KIC Back Podcast Episode 7 | Toxic Things Our Community Normalizes

The KIC Back crew returns for one of their most honest and relatable conversations yet.

In this episode, Richie, Tamesh, Bryan, and Brandon discuss some of the toxic habits, mindsets, and cultural norms that many Indo Caribbean and Caribbean families have normalized for generations.

From mental health being dismissed, pressure to get married, community gossip, alcohol culture, family expectations, and learning how to build confidence despite criticism, the team shares personal stories, laughs, and real perspectives on what it means to grow up between cultures.

This episode is funny, thought provoking, relatable, and packed with conversations many people have experienced but rarely talk about openly.

In This Episode:

• Mental health in Caribbean households
• "You have food on the table, what are you depressed about?"
• Community gossip and judgment
• Marriage pressure and family expectations
• Growing up first generation Indo Caribbean
• Alcohol culture and normalization
• Toxic comments from relatives
• Building confidence and self worth
• Why some people want you to succeed, just not more than them
• Navigating modern life while respecting culture

Whether you grew up Guyanese, Trinidadian, Indo Caribbean, West Indian, or simply in a family where everyone had an opinion about your life, this episode will feel familiar.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Every single song is about drinking rum. Like why do we fantasize drinking so much? Why do you like love drinking rum?

SPEAKER_06 0:07

What is the fact that the I don't even have to do that? You have a roof over your head.

SPEAKER_02 0:17

You may have some melancholy. What? Brennan, can you spell that for me? M-E-L-T. Guys, welcome back to episode six of the kickback podcast.

SPEAKER_06 0:39

First and foremost, before you start, happy nurses and happy teachers week. Wow. Shout out to us who made the world a better place.

SPEAKER_02 0:47

Happy Teachers Week, Brandon. Brian, so what do they do for you at school this week for Teachers'? Wow.

SPEAKER_06 0:54

They treated us to like a taco bowl on Cinco de Mayo. Wait, what will they give you? Like some like taco bowls. Oh, nice. So without the shell, but we could fill it with like lettuce, potatoes. I don't know. It looked like a bootleg Chipotle, but it's tasty if it looks good, as Andrew Zimmerman says, if it looks good, eat it. I'm a big Andrew Zimmerman fan.

SPEAKER_05 1:13

Yeah, right? I love what? Bizarre foods. I go to sleep today. Literally, I go to sleep today.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

There was an episode he was in like Guyana and Trinidad, too, right? It was.

SPEAKER_06 1:23

His favorite dish came from Trinidad. What was that? Doubles? I don't know if it was doubles, but he did say one of his favorite places to eat at was Trinidad.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

Trinidad by Prussia. Well guys, so we've had an amazing amount of love and amazing amount of support. Um, thank you guys, everyone, for supporting, for watching, for your comments, for your DMs. Really, really appreciate it. Yeah, in two weeks, you only got 2,000 followers already. I know. And I said three.

SPEAKER_05 1:49

First of all, follow, tell me, tell them up, tell them up. So when we first started this, right? I remember Brandon made a comment along the lines, quote unquote. 12 followers, yeah. Three viewers. And I said no, them three viewers is gonna turn into 12. Yo, these couple. And then the 12 is gonna turn into 20, and then 20 is gonna turn into a hundred. Come on, look at us. We're doing this, yeah, right? Yeah, and I think that it by itself needed a round of applause because definitely for sure, for sure.

unknown 2:21

Come on.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

So, guys, and this is a team thing, right? We're all doing a great job, right?

SPEAKER_05 2:26

Also, to you viewers, definitely like, subscribe, and share.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

What are they commenting on? What do you got?

SPEAKER_03 2:36

What were your thoughts on like how it's been going so far? I mean, I think it's been great. A lot of people's reached out through, you know, Richie's got like 10 accounts, he's commenting all the time. I'll be wake up in the middle of the night with notifications on Instagram, like Richie's commenting on for the third time. While he's driving you on his Facebook chicken that status, yeah, stop doing that, Rich. I'm a social media guy. What can I say? But yeah, it's been great. I mean, a lot of love. A lot of people have been giving recommendations for potential guests, so we definitely got a lot of stuff in the pipeline, which I'm looking forward to. So, you know, keep the suggestions coming. We're here to represent the community. So if there's things that you guys want us to talk about or things that you guys want to see, let us know. We'll try to make it happen, you know?

SPEAKER_02 3:12

Absolutely, absolutely. So, guys, I don't know if you ever heard about this show. There's a podcast called Diary of a CEO, and uh, I listen to that podcast all the time, and it just portrayed in such a nice way, the way it's edited, the way it's cut. And I was like, why can't we do something like that for us, right? And Brian pushed the idea, and you know, it's been going great. And this is episode six, right?

SPEAKER_05 3:34

So honestly, I think it's one of the best things we ever did, like you know, for the community. Yeah, um, you know, being able to let the community enjoy what we do, also uh enlighten the community, you know, with certain things for me and getting feedbacks. That's one of the big things, too. We also we always love getting feedbacks.

SPEAKER_03 3:58

Also, shout out to our guy Danny. You guys don't see it.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

Danny gotta come in from the camera, boy. Can you show us all in front of the camera? Come on, Danny. He puts up with a lot of our bees. Don't be scared and don't cut us out, Danny. We love Danny, he's he's a great friend to us now, and he's been awesome in this, you know. If it wasn't for him, yeah, we wouldn't have gotten to this point, you know? Yeah, he's been great. He's been great. But guys, so um, we wanted to take a little bit of a break today from the guests. The guests have been amazing. Don't get me wrong, right? Guests have been awesome. We've had some really, really nice guests and a lot more to come, too. Uh, but we want to do something a little bit different today. A lot of folks have been saying that they want to learn a little bit more about us, our perspectives, our you know, experiences and stuff. And we had a little bit of a poll on Instagram. Nice, and the poll suggested that a lot of folks wanted us to speak about toxic things that our community normalizes.

SPEAKER_03 4:49

So, why is it that for cooli people well sorry, not cooli people, let's say Chinese people in general or the Caribbean community, that all they every single song is about drinking rum? Like, why do we fantasize drinking so much? Why do you recognize it? We love drinking rum.

SPEAKER_05 5:04

We have rum fat cheese. Remember, sugar cane. Our people was brought to Guyana and Trinidad to plant sugar cane. But not the sugar, but not sugar cane sugar lamb. Sugar turned into rum. And what you think they're gonna do? Some of you don't buy them. Look down back so.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

Well, guys, but look, I think the the sort of like, you know, argument could be made that everywhere has a rum factory or a liquor factory, right? But you don't hear American songs talking about like every single time. Bring the rum.

SPEAKER_06 5:37

No, bring it gum. That's true, but viewers, if you could guess what's in my cup, you'll get 10% off if you book us in your next wedding.

SPEAKER_02 5:44

It's coffee, Brandon. What the hell's wrong with you?

SPEAKER_06 5:46

Let me show the camera.

SPEAKER_02 5:49

No, no, but for real. So, like, if you think back, right, and as long as I've been alive, um, and you listen to any sort of Chutney song, it's always about like drinking rum. Yeah, hanging out, hanging out, lining, right?

SPEAKER_05 6:04

Always going to fat.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

Always going to fat, right? Which I think is fun, right? Don't get me wrong. I I enjoy it, right? It's always nice to have a good time. I don't, but I think for you know, the youth who can't really turn that off, it could get a little bit of a problem.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

Well, I think that's the problem, right? And I also I remember listening to these Chunny songs when I was small and thinking like this must be a joke, right? Like this has to be like satire or something. But like, no, it's the truth. Like, people actually go in the studio, they actually produce these songs, they sing them and they perform them live, and I'm like, wow, like you know, that's crazy that this is all they talk about. And then they have multiple songs where they talk about the same thing over and over and over again. It's like, okay, so like what kind of message are you really sending, right? Because then it gets bad when people actually perceive that their life is just consistently revolving around drinking all the time.

SPEAKER_05 6:51

You know, one thing I always see, right? Being the fact that I live like literally up the block from a school, one thing I always see when I'm outside, these kids will come out of school, and you will always hear them singing the latest song that's on the radio.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

All right, give me a quick example. Let's see what you got, bro.

SPEAKER_05 7:09

Um The Radio, you know.

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Drop that Drake.

SPEAKER_05 7:13

Drop that Drake. Drop that, you know, just like they're not like us. All the all the new songs that's you know, that's just releasing, that's on radio. Get a load of the show. You got these kids that's like singing these songs over and over and over. Yeah, but you will not hear these kids repeating their book over and over.

SPEAKER_07 7:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:34

Brian, did you ever read a book growing up? Oh, of course I did.

SPEAKER_02 7:38

No, no, no, Brian's a smart guy.

SPEAKER_05 7:40

Brian's a smart guy. Trust me, I did. Well book, a lot of books, actually. Give me a title.

SPEAKER_06 7:45

Um, give me the author, give me the illustrator.

