Red or Blue: Think for Yourself Because AI Can't

If 50% of people vote blue, everyone survives. If less than 50% go blue, only the red voters survive. What color would you choose? We also dive into the world of AI: why it can never truly think, the rise of AI psychosis, and what happens to the rest of us when machines start taking our jobs. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

So I got a question for you.

SPEAKER_02 0:06

Listening?

SPEAKER_00 0:07

Mr. Beast actually tweeted this a couple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_02 0:12

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 0:13

It's like a moral dilemma question. It got the internet roused, I would say.

SPEAKER_02 0:17

Is this like a trolley problem? A little bit.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Basically, yeah. Okay. So, okay, hear me out. Everyone on Earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who press the red button survive. Which button would you press?

SPEAKER_02 0:42

So if if more than 50% presses blue, everyone survives. Basically, yeah. Even the people that press red.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

And then if less than 50% press blue, only the people that press red survive. Yes. So if red gets a higher majority than blue, blue dies. If blue gets a higher majority than red, everyone lives. Yeah. I go for blue.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

That's like, was it a no-brainer?

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

Okay, that was for me too. Like one of my best friends sent me this question, and immediately I was like, okay, it's it's blue.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

But apparently, under the poll that Mr. Beast put on Twitter, the stats were almost close, actually. Yeah. 44% people voted for red. I think I think 56% voted for blue.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_02 1:28

Well, I think the people that are participating in this are probably not participating in the true spirit of the question. Yeah, totally. Because, for example, you know, the people that are voting red, are they thinking about their loved ones? Are they thinking about their parents? Are they thinking that their parents are gonna vote blue while they're being dickheads and voting red? I don't think they're thinking that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

Oh, you think it's just they're just trolling around? Yeah. Really think so.

SPEAKER_02 1:55

But you know, I think even if this was like a re if like humanity was by some like higher power was presented this question out of the blue, I totally think a ton of people are voting red just because they're not totally processing which which I think is like this is this is actually uh in my opinion. I I feel like the results of this are actually quite an accurate representation of my view on humanity, I guess. Which is like a lot of people will be making this decision without actually understanding the decision that they're making.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

Oh, I see. So what you're saying is that they are probably not fully aware of the consequences of pressing whatever button. Red or blue. 100%. Or is it just red, or do you think it's both red or blue?

SPEAKER_02 2:36

Well, I think it's just red because you know, when you're voting blue, you're just like believing in humanity. You know, you don't want to that's what I thought. Yeah, exactly. You don't want you like you're just not a bad person. Yeah, you know, you think people are good, and you know, that's the end of that, and you care about human lives. But if you're voting red, I think some people are probably bad people. I think some people probably aren't bad people, but are like hurt people. I think the vast majority are just like not even thinking about this problem really that they should the way that they should be thinking about it.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

Yeah, because I was thinking about it, like why would people press red? Like, of course, there's you know, you want to survive, that's number one. That's guaranteed survival.

SPEAKER_02 3:17

It's not though. It is, it is. No, because it oh wait, you're right, it is. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

Yeah, you you survive for sure 100% if you press red. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. Just that the caveat is that you know, you don't know if your friends or family are gonna survive because maybe they pressed blue, and it turns out it was less than 50%, so they die. So then I thought that that's one explanation. Another explanation is that maybe you have a pessimistic view of the world of humanity. So you are anticipating that the population is not gonna press blue, so it won't be majority. So in anticipation of that, you're just gonna press red.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

Bro, if you press red, you're a fucking asshole. Like, no joke. What the heck? Like, that is so inhumane. You just taking the action of pressing red, you're contributing to to murder, you're contributing to like condemning all these people to die, you know. You think so? Yeah, I mean you are. Yeah, it's not it's not that I think so. That like we gotta view that as a fact. If you vote red, you're you know, maybe on the bright side, you're like hoping everyone else votes blue and you're like a coward, so you vote red to secure your own uh survival.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

I'm just trying to see the other side of red, because this is essentially like kind of the trolley question, right? Yeah, uh well, is it? Uh I guess I mean not not not really exactly, but the moral dilemma is there, you know.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

I guess it's the trolley question if you're like if you're on the tracks, but even then you're like you're in the situation you're not actually on the tracks. Like you could just fucking vote blue and then everyone survives, you know. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

Which was which was my thinking until I read the polls, I was like, oh okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

No, but like dude dude, there's no way there's like more bad people in the world than good people. There's just it's just not even close.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

So you think there's more good people than bad? Yes, 100%. I mean, I mean I agree. I agree with you. Yeah, 100%. But by your argument, are you saying that there's 44% of people who are bad and 56 people?

