets forced into that position so that they can um you know still be able to you know put fleets into action.
SPEAKER_02So um so I guess before we keep going, would you say I because I don't know, I don't know if I really like hate any like starship design. I will say there is one I do hate. I I do not enjoy, I don't I don't think there's ever been maybe it was in like a like a flash forward episode of uh uh next generation. I'm gonna see if I can find it real quick. But they're medical ships. Uh I again if you if you Google it, um I guess it's called it it's a solace class. Um I'm looking at a couple that said that it's that they're named um USS Pasture or the I think one of them was originally that was one of the USS Defiance, actually, too. Maybe.
SPEAKER_00I But yeah, it's yeah, it's it was uh I believe they were pre. How they were sometime around. I don't know if they were pre-uh NX01 or post-NX01, but they were still very early on, and there is an episode of Next Generation which um you don't see it, but they talk about it. I think it's the one where it crashed on a planet, and there's like a couple entities that take over, like Troy, O'Brien, and Beta, and every um they're supposedly from that ship, but they're actually not. Um yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02It's just something, assuming that I I mean, I don't know where this falls in the timeline, but just I don't know, something about it. It's just like it's big and bulky, the weird round sphere with like the the in the back of it almost looks like um what are they called? Sand crawlers that the Jawas use.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02I just I don't know. I it's like like every time I see it, I'm just like, oh, look away.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's kind of a weird star drive section.
SPEAKER_02And like and then for me, I I don't I don't hate it. I it's just it's probably my least favorite. The the is it the Enterprise D from the next generation? It like it's not that it's a bad design, like bad, it's just like for me, it just it seems very like bulky, and I mean I will say that uh and like the way that it can separate the two sections, and and like I know like the way it's built because the idea is I understand it was that it was meant for the crew, but they can also have families on the ship.
SPEAKER_00Right, it was meant for long-range exploration science. Um, you know, the the galaxy class were it it's interesting, the galaxy class were really put out there to be a lot of different things, but yeah, they were built for a lot of people.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, and you know, I I would say of all my enterprise all the enterprises, um, you know, it it would probably be the one that I like the least, but that's not really saying much because all the even the Enterprise B, which was an Excelsior class, uh, you had the Enterprise C, which uh is eluding me which class of ship that is right now, but it was very similar to um you know what you would look as your traditional starship design.
SPEAKER_02Is it the Enterprise B or the Enterprise C where everything's coming on Tuesday?
SPEAKER_00Enterprise B. Okay. Yes. Yeah, uh Star Trek Generations.
SPEAKER_02So I I I I know I'm sure it's like the hardcore, because I because I I'm a pretty a pretty big Star Trek fan. I mean, like, not as much as like I obviously I haven't seen all the shows. I haven't, I'm not like as super familiar with it. So like I'm sure a lot of like the hardcore long-term fans will disagree. But like I just I don't know, it's so dumb, but I find that intro so funny, just just the way that like they like like you know, especially since you know the captain, who yes, they should have a little deep tangent here, but the captain being like, We're not equipped to go after them, and Kirk's like, we have to. So they go, and then it's just like we don't have weapons, we don't have transports, we don't have and I just I don't know, it's just yeah, sorry, I just you know I uh so it's it's it's dumb, but it's hysterical to me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think it it's whoever the riding of that, I don't know if it was still Rick Berman or not, um, during that movie, but yeah, it's like you have James T. Kirk, who's the most one of the most celebrated captains in Starfleet, next to just this guy, who's the captain of the Enterprise Bean. I'm sorry, I Can't remember his name off the top of my head. Um, and even the actor who plays him, he kinda he doesn't, he kind of plays like kind of like more um comedic roles and everything. But it's just like you you you the Enterprise captain went from James T. Kirk to just this dude who I don't know, do you send him back to Starfleet Academy for like a refresher course or maybe give him a ship where everything is there? Um but anyway, yeah, I yeah, Neo Tom, I don't think that I have a Starship design that I really don't like. Um to be honest with you, I'm not really a big fan of the USS Defiant.
