Your son said WHAT!?

A sibling finally snaps and says the quiet part out loud: “Maybe you’re depressed because you do nothing.” That line kicks off a raw, opinionated conversation where we try to separate what’s true from what’s cruel, and what’s understandable from what’s enabling. We’re reacting to three AITA stories pulled from social media, but the real topic is bigger: mental health, family boundaries, and what responsibility looks like when someone is struggling. 

First up, we talk depression, isolation, and the way an online life can become a feedback loop where Discord, video games, and avoidance slowly replace real-world momentum. We dig into agency and accountability without pretending depression is simple, and we also call out how family systems and well-meaning parents can accidentally reinforce helplessness when every consequence gets softened. Then we shift to disability caregiving and caregiver burnout after a parent’s stroke, where the moral math gets brutal fast: you deserve a life, but your mom also deserves care, and the missing siblings change everything. 

We close with a parenting story about racism that hits like a gut punch. A 13-year-old makes a racist joke at a Chinese delivery driver, mom forces a real apology plus homework on culture and stereotypes, and dad tries to wave it away as “just a joke.” We break down why that minimization is dangerous, why consequences teach values, and why adults have to intervene when they hear racist comments, especially around kids. 

Transcript

Two Months In And Growing

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome back to Catchup with Kine Cohen. This is our now, I think 17th episode. I have no idea. No, I I think I think that's what it is. It's been two months now since we started. I think we started at the end of April. Yeah. And then yeah, now it would be the beginning of July. Two months have passed. We've we've kept up.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

We tried to at least. Actually, yeah, yeah. The schedule, we've only missed that one day. Yeah, but then we had a very very valid excuse. You were you're away. Yeah. I was I was gone for like a week and a half or something.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Yeah. And other than that, we literally made all our obligations and scheduling like twice a week. True. Yeah, we started off with once a week and then twice a week, and then we were just talking about the stats. Our our downloads and views are growing. Luckily.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Oh yeah. What was the uh what was the newest country that started listening to us, if you remember?

SPEAKER_00 1:01

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 1:02

It was something though. Maybe we'll edit it in, or next episode we'll talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

But I do know that the the country we get the most listens from is the States.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Let's go, America. Thank you. Yeah. Well it makes sense. They have like 10 times the amount of people we do.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Yeah. Yeah. But thank you for tuning in. Thank you very much for tuning in. We're going to continue on. And hopefully, I mean, episode by episode, I think we try to work on new things. Yeah. We try to give each other feedback and see what we can improve. But we're still tinkering things out, working things out as well. But this time we're doing this whole Tuesday, Thursday

Picking AITA Posts To Debate

SPEAKER_00 1:40

series. And for this one, we're continuing on with what we talked about last time, just going on social media to see any interesting topics to talk about of what people have mentioned. But yeah. So I got I got one. Yeah. I'll first give you the title. Okay. And then we can make a judgment there just from that. Yeah. And then we'll I'll read the uh the context entire post.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Just to clarify, for the most part, this is our first times reading this stuff too. Like they briefly skimmed over the story, but it sounded interesting.

SPEAKER_00 2:10

Yeah.

Telling A Depressed Brother Off

SPEAKER_00 2:11

Am I the asshole for telling my brother he chooses to be depressed all the time?

SPEAKER_02 2:16

So just judging off the title, yeah, kind of sounds like an asshole. I agree. It's hard not an asshole. Yeah, it's hard to find a situation where it's appropriate to be to berate someone, especially all the time for being depressed. But let's see what this person has to say.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Okay. So I, 20-year-old female and my brother, a 25-year-old male, don't have a great relationship. Never truly have, to be honest. I've always been aware that he's been fairly socially awkward his entire life, which has resulted him in being pretty depressed. I myself also struggle with mental health issues, and it's been something that we've been aware of for years that mental health struggles are genetic in our family. I've tried to be very sympathetic to my brother since I understood what it's like to struggle, and I really do think he needs a decent amount of help. Our parents have taken him to go to several different mental hospitals and treatment facilities over the years. We've given him a cocktail medications. Our parents offered to pay for his education, paid for three different cars for him since he likes cars, dropped everything to go to different states for him just to do things he likes, Comic Cons, like Comic Cons, because they desperately wanted him to be happy, but genuinely nothing works. During high school, he'd get into fights and arguments with everyone around him and then cry about how nobody likes him and how he can't help it. During the only four months he spent in trade school, he got into another fight and got kicked out and from then has refused to better his life at all. Our parents let him live under their roof rent free with no job for years now. All he does is hide in his room, talking to people over Discord and playing video games all day while he's screaming and throwing tantrums about how depressed and helpless he is when he's asked to leave his room or offered to leave the house. Even with me, when I visit our parents' house, he throws a massive tantrum each time about how I'm rubbing in his face that I'm better than him by simply talking about my university classes, which is talking about my friends and the clubs at college I attend. Well, a few days ago, I was at our parents' house trying to make plans for my 21st birthday and possibly taking a cruise with my mom to Mexico since we had the money for it. And it's something that my mom has always wanted to do. That's when my brother started throwing his tantrums again about me rubbing in his face that I'm better than him. And honestly, at this point, I've gotten too tired of him throwing tantrum after tantrum over my success. That I flat out told him, Well, have you ever considered the reason you're so depressed is because you do absolutely nothing with your life besides bitching about how miserable you are. This resulted in a massive argument of him telling me, telling me off for how privileged I am for being a woman, because society loves to give women whatever they want while us men have to suffer for it. And how I have life so easy compared to him, and me telling him that the reason I'm successful is because I don't cry over Discord all day, and actually took the help given to me and tried to be a better person to not be miserable all the time. So am I the asshole for telling my brother that it's his fault that he's depressed all the time?

