What Are You Actually Serving?

This week we’re talking about intention and the uncomfortable reality that people can cause harm while sincerely believing they are acting from care, fairness, or righteousness.

How much does intention actually matter if the impact still wounds? And if we can never fully know another person’s motives, what do we anchor to instead?

A raw conversation about self-deception, accountability, unconscious motives, and the stories we tell ourselves about why we do what we do.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

This is Scene What's Here, and today we're talking about intention, the stories we tell ourselves about why we do what we do and how difficult it is to truly know what's driving another person or even ourselves. Good morning, Pablo. Good morning.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

How are you, Vanessa?

SPEAKER_01 0:17

I'm doing well overall. Okay. I mean, there's been a few challenges this week, but I think working through them. So for our topic today, I was wanting to focus on discussing just intention.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Um it's because it's just come up in many different scenarios and some teachings I've been listening to, and then just in in life, um wondering about okay, people's intentions or people trying to defend their intentions. Even though their actions are hurtful, but they're, you know, they're saying, well, but yeah, I'm intending, you know, this for good, or well, this needs to be fair. But does how much does intention actually matter? You know, if harm is happening or hurt is happening.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

Well, that's yeah. So it always brings me to Alan Watts, and we talk about this a lot, or I like to bring it up a lot. Uh, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And because, you know, everybody's intention is like, how do you know that your intention is a good one? Right. You know, like how how do you measure that? That's just you, right? And so up against somebody else's. So I I guess that's why ultimately in the end, you know, that's why it becomes hell, you know, because like you think it's gonna be all these great things, you know, that you're gonna do, but ultimately just kind of all the wheels come off the bus. You know, because um they're just it's not well to me, I believe it's just not flowing. That's that's what I've come to understand when I get in those situations, you know. Um, a lot of times, maybe I'll and I was really I was really bad about it when I was younger because it was a lot of mind over matter. And I I could I could watch my father do that, and I was like, okay, I can I can duplicate that. So I could do mind over matter. And so intention, you know, mind and will to get something done became real important to me. And that you that's I mean, that's how you can control situations, it's control your life, you know, it's it's really it's powerful. But how do you know that it's how do you know that uh that your ladder's up against the right building? How do you know that all the things that you're doing are the right things? You know, like is it just because well, for me, it started with family, and that's a big one because everybody tells you, you know, family, family, family. But I was like, well, is it family? Because, you know, it seems to me like family kind of it seems like they all kind of want to do the crab in the bucket thing, man. Like as soon as you want to get yourself out of the bucket, they're all like, hey man, what you doing? Get back down here, you know. So tall poppy syndrome.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

I heard somebody say that, like, oh, you're what are you doing up there? Uh-uh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

So imagine, like in that whole bucket, all these people with all their intentions, and they're all thinking that they're good. And so it's like, well, maybe so, maybe not. I don't know. And that set me on the path, right? Trying to discern, yeah, discern that. Because eventually you should because ultimately I think because I I went over some Alan Watts this morning, and I do recommend anybody to listen to Alan Watts because ultimately, if you're quiet enough, there's an inner voice that will tell you what really is true and what not even just clues, but will set you on your journey to where intention is something that you can set, but then you don't have to be attached to outcome from it. And it it's it's more it's it's more real, it's more, it has more energy behind it. And and yeah, that's the other thing. More distractions. The if you can take away all those things that are distracting you, you realize that you've got this one thing to work on. You have to get yourself out of the way. Like, because a lot of those things that you're distracting yourself, those are the things that are getting in your way of the one thing that source is trying to get through you. And so a lot of those intentions, maybe they're not even like proper. They're just your ego saying, I think I want to do that because I think that's me. And yeah, you try it out and you wear it, and it's like well, most of the time people just don't like the outcome. Right. Because it they get really attached to the outcome of that intention, and that's usually the downfall. You know, if you have the intention, there's nothing wrong with it, but it's like what happens is that it doesn't come to fruition. And then that's when people are like, what the hell do you yourself is like I can't make this happen. So I don't know, that's just my two cents on it.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Yeah, no, I appreciate that. That reminds me like Rabbi Baton is taught when we are setting intentions for our life, we do that and then we release on that attachment to the outcome. Oh, yeah. That is so key because otherwise, I mean, that that attachment, it creates a resistance. Correct. And then you have this resistance energy and things don't flow.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

It don't, it doesn't flow. Not at all. Exactly. And that's really what well the work that that we do is just trying to get the flow. Yes. Trying to get that flow going. Exactly. And it's in, and so yeah, some of it could be from, well, I mean, yeah, how do you know that your intention is right? Have you done the work to discern that, you know?

