Episode 2: Fun With Roommates (feat. Stephanie Wang)

In this episode (which is a bit of a departure from the normal format), Mary, Sharisse, and their friend Stephanie tell stories of old, crazy roommates from their younger days.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Let's see. Okay. All right. Welcome. Welcome back. This is the second episode of Relatively Well. I'm Cherie Sarunian. I'm Mary Vote. And today we're going to talk about roommate stories. And hopefully we'll have a friend joining us later who also has some pretty insane roommate stories, too. Um, but Mary, is there anything you want to say or anything you want to tell us, Mary?

SPEAKER_03 0:30

Or um, well, before we hit record, I uh admitted that I had taken two mushroom gummies. So we're gonna see we're gonna see how this goes.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Uh, next time we just do like a dual yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

They're great, honestly. Um, they're by a company called Plant People. Um this is not sponsored. Uh and but maybe someday it would be great. Um they have two types that I've tried, and it's uh Wonder Sleep, which is the sleep one, and then there's WonderCon. Um, and they're both great.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

Yep. But I highly recommend them. Um just needs to like get taken down a notch and unwind, they're they're great. They don't really get you high. I notice with the sleep ones, um they have a tendency to like kind of make you not slur your speech, but like you just get a little like kind of light, dreamy, like kind of that feeling before you go into a deep sleep. It's nice, but yeah, so we're we're gonna see how I fare on this episode.

SPEAKER_04 1:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Is it like I mean, I don't know. Well, that's good to know because I remember when I I don't know if I talked about this in the first episode, but when I was on a medical marijuana pill, I like I'm not the kind of person I think does very well with recreational substances, like it just incapacitated me for hours. So I couldn't have it in like settings where I needed it, like work or some, you know, things like that. So, but that doesn't sound as intense.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

So no, it's not. Um, I actually highly recommend them. I so I had a pretty like iffy period with insomnia uh like before I came back to New Hampshire from New York um for about a week, and I was pretty desperate. I was like, I gotta find something that works for me. Um, and so I tried another gummy, and it was kind of more of a clinical feeling, like it just it just sort of knocked me out. People have been recommending Lemmy Sleep, which is like the Courtney Kardashian one, but I was a little afraid because anyone I heard who's taken them said they took it and they ended up sleeping for like 14 hours, like it put them in a coma. I'm like, I need like a middle ground. Yeah, it's like it's just that's too intense. Um so yeah, I think I found them, but um yeah, insomnia's not for the weak, it's scary. Uh yeah, but you but you sound like you've had kind of a mixed experience with things like marijuana.

SPEAKER_01 3:33

Yeah, I don't, I mean, it was for the CVS, and I only use it four times. Like it it helped me not throw up, but it was just way too um, way too incapacitated and coming down from it was kind of a nightmare. Oh, I I did talk about it because I talked about the magical mystery tour album playing in my head at 3 a.m. But it's um I don't know. I'm yeah, I don't know. I'm I'm also like not the kind of person who like, for example, when I drink, um I don't drink that much anymore because the kidney stone. I was never a heavy drinker to begin with. I drink maybe like once every couple months, like as a social thing. But even when I did, I I never I never get to the point of being hungover or blackout because I fall asleep, like naturally, not blackout sleep by like my third drink or something.

SPEAKER_03 4:25

Yeah, so I just get very calm, but no, like this is going into a whole other topic that I don't think we fully plan for.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

Um yeah, no, I'll I'll be back on track, but no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 4:39

Um, I like I mean, I enjoy talking about like uh substances and like how they plan to mental health and stuff like that. I think the one thing that um I've certainly struggled with, and I know other people have as well, is like where's that line between it being um kind of a health, like not even a healthy coping mechanism, but a coping mechanism and like a problem, you know, and that's something where like you have to kind of it it can teeter that line sometimes, but anyway, that's another time.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

That's another time. Let's go into the roommate story. So um I only really had them when I was in college, um but it's so it's been a while. But Mary, do you want to start with the roommate story?

SPEAKER_03 5:30

Yeah, so um I am not gonna say his name. Yeah, we're not using names, yeah, or any identifying characteristics because I'm still friends with him and he's a wonderful person. Um, but there was one time I had a roommate, uh my first place in New York, um, and I had left like underwear out in the bathroom. Nice. And I you know, like I didn't think about it. Like I just I think I was probably in a rush somewhere just left it out. Um and he was like the first time he was like, Yeah, your underwear is in the bathroom, can you grab it? And then I think it happened accidentally a second time, and like you gotta do something about this underwear for being out in the bathroom like this is really uncomfortable for me. And I was like, hey man, you know, like uh you live with a woman, uh, you know, but I get it, like, and I was a little more aware of me leaving stuff like that out. Um but I think like my biggest thing, so at that time I was had a partner, a long-term partner, and it was like the having SIGs part of like having a roommate and you're in a relationship was like really, really hard to navigate. Um, especially because like our bedrooms were right next to each other. Um and it was like I know that he hurt us, like I know for a fact. Like probably liked it. He enjoyed it. He broke maybe, you know what, if that probably good for him. Um, but that was always kind of uncomfortable to to navigate. Um, and he was like a single guy, and I also kind of felt like we were doing doing it at him unintentionally. Doing it at him, like the way you huh. Like, like I I I think he might have felt at times that we were doing it at him because he was single and we were like, oh, that's like uh we're a couple that's like you know, um, but I don't know how you like I don't know how people navigate that because that was tough.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Um, especially when you're a couple, like you kind of want your own space, but yeah, yeah, that's gotta be hard, especially, and I I guess it sounds kind of awkward to have I've only had female roommate well, I had one that was a a trans male roommate, but like um having someone who's of the opposite sex as a roommate must be I don't know that I feel like there's potential for I don't know something. Was it ever awkward?

SPEAKER_03 8:23

Like, was there any kind of like tension or yeah, I mean sometimes um like if it was like the next day and like I know for a fact he heard it, like it was yeah, it was uncomfortable. I think after a while though, we kind of we got used to it and we were also like a little more mindful as time went on, like as to like noise level, right? Like you don't want to like you know, um but no, he was a great roommate, honestly. Um I'm fortunate in the fact that my first and hopefully last roommate experience was not a total um shit show because I've I've just heard absolute nightmare stories.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Um I've got a couple myself. I'm gonna, yep, and I'm gonna tell them. Well, so most of mine um fortunately were great. I had I think five roommates, and um, four of them were great. 80%, you know, that's that's pretty good as far as roommate odds go. I'm still kind of friends with one of them. Like I haven't um I guess reached out to them in a while, but um, we were tight as can be. There was one though, and oh my, this person was um, I'm not sure if they actually went to college for the right reasons. It did first of all, like they they never went to class, but that was another thing. So things started out fine. Um, this roommate was this was the one who was the trans male roommate, and we started out as friends, like everything was good. Um, he introduced me to some of his friends, and everything was great. And the thing is that um they had a thing where they would bring like friends over when I wasn't there, and that was totally fine. Um, you know, these are people that I kind of knew too, so it was whatever. But it started to become like a constant thing. Like I would come in the middle of the night and I would see somebody lying in my bed, somebody, maybe someone that I knew or didn't know, and I was like, all right, whatever, what are we gonna do? That's where you draw the line. Absolutely. So there was that, and it was um, but I kind of like dealt with it. I was like, whatever, until um, because I was like, go home for the weekend sometime and things like that. But the the the biggest issue is when the girlfriend came into play. So there's a girlfriend involved, and we were, you know, all friendly at first, and things kind of started to take a bit of a turn um when they basically started taking over like the stuff that I had to do. Um, so this is what happened. Like, this was the final thing that like caused everything to blow up. So this was sophomore year at BU, I should say. I I went to BU for undergrad. And there was so the girlfriend and the roommate, first of all, like I said, never went to class. Like I would leave at 8 a.m. and they'd be sleeping in bed. I would come back at like 8 p.m. and they were still in bed. I'd be like, do I need to call it?