Agency, Enabling, And The Feedback Loop

SPEAKER_02 5:23

Judging off it, just from going from the last question, asking if she's the asshole for telling her brother that's his fault that he's depressed all the time. I think it's I think it's tough, you know, confronting two people about their problems, especially one so big as depression.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

But I think in this context, this person is quite valid.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

The the the author.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

Yes, the the sister. It's quite valid. I think I think when someone is severely depressed, uh speaking as someone that has gone through their own depression, I think lots of things can work to get you out of depression. But sometimes, you know, the conventional things don't work. A lot of things a lot of things don't work, and sometimes you really do just need a kick in the ass to you know get get your get your life back together. And this might be that kick in the ass, but I don't think her brother's gonna get it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just so hard because clearly this guy is depressed. Like just judging off that behavior, being stuck in your room all day, every day, talking on Discord with your friends and playing video games, honestly, doing not much meaningful stuff with your life. Can totally see how you know you'll be very depressed. I I know a lot of people, even even myself, you know, I spent like days on Discord over over the summer, usually, just playing games and talking with friends, and life feels quite unfulfilling when you're doing that every single day.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Yeah, so it's it's kind of like a a you know, a feedback loop that just keeps feeding into yourself. You're waking up every day, not doing anything, playing video games, going on Discord, talking to friends. So, yeah, I mean you can see why you're depressed.

SPEAKER_00 6:55

You know, talking to friends isn't that good for your mental health.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

No, because like, dude, uh so you know, friendships are very valuable. I think human connection is super valuable, but I think doing it over the internet is like it's like you're you're like tricking yourself, you know, you're tricking your brain that you're like actually doing these things and having like these experiences and socializing. But I think the lack of actual like face-to-face interface, I think that that adds to to depression when you're like talking to people but not seeing them, yeah. When it's just like all online, I think that makes depression worse, to be honest. I agree with you. And and this is like so and even more like to adding him to the depression, is it's because this guy's like at home all the time and only talking to his friends like on Discord, whatever problems he has are like completely hidden, you know. No one else sees this guy's problems except for the people that that are living with him. So he so it's almost like he he himself has like a a two-tiered double kind of life, you know, the one with his friends on Discord, where he's like a normal guy, and then the real him, which is like with it in front of his family, which is like a depressed guy, but also unfortunately like kind of a piece of shit. Yeah. So I think that's like you know, his actions are like making it worse. But anyways, the point of this about whether she whether she's an asshole for telling her brother that he's depressed all the time. I don't to be honest, I don't think she is. I think it's uh obviously it looks bad, yeah. But it looks bad because this happened in like a really heated moment, you know. No, like things build up, and when you're trying to hold on to keep him inside, this is exactly what this is exactly what happens. Things build up and build up and build up to the point where you can't hold it in anymore, especially considering like this this poor girl is not really even doing anything that the guy's talking about. Like her brother is constantly accusing her of which might be true, you know, from his perspective, it might be true. We're only getting her perspective, and maybe reality is a little different from what she's presenting, but I'm gonna believe her because you know that's the whole point. But but the things she's doing, like you know, taking her going to university or being so sex successful in school or going on a trip with her mom, it's not really it's not really bragging, you know. I don't I don't I don't see how that could be like taking anything away from the from the brother's life. So I'm gonna vote not an asshole. But there's still a lot more to this. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 9:17

I agree with you. I don't think she's an asshole for her saying that it's his fault. And then to take a step back, yeah. You can't say it's all his fault, to be fair, you know, like uh depression.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

Depression isn't it's never like a it's there's never a singular cause for Yeah, such a complex monster, you know.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

Like they it's saying here that there's a family history of mental health issues. There's so there's probably some like true genetic like component of depression.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

So you can't just which is facts, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:45

Yeah, so you can't you can't blame all on that. But in the context of this though, I can feel the emotion, the rage that she's feeling. So I still don't think she's an asshole. Like I I can I can sympathize with the brother. Like I I can see that from the what she describes that he's struggled throughout his entire life, like during high school, university. It seems like he wasn't able to obtain any like the success that the sister achieved. And trying to see myself from his shoes, like that must have been so discouraging, right? Like it probably was like you're getting pushed down at every not every, but probably various opportunities or very various stages of life that you hope to do better, but unfortunately you're stuck in a really a run. So that's I can sympathize with him. But I still think people with depression, like you know, there's that big gloom over them, but there's a responsibility for them to take some accountability for themselves, to take that agency for themselves to to try it to better themselves, you know what I mean? Like she describes this guy who's just playing video games, goes on Discord, gets into fight, doesn't really do anything. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 10:59

And he's been through like multiple chances of schooling, you know. In high school, he would get into fights with whoever, and then he went to trade school, and same thing, he got into fights, fights so bad that he got kicked out.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Yeah, like medications aren't aren't working, and sure, that's fine. Like medications in mental health, they're not perfect. If anything, sometimes they do harm more than do good. So that's whatever. But you can do so many things in your life to at least try, you know what I mean? Which I don't see any any of that here. Like maybe I'm wrong because it's just just that, but I don't see him taking responsibility or accountability or agency of his own actions to better his mental health. If anything, what I see here is he's basically externalizing his helplessness, meaning that he's blaming the context and the situation. Like he literally says here, oh, like what is it like being privileged for how her sister is as a woman, because society loves good woman. You know what I mean? Like he's not taking that that internal control, being like, you know what, the outcomes are dependent on my on my motivation, on my like effort, but blaming the external, like setting around him.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

Yeah, exactly. This okay, so this person, this guy, he he is clearly depressed, and I think he clearly has not gotten the specific kind of help that he needs. And I I got two thoughts. First of all, you could take the sister completely out of the equation, and this guy would still be depressed, you know. Like does the sister in you know, he says like his sister's like privileged, had all these uh successes, and even you mentioned like his sister had success in school that he didn't, and he must have felt some type of way about that. I think you could completely remove the sister from the situation, like he uh pretend he never had a sister, and he would still find something else external to blame all this shit on.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

Yeah. And you know, I mean, like it does say that he's been fairly socially awkward his entire life, to me, which that raises oh, maybe he's like neurodivergent, maybe like he's on the spectrum or something.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

Well, yeah, I mean, like, especially when you take into account things like he's had I'm assuming these are physical fights if he's like getting kicked out of school and stuff. It's gotta be something quite intense.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Yeah. So I mean, like I I I can see the struggles he's going through, but and like I guess you can say, oh, maybe she was too harsh to say like this was all his fault, which is not, I'm not saying it like it's all his fault, but some of it he could try to take agency for himself, you know what I mean? Yeah. So that being said, I don't think the person the post cheese an asshole for this.