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SPEAKER_00Um just but you know what? I'm gonna be honest. The reason that I'm not a big fan of it is because it is so not a conventional Starship design. So and it I you know I do not get uh Discovery Um in past episodes. Uh however, I will say whenever uh I think it's season three, they yes, it's season three, uh whenever they um they f the discoveries in the future and they locate and rejoin Starfleet. And whenever they're coming into Starfleet headquarters, it shows you uh all these futuristic starships that have experimental um uh propulsion systems, um different designs based on needs and everything. Like you have, I guess there's USS Nog, there's a Voyager J, I think, that's mixed in. Um that still kind of pays homage to the original Intrepid class, but you know, is obviously a new ship. And I think Discovery, that's one of the cool things whenever they want into the future, is it shows you it's like okay, guys, you know, we've kind of kept a basic you know idea of what a starship is through all these other series. Have at it. We're gonna give you a couple scenes where you can create whatever you want of what a future starship is, and they they I think they deliver very nice um because they're just all so different.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Uh yo, sorry, so going back just for a minute to the Enterprise B, um the captain was John Harriman, which to be honest, I didn't know he had a name. He did, he actually did. Um, but I I can't find it, but I thought he was also in a video game because they had a couple, there was there was three of them. Three Star Trek, I think they were computer games. One was a like an enterprise focused one, one was a Klingon focused one, and then there's another one. I know it's a little tangent, but you know, if you guys have a chance, look up Star Trek Borg. Um, you play as a cadet who so so the ship you're on is getting ready to encounter uh a Borg Cube. And the uh you're the cadet is the son of one of the ships that was destroyed at Wolf 359.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_02And he they they the ship, the ship he's on are sending all the cadets off. He asks to stay to fight the Borg, they say no, and he's about to pack his bags, and who else but Q should show up and present him the opportunity to go back in time and try to save his dad? And um He can't mess with the timeline. Oh, and and and and John DeLancey. I mean, I again this is not the point of the video, but John DeLancey sells it, he's hysterical. Um, but anyways, sorry, to tie it into there was these three games and this guy was on it. Um and you know, when you were talking about Defiant, um I've only seen clips of Deep Space, Deep Space Nine. But as I understand it, I don't know if you've watched all of it or not.
SPEAKER_01I have.
SPEAKER_02Okay. When Defiant came out, like it was supposed to be like one of a kind at that point, it was like a one-of-the-kind, one of a kind ship.
SPEAKER_00It was when it was introduced, it was a prototype that they couldn't quite figure out how to make it work, and they kind of mothballed it until Cisco, who had a hand in the project, went and got it. I believe it was it was a small ship and it was overpowered. And of course, Chief O'Brien goes in and fixes it in like half an episode.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, the the I I saw in interviews, the writers kept saying it was it someone joked about it in the writer's room, and then even in the Star Trek universe, they're like, I think it was in uh first contact, where they're like a tough, tough little ship.
SPEAKER_00But um Yeah, and there is, we do see a di another USS Defiant. I forget the name of it. It's uh it was an episode of Deep Space Nine. Uh, it's where Red Squad, the elite Starfleet cadets, um, they get their own Defiant class ship, and it ends badly, but you know, I think it's um it was kind of a play off of it. I don't know if it was Reliant or something like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was I I know what you're talking about. Because that because actually that's funny now, too, that you say that. Because yeah, because it was a ship that was ran completely by cadets, right?
SPEAKER_00Yes, correct.
SPEAKER_02But then also I I know I've seen the scene where um sorry, I'm gonna see if I can look up the name of that defiant you're talking about.
SPEAKER_00But like, um Of course we do see the USS Defiant in the um the mirror universe a couple times that Cisco uh crosses over. They build it um they they build a USS Defiant in the Cal uh not in the Calvin, but in the mirror universe in order to take down the emp um I think it's it's an empire which is like Cardassians and Klingons because Wharf is like the Emperor, Supreme Chancellor, whatever he is.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, so actually, you know what, I vaguely remember that too. Um so I can't find the name of that other ship, but what I was gonna say was it was so so yeah, okay, so the Defiant. One of a kind. It's a prototype. But then there's also one ran by cadets, but also I don't know how many episodes are in between, but the Defiant gets destroyed, and then Oh then turned it, and then they there's a third one because they get another Definite. They're like the only difference is I think that one has a red carpet. And then they're like, this is the USS uh Sam Pablo Pablo, something like that. And they're like, and then they're like, oh, look at this. Here's a letter, call it Defiant. It's just like, oh well that's convenient, but and then and it was the only ship with like a uh it was it a Rom like it was a Romulan.