SPEAKER_04 7:49

The Ram Traitor Malays by Lucy Das. There you go. That's a good one, right? Oh, the Bagoa Gita. Who's the Baba Gita by?

SPEAKER_05 7:59

That's a good question. God.

SPEAKER_04 8:02

I don't even know who it's by. Who's it by? I thought it was written written by um Arjun.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Oh, damn it. Damn. Arjuna in the Arjuna, right? Yeah, in like the battlefields, right? Right. The pit king.

SPEAKER_03 8:13

Brand, you know what I'm talking about? Damn.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

No clue. No clue. Bran, but all right, so what what are your thoughts on that though?

SPEAKER_06 8:21

Like all the songs being about So all these songs nowadays that people are producing, right? Some of them have meaning, but not a lot of them have like The classic songs, do the classic tracks. Yeah, but like like Rum Dobi. It's really good though. I understand. Yeah, it's catchy, right? But do it really have meaning behind it? Like, that's why I ask, like, like sometimes I go home and I think. I think some of them do. Maybe it does, but sometimes I really go home and think, like, do like when Caribbean men go home, do they really like continue the drinking, beat their wives, do this and do that? You know, because like I see a lot of like in the Caribbean community, right? Everywhere we go, every when it's when it's Monday to Thursday, we're working hard, coming home, eating, going to bed early, showering, brushing our teeth, whatever, to do the same thing the next day. And the minute Friday hits, when they get those tips money, or their check comes in, what's the first thing they do? Run to the liquor store, take a couple drinks, go home. Saturday, take a couple drinks, sometimes even Sunday, take a couple drinks to repeat the process on Monday. Right? So, you know, with the drinking and you know, a lot of health problems come along with it, like, is it really worth it? So, like, with the songs being produced, it's actually like like the truth, right? Like when Ravi B and all those um famous Chinese singers sing, right? Shout out to Ravi B. I'm at him actually this weekend. I would love for him to be here, right? Like all these songs that they're producing, right? Like, it's it it sounds corny, right, for me to say it, but the songs are true with the rum and people drinking and people getting horn because their husband is drinking rum and doing this and that and this. So the word horn is uh is a trinity dialect. Basically, your man is with another chick. Your husband is stepping to the side of you and doing wrongs. Wait, he's doing wrongs. He's doing wrong. I won't get into it. He's doing wrong wrong actions. We'll leave it there. We'll leave it right there.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Guys, so look, when when um when I was younger and I had some friends who are like outside of the community, whether they be like you know, other races or anything like that, and they come to like a birthday party and they see this entire table set just for liquor.

SPEAKER_06 10:43

Like Messi Favorite was the VSOP is lined up from the one corner to the end. Yeah. No, and like they're not used to seeing that, right?

SPEAKER_05 10:50

We love to drink rum. Yeah, we don't like, we love. But here's the thing not everybody can handle the liquor. Right? Right here, prime example. I can't. And and and the thing is, and here's the thing everybody loves to enjoy themselves. Everybody wants to have a good time, everybody go out to have a good time.

SPEAKER_02 11:08

But Brian, when there's like a funeral, right? Is there is it necessary to open up the car trunk outside?

SPEAKER_05 11:14

Okay, so um, here's the thing. I don't know about everybody, but right in the madrasi terms, yeah. When a person is born, when a baby is born, you cry. When they die, you celebrate.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

Oh, yeah, I I understand that.

SPEAKER_05 11:30

The suffering's over. Thank you. Um they cry because you know you're just coming into the world. There's a lot of suffering. There's a lot of ups and downs, there's a lot of obstacles. It's kalyuk.

SPEAKER_04 11:44

Oh, jeez.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

You open a dictionary, you definitely find it up. No, no, so we went to a wedding. We went to a wedding.

SPEAKER_02 11:53

I'm not gonna say whose wedding, but we went to a wedding and the pundit was like, This is the age of kaluk. Oh, I think I remember that. Yeah, and the way how he said it was so funny. It was so traumatic. So dramatic. I had to be in the bathroom for that one. No, but yeah, bro, I I I understand that. I understand that. But I think sometimes it can be a little bit excessive, right? No, no, definitely, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

Yeah. I mean, it's it's nothing wrong with with having it, right? Like, that's not a problem. But I feel like some people don't know when to cut it off. And I think that's that's where it gets bad, right? Because then you have all these other young kids who see this and think like, okay, this is actually what the culture is, and this is what we should be doing, and then they just work, they just focus on that.

SPEAKER_05 12:31

But one thing that one thing that always irked me like is that every time I go to like a wedding or something, right? Or like a like you know, a religious function, it always irks me because there's always a lot of young kids there.

SPEAKER_04 12:44

Always a lot of young kids.

SPEAKER_05 13:45

They're curious, they want to know more about it.

SPEAKER_02 13:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:49

The thing that always irked me is that they don't ever know about it because they're not being, you know, educated about it. Did you break the couch?

SPEAKER_02 13:57

No, I didn't break the couch.

SPEAKER_05 13:58

Danny, don't kill me if I did. Right? They're not being educated about it, they're not being, you know, involved in the culture enough to know about the culture.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

All right, so look, listen to this, right? So if you are a young kid, 14, 15, right, and you see that your parents and your like relatives, right? When someone dies, they drink. When someone gets married, they uh drink. When someone uh kids first birthday. Yeah, first birthday, they again. Every celebration. So then I feel like what the problem becomes is that when they when the kid experiences problems later on in life, because we all do, right? All they've seen is just everyone, when they experience anything, they just drink. Yeah, suck, right?

SPEAKER_03 14:38

So then all their problems.

SPEAKER_05 14:39

So here's the thing everybody has their own problems, yeah. Right? And everybody also have their own solution to their problems, right? Be it what it is. Some people smoke cigarettes, some people drink alcohol, some people smoke yogurt, some people, you know, some people turn out to food, you know. No, yeah, yeah, absolutely. So it's like people cope with with certain situations differently. Right? Alcohol, I think it was just there for for us to enjoy and not to you know, not to abuse. No, but right people do.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Maybe though you're right. Because like maybe because like growing around the sugarcane fields, right? And s being around rum all the time, like being around the production of rum, it was just there.

SPEAKER_05 15:24

Yeah, it was always there.

SPEAKER_06 15:25

It was always there. The people like they just don't know their limits. Like, it's okay to have fun, but to an extent. And then they just go war.

SPEAKER_05 15:32

And then here's the thing, right? Let me ask you real quick. So you're out with a group of friends, you're going out to party, right? The whole idea, quote unquote, party. Have fun. A lot of people pay money for that. Yeah, of course. A lot of people, a lot of people pay money. It don't get you know, it don't cost cheap for you to go out and have fun. It costs money for you to go out and have fun. Yeah, people go out to have fun with this idea that yes, everybody that's around them and their surrounding should be there enjoying and having fun.

SPEAKER_07 16:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:07

But once the alcohol starts biting the bite of the alcohol, you become a whole different person. You can't control yourself with certain things that you say, certain things that you do. You might think that you're controlling yourself, but you're not. Right? And then not only that, the people around you for the ones that's not drunk, the sober ones, they're looking at you like, oh, look at this guy. Now they're starting, you know, they're starting all these types of gossip in their head. Well, he's probably drunk every day. But when you do look at it, you don't know what this person is going through. True. He came outside to have the time of his life because he probably have the worst week. Especially single people.

SPEAKER_06 16:58

When they get their heart broken, they drink. I love hanging out with people when they get their heart broken. You know why? Like, shout out to my boy D1. When he got his heart broken, he got his heart broken. This man drink.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

You say like there was a little tomorrow. I was like, Do you want me to see this and D1?

SPEAKER_01 17:15

We love you, bro. I was like, damn, D one?

SPEAKER_06 17:17

I didn't know you could do that.

SPEAKER_05 17:18

Yep. Remember, D one. Brandon said that. Not me.

SPEAKER_06 17:22

That's about left hand man to the day I die. Damn.

SPEAKER_05 17:26

Damn, Brennan. Brandon's sauce? Nah, not yet. Hey yo, wait, wait, wait, hold up. Time up. Time up. Can everybody pick up their cup real quick? I already showed it to the cancer. Everybody pick up their cup real quick. Mars is on the wrong one. I need everybody to see for me. We're doing our thing. We got the kickback.

SPEAKER_06 17:42

Can you tell me what's in your cup, Brian?

SPEAKER_05 17:44

What's in it? I got coffee in Mars. It's a very nice, cold, chilled beverage. It wants a very nice cold chilled beverage. So sparkling guava juice.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

Terrible, terrible. Alright, guys. So this is like a good sort of like, you know, good sort of segue. All right. Is it rich? No, no. Because look, all right. So when you know you're growing up and you're a teenager and you may be, you may have some melancholy. What? Brennan, can you spell that for me? Melancholy. I got it.

SPEAKER_03 18:22

Brandon can't spell for nothing. Well, true. Brendan Matthew's Matthew.