SPEAKER_03 11:47

Oh, so they were they were doing like a uh like a a Yoko and John Lovin. Yeah. Exactly. 100%.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Yeah, the bedding, bedding for peace. Like it's totally that. I didn't wow, I could have thought I should have thought of that like 10 years ago when it was happening. That would have made it a little more bearable. But also, like they're doing weird stuff. Like, I found BDSM toys under the bed. Like I saw like leather stuff, and I was like, oh boy, like I don't know if I want to be involved.

SPEAKER_03 12:22

Do you think that they were so what year was this? This was 2015, the fall. Okay, so that was like around the time that OnlyFans was kind of picking up. Do you suspect they were maybe monetizing anything?

SPEAKER_01 12:36

I don't know if they filmed anything or whatever, but all I know is there's that, and there was some stuff that um some very questionable, legally questionable stuff going on. Because like I heard the girlfriend crying one time in her sleep, and I was like, uh, and I heard her saying, Stop! I you I didn't give you permission to do that. And I was like, oh no, oh no, I don't like I don't know if I want to be around for this, but um, but they would tell me they would admit to like fingering each other and stuff in the bed. Like if they if they were consenting to it, that's fine, but it sounded like she was asleep and like didn't know like just oh that's that's not okay, not okay, yeah. And um, but that's all beside the point. Is that Stephanie? That's not Stephanie, but we'll see. Stephanie is our friend who who might join, but hey. But what are you are you checking to see?

SPEAKER_03 13:29

I'm also che I had messaged her earlier. Um she has a very funny story about uh Jack Schlossberg event recently.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

Yes, I heard that story too. This is not an endorsement, not an endorsement, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 13:45

Not an endorsement. Um yeah, anyway, but yeah, I hope anyone calls it.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

I hope she does too. That it's a really funny story. But the um so going back to this, this was the one night, the night of bad decisions, I call it. So the girlfriend, it it's like it's maybe like eight, nine o'clock at night. I've gotta write a paper desperately. Um I was trying to do that, except I get a call from my roommate, who by the way was spent most of their time when they weren't, you know, sexually assaulting the girlfriend allegedly in the bed and doing leather like chap stuff. They were working in the dining hall. So I wonder if maybe they just came to work in the dining hall and this was had there was housing for them. I have no idea. But um Yeah, like a work, like a work study situation. Yeah, but there's no studying, um, evidently. But he's he calls me and he goes, Hey, um, I have two friends coming over because we're gonna go to Comic Con this weekend. So they were yeah, there it was like that crowd, like the LARP cosplay kind of people. Um no, no shade to them, all the love to them, but just giving you an idea of what we're about to see go on. Yeah. And so real hentai hours, yeah. Yes, and so he goes, Um, and the thing is they have like nowhere to stay because one of them, like that was a really loud horn outside my window. Um, because one of them, I guess, didn't have an ID of any type, like no driver's license, like they were homeschooled, hippie, like that kind of type, like off the grid. So, um, and they're like, Yeah, they don't have an ID, and security won't let them stay in the dorm for the night. And I'm like, Okay, what do you want me to do about it? And he was like, Well, I was just wondering if you could drive them home. They have well, not home because they lived in Fitchburg, but um there's a friend nearby in the area, and they said, I was wondering if you could drive them to the friend's house. And I'm like, All right, I guess I'm not gonna write that paper. So I'm like, I I don't know what to do because security is not a lot, and if anyone here has been to BU, I don't know how it is now, but the dorm security, they do not play at all. Like, literally, I've actually heard that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

Yeah, it's one time you go ahead. Bentley is the same way. I've been to Bentley and they're the same way.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Yeah, but it's funny because with their academic buildings, it's not like I I'm very pleasantly surprised that there's never been a shooting there because like I walk in sometimes as an alum, and I don't know if it's because I still I could pass for 22, like no one questions me at all. Like you could, you know, there was a be like a fake a BU confessions Facebook page, and someone was like, Um, I just want to like smuggle a dead body into the lot the MuGar library and see if like anybody cares. I'm like, well, you should try it.

SPEAKER_03 16:46

I I don't think they will, but I you might get away with it, maybe I might.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

But it's um so there's there's that, but anyway, so security is not letting these people stay. They're like, no, you need to take these people home. And I don't know these people, like I've never met them. And I'm like, all right, so I need to get um some car keys to do that because the car was parked at um the alewife train station garage for those listening. That's um we have the tea. The tea is our subway and it sucks. Um, it's not a good subway system. But the very last stop on one of the lines called the red line is called Alewife. It's in Cambridge Mass, and that's where the car was parked in the garage. Um, so I was like, okay, I gotta take these people there. And I didn't have a car of my own, but we had to get to the car, public transit. Before I did that, I had to go to the girlfriend who was still like kind of half asleep. I was like, hey, like I need your keys to drive your car. So she's like, yeah, they're in the bag, go get them. And um, I think I'm trying to remember if there no, I don't think she had like a bus ticket or a bus money. So I think so I had to pay for my bus ticket. We were gonna take two buses and then take the tea a few stops. And um I had to pay for my bus ticket for these two strangers' bus tickets, so that's some money spent that's at least like $15 so spent. So we do that. Um, and then we get on the tee. The red line, it's it's three stops from Harvard Square to Alewife. And what happened? Um, I'm not a big fan of taking any kind of subway. I just don't um I don't like the thought of being stuck in there just happening before. So that was freaking me out a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

And well, when you were when you were in New York and we were on the subway, and do you remember it? Like, yeah, it was freaking me out. Well, yeah, understand because it like sometimes the subway will just stop randomly and you have no idea when it's gonna like they'll say, Oh, we're you know, stopped at the station, we'll be moving as soon as possible, but like you don't know when it's moving. If there's a train in front and there's a problem, like you could not be for like an hour, you know. So it's like, yeah, it's anxiety inducing.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

But anyway, I get that. Yeah, so there's that, and it's um I not only that, but this car was the station was randomly filling with smoke. I don't know if it was smoke smoke or like water vapor. Oh, but it was it was like scary enough that I kind of sort of let loose and I said, like, oh man, like I'm so annoyed with roommate's name for this situation, and later the these two people ended up like taking that quote and using it against me, like I was in court, like anything that's used against you, you know, to tell them what an off person I was. That was another thing. No, I hate that. It was it was not a good moment, but anyway, we we get to the station at Alewife, we go to the parking garage, and um, it's a car that I'm unfamiliar with in terms of because at that point I had only driven my mom's car, which had like it's got just like my current car has my Toyota, it's got the key fob where like it's has a it senses the keys in the car, but this was like an old, like a 1990, probably like older than me car.

