Episode 7: Oneness Sounds Good Until Someone Hurts You

In this episode of Seeing What’s Here, Pablo and Vanessa explore what happens when spiritual ideas collide with real life.

They discuss alignment, authenticity, grief, slander, boundaries, and the challenge of staying open when people hurt us. What does “oneness” actually mean when you feel angry, betrayed, or misunderstood? How do we listen to another person’s perspective without abandoning ourselves in the process?

The conversation moves from the tension of human relationships to the surprising lessons emerging from beginning beekeeping and observing life inside a hive, where connection, responsiveness, and interdependence are unavoidable realities.

A grounded conversation about being human, staying honest, and learning how to see what’s actually here beneath reaction, projection, and separation.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

You ever notice how fast your mind goes to it's them, they're the problem, they're difficult, they don't get it. And it feels completely true and justified. But if you slow that moment down just a little, something important is underneath. And most of us don't stay long enough to see it. That moment right here, that's what this podcast is about. Welcome to seeing what's here. Hey Vanessa. Hello, good morning, Pablo. How are you? Yeah, I'm I'm doing good overall, I would say. I've had a lot of moments of sadness the past week with the loss of a very dear friend.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Um sorry to hear about that.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I am I am sorry, but it's also bringing up a lot of good, good things. I know she's we can delve more into you know grief and loss at a different podcast, but yeah, it is, it is um, yeah, I've had some really good experiences with just connection. I know she's not physically here where I can't text her or see her in, you know, with these eyes, but I know she's still here. So um it was just generating within me this week. Um, yeah, that we're not nothing is actually separate, you know. I I still feel such a strong connection to her within.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

I'd like to add too, because I know Julie too, because you you shared. Uh, and uh she wasn't a friend of mine, but I knew of her. And then um uh I I just remember that uh the day of her passing, I I was aware of it. And so when I was doing my meditations, I was like, yeah, where I wonder where she is in the field, you know, because she was always in the field, but now she's not, you know, material anymore. Yeah, it's all just spirit. And so I just sat with that for a minute and I don't know, it was good. And then my building popped. I always think that that's like a little sign, the synchronicity. Right. Um, because I don't think we're ever alone. I think people are, I think we're surrounded all the time. That's just I mean, that's just my thought. Um, but you know, you and I've talked about this before about death. Like, this is your first time for like somebody that you know a friend to die, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:21

Yeah, I would say someone's significant. I think it has been a blessing that in my life I've not been touched by death that much. I lost grandparents and godparents, but this is different. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Yeah, yeah. So I lost my grandfather when I was like six or seven around there, and um, he was I was really close to him. And so that was a weird experience to have knowing that knowing that there was an an existence there, there was a being there that made me feel safe. And now of a sudden, that being is not there. Right, and my safety went away. And then I mean, you have to just learn how to live within the world that you're in. It would have been nice to have had him, you know, that understanding that way of being. I I think I spent my whole life trying to emulate that just to get back to being, just being the way he was. He was just he liked to be. He wasn't into um proving himself, he wasn't into showing off. In fact, he he abored that, you know, people who acted like they, you know, knew something, but then really proved to not really know that. He didn't like he didn't like that. He liked men that could prove that they did stuff. And and again, it didn't matter. Like he was a uh truck driver, uh uh gravel truck driver for the city, but you know, his claim to fame was that he could get you anywhere around Dallas Fort Worth without without a map. And I thought that's the that was that was pretty cool, you know. So but anyway, I missed that way of being, and I think I've tried to reconcile that a long time, like probably probably my whole life. So I think I know what you're meaning when you're like, man, where are they? Yeah, they were here, they were a friend, I could talk call them. Yeah, and now where are they?

SPEAKER_03 4:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

Where are they?

SPEAKER_03 4:27

They're they are here. I just am not able to perceive, you know, yeah, those who have passed with with these eyes or any of these senses for you know, this dimensional reality. Yeah, anyway, but that's something we can like definitely unpack more later because I I did have a really cool experience at the time of her passing. So yeah. But I I think what where I've felt maybe imbalanced the this week is okay, I I felt this and feel this connection and this this unity with Julie's spirit. And I do want to dedicate this podcast to Julie to the elevation of her soul. Uh cheers. We love you, cheers to Julie. Yeah. Um, but then okay, so then here's here's the flip side of the mic coin at the same time. There are some people in my life that I'm really angry at. And it's like, you, I am not one with you. I am separate from you. Stay away. Right?