SPEAKER_06 18:25

I'm not in the melancholy. I can spell it in the back of my head.

SPEAKER_05 18:29

Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Melancholy. Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me. Can you tell me? Tell me. Using his sentence. Tell me. Can you give me the definition, please? You're gonna get the definition and everything. But not only becoming it.

SPEAKER_06 18:42

Can I use it in a sentence? You just use it in a sentence. You can use it in the sentence. All right, so you still want me to spell it all? Yeah, absolutely. So um basically want me to embarrass myself.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

The boy is a new Brandon. This is nothing new. The boy felt melancholy.

SPEAKER_06 18:57

All right. Melancholy. Oh okay. M-E-L collie.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

Can I have the etymology of the word for that? Oh, Jesus Christ, Reggie, you're the doctor here. No, no, all right. So that means like depression, right? So, like, um, if you're a teenager and you're going through some teenage angst, right? Some teenage like depression.

SPEAKER_05 19:15

My goodness just said depression.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Why you gotta make it so like I want to test Brandon, that's why. I failed. As you can see. So we're holding ourselves to a higher standard. If you if you go to your parents at that age and you're like, you know, mom and dad, I'm feeling a little bit depressed, they'll be like, why? Yeah, no, that's it.

SPEAKER_06 19:31

In the coolie community, they'd be like, What is depression?

SPEAKER_02 19:33

Like they actually have food and you have a roof over your head. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_05 19:38

Actually, that doesn't even exist. Back to back to back into to the you know, back into the topic that you were asking about, you know, some of the like toxic things in our community. Well, that's what we're talking about. Caribbean people, I should say.

SPEAKER_03 19:50

Yeah, don't say coolie. Use the L C word.

SPEAKER_05 19:52

What Caribbean people? Caribbean people. Yeah, we can't use that. Endo. Being that we're brown-skinned, you know, being that we're dark-skinned. I don't like mayo. A lot of people look down on us. Wait, wait, wait. A lot of people look down on us because, you know, they think that we're just, you know, as Danny said they look down on us because like we're short, right?

SPEAKER_06 20:12

Because we're short.

SPEAKER_03 20:15

Um, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

Before you you you go there, right? Yes. Go off and rant. When you all right, have you ever felt down before? We all feel down sometimes. Of course. Right? Of course. Now, if you were to go to your parents, right, and tell them, like, mom and dad, I'm feeling kind of down.

SPEAKER_05 20:33

What will they tell you? For example, I got a couple bets in right now, right? Oh, geez.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

No, no, I'm talking about like when you're a teenager, though. Oh, definitely I was down a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 20:42

You know, you're you're sort of I feel like, you know, even to that fact, sometimes you may be afraid to even bring that up, right? Because you already kind of know in the back of your head what their response may be. Like you said that, oh, you got food on your table, you got a house, you got a roof over your head, you got food on your table, you got clothes over your back. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 20:57

You know, one thing I will say, right? Um and you guys can't, you know, you guys can't say the same thing with um what I'm gonna say. I wasn't born here. Right? I came here from nothing, literally from nothing. Like we literally had have to come over here and start afresh. Um It was a tough time for us. We didn't know people, we didn't have connections. Um it was really hard. But trial and error got us to where we're at right now. And that's good because I think without those trial and errors, I would have never been able to be the person that I am. Where I could differentiate from certain things that you guys have out here that y'all can't experience back in Ghana, which I did. Like, for example, y'all not able to come outside and play cricket as a little kid at any given time of the day or night. I was able to do that. Yeah, I can't say y'all went to Baghdam.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

Mesh would go to Bakhdom all the time. You went to Black Press of Guyana? Mesh is the Prince of Guyana.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

Before we continue, Mesh, did you use the Jet Black today?

SPEAKER_03 22:22

Did you use the Jet Black today? It isn't here. We gotta go back and go back. You gotta go back down.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

Leave back down for one quick second. If you were feeling down, right? And you so go to say, oh, mom, I'm feeling down. What's she gonna tell you like specifically? Verbatim.

SPEAKER_05 22:47

She'll give you two rotes. So here's the thing. My mama is different from everybody's mama. Yeah. If I'm down, she's gonna beat me.

SPEAKER_02 22:57

No, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, right? So instead of like investigating, so I was not able to go to my mama and say, oh mama, I'm down.

SPEAKER_05 23:05

Oh, I'm feeling sad.

SPEAKER_02 23:06

Yeah. Brennan, what about you? If you have if we're feeling down, are you gonna be?

SPEAKER_06 23:10

I felt down, I told my mom, my mama opened her arms like this. I don't care, Mesh. You can laugh. I'm a big mama's boy. I love my mama. She's a big boy.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

I mean, I wouldn't even bring it up, to be honest. I'd be afraid because I don't even know how to even address that. But I mean, I came from a place.

SPEAKER_05 23:26

Because of the outcome that you might get from your mama.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

No, because I've never seen it before. So to me, it's like foreign. Like what the, like, you know, what kind of I don't know how to navigate this area because I've never seen it before, right? And even to that, it's like I've I've lived and I've seen it where it's like if there was an issue, the next day you kind of just forget about it, right? And you start from scratch. Like every day is a new day. And like there was a point in time where I used to think about like that too. Like, okay, if you have a problem with somebody or something happens that that doesn't carry over to the next day, and you forget about it, and you just continue doing what you gotta do. But as I got older, I learned like, you know, that's not how life works, right? Like, you don't just hide from your problems, or you don't like reset your issues on reset the next day.

SPEAKER_05 24:05

Because you remember when it continues up, yeah, that bottle is gonna explode one day.

SPEAKER_06 24:09

No, so it's funny you bring that up because I have a friend, right? Nothing against him, I'm not gonna say his name, I don't want to air him out. I remember he liked the. So it turned out D one, though. No, no, well, D was different. D one was my brother. But I had another friend in school growing up, right? And he um he's a guy, but he he had a boyfriend. Nothing against me. I didn't feel the type of way, but when he came with his parents, they they were like, oh, what's going on? They beat him when he brought the guy home. And something today is like, can't really help you. Can't, you know, can't beat your care, you know, if that's what he likes, that's what he likes. So seeing that growing up too, that was one big thing that really stood out to me. Cause, you know, it I don't a lot of people might take that as a bad thing, but then again, you can't dictate someone's life. If that's what they choose, and that's what they try to do.

SPEAKER_05 24:54

One thing I want to say real quick, right? One thing I want to say real quick from what you're saying. Your mom and dad might, you know, might be the reason why you're be why you're on this planet Earth, right? But they don't control your mind. True. They don't control you.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

Literally, they cannot control you. A lot of the things that are surrounding you is what controls how you think or how you act. Thank you, right? So your surrounding is your environment.

SPEAKER_05 25:19

Your environment is what controls you.

SPEAKER_03 25:21

But even though it's not your parents directly, indirectly, it still is them because you spend your entire life around your own. Oh no, of course.

SPEAKER_05 25:26

I'm saying, you know, it's there's there's nothing wrong with being scared of your parents. Feel me? There's nothing wrong with being scared of your parents. But at the end of the day, your parents will not be there with you in your household when you have your own family. You know what I'm saying? You're you're the head of your household. Feel me? So you have to like set the rules, set the boundaries. Certain things that your family say for the future, it could be different.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

Yeah, definitely for the future it could be different. But we're talking about like how it is now, and especially for like our generation, because we have it the rough, right? Because we all, majority of us here are first generation Americans, first generation Guinese Americans, right? Or Caribbean Americans, wherever we came from. Our parents came from these countries and they brought came to America, and now we have to assimilate life over here. So that that's another problem, right? That I mean, that's another thing that we can like discuss as well. The fact that our parents left their countries and came over here, but yet they still haven't fully adapted to kind of the lifestyle that's more acceptable over here, right? So if you look at people who were born in America, um real Americans, like they live a completely different life than we did, right? Like if you had other kids that you went to school with, like they don't plant rice. Yeah, they don't do the same things that we've been doing. They don't plant rice.

SPEAKER_05 26:38

One thing I will say though, right? One thing I will say, just like our ancestors when they came from India, right, to these Caribbean countries, they brought their heritage with them. When our parents and grandparents left Guyana and Trinidad, uh all these Caribbean countries to come to migrate to the US, just like our ancestors said. No, I'm not saying that they're like the culture's with them.

SPEAKER_03 26:59

I'm not saying that they shouldn't bring tradition with them. Yeah, and that's nothing wrong with bringing the culture, but it's also good to assimilate to where you come from, right? Because we are not in Guyana anymore. We are not in Trinidad no more. You know, we're in America. So it's like it's not that you just can't you can definitely bring the culture, but it's also about kind of adapting and kind of accepting some of the norms that are with that are part of America, right? Like being able to talk about your problems. Like if you need help seeking, like, you know, a psychologist or whatever it is, like things like that, people kind of look at, yeah, a therapist or whatever. Sometimes people say that and they're like, oh shit, you uh you know, you're crazy. You know, like they might think you're crazy if you tell them you have a therapist, but that's not the truth. Sometimes people may need that. You have another voice to speak to. Or if you go to the doctor, sometimes you know, some of our parents and stuff like that, they're afraid to go to the doctors, they're afraid to take medication because they're like, oh, he's killed me.

