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EP 7 | The Hidden Health Impact of Breast Implants with Danielle Valoras

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Breast implants are often discussed from a cosmetic perspective, but what happens when they begin affecting a person’s health? In this eye-opening episode, Paula Nutting sits down with Danielle Velores to explore the growing concerns surrounding breast implant illness, chronic inflammation, and the challenges many women face in seeking answers.

Drawing from both her professional healthcare background and personal experience, Danielle shares her journey with breast implants, the health challenges that followed, and the path that ultimately led her to explant surgery and recovery. Together, Paula and Danielle discuss the signs therapists may observe in clients, the potential systemic effects of breast implants, and why awareness of these issues is becoming increasingly important within healthcare and bodywork communities.

The conversation explores inflammation, lymphatic health, chronic symptoms, patient advocacy, and the importance of listening to clients whose experiences may not fit neatly into conventional medical explanations. Danielle also shares insights into healing, recovery, and how therapists can better support individuals navigating complex health concerns.

This episode offers valuable insights for massage therapists, manual therapists, bodyworkers, healthcare practitioners, and anyone seeking a deeper understanding of breast implant illness and whole-body health.

In this episode:
• Understanding the growing conversation around breast implant illness
• Danielle’s personal journey with breast implants and explant surgery
• Common symptoms associated with breast implant illness
• Chronic inflammation and its impact on overall health
• The role of the lymphatic system in healing and recovery
• Why some women struggle to find answers for persistent symptoms
• Supporting clients experiencing complex health concerns
• Patient advocacy and informed healthcare decisions
• The importance of listening to lived experiences
• Recovery, healing, and restoring quality of life

Timeline Highlights:
01:02 – Danielle Valoras joins the conversation on breast implant illness and awareness.
03:58 – Danielle shares her personal journey with breast implants and declining health.
06:22 – The symptoms that led her to investigate breast implant illness.
07:06 – Why autoimmune conditions and inflammation may increase risk.
08:21 – Debunking common myths about implant rupture and safety.
09:37 – Understanding implant permeability and silicone “gel bleed.”
10:50 – New MRI research helping identify inflammatory responses.
12:04 – The role of inflammation, scar tissue, and capsule formation.
17:38 – Why complete explant procedures require specialist surgeons.
20:22 – The importance of lymphatic drainage and detoxification pathways.
22:13 – Simple lymphatic self-care techniques anyone can use.
28:32 – How fascia, posture, and breast implants may influence pain patterns.
36:43 – Common signs and symptoms therapists should watch for.
44:38 – Breast implants, pregnancy, and considerations for maternal health.
47:52 – Resources, support options, and practical next steps for those affected.
52:37 – Final advice for therapists and clients navigating breast implant illness.

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SPEAKER_01

Hello, hello everybody. It's so good to be here. It's Paula Nutting, your musculoskeletal specialist, and it's a pleasure to see you guys for our monthly Ask Me Anything catch-up. These monthly anything catch-ups are all about giving you, the therapists, or even people who are just interested followers, an opportunity to hear some of the peers and what they have to say about our industry and how we can help and nurture the patients and clients that are in our care. Today I'm really, really excited to be getting in touch with Danielle Valores, who I've actually met before when she was over in Australia to do to have a brief treatment from me, which was very, very exciting. She is someone who is passionate about the dangers of breast implants and what they actually do to the body. And I thought this was a really poignant thing to for us to be talking and unpacking because we either have a higher and higher incident of patients and clients that see us who do have breast implants, or in actual fact, many therapists that I know do actually have uh breast augmentation as well. So I would like you all to welcome and to have your questions ready to the fore and to type them into the chat box uh while Danielle explains um the dangers and the you know protocols that we can do for people who come in to see us where we suspect there might be inflammatory responses or dangers with breastplants. So, Danielle, come on board. It'll be great to see you again.

SPEAKER_00

Hello, Paula. Thank you for having me. It's it is great to see you actually. And we were just talking, I think it was 2018, and I had just explanted and had traveled to Australia to see Elizabeth Lambert, and she's a naturopath out of Brisbane, and then also you. And uh that's when I was first uh I have I keep waiting for you to come to the States again since COVID to teach Chapman's reflexes, right? But that that has a lot of um so much to say about that and connectivity and healing uh and helping me heal. So I appreciate that that time and then the continued friendship. So thank you.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, in fact, I think it was 2018 you came here, and then 2019 I was in um the UK and um God knows where, uh Ireland, and then I was supposed to come to see you in 2020 from South Africa for you guys to be teaching, and then pandemic. Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yes, so soon, hopefully.

SPEAKER_01

2023, I'm planning to try to get down to to Eric Dalton's uh conf course in uh Costa Rica, hopefully. So I'm gonna see if I can link everything up and catch up with you as well.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I just got back from Costa Rica, so I really love Costa Rica, it's a very healing place for me.