SPEAKER_01 5:55

That's hard. And yeah, that was something I actually had in my notes. You know, we can convince ourselves that our intentions are good. Yeah. Well, I'm, you know, yeah, being just or fair, I just want X, Y, or Z. And, you know, that those are good things for the situation, but we're not necessarily looking at the harm that it may be causing or the hurt to others. And I'm just thinking about education. Um, and I know the teachers, their intention is, well, I am teaching whatever their subject is, and I am holding the kids to this high standard and they're not meeting it. So F, D, whatever. And these kids are like, what? Why? And and then consequence and punishment. And so I I I'm just giving that scenario because teachers think that, well, I have good intentions, right? And they're absolutely convinced of that.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:49

And what I'm seeing on the other end is is hurt and the kids struggling.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

And why do I all of a sudden want to bring up the Jackson 5 and Michael again with the story?

SPEAKER_01 7:03

He's in the collective consciousness right now. Isn't he?

SPEAKER_02 7:06

Yeah. The only story I remember about that was how Joe Jackson used to make the boys move rocks, big old blocks or something like concrete blocks, like from one pile to another, you know. And uh, and I remember of like in my personal life too. There was a time my dad made me uh dig lateral lines by hand with a pick and shovel for a sewer for a house. And it was kind of it was a meaningless work, you know, like because we could have bought got a backhoe, right? So what is that kind of mentality that that a teacher would want to, you know, like use punishment as a tool?

SPEAKER_01 7:46

It's very common.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

Because they think they're teaching kids about real life. And real life has consequences.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

You don't pay your bills. What did the gates of uh one of the one of the concentration camps, what did one of the gates have welded to the front?

SPEAKER_01 8:03

Work will set you free. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

Oh, that's so funny.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

I think that was over Auschwitz. I'm checking with my live studio audience.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

Is that right? Yeah, so here's the thing, you know, it comes back to gosh, can you got time with these children, right? You yeah. So it's not like we talked about last podcast, you know, we don't have control over others a lot of times. And teachers are the worst. As you as I grew up, I was like, I have no control over them. All you have is the control over your response, you know, and and so you know, I think, well, maybe Michael Jackson is a great example of the response to that, right? Yeah. To look towards the source in you and let that manifest. Right, right. And nothing else. You know, just just that's gonna happen. And there people are gonna get in your way and they're gonna be like that. Maybe it's gonna color your experience, but you know, or you know, make you the better person. Like what that what's that saying? Um, if it doesn't kill you, it makes you strike. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. I mean, which is true. I mean, that's how we grow.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

We grow by just facing those little inadequacies within within ourselves and all that. Because maybe there's that too. I mean, I don't know. You're just telling me the story, right? Maybe there's a but a couple, you know, like a whole group of knuckleheads and either pull their heads out of their ass, right? You know, sure. But at the same time, you know, who knows? We're all here to play those roles with whoever.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

I know, it's so uncomfortable. I because you know, I was you know, feeling the pain and impact of of these students and a couple other situations, and people think maybe their intention, you know, cancels the impact of what they're doing, but it doesn't. You're but I know bringing it back to all right, and I I was doing this the other day where okay, what is going on inside of me if these relationships, these people that are in my sphere right now, and I am feeling pain and hurt and anger, lots of all of that. And I'm like, okay, what is happening with inside of me? Why am I reacting this way? What is it that is triggering me about what this person is doing right now? What'd you come up with? Oh man, I don't know. I it was a lot, and I think I'm still processing it. Well, okay, coming back to it's because that is within me too. I am judgmental. I can be, you know, I I I hope I'm working on that, but it still resides within me.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

And always to be a taskmaster and or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Yeah, just to, you know, make judgments about everyone and everything.