SPEAKER_00 5:30

What is that? What is that? What is that? Yeah, seriously.

SPEAKER_03 5:34

Seriously.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

I'm feeling that too. Yeah, yeah. Today, especially, you know, because a lot of times I I try really hard to not be in that space. I don't like that space, you know. But I tell you all the time, that space is trying to tell you something, right? So, but man, yeah. Who who who are you not liking coming at you?

SPEAKER_03 5:56

Oh, I'm not gonna bring that up.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

Well, I mean, what is it that it's coming at you? Um that that you're like prickling to or like it's prickling.

SPEAKER_03 6:05

Yeah, I think it's when somebody is, well, attacking somebody that I love. That's a big deal to me. I get very defensive and um saying things that are not true or taking the truth and twisting it, you know. So there's those, you know, feelings of betrayal and losing trust with people you you thought you oh right on, yeah. Had had a relationship, a level of relationship with. And yeah, it's very challenging. And yeah, so it's like you're not safe, stay away. I am not one with you.

SPEAKER_04 6:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

But like we've talked about last week, or whenever it was, how it's like, okay, what is bothering me about what they're doing? It is because it does reside within my and what is that?

SPEAKER_00 6:50

So, what is that for you? What are you feeling in you that is prickly because of the way they're doing that?

SPEAKER_03 6:57

Oh, because I know uh in my life I've said bad things about people or spread things that were not true, which it's gross. It's really gross. So I it's a commandment too, isn't it? Oh gosh, I should know this off the top of my head. But um bearing false witness. Bearing false witness. I mean, I I think the application of that is more like at a a level of like the justice system where if I was bearing false witness. Right, but it's still, you know, it's it's a big deal. It really is.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

Why is that a big deal, I wonder? Why is it a big deal to not to you know to not slander? Why is that a big deal?

SPEAKER_03 7:39

Well, according to the Jewish teachings, when you speak negatively about another person, you're essentially committing murder. Like they equate it to that because you are harming somebody's reputation. Um, you're harming, you know, their ability to go and do and be in the word. If our words are so powerful, which we know they are, that carries a lot of weight energetically.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

I like that. I love that. So that's why it is powerful. That's why it's a commandment. Yep. Okay. So when I used to work at Home Gas in the Caribbean, we were a monopoly propane company. So, needless to say, people didn't like us because it's like they couldn't get their propane from anybody else. They had to buy their appliances and propane stuff from us. So that added a whole layer of like, well, people that would come in with all these ideas that were not necessarily true. Like, well, you're just going to do this because you're the only propane company. And I remember talking to the general manager at the time, and I was like, okay, we should sort this because it's it's not good for business to have people talking like this all the time. And we really need to kind of have an established uh rapport with our customers that they trust us, you know? And so then uh eventually we just started to ask whenever the slander would come through, because it's gonna come through. Sure. Everybody has a different frame. We've talked about this before. They have their own journey, so they have their different frame, and so they're gonna sling that stuff around. So I would say, just ask the question, is it true? Is it true? Because even if there's a grain of truth in it, address it. You got to rectify that. You gotta address it however you need to with the group or with the person or whatever. Address it, rectify it, and move on. Because it needs to be. But then a lot of times, if it's really small, it's almost like just forget it, like a trespass. Like, I'm he's he's crazy, he's talking out of his ass. I can forgive that. I guess it depends on your journey. Yeah. What you got to do, right? Mm-hmm. Like if you're in the whole thing and you're, let's say, the general manager and you're responsible for the company, then you've got to take the responsibility to say, okay, that wasn't true, and I'm gonna talk to so-and-so-and-so, and we're gonna go and do a press release or whatever. Or or maybe I gotta sit down with so-and-so and so-and-so and have a heart to heart and say, I see you understand it this way, but let me tell you, you probably understand it that way because here's here's the way I meant it, right? Or here's what I said, here's how I got turned around, or whatever, whatever the situation is. But isn't it funny that slander is important? Yeah. Because the our words are important.

SPEAKER_03 10:29

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

And we can't be just using them and saying taking the energy out of them.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

Right. Yeah. Yeah. 100% agree. But you were thinking about this week a lot about alignment you were saying too. Do you think that leaves together?