SPEAKER_02 13:33

Yeah. Another thing I want to bring up is so for someone like this who I'm guessing has been dealing with depression his entire life, or at least since like, you know, teenage his teenage years, whenever puberty starts, I think that's usually when these kinds of problems start to surface. I think one one massive issue with depression that I don't know if it gets talked about so much is when you start dealing with depression at such an early age, I think it stifles your growth so hard. Or it stunts your growth so hard. For example, this this man is 25 years old, but you know, just from reading this post, you can tell a lot of his tendencies and mannerisms and you know, maybe even personality is is quite juvenile. Yeah, you know, he hasn't grown up out of phases such as like staying at home all day, you know, being okay with not getting anything done, playing video games, getting like lashing out. Yeah, that's that's really stuff that like kids and teenagers and stuff do, you know?

SPEAKER_00 14:28

No, and I agree. And and like I have to say, the parents were probably like are also at fault on the picture. I'm not like it's unfortunate because no parents wants to see their child be like so depressed. But of course, when you give in to them, like letting him live under the roof, like buying him cars, like yeah, three cars. That's insane. Like, brother, come on, like you can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

Yeah, clearly, this is like the whole the entire family is living in quite a privileged situation.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

So now that makes the brother feel like, oh, I am I'm just this sick guy. Like I can't get better. Yeah, everyone's catering to me and supporting me. This is just me. Yeah. That's just gonna that's just making it worse.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

Yeah, it feeds into it even more. I have all these things, but I'm not happy. I'll never be happy, you know, shit like that. And then he starts believing it and thinks he can't do anything. Yeah, literally. I have all these people doing all these things for me, I'm still not happy. What the hell can I do to get happy? Yeah, which is um which which, you know, to make it clear, it it is it it is just not not to like minimize depression, but a lot of it is in his head, you know, this belief that it's specifically the belief of being incapable.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

No, this is not minimizing depression, but rather showing that depression is so complex, it's not just about medications, but so much more, and there's room and places for like intervening to get better for it. Would you feel comfortable calling the brother an asshole? For what you said, yeah, like the last part. Like, like what do you mean? Like you're a girl and you don't Oh, yeah, I already talked about that.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Saying shit like sexist, right? Bro, saying shit like listen, I think anyone that doesn't believe this, they're they're fucking off the rocker. We do live in a man's world, a hundred percent. At least I believe so. We live in a man's world, a world curated for men, by men, and as men, we have so many advantages that women don't have. Sure, you could nitpick, there are a couple advantages that women have over women, but that is so pointless, you know. At the at the end of the day, as men, we are so much more privileged, privileged, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

Just just like like literally, like biologically, literally, men are more privileged than women.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Yeah, not even just biologically, socially, just in so many ways, men are privileged. And for this guy to be say saying that his sister has more privileges than him is pretty off base, pretty unrealistic, out of touch with reality. And you know, it by it it or reinforces my idea that this guy, unfortunately, due to his depression, has had a stunted growth, a stifled growth. And that's why he thinks like this. And hopefully he gets the help that he needs. And hopefully, this, you know, I don't know if it is, but hopefully this conversation or this moment in life between him and his sister is some kind of a push.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

Yeah,

Comment Section Checks The Take

SPEAKER_00 17:08

yeah. Okay. Are you gonna see the comments? Yeah, let's do it. The most popular one. He doesn't sound depressed, he sounds spoiled. Sorry, but as someone who has suffered depression personally, as well as a significant other with chronic depression, depression doesn't give you a free pass to be an asshole, which I agree. Like, you can be depressed, but that doesn't mean you can be an asshole. You know what I mean? Yeah, like I it's a very this is yeah, like, no, yeah, nothing, yeah, nothing else to be said. I I agree.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

I have a problem with the first thing this person said where he said where this commenter says he doesn't sound depressed, he sounds spoiled. I don't think that's fair.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

I don't think that's really fair. I don't even even if you're someone that has suffered depression, I think like most people have at some point suffered through depression throughout their life, and everyone's situation is so unique and different. And it's not fair to say, like, oh, I've gone through depression, it wasn't like this, so this person can't be depressed.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

Next comment that's more that's the most popular. Not the asshole, your brother's high on that manosphere sauce approaching an seldom. I mean, like a little bit true, but also like a little bit mean, but like you know, like uh he probably said that out of like a spur of like very intense emotions. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Well, and this this comment is also like not really helpful. Yeah, like this person's kind of being an asshole by saying your brother's high on that manosphere, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Yeah, there's one other comment that your only bad take, in my opinion, is definitely this guy's attitude as depression. He has possibly a future insult that will like once again. I don't want to downplay that he's not depressed because you know, like people who have these like views about women or just in general, like kind of that deviates from the cultural norm. You want to ask, like, why would why why do they have these like beliefs? Yeah, where does it stem from? And it could vary well from like depression, or it could be like on like vice versa or bi-directional. So I still don't want to downplay that he's not depressed, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 19:01

Yeah, like yeah, even like if it's not depression, it's always something to learn, you know. It's always a situation of your of your nurturing.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

Yeah. And honestly, literally every single comment I see here, she is not the asshole.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

Actually, there's one. So there's one that says, Everyone sucks here. Look, people can't people can't choose not to be depressed or have mental health issues. I do think there's something about a positive outlook and being resilient that some people don't have, but mental health is super complicated. But he was for sure being an asshole first. Enjoy your trip.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, you know, yeah, like he's being an asshole. Mental health is super complicated. Some people actually do have a difficult time getting that positive output. I have positive outlook. But yeah, once again, I think like they need they need to be at least someone accepting of help, you know what I mean? Like the change needs to come from within. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