SPEAKER_02 5:12

No, I think I think like a big percentage of that 44% are just being disingenuous. You know, they're just like an online polls or you're just kind of exactly like, oh, let's let's fuck around and like say some stupid shit, you know. But but I still think like if this was like, you know, by magic, if this was like a real situation presented to people, yeah. Uh out of the blue, like just like some anime or sort out a line bullshit where like some text appears like in front of you, yeah, you know, and you gotta make it, you gotta make a choice right then and there within like 20 seconds. Um think rational people, yeah, like people that are not fucking children, yeah. Uh they'll probably be like, yeah, I'm gonna blue.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Yeah, I didn't even think about that because I guess no wait, no, that doesn't matter though, because this question is provided to everyone. It's not just adults.

SPEAKER_02 6:03

Oh yeah, but like when I say children, I mean like mentally, you know? When someone's like immature, when they're like fucking can't think yeah, when they're basically when they're like, I don't know, I use like some kind of charged language about this kind of stuff kind of sometimes. Like I don't like I've said before, no, maybe not on the podcast podcast, but like before people are like their brains are fully developed, they're like not fully human, you know. They're like they don't have their humanity totally, they don't really get things. Yeah, but I think once people are like mature enough, grown enough, they have their like humanity, they understand stuff. They wouldn't make a stupid decision like voting red. Once you get to a certain age, start worrying about other people, what are my friends voting? Um, what are my parents? Not not to like fit in, but like for this specific situation. Yeah. You know, you don't want your friends to get hurt, you don't want your family to get hurt. Yeah. So you ask yourself, like, what's my dad gonna vote on this? What's my mom gonna vote on this? What's my brother, what's my sister gonna vote on this, what's my best friend gonna vote on this? Yeah. And the people that don't that vote red, they're not I feel like they're not really thinking about that.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

Um or do you think they're they might be also thinking, Oh, I know my friends and family will also choose red, so I have to choose red. I guess, but is that common?

SPEAKER_02 7:12

I don't know, but it can't there's no way it can be. That's just like such an immature way of thinking, I think.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Hmm. Yeah, it's so interesting because like once again for me, I didn't even hesitate. It was like blue.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

What what did uh your friend say? Blue 100%. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

Like right away.

SPEAKER_02 7:27

Yeah, I mean, I feel like like most people our age are gonna just say blue. I think people that are younger that want to fuck around, like have a laugh, they might say red.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

Yeah, yeah. To like, yeah. I I guess I didn't even think about that.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

What what percentage of the population is like below like 25? Do you know the global population? The age? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me uh search it up. Before you search it up, do you think it's like a lot?

SPEAKER_00 7:50

No. Actually below 20 below 25. Below 25.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

25 to zero.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

No, I don't think it's a lot. You think it's less than on globally average? I don't think it's a lot because like 10%? Hmm. I would say let me say maybe like 30%.

SPEAKER_02 8:09

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Less more than I thought.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

What's your guess? I think I was gonna go closer to 10%, 25 and under. I feel like there's a lot of and this is this is on average, like the entire world.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Some places geriatric populations are are far more greater. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

But I feel like on average, but there's like no is there any place where like the young population is fucking booming?

SPEAKER_00 8:28

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

I don't think there is. I think across the world, I feel like I feel like I've been reading over the past like decade that everyone's sucking the population dick. You know, everyone's got population growth issues that they're supplementing with immigration.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

Oh wow. It says around 40 to 42% of the world's population is younger than 25 years old.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

No way, that's kind of awesome. I think we we got power, homies. Let's put it to good use. Bo red. Oh, you're right. Holy shit. Oh my god, I'm still in young adult mode.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

So now the next question was which country we're in the old group, but over 25. I think uh many countries in Africa they have the youngest population.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

I guess that kind of makes sense in some ways.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

Why do you think so? Um, I think just speaking from you know, I'm not from Canada, I'm from Asia, and in most Asian countries, well, not just Asian countries, most undeveloped countries, which are in Asia and places like Africa, a lot of your livelihood comes from, you know, working hands in your family. Hands that can tend the field, like literally farm farm work and menial work, like you know, family owns shops and you go work in them or uh gas stations or farms, stuff like that. You know, much like it was common in the Western world a hundred years ago, it it is common in those underdeveloped co is it wrong to say underdeveloped? How do you refer to these countries?