SPEAKER_01

So as much as I'd like to be talking for 45 minutes to an hour with Danielle about our adventures, I think I probably should introduce him probably and then we can get this going and find out how we can assist our clients and patients. So Danielle, give us some background on your journey with your what you are as a practitioner and maybe your own health journey.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, um, so I've been a PA since 1999, and in the US we're like liaisons, and we can have our own licensure and we can treat, see, diagnose, and treat patients. Um, but that was kind of on the back burner. In 2015, I had lost about 40 pounds. I was 48, and looked in the mirror and thought, you know, I just want to get a pair of breast implants and what are the risks? What are the problems with it? And I I went through, I did my research, and they were fine. And I saw different um plastic surgeons and came up with the the point that I was going to get um some implants, and I did, and within three months, I didn't know that it was the implants, but I wasn't getting, I didn't have the the robustness or the vitality in life. It just started to dwindle. And uh within the the next year and a half, like pain, lack of use in my left arm. Now everyone's symptoms are going to be different. Some of the key things are like hair loss, puffiness, weight gain, like edema, but not lymphedema, right? Um, anxiety and kind of a depression, which is not my personality, and then fatigue was amazing, amazing. Um, brain fog and all of that. And then finally I ex-planted, and I would say that improved about 70%, maybe 80%. And it it that's when I really knew after I ex-planted that wow, this has got to be the implants, right? Um, I was lucky because the physician I had gone to had taken out all the capsule and things like that. So from then on, I I had been studying functional medicine for a whole other reason. Family has a history of autoimmunity, which if you have a history of autoimmunity or your family members do autoimmunity, asthma, um, allergies, then I would I would say be careful with any implantable device, especially for cosmetic reasons like breast implants, right? Um and so that I I could not ignore it. And then I just dove into why, the the where, what, when, and how this happens to us. And I'm I don't know that I have all the answers, but there's a group of us uh that are committed to entering like a roundtable discussion to help people go through this journey and cause awareness so that way we don't have to take two years before more before we're diagnosed an explant.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, it's really interesting because we kind of presume that um it's because of leaking of the of the implant that there's uh pathologies and issues, but in this case, you're not saying that that's that's necessary at all.

SPEAKER_00

This this is the this is where I have to like always take a deep breath when this comes up. We know, we know, there's like the literature out there that ruptured implants, ruptured silicone implants are bad. We know that um they can cause autoimmunity or an immune response, or or or like people will arm wrestle over is it Asia, is it the silicone, is it the platinum, is it the metals, is it the chemicals, what is it, right? At the end of the day, what what is interesting is no matter if it's saline, no matter if it's silicone, that shell basically is becomes permeable. So what happens in the shell, which is made of silicone, is that they the when you let's back up a little bit. To make an implant, you have to have different um consistencies of silicone to make the shell, it has to be kind of hard, kind of protective, kind of like let's keep the contents inside. In order to do that, you have to cross-link it with things like platinum and tin, so it becomes hard, but all of it doesn't get connected, so those kind of begin to fall off and fall away, and the shell becomes permeable. Basically, the shell is permeable right out of the box, or in the box, it's permeable. In the old days, they used to have to put like a I'm simplifying a paper towel because the silicone would leak out and it would feel greasy. So they put a paper towel or an absorbent little patch so that way you can't tell. So it's it's leaking straight away. The saline ones too, it's the shell that does this thing. And then you leak this stuff into your body from day one. You can look at for the geeks out there, um, you can look up something called the summary of safety um effectiveness data sheet. It's called an SSED, and they'll tell you about something called gel bleed. Yep. Yeah, but it's not because of the gel in the gel silicone implants or gummy bears, it's the gel of the shell. You can see I'm already getting like red. I get so talking about this stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Which someone's got to be talking about it because otherwise it just slips under the under the radar, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00