That's incredibly hard. I you know, a lot of the unfortunately, I think a lot of the bear the blame probably goes on the parents here. I think uh in instead of, you know, but I don't I don't I don't want to like blame them at all. Me neither. It's hard to blame. It's so hard to do it.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

Like imagine, yeah, once again, being a parent, your kids suffering.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

Yeah, you're you're 100% right. Obviously, no parent ever wants their child to suffer. At least no good parent. And it seems like these parents are are trying their best, they're trying to be good parents, at least from the little that we see, you know, they're trying to be interested in his his interests and taking him to Comic-Con or whatever, at least um indulging him with those cars, which you know, arguably probably not the best thing that they could be doing. And maybe that maybe that's a bit of a hint into you know, maybe they have like a general kind of opinion of a view that they can solve or at least like throughout their lives, they thought they could solve their son's problems with like money. Maybe they didn't take it seriously enough by buying uh thinking they could like buy him all these cars and you know that would solve the issue. So unfortunately, I'm gonna say a little bit of the pr blame probably does go on the parents. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

But yeah, she's not the asshole. I don't think she's the asshole.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

You know, tempers flare up. Unfortunately, you can only deal with so much. This person themselves said that they had been uh they have had dealt with mental issues in the past, and you know, things like this are hard. It's it's a struggle, and you can only take so much until eventually you burst. Probably a good idea to apologize, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

But I hope the the brother gets the help he needs, and really he needs to take that agency, that motivation for him to change.

Refusing To Help A Disabled Mom

SPEAKER_02 21:31

All right. So for the next one, we've got Am I the Asshole for starting to refuse to help my disabled mother? Yeah, hell yeah. Sound like an asshole. I mean, there's gotta be a lot of a lot of shit your disabled mother is doing for you to for you to not appear to be an asshole for refusing help. Yeah. But, anyways, this person says, Am I the asshole for starting to refuse to help my disabled mother? My mom is entering her mid fifties in a year or two. In her mid forties, she had a stroke that. That left her half paralyzed with some movement regained. I'm her youngest out of seven kids. Once I finish college and get my license, I like many will move out. I keep telling my mom I'm not going to be here to help her forever. I've started refusing to help her do tasks I believe she can do on her own if she tries, as well as to make her understand she'll need to either move or change stuff on the house property or hire someone to help. I'm still helping, but I'm not doing everything anymore. Obviously, I don't expect her to lift anything heavy or take the hundred-pound dog outside and put on a lead, but she's making it seem like I'm evil for making her learn to adapt and I won't be here forever. Am I the asshole? I think she needs to learn how to be more independent again.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

I mean Oh, I don't know, because like you got a stroke. This is tough. Like so not a lot of the times you're functioning, you don't actually most of the times you don't go back to where you function after a stroke.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Really?

SPEAKER_00 23:04

You can't expect a person to just gain their independence. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like I like like dude, where are the other kids? Like I I gotta sympathize, but caregiver burnout is a serious thing. You know what I mean? Like people who like their parents or their siblings or close members who suffered a stroke, not even just stroke, like serious injury.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

Any kind of you know debilitating injury.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

Yeah, yeah. It's really hard. Like it's your entire life is invested in them, right? So I I I can sympathize with the caregiver burnout, but maybe the person's a bit too young to mention how older? No, but this is the sense I get, but because to have an expectation for your mom to full to have that independence again from a stroke, I that's unrealistic to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Yeah, it is unrealistic.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Like it can happen, but it's very unrealistic.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

Yeah. So yeah. Man, I sure would love more context here because so I'm assuming the dad is not in the picture because he's not mentioned anywhere. And so there are seven kids. If this lady is in her mid-50s, the oldest, like the oldest that the oldest can be is probably like 30 or something.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Yeah. Um what I what I think why's so funny is that it says, I've just stopped, started refusing to help her do tasks. Damn. I believe she can do her own if she tries. He's an asshole for that, or whoever who he or she, because not you shouldn't refuse, but you should approach it in a graded manner where you are slowly helping build that independence rather than just stopping it altogether.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

Yeah, like you know, I'm just thinking, like, what if this is something something like, for example, going to the washroom and needing to clean up after yourself? Exactly. Yeah, that's oh, you can do it yourself. Yeah, that's kind of intense. I mean, yeah. But but you're right, this does this sure does make this person seem younger. But you know, it it at least from the wording of this post, it seems like the other siblings are not around and it's just the original poster that's here to take care of the mom. Yeah, you know, in the broader situation, it's hard to put the entire blame on this person. I mean, you are an asshole for you know, like what you said, like refusing to help in things that this person believes that their mom can do on their own. I don't think that's really fair.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

And then like it says here in her mid-40s, she had that stroke. It's been 10 years. And 10 years, still she's not fully independent. What do you think it's not gonna get better? It's not gonna get better, you know what I mean? Like, like it's unfortunate. And and take it from like you know, I can't comment on the mom, right? Like, but in my mind, why would your mom want keep you here? Like, be like, wouldn't your mom want to, of course, want you to flourish if you could? But obviously, she's disabled, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 26:03

Yeah, but like once again, I can't comment on her mom's character, but like dude, out of principle alone, refusing to help a disabled person, I think you're automatically an asshole. Yeah, and then like it's and then the added context is your mom and she's she's half paralyzed after a stroke, like it's a very shitty situation.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Like, I get it, and the burnout, I get it as well. And and once again, the context is limited, but just from this, I'll say he's an asshole. But I think what I would like to know is that you know, he has he has six other siblings. Yes, like talk to the siblings. He didn't mention that any of that here. Yeah, he's the youngest, or they're the youngest. So what's like what's there? Like, obviously, the oldest would have more responsibility, I would assume, unless they're not in their in their lives.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

So yeah, there there has to be so much more going on. Like you said, this person's the youngest. Like the older siblings should definitely be doing something, but and maybe they are, you know, maybe they are doing something, and this like youngster is kind of like leaving all that information out.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Yeah, I guess if it's like the siblings are just pushing it all on them, yeah, then like you know, they're not the asshole. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, then that's that's a severe burden on on the author. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