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Uh developing countries.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

Developing countries, yeah. Okay. Uh sorry about that. Um yeah, in these developing countries, I'm quite sure it's still quite common to have a bunch of kids so that they can contribute uh to the family.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

From what I remember, um, like the fertility is higher, women bear more children. It's in contrast to Western countries and even also in Asia, like specifically South Korea and Japan, where their population is literally decreasing. Yeah because people aren't having kids. Yeah, and the geriatric population is growing further and further, and it's just and that in itself places a huge burden on the economy. Like people aren't having children at all.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Yeah. I mean, it's like totally understandable. I'm not someone that's looking at I mean, I'm not even in a relationship right now, but still, yeah, uh, even if I was, I wouldn't be talking to my girlfriend or wa or wife about having kids, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

I think it's especially understandable in countries like Korea and Japan because their work culture is so intense, yeah, and they're just grinding so much and so much of a time is occupied working and grinding, yeah, that you know, if you if you have children, you don't have time for yourself at all. So like who would want to have children then?

SPEAKER_02 11:20

Uh-huh. Yeah. I agree completely. And um in so many parts of the world, in my opinion, there's a big moral gap that needs to be made that has not yet been made in those countries. For example, uh the biggest thing I think is gender roles, where uh women are expected to pretty much give up everything to have kids, which is uh entirely wrong, completely wrong.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

And um things are starting to change and these gender roles are being destroyed a little bit, which is great, but it does contribute to this problem, I think, of kids, where before women were giving up so much to to take care of these children, and now they're not willing to, which is great, and I totally agree with that. But it makes the problem apparent of how do you raise kids with uh you know two working parents that have to work, that they don't have the luxury to take time off of work. Yeah, yeah. Um, and I mean this is how it should be. A woman should not be expected to give up her career, her education, all the things she's worked so hard for to fucking take care of kids. That's that's just stupid, you know. It should be a joint venture, not venture, joint uh responsibility. Yeah, and yeah, I think because of this shift happening where women are not the sole caregivers for children, contributes to you know this lack of family building. But um, I mean, you know, fuck the fucking oligarchs that put us in this place, like fucking pay us more money, you piece of shit. You know, like is this not a this is not a problem created by some natural causes or some shit? This is totally artificial. If people didn't have to worry about their fucking lives and money and like paying bills, you know, yeah, we would have kids everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Speaking of that, yeah, I think um in Korea actually, they they are giving financial incentives for people to have children.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

Yo, fuck you guys. How about you give some fucking financial incentives to the single people? Like, what's this double class bullshit, you know? Like maybe if the single people had a little bit more money, they'd be more willing to go into relationships and find people and you know, something like that. Maybe I feel like money is probably honestly probably for people that are in a position to have kids, I think money is the one thing that stops them from doing so. You know, like if someone could make a comfortable money taking less hours at work, you know, if that wouldn't destroy their lives, I'm sure people would be more than willing to take time off work to take care of their children, you know. But because because that is definitely yeah, because that is like not I think at all in our world, it really isn't, no matter where you go. I mean, I don't know about all of the world. There might be some havens in Europe that are like fucking awesome for having kids. Yeah. So I I won't speak to that, but for places that I know of, you know, money is a big thing that has the grip on people to stop stop them from having kids.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

It's it's so expensive and um very expensive. Yeah, and that's something you can only make up, you know, the the lack of money is something you can only make up with massive sacrifices, and you're gonna feel that lack of money eventually. You know, even once that if if you decide to if someone decides to quit their job to stay home, take care of kids, um su yeah, sure, you can t take care of those kids and survive on a on a single salary for a little while. But then what happens when the kid's grown up and you gotta go back to work and then you can't fucking get work, you know, because you had to quit your job to take care of this fuck this not fucking kid, but this kid, yeah, your kid. And um, yeah, it's just it's you know unr unrealistic, you know, it's unreasonable. Yeah, it's an unreasonable pressure that's being put on society and um yeah, if this barrier just wasn't there. There would be you know, do you think there would be any problems with birth rates worldwide? I feel like across the board, every single country, we'd have rising birth rates if this wealth disparity wasn't so obvious.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

In in places in Africa, the the birth rates are still high.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, what do I say to that? I mean, I guess that's I would argue that's just like necessity, you know. And and once those developing countries catch up, they're gonna be facing these same problems, you know. And I mean, if we work backwards, say Canada reverts to um hundred, two hundred years ago, where there aren't a bunch of businesses or you know, a ton of places to work, and work is mostly just farm work, um, menial jobs. I think if we go back to those times, we see you know very similar people having a bunch of kids to help out on the farm and stuff like that. But you know, we're talking about these these uh for example this stuff in Africa where people have are having a lot of kids. Do you know if those um if those people are like getting government subsidies, if they're getting help for having these kids? I have no idea. I don't know. Yeah, so that might be the case, you know. They might be getting a lot of money for having these kids. It might be a lot of incentives to think so, and I I don't know. But you know, it would be unfair to assume that they're just have you know everything's working out and they're just having these kids and everything's like jolly without any external help. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

I I I don't think they they would get incentives. Like I why do you think so? I'd be surprised because um I'm not sure I'm not talking about just places in Africa, but yeah, the the trend is that in developing areas it seems to be that the birth rates, the fertility rates are higher for a multitude of reasons. And for me, it's once again I haven't fact checked checked this, but I can't see why the government, a government of a developing country would provide financial incentive for people to have children.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

I could. Really? Yeah, because it's a developing country. Why don't you want to catch up?