SPEAKER_00Well, it was um they had part Starfleet had partnered with the Romulans because there was a Romulan officer on board to operate the cloaking device, and it was the only Federation Starship that was allowed to have one, but they couldn't use it in the Alpha Quadrant, they could only use it in the Gamma Quadrant.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Um so going along, the same discussion of you know, starships in uh the Star Trek universe. One thing that drives me nuts personally, and it's probably just me. We'll see. Is the bridge designs.
SPEAKER_00I believe you are the only person out there that it bothers me.
SPEAKER_02There is a website. Um I don't remember what's called. If I googled it, I could find it. It doesn't matter. And the the the website basically has like a a like a breakdown. It's like it's like it's like a design of the bridge, and then it tells you which station does what. And again, this doesn't matter to anybody else, probably. But and like and like I and like I said, I learned in one of those video games I talked about earlier, where they're like, oh yeah, any console can be refit to do anything. And it's just it's just one of those things that really just like it like that's why I enjoy I think Voyager so much, because every station has a specific purpose. Right. I I mean I guess I don't have that much to say. I just like it's like in the Defiant. I'm like, I like the idea of a tight little ship. And it's like, okay, well, they're firing weapons over here, they're finding weapons over there, and I just I don't know. Again, it doesn't matter to anybody else but me, probably. But that being said, what uh do you do you even have a favorite bridge design? Or at least we'll start with favorites. Do you have a favorite design, Adam?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's not that I have a favorite design of a bridge. Uh I think each of them, I mean each of them is supposed is unique in its own way. Um, you know, I have to go back where I really do like the bridge of the Enterprise A, specifically the Enterprise A, not the Refit Enterprise. Um, and that's the bridge that we see in Star Trek V and Star Trek VI. Okay. Um I do like that because you have you have the one captain's chair, um, all the other officers are kind of behind him on an elevated level, um, and then you have the helm and navigation in front of him. So classic but sleek modern. Um then you you have the Defiant, and again, single captain's chair. And then you have like the Enterprise D that has the three chairs. And then you have and then you have Voyager that has two chairs and like a bench. So that then you know that's kind of interesting. Um I I do like Voyager's Bridge on how it's laid out, uh, because it's still fairly big and everything. Um, I will say I I do like I like how Discovery's Bridge kind of looks. But you know, the one thing it that's you you see in Discovery and you see in Strange New Worlds is this shiny glass floor that seems to be like the modern Starship look based on all the new series and everything. Um not that I was a big fan of the Enterprise's D's carpet, but you know, it's what I grew up on. It's like, well, why wouldn't a Starship bridge have carpet? Well, because it's really hard to get stains out. Um, in as much time that you know people are flying around the bridge for any reason, uh, you know, you have that, but you know, where they've taken things with the the shiny floors and the different colors and stuff, you see that in the on the Titan. You see it on Discovery, um, you see it's even Strange New Worlds, whenever they have like the New Enterprises Bridge. Um, you know, they kind of do a little bit of weird stuff with the floors. And yeah, it's kind of weird. You know, I'm focused. You focus on the the the layout of where the the ships um the different stations are, and it's just like, you know, what about the floor? Maybe that's just because I you know, and maybe that's just because you know, I I work for a local school district and I just spent the last two days waxing floors, so maybe I just got that on my mind or something. Um so you know, just you know, and I I can't say I I'm nitpicking a little bit, but every single one is really cool. Um I kind of like, you know, believe it or not, no lower decks, the Cali class, um, the California class. They the bridge, even though it is animated, I it's kind of cool too. It pay kind of pays homage. You have a little bit of the Enterprise D's um bridge layout mixed in with the um a constitution classes a little bit. Um you know the one thing that is a lot different. Um I just remember uh it was in Star Trek Picard, whenever Wharf is comparing the stations, he the the that the uh the bridge, the uh tactical layout on the Enterprise E was superior to the Enterprise D because it had X, Y, and Z and everything. You know, leave it the Wharf to kind of be like, you know, I like this layout better than the other ones, and everyone else is like, you know, Wharf, just shut up and deal with it.