Still, I think you're I I think still for that specific thing of refusing to do tasks that they believe that the mom can do on your own, I think you you have to take some responsibility there. You are kind of an asshole. Like, even if I'm like on the that's like, you know, I'm on the I'm walking on the road and someone with a walker is having trouble crossing the street, they ask me to help them cross the street and I say no. Like obviously I'm an asshole there, you know. Like, regardless of any other context, that kind of just makes me an asshole. So it's you know, in that sense, I think this person is slightly an asshole for that specific situation. But in the broader context, if your siblings, your older siblings are not doing anything to contribute to the situation positively, then they are major assholes. And unfortunately, you've been dealt such a shitty hand.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

Yeah, and and and like once again, if you try to look at from the mom's perspective, imagine how scared she must be. Yeah. Like to lose that functioning and to become dependent on someone. Like, no one wants to become dependent on someone you're on again.

SPEAKER_02 28:11

Yeah, dude, she's half paralyzed. She can she can move half her body. I don't even know like what half, like what exactly that means. It might not even be half, it might be like being able to move one arm, you know? And for a kid, that's like, oh, good enough for half, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

From this context alone, like I know it's very limited. I would think that this this person's an asshole.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

If you were in the situation, what would you do?

SPEAKER_00 28:33

And if I'm in the situation and I'm in the setting that I'm really burnt out, I'd first have a conversation with my mom that I'm burnt out, and then I'd try to have a conversation with my siblings to try to work something out. Like, do I need to get healthcare aids to help out my mom? Yeah. Do I need to hire someone along with my siblings to help them out? Can I start it off that, oh, maybe I'll help out in these specific times, and they can kind of alternate, or I can like take an approach where, oh, you know, I'll slowly help with this, and then let's see if they can do it with like slowly without my help. Which I think that's unrealistic, but I because I would assume like physiotherapy and occupational therapy would have worked all that with the mom, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 29:17

I'm guessing, well, I don't know, man. Maybe that maybe it's something that was like unaffordable, they never really loved. But a family of seven kids, come on, you can it's a big family.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

Yeah, you guys gotta be able to it's your it's your fucking mom. But to be honest though, like if I was in that situation, I would not move out though. Me neither. Yeah, but I mean it's like but then it's hard to say. But but I guess like their ethnicity or like racism mentioned here. Like I'm Asian, so we have a more of a our values, our family values are more different. But you know, in Asian culture, there's the this like view of taking care of your families is a lot more reinforced than like than Caucasians, I would say. Yeah. So maybe I'm biased that way.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

I'm in the same boat as you, where like I like I could never do this to one of my parents.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

But it's also hard to judge that person based on our like worldview because who knows? Maybe this mom was like not. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

Like it was uh maybe the mom was a fucking like asshole who traumatized the kid. Yeah, completely it could be different. Yeah, so that's why Samuel's like just based on this information, I want to say that the the the author is is the asshole.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

So this person does mention once I finish college and get my license, I like many will move out. So I'm guessing that they're in college right now.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

And sounds like everyone else in the house has moved out.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Ready for the comments? Yeah,

Siblings, Burnout, And Real Support

SPEAKER_00 30:44

let's do it. Okay. First one, not the asshole. However, talk to your siblings. Your mother clearly needs support, but it appears that you are the one carrying the most burden because presumably presumably you love you live at home. You and your siblings need to make an equitable plan. The comments they replied, My siblings don't live here anymore, so they don't see how she acts. We all agree she can't depend on me forever, but nobody actually tries to make her more independent but me. My mother doesn't even try. That's why I'm doing what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Okay, this is this is so complicated. For example, or not for example, but two things that stand out to me are so the siblings have all left the house, and it seems like they all like once someone left the house, they basically absolved themselves of responsibility in the situation and decided my younger siblings will take care of it. And I feel like that's been constantly going on over and over and over, and we're at the last sibling now, and none of the other siblings seem to really give a shit. They kept pushing it off to the other sibling, basically kicking the can down the road. And another thing I have a problem with is the original commenter, original poster saying my mother doesn't even try to be more independent, and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing. I I got some problems with that. You know, it's so difficult. Like you're telling a paralyzed person to try harder, man. I don't know. That seems kind of fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I see here all the all the posters saying, not the asshole.

SPEAKER_02 32:20

Yeah, like this this guy saying, not the asshole. Your mother has to help herself. I have a sister who had a stroke in her 50s, so I know it is difficult. Your mother has seven kids that should all help her. True. You cannot be expected to put your life on hold and live with her the rest of her life, all while your siblings live their life as though they have no responsibility towards their mother. Also true. Part of the process should involve determining how disabled your mother actually is. The fact she refuses to do to do the exercises properly in order to gain some independence is telling. There are government programs that will help as well. I mean, it sounds like the mom could be like pretty severely depressed too. I mean, could you imagine going through a stroke having like, you know, a normal life in your 40s, all of a sudden you have a stroke and now half your body can't move. That's that itself is debilitating, you know? Just having to deal with the reality of that.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

I mean, like, I get it. Like they're saying, oh, you deserve your own life, just help her get set up for pain you leave. But I mean I feel like that's bad advice. Yeah, like I mean, like, they should definitely arrange something, but like you can't just stop doing tasks for like refuse to do tasks for your mom.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Dude, this is why in like in like you remember, you remember click the movie?