SPEAKER_03 20:11

It's like a Saturn, like I think so.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Not that I know my cars well. We should get my brother on here who like he knows he's autistic and he knows like all the cars, like whatever, but it's um so key and ignition. I was like, I haven't done this since my driver's ed days, and I was like struggling a bit with it. I didn't know where the the hazards were, where the headlights were, and I was like, okay, like we're gonna do a nice blind drive through Cambridge and Medford, Massachusetts at nine o'clock at night. It was a little bit scary, but I got them there safely, and um so we do that, and we drop off this one friend, and I'm left with this guy. And um, this I'm trying to, I'm gonna try. Like, I'm like, what do I leave in? What do I leave out of the story? I hope that no students' parents are listening. I say, I say let it rip. Let it rip. Okay. If I get it, I don't know. Maybe it's fine. Don't even probably not. I please, like, if you're listening, like please fire me. Like, honestly. So it doesn't matter. But like, because I I'd love to, honestly, love to love to get fired, love to never teach again. But anyway, so um, I ended up losing my virginity to this dude later that night. Um, he was this is true. This is true. He was 20. And huh? What a plot twist. What a plot twist. It's he was 20. I uh I'm sorry, I was 20. He was 25. At that time, it seemed so big. Um, but it's funny. Now I look back on it and I'm like, we're both like that's like baby. I don't want to say babies having sex. It's such a weird sentence, but it's not what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

No, I know exactly what you mean. Like now. Get into like dating and all of that eventually, but like having dated men much older than me, it's like that a that like five year, like even like eight-year age cap is like nothing. Like what you dated like 15 years up, like I had it.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

We we have a story uh there to to tell for when we talk about dating. Well, it wasn't really dating because we couldn't. I've been in a relationship for years, so I I couldn't date this person, but he's a good friend of mine and he is much older, but it um that was a whole messy story. But anyway, so going back to yeah, 2025, and I was like, well, it's funny because yeah, he's he seemed so old to me back then. But it was like, you know. But um, yeah, I it's funny because I I had considered we were both like kind of novices. Uh obviously I was, but he was sort of like it was kind of awkward. Um, and that's another thing that I'm committed to when I like I don't have many sex scenes in my film work, but when I do, I'm committed to making it as true to life and as awkward as possible because sometimes it does go that way. I learned very quickly that it was not like the movies, it was there was a learning curve there.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

Have you ever used an intimacy coordinator on F Sat?

SPEAKER_01 23:20

I wish I could afford one, but what we do is we um we made sure everybody's comfortable. And it's it was me and a partner, and um we basically did things like I was wearing a bathrobe, I was clothed underneath it, like I had I had like a swimsuit on, and he was, you know, you couldn't see anything below the waist because he had like an undershirt, but you couldn't see any like um anybody's bits or anything. He was he had he was clothed underneath as well. And once there's one take we couldn't use because his jeans were showing, and I was like, can can can we tell that he's wearing jeans? We we played back the clip, we're like, oh yeah, we can't use that clip. So like we do some some really um interesting things to make it look like it's we're naked underneath, but we're not, and like we had to put like the I we were very careful, like the way we moved to have like the blanket over us, so it gave the illusion of us being naked, but like it, you know, we had and we had the bathrobe on, so we were very, very careful. But we there wasn't even like much physical touching, like I was on my knees, and but we were because the way we were doing the scene was it was supposed to be awkward where I was saying, like, ah, like, uh, it slipped out again. Like, and he's like, Oh, you got it? He's like, Yeah, no, I got it, and like nobody was like on top of each other, like kissing, making out, and thing is we get interrupted because in in the I I know we're veering off into another thing, but in this is this is good. Yeah, like in this scene, it's Halloween night, and we get interrupted by trick-or-treaters while we're trying to have sex, so we never really actually get to do it.

SPEAKER_03 25:05

We do this is hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

What what uh what this is for inconsistent effort, my web series. Oh, okay, all right. Yeah, and this is a story, this is a thing that actually happened when I was this is a story for another time, but basically it it's a thing from my childhood when my brother and I were trick-or-treating and we accidentally interrupted a couple having sex on Halloween night. So I put that in that's that's what the episode is based off of. Oh, I love that. So that's a story for another time, but yeah, so that's to answer the question. And yes, in case anyone's listening, this is how you know, in case there's a liability thing, like we are very, very careful. And maybe someday when the budget allows, we can get a more formal thing in place, but for now we're like really I was really fascinated and reading.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

So, have you ever seen girls via? Yeah, of course. I've watched that thing like three times all the way through. Anyway, um they uh I mean obviously in that show there's a lot of sex, right? Like every episode basically, and I was really interested in reading about like the intimacy coordinator and like how they navigated various scenes because I mean, in many cases, I I think they were completely nude. Uh but I guess there's like you can put tape down there, like you can there's like all kinds of ways that you can tackle um intimate scenes, and it's it's interesting to me. Um, yeah. Their whole you have to like from a psychological standpoint make sure that you feel safe and uh it's it's interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

And that's you know, and that that's another thing. It's so and being on that side of it myself, like the filmmaking side, it's funny because I can watch a movie. Oh, I think this is Stephanie. Should we take the call from Stephanie on the air? I can take the call on the air. Hello, you're on the air. You're on the air. Did you did I send it to the right email?

SPEAKER_02 27:09

Stephanie PA27?

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Yeah, I thought I did.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

No.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

Oh okay. It's not letting me hang on. Okay, we I think we gotta take a quick commercial break so I can send. I think I sent the link to the wrong email, Mary. Let me send it to her.

unknown 27:26

What the hell?

SPEAKER_01 27:28

Stephanie Wang. Oh, nope, whoops. It went they both have sevens in them, so it went to the old one. I am sorry about that. Let me do that again, Stephanie. I'm not gonna give out your email on the air, obviously, but I found it. Sent it. We are just in the middle of a great roommate story. You're gonna tell yours when you come on, yeah. Oh my, well you can tell us more about that when you come on. Did you get the link? Okay, we will see you. Okay. I was just telling them about the thing with my um my roommate from BU, the one with the um the one with the the friends and the uh maybe you remember the story, I don't know. But but then we started talking about other stuff, so okay, no worries. It's actually a good chance for me to get my charger. I gotta plug this in, so hold on. Let me turn my camera in. Oh, here you are. Alright, let me turn this in. She should be coming. Hey, there she is!

SPEAKER_02 29:08

Hey! Alright, let me just turn up the phone.

SPEAKER_03 29:11

Hello, hello, Mary, we miss you so much in New York. I miss you too. I was I was talking to my friend the other day about uh Che is it okay, is it Checky's or Chechi's? Checkies. Checkies. Um, and I was saying how I was like, yeah, my friend Stephanie and I we went there and we were like looking around at all the JFK Junior Carolyn Bassett impersonators and uh yeah, no, I I miss I miss New York already. I hope to return soon.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

Yeah, the JFK Junior Carolyn situation has gotten better though. So it's improved. Yeah, so by the time you're back, it'll be fine.