SPEAKER_00 10:47

My uh my thing for the week was alignment. Yeah, it was uh because a lot of things kind of did align for me. And uh um, but at the same time, you know, um, because you know, I'm always seeking truth, and so um I I kind of started to discover something uh going to look at a certain desire that I had, right? Um secret shadow stuff. And I suppose in this podcast, we don't necessarily have to talk about details, we can just say um just sexual shadow stuff, stuff like that. But I saw it through, talked to a friend, he was like, dude, life's absurd, don't worry about it. And those are the those sexual shadow things are things that you really need to integrate because otherwise you can't be whole. And so I was able to do that and came out the other side and I was like, huh, that's pretty cool that uh it worked out that way. And a lot of things were eliminated, you know, about the way you know, just the way we are with one another. In fact, it was it's quite illuminating. So um I'll be chewing on that for a little bit. Yeah. But anyway, it puts it brings me back to the whole thing that life's a journey, you know, and that you're you're on your own path of self-discovery. And so, you know, like what you're dealing with now with the two, like the two ideas of like, well, we're whole and we're one, but I'm also really upset and I feel so separate for from people who act this way towards me. Right. It's all the same. Right. That is you, and that is yeah, that that is you.

SPEAKER_03 12:30

So do you think it's alignment like with our higher selves or alignment with truth that's thinking?

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Yeah, yeah. Maybe it's aligned with with truth because it was something that wouldn't go away. And then whenever it was seen all the way through, it was like, holy crap, is that all there is to that? And then it was illuminating. Yeah, it was like in it all, you in it when it's all said and done, you see God. That's where he's hiding. Like Alan Watts says, it's all hide and seek. Right, right. And it's like it's it's it's behind your desire. Follow that desire.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

Would you say that's true of like anything in life though?

SPEAKER_00 13:19

I think so.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

If it's all I mean, even somebody that's like stealing or murdering, but they don't think they're doing wrong.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

They got some kind of path that they're on. Yeah. Yeah. Like the Sopranos, Tony Soprano, yeah. Nobody thinks that nobody thinks that what they're doing is yeah, totally wrong. Like for them, they just they they said that they're soldiers. God grants them a pass because on this earth they're just making right what couldn't be made right through the law system.

SPEAKER_04 13:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

You know, so so in heaven, they they're looked upon like that.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

All right, gotcha. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

That's his justification for criminal intention, like we talked about last year.

SPEAKER_03 14:00

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

Nobody's nobody's ever doing it wrong. There are no saints and sinners, you know. There's no saints and sinners. You're here to do your thing and see it through.

SPEAKER_04 14:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

You came as a little piece of source as all eternity and all love, but you came down here to the playground for the experience.

SPEAKER_04 14:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

You ain't gonna know it unless there's a little darkness or shadow.

SPEAKER_03 14:23

Yeah. Wow. Uh I need to chew on that. Yeah. And maybe that oneness isn't so much about okay, that spiritual idea of okay, we're all one, and so I just, you know, let myself get kicked around. I I don't know. I don't get that.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

I think that's spiritual bypassing, don't you?

SPEAKER_03 14:43

Yes. Yes, I do. So, you know, I I do have issues with the whole turn the other cheek concept because I I know, I know. But maybe it's just that I stop pretending that I'm separate from that human, the human capacity for anger, for betrayal, for slander, for all of those things, for from projection. Like I I am, I connect with all of those things, whether you know I perceive them to be a negative feeling or a negative behavior. It's I'm capable, again, going back to that, I I am capable of all of that and feeling all of that. And maybe that's what that oneness is.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

When you when was the last time you slandered somebody? Can you remember? I'm trying to see if I can think.

SPEAKER_03 15:35

When was the last time I like slander or gossip?

SPEAKER_00 15:39

Okay, let's start with gossip.

SPEAKER_03 15:43

Probably as recently as yesterday.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:46

Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

We do a lot, don't we? Oh, I know. So what's the difference between gossip and slander?

SPEAKER_03 15:53

In my mind, I would think a slander is intentional. Yes. To undercut somebody's legs right out from under them. Yeah. Like to intent to harm.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Right. Yeah. I think you know, you can't be you can't be a coward. I think if your soul's journey, if you're like if you're in a position where that's what you're having to deal with, I would set up processes to deal with it properly. Like I said, you can't ignore it. If somebody comes up with some slander, the first thing I say instead of that's not true, the first thing I say is, is there any truth to that?