SPEAKER_02 11:02

And oh, I still do that. I still do that terribly, terribly. But I think I'm hopefully getting more mindful about it.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

Right.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Right. I'm catching myself most of the time saying, now you're being judgmental because yeah, because everybody's doing their own thing. Yeah. Yeah. And they're they're all on a different, like in their path, they're all on a different level of the path. So so yeah, you just gotta let them be. Let it be.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Right.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

Let it be.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Let it be, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

McCartney.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

I was listening to that song recently. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

See, it came on for a reason. It did.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Exactly. I know. Why do we cling so tightly to our intentions? What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 11:49

Ah, that's a great question. I think I think it has to do with identity. I really do. I think it's because we think that that's who we are.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

You know? I remember I used to beat myself up so bad if I couldn't get up on time to work out or to do something. And I would be in a shit mood all fucking day. Sorry. Is that okay? Is this podcast okay to cuss? Yes. Because really I feel like just crap. And then, you know, I started to wonder, well, where did that come from? You know, because like maybe who told you that you had to wake up at a certain time and do a certain thing. And I started to look at like uh different people that I or notable people or whatever, what what they do or whatever. And it's all over the place. People up at 10, up at three. It's like you start to realize that it's more of an individual thing, you know? And and then and then you realize, holy shit, if I would have just been doing the thing that I should have been doing, it flows effortlessly out of me. And so then when I have setbacks or things don't go the way they are, I'm not so attached to the outcome. I can just sit back and say, oh, so okay, that didn't go so well, you know, or maybe uh it was my body. That's a big thing at my age now, because it's just not doing the things like it used to do and having weird aches, you know, and and like what the heck? And it's just like, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna beat yourself up about that and get in a bad mood and just shit on the rest of your day? Or are you just gonna say, that's right, you know, I got that pain in the ankle and I can't really do that right now. Maybe I can do something else. Right. You know, if your intention, like Jessica and I were talking about this morning, uh if the intention is big enough and broad enough, then you know, it shouldn't you shouldn't have any attention uh attachment to the outcome. Right. You know, right. Like if if it's something like, you know, if you wanted to individuate to get to know myself better, if that's your intention, that's gonna be way easier than um I want to make sure that I get something done within a month. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Yeah, something like that. See what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

So so those are two different types of intentions. You know, so so maybe there's a hierarchy of that. Sure. Like maybe you can you say, okay, like I've got that as the main hierarchy. But to me, I think if if you're working your life in any kind of way, you're trying to get it to where Yeah. Like you do have that hierarchy of like, I want to be a better individual, so I'm gonna individuate. Well, what does that mean? Right. Like you have to break that down into what that means daily. And so, like a part of it is discerning your intentions and understanding that even though you think your intentions may be good, they might not be. Most likely they aren't. Most likely they're just a product of the times that you're living in.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Right. You know? Right.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

So that's okay. Yeah. You know, to be to be you and just let yourself express yourself the way it needs to happen.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

Right. And you brought up an interesting point in terms of setting an intention where, you know, okay, I just want to grow. I want to, you know, have a closer connection with my creator. When we have an intention like that, then yeah, that you can say, all right, well, a person that is doing this, how do they start their day? And how, you know, what are the things that that Vanessa does? You know, oh, she gets up early, she doesn't get on her phone, she sits, she meditates, prays, journals. And and so that's not coming then from that rigid, you know, I will do this and check that box and then do this and check this box. It's coming from flow again because I have this intention for myself. And and so that Vanessa does these things. And so it's it's that alignment.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

Alignment, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

And it helps to come from that place too.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

Because then you see those triggers and you're like, ah, uh, here I am.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

Right, right. Absolutely bringing awareness to that, yeah. Yeah, so intentions for good, or then vegan people convince themselves that their intentions are good, and that's that's yeah, everybody does.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

I think it was Dale Carnegie, yeah. Nobody thinks that what they're doing is wrong. Nobody thinks that what they're doing is wrong. Even criminals have made some kind of justification. Have you seen The Sopranos?