SPEAKER_03 29:57

It'll be fine. It'll be like a non-issue.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

Wait, what's there's impersonals?

SPEAKER_02 30:04

So, oh Mary, do you want to explain this? You're probably funnier at it than I am. The hell I see it.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

Yeah, uh, so uh Stephanie Stephanie took me to this place called uh Checky's, and it's I guess been around for a little while.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Um only three years or so.

SPEAKER_03 30:24

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_02 30:25

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, it's relatively new. They took over the old loop space.

SPEAKER_03 30:29

Oh loop, oh, and I went, yeah, that's right. Because I went to Cafe Loop like many years ago, and that's when I walked in, I was like, this place is really familiar, and I don't know why. It's like because I've been there before. Um, but anyway, we went to Checky's and uh we sat at the bar and we uh got a couple. I got a mocktail, Stephanie got a cocktail, and we sat there and because at Czechy's the martini is the game, as they would say. Yes, yeah, and the not so cuke is now my new favorite. Um, but we were sitting there and and talking about how uh like all the women, not all of them, but a lot of them had this very like Carolyn Bassette thing to them, and then their like boyfriend would come in and he would kind of look like JFK Jr.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Oh, I thought you meant like literal impersonators, like in Times Square, like hey, like watch me, like hey, they might as well have been, like they they looked like that.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

I was a jinx! I was about to say that they might as well have been like it's a whole West Village downtown New York City phenomenon these days, where like ever since that Ryan Murphy show love story came out, there seems to be a switch that just yeah, like the whole minimalism thing was it has been like trendy for a few years now, but it's like a switch completely flipped where people are literally trying to cosplay these people. And they wouldn't say they're cosplaying, they're just like, oh, I was always like this, like minimalism or like effort effortless casual stuff.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

That could be a thing. We have a whole episode devoted to that, but it's funny because before you came, Mary and I before we veered off of the roommate story topic a little bit because um we ended up talking a little bit about my my latest film project and intimacy coordination because she had a couple of questions. Oh, where'd you go?

SPEAKER_02 32:35

Um I am just changing into a different shirt because it's a billion degrees in here. We want to see you do that. I know you want to see, but that's not this.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

We were talking that's the that's the after hours episode. We were talking about intimacy coordination and how I um and how I like without an intimacy coordinator in the budget, we like made sure that we were like fully clothed and underneath bathrobes, and like you know, how we were like careful not to actually, you know, have our bodies on top of each other under a blanket. Like there are all kinds of crazy ways to tackle that. But anyway, how how do we get we got on that topic because I was talking about how I lost my virginity to one of the people that my then roommate in college um brought into the dorm against the security rules.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

So wait, and didn't he stay for multiple days too?

SPEAKER_01 33:25

He did stay for multiple days. Well, he was he was unhoused, which was you know, it's kind of sad, but it was um there, but what? How did you get rid of him? I think he ended up, I'm trying to remember, I think he ended up going to another friend or somewhere. I think the roommate eventually came back from Comic Con, which we'll talk about. Didn't you have to drive them together? I did. Yep, so we we we told that part of the story, but it was only one friend that could be dropped off. This guy had nowhere to go. So that's what happened. So the guy ended up staying, and I was getting tired of him staying there because it was my place. But anyway, um, going back to that first night after that happened, we um I'm trying to like for time, I'm trying to see how much I can leave, but this is the funny part. We were um, so after that the sins happened, we um I went to sleep and I was like, okay, I don't think I'm gonna get to write my paper at all. Because he was on my computer. He said, Can I use your computer? And I was like, okay, sure. I'll remember that.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

I remember that.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

So you know it's coming. So I was like, Yeah, sure, use my computer. I figured, you know, if he's he he's unhoused, he's gotta use it for something legit. And I'm like, okay, whatever, like I'm tired, I gotta go to sleep. And I wake up a few hours later and he's still on the computer, but he's he's looking at me, and he looks very guilty. He has the look of like a two-year-old who just like put his hands in the cookie jar, and I'm like, what? And I don't have my glasses on in bed, and I see something on the screen that looks blurry, but I can't tell. It looks like the shape of a human body, and I'm like, okay, I don't want to deal with it. And so I go back to sleep and I wake up in the morning, he's asleep in the bed next to me. And then I I go to my computer, like, maybe I can finally write this paper, and I see a screen pop up saying, Thank you for using Pornhub. And I'm like, Oh, don't thank me. Don't thank me.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

You can thank my buddy. You're you're lucky you weren't recorded for that, and you're lucky he wasn't uploading you to that.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

No, I'm very lucky. Um, but I don't know. It's maybe I don't know, maybe I could have gotten my my start filmmaking with that, but if he had, but who knows?

SPEAKER_03 35:39

So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, back up.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

So he this actually, like the fact that he stayed there for a few days actually reminds me of the situation I had in my sophomore year of college where I moved in with these two other girls. We had met during freshman year. We were all in art school at the time. I was studying like apparel design and theater, and they were studying film. And oh, there's my friend William in the back. I'm upstate this weekend. William stay home. William, you want to make a cameo? William, this is Sharice has Mary, they have a new project. He's a big fan.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

A little bit.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

Yay! Have you shown him? Yeah, William, you get the you get a special cameo.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

We're bringing in the extra flower.

SPEAKER_02 36:30

Oh nice.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

Very job, you know, like the caretaker.

SPEAKER_03 36:36

William, William, you look very dapper with the tie.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Oh, well, you can't take care of plant plant from a flower unless you wear a tie.

SPEAKER_02 36:46

And you and Mary, like, Mary's like me and Sharice. Like, Mary's the total Laura Piana, like, style girl.

SPEAKER_00 36:54

So there we are. We're all good for the night.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

Yeah. Alright, so anyway, back to this story. I would tell you the story. Yep. Alright, I was rooming with these two girls, both they were both film students. We had met our first week of freshman year in college through like a college assignment, and we decided and we became like really close friends while we were not rooming together. However, it's like as soon as we moved in, there is just a switch that totally flipped. And when you room with someone, as you know, like it reveals a totally different side of them. So I'm not gonna mention any specific names, but yeah, we're not gonna do it. I'll just say like girl number one, very, very controlling. Like she basically thought of she was paying less rent than both of us, but she basically controlled the apartment as if it were her own place from day one. Like you'd leave a dish out and she would yell at you, or you'd leave your door open, she would yell at you. She demanded that we had two bathrooms in the apartment, and this was in a tiny space in the East Village, which probably is not legal in terms of how small the bedrooms were, but she demanded she have her own bathroom and would get pissed.