SPEAKER_02Um, you know, I you know I'm I'm kind of jumping all over the place today. Um maybe this isn't new to anybody else. And listeners, definitely not new to Adam. But when you talk, sorry, when we were talking about the Defiant, I just thought it was worth noting. You talked about a mirror episode. That's actually I mean, technically it was aired first. So technically it's the first of two mirror universe defiants. Because if you remember in Enterprise, um, they did that Mirror Universe episode where the NXO1 stumbled upon, it was essentially like the set design and everything. It was the Enterprise from the original series. It was but it was named a Defiant.
SPEAKER_00It I'm sure there were differences. Yeah, I'm not sure if it was the Enterprise, it was definitely a constitution class.
SPEAKER_02I just know that the the the bridge, the bridge specifically, I know looked just like identical to it.
SPEAKER_00Because like I remember the like the like kind of like the humor where like the Archer puts on like the green shirt that Pac uh Kirk wears and um Yeah, because this is interesting, because you see they you you have the original series, you see the bridge of the Enterprise all through that series, and then there's the like five-minute segment in um the next generation episode with Scotty, where you go he goes into the holodeck and has the old bridge there. And then in Enterprise they have that bridge, they have that Starship and bridge again. So it's like you gotta pay homage to the original.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Oh, and and I'm and the original is great too. Um and then all and then, you know, I the the and like the Defiant with the weird computer like screens next to the captain's chair. Like, what are those for? Not the point. Anyways, so but like so bridge, so okay, okay, alright. So I like the Titan. I like the sleek design. Um I like you know, I I like the three chairs. I don't know why I just I did. I mean, I like the three chairs in uh, you know, even though I said it's not my favorite ship, I liked the three chair look in uh uh the next generation. Um I think I so I if I had to pick one that I would want to be on, like if I was like the captain of a ship, uh I don't remember which which movie it is, but I liked the idea. I one of the Enterprises, uh one of the um original series movies, where Kirk's chair like swivels around so we can like directly talk or whatever at any like specific station. It's a dumb thing that no one else cares about, but I was like, that's so why why shouldn't you be able to look at turn and look at somebody the uh the barber chair?
SPEAKER_00Sure, yeah. Yeah. Now you know, which is interesting, I'll uh and I'll just um it's in um the end of Star Trek Nemesis. And I think it's I don't know if it's the I think it's the alternate ending um that they have. It's not the the theater release ending, but they have an upgraded captain's chair on the Enterprise E for Picard. And it's whenever if the ship hits any kind of distortions or loses inertial dampeners or is in battle or something, it's a freaking like seatbelt that like goes around his waist and up over his shoulders, and Picard is like, it's about time. You know, it's it's this funny you we were talking about, just the evolution of the captain's chair from you know, someone obviously stole it off like from a barber shop and painted it and put some new padding on it, and then you have the Enterprise E or D's, which are like these big like lazy boy command chairs and then everything. Yeah, the one thing I will say, the Titan, and I think it's just you know, however the producers and however people are looking at it, is the bridge is so dark. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02It's like, did they forget to pay the light bill? Well, you know, it's funny that you talk about how dark that is, because I was just thinking.
SPEAKER_00Discovery's is kind of dark too, a little bit.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but isn't there like an in-universe reason? Doesn't the captain have like some sort of like there's something wrong with his eyes, so like he has to it has to be dark?
SPEAKER_00That was in Discovery, that was Captain Luca. Because he was from the mirror universe and because of where they were at with the their headquarters was powered by a star, so everybody there, their eyes were like really, really sensitive. That was the reason that's the reason that they gave for that. I was just I think they ran out of money with the set and just didn't have enough lighting or something. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Maybe. But you know, it's funny, so you talk about the Titan, the deck being too dark. The Enterprise in Um the Kelvin timeline. Way too shiny. Oh goodness. Like, you know, it you know, it's funny. I know that JJ Abrams loves the lens flares, and you've you've seen video like videos where like he's intentionally adding them, but like I feel like even in universe, that would be terrible. Just constantly lights in your eyes, every direction. Like there's no way anybody is seeing anything.