SPEAKER_04 16:28

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Is there any truth to that? And then that way, I'm always asking that question. Right. Especially if you're in that position. That way, maybe that is turning the other cheek. Everything of that? Mm-hmm. I don't know. Yeah. I think of the turning the other cheek all the time too. Like if somebody's gonna slap you. And then like you're supposed to just give them that other cheek to slap.

SPEAKER_03 16:53

Yeah, I don't see. I don't jive with that.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

What would happen if we tried?

SPEAKER_03 17:01

Because I d I feel like I need to put up boundaries so that somebody does not continue to harm me, you know. Not to just give myself over to be kicked around.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Yeah, especially like in slander. I don't think it'd be very healthy to just keep having that lobbed over there to you. You have to deal with that in some sort of way. But but that's what I'm saying. I think in a lot of in a lot of ways that is your soul's journey. Like um, you get good by addressing those things one one by one, you know. People only get better one by one. Yeah, said that all this time.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

Yeah. Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

Because it's just they just have a different frame, you know? Yes, yeah. And it feels personal to you maybe because you're a little vulnerable, open, you know, because of what's going on, and you wish the world could be more, whatever. But you know, the world doesn't stop because people die.

SPEAKER_04 17:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:58

Sure doesn't.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

I wish it could because it's really sad sometimes, but it doesn't, it keeps going.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Yeah. Just like the beehive keeps going. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

They're not gonna stop.

SPEAKER_03 18:10

They sure don't. Yeah. It's that's so this is a new venture for us and yeah, for our producer Jessica, who's joining me on the journey.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

And it's been really enjoyable to yeah, just I not that I'm doing anything, I'm just letting the bees be. Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

You know, but I yeah, set out facilitating what they do naturally.

SPEAKER_03 18:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

That that actually was a pretty cool part of last week. It was watching y'all do that.

SPEAKER_03 18:40

It was so impressive.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

There was a lot of uh connections between the bee, the beehive, divine feminine, okay, and how that gets manifested.

SPEAKER_03 18:53

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

You know?

SPEAKER_03 18:56

Talk more about that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

That could be a whole other podcast. Well, it could be, yeah. I think that could be a whole other podcast because I think we've got the cart before the horse.

SPEAKER_04 19:04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

I I mean, and again, I'm going out of the limb here, but I think that yeah, we haven't we haven't been paying attention to our own souls and our own like we don't even know the connection to our bodies properly. You know, so true. Like divine feminine, divine masculine within yourself, right? And to make the two one, we don't know that, yeah, as Americans. Yeah, we think that sex is something outside of yourself. And it's just a sad realization that you you realize that the first half of your life you lived the way Madison Avenue wanted you to, and all your friends and family did too. And you're just like, you know what, fuckers, you were all fucking wrong. The cart you put the cart before the horse. We're here to have a good time. That's it. It's a playground, and you guys keep making it work first. I never fucking got it. Yeah, and I never will. Yeah. I mean, I was illuminated, yeah, and you guys are working too fucking much. You need to go fucking play some more. For real. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

I'm working on it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

All you slandering people, what the fuck are they doing?

SPEAKER_03 20:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

Quit slandering. Shut your mouth, go find something cool to do. Fuck.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

Find something cool to do. That's it, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

Yeah, that I mean, I'm telling you, we might do a podcast on it because you drill down into all that stuff, and it's it's the main bitch of everybody. It's the main bitch. Everybody has that same fucking bitch.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

What work?

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Play. It turns into everything has to turn into some kind of sexual shadow because of the American society and all that. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. We're not separate. It was supposed to be a good time. That's what I thought of when Julie died. She turned it into trying to keep herself alive instead of playing. She should have been playing the whole time. Especially if you're told, oh, from a doctor of all people. Oh, you've only got six months to live. Or if you don't do this. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, fuck you, dude. Go fuck yourself. I don't need your fucking chemotherapy. I don't need this bullshit. I'm gonna go out there and do what I want to do because this is the playground. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Very illuminating. Very illuminating. So no, we're not separate. And all these little things that you're bumping up against, it's because you're supposed to. Yeah. It's that disagreeableness, I think, that either either you're gonna say, all right, this is the soldier's. I signed up for. So let me let me get the armor I need. Let me get that right. I don't speak very well. Or maybe I don't uh maybe I don't have those leadership qualities that I need. Well, fuck, I'm gonna go take a class on public speaking and leadership or whatever. I'm gonna do it constantly until uh until that slander goes away or whatever that is. If there's no there there and it's all just whatever, maybe it's a phone call to that person, or maybe it's a newspaper article that has to be written, you know. If you are, if that's part of your soul's journey and it's important, then you need to deal with it.