SPEAKER_00 17:15

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

You know?

SPEAKER_00 17:16

I don't know. I'm way too uneducated to have an input on this.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

Me too, but we're just talking shit, yeah. We're just catching up.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

The the questions I that we answered before, um, I used uh I used AI to look it up. So actually I I wanted to bring it up. Like what what are your thoughts on AI?

SPEAKER_02 17:37

I've used AI once in my life, only once.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

That's crazy. I use it every single day.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

Yeah, I know. Uh I think I've have I told you the one time I think I did, but you might have forgot.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

The one time you used it?

SPEAKER_02 17:47

Yeah. No. The one and only time I used AI was to find figure out a name for our volleyball team.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Was it successful?

SPEAKER_02 17:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you like it? The one that we had this season, this past season.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

I thought it was pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

Yeah, I thought it was pretty good too. You know, it was catchy, it was a little pop culture reference.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

So you don't use AI at all?

SPEAKER_02 18:05

Not at all. But you know what's funny? So I watched some local volleyball, like where we play volleyball. You know, a lot of people record their games. Sometimes we record our games too, and like post them on YouTube. I'll make this quick. Post them on YouTube, and uh, you know, so I watch some of those games and then I'll get recommended volleyball videos, local volleyball videos of other teams that have like filmed their games in the place that we play. And um, so the new season started recently, and so we're not playing in this season, but I saw another team has our exact name. Really? Yeah, so those motherfuckers definitely used chat GPT as well because I use chat GPT for this name, and it's the exact same name. They must have used Chat GPT for this name, too.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

100%.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

Yeah, yeah. It's the exact same name that we had before. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

Yeah. Funny is you're talking about AI.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

Yeah, no, I I use it every day.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

I don't use it at all. I um is there a reason? Uh is there a reason? I mean, thinking back, I remember a couple summers ago, we were at the the first time I like came into contact with AI, I remember we were at coincidentally the party house that we've talked about a couple times. One of our friends had chat GPT on his phone and we were like asking a bunch of questions to it and stuff. Yeah, at that point I was just like, this thing is stupid as fuck. You know, not not AI. I was like chat GPT, like this thing that you're trying to quote unquote communicate with. Of course, you're not actually communicating with because AI doesn't understand communication, doesn't actually understand anything. Um, don't be fooled. AI cannot think, it's just parsing the internet for or its database for whatever it has and putting those strings together and shedding out some bullshit that is most accurate to whatever your prompt is. So yeah, anyways, when I first saw ChatGPT, uh I was like, okay, it's like it's like Google, you know? Yeah, you you ask something and then it gives you something. Uh so it it didn't catch my eye, but it's gotten much, much bigger nowadays. And you know, you have people building entire applications and software and Claude. Yeah, literally, I've heard Claude so many times in the past couple months. Um, and I've never used Claude, uh, but apparently you can do some crazy stuff with it. Uh but yeah, I I've never been a big user of AI. I wake up in the morning, log into my PC, and instantly end task on Microsoft Copilot. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you use Copilot? No, yeah, close that shit every single time. I don't use Gemini. I don't use like are you against AI? Yeah, I am. I don't have my thoughts about this organized right now. I've argued with one of our friends about this multiple times, but yeah, I'm not exactly a huge fan of AI, and the specific reason for it is because honestly, my biggest problem with it is just the name artificial artificial intelligence. Yeah, yeah, because what it implies, you know, the name is artificial intelligence intelligence, so it implies some form of intelligence. Yeah, when that is completely disingenuous, it's completely wrong. There is no intelligence there.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Oh, I see, I see what you mean.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Okay, okay. Yeah, so a lot of people I feel well, I know have been like fooled into thinking this thing thinks. But make no mistake, it does not think at all. Um you don't think so. No, it doesn't. I know so. And you know so too. It doesn't think, it doesn't have the capacity to think, it cannot think. Yeah, again, I haven't organized my thoughts about this, but maybe I will for the next episode because I have a lot to say about this.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

That's so interesting because um I'm also not the biggest fan of AI for a variety of reasons. The big reason for me is more the creative part that it takes away the art of creativity in all forms of media, like music, visual arts, graphic design. I think like quite literally, like graphic designs and animators are are losing their jobs because of AI.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Not just them. Yeah. A lot of computer scientists lose their jobs because of it.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Now they're just you know having they're they're saying that they can do like legal stuff as well. Yeah, which isn't completely insane. Yeah, like medicine too, which I have a whole nother thought about that, because who's gonna take the legal responsibility if they AI makes them?