SPEAKER_01 16:34

No, you keep which is crazy, but at that time, no, I was not watching, you know, that type of TV.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Um, but you keep recommending it.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

It's a very, very good one. It's very, very nice, yeah. Goes with a lot of the evils of the world. But they're all us. It's all us. You know, you think that these this underground mafia family, it's like, oh no, only they're capable of doing it. It's like you watch that series and now you're like, holy crap, they're running the government now. They're running Big Pharma now, you know, those people. So Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Why do you think people are so why why do they need others to believe that they're good? Like, I don't know that's something that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Oh, it's a validation. Okay. Yeah, because uh I I was just watching, saw this on the internet somewhere about uh Gen X were talking about how we had to, you know, we learned this whole thing about narcissism. I don't know if that's necessarily true, but in pop culture we kind of did. Like it came with our generation that we understood narcissism. And like, and I think all it is, it's a validation to your identity, who you think you are. You know, and if you really tie that into outward appearances and external things, then yeah, that's your family has to do that. They have to put up this facade, they have to laugh at your jokes, they have to do all these things, and it's all just for identity. It's all just to prop up this idea of I was the person who did this and I do these things. Instead of just living from a place of wholeness, where you, and that means you identify or you try to live with your shadow, or try to at least incorporate or integrate it into who you are. And that's the thing that nobody wants to do. That's what we're all running away from. That's what you're filling yourself up with when we're watching TV and advertising, thinking that something, a beauty thing, or a health thing, or something's gonna fix it. Right. Dianetics. Don't worry what that is. So a Scientology book came out when I was younger. I bought that.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Because yeah, I mean, ultimately I think we're all searching for for an answer. So that was my beginning.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Yeah. So I know it intentions, I mean, they're typically hidden and and they're often hidden from ourselves too. And are we taking that time again to go inwards and sit with that? Like, why am I doing this? Where's this coming from?

SPEAKER_02 19:13

Yeah. Yeah. Am I doing it? Am I am I doing the things that I'm doing? Is it with intention? Like the way I'm living my life. Right. You know, like daily life or the things that I'm doing, is that with intention? Or are you doing it out of like escapism? Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:32

You know, what's what's that all about?

SPEAKER_01 19:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

You know?

SPEAKER_01 19:35

I was just talking to my friend about that yesterday. We if we don't set intentions for our lives, we just are like a ping-pong ball, bouncing off this, reacting from that, which is then sends the ball over here, and then we bump up against this and react to that. And so we're just ping-ponging our entire lives away and not living with that intention. And then maybe the question too isn't about, you know, are in our intentions good or not. It's am I willing to become honest about what's actually driving me?

SPEAKER_02 20:09

And that's why I I say all the time that everything in life is a negotiation. Because you end up, yeah, you have to negotiate these things with the people that are important, you know. So like your significant other, that's a big one. Because, you know, you're gonna you you you guys are running the cosmic ship, you know, together. You're gonna see if you can get through this this thing. And um I mean, if you're if you're doing it this way, the way Jess and I are doing it, because then yeah, it's just it it it runs differently. Right, you know?

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Right, yeah, for sure. And yeah, just coming back to seeing what is within, you know, that's that is what is feeding our external reality. So that be whatever it is that is going on with inside of us is what is then projected in our outward lives and our relationships and our actions. Awareness matters, I think that presence matters and humility, which is hard.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

That's nice. Yeah, that is very helpful.

SPEAKER_01 21:11

Living in the absolute now, in the now, yeah, living presently, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_02 21:15

Yeah, because that's that's that's all you can do. Because yeah, people are gonna bump up against you all the time with their intentions. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

That's what they're doing. Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 21:23

And so you have to listen and you're like, oh, and then I mean, like I said, it's all it's all negotiated. I think that's why a lot of people uh keep themselves away from people, like they get secluded, like you can't reach certain people, you know, with your intentions. Right, you know? Those are only available if they can break through barriers to get to you, you know. Yes. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

What do you mean by it's all negotiated?