SPEAKER_05 27:43

You know, you know what I think? Yeah, they got home remedies for themselves. I think I think I think being being the fact that you know they're coming from this third world country. Right? To be able to talk to um a psychologist, right? You know, to open up to a psychologist, that means you're you're telling them about your lifestyle and and and the things that's that's you know that's going on in your life.

SPEAKER_07 28:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:07

For a psychologist in in the US, they wouldn't have that understanding that someone is coming from from the Caribbean country. No, but now I think it's cool that things is so different.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

Right, but there are psychologists that are from our community now, right? And that I think is something that a lot of people should take advantage of because I think they understand the culture, they understand our like background, they understand like you know, some of the issues that we have accept really accepting or approaching them, right? Um, and one of those things is just like you know, mesh at us. If you say you're going to a psychologist, they're like, You're crazy.

SPEAKER_05 28:45

Yeah, right. And before they were saying that you're crazy. Yeah. Now that's definitely needed. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Now it's definitely needed. I'm not saying you need to see a psychological. Thank you for saying that because now there were so many more opportunities for people to go to, right? So many different options for you to go to and not be scared. Because before you were scared or people were scared to go to certain people to tell them about their lifestyle, tell them about what's going on. But because of the simple fact that we didn't really know if these people was gonna go back and say it to somebody else.

SPEAKER_06 29:18

Well, now they have that's why they say they're the voice of the voiceless.

SPEAKER_03 29:24

But I mean, let's be real about it too, right? Like Guyana has one of the highest suicide rates in the whole entire world, right? Like, I mean, why is that? Is it because people don't have the ability to talk to somebody about whatever issues they have?

SPEAKER_02 29:35

Why, why though? Um why is in Guyana, why is the popular modality of suicide drinking grammazone? Things unfortunately happen, right? And you know, like I don't think the best way to go about it is to drink anything. Not drinking rum, not drinking gramazone, not like you know.

SPEAKER_05 29:54

Yeah. I think the best thing to drink is a goddamn cup of coffee.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

No, no, but look, this is why we're here, right? Because most likely these things are not going to change, right? But we're at least giving it a platform to talk about, right? We're to talk about it, right?

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Like in Guyana specifically, right? Like you, I mean, there's such a high suicide rate that we discussed, right? But it's also like you live in such a calm and beautiful place, right? So it's like you would think that if you needed to take some time to like blow off some steam or just like clear your head, there's so many different places you could go. I mean, you could walk outside, you but that's the thing.

SPEAKER_05 30:23

A lot of these a lot of these young folks, a lot of these young people, they think just because their heart is broken, because they caught their girlfriend cheating on them, that's the end. Well, yeah, I mean, some of them are overly. And what you think they do? They go and try to end their life. And that's why we have such a high suicide rate. Because once you go home, or once you think you're in love with somebody and then they start playing you unlike the people out here in the United States. If you get your heart breaking today, you're probably in a club tomorrow finding somebody else. Shout out to my man D1.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

That's why, though, like when you're in Guyana, though, love is not, it shouldn't be everything, right? When you're 17 years old, you shouldn't be getting married. I know it's a very different life. Right here. It's totally different. And it's hard for someone like me who was born here to tell someone in Guyana, like, you shouldn't get be married at 18 years old. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_05 31:17

Our grandparents, our grandparents was having kids at 13, 14 years old, they were having kids. 13? Jesus, right? No, yeah, sure. But that's not the same as nowadays, right? Now it's not. Now it's not. Now it's not because we learned that yeah, you might want to have kids at 13, 14 years old, but then you end your life. Because now you gotta take care of them kids.

SPEAKER_07 31:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:44

You can't even live your life because now you're stuck feeling for somebody else.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

All right, so okay, Brian, let's let's uh use that as uh the our next point. Right? So, Brennan, can you give me the best girl voice you got? The best girl voice. Yeah, which I think you're the one for this.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

I know the biggest girl here is mesh. Let's go with mesh.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

No, no, give me all right, just let's do a little bit of like scene play, right? Like, you know, what's up with mesh? What is this? What are you I don't have the best girl voice? Brennan, let's say your name was like Brenda. Oh god. Okay, right? All right. Uh what should we talk about? Talk about like, I don't know, anything. I can't do it. I can't do it. All right, so say if we have Brenda. Brenda's going to the uh the family gathering at her boyfriend's house? Grandmother's house. Okay. And she's seeing her aunts for a while. Is it channeling? I'm trying to make it like I want to paint a picture for you guys. You're not leaving. Paint a fast.

SPEAKER_05 32:45

Okay, okay. I want to ask. Yeah. Do y'all know what Baku is?

SPEAKER_07 32:50

This is all the best.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

Hold on, bro. Hold on, wait. Let me finish my paint it fast. Paint it fast, though. I want you to see what I'm seeing. I want you to see what I'm saying. Okay, so we have Brenda Bisnoath here. Brenda's going to his grandma's house. Brenda sees his auntie. His auntie Sally. Right? Okay. Her well, I'm sorry, her auntie Sally. And her auntie Sally says, Hey, I haven't seen you in a while. You look real fat. Right? You're almost 30. Why aren't you having kids? Okay. Not married. Not you're not married yet? No. How can I have kids? I'm not married unless I have a baby daddy.

SPEAKER_03 33:29

No one really likes you? What are you doing? Like you get too old and nobody wants to be with you after that. Maybe because they see the little the flaps to the side. Muffin tops.

SPEAKER_06 33:40

Yeah, and it's the idea you were trying to paint.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

Oh god. Well, that was that was my great attempt. Great attempt.

SPEAKER_06 33:46

No, but that's that's the problem with today's society. You know, you have a little extra fat, you know, or you have like a mole in your face that makes, you know, that alters the way you look. People look at that and they they judge you off of it, which is I don't see, you know, I love them all shapes and sizes, right?

SPEAKER_02 34:01

That's all as how they come. No, I think especially for a girl, right, when they're receiving pressure from their, you know, their aunts or their mom or their grandma asking them, you know, or telling them that they got too fat or that why aren't you married at this age? Why aren't you married? No kids, right? And like this isn't like the like the 80s or like the 90s, right? Like this is a new age.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

Um I just think creepy people have no filter, right? They just say whatever.

SPEAKER_06 34:27

Well, that's true, right? But one thing one thing that I've seen and like I've read about, actually, I forgot the name of the book, but a woman's life starts at 18, right? We don't see it as men, right? But a woman's life starts at 18. A man's life starts at 30. You know why? Then I'm young. Because so Bro, you're middle young, right? So growing up, right? I don't know. Where does this go with, but let's see. As a man, right? We could always push back. We don't have eggs in us where as women, they have to freeze the eggs if time gets too late, they have to have kids at a certain age. Women at a young age, they want to get married at a certain age, they see a dream, they see a house, they see kids, they see family at very young, 18 usually, right? Versus a guy we have time to play with. You could always find no matter what age, right? This is a family show. No, it's true, right? But it's it's the human body, not rich. Yeah. As a man, right, at any age you could produce versus a woman, you after a certain age, eggs can't be produced. So women tend to, you know, that's what they look for the life partner earlier. They tend to do this earlier, and they have certain actions that they put in play before a male.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

No, well, so look, right? When a female is hearing these things, what is this? What do we do?

SPEAKER_03 35:44

Is it a health class here? It's true.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

Brandon did teach health one time, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:49

Yes, oh man. Yo, speaking of health and Brandon's overall teaching ability, to be honest. Oh, just kidding, yes.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

Our folks, right? And we're staying under that topic, right? The topic tree. The painting?

SPEAKER_03 36:01

We gotta visually paint it up for this.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

Oh god. No, no, so so look, right? Um what are they saying now?

SPEAKER_03 36:11

Your painting board. All right, so we have uh people tend to Caribbean people tend to just say whatever comes out their mouth, right? So how do you think we can prevent that from happening as a new generation? Because I've seen even family members that are still in their like 40s that are doing this still, that say these things like, oh, you're too dark, you know, why are you not married? Like we were saying, like, why don't you have kids, all these other things? I mean, and 40's not that old, right? So you just have that mindset at 40 is like still kind of like, okay, like why haven't you again been more open-minded or being a little more conscious of what you're saying or who you're saying it to, right? So how can we prevent these things or how could we let people know that it's not right? Like, do we ever say anything? Like, I know people said stuff like that to me, and I've just I I have never like said, oh, this is wrong, right? Like I've never outwardly spoken and said this is wrong because obviously you're afraid to talk back to your elders, right? Or anybody that's older than you, you're afraid to say no to them or say that's wrong. So you just sit there and you kind of smile, laugh it away, right? That's kind of like the solution to it, but how can we get better at that? How could we do we address it? Do we what do you guys think about that?