Like yeah, but there's good news, right? So it's not all um sadly, every implant does the that, and and what we have now, thanks to a doctor by the name of Eduardo Flore out of Sao Paulo, Brazil, he's a um oncology radiologist, MD PhD, who has studied MRI's imaging. And so for us people with implants, you can get a breast MRI. There's there's a caveat, you there's with contrast and without contrast. We'll cover that in just a minute. But you get a breast MRI with implants, and you can, if you have something called a silicone-induced granuloma within that breast implant um capsule, right? So you have the implant, then your body protects you from that implant right away and builds scar tissue or a capsule. And there's if you have what they this granuloma that develops, then you know you have an inflammatory process that your body's reacting to. And there's data, he has publications we can provide that if people want it. But if you have this on MRI, then this inflammatory inflammatory cascade and any naturopath or functional medicine provider or integrative medicine, the first thing we're gonna do to help you is decrease the inflammation or or have you do lifestyle changes to help yourself decrease the inflammation. But if this is a constant thing, then you know where potentially the root is, right? So then you can have the implant removed and um and the capsule. I would remove all the capsule. That's my advice to people who who ask me.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's interesting. So actually remove that capsule, that the the the body's response, that capsule.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Well, it it's there to um protect, not protect, well, yeah, to protect you from the implant. So it's the catcher's mitt. Yeah, right. And so hopefully, genetically, you can give a good catcher's mitt or make a good catcher's mitt. Some people over make the catcher's mitt, and it becomes what they call contracture or a baker's four, and then you have the deformity where one might be up and one might be down, and like it's it and it can be painful, and that's a contracture, right? But then some of us don't make a capsule so easily. Why is that? So we're still looking into that. I don't have all the answers. Is it genetics? You know, there's there's different things, but it's I want to make sure we're all clear. It's not your genetics that cause the trouble, it's the elective procedure called breast implants in this case, right? Sometimes you have to get a pacemaker or hips or knees, and your body's gonna respond immunology, immunological ways to do what it needs to do to protect you and keep that joint moving, keep the muscles going, keep you safe, try to decrease the inflammation, right? And that's what the scar tissue is. And in breast implants, we call it a capsule, right? Yeah, wow, I said can go all the way up to here and all the way down to here, right? And what's what's right here, right? The brachial plexus, the lymphatics, the like oh the and you think of lymphatics and the drainage and the oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And I'll I'm being I'm talking to Gil Hedley next month. He's our fascial, the fascial buzz guy. So yeah, um it's just making the those capsules that they're like a they're a deep, like as in connective tissue, so it's almost got a fascial weave, it's it's a structural fascial weave.

SPEAKER_00

Your body uh is amazing, and in fact, I I got an up, I had an opportunity to see Gil in Charlotte, and he had an example of a breast implant. Oh yeah, well, uh an uh a cadaver with a breast implant. Uh, and it was amazing what your body does to accommodate what we do to it. I mean, it's amazing from a cellular level to a fascial level. It it blows my mind. Um, what they used to do when you had that capsule of contracture is smack you and break it so you'd have freedom to move and in a you know, versus the constricture, but I digress.

SPEAKER_01

Sorry. And interesting because we've just got a comment from uh Regina who's saying, I'm glad this is getting discussed in Australia. She's found a lack of support in Melbourne and um and uh and uh around BLL and more specifically around removing the whole capsule because there's a reluctance to remove it if it's adhered to the rib.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Regina, hi. I I I think it's uh somebody I know, and this is uh uh branch chain amino acids. Much earlier than coffee. Yeah, well, it's it's seven plus here, so um, yeah, I think she meant a BII, so implant illness, uh huh. And there is, you know, it's appropriate to be concerned about removing the capsule from the posterior wall, which is is I I should have like little, you know, netter here, right? Which is right up on the ribs, and you got a rib, then you have intercostal space, and then you have a rib, and then you have intercostal space. And it's it's what is I don't know if you can see that, what is that like a couple of millimeters? I mean, it's not even a whole centimeter thick, you know. If you're lucky, you have a centimeter, but that scalpel blade or the electrocottery to to take that off is is not as delicate as in between that rib space. So it's not necessarily the rib, it's what happens between the two ribs. And if you dent that or stab that or accidentally slip that, because that capsule, one, it's sometimes hard to see, two, it's um it's it's it's calcified, it's hard. You have to really be aware, but you can go through that, and what's right under there is either the lung, like literally your lung, or the cardiac, the the heart, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you've got all your pleura, like you've got you've got all that plural space, you've got you know, you've got the capacity to to actually just puncture that and then create a pneumothorace or hype pneumothrase, there's there's a mile of stuff there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so you want to go to someone who specializes in this X plant because they then are trained and then the risk goes down greatly. Um if if um we like to say in in the uh X-plant world, remove it all in one. Take the capsule out and the implant out together because you don't know if it's ruptured until you get in. You can read the statistics, um, but there's silent ruptures, and you don't even know that it's ruptured. And now we know that it leaks since in the box, and then in your body, it leaks some more. So you want to just take it out as a package. Some people call that end block, and some people call that one and done, some people call that a total capsulectomy all in one or a precise capsulectomy.

SPEAKER_01

So it's interesting because um Regina's just saying that she's got experiences pain in her ribs at the back, and considered that the remaining capsule is doing what is doing to the body. But for me, I'm my my brain goes to the Chapman's reflex work because we know that pain in the back is quite often because we've got defense pattern closed out of the anteroid, and just by stimulating, like just getting in it and stimulating that whole area. And remember, we I think we did that with you, and then the central lineup through the shoulders, and really cleared a lot of that back pain because we're actually opening it the front. So maybe, Regina, if you're a Melbourne girl, I might be able to find someone who is a does chapman's down there that can maybe do some assessment and assistance.