SPEAKER_00Let's let's add a backlight to the dash, and then we'll add another backlight to that backlight.
SPEAKER_02Although, similarly to that deleted scene in Nemesis, I was gonna say the uh seat belts, the you know, they they I believe it was in uh Star Trek, Into Darkness, that there was the same thing that you know all the stations had seatbelts on them.
SPEAKER_00I think there was when the Enterprise was about to was all almost crashed into Oh yeah, that's when the Revenge or I forget what the other starship was that they had built.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, uh the one Peter Weller's ship, Robocops.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the character's name. But um Yeah, Admiral um oh um yeah what was the dot his Yeah, his daughter was um Carol. His Kirk's girlfriend Fling from because I believe it was supposed to be, it was supposed to be the same character. Admiral Marcus. Yes, okay, yes. We were gonna get there at some point. I that was I'm so I'm impressed with myself. We did not have to Google that.
SPEAKER_02Um I don't know. Is there any is there anything else, I guess, that to say about about the uh um like ships, bridge designs, or just anything about about them. I don't know. I um I don't I don't know. I I I thought I had something, but now I don't remember.
SPEAKER_00Um come actually come to think of it, in uh in Star Trek Deep Space Nine, um, we also saw the original Enterprise Bridge. So the triple episode where they go Oh you're right. Yeah, we get to see it, even though it's kind of they it's that weird cinematic where they're you're taking original scenes and then you're inserting the new you're inserting different people and stuff into it. But yes, we get to see the Enterprise the original Enterprise Bridge in that one as well.
SPEAKER_02You know, it's funny, it's funny that you bring up that episode because before we close, because I I'm I'm I cannot remember what I was gonna say about one of the bridges, I I was going to ask you, um, because I meant to bring it up last episode, what you thought about like like the the all the uniforms in the Star Trek universe. Um I know, I know. You know, this is a wild conversation, like you know, subject of these.
SPEAKER_00But I I will tell you the one thing that was annoying in Star Trek Generations, which I knew um, I mean that film was pretty low budget. Um but how they had the Deep Space Nine episode, uh Deep Space Nine uniforms, and then also the Next Generation uniforms like coexisting was really weird. Um, and I just saw as Tom was um you know Googling Star Trek uniforms. I I'll tell you the first season or two of Next Generation, the skirts that the men wore was a little weird. I mean, maybe in the future, but still um Yeah, I'm glad they got I'm glad that they finally got rid of those.
SPEAKER_02Um, but you know what made me think of the uniforms is that in that Deep Space Nine episode, there was there was the joke about that. They they dressed in the era appropriate, but then uh one of the I wouldn't Oh was Dax and the women wore less? No, I no I I mean I think yeah I think she was in the skirt, but somebody made a comment about how um the No, it's the doctor. The doctor makes the comment that Dax and O'Brien are in the wrong colors.
SPEAKER_00Oh, Cisco and O'Brien, yes. Yes, and it's because they switch colors sometime in between well here's the thing. Here's the thing that you also have to realize is um, you know, we have the the color-coded uniforms in the original series. And then in Star Trek The Motion Picture, everyone is wearing either the white or gray pajamas, which are horrible.
SPEAKER_02Definitely, my opinion, definitely the worst ones.
SPEAKER_00And then you have, which are my favorite uniforms that's that they've ever put out, is in the Star Trek movies 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, and what they wore, uh the old cast in generations, is the red uniforms with the black pants, the belts, the kind of the over-the-shoulder rank insignia. I love those uniforms. Uh, and then all of a sudden, then next generation comes out, and you're back to the color-coded again. And then Discovery, those blue uniforms seem to like come out of nowhere. There's really no it's like, yeah, Discovery, there's half a starfield that wears these blue uniforms, and then the other half is still color-coded uniforms. There's never really an explanation on that. If there was, I completely missed it or tuned it out.
SPEAKER_02Um, so what what made me what made me um think about that was you know when you were talking about the um the oh in generations, how the like the Deep Space Nine Voyager uniforms were in there.
SPEAKER_00Like it was because of the budget and everything.
SPEAKER_02But like they're like they're like costumes taken off the set. Like if you remember, like Rikers is so small because it's actually Cisco's, and so like the sleeves don't even go long enough.