SPEAKER_00 33:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

And it gets to the end of the movie, and Adam Sandler is like crying because his dad's gone now. You know, he didn't have that, he he didn't get to have that time with his dad that he didn't realize that he wanted until it until it was too late. I feel like this is why so many people have that moment when they get when they become old themselves. They think about you know the the time that they had with their parents when they were younger, and they didn't use that time effectively. They weren't as good people as they could have been. And I I can see why, you know. Like this, I I I feel like this is exactly what leads to that. And it's your mom, man. Like, as long as you were you know, it's fair if she's she was like a terrible person, yeah, treated you horribly. And this goes for all the all the siblings. I don't mean like just the commenter, more so on the other siblings. Like, what the hell are you guys doing? Contribute a little bit, you know, like help help your younger brother slash sister out. If anything, I'd say they're more the assistant.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

Yes, they're a 100% to not live in the area and they they put this on the youngest. That's actually that's kind of fucked you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

Dude, I mean like seven siblings and they can't all afford to chip in together to pay for a caregiver. I don't know. That yeah, that that doesn't sit right with me. Seven I feel like seven siblings should be able to afford that for their mother.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

What is ESH again?

SPEAKER_02 34:43

Everyone sucks here.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

Okay, so I think my conclusion is that he's a my he's a mild asshole for just starting to refuse to help her. But it's a shitty situation. But I think biggest bigger assholes are her are their siblings. Totally, yeah. That's my that's my take.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

Yeah, this person's lashing out at a disabled family member, which by default makes you an asshole. But with the broader context of the siblings being completely absent, it's it's the siblings who are at fault. This this poor person is just uh has all of the burden of the family on their shoulders.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

Yeah, and once again, like like I like I said before, caregiver burnout is real. But then maybe they're too young to know what other help they could reach out. But I think would have been would have been more appropriate is to let like to find help, you know, yeah. Reach out to siblings, reach out to anyone else to see what they could do and get help for themselves because it sounds like they're struggling from this.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Yeah, I mean, what a what a massive burden, you know, like not just physically but mentally, having to deal with your mother suddenly becoming disabled, but then you know, now you've got to invest all this time and energy to take care of them, which you know, I think you should, but it undeniably it is quite taxing.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

Yeah. So I'd say like mild asshole because I can I'm trying to sympathize a lot with them and I can see it as well because I it seems like they're still a kid, as in like very early adult or late adolescence type of age. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

Probably probably around college age though.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

Yeah, because I'm assuming like 18 to like 20. You know what I mean? So in that age, like I was definitely way more immature. So gotta give credit for where it's due and the fact that they've been trying to help out this far. Like definitely, definitely, definitely recognize that.

SPEAKER_02 36:29

But yeah, I mean, just imagine. So they've been dealing with this for like 10 years now, because the stroke happened mid-40s and now the mom is mid-50s.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

So and when this is like a daily struggle for you, it becomes such a huge part of your life that like you're constantly thinking about it, you know. And if you have a problem with it, the problem just gets bigger and bigger and bigger. So I can't imagine how long this person's been um so frustrated about this.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

Yeah. Okay. So conclusion, mild asshole.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Mild asshole, the siblings are terrible. Yeah. I feel bad for the mom, pretty bad for the mom.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

But I don't necessarily blame the poster. Yeah, I don't really blame the poster either. Because it's a shitty situation.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

But but you, you know, like you should still help your mom. Don't refuse, don't refuse to like do tasks. Just like, you know, suck it up a little bit for now, but like it start figuring out some things so you don't have to keep doing this.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

Yeah. Okay, so last one for the episode. Are you ready?

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Yeah, this one's a doozy.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

Okay.

A Racist Joke At The Door

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Am I the asshole for punishing my son after he said something racist?

SPEAKER_02 37:30

You're never an asshole, asshole for punishing anyone after they said something racist. If someone says something racist on the streets, I think you should punish them. You'll I don't think you'll be ever considered an asshole for that behavior.

SPEAKER_00 37:43

Okay. I mean, I agree. I agree. Yeah. Let's see. So this is a story. About a week ago, my the the author is a 39-year-old female. Family ordered Chinese food for delivery. When the delivery driver came to the door, my daughter, 16-year-old female, was taking the cat upstairs to put in her room because he always tries to eat the food. My son, 13-year-old, loudly says, make sure to hide the cat from the Chinese guy, as I am at the door getting the food from the Chinese delivery driver. He very obviously heard what my son said and was upset by it. I quickly apologized and took the food. I told my son that racist jokes were completely unacceptable and very wrong, and he refused to admit that he was in the wrong. So later that night, I forced my son to write a sincere apology to the delivery driver. His name was on the receipt, as well as a write a one-page paper on Chinese culture and a one-page paper on why racism is perpetuated by racist jokes and stereotypes. Wow. Then the next day, I took him to the restaurant and had him read his apology aloud to the delivery driver, as well as give him the papers he wrote. The driver is very appreciative of the apology and thanked me for making my son do it. He then told my son about multiple instances where he had faced racist comments and attacks from people while he was a delivery driver. That night, my husband, 43-year-old, and I got into an argument about me making our son do this. He told me that it was embarrassing for her son to have to do an apology and that the punishment didn't fit the crime. I told him that it was much more embarrassing for the driver to have to face that kind of racism and racist stereotypes, and that her son would get over the embarrassment. I do not condone any kind of hateful thinking in my house. In fact, that my son said that embarrassed me as well. My husband told me that it was just a joke and that it wasn't that big of a deal. I feel like I might have overreacted some, but I think it's important to help my son understand how what he said was wrong and hurtful. What do you think? No, not the asshole as like anything. It's it's amazing parent.

SPEAKER_02 39:55

Dude, not the asshole at all. And even more so, what an amazing woman. I would fall for this lady, you know, making her son her son does something so terrible, and she does something so amazing as forcing him to write down not only a sincere apology, but a one-page report on Chinese culture, taking him to the restaurant and having him read all that shit out loud in public. That is amazing parenting. That is beautiful. W mom. I agree.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

I mean, on the other hand, the husband.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

God damn, what a loser. What's with all these amazing women marrying these fucking idiots, man? This guy, I feel like a lot of people do this. A lot of racist people do this where they'll minimize their racist people do through that, yeah. Yeah, well, where they'll minimize their racism, play it off as a joke when it's like, hey man, whoever you're being racist to isn't fucking laughing about this, okay? It's just you laughing because you're racist. And your kid said this, it was racist, and you're okay with it, and that makes you racist. And uh, you know, it's it's so dangerous because that's exactly what perpetuates this kind of yeah, behavior in the sun.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

Because saying that, oh, it's just a joke.