SPEAKER_00

That might be really great, and the sympathetic chain runs right under every rib. So if that is at all tight, how are you releasing? How are you even breathing? Like you think about taking the full breath, or like a lot of so when we have silicone in our symptoms in our system, and anyone who has breast implants does, it's how do you how do you function with it is the other question. But um, it it goes through your your whole body and the lymphatics dumps into the liver, yeah, and then the GI tract, hopefully, and then you can excrete it, right? But and and uh I just was reading with two articles that low molecular weight silicone, you can actually expel it through your breath. So breath work is is also beneficial, but also what is it it expands your your intercostal space, which then decreases your sympathetic overdrive and helps you with parasympathetic, right? So sorry.

SPEAKER_01

I know, but it's but it's and and I I get your passion because it is it's a passionate, passionate topic, you know, it's all connected, yeah. So you're talking about lymph, and we know that lymph is gonna is gonna be a big way to clear this, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And you'll so if I if it uh depending on who's listening, right? Like if you're a therapist, open the drainage pathways. Open every time you see anyone, open the drainage pathways, lymph, liver, kidneys, like so. I've had the pleasure to learn uh through the baral teachings and the chickley teachings on lymph and then viscera, right? Like open up the drainage pathways from a functional medicine integrative uh position, open up the drainage pathways. You know, if you're not if you're constipated, don't don't think about detox until you can go to the am I allowed to say poop or go to the bathroom, right? You can even say crapper, crapper, right? Like if you're not going two to three times a day, like kind of formed stools, then you your detoxification or one of the drainage pathways is inhibited. If you're not sweating, your drainage pathway is inhibited. Many BII people don't sweat, their mitochondrial mitochondria are dysfunctional, right? So that should be like it it blows my mind how people say, oh, I need a detox, detox. No, nutrient-rich support the system and open up the drainage pathways, get the liver working.

SPEAKER_01

So, Danielle, the if if we've got people here who are listening in that aren't therapists, can you show a simple? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And even for therapists who maybe haven't done uh manual lymphatic drainage. Is there some you can um that's right, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00

Uh so you have a collarbone here, right? Like that hard bone right here. Literally, you it just this is it, right? The left side is the main this is left cross, yeah. Yeah, main port left side, 80, you know, 70, 80 percent of the lymph goes through there. And it all it comes up from your feet up to here. So just tapping here, you can tap here, you can however you want to tap, it can be light, literally just doing this will help.

SPEAKER_01

And how long do you get them to do that for?

SPEAKER_00

Um, I do it every morning for wait, let me just try to like I just tap five times, and when I'm stressed, I'll do it a little bit more, and then sometimes I'll this is first. Oh, you and you uh Perry Nichols Nickels. Um stop chasing pain. He has some great lymph mojo workshop, too. That is easy. Down through here, yeah. And then um right below the the sternum and that that xiphoid process where the ribs are here. I'll I'll just tap. Sometimes that can make me feel a little nauseous, so I might just rub. But honestly, those are the the main things you can rebound, you can dry brush, you can do, but for me, the tapping works and breath work. No, I don't even, it's not even work, you know, like make your lungs just expand. Some of us are gonna expand like this, some of us are gonna expand like this, just breathe deep, and that's really great. When you um uh there's the your armpit here, yeah, some of us might have um it might feel full, some might have lumps, right? Like I should have wear a tank top. Uh this this pec, your pec major, right? This I don't know you don't need to grab it or anything, but just just be gentle, be nourishing, right? That's that's limp. It doesn't even have to be that hard, it can just be very gentle. And um, and I do both sides, and then I'll just tap. I I actually already feel better. The autonomic response should be fairly quickly, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that that deregulation of sympathetic and upregulation of sympath of parasympathetic.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. So we can all nap now. It's early for you guys. But the lymph is is a big deal, just keep it moving. You know, those who have like the severe BII and haven't explanted yet, or even have explanted and still, movement is hard, and breath can be hard and challenging because inhale can cause anxiety for some and exhale for some. Just do what you can and think 360 with the breath, right? And um, and and that sh that will be enough for you. Like you can't get it wrong. It doesn't matter the square breath, the triangle breath, the holding the breath. Just deep breathe where you're at.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, such a good call because that's the whole thing. The more that you put anxiety on someone taking a breath, all right, you have to breathe in through this way and and out and do that, then you you're just creating um cortisol. Yeah, and stress. Stress mark is up. I always try to say, um, just be in a good space, but quite a while ago, lie down on your back, bend your knees, because that's a nice simple way to do it, and stick one of these things on your tummy right there, and breathe in and feel feel it lifting. But maybe you forgot about the electricals, right? Like, oh something else, but like yeah, um anything, anything that maybe not that it's just that everyone who normally comes to you will always have one of these, yeah. And if you've got a cover, then at least you don't it's just to get the feel of where breath comes from, and that that's one of the simplest ways. Perry also talks about putting one hand underneath your bottom and bringing your hand across and hanging on here, so you're actually oh, when you're having anxiety, that's great. Wait till you want to take a breath because it forces you to breathe here because you're closing the capacity for your upper lungs, your apical breathing by doing that.