SPEAKER_02 22:18

What are you gonna do when your AI misdiagnoses my fucking cancer?

SPEAKER_00 22:21

You know, exactly. But I but I think as we're in this current AI boom, eventually, whether you like it or not, I think AI is just gonna continue to take over, if I'm being honest. For example, um, there's been lots of talks that there's AI programs or services who are able to come up with like vocals, instrument instruments that are just as authentic. There's recent controversy that there was an AI song that topped the iTunes charts. No way, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh no, I forgot. Okay, good. Sounded pretty good though. Oh shit. Yeah, which is a scary thing, and that's what I'm saying. Like, like I'm not a fan of it. We should try to avoid it, but I think it's gonna be inevitable, basically.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

Do you think this was like what it was like when people first got fridges and like the iceman lost his job and the milkman lost his job?

SPEAKER_00 23:13

Who's the iceman?

SPEAKER_02 23:15

So the ice so people didn't used to have um ice in their house. People before people had fridges, fridges.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

So okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

They had no access to ice. Yeah. So much like you know about the milkman, you know, milkman comes and drops off milk. There was also an iceman who would co go around and drop off ice in the morning for people because they didn't have ice. Okay. Yeah. And then once fridges became a thing and freezers, um, milkman lost their job and iceman lost their job. So do you think this is like a similar situation to that?

SPEAKER_00 23:49

No, I think it's more so closer to like the internet when it first came out. In what way?

SPEAKER_02 23:54

I think there was a lot of like uh with the introduction of the internet, whose jobs were affected negatively. Oh, I guess because I'm specifically looking at this from like a jobs perspective.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

Oh, Jobs perspective. Yeah. I know I assume a lot of jobs were lost because of the internet. I just don't know. I just can't think of any right now, but yeah, yeah. But there was a lot of skepticism behind the internet, but look at it now, we just blew up and then So you think this is like not a similar situation to the internet?

SPEAKER_02 24:21

The fridge, internet, whatever technology that like I think it is a similar situation. Oh, okay. So so then in that in that case, like if it is a similar situation, then it's like, you know, that's just the way it goes.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

That's what I'm saying, but I I'm just saying that it's I'm not a fan of it.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

Yeah. Why aren't you a fan of it? If this is truly like natural course for humanity, why are you not a fan of this? If you because I assume you're a fan of the fridge, I assume you're a fan of the internet.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

Yeah, because I'm not the fan of the artificial aspect of it. What's the joy of the artificial component of whatever is available out there? Like nowadays it's hard for me to distinguish what's an AI video.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

Dude, I yeah, I mean, I think it's I think it's hard for a lot of people. I've seen these videos that get posted on like Reddit and so I don't use a ton of social media, but I do use Reddit, unfortunately. Uh every now and then I'll check for news and stuff over there. And it's like a bunch of AI videos will occasionally get upvoted, and then I'll see them in not every time, but a lot of time I'll be like, okay, this is obviously AI. And then I look at the comments about dude, that just reminds me. I think there's like a an ongoing AI PSY-op going on on the internet. What's Psyop? Like, I don't know exactly what PSYOP means to be honest. But I think uh uh psychological operation. I don't know. It's like a coordinated um agenda pushing, basically. For what?

SPEAKER_00 25:49

What's the agenda about?

SPEAKER_02 25:51

For so what I'm talking about right now is for AI, and what I mean by like a coordinated psyop is like when a video or something gets posted about AI and someone says something negative about it, I see those comments get fucking nuked. The negative comments, yeah. The negative comments about AI, they get fucking nuked, and it's like super super the the score or like the votes on it is like super low, and there's like a bunch of like random ass like fucking comments that only a bot could think of. It's like some stupid shit. And I've I'm seeing that a lot nowadays.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Um is that a conspiracy the uh theory?

SPEAKER_02 26:27

Yeah, it is a conspiracy. It's my personal conspiracy theory. Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah. Uh I don't know, just sort of like a real thing, just like something that I've been noticing. I feel like there's like a big push for AI acceptance nowadays. And in my experience, when someone like calls out AI and says, like, yo, this shit's AI, don't fall for it, they get fucking nuked.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Really?