SPEAKER_02 41:06

Yeah, it's just a joke. Dad does it. Never do it again. Yeah, dad says it all the time, you know. Dad fucking smokes cigarettes. Why can't I smoke cigarettes? Dad drinks alcohol, it's it's cool. I'm gonna drink alcohol. Yeah, dad makes racist jokes, I'm gonna make racist jokes. Sounds like a fucking idiot dad, man.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

Yeah, learn behavior, man. You gotta you ought to teach him young so that it doesn't it doesn't perpetuate, like it said in the in the post, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 41:28

Yeah, exactly. And um what a what a horrible experience for that poor delivery driver. You know, he's just he's just making trying to make money. Yeah. Yeah. And he he comes home, he c he makes a delivery, and some fucking 13-year-old piece of shit makes a racist Chinese joke. And that that is that is so crushing. And obviously, he's not gonna reveal how crushing it is in that moment. He's not gonna start breaking down and like start feeling all sad for himself in front of like the person he's making a delivery to. But that shit hurts so much, man. Like that that poor guy, nothing hurts. Uh strangely enough, I feel like getting made fun of by kids hurts more than getting made fun of by adults. Really? I think so because at least for me, because like I see I see kids as like pure, you know, they're just like pure even teenagers. I mean, fuck them kids, right? Yeah, I mean I can't. Yeah, true. You know, uh yeah, I would say even teenagers, like when if if like some adult says some stupid shit to me, I can I can uh get over it super fast because I'm just like you're a fucking idiot. You you never grew up, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But then if a kid says some crazy shit, I'm like, damn, that's crazy, you know. But yeah, the the husband talking about it like it's just a joke, that is that's so pathetic.

SPEAKER_00 42:47

No, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

That's so pathetic and it's so yeah, it's so damaging. But the mom, like what what an amazing thing to do by her to go not only to re-educate her son, explaining why exactly what he did was wrong, but to push it so far as to you know, kind of traumatize him a little bit, which I think is like kind of valid in this situation.

SPEAKER_00 43:13

To traumatize the kid?

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Yeah, by having him go in public into the restaurant and read his apology or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 43:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

I'm I I can see that as being like a little traumatizing, but like you know, still could, yeah. You know, I feel like it's it's a very valuable lesson.

SPEAKER_00 43:27

And well, do you think there could have been another way to approach it better, more fruitful?

SPEAKER_02 43:33

Right now, no. I think this was the best way that the best thing that she could have done, and I think this was the the best outcome.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

I think she did uh she the mom did an amazing job.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

Yeah, I mean, like, it's not that I mean, yeah, I guess uh from a kid's perspective, it could be embarrassing, but like Yeah, like it's embarrassing, but it's like it's not in front of everyone, though, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 43:51

Yeah, it's not in front of your peers. It's just a restaurant of people that the kid has no idea about, probably a bunch of adults, yeah. You know, no kids around.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

So I bet this kid would grow up and be like. Like, wow, I'm glad my mom made me exactly 100%.

SPEAKER_02 44:02

I was just thinking, you know, I wasn't the greatest kid. I I have made like stupid jokes in the past. And if like something like this would have happened, I would have I would have learned way sooner. You know, I would have been set on the right course way sooner. And I think that goes for so many kids. You know, kids, kids do stupid shit because they learn stupid shit from stupid adults, and then they grow up to be stupid adults unless it gets fixed like this.

SPEAKER_00 44:25

Yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

I think this mom did a great thing. I think hopefully it got to the kid.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:31

I'd be surprised if it didn't, you know.

SPEAKER_00 44:33

Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's a lot. Like I wish I wish I got this type of scolding.

SPEAKER_02 44:38

Yeah, yeah. Like if I did something like terrible, I wish I got an adult told me off like this. Um I feel like it's it's probably one of the best things for the the child's enrichment.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 44:53

Yeah. Should we go on to the comments?

SPEAKER_00 44:55

Yeah.

Punishment, Embarrassment, And Learned Racism

SPEAKER_00 44:56

Top one. Not the asshole. Sounds like your husband could use a lesson too.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

Totally, man.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

Yeah. Like my first thought after hearing the dad's reaction, guess why the son think it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

Yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about. And you know, we've we've so we've read a couple of these MI the asshole posts up until now, um, you know, scouring through stuff and trying to find, you know, what would be good to talk about? And I've noticed that in so many of these posts, husbands are fucking idiots, man. Like these these middle-aged dudes always have like the the worst takes, constantly enabling their shitty kids to do shitty things.

SPEAKER_00 45:29

Mm-hmm. And then not the asshole, your husband's attitude is precisely the problem and is why systemic racism continues to propagate in this country. Kuro to you for a very just and well thought-out lesson for your son, which I hope you can truly learn from and perhaps help some some of the some some of the issues that are breaking our society apart. Perhaps your husband needs to do some similar homework in regards to what racism is and how it harms not simply the people it is directed at, but all people as a whole. Honestly, I am so proud of you.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

Facts.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

Facts. I think I agree. I'm trying to see if there's anyone that argues against it, but yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 46:08

I would be so surprised. Yeah if anyone did. I mean, they would just be blatantly outing themselves as a racist.

SPEAKER_00 46:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

One says, now Okay, there's one right below.

SPEAKER_00 46:17

Can I go a little against the grain here and say what's any not an asshole? Not an asshole. I think you and your husband believe differently about the severity of a 13-year-old making an appropriate joke. From other comments, you made it sound like he doesn't have a problem with the research paper or the written apology above me with forcing to read it to the delivery driver in front of other people. Public speaking is often quoted as being feared more than death, so I can understand why he might think that was just one step too far. I think his opinion as your son's father's father has your opinion as his mother. I personally think it's great what you did and implied you, but not the asshole implies your husband is, and I just think there's enough, there isn't enough evidence for that.