SPEAKER_00

So that's awesome because I'll hold the lateral sides and have people take a breath in, and I'll follow it on the first one. Most people know I'm gonna trick them, right? And then on the exhale for them, I'm holding in as not this tight, but as tight as I can. So when they go for the inhale again, like it's restricted. So when I let go, it's bigger for them, right? Yeah, yes, that's right. That releases even the so when you look at the colon, which is a big deal also for BII, the viscera, the the abdomen is is so much sympathetic overdrive, even though the afferent pathways are like four to one going to the brain, but we're so uptight and on fire and inflamed. Um, when you hold this area, and and when you can find rest in that area, and holding someone in these uh the upper quadrants of really where the ascending colon meets the, I mean, excuse me, the transverse colon meets the ascending and the descending. When you can hold this area uh and breathe into that, that relaxes and I uh that seems to really induce some peristalsis later on in the day, not right then and there, right? So there's so much to say.

SPEAKER_01

I don't even but it's always for us to help remove the the the toxins. Yeah. Now another one that you were talking about was uh looking at at uh Carla Stecko, because she I think you were talking about your breast implant health summit.com coming in on 21 to 23 October. The links will be down there, guys. Uh, but possibly Carla Stecko is talking on fascia. Talk to me about what you think uh the links that how how working with fascia can can help our people with breast implants illness.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, if we keep it as simple as the scar tissue, yeah, it's not linear, right? Like you you get cut, well, depending on how you had them implanted around the areola, the armpit, underneath the breast. Um, for me, I had it under the muscle, which sits on top of pec minor, which is right on top of your rib cage in the intercostal space, right? So that causes just you breathe, that you get friction, you stand up, you got friction. They cut the anyone who has uh under the muscle, they'll cut the pec major so you make space for that implant, right? I almost both duty of care, irresponsible surgical procedures. So, what I hope um, you know, should should her schedule allow, what I hope she provides is how to connect the dots. How does that make the rounded shoulder which causes the neck pain? How many people with implants have neck pain or arm pain or that kind of thing? So when you block this area, this is such an important area for us. It's the brachial plexus, it's made specifically to be fluid, to do different dynamics from the arm, for the thorax, for the back, for the shoulders, for the so much. So many of us with implants become, I'm gonna call it trap dominant or hyper-vigilant in the up, right? Some of us are rounded too. I mean, thanks to the cell phone and the things, and so we no longer take the lats and engage them and go down. And I know, and I can't wait for to take my chapman's reflexes, but the course, because I like it would be great to be able to have some sort of neural uh like hint so your body can do this, but we become so accessory nerve dominant, which is right by the vagus nerve. So whether it's the vagus nerve, which we have so many gut issues with BII and stress, anyone with stress can have this. Then we we irritate the accessory nerve, which then also does this. So it's kind of it's twofold, it's never just one thing. So Carla will talk about the the thorax and the brachial plexus and how this is all wrapped in fascia because it's not like it's oh, here's your muscle, here's the fascia, here's the nerve, here's the artery. It it all works together. So if things can't slide, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And they can't slide. How can they possibly slide when you've got a capsule that your body's building to protect the body from some foreign object that starts leaking the second that it enters the body?

SPEAKER_00

And then you think about all the the physi well, the physios out there listening in the manual therapist, like you put weight on your body that your body wasn't designed to hold, right? And so they talk in CCs, like 560, I think is maybe a total. If you have 560 each, that might be a total of three pounds or 3.3. That's a lot when you talk about head tilt, right? Like I'm I'm I'm a PA. Like I do the cellular stuff and I do some osteopathy, but I know I saw a chart somewhere where when you have this head tilt, your head in this position is like 70 pounds, head in this is 50, head here is something, something. But when you have implants, you just put three pounds on you, which might be in your head like 50 to 70 pounds, right? Or some N.