SPEAKER_02 26:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Huh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

Interesting. I haven't I haven't observed that.

SPEAKER_02 26:53

Yeah, maybe I'm like looking at comments too much and stuff. Wow. I mean, I think uh AI is totally an inevitability. I think we are going to have it in our lives too.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

The biggest thing is that the reason why is because it just brings so much convenience.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

And it's it's specifically the chat bots, you know, the AI chatbots that you talk to. I think those are like those are here to stay. Uh, I don't know so much about the generative uh images and videos, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

I mean, well, I think I think those are gonna those are those are gonna bloom. Actually, yeah, you're right. I mean especially for people like because one argument that I saw for supporting AI is that you know, let's say there's a there's a person who does not have access to the resources of, for example, making a movie or having a very pr professional studio to make a really good record. AI is able to provide a lot of those resources. They don't need a crew, they can literally write it down through the generative AI medium, and they're able to come up with scenes in their head that otherwise they wouldn't have the opportunity to do so because they don't have those resources. So that's an argument that I saw. Have you seen anything like that so far? Not yet, but I feel like in the future, like pretty soon, like movies are gonna be made that way. Really, and a lot of people will have more accessibility to be able to make these type of movies. So I think writers are at a huge advantage for this.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

You know, I I would push back on that a little bit because specifically because um for the the solo user or like solo creator part, right now, as a solo like fucking average Joe using AI to make bullshit, uh, you have it pretty good right now. You're not seeing much of the cost of creating these kinds of things. Because right now you're an early adopter and you have benefits of being an early adopter, one of them being you do not see the cost, but that's not like the cost of using AI, yes, okay, but that is not sustainable and that is not the future within like 10 years, it's gonna be way more expensive to uh pump out like bullshit AI videos and stuff like that. Like it's definitely not gonna be you could you won't be able to go on like Sora AI. Is that Celtic?

SPEAKER_00 29:10

Nothing that I'm gonna shut down. Okay, well, whatever the new sort of seat dance or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Yeah, whatever the new AI like video TikTok is, you for sure will not be able to go on that, make a free account and start making like oh so you think there's gonna be tiers to subscription of YouTube. Oh, there's gonna be a lot of tiers to subscribe. Like, I mean, just look at YouTube. YouTube was free, what, 10 years ago? Completely free.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

There was like was there even a YouTube premium back then? I mean, I know there were ads.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

Ten years ago, no.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

Yeah, I I know there were like ads, yeah, but I mean, like ad blocking was like so big since then.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

Yeah, I mean everything is based on subscriptions nowadays. Exactly. There's literally a black mirror episode about this, like tiers of subscription, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

I mean it makes sense, but yeah, like this cut this cost right now is being for like making all this stuff, is being fronted by companies that are running these generative AI farms, but that's not always gonna be the case. Eventually, this cost is going to be pushed onto consumers, and that's definitely gonna push like like the solo creators out of the market.

SPEAKER_00 30:09

Okay, in my opinion. Yeah, that's actually that that is a good argument. Funny that you mentioned AI chatbots that it's gonna stay. I'm also actually against that, yeah, because um, I'm not sure if you've read, but there has been a lot of incidences of what's called AI psychosis. No, I don't know what this is. Yeah, so essentially what it is that people who are predisposed to developing a psychotic illness like schizophrenia, when they use these AI chatbots, it seems to be that AI acts as a medium or vehicle to increase the risk of developing psychosis, primarily because AI doesn't refute or challenge your beliefs, they actually kind of reinforce whatever you're talking about. So if you're delusional, like having delusions that someone's trying to chase you, someone's trying to kill you, or maybe that you have superpowers, AI has the capability to further support these claims rather than refuting it, and it just feeds into it and they just eventually develop psychotic symptoms. And there's been more and more cases of that, which is quite scary.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

Yeah, uh that totally makes sense to me because correct me if I'm wrong, but psychosis is largely something that starts as like a constant suspicion of something, you know, quite common, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Yeah, yeah, psychosis quite literally means um like breaking apart from reality. Um there's a lot of symptoms of psychosis. The most commonly known ones are like hallucinations and delusions. And amongst illusions is like paranoia, and the suspiciousness of it is quite common. So what you mentioned is very true. It starts off like you're kind of paranoid about everything. Yeah, paranoid that people are watching you, paranoid that people are trying to stalk you in everything. And I've seen or I've read that with the use of AI, this further enhances and amplifies the beliefs that the people have when they use these chatbots, which just goes bigger and bigger, and now they're like fully psychotic.