SPEAKER_03 38:11

Yeah. That shit's not legal.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

Oh, oh yeah. But she'd get pissed if you went into her bathroom, even when the other one was occupied and you were in a rush to go to class or something. And girl number two, like very, very sweet person, very, very talented photographer, like did really well in fashion photography even at a young age, but she had a lot of mental health issues, and you basically had in many ways had to mother her.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

Oh, I know which one.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, if it were me and her, like, it probably would have been fine, but with the addition of someone super controlling who didn't who ended up not really getting along with either of us, and who, in many ways, I'd say, like, I'm no psychiatrist, but most people who meet her will just write her off as a narcissist. Yeah. So girl number one starts working a part-time job and brings in a coworker or friend saying she needs somewhere to stay for two weeks. Two weeks turns into two months. Two months turns into three months, it turns into half a year, and every time this girl has a different excuse for why she can't leave. So now we have girl number three who's staying there, and she's bringing in friends, she watches TV all night and will fall asleep with the TV on, and will get just wake up and scream at you if you turn the TV on. Is this the one with the dog? Um, is the one with the dog. Oh, okay. And girl number three starts just randomly inviting friends over for sleepovers, and all the whole time she's probably she's like saying things like, Oh, I just graduated early from drama school, I'm auditioning for roles in the city, and like as an art student, you feel bad for this person. You understand how hard it is, like being a young artist in the city, so you're like, okay, okay, and she's playing the sympathy sympathy strings. But where the red flags and yellow flags really started showing up was the first real incident we had was like, I've always been really big into baking, and I had brought in a really, really nice muffin tin. And I come in one day, it's late, it's after like a play rehearsal or something, and this whole thing is burnt up just sitting in the sink. And I very politely say to girl number one and girl number three, hey, I don't mind if you use my nice baking utensil, like my nice baking tracer supplies. However, this has gotten burnt beyond repair. You cannot be destroying things, like I can show you how to use this stuff, and they go like, it's your fault for getting like a nice Nordic Wearer Williams Sonoma baking pants.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

She's straight a team cookware.

SPEAKER_02 41:28

They basically followed me around the apartment for hours talking about how it's my fault I left it in a certain cabinet, how it's my fault, how I didn't have like muffin tins, and how they just had to like pour the batter in, how it's my fault that the oven like maybe burnt it or something, which no, the oven's working perfectly fine, and how it's my fault that I had even owned this pan in the first place. And by the end, like as an 18, 19, as like a 19-year-old, you're you think you're the one going insane. Yeah, and oh, it just compounded from there. Yeah, so girl number one starts dating this guy who has a dog too. This guy's at one point, oh yeah. At one point, there are two dogs living in the apartment. Girl number two, who's just like only living there half the week, because at the time she's dating a guy who lives in Jersey, so half the week they're in Jersey. She decides to get a cat. So there's three animals and five people, a whole stream of visitors, lots of shit, literally lots of shit. The whole time, like literal animal shit just all over the carpet.

SPEAKER_01 42:44

Stop. Wasn't there well one time that he fed um the boyfriend fed the dog eggshells? And why was that? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

So this boyfriend had a theory that dogs should eat human food, and they both had like American terrier pit bull mixes, not like a purebred pit bull, but like just terrier mixes of some ambiguous origin. And girl number one's dog had serious digestive issues and health issues. And this boyfriend's like, oh, if you feed her eggshells, it'll clean out her digestive system. Well, guess what? It does a little too well. Guys getting like into vet school straight away, probably. We've never, never heard of that before.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

That's insane.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

Wow. I've heard of walking on eggshells, but not shitting out eggshells. It's totally different. No. But yeah, well, there wasn't there something with Bongwater before I tell the rest of my Rome story because it gets really, really good. But was what what was the Bongwater incident?

SPEAKER_02 43:50

Oh, this was this is like one of the things where you look back in retrospect, like one of the housing situations where you look back in retrospect and are like. How did I even survive a few months in this? But so girl number two's boyfriend all he would do in his spare time was just smoke. Like he'd just get high on the fire escape or high in their bedroom. And he would one day I walk out and he's microwaving something. I'm in a rush to get to class. And I go, like, hey, can I use a microwave? And he replies, Oh yeah, no worries. Sorry. I was just microwaving my joint. So I'm like, alright. And a couple days later, I walk in and one of the bathroom doors is open and he's just in there. I hear something being poured down the drain. Like it legitimately sounds like someone's just taking giant shit. And I say, hey man, like everything okay. And fundamentally, like he was a very nice guy. Like whenever he was there, he would do a ton of cleaning. He was never disruptive. He would just go into my roommate's bedroom and just stay there. Like if you told him, hey man, you're stinking up the apartment with weed, he would go on to the fire escape slash balcony and just smoke there. Like, nice guy.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

Dude, nuking a joint is wild. What does that even do?

SPEAKER_02 45:27

Nothing. Unless you're really high in doing it. But right. He and I don't know from experience. I just know from watching him. But then he's in the bathroom and he's like, yeah, all good. I like I found a new way to get rid of my bomb water. I'm just pouring it down the toilet. And I'm like, wait. So that's why the bathroom, like this bathroom that the three of us has to share, because our other roommate refuses to let us in her bathroom, her bathroom. This is why, like, this bathroom that we all share has smelled terrible, and I thought like the toilet is half clogged. You're pouring your bomb water, and he's just trying to justify it. Like, oh, gets rid of it. At least I'm not pouring it down the sink. Blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

That is true.

SPEAKER_02 46:20

And the thing is, okay, here's the kicker. In retrospect, you cannot really tell whether he was so high he just wasn't being coherent and rational about the whole situation, or whether he just genuinely didn't have a better way of getting rid of his bone water.

SPEAKER_03 46:43

I've I've I've been around a lot of stoners. I've been a stoner, I've never heard of this in my life. I'm gonna be honest. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 46:51

See, finally, years later, like a decade later, I finally get closure. I'm not the insane one because the whole time I'm living here and just like sticking in my room. And like by no means, I admit like I'm not a perfect roommate. Like, I could stay up in the living room painting some days when it was empty, doing my own personal projects, or I could be on the phone. Maybe one time I had a house party, but other than that, like I just remember mostly being in my room and like thinking I was the bad roommate here.

SPEAKER_03 47:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:27

And I remember at one point, like, in some ways, maybe I was a bad roommate. At one point, I stopped cleaning because I was like, every time I clean, it's just gross the next hour. Because someone will throw their oily food in the sink or they'll leave their own dishes in the sink for days and take no responsibility if I clean them. So what's the point? But in retrospect, once you say that, I'm like, ten years later, I get closure. Maybe like I enjoy living alone, but maybe I wasn't the worst roommate ever. Probably weren't, Stephanie.

SPEAKER_03 48:04

Honestly. Probably weren't. Like this guy sounds like he's taking the cake. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:13

I think we should just lock all of our bad roommates up, like into one apartment. Maybe we cut them a deal like cheap rent, but they all just have to deal with each other's messes and bad living habits.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

That'd be like no exit, but like really unhinged.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

Yeah, but like really no exit. Like there really no exit. There were multiple times where I thought about calling the ASPCA. Yeah. Like one day I come home and my roommate's dog is just there, and she's shot all over the carpet, and she's whining because she had separation anxiety from human beings.

unknown 48:49

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

And she had been left in the apartment like all day while my roommate was in class. And my roommate walks in a few minutes later and sees that there's like shit on the carpet. She's so nonchalant about it. She just goes like, Oh, you did a doo-doo on the carpet, and doesn't even do a deep clean of the carpet. She like she makes tries to make a case why like Lysol or like some generic cleaner, like Mr. Miracle Clean or something, is sanitary enough.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

She's like hitting, she's like hitting a dog shit stain with fucking Windex.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

Yeah, like when we come back like wedding, put some wet.