SPEAKER_01

Like and and for those people who are manual therapists who see young girls, or like I have quite a few people that I treat who've had to have breast augmentations because their natural breast size has been, you know, double double J, and you know, these massive weight, and you know, the bra strap is is trapping down across the brachial plexus and and you know, just inhibiting that whole space. What's happening with your lymphatic flow when it's catching down there and they're forward and they're embarrassed, so they're even more forward. Yeah, they have this whole problem with with these gorgeous young things who are um who just should should have free breast augmentation. I mean, when you think about the public health that you know, anyone who's who is in pain with that kind of uh body stature with that size breast should should, in my opinion, governments uh have reconstruction, uh have have have removed.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um, what's interesting, and it always strikes home with me, is when I had the implants, I went to get a second opinion to a female plastic surgeon. And no word of a lie. I went in and I thought, okay, okay, because if it's not my breast implants, what is it? Let me let me do the things to help myself. And she was like, Um, I don't think it's your breast implants causing you the neck pain or the shoulder pain or the ability not to move my left arm. Um, I it might it's got to be something else. And I was like, Well, what do people who have large breasts come in and they have a breast reduction, right? Augmentation is what the implants or reduction would be to remove the things. And she goes, Well, they usually have arm pain or neck pain or shoulder pain. And I'm like, This is what I'm complaining about, and these are about a year old, a year and a half old. Do you think it's the breast implants? She said, No. And I'm like, Okay, all right, right. So I'm I'm like, uh, you know, I have brain fog, I have full-blown BII symptoms at the time. I'm doing my best. And I'm just like, okay. Like, literally, just left like that. As I was leaving the door, she writes, writes down on a prescription pad a place where I could buy brasiers, bras that would support me. She goes, I wear these during surgery so I don't have pain in my hands, and I can continue the surgery for you know, four to eight hours a day. And I I just looked at her and I had these large crocodile tears just fall down my face, and just was like, I don't, I honestly can't like that. Is what happened any more than that would be like assumptions, but I was just like, what just happened? And I so I knew I needed to explant, and people are just in their own little context and narrative. And and when I removed, I wouldn't say everything, like the numbness that I had in my left hand didn't go away right away. I had manual therapy uh to help with that. And um, but as my autonomic nervous system calmed, I retrained the muscles to do what I like them to do versus them doing what they thought they needed to do on their own. And and life has been good uh for me.

SPEAKER_01

So so you told us of your symptom picture. What is and and you know, I thank you so much for this because this there's probably I hope that there'll be people that'll listen to this, Danielle, and go, do you know what? Everything she's saying is me, and I've been wondering all this time what is why am I doing this? What is happening to me, and have no control on themselves. And this is a big and important story that you are offering. So I do thank you very much because I know there's an emotional component to the trauma that you've suffered. How can we help other people with what BII symptoms? Now you said the ones that you had, but what are some of the other symptoms that people might go? Oh my god, that's me.

SPEAKER_00

Um I'm trying to think of my clients. By the time I see the clients, um they have a lot of um issues. I'm not familiar with Pika like auto, like people people present people's um let me let me let me share a little bit. Like um, again, it's a little bit more uh from myself, but I feel like I'm fairly typical. I I was 48, so menopause is right there, or perimenopause is right there, yeah. So I assumed my lack of energy was me going through the change. So did all my providers, right? And I'm 55 now, and energy, yeah. I need I go to bed, you know, at 10 and I wake up at six or seven, but I have energy now, that vitality, that zest, like it could be many things. And if you have breast implants, there are like there's a lady by the name of Mel Robbins who had the textured implants. She wasn't feeling bad, she had no to her standards, no BII symptoms, but they were recalled. The textured is a is another conversation that can cause lymphoma, which is called BIA A L C L. Right. And so they anyway, that's that might be another day or day, but she she didn't know they were recalled because they didn't, it's not like when your car has their brakes recalled that you get a notice, like you find out however you find out. So she ended up having an X plant and um with uh uh a well-versed X planting physician. And when she woke up, she was like, Wow, I feel really great, but we all think maybe it's the anesthesia, right? But she decreased her ADHD medicine, and she had a lot more um like vitality and and energy, and she's like, Oh my god, I didn't know what I was missing. She didn't have BII, but her implants were removed and she had all this energy and still does today. So, what is this? It's a load our body has to deal with. And if you are not eating a certain way and replacing what you're depleting for dealing with all this catcher's emit silicone making all the things, then then your body eventually can become in trouble, let alone what genetics you have. So it is a load that we have to deal with, and it can present very insidious, right? It's like if you think of someone with autoimmunity, it usually takes them 10 years to become diagnosed with chogrin's lupus, um uh ankylos, ankylosing spondylitis, or you know, like these diseases. You don't have like it's not like one day you don't have the disease and then you do, like diabetes, right? Like there's a process to hypertension, it's a process to autoimmunity. And BII is the same way. So when clients come to me and they already have their autoimmune designation, yeah, then you know it's it's harder. If you've had your implants in longer and your catchment wasn't so good, then you know, then we're we're still doing the same things and getting replenishing and getting the drainage pathways open. And for most, once those drainage pathways are open, natural um naturopaths, functional medicine, integrative medicine, they should all know how to do this, right? Um, and for many BII people, they're constipated now, regardless of why. That's one major drainage pathway. If you're not digesting, this is mouth to bottom is one drainage pathway, and then making sure you're digesting to assimilate and get the nutrition and things like that. So, so I don't know. I mean, there's a list we can post from hair loss to fatigue to brain fog to dry skin to rashes to puffiness to edema to hypertension that you never had before, depression that you never had before, exacerbating depression if you've had depression before, anxiety. I mean, it it looks like life has just like you can't manage life anymore. Like for some of us, it becomes debilitating, right? Um some of that anxiety is is probably exacerbates because then you don't know what's going on, so then your anxiety levels and then you go to the doctor and they say, Oh, it's not that, but hair, if you use this supportive device, the weight would be helped, but it's not your breast implants. Like you get this, and how it lands is that um, like my plastic surgeon, he now knows he didn't know before, right? So we're all learning, but they don't know. My primary care was like, Oh, they look great, like it can't be your breast implants. The orthopedic guy went, like they thought they they were working me up for an aneurysm because I had exertional migraines versus the weight of the implants. I haven't had an exertional migraine since, so no aneurysm here, right? Like it people just don't know. So if land's like gaslighting a little bit, like and you feel crazy, like, well, if it's if they're saying it's not this, then it can't be this, but it is this, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It's just outrageous. Um, I've got a uh someone I know very close to me who had gets rashes around right, and so like as a practitioner, before but if she had like it's you before all of this, oh maybe it's yeast, maybe it's your deodorant, maybe it's your you know, perfume lotion that you put on. And playing with deodorants right now, playing it's not, yeah, maybe it's my deodorant, I'm not using diet deodorant anymore, and then every now and then I get stressed, and then it comes back up and it's really itchy sometimes, and then there's rashes, uh kind of and other spaces now, but they're all in areas where the lymph stagnates, so it's at top of groin, armpip.