SPEAKER_04 22:36

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

But if it's not, like if your soul's journey has nothing to do with the slander that's coming your way, that's just somebody fucking jealous of you. You know, let them have it. Yeah, let them have it. People who know you, they know that you're not like very true.

SPEAKER_03 22:51

You know, I know that's like why am I bothered? Because I don't even respect these people anyway. So I don't care what they say.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Well, I mean, that's what I'm saying. Um, maybe there is some there though, though, you know, just because somebody isn't somebody you like doesn't because that that happened to me a lot. I would see, you know, people that that's like there's no way they have any kind of grievance that is worth a shit. But then they'd come in and they'd tell me something, I'd be like, oh fuck. They absolutely absolutely do have a grievance.

SPEAKER_04 23:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

I may not have thought it was a grievance, but the way they shared it with me and the frame that they came with it, it's like, oh, that's absolutely a grievance. Yeah. I see what you're I see how you're coming to me at that. Yeah. And they love that too because they've been heard. Sure. And I say, yeah, you're right. It is the way you're telling me that way, you're right. That that was me, and that's what how I did it. I apologize. Next time I'll do this or that.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

So yeah, those frames through which we or the lenses through which we see the world. See the world and then experience it.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

I mean, don't you ever wonder how these people bump up against you? Yeah, sure. Because not everybody gets to bump up against you. Not everybody have has access to the Ramsey's, you know, yeah. Or to you in particular. It's not until you go to the grocery store and then all of a sudden the produce guy can talk to you. He's at he has access to you. Or you go to get your hair done. And the stylist, you know, she has access to you, you know, to your thoughts and words and all that. So it's like, isn't it weird how we all kind of bump up together? And why is it that some people do and some people don't? Right. Right. And you have to discern.

SPEAKER_03 24:37

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

Oh, that's what I do.

SPEAKER_03 24:40

Oh, giving me more to think about, Pablo. Access, yeah. Hmm. Yeah, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

The silent pauses, you just skip right over that, can't you? If it's a long pause. I can't. But then sometimes pauses are nice. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

Yeah.

unknown 24:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

So maybe alignment is about, you know, not arguing with what we're actually feeling. You know, when we argue with, okay, however, whatever I'm feeling, or whatever needs are that I'm experiencing, you know, if I argue with it, then I'm creating a resistance. But if I can just release on it and let it flow, there, there's alignment.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Maybe it's like martial arts. I've never really taken martial arts, but what I understand about it is like it's almost like uh you just want to deflect their energy away from hurting you. Because it's going to come towards you, and then you're going to want to either get out of the way or do one of those movements, you know, to move it. So in in our world of words, it's kind of the same thing. Yeah. Like it's going to come at you. The slander is going to come at you, but I think you have to have a mechanism to deal with it properly. Like either yeah, ask, is it true and deal with it? Right. Or is it not even significant to my journey that I can ignore it? Because if I can ignore it, that's energy I don't have to expend on that as well.

SPEAKER_04 26:08

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

And then like if you get in your like if you get the if you get your process really good, then it's almost as if you understand that your whole job is to do that. That is part of my job. I'm constantly part of my job is I'm deflecting that stuff. And then a lot of times uh I used to tell people, well, actually it wasn't me. It was a customer service represented, uh customer service manager. She brought it up to us one time, uh, because she was like, Paul, how come the phones ring so much in here? And I was like, um, I know. I've just I've always been like very trained to just be able to answer the phone, you know, within three rings. You know, just get it, get it, get that gas order, you know, get the get the call. So within three rings, you're getting that call. And then one day she said, Um, how come we get so many damn phone calls in here? There's a lot of phone calls. And then she sat down, she said, look at all these phone calls, and then she went through what they were. And then she said, How cool would it be if we did like she had different ideas for basically a lot of these questions can be answered on a