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Uh okay, so like uh like if I have an intention that um I don't know, let's say 'cause I'm I'm trying to think about people who block people from being because you know, once you get to a certain place, you can you don't have to deal with people at all, like for real. Right. You can block yourself off from everybody and nobody you nobody will bring you any of their intentions, you know. You can get to that point. Sure. So so yeah, I think on a daily basis, you may bump into people like you know, um, a friend or a neighbor, that their intention is one thing. Yeah. And it kind of rubs different to the intention that you had. Right. Right. Happens a lot. I mean, that's why we have sayings like good fences make good neighbors, you know? So so yeah, I think it's just understanding that others have those as well. And maybe that's why um see, isn't it funny? I always get back to the Lord's Prayer every time we talk. The Sermon on the Mount about forgiving others for their trespasses. I never understood that, but it's like it's as an individual soul, if you're sovereign, what you'll have is a boundary. Yes, you know, those are boundaries. And so, you know, you have to allow, you know, forgive others for their trespasses, you know. So, you know, those kids, I remember those kind of shitty teachers. They're just gonna remember them as a shitty teacher. But then, you know, there's other teachers that I still hold in high regard. Yes. You know, I told you about my English teacher in freshman English, you know. That's right. Yes, you know, one of those, one of those voices that said, you should write. And I just ignored it. And but her voice stayed there. And it's like, it's just one of those things that's probably in you that she saw that's like, okay, you should be you should keep doing that. Right. So if anything, that's a kind of a cool way to encourage people, you know. And you see that kind of when you see that light coming through them, and maybe that's what it is that you see. That instead, it's not the negative that you're seeing, it's just that you wish that it could be where the teacher would understand. You're just trying to get that light out of them. Like there's something in them that has to come out.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

Right.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

And your job is to facilitate that.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

But instead, yeah, you're stuck in a paradigm that says, here, here's all my things. And if you don't measure up to it, then blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

And you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

Which is public education today, I know.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

And it's a loo, baby. Go along with that.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

But these new kids aren't they're not putting up with the this new generation is kind of there's a lot of awareness and discernment that I think this generation of kids has. And it's sad because I've seen a lot of adults say, well, you know, yeah, oh, they're just so weak and sensitive, like it's a negative thing. And I'm like, because they see through the BS, that's it. They they know when you are disingenuous and really don't care about them as a human being. It's just about the subject you're teaching. They get that.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Yeah. It's all about the identity. Yeah.

unknown 25:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Keeping your identity as teacher. So you do all the teacher things and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Yeah, it's sad. I hope things can turn around.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

Well, everybody's living their own journey. All those kids and her. I know. It's all part of it.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

I know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

So you can I mean, that's just me now. I can watch that now and just say, hey man. That's that's all part of it.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

I because I don't have any control over that.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

No.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

None. No. Only my reaction to it.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

That's what I've told my my students, my clients that I see. It's can't change who they are. How about you? But that's so hard for them, especially teenagers. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

Better get better they get independent now. Better they know that this thing is a a path of individuation, then they get lost. Because I remember every at every corner, I kept thinking, well, for sure the people in high school are going to have the answers, no answers. For sure I'm gonna get the answers in university, right? No answers. For sure I'll get the answers in real life, working, you know, with corporate people and knowing all these things. Nobody has the answers. And then I'll go get the answers from a guru. And now you find out gurus are like on Epstein's Island. So, okay, where you know, they're within. Absolutely. But just within, they're within. Yeah. Quit looking outside, quit thinking that something's gonna save you. That teacher's never gonna turn around. Nope. They never do. Right. These people that are stuck in identity, it's really, really hard for them to crack that open. Right. Right. It it's just it's a part of who they think they are. That that ego is so hardened that they have no way to think of themselves as anything other than that ego.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Right. So yeah, that's powerful. And again, our ego exists to keep us safe. And and so I don't know when I've heard people say like it's about, you know, like, yeah, crushing the ego or ego death or something. It's like, well, no, that's not how this is, but it is again having awareness of what it is and how it was here to help us, but to then transmute that.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

Well, we talked about this before. This thing is a playground. So we're supposed to come down here and have a good time.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

We're supposed to have a good time.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

And I don't see anybody playing. Yeah. Nobody takes play seriously. Yeah. You know, right. Everything freaking is about work.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Right.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Maybe that's what we're seeing in that thing. Because it's like, what happened to play? What happened to just playing and learning by through play? Right. I was driving through uh uh the country the other day, and I was like, uh it's it was a Monday, right? And um and there's nobody on the on the rivers or on the lakes, in the numbers that you would think that there should be, you know. On a beautiful day. On a beautiful day, right? And I'm just like, why why don't people play? Like, what happened to this attitude of like, this is a playground. If it is a playground, where are all the people playing? Mm-hmm.

unknown 28:30

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

Mm-hmm. They're all working.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

Well, they're playing games maybe at work, which does not sound fun at all.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the incarnation was supposed to be. I mean, this whole incarnation was supposed to be enjoyed, you know?