SPEAKER_05 37:14

I try I try to address it, right? Um I have this uncle and he's always every time he's drinking, and yes, again. Back to the room, right? Every time this man is drinking, we'd be in family gatherings, right? And he will go back on the stories to the time when I was a little baby and he was changing my diaper. As grown as I am, right? As grown as I am, I don't want to hear you talk about changing my diaper. Right? And what always irks me is that he don't ever say that stuff when he's sober. But it's the first topic that comes out of his mouth when he's drunk. I try to talk to him about it, I try to like put him to the side when he's sober about it.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

Yeah. I don't know how to fix it. Well, I mean, and so that's a great point, Brian, right? That that's another problem too. It's like even if you do bring it up, a lot of these older generation people, they just they're not open-minded at all, right? They have no idea, like they're not open to any type of like dialogue.

SPEAKER_05 38:16

They don't they don't understand that like you know, you're not a little kid anymore that you could say certain things. Yeah, at the end of the day, you're a grown person. Not only that, at the end of the day, you have your own feelings. Yeah, that's true. You have your own feelings. So now imagine imagine you're standing in a crowd, crowd with with with your friends, with your acquaintances, right? And then have a family member that's drunk out of his ass come up in your little circle, right? Into your little conversation. Oh yeah, when he was little, I was changing his diaper. When he was little, that I was doing this, that, and the third. And start embarrassing the hell out of you. Do you know how bad you feel when that happened? Now, what can you say at that moment to that person? Yeah, there's literally nothing, there's literally nothing that you can say because the minute you say something to that person, it started to something bigger. Yeah, now you start fighting. Then there's a whole mentioned. You said that's the crazy thing. They talk to that person, they have the person. This person won't look at that person, that person won't look at this person, but got a s of stuff to say about that person, you know, and then what they don't realize is that at the end of the day, we're still family members. You're gonna say this thing to that person about this person, and it's gonna come back.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

No, yeah, yeah. A lot of he said, she said, right?

SPEAKER_05 39:37

It's the only way, bro, yo, bro, leave it up, leave it up to us Guyanese and Trinidadi for that lot of he say and she say stuff, we're very good at it. Very good at it.

SPEAKER_06 39:52

I actually got a question. I'm I'm gonna shoot this one right back to you, Brian, right? So, why do older generations right tie success so heavily like to like marriage and children and all that stuff? Why do you think so?

SPEAKER_05 40:03

Um, so my I think my knowledge towards that would probably be when when our ancestors came, they just came. They didn't have nothing here, they didn't have no one here. They need to populate it, they need to populate and have their race with them, have more of them.

SPEAKER_03 40:23

Well, I think it was more of like a you kind of needed a family to kind of help get things done, right? Because back then, I mean, you had a you know, you had the wife that would take it.

SPEAKER_05 40:35

A lot of a lot of uh field that need to get plowed, a lot of keen Yeah. You know, seriously, a lot of field that needs to get plowed, a lot of a lot of livestock that needs to get tended to. Yeah, yeah. It was like a teamwork kind of thing. That's what I was trying to say, right? Like you have to imagine, imagine this. It takes a village to raise one kid, right? As they say, literally. So now ain't four pairs of hands better than one. True.

SPEAKER_03 40:57

No, but but Bryce, so I think the point I was trying to make, right, is that the reason why I think it was like that is because, like, like I said, they came together to kind of form a team, but the team got divided in their roles, right? Because the man would be outside working all day, cutting cane, and then you have your the wife or whoever staying at home to do all the house chores and take care of the kids. And then the husband will come to the house, attending to the kids. He gets paid, he gives the money to the wife, and you know, the wife takes care of the finances, everything else. Is that like that anymore? But I'm saying that kind of mindset has also still kind of transferred over into today's world indirectly, and uh, you know, in another form. There's still kind of ways where people still assume that that women need to also have those kind of roles too, right? And that's that's like another bad, that's another issue.

SPEAKER_05 41:41

Remember this. We fought for equal rights, right? Now we got women working the jobs that only men were supposed to work. Who fought for equal to the movie? Instead of the man, instead of instead of the men going to work and then a woman and 1920s. I'm not saying we, I'm not saying we as us here. I'm talking about the women's suffrage movement.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

People fought for for women's rights, right? No, no, I mean they uh they uh they can vote, absolutely. But I mean I'm I'm gonna go to the book. No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about the roaring twenties. No, no, guys, hold on. First, let's let's make something clear here, right? We are a progressive group here.

SPEAKER_03 42:27

We like right, but like I just want to say, how could we change that mindset? Because that has indirectly still been a part of issues today, even older people.

SPEAKER_05 42:37

What I'm trying to tell you is that we went from where the men only used to go to work and the women was always in the kitchen doing all the chores to now where women are doing the same jobs, right? Instead of being in the kitchen or doing the chores and taking care of the household.

SPEAKER_07 42:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:52

They want to go out and work now. They want to make money now.

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SPEAKER_03 43:24

No, which is why though I think like when uh But even now, like to say that now, right? Like, even if that's the case now, you still have some parents that are saying, like, oh, like why, you know, why is the women still working? Why is the women like, you know, if they have kids, like, why are they gonna continue to work? Why are they not at home? Like, you know, like who's gonna do all things? I mean, they assume like they're independent. Once you have the kids, that all of a sudden that's it, right? That changes.

SPEAKER_02 43:43

No, but nowadays, when you have girls that are going to school for four to six, even eight years, depending on what you know career they choose, they're having kids at age twenty, right? Everybody's putting their future ahead of the you know. You gotta make this is New York City out here, guys. You gotta make some cash, right? Oh no, definitely you gotta make cash because if you don't make no goddamn cash, you can't survive. That's right. And then like if you just listen and just make a child, then you know you don't have any finances, you're gonna be in for a really hard time. Yeah, be in for a really, really hard time. Right. So I think the only way to really deal with those things, Mesh, to sort of, you know, go back to what you were saying uh is ignore it. Right? That's unfortunately the only thing you can do.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

I agree to a point. I definitely agree. Yeah, I think it's more of like understanding that, you know, certain older generations are of a different mindset and you really can't change that mindset, right? Because if somebody's been thinking about something the same way for 40, 50 years, yeah, it's like, you know, it's like thinking about when the first phone came out. Like people looked at the first phone, they're like, How did how do I use this? Like, I don't even know what to do. Like, you know what I mean? Like they were just like not trying to adapt to it at all. I still don't know how to use it.

SPEAKER_05 44:56

I'm home. Guys, I wanted to I wanted to ask, right? Has this ever occurred to anyone of you where somebody come up to you and talk about arranged marriage?

SPEAKER_06 45:05

Of course. Well, not to me, but I've heard of it. Like, I have a friend when I went to um go to St. John's, his parents actually from Bang, um, is it Bangladesh? His parents actually arranged for him to get married to another girl, and he had to go back to his home in uh in Bangladesh. They set up the whole nine yards, the big wedding, whatsoever, for him to marry her to actually bring her back here and start a life. And what was the um case? It was he went to work nine to five, he was a business major, I believe. Went to work, worked nine to five, make the money, bring home, and his wife used to stay home, cook, clean, wash. I don't know if they have a kid yet, but that's that's her life.

SPEAKER_02 45:46

But what about like a business marriage? Like when all right, so like when I was younger, I remember my dad had this friend who offered me $20,000. So marry his daughter.

SPEAKER_05 45:55

Oh man, I had one of those. So that's when I said arranged marriages, right? Yeah, that's actually what I was talking about, right? Um marriage for papers for the money. For the money, for the papers, $20,000 what? Arranged marriages. You just marry, you bring it now. $20,000.

SPEAKER_02 46:13

If you address for the inflation, Mesh, what do you think? You know what I'm doing?

SPEAKER_06 46:17

You know what I can do with $20,000? I could buy a Subaru WRX with that money.

SPEAKER_02 46:21

There you go. No, no, but look, so like think about though. If you were to enter into one of those agreements or one of those relationships where you're marrying someone for cash, right? And you have to pretend like that. I remember there was a like a Bollywood film, it was called um Kalhonaho.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

I forget now what it was called. What's the problem? Everybody, these Indian people watch too much coolie movies. I mean, yeah, Matt, what's the matter with that? I'm sorry, but they watch so many Indian movies and then they get caught up in lifestyle.

SPEAKER_05 46:57

That's why they're soap properties that they're watching where they get so dramatic. Right? Where you got you got these people that's living this certain lifestyle, and then you got your grandparents and your parents telling you, oh, because they saw something from TV, they want you to do the certain the same thing.