SPEAKER_00

I was just reading today. There is uh an article, I think, from 2017 on a buttock augmentation and uh silicone migration to the groin from there and the hyperpigmentation and the rashes. So listen, any foreign object in our body causes an immune response, specifically breast implants is uh endocrine disruptor, methylation disruptor, autonomic nervous system disruptor. You know, um when you look at the autopsies that they've done on ruptured implants, you can find the silicone everywhere from brain to gut, the majority in the gut, which is a good news for us. You keep things moving, breath, lymph, like manual lymph therapy, visceral, even manual, just manual therapy is a is a good thing, right? Um yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So this this same person I'm thinking about is pregnant. How does that like the center? Does it is there a safety net there that's protecting that that little embryo as it's climbing into babyhood?

SPEAKER_00

Like this so I tend to like to speak speak to the data, and we need more data. What I do know is the mom and the baby share everything. So including silica. Yeah, anything that's in the mom's system will be in the baby's system. No matter what. The food they eat, the silicone, the platinum, the tin, whatever it it is, they share. Lands in the baby now, babies are phenomenal and they're growing and they can adapt very well. And there are some reports of uh you know, we need a we need a big study, right? So breastfeeding the compromises the immune system that the mom has, the baby needs, right? So we are passing everything through this area in which the lymphatics are very rich. There's so much ideally fat here, like you want that there, and you're passing that on to the baby. And there's reports of silicone in breast milk. Um, you know, so keep keep it moving, but like we're learning how to bind it, we're learning how to process it. Um it that's a that's a rough question.

SPEAKER_01

Sorry, sorry, especially we've only got like maybe five minutes left. Yeah, but because it's it's a personal, it it's something quite close to me. But I'm just my brain's going, well, maybe even just before feeding is just getting in there and and moving some of that lymph so we're getting a fresh mobile mobilized before we start to think, you know, like don't have data, and maybe expelling the first little bit might be beneficial.

SPEAKER_00

We don't know. And at the end of the day, making sure the baby is fed and healthy, and I still think, and you know, people might be all like uh yelling at me at this. I still think mother's milk is uh more beneficial with or without there's that firstborn is gonna get the bigger hit, no matter what we have. There's data on that, right? And and just love and you know, a good naturopath, functional medicine, integrative physician will will know how to help that baby grow. And they're they're brilliant.

SPEAKER_01

They are brilliant, they are absolutely brilliant. Um, so I'm trying to think there's I wanted to make sure that we covered things. I'm not gonna talk about Chapman's with the uh the way we work on the lymphatic this because I know that it works, but that's a that's a whole kettle of fish, and that's not you, that's me. Yeah, and I want to learn it, so next time, yes. Um, but if um I really want people to realize that they can they can actually get to your uh your conference, your summit, and it's a webinar, right? So it's a three-day webinar.