SPEAKER_00Um I will say the um the uh end of Deep Space Nine and the B and the um Star Trek First Contact, uh Nemesis and Insurrection. I do really like those uniforms. The the gray with the different the kind of like the the dicky turtleneck is the different colors for the command and stuff. But I really like the Admiral's uniforms in that version because they are the really cool ones because they have like the belt that goes around with a like a big gold big gold like Starfleet insignia buckle on them and everything. I really they just they look sharp, and I think it's because it's you know it's kind of goes back to the origin the original Siri um cast episodes.
SPEAKER_02So and so and like you know, one so I I never I never really understood. I mean, I mean, granted, I mean the Star Trek timeline, I'm not even gonna tr try try to break it down.
SPEAKER_00So if we want to have some time with all that, as well as all the temporal anomalies and different timelines and everything. Um my wife absolutely hates time travel when it comes to Star Trek, and it's it's fun. We'll have to see if I can get her on to um one of on the episodes, and we're gonna bring up time travel and just listen to a 20-minute tangent on that.
SPEAKER_02Uh but but so so I I I never understood why the uniforms changed so often, and then also in some cases so drastically. But then I saw a video one time, uh, it was a channel called Lore Reloaded that does like deep dives into Star Trek, like, you know, like the ship ship designs and you know, you know and he he posed something that I actually thought was interesting and maybe plausible. So, you know, in Star Trek there is time travel. I don't know how often common it is, but there is time travel.
SPEAKER_00I mean com it if you talk it's fact that Starfleet does have a Bureau of Temporal Dynamics that have to come out and investigate all this stuff in quite a bit.
SPEAKER_02Well, I was gonna say there there is some what is it called like the temporal time directive or something like that?
SPEAKER_00The uh yeah, the temporal prime directive. Do no do nothing to change um the timeline.
SPEAKER_02So what and like in like when you like come back, like you're not supposed to you're like you're like they're not even supposed to like acknowledge or like discuss what happened.
SPEAKER_00Right. And this is a whole nother episode for us to talk about.
SPEAKER_02Oh I mean I don't have much to say on that. I just he posed an interesting idea that what if along those same lines it was like a way for someone, whether intentionally or not, when they travel through time to like know what era they're in. Like if you only I only say that because you know there because because like also like when you think about it, there's an episode of Voyager when they travel back to when Tuvok was in Ensign.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, on and they were on the Excelsior.
SPEAKER_02Yes, and he like he's wearing the like the jacket uniform that you talked about that you loved. I don't know. I mean, maybe, maybe not, maybe it's just maybe there is no in-universe reason. It's just like you know It that's a cool theory sells toys.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that too. Uh it it I liked it, I like that theory. Um, you know, I think you know, if you really want to break it down, it's a new producer putting their stamp on the Star Trek universe, or a new costume designer that wants to have something radically different from anything else. It's just for for me as a fan, it's really annoying to try to keep up, like, okay, so we, you know, this is a difference of like four years, and there's three different styles of uniform, or the whole discovery, where did the blue uniforms come from? Not not that I hate the blue uniforms, I think they're cool. But why do you have them? It's like, okay, everyone in Starfleet has this uniform, even the admirals have this uniform, and then boom, the Enterprise shows up with um Pike, and he is in the more classic uniform. Um okay, so if this is you know, if this is the same time period that this is all going on, then why is their uniform different? I'm sure there's a reason. So well, I don't think we need to go down rabbit holes too much more. There's definitely a couple more, uh, definitely whole episodes that we can branch off of this conversation. I mean, just the the temporal den uh temporal mechanics whenever it comes to the Star Trek universe, which really sets it apart from pretty pr pretty much any other um spacefaring sci-fi series. Because Star Wars, I mean, if you if you introduce time travel to Star Wars, which you you kind of have a little bit in, but it's with like force flashbacks and force ghosts and everything. Um Battle Star Galactic, I mean Babylon 5, they don't really have much time travel and stuff, but Star Trek really, that's like their thing that they own. And hey, you know, well, it's this um we're gonna start something new. We're just gonna have time travel, and there's gonna be something that changes in the timeline, and boom, you know, we could go wherever the heck we want with it. Henceforth the the Calvin timeline.