SPEAKER_07 47:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:16

They want you to live the same lifestyle, they want you to carry on the same, you know, the same way that they they're watching on TV. At the end of the day, sit down on the couch and watch the soap opera and leave the living to us. You lived. Let us live. You experienced. Let us experience. Yeah, yeah, let us make the the mistakes and let us learn from our from our own mistakes.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

Absolutely. Absolutely. No, and uh guys, I think what we can sort of all agree with right here is that there's no way we can change these things, right? No, it's beyond our control. And the only thing that you can do is have a strong sense of self. And if you have like certain goals you want to achieve and you know in your mind that these are your goals, you just have to have a strong mind and be like, you know, you can say whatever you want, and this is it can't affect me, right? But if you are someone who's if you have lower self-esteem and um lower self-confidence, and you sort of struggle with what other people say and this stuff really bothers you, I think the only way to really deal with it is just to build yourself up, right?

SPEAKER_03 48:25

Yeah, I agree. I think the mind is the most powerful thing that you have, right? And it's once you have in your mind that you can do whatever you want to do or be whoever you want to be, you can never stop it. Like I grew up, I was chubby when I was small. But that never like you still are. Yeah, I mean, yeah, but I never pull up the picture. Can I pull up the picture, man? Oh no, don't do that one. You know, look up your maze.

SPEAKER_06 48:45

The maze broke.

SPEAKER_03 48:46

No, but I'm saying I never felt like that in my head. Like I was just chilling, like I was I was happy, like I was, you know. That kind of was cool to be a little bit like, you know, not even no, not really, but at the same time, like I met you to have the XL on. I looked like Brandon Mama. I thought we were all friends when I get you, but that's what I'm gonna get you. But I bring this to say, like, I didn't have that mindset where I felt like, you know, this is like something that's gonna stop me from doing, like having like doing whatever I wanted to do, right? So my advice would be to like if you guys keep a strong mind and keep your the keep your thoughts, like think about what it is that you want to do, and like just don't listen to the other voices that are out there, there's so much more that you can achieve, right? There's a lot more that you could your potential peaks a hundred times more than what you think it actually can be. So, you know.

SPEAKER_05 49:34

You know, one thing I also think that plays a big key as well is when you have family members that's always thinking that, you know, by them saying certain things to you, right? Like, for example, if you're in school and you're trying to proceed, you know, just this like specific thing. You will have these hating cousins, nieces and nephews. Yeah, I mean you already said it like three times, Brian.

SPEAKER_02 50:03

Hating on you, especially if they know that you're doing good. Alright, so that's that's a good uh sort of next sort of segue, right? So uh keeping up with the Joneses.

SPEAKER_04 50:13

Always, always, it's always no keeping up the Joneses, but with like us Caribbean people, us Caribbean people is always like a bucket of crabs. No, well, why why is that why is that example like a bucket of crabs?

SPEAKER_02 50:26

In your opinion, right? Why is that example tied so closely to us? I hear so many people say it, right? Crabs in a barrel, and like nobody wants to see anyone else succeed, right?

SPEAKER_05 50:36

Because because one thing with with with Caribbean people, right? And I see this a lot. Literally, I see this a lot. Caribbean people don't like to see their fellow Caribbean people succeed in life. Or do better than change or doing good in life, or doing better than them. That's that's that's something though that I would they will look at you in your face, oh yeah, you're doing good. I'm I'm glad. You know, I'm proud of you. The minute your back is turned, they got the biggest dagger ready to stab you in your back. Literally, yeah, they're trying to find ways to break you down from your success.

SPEAKER_03 51:13

But why is that though? Because if you look at other cultures, a lot of them tend to come together and help each other. Like I've had co-workers that here's the thing. Here's the thing.

SPEAKER_05 51:22

With us, we don't like to wait. In order for for the community to succeed, right? You know, you know that saying they say you know that saying they have in order to build a dam, little pebbles could build it faster than then than That's the same. I never heard that before. How long how how hard was it would it be take? How hard would it be, right, for you to lift a boulder to put it to bl to make a dam? As opposed to taking pebbles.

SPEAKER_02 51:56

No, but yeah, it's you know, I think what that means is just that more people help, the job, yeah, the job will get done, right? So yeah, but so when you look at other communities and other cultures, right, that help each other, right?

SPEAKER_03 52:11

Come together, yeah. All of them live in one house, they pile their money together, yeah. They they do everything so that they build well together. They build well together so that way they can they can all share in their success, right? Yeah, but can we do that? But that's what I'm saying. Why can't we?

SPEAKER_02 52:25

Why? I we we certainly can. Yeah, why can't we? And at the end of the day, we're all human, right? You know what I think have emotions.

SPEAKER_05 52:30

For us, we have this mentality where the first day you're a guest, the second day you're a pest. I feel the same way about mush. You ever hear you ever heard about that?

SPEAKER_02 52:44

My my mom always says after three days, uh you know, by the third day you're you overstage your stay?

SPEAKER_05 52:49

Yeah, yeah. What, Rich? Fish, what? So now now it's guests and fish both stink. I think so. Now look at this, right? Imagine leaving everything. Someone like in my in my example. I don't know if that applies. Right. So put put yourself in my shoes. Imagine leaving everything that you had. Everything that you had, and now you're coming to start a brand new life, right? You got family members already over here.

SPEAKER_03 53:11

To that point, Brian, right? I've had family members that came from Ghana and came and lived with us for months on free. Like literally for free. Because they didn't have anything. And they've been able to be able to build their life, they build their life and ran, and that's it. They left. They never came back and they never like back to peace out, girls go. Like they're living better than we were living. Afterwards, they started living better than that. Not only me, not back at multiple other people. And that to me is crazy.

SPEAKER_05 53:37

That's why I say that's why I always say, don't ever bite the hand that feeds you.

unknown 53:42

Right?

SPEAKER_05 53:42

Well, I mean, because at one point, at one point, when you came from Ghana, you left everything that you had, and now you come to a different state, to a different country. You have nothing, you have no one. A different continent. Now, you one of your family members decided to open their door and let you in. Let you in so you could build. You build, you build, you build, you build. Now you got to that state. That family member that let you in is nothing now, right?

SPEAKER_03 54:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:09

And it's not that you're now you're gonna think, you're gonna think because I boom. Now that you made it succeed. Now that you succeed, right? Yo, Brian, we run around, Brian. Somebody say something, right? Come on. Your family members, the one that you that you was housing in your crib, that you let them stay there for free. Brian, you made this point already. I know, I know, but look at but look at this, right? They're gonna stay in your crib for free, and now they made it to the top. The minute they made it to the top, they're gonna look at you like, oh, now you're a bucket of crab that try to pull them down.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

No, well, so look, so look, this is something though that I think that we can actively try to change, right? And you know, there's a saying that goes that, you know, everyone wants to see you do well, but not better than them, right? Of course not, right? So, but like if they do if they do better than you, right?

SPEAKER_05 54:56

They want to see you do better than you.

SPEAKER_02 54:57

But Brian, hold on, hold on. It is it is like clear though, when someone is doing better than you, they obviously are working at something and doing something to get them there, right? People just don't like wake up and roll into a stack of cash unless you like win the lottery and stuff, and even so, right?

SPEAKER_03 55:14

But um, like the good thing I'm trying to get is that you're not like if you do something, if you that favor somebody, they're not owed anything to that, like they don't owe you nothing, right? But it doesn't mean that you can't just appreciate that that person gave you life, like you that person brought you here, gave you that opportunity that nobody did. Because imagine coming to America straight off a guy or wherever and having to come pay rent in this in a in New York, out of all places. You know what rent costs like in New York? The house of living cost of living.

SPEAKER_05 55:41

That's what I'm saying. Once you and and then if uh once you you let them in your house, right? The house that you're paying your mortgage for, the house that you're paying your your light beer for, the house that you're paying your gas for, right? The house that you're paying your water for. I boom, you let them stay in your house. And then the minute they made it to the top, or the minute they made it to where they need to get, right, they forget about you, or they look at you like like one of them crabs in that bucket, thinking that you're trying to pull them down.

SPEAKER_02 56:09

Brandon, so what what are some things that you think that we we can do to like improve that mentality of that crabs in the barrel mentality?

SPEAKER_06 56:16

So to be honest, well, going off a Brian or Mesh, right? It's like a I haven't experienced it myself, but like seeing other people, like for example, like seeing people being better because they're evolving, putting in the time, putting effort, putting in the work, the grind, right? And then literally when they get to the top, well, I hate to say it like this, right? And I said it to you guys, right? And Mesh might disagree with me, so I'm trying to figure out a way to say it, but why does a Lambo have two seats and a minivan has f has five? Because you have a family. Well, the minivan has well no eight. I'm sorry, right? Yes, you have family, but to get to the top is not an easy road, right? You gotta struggle, you're studying, putting in the long nights of studying, investing your money, doing this, doing that to make sure you're at the top, right? But while climbing that mountain, there's gonna be haters there, right? And I said this before at the Christmas party. Why do you think, and shout out to RJ Prof if he's ever watching this, he works with me. Why do you think the Eagles don't fly with the pigeons? And I said this before, and why does the pigeons don't fly with the eagles? You remember Mesh? I'm trying to get the point. Yeah, we're going to be. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 57:36

That's not the I mean, I understand what you're trying to say, right? But we're not talking about that. We're talking about people that you've brought into your family to brought into your home to help to elevate them to the status of the eagles. So do you forget that you were a pigeon or do you forget that you were flying down there that you had a minivan before you had the Lambo? True. You can't forget the people who made you who you are. Can't forget your roots. Yeah, exactly. Can't forget your roots ever. Ever.