SPEAKER_02 49:32

Oh yeah, and then she tries to comfort her dog, and her dog doesn't even want to be near her. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 49:39

Yeah. That's so bad, dude.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Some people shouldn't have animals. That's another story for another time, me, and um, that's another thing.

SPEAKER_02 49:47

But yeah, just oh yeah, but speaking of shit stories, another really bad roommate story on one end, I was living years later, like after I had graduated from college, was working like my first corporate day job, just like first time really being independent in every way possible. I had just started dating this guy. And within three weeks, he tried to move himself into my apartment. Oh, I and the one with the with the bath mat. Oh, there's I don't know why he was so obsessed with the bathroom in general. Yeah. Aside from just like chilling in the bathtub for at least three hours every day. That I I I envy that. We should do another episode on like bad dating stories at some point, but okay, so this guy like why he's just sitting on my bed. He's playing video games on his cell phone. And he turns to me and just goes like, Oh, sorry, I just farted, and a little bit of shit came out. And I said, Okay, well, like, I'm just so in shock, I don't know how to react, but I'm just like, okay, well, there's a laundry downstairs in the basement. You gotta take this, and thank god it's only on the first layer of the sheets. You gotta take this down to the basement.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

Yeah, you gotta find it.

SPEAKER_02 51:23

I can change the sheets. Like, I clarify, I can change the sheets, but you gotta go do the laundry right now. Because, like, oh paper towel, dish detergent, and cleans the bed that way and tries to justify why that's the case. And his whole argument is, oh, it's all just soap anyway. See, there's no stain anyway, there's no smell, there's no soap anyway, it's totally clean, like, I'll even dry it off. And I go, like, no, I'm bringing this down. He goes, like, okay, you can bring it down, and it's just so nasty, I don't even want it sitting there that I bring it down to the basement. I'm doing laundry for hours that night. And I come upstairs, he hasn't even changed the sheets. I guess this was like the second to last straw before I dumped him. I gave him the holiday leeway, but after New Year's I dumped him, and that's like a change. He's sitting there on the mattress itself. Oh my god, what? Playing his video games. I started some men are like, I don't, I don't even to my roommate whose dog will just shit all over the place.

SPEAKER_01 52:40

This is like there's an episode. Um, Ozzie Osborne and his family had a reality show in the early 2000s called The Osbornes, and they had this one episode about like they have like 10 cats and dogs, they're just shitting everywhere, and this is what this reminds me of.

SPEAKER_02 52:55

Oh my god, I read this incredible book the other day called Rejection, which is about it's a collection of like intertwined short stories. That sounds good. And they're dealing with the whole era of social media, they're dealing with the fact that they're getting slightly older as adults. I guess like if you had to place it on a timeline, they're all millennials. They're dealing with like love, friendship, stating. It's a very, very fast read, but one of the most profound books I've read in a while. And not to give a spoiler, but in one of the in one of the stories, one of the characters adopts a pet bird thinking that it'll make her less lonely, thinking that it'll give her something to focus on, something to redefine her life on. My dear, I don't think just laughing at it.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

Yeah. Sorry, you froze. You've been I think you froze a few times. So, like, can you say that sentence again? Huh? You you you froze, you keep freezing.

SPEAKER_02 54:11

Oh, okay. So in this one particular story in the book Rejection, there's this girl who thinks that adopting a bird will give her a new purpose in life, or it'll make her more interesting, or find some form of acceptance, and it only makes her find more forms of rejection to destructive like desperation. It like to the point where it's so gross that you can only laugh about it.

SPEAKER_01 54:45

Well, some people have kids for that reason. Unfortunately, they're like, I need someone to love me.

SPEAKER_03 54:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:52

So I'm gonna bring somebody into the world, but it just ends up being a dumpster fire.

SPEAKER_03 54:57

Yeah, that's a whole other thing. Like people having kids to like think it's gonna save their relationship or like save it. That's a whole other topic. But yeah, like it goes.

SPEAKER_02 55:07

Yeah, I think we're getting a lot of like ideas for future episodes right now.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

Oh well, we we yeah, it's this is this has been like a wealth of content, like this whole episode. This is great, but I was gonna bring this back to the second half of the story. This is where it gets really, really good. Yeah, all right. Let's hear it. The thing, no, but this was good. I love that you came on because I I forgot all about all this stuff. Like, I remembered like the names of some of these roommates, I just couldn't remember what they did specifically, and like now it's all Oh wait, get this!

SPEAKER_02 55:40

I texted Sharice, I texted you about this the other day. I texted our friend Evan too. But the other day, I was walking around in unions.

SPEAKER_01 55:51

Oh, oh you're oh you're she's gonna tell Jack Schloss first.

SPEAKER_02 55:57

And she had a baby. However, like she looked different enough that I knew it wasn't girl number one. But at first glance, like at a quick like side-eye glance, I flipped a shit. Cause I was like, Imagine this person as a parent, like all the woe is me attitude, all the narcissism of it.

SPEAKER_03 56:20

It's like the last person that should be a mom. I mean, like, I don't know, that's awful of me to say the light.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

Let's go back to part two. But it was no, I get, and that's gonna be another thing. Like, um, this is well, this is another thing for another episode. With seeing people like I grew up with become parents, and it's surprising. Some of them, how good some of them are at seem to be, but some of them like you're like, I can't only imagine. But anyway, yeah, part two of the story. So after the Pornhub thing happens, a dude finally goes home. I think when I kind of I'm starting to express to him how like, you know, this is kind of making it hard for me to live my college life a little bit. And what happens is um one night he's gone, I'm sleeping, and the girlfriend and the um I think he went to Comic Con, he found a way to go to Comic-Con. Oh no, yeah. He went to Comic-Con with the girlfriend and the roommate, and then like over the weekend, I'm sleeping my bed, and then the girlfriend and the roommate come back, and I'm like, oh, okay. And then um I'm I'm kind of awake at this point, you know, I get woken up by them coming in. And the roommate's like, hey, um, did you drain the car battery? And I was like, um, what why would how would I have drained the car battery? He's like, Well, you know, we tried to go um home, but we saw that our car battery was drained. And we're just wondering if you did something. And I was like, Well, I I couldn't really figure out how to turn the headlights on and off, so maybe I'd like messed that up somehow. And the roommate was like, Well, we would appreciate if you gave us $200 for a new car battery. And first of all, this is in college.

SPEAKER_02 58:06

Like calculate inflation. This was back in college, calculate it with inflation these days.