SPEAKER_02 46:52

I disagree completely. I think there is more than enough evidence to to label the husband as an asshole. Yeah. I think I think that reaction to that situation is unacceptable.

SPEAKER_00 47:02

Yeah, and and I think it's not fair just to label this as an inappropriate joke.

SPEAKER_02 47:08

Like I don't know, like just minimizing it, you know. It is not an inappropriate joke, it is a racist joke.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

Yeah. And it's like it's like it could be so hurtful. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 47:19

It it is so hurt. It's not that it can be, it is. It it markedly is, it a hundred percent is. There's not a single person on the planet that isn't hurt by racism. Yeah, you know, and to think that and for someone else to uh to think that it's like harmless, it's it's not hurtful, it's just naive, it's stupid, and it's racist.

SPEAKER_00 47:37

Well, there's one, there's one. You're the asshole. A simple apology would have been enough. Your son is 13, it's wanting to tell your son not to make jokes like that. It's way over the top to force him to read out a public apology as if he's being forced publicly to confess like a political prisoner in a totalitarian state. Ironically, communist China makes people do this. So, in that respect, I suppose you're teaching about Chinese culture. And honestly, if a child makes him a joke about my culture, it'll be extremely cringy, and I would be embarrassed when the public can read out something like that to be just an I'm sorry would be enough.

SPEAKER_02 48:06

This guy almost sounds racist too.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

So this is crazy. Yeah, it is crazy. Holy fuck, man. What the hell? I mean, like 13, like sure, you don't you might not know better. Like, I I that I get, you know what I mean? You're like you're in grade seven. Yeah, I was dumb as fucking grade seven. Me too. But still, I knew when racism was my my grade seven, you know what I mean? And that's why during your formative years, to teach this is so critical in later in your life. And I think the what the mom did is still super appropriate.

SPEAKER_02 48:38

I think so too. And I think the the way that this commenter explains the situation, I think it was very representative of a 13-year-old's understanding of the situation where it's like, oh, it's not that big of a deal. I didn't actually hurt anyone, I just made a little joke, you know. And since I made a little joke, I'm okay with saying sorry. I don't think it was that embarrassing, so I shouldn't be that embarrassed. When in reality, it that's not the case at all. This was a this was a terribly inappropriate thing that leads to more terribly inappropriate things. If you don't get punished for these shitty things that you say and do, it it emboldens you. It teaches you that it's okay to do this, that you're not that there are not going to be repercussions for this. And you know what? It's incredibly dangerous because the more emboldened you feel about this, if this kid grows up thinking that racist jokes like these are okay, he's gonna keep thinking it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, until he meets someone that doesn't think it's okay. Yeah, and that can get really fucking bad for this kid.

SPEAKER_00 49:33

Yeah, and there's one one comment said most Asians I know would laugh. Okay, this guy can go fucking. Come on, like that's the problem. Like, they shouldn't laugh.

SPEAKER_02 49:40

Yeah, and also this person is saying most Asians I know would laugh. Well, fuck you, man. Everyone doesn't know most Asians you know. Who knows what the fuck kind of Asians you know?

SPEAKER_00 49:49

Yeah. And yeah, the the less popular ones are like, oh, you overreacted and humiliated your son, being like, oh, it was appreciative of the apology, but you ambushed him at work. What do you expect?

SPEAKER_02 50:01

What? You're the asshole for involving the delivery driver in your son's punishment. You say he was appreciative of the apology, but you ambushed him at work. What do you expect? He couldn't very well tell you to fuck off now, could he? It's bad enough you had to put up with your son's shit the other night, but this poor guy is just trying to do his job and you show up at his place of employment and put him on the spot. Create a scene. Also, you can teach your son a lesson. Guess guess what? It's not his responsibility to teach your kid not to be a racist prick. It's yours, and you're not doing so hard. I mean, that that's a funny comment. I was kind of fair, sure. But I mean, I don't think the person was like pissed off that some kid came to apologize to him. I think most people would be like appreciative of it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 50:43

Yeah. Yeah, I still stand by the mom is not the asshole.

SPEAKER_02 50:48

Yeah, I think uh I think the mom did

When Adults Should Intervene

SPEAKER_02 50:50

a great thing. And if if you're listening to this and you're in a similar situation where you see racism happen happen in front of you, play out in front of you.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

I think especially as a as an adult, you should intervene. Especially if it's your friends. You know what I mean? Because like it's kids, like like I get it, it will be hard to point it out because you know, you don't want to be you don't want to be the one to be bullied. You don't want to get picked on for pointing stuff out that all your other friends are doing. So it's definitely hard in the kids like teen setting. But yeah, as a parent, as an adult, if you see the age, you should definitely point it out and be like, no, that's wrong. I need to teach you about what should be done, you know, 100%. Well, that was an easy one.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

You think so?

SPEAKER_00 51:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:30

Yeah, I think so too.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

But that's all the time we have for today.

Feedback Request And Goodbye

SPEAKER_01 51:33

Really? That was fast.

SPEAKER_00 51:34

Yeah. I think there's a lot of good discourse over those over those three posts that we went over.

SPEAKER_02 51:39

Yeah, let us know if you guys are liking this kind of stuff. I feel like we do like a preamble postamble a lot where we're saying, like, oh, we're changing the fucking the format, and here it is. But anyways, if you guys do like this, please let us know. Get in touch somehow. Yeah, we'd love to hear your feedback on what you like. And if you like something else, something similar to this, or maybe something completely different from this, let us know about that too. Or any topics you guys want us to talk about. We would love to talk about anything, anything and everything, especially if it interests you. But thank you very much for tuning into this episode. This was part of our mini-series, I believe. And we'll maybe do another one, maybe not, maybe we'll jump onto something else.

SPEAKER_00 52:19

But that was it for yeah, we'll see how it goes.

SPEAKER_02 52:21

Yeah, maybe maybe something similar, or maybe we keep doing the same thing. But yeah, that was it for this week's episode of Catch Up with Kyle and Cohen. Thank you guys very, very much for tuning in, and we will catch you guys in the next one. Bye bye.

unknown 52:36

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