SPEAKER_05 57:59

That's the point. Also, before you was this big bald eagle, you was once a chick. Literally. No, that's true. Yeah, you were a chick. No, no, you gotta remember where you came from. Hence the term, hence the term. Once you come into the country and then you got nothing. You're starting from afresh. You know? And a lot of people always take advantage of that. People always do take advantage of it.

SPEAKER_06 58:24

So, one topic that we're moving on from crabs and being pulled down, right? What's your favorite kind of crab, right? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 58:32

Brian Reeves thought about it.

SPEAKER_06 58:36

I would like to move on to the topic. It's a very specific topic. And I hear about the two different types of crabs again. Oh my god. I'm quitting. In school, in families, anywhere is mental health. Yeah. Right? Mental health has always been a big thing. I see a lot of people struggling with it. A lot of people just say, oh, that's something that's make-believe. I think personally mental health is a big thing. I don't think it's make-believe. I think people go through things. That's why people, when they commit suicide, there has to be a reason behind it. When they harm themselves, there has to be a reason behind it. Harming themselves or even ending their lives. Right? Mental health, I think, is a serious thing. It's a real thing. Right? A lot of people go through it, and I think no one should ever go through that. Mental health, um, not me. I I haven't gone through it, but I seen people in my life go through it, and it hurts, you know, because seeing them, like for example, we had a young pundit in the um community, right? And he it was mental health. Um, I even though you have you know a lot of life problems, you should never end your life for that ever.

SPEAKER_02 59:34

No, look, so like that's something that and I think one day we're gonna have a mental health specialist, like a psychologist, come and come and speak with us as a guest, right? But that's a topic that we can go on and on about, right? So uh unfortunately, though, like historically, it it's not a topic that really has gotten that much attention in our community. Oh, and but now though it's though. It's slowly it should like I see now there are a lot of like uh Guyanese psychologists who are trying to shine some more light on it, um, you know, about being from the community and struggle struggling with like you know, depression and things like that. So those are some things that definitely we can work on, right? But I just think like maybe in Guyana and Trinidad and you know other places there was no framework for that, right? So it's not like you can really go to uh mental health specialists in Guyana, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:32

I think to this day they don't still have facilities for people to go and you know express the the traumas that they're going through and you know their feelings and everything like that. They still don't have that.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:43

And everyone has feelings, right? So it's not like you know, men have feelings, women have feelings, right? So not men more more than you know females, like it's we all go through things. Yeah, we all we all go through things with like expectations from our families and uh a variety of things, right? But uh this is hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:04

Talk to people, man. You gotta, you know, you gotta start somewhere. Yeah, talk to people.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:06

You know, I think that's that's one of the main that's one of the main things. Um if ever you're going through anything, literally, anybody, whoever it is, you got a friend, you got a family member that you can reach out to, you got a colleague, a co-worker that you can reach out to, my best my best uh, you know, uh advice is give them a call. Literally give them a call. They might say something to you that they you know you might hate, yeah, but they will stay you away from doing certain things. And I think one of the bus biggest things in our community, or like one of the biggest things in the world today, is that people don't feel comfortable calling anybody or reaching out to anybody with certain things that they're going through in life that could potentially lead to you know suicide.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:03

Or like self-harm. Like that. To be honest, I know this sounds weird, but you could even talk to Chad GBT. You could put that in Chad GBT. I could talk to Chat GBT only. Yeah, like if you don't really talk to anybody, you can talk to AI, AI will give you a good response.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:17

In today's modern technology, we have AI, we have a smartphone.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:21

That's $20 a month you can spend, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:23

We have a smartphone, it's literally a computer in your hand. You get bored, you you pull up anything, you want to talk about something, you want to look up something, you want to research about something. It's right there in the palm of your hand.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:36

People don't realize it don't take but two minutes or two seconds to press that call button. How you doing? Are you feeling okay? Also, one thing I want to say, right? And I've been to a lot of funerals. I've been to a lot of funerals, I've been to a lot of wakes, a lot of viewings. Do you know that 90% of men receive their first bouquet of flowers at their funeral?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:12

But I don't know if men really want to receive a bouquet of the flow.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:14

We don't need listen, listen, listen. Brian, you're telling me you want a bouquet of those? Listen, it's not it's not it's not about a bouquet of a flower. It's not about a bouquet of flowers. But what I'm trying to say, the metaphor is what I'm trying to say is that when you're dead, when you're laying lifeless in that coffin, right? You think you think that person that's laying lifeless in that coffin can see the flowers that you're bringing? Can hear, can hear the amount of uh the tears that you're tear that you're crying, or can see it the tears that you're crying, or see the amount of people or see what the type of outfit that you have on? They can't. But when you're alive, they will never come to you. How you're doing, bring your bouquet of flowers. Are you okay?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:55

Yeah, and those things definitely matter, right? Those things.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:59

It do matter, it do matter to to call friends. Alright, it doesn't matter if you have, you know, you have problems with this person, call them. You never know. That call, that single call might change their whole mindset, their whole life.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:14

Yeah, call somebody, talk to ChatGBT, do something. ChatGBT is great.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:19

You can talk to ChatGBT about anything, and they'll tell you exactly what you want to hear.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:24

What you want to hear, but it'll give you suggestions. Sometimes that was a little bit too much, um, but it it can be great. It can be great.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:30

Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:31

All right, guys, let's talk about um doctors, right? Let's talk about healthcare. AKA U. No, no, but look, so I think this is a big one, yeah. This is a very big one, right? So there's a lot of uh elderly folks, right, who think that having a good Kirila teeth will uh solve their issues.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:51

Tell me, tell me. We're gonna do this. You're gonna stick to your modernized American style, and I'm gonna stick to my bush style.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:58

Oh, jeez.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:59

Well, bro, I think that's a part of the problem.

unknown 1:05:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:08

No, that's gonna tell the problem.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:10

I'm gonna tell you some real, I'm gonna tell you some real stuff right now. Me as a little kid, my grandfather used to force me to take SS tonic. What is that? It's like a it's like a supplement, a supplement that you know has all the vitamins and all the things. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They believe, yeah. They believed that it did. Um, but there was also this guy in our village, right? That my grandfather used to get this like homemade remedy medicine kind of thingy, always in the like water bottles, the used water bottles. Yeah, the Guyana water bottles. I was like, Like a tonic? It was a tonic. But I promise you, I promise you, you take one shot of that thing. Feel brand new? Brand new is not even a word.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:55

Oh, wait, so Brian, what was in this?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:57

So I will know the last time I went to Guyana. Right, and I was in Burby's. My wife's cousin gave me this like bush wine.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:04

I know you're all in love with it.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:06

What do you say bush wine? Is it moonshine? I have no idea. It's kind of so bush wine in Ghana is moonshine in America. Yeah. Literally, it's like illegal distilled.

unknown 1:06:17

Right?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:17

Illegally distilled. Nah, this dude went in the he went into some the bar and he bought it at the bar and he came back and he gave it a little bottle and he gave it to me. He's like, You drink this. I drank it. And I went to the bathroom like five times. That thing clear cleaned out my whole system.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:31

That's unnormal for you guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:32

I was like, I don't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:34

You sure he didn't give you centipod? No, I don't know what it was. Guess the way you just said that, I think he gave you centipod for you to run to the bathroom that much.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:43

Yo, I don't know what that was, but I was like, I think our cuisine is very carb-heavy, right? Like fried rice and chowman and doll parties.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:53

Listen, we love we love rice. We love carbs, a lot of carbs. We loved rice and roti.

unknown 1:06:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:59

We love rice and roti.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:00

So then, Brian, what what happens when you eat so many carbs is that you have high blood sugar. Not only that, you get a dull belly. And you get a dull belly. That's right. That's right. Right, but then, like, you know, when you're diabetic and you have high blood sugar and you have all these issues, that's not the time to consume a bush tea.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:25

Yeah. Um, actually, I beg to differ. Being the fact that we don't have all these like advanced medicines. No, I'm talking about here.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:36

Oh, I'm talking about here, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:38

Out here. So look, if 90% of diabetic people out here was to try the medicine that we have back home, home. I'm talking about homemade remedy medicine.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:48

Is it like Ozempic?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:49

The bush, the bush medicine.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:52

What Brian, so what is in this bush of medicine? No, and no, I'm it's let's let's clarify something, right? I am a huge proponent of natural things, right? I drink natural juice every day, three times a day, actually. Right? Uh lots of herbs and teas and things like that, but as a supplement, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:11