SPEAKER_01 58:12

But it turns out that they had told me later that it was actually a drunk person had broken their window. And um, I'm like, okay, so maybe that caused your car battery to drain. Maybe that's what caused the lights to come on and drained your car battery. A drunk guy cracking your window open with a beer bottle. But no, they wanted to blame me. So I was like, um, first of all, $200 back then was a lot for me. And I was like, um, I paid money to get your car, uh, first of all, to um to transport myself and your friends to Alewife Station to get the car. I paid for the bus tickets, I paid for the for the subway tickets for the tea, and then I had to pay, I forgot to say this part earlier, the parking ticket to get out of the garage with the car, I also had to pay. So I spent money on these people I didn't even know already. And now you're trying to get $200 out of me for the car battery. I said, after you disrupted my life for four or five days, you know, are you are you nuts? And then it turned into like a thing. And um, I leave, I think, to go to class, and I see that uh the roommate's gone and the girlfriend are gone. They just packed up and all their stuff is cleaned out, they're moved out. Apparently, the roommate dropped out of college, and like I said, never going to class anyway. So they just I don't know where they went, but they left. And I see a note on my desk. And the note says, I'm trying to remember verbatim. I think I can almost remember most of it, says, um, to a stupid hoe. And by the way, it's spelled like the gardening tool, H-O-E. I'm like, you're going places, not college, but places. Start on a Home Depot. Yeah, yeah, customer service. That was stupid hoe. I want to return my gardening home. Yeah. And then I see an arrow on it saying, see back. I'm like, okay, let's see what Shakespeare had to say. And then I open it and it says, Um, you're lucky. I hope someday you grow the fuck up or you'll have hospital bills out the ass. Verbatim. That's what they had written. And I was like, okay, the RA would love to see this. I don't know. Like they're adding like I was the after everything I did for these people, I didn't even know because I had to, because the security wasn't allowing it. So I didn't even have to do all that. I could have, and I and I wrote this in a Facebook chat to them. I said, like, I did all this, and they're like, if you didn't want to help, you could have just said so instead of being spoiled. And I'm like, dude, security wouldn't let those people stay. I had no choice. I mean, maybe I couldn't.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:58

I don't think they know what the I don't think they know what the definition of the word spoiled is.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

I mean, maybe I could have allowed security to call the cops on them and it wouldn't have been my problem, but like that could have made it worse.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:10

Yeah. Oh, it sounds like Bondwater needs to befriend uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:16

And this person, then they and then he was saying, like, oh, you know, I'm sorry, like that I have issues and I need to be surrounded by people all the time. My dorm, I'm like, okay, then ask housing for special accommodation, ask for a private room, have all the friends in there that you want. You know, don't, you know, why are you making me the bad guy here when I did everything that I had to do? And I don't think I ever got to finish writing that paper that I didn't get, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

Well, so okay, now my follow-up question that I should have asked years ago is what like what did you end up doing about the paper? Did you just say sorry, I can't turn it in or ask for an in indefinite extension?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:56

I'm trying to remember. Um I think I maybe ended up cramming to write it. It wasn't a very long paper. Like it was, I had this professor who used to sign like a mini paper every week. I think I ended up doing it, but it probably wasn't very good. Like I rushed it. That's what I remember. Oh, yeah. Well, if if we had lived in that time, maybe I would have done. Well, I don't know. I don't know if I have more too much self-respect as a writer to use chat GPT. But it was so anyway, that was such a crazy story. And then I couldn't stay in my dorm for a week because they hadn't returned the key. My parents were like, don't go back because they're gonna they're gonna beat you up. Because they kind of threatened them. They were like, hmm? They're gonna beat you up?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:43

That's what they said.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:44

Well, I think they were afraid of it because of the tone of the letter they had left. Me, like, oh, you left hospital bills out the oh he no, they no, um, they actually said in the in the Facebook chat, I remember now, it was either he or his girlfriend said, I'm gonna kick your ass. All this, like, all this physical violence they were threatening. And I was like, okay, what do I and the RA was like, okay, we're gonna document this, and you know, it may be wise for you not to come back until they've returned the key. And they returned the key eventually, and I came back. But man, that was that was the only bad roommate I've had. I got someone after that who was very nice, but there was a period of time where I was completely alone until I got her. But man, I don't know. But I haven't had any hospital bills out the ass, and it's been 10 years later, so maybe I'm guessing they were wrong. So I know I have, but not for that. I I have I have for I Mary, I was like, I know Mary was gonna jump in. I do have for the the thing for the the obvious condition that we've talked about, but not for not for being spoiled.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:49

So do you think maybe they were like a profit? Like, oh, no matter what, you're gonna have hospital bills out the ass.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:57

Yeah, maybe they just didn't know for what's pressing it. But it was how you doing, Mary, are those mushrooms um are they taking a finger fan? They're what they're kicking.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:07

What kind of mushrooms? Um so uh this company called Plant People, they make um two different kinds that I've had. Um one of them is for sleep and the other is for um like just it's like a calming thing. Um I think it's called, yeah, it's called WonderCalm. Um but these have Rishi, Saffron, Gabba, Coradol. It's like two types of magic mushrooms. Gabba, it's a different, yeah, they're they're great, but they make you like a little loopy sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:51

Seems like seems like they're working.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:53

Yeah. They're working. They're kicking in, yeah, for sure. Um yeah, but could you tell?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:03

Could you tell that you kind of was trying to look around, and I was like, okay, I think she's in like she's in a she's in like a certain world that we can't see, or in Mushroom World.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:16

She's in shroom world, yeah. They're not shrooms. Let me let me clarify, they're not shrooms. Um, but yeah. Well, this has been great, and I love having Stephanie on. Stephanie, we should come on again.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:33

You want to tell No, I I can't wait to. This is so much fun. You want to tell the Jack Schlossberg story before we go, or or are we saving that?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:42

Are we saving that for some?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:43

I think we're gonna save that for a later episode. Let's see what happens. Let's see what happens in the election itself.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:49

Yeah, I want people to look up hashtag Jack Schlossberg. Put that in, and then you'll you'll get this episode, whoever searches it up. So oh yeah, that's that's gonna go viral. Let's make this like his Campaign clip. For SEO purposes. Yeah. Yeah. He'll probably make some like Instagram post of us with like photoshopped onto Donald Trump or something, like as revenge. So as he does.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:13

No, no, after all the roommate stories, I don't think it could be in that world at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:21

I think it's pretty clear that we're like left leaning.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:26

We eat the mushrooms. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:30

This is just so anyone knows, this is like this is like um like like Joe Rogan for smart people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:38

Wait, so I'm coming on like I was for a little bit of context, I was invited on to this show like literally a day ago. I don't even know what the name of it is, but relatively well. Hey, I just want an excuse to like video with two of my friends who I miss dearly. So relatively well.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:56

I'm coming on just to chat with them. That's really what this is. It's like Sharice and I um Sharice approached me with the idea to to do a podcast. Um, and we both said, you know, we just really want it to be like we're chatting on the phone, like just really open-ended conversation, kind of what goes goes. Um, and that's what we're trying to make this. So any guests that we have on, um, we really want to just make it like we're hanging out and you know, shooting the shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:30

And it's called episode one about episode one. Well, go ahead, Mary.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:35

You can tell her at episode one is about uh episode one, we dove a little into our shared uh CVS condition called CVS cyclic vomiting syndrome. So it's a little educational.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

Um, and then I actually don't remember we talked about school stories and we talked about the paraprofessional that told you about her drunk college.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:01

Yeah, the para that I I think she felt we were genuinely friends, but I was in middle school and she was like fully 50 years old.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:12

So wait, that okay, I want to hear this story sometime.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:16

That is well, the episode's gonna come out soon when the episode will be out, and we'll I can tell you more context after, but um yeah, I'll just text you. Yeah, just you text me for the deets. Um yeah, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:31