SPEAKER_02 32:07

Yeah, I I could totally see that being like a fast track to um these this like unfortunate circumstance because these chatbots are just made to keep you inter it's like it's literally like social media. There the goal is not to give you what you want, it's it's to get you to keep going. Exactly. You know, yeah. It's it's so you keep interacting and they're not gonna these chatbots aren't gonna say something to like upset you, yeah. Not intentionally at least. Yeah, you know, they're gonna a lot of confirmation bias going on in these conversations, you know, especially if you word things a certain way. Like if you're asking, if you're saying like, hey, XYZ, right? Yeah, it's the the chatbot's gonna be like correct, yeah, you know, and then like fucking give you some bullshit, but it's still gonna agree with you.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

Yeah, like even like when I even when I use AI and they give me some wrong answer, I'm like, yo, what the hell? That's that's not right. And they would reply, haha, my bad.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

Yeah, like well, what the fuck do you mean you're bad, man? Yeah, yeah. This is like part of the reason I'm not, I mean, I don't go out of my way to use any AI, um, but like when you put something into Google, you'll always get like your fucking Gemini. Gemini now. Yeah, yeah. You'll always get the Gemini thing. I have this one friend who anytime we like talk about something, this has happened so many times over the past year, and it's like quite infuriating, actually. Like it's not that infuriating, it's just like annoying. But it's like we have like discourse, and he'll fucking throw something into Gemini and then like copy-paste whatever Gemini said. Like, what? Yeah, yeah. So it's like we'll be talking about something, yeah. And um he he disagrees with what I'm saying, so he'll put it into Google, Gemini spits out whatever answer, and he'll like screenshot that, send it to me, but like he doesn't even put in the effort to copy and paste, but he just screenshots. Yeah, he'll screenshot it and like send it to me like, haha, I'm right. And on numerous occasions, I've like gone in and be like, bro, no, you're not right. Like this fucking Gemini is like linking a comment off of like a Reddit post that's incorrect. Yeah, like this this is just like this is bullshit. This is not real, this is not a real answer. You can't just and it started opening my eyes to honestly the true nature of humans and how fucking lazy and how desperate we are for confirmation, yeah. You know, because as soon as you see, as soon as you type something in, and you know, you want to be right, everyone wants to be right, no one really wants to be wrong. Um, you get this confirmation, whether it's right or wrong, from this AI, and you're like, that's like amazing, you know, you feel amazing. You're like, okay, I'm right, I'm valid. Here you go. There's my answer. Nice and easy. But that's just not how it is because these chatbots, like I said before, they're not thinking for themselves. You know, when you say something to me, I think about it, or at least I should think about it, and I give a response based on what I've thought. But these chatbots, they do not have the capacity to think. It is impossible for them to think. And it let me make this very clear, it will always be impossible for these AIs to think. They are not capable of it. This is not a problem that humanity has solved. We cannot give something intelligence. If we were able to, it would take it takes more energy than we have access to right now. That's the crux of the issue. There is no such thing as actual artificial artificial intelligence. There's no thing in a computer that has a conscience or the capability to think. It just does not exist at all. So, with that being said, it it's incredibly irresponsible to use it as a blanket source. It's totally fine to use it to dip your toes into a little topic or get started with something, but it should never be never ever ever in the state that it's in, even close to be your you know, answer to anything.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

Yeah, no, I agree. Like when I use it, I always try to confirm and read the actual sources that it gives me.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

I mean, Gemini makes it easy, it lists you exactly where it got the bullshit from. Yeah, and all you have to do is click that. That's what I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that way it's a lot of people don't do that, just so you know. A lot of people are just satisfied with whatever bullshit Gemini gives them. Yeah, and you know, I didn't I didn't think um Gemini wasn't like the big one at the start. It was Chat GPT, right? Yeah, but now I feel like Gemini is probably getting there to be the big one.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

They're yeah, they're they're top. It's like ChatGPT, Claude for sure. Claude's probably the biggest one right now.

SPEAKER_02 36:34

Is Claude the biggest though? Because I think I know Claude is um Claude's huge. I know Claude is very useful for technical things like coding. Yeah. But is like the layman coding? Oh, I guess I guess that's true. But everyone uses Google, and just by using Google, you're using Gemini. Yeah, that's so smart. Yeah, right. I mean, when these um when these AI chat like when ChatGPT first became a thing, yeah, and Microsoft bought out ChatGPT. Um Microsoft bought ChatGPT? Yeah, they bought op open AI. They did, they did, didn't they? I have no idea. I'm pretty sure Microsoft bought open AI very early into Oh, I thought they were just um their own standalone. I mean, should I fact fact check this? I know they were standalone before, but I'm quite certain Microsoft bought a open AI a couple of years ago, started investing into this. Let me look it up real quick. Microsoft buys open AI. I'm I'm pretty sure this is what happens. They haven't bought it, but they have a strategic partnership, and uh in 2024, Microsoft invested 14 billion into OpenAI, or something like that. So Microsoft has a pretty close relationship. I don't know exactly if this is true nowadays, but I know it was true before in the early stages of ChatGPT. And how it was perceived back then, I don't know if you remember, was just that ChatGPT was an evolution of search engines. So Bing search engine was just going to be get replaced by ChatGPT. That's kind of I mean, that's basically what Gemini is now. It got replaced Google search is getting replaced by Gemini.