SPEAKER_01 28:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

And it doesn't have to be convoluted or or anything, like all this this noise about AI and all that shit. Don't listen to it. Don't give it energy. Right. Just don't give it energy because you're still a human. Yes. And you still you can go outside and enjoy a sunny day and smell the air and hug a tree. AI will never do that. Right. Your whole point was to come down here and love cats and love others and be in it, not of it. Just enjoy it. Enjoy the ride.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

Enjoy the ride. Enjoy the ride, yeah. Yes. Learn discernment.

unknown 29:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

In the beginning, you're not gonna know it. You're gonna play however you can, but quickly as you can learn. Because otherwise you'll you'll be an NPC. I thought about that. Remember Pokemon? Um, did you ever did Owen ever have a Pokemon? No, no. So yeah, that was a Kai did. So it would go up, it's uh you know, the little Pokemon would go up to a dude and then the little little thing, a little what do you call that little talk window?

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Yeah, a little conversation bubble. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

And and it would just be like he had nothing to say. Like he was not nothing for the game. Okay, it didn't help you with the game. It was just something silly, and it was just like, you know, what are you there for? You know?

SPEAKER_01 30:02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:03

Is that a no-intention person?

SPEAKER_01 30:06

There you go. Maybe maybe. Yeah. I I'm terrible at remembering um just different Jewish sages and who said what or in what text it was written, but it's just coming to mind that, you know, when when our soul leaves this body and this incarnation, that creator will ask, Did you enjoy my creation?

SPEAKER_02 30:27

Right.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

And I'm like, Whoa, did I? Did I? Yeah, that was really really a powerful statement that's made me think often, am I enjoying this?

SPEAKER_02 30:40

Or am I putting it harder on myself? Am I putting things in front of me that my ego thinks is good? Yeah, because I saw a commercial on TV or whatever, and it's like, maybe you don't need that. Yeah, maybe you don't need that, maybe you don't need as much as you think you need. Whittle it all down, sell everything to get to nothing and find out what is it that you truly need.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:05

What is it that you need on a daily basis?

SPEAKER_01 31:09

There you go. So yeah, intention. I'll I'll end with this. As I was um, it's the radio show I listened to, and there is a guest speaker on the radio show, um, Fortune to Saint Germain, and he was talking about in about prayer specifically, and how much when you know it it matters when when we pray intention plus joy. And I like that.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

Yeah, intention plus joy. Get that get that frequency up, exactly. Joy frequency up. And I said that's really good stuff. How does um if somebody wants to get a hold of you, how do they get a hold of you?

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Absolutely. Um, so I can be found on social media, on Instagram, TikTok. I didn't mention that last time. I didn't have TikTok and YouTube. Yeah. And yeah, my business is Expansive Life Solutions. And I help people who are just feeling stuck and maybe in apathy, you know, stuck on the same loops. And we're yeah, we keep repeating the same patterns in life and help people to interrupt that so they can have a joyful life and enjoy enjoy the kingdom right now.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Exactly. It's in front of you.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Yeah. And how about for you, Pablo?

SPEAKER_02 32:32

Oh, uh, okay. So I'm connect with you. Yeah, I'm working on if you can, if you want to, you can uh go read my Substack, uh, The Chronicles of Pablo. Uh if you want to just can continue the conversation about uh any of these topics like Alan Watts or Wu Wei or anything like that, again, I'm just uh pulling myself out of Plato's Cave right now, but you can uh email me at info at uh the chronicles of Pablo dot com. And uh yeah, I hope to keep up the conversation.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

All right. Thank you for listening. Cheers to next week.