SPEAKER_00

It is. Is it Friday, Saturday, Sunday in October? Like Friday evening, full day Saturday, geared for practitioners of every sort. Sunday will be uh really geared to the the someone who has breast implants and wants to know what to do with it. It's 2022 and we have MRIs now, we have great awareness teams. Practitioners are becoming more and more aware. There's help out there. Like, so if you're already sick, like I I don't want to leave this like a fear-driven thing. Yeah, there are um there not necessarily protocols in place, but there are things we can do and educate and and breathe and go through this. And should you have SigBIC, you know, should you have these things, then there are things that we can do, and there are plenty of people. Australia's has a great advocacy. Uh uh, there's a Professor Diva and uh Robin Smith is head of the advocacy there in Australia. Like there's some oh, maybe I'll give you that information. So we can look at that.

SPEAKER_01

Is it D-E-V-A?

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yeah, he's a plastic surgeon.

SPEAKER_01

So if if if you've got if we've got people who are listening here who might have breast implants on a sudden, and again going, that sounds like me, that sounds like me, but I am broke, I don't have the money to have a um de implanted, yeah, explanted. What's what is what are some small things that they can do to help them until they can?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, gently and and wonderfully open up your drainage pathways, poop two, three times a day. Tap, right? Um, if you can afford, uh I like to do something called organic acid testing to see how my mitochondria are doing, to see how I'm digesting, to see how what I'm doing with fats, carbohydrates, like support your system this way. Organic acid testing. Yep. And you get that from a naturopath or help. Naturopath, uh functional medicine integrative practitioner. I actually went to Australia to uh to learn about all this stuff, right? And Brisbane. So um, yeah, so Australia is rich in this, so nutrient-rich, make sure you're digesting, make sure you're pooping, sweating, peeing. Um, and those things should help. Um, there's a way to, I have many clients, not many, but a good bit of clients who choose to keep their implants. Reconstruction after cancer and when you have a family is you know a challenge. So there's there's ways to support yourself and what you choose. I kind of call that biohacking, but like there's there's there's ways to facilitate, right? Um and uh yeah, it it it can be expensive.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So even just if you've recently had an implant, or yeah, I don't even know how recent, but even if you can just take that, like do some self-mobilizing, move move the the breast, maybe to actually keep it keep keep the like you know, any scar tissue, as long as it's mobile, and if we're doing passive mobile work, like you obviously can't do active breast movement.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I would keep this area just to the breath because we don't know what the the movement, okay, you know, if you have textured or the different things, yeah, but you know, moving with uh normal movement, I think would be good. But if you have implants and you're curious, yeah, um Eduardo Florey, he's on the breast implant health summit uh website. He reads for the silicone-induced granuloma. Right now, I don't know of anyone in Australia who does, and we're we're teaching people that at this summit, radiologists, how to read for SIGBIC. Um, but if you have SigBIC, then saving the money to have X plant may be of best interest. If you don't, you might have bought yourself a couple of years, but have that MRI. And when you have SIGBIC, all that means is it's big enough that you can see it on an MRI. That doesn't mean you didn't have it before, it's just now you can see it and now you should do something about it, right? Okay.

SPEAKER_01

So well, that's giving some people some really good tips and ideas, and it also helps with massage surplus when you're taking history or natural paths or whoever listening to this, uh, when you're taking history with new clients and patients, that you might go, these are some of the warning signs that may not be just not getting well, or they're not holding uh like they feel great when they get off the table, but three hours later they're still in pain, like chiropractic adjustment for me and my clients.

SPEAKER_00

Like when you're inflamed, you're not gonna hold that peace for a long time, right? And so, like when you've tried everything and there's what else is left, it's a diagnosis of exclusion and an X plant right now.

SPEAKER_01

So, yeah, yeah, wow. Danielle, thank you so much for coming. I am absolutely truly blessed. This is one of the the most amazing little ask me any things that uh I've had the opportunity to talk to because it is a you're amazing and interesting, and B, it's it's something that is really um really, really important for people nowadays, especially because every every second girl is getting get you know that peer pressure, you know, wow, I better get breast implants because all my girlfriends have them, and you know, and I can go to Thailand and get them all get them really, really cheaply.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, Brazil, Philippine, like like it's just it's becoming uh more and more commonplace, though though I have to say was an X plant and go to a physician who knows what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01

Please don't go to Brazil or oh no, they're the implanters, right?

SPEAKER_00

Like it's it's it's very yeah. And there are good doctors there as well.

SPEAKER_01

So don't it's there are there are, but you want to specialize someone who's actually specializes in X plants if you're gonna go down that process that process, yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Thank you all very much. Thank you so much. Um hang around when we go so I can say thank you again. But everybody, don't forget that this link is going to be sent over to Danielle's website and she can hold it in her on her Facebook groups and Facebook page and wherever. This is going to be on the YMS group for a couple of months, and then it's going to be dropped down into my membership portal to be housed and kept for those people who are uh part of the membership program, and I'll be throwing it up onto a podcast in the next few weeks. Anyway, thanks everyone for coming, Danielle. Thank you so much. It's been an absolute ripper pleasure, and we'll see you again soon. Thank you. See ya bye.