Look, now as a doctor, right? As a doctor, you know as a PA, you know, sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I am sorry. No, no, they're gonna be like, oh, I'm trying to be a doctor. But you know, right? Being in the medical field, you know that a lot of these medications that's being prescribed to people is nothing but chemicals. Very wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:36

No, but but hold on, right, right. When your blood your when your blood sugar is sky high, right? You gotta take some chemicals to bring it down, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:48

And that's not the time to like have some chorilla tea. Now, look at this, right? While you have your chemicals to bring your blood sugar down, we also have our homeboy. Why are we not in Ghana now? That's not Ghana. This is remedy in Ghana.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:04

But bro, so look when when someone is about to have their foot amputated because their blood sugar is too high, ain't no time for no chorila tea.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:10

Yeah, exactly. Whatever the highest type three. Whatever's the highest. What type is that? A diabetes. I know everybody they got sugar problems in the house.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:19

I know they still got a world of sugar in their house. I know people that lost limbs from diabetes, and then they tried these natural remedies.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:27

Alright, so look, Bri look, my grandma thinks that she shouldn't take her medications, specifically the mental health ones. Because it is bad for her and it's not going to help her, and it's just going to uh ruin her life even more. Right? And I mean, look, there are these things have pros and cons, right? But um for the most part, a lot of these medications do help. Right? However, lots of natural things also do help, right? Like exercise and going outside and taking a walk.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:01

But that's the other part of it, right? How many like Caribbean people do you see exercising, especially the older ones? They're lazy. They don't want to exercise. Nobody don't see nobody exercising. You barely, I mean, most of sometimes you might see them walk, but how often do they walk? Right? They're lazy. A lot of them are afraid to go. So I guess the point we're trying to make is a lot of people are afraid to go to their doctor's appointments or even schedule doctor's appointments because they don't believe what the doctors are saying are true. I don't know how many times I've heard that this is all a scheme to get money. Like if they are trying to rob me and they're trying to take my money from me, even though they have insurance and the insurance is paying for it. It's a scheme, right? So, how do you dispel rub?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:37

Oh, wait, Bri, talk about uh trying to rub some LimaCall on things. What does LimaCall do?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:43

Oh my gosh. Mesh, what are your thoughts on that? So listen, listen, listen, hold on. LimaCar is the number one thing that you need at a Guyanese, Trinidad, or Caribbean funeral. I gotta get it. But Brian, but hold on.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:59

So I work in orthopedic surgery, right? And sometimes these people come in with some knees that their knees look like this.

unknown 1:11:07

Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:08

Bone on bone. Bone on bone, and like the knee looks like my my like the robot. There's no cat. Right? And they're like Bob may rub some lime call banana, everything's done all right, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:18

No, no, no, no, no, no. They're using lemon call for the wrong thing. What do you think? That's not lime call. You don't put lemacol on your knee because your knee's hurting. You put lemacol on your head because your head is hurting and because you're blackout.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:34

I remember go ahead, back to the colour. Your blackout makes no damn sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:37

First of all, I'm gonna make I'm gonna make two arguments there. What you just said that makes it look like lime call is like one of them um what's the thing that they give drug addicts to revive the number can?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

No, it is it is kind of like a nutcan. Hold on, wait, actually though, so I remember I was at a family function and someone did pass out. And then my I was like, bring the lime card!

SPEAKER_05 1:12:00

No, I remember I told my dad that and I was like, Wait, what are they gonna do? Just like smelling salt. When someone passed out, right? You use smelling salt to you know to revive them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:12

Anyway, I was gonna make the point that I think lima coat, I think that is all psychological. People believe that it helps and doesn't do anything, so then they start and they feel like they feel better.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:22

I promise you, I promise you, you put that thing in your sm in your nose, you put that thing in your nostril, you're gonna wake up.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:31

So, what is the proper application for said live lemon?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:36

I don't use this, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:37

So he's expert here.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:43

Give me icy hot. I got this, I got this, I got a patch, I got this, right? So, you know, being the fact that I go to a lot of videos and a lot of wigs and a lot of viewers, but does someone have it on hand?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:53

The best way I see them use lemon code is that they dump it in the heart and slap it with lemon bombs. Have you ever seen that? Slap somebody with it? Yeah, that's the lemon. They rubber here, you slap somebody put it by the nose.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:10

You might go some hair, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:13

It's also rogue in. No, but look, Brian, so okay, so what is it about lima cold that revives people from fainting? Is it the smell?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:22

I think it's the smell. Um, just like just like uh Wait, you're crying?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:27

Bring the lima call.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:28

Bring the lima call, Brian. Bring the lima call. Just like smelling salt, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:34

It's like it's it's still. Instantly. With savi. Yeah, yeah. With savi, the minute you eat a little too much, hello, how about you? It opens up your nostril. It's the same thing like lambaca.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:53

The minute you put that on your head and you start clapping it on your um on your palate.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:58

On your palate. Your palate.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:01

I gotta go back to palate.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:06

Well, yeah. You need to attend Brandon's health class. That's what you need to do. Brennan, what what did you teach in uh in health, Brennan? I didn't even teach a class. They was offering. Oh, they offered you. Big difference. All right, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. My my apologies. Okay, Brian, back to the align a cloud. And on top of that, it wasn't even that scaling, but we can't put that out there.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:25

Alright, so wait, quick question. Yeah. What do you think worked best for for joint pain? Benge or Melavan um icy hot English, Brian.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:35

I mean, it's the same thing pretty much. Yeah, it's the same thing. Yeah, use the same ingredients to make it. Benge is more intense.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:41

No, no. Tiger bomb.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:45

So sometimes I shot a punch in.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:49

No, no, well, that's no, that's a part of the problem, right? Right? So, oh, but look, so sometimes you'll I'll smell some like tiger bomb on some people, and I'm like, that's eyes start burning.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:01

That'd be really intense. My eyes will start tearing, my nose will start tripping.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:05

Tiger bomb came from a tiger. It does. No, it don't. And where do you get that resource from, bro?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:10

Um, but you know, I think though, what we could say is that tiger grease, tiger grease. There are some applications where the natural things do work, right? I don't know about when people faint.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:24

Like there's one thing, one thing that people always say that work, but I tried it and it didn't work for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:30

You know those ginseng shots? What the f seen that, yeah. You know the ginseng shots? Yeah, the Chinese, those Chinese roots, yeah. Yeah. So they say that, you know, once you take it, you know, it's supposed to like they sound like sing glossy shop. It gives you like stamina and like, you know, give you energy that like boost your energy and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:49

What kind of energy are we talking about here? Just for like down below, no, no, just on below just for life. For life. Jesus, guys. This is a family show. It's a scam. This is a family show.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:01

So we got we only got four minutes left. Final four. Let's final four. This is a final four.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:06

Who are we asking the final four?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:07

We're gonna ask questions and no, we just we all make a mark a remark. All right, you first start off, Matt. Are we gonna end it now? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:15

We went on and on and on.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:17

My couple are empty. Yo, the drinking thing was not a good idea. We're not doing it again because you guys can't focus. Anyway, well, anyway, thank you guys for watching. What we're gonna do is since we have no guests, we'll do a final four where we all make a statement, right? So I'll start off by saying we spoke a lot about a lot of different issues that you guys wanted to talk about, you know, most likely toxic traits within the community. But my final remark is that, you know, there are resources out there, you know, don't be afraid to use them. I think taking that first step is kind of the biggest thing that you need to do. Once you take that first step, it's a lot easier. Get out there, talk to somebody, anybody, just you know, just don't not talk, you know. Um make that first step, and I think your life can change from that point forward.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:02

And on the point of like, you know, if you have family uh who are very negative or uh, you know, say things that you don't really like and really get under your skin, the best thing to do, honestly, is to ignore them, right? And to really just like I said before, have a strong sense of self, have a strong sense of who you are. Um and people will always say things and you just can't let it affect you and can't let it uh really bother you.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:30

Just like what the uh NYPD says, right? If you see if you see something, say something. Isn't that the MTA? How's it MTA, bro? Is the NYPD Isn't it the NYPD on the MTA? Well on trains, buses, whatever, right? If you see something, say something. You know, never be scared to voice yourself, right? Yeah, you know, if you if you're going through something, call someone, text someone, all right? It's never the end of the world.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:55

And drinking is not always the end product, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:58

Right. I think for my final statement, I have to say, um don't don't listen to what anybody has to say. Somebody go on for another 10 minutes. Always go, or you know, if you have something, if you have your mindset on a gold, always pursue your gold. Don't listen to anybody. Um people are always trying to break you down, people are always trying to bring you down. They're always gonna do that because they're hating on what you're doing.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:25

If you fight for your dreams, your dreams will fight for you. I had a dream. Well, it's not Martin Luther King.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:31

Oh God, dude, let me guys, thank you so much. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:36

Appreciate it. We got next episode coming up chilling with us anyway.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:42

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SPEAKER_05 1:18:46

Also, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, also like, subscribe, and share and comment.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:52

Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Have a go on, guys. You guys are dumbass.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:01

Oh my gosh.