SPEAKER_02So, believe it or not, we have listener feedback. No emails um besides someone that I'm pretty sure is a scam who really wants us to join some sort of podcast coalition.
SPEAKER_00I have not responded to it sounds like a coal uh federation of podcasters.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, maybe. So I just want I want to go back because this actually came in in June, and I had already responded to it. But I hope I hope this is sorry, still recording. It looks like it. Okay. Um so we got a message from Wes. And Wes said, this goes this was June 7th. He says, Hey, forgot the message, caught up on the podcast. Thought the discussion about the colors was really interesting in reference to the um light, the lightsaber video we did, which unintentionally brought up again. Um also love that you're a fan of Corin Horn. He is really cool. Have you read or listened to the new Jedi Order books? Um, I ended up responding. Uh I you know, next time if something like this happens, I'll bring it on the show. Um, but I just thought it was cool that someone is listening. But then also, while we were recording, I got our second piece of feedback, and hold on, where is it? Um, Haley, also known as my wife, says, BTW, listening to your last episode, Adam saying megazoid instead of megazord is giving me the ick.
SPEAKER_00You know, that's probably my Western Pennsylvanian um accent or whatever. Yes. I must apologize to Haley. I did mispronounce that it is megazoid, not megazord. No, it is megazord. It is megazord. See, here's the it I don't know. I think a Zord it kind of goes back to Zoids. Um, I forgot what the TV show that was, that it was all different Zoids that were different animals and stuff. It was whenever I was in high school. But anyway, um, so megazord. So um let's put that and correct that right now.
SPEAKER_02You know, every once in a while there's there's one or two. Like uh you you really love to say the Kelvian timeline instead of Kelvin. And I and I just I I I I don't care. I'm not I'm not I'm not considering.
SPEAKER_00I'm sure there's a listen there's a listener out there that probably does. Oh, I'm sure they do too. Um but the Kelvin timeline. Yes. How did I say Kelvin? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but so anyways, um I just I don't know, maybe this would be a fun thing. Maybe it would encourage engagement, like, hey, if you email us or send us a message on Facebook. Actually, I think that's a good question.
SPEAKER_00Or pronoun or correct some of Adam's pronunciations.
SPEAKER_02Or something. I don't know. I just, you know, uh or like if you guys comment on YouTube or even leave a review on Apple, like we will like we'll we'll read it. You know, be part of the show.
SPEAKER_00Here's a challenge. I want someone to go back and listen to all of our episodes and come up with a list of things that I have mispronounced throughout the entire thing.
SPEAKER_02I don't think there's really been that many. Uh, you'd be surprised. Well, anyways, unless you got anything else to say, I think we're gonna wrap up now. Please do. Okay. Alright, so if you are watching us on YouTube, like and subscribe. Leave a comment down below on your opinion on best, worst starships. Um Are you a fan of carpet or not on Starships? Sure, yeah, carpets and uh do you have a favorite or least favorite bridge design? If you are on Apple Apple, Apple jeez, holy cow. I you think I'd have this down by now. Apple, Spotify, Amazon, pretty much anywhere except for YouTube, YouTube music, and iHeartRadio. Um follow, rate, and review. Uh if you want to email us, which please do, we are two guys no creds at Gmail. We are on Facebook as two guys questionable credentials. And yeah, let's let us know what you want to see next. Um it kind of it kind of seems like people have been less interested since we kind of went off from doing Star Wars Star Trek content. So I think we're gonna try to keep that going. You know, maybe we'll do another Star Trek video or two, and then maybe it might be a fun, you know, we did that episode with um, you know, favorite characters. Maybe it'd be cool to either do a sequel or maybe even like pick a character, take turns doing like deep dives into origins, backstory. That's the same thing. But anyways, I rambled on too long. Thank you guys, and we'll see you next time. Alright, that's the show. Thanks for hanging out with us for another episode of Two Guides Questionable Credentials. If you laughed, learned something, or are now somehow more confused than when you started, then we've done our job. Be sure to subscribe, leave a review, and tell a friend or an enemy we're not picky. And remember, everything discussed here is just a conversation, speculation, and two people confidently wandering through topics they may or may not fully understand. Please take none of this as legal, medical, or emotional advice. We'll see you next time.