SPEAKER_00 38:12

Um yeah, because it's it's it's up there like right at the top.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

So yeah, every single time. So yeah, I mean, I guess when I first heard it like that, I I viewed it as like pretty non-threatening, but now it's gotten so much bigger than what it was what it once was.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Yeah, I don't know. I have uh very mixed feelings about it. It's generally negative though.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

Yeah, I mean, what what would it take for you to have good feelings about AI? Provide jobs, yeah, like the economy. Yeah, I mean, did you see um creativity, which I guess yeah, but anyway, it helps with pro productivity now, I guess, a little bit, arguably. But for example, I was reading like a week ago or something like that, a couple of days ago, that um Meta had like explosive growth, had like their best quarter uh Q1 2026 of all time in the company's history, or something like that. Uh maybe I'm a little off on these facts, but they had a very, very good quarter, and um following this quarter, they are going to lay off 8,000 employees, replace them with AI. Yeah. So I mean, definitely doesn't seem like it's great right now. For it's probably gonna get worse. Yeah, it probably is gonna get worse. And I have some pretty strong feelings about that, but maybe not for this episode.

SPEAKER_00 39:30

Yeah, I mean, I know what you did because I I remember that argument that you had about AI and the whole term of artificial intelligence. So yeah, just wanted to see what your full thoughts were on.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

But yeah, I mean, uh it's uh I I feel like right now we're in um quite an important time historically. As an individual, I've been trying to take my life and my actions seriously at this time because I think people in our age group don't realize how impactful our decisions are right now in the day-to-day, because you know, kids are constantly told that they're the future. Um, but when you get to our age, you're kind of in the in a middle zone where you're not told that anymore. But the fact of the matter is we are the working force of the world, our age group. We are the driving force of the of the world. The people in our age group, they are the engineers of the world, they're the doctors of the world, they're the lawyers of the world, they're the scientists of the world. It's people in our age group that are driving the world forward right now, and it is the decisions that we make that are going to be shaping our future. It's our time right now, and um yeah, I think people just need to think more about that. Yeah. Damn, I like that actually. Yeah, nice. Maybe it's because you know I'm so confident now, I can say what I want.

SPEAKER_00 40:53

There you go, there you go. Yeah. Um, well, this went a little bit longer than our usual. Um, but already again, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

Yeah, maybe we gotta lengthen these episode times. Time zooms by. Yeah, it does. Hope you guys are enjoying listening to us. We uh so for the past two episodes, we've got these new mics. Trying them out. Yeah, uh, everyone say thanks to Cohen for getting these two new mics, and uh let us know if you feel like it, how you feel about these new mics. And also, um, I just wanted to say, you know, if you uh first of all, thank you for so thank you so much for listening. We're just two guys in Canada, two friends um having fun talking and recording and documenting what we do. But uh if you feel some type of way about the stuff we're talking about, please, you know, leave a comment. We'd uh we'd love to hear what you have to say, and maybe we'll even not not maybe, we probably will talk about it if you have something to say. So yeah, that would be awesome. And and you know, I was thinking about it recently, thinking about it in my closet today, just before coming over here. Exactly what because before I had a reason for this, but I think I forgot about it, and I was thinking about exactly what I wanted out of this podcast. And it's not like it's like some big thing. For me personally, I think it would be wonderful if I could. You know, I've been going through so many changes in my life lately, and it feels so awesome and freeing and wonderful. And if I could affect someone else's life and push them to maybe take some risks that they normally wouldn't, maybe you know, try some different things out with their friends and their families, and that would be great. And if you have some experience to share, I would love to hear about that too.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

No, I agree. I agree. I I um I set up this like through art distributor, this like fan mail option. I saw that it's on all our episodes now. I don't even think that's relevant because on Spotify you can comment now. I think you can. Actually, I don't know. Whatever. But anyways, um, but no, I agree. I think um anything that the audience wants to let us know, we can we can talk about, we can try to address. But um, thank you for tuning in, and we will hopefully see you the next episode.

SPEAKER_02 43:06

Thank you very much for listening. This was catch up with Kyle and Cohen