Well, it actually that actually reminds me of a story of like when I was 10 years old, where like the town that my parents live in had a public swimming pool. And my friend and I were there. My friend who's like around our age, we were just there, just like chilling out at the swimming pool. We're 10 years old, and this random woman who's in her 20s approaches us, and she's like trying to act like a big sister and all, but like when you're 10 years old, you don't really know better. And and like at the time we think she's so cool. We're like, oh my god, like this older girl like wants to hang out with us and like wants to take us on like all these trips and stuff, and like wants to visit the beach, and I don't like where this is. She actually talked to both of our parents. So the older girl actually talked to like both of our parents. She was like going to some like art school in Boston at the time, and she was just like, Oh, is it okay? Like, if I get like your daughter's phone numbers, and my parents were and like all of our parents were like, Okay, sure, like whatever seems harmless enough. Like, she's a woman, she's young, means nothing weird, but then okay, this is where it gets weird, and where like all her parents started suspecting something. She started calling my house and started to just like want to hang out one-on-one with me and my friend, and then when my parents and my friend's parents call her out on it, she got really mad and really offended and weird about it. Wait, what year was this? Probably like yeah, like I'd say 2006, 2007.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:22

Okay, did anyone look into her more in depth later? Because this on honest to God, this is sounding like an Epstein thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:34

No one really no one looked into her because, like, at the time, I think my friends' parents and my parents were just like she seems harmless enough where if we just stop like answering her whenever her caller ID shows up on screen, and we just stop letting our daughters like hang out with her at in a public spot, like the local town pool, she's not the kind of person who's gonna be harmful. Like, she in terms of like not the kind of person who's gonna come stalk your family and like wait in front of your house or try to kidnap your children.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:13

If they were a if they were a man, they'd be like thinking totally different. Probably, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:19

That's a scary thing, and you know, I don't mean to turn this into a thing it wasn't, but um, you know, you often do think that it's gonna be a man, and you know, when you see a woman in that situation, it's like there's more safety around that, right? Like you see a woman, you think, okay, like you know, a woman would never do XYZ or whatever, but um it's it's scary because I think they often use woman to kind of cover up, so to speak.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:55

Oh yeah, Gilane Maxwell, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:57

Elaine Maxwell, yeah, exactly. And not to turn this into an Epstein thing, but but uh yeah, you know. Case studies it's scary, definitely. And I'm glad that like that didn't go any further. Um that's yeah, that's that's pretty yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:17

And the sad thing is like in retrospect, like I'll think about the situation occasionally, and fundamentally, I think like she was just a very, very I don't think she really meant anything harmful by it, but like because she was never truly predatory in any of the interactions that my friend and I had with her. Like, I think she was just a very, very lonely woman for for whatever reason, like she couldn't make friends her own age or had trouble keeping friends her own age.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:47

That's weird though. Like, if you're 20 something and you're going to a public pool and you're like trying to hang out with some 10-year-olds, that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:55

Yeah, like that is weird, but there's something going on which she didn't really let on, and like as a 10-year-old, you probably wouldn't have understood.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:04

Yeah, she could have had like there could have been some maybe not that excuses it, maybe like some disorder going on there where she didn't realize like socially why that wasn't acceptable. Like who knows? But I just know that I would never like I've had kids walk up to me and just start talking to me, but like I don't I don't seek them out, like they're just there. And they will start having conversations with me, and I don't I never try to get anyone's number. Obviously, I wouldn't want to like hang out with them, and that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:35

No, I've always I've always said like it's best to let children approach you first, because obviously, even if you had the best intentions and you you know whatever, like people can misconstrued approaching a child, like anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:54

That's some countries they don't even like it if you smile at babies. I've heard in like some like Nordic countries they think it's weird or something. They I'll find out when I go to Sweden later this year. I'll I'll be I'll I'm gonna be arrested for smiling at all the babies. I'm gonna be like I'm gonna be on the Epstein.

unknown 1:14:12

No, no, no, no. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:14

Okay, now now this is where more of my boss hears us and goes, Do I do I need to fire her? Or please, please go ahead. But stop the episode. Stop stop stop talking.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:26

Um no, any but anyway, this has been a great episode again, wide range.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:32

It's just been a fun time. I'm excited to come on again.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:35

Stephanie, do you have anything that you want to plug? Um I don't know if you have yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:42

Oh oh I uh I do have something I want to plug. I want to plug the two of you and come like anyone else who who's interested in being guest, anyone else who wants to watch the show, like uh come on hang out.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:56

I think Stephanie, it's nice. You used her plug on us, that's really nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:02

Um that's why I'm here.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:04

You can plug your baking to anyone who wants to.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:08

Oh, yeah, yeah. I have I have been working on some stuff, have been trying to really, really perfect some stuff that there's really no perfection. But yeah, I've baked all my life, and this year is the first time where I'm like, I I really wanna. So this year, like for a bit of context, maybe I'll talk about it more in another episode, but it's like the first year of my life where I've taken a lot of major bets. It's good. In January, just to take a step back, take like my first vacation, first real vacation in six and a half, seven years. Just think about what I want to do next in the corporate world as well as what I want to do in terms of independent projects. And one of the biggest things is just getting my big goods off the ground. So, right now, cherry, like any of my friends who've tried it have been like, yeah, that's that's been there for a while. But this weekend, my big weekend, and I've been giving myself like whenever I'm upstate, like big weekend projects, like find something you really, really get down pat. And this has taken a couple weekends now, but this weekend is the weekend of the souffle cake. So more to come on that. Souffle. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:31

Um Cherice, do you have anything anything new you want to plug?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:36

I know you plugged like your No, I I kind of Oh wait, wait, there's there's there's something else I want to plug. Inconsistent effort. Oh, thank you. I try to not laugh that easily at stuff. Like usually I'll chuckle or I'll smile at it, but to really get me to just be rolling on the floor laughing, you gotta have something like inconsistent effort.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:58

You're such a you're such a ride or die. You're like you just my homie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:06

Well, she she is, she could be like, she's like a great PR person and a and a homie and a and a pet. I can pet her through the screen.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:15

A pet, you a pet, you're a pet, you know me.

unknown 1:17:18

Pet me.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:19

Wait, wait. In some other episode, we gotta go into the origins of weird jokes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:25

It'd be like, I don't know, some people will be like, what? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:29

As well as for we talk about petting each other a lot. Oh wait, I feel like Mary and I like if we ran an Instagram account, it would just be like making fun of everyone, like people, the bars in New York, yeah. Gen Z of the bars in New York.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:48

It would be like taking photos of like people and making stories about them, like really lawn-form content.

unknown 1:17:55

Like briefly.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:58

A whole made-up life story, which turns out to be true.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:01

Yeah. Um, well, I don't do you guys wanna end it here? I think we should. Um, I do have to go soon. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:12

So yes, probably.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:14

Stephanie, thank you for coming on again. It was so thank you, BB.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:18

Thank you, both of you.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:22

And I hope to I I hope to see you soon. I hope to maybe be in New York again and we can Yes the reunion reunion. Alright.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:35

Alright, I'll see you both later. Bye bye. We end the recording. How do I Oh she's left? Okay. Oh, it's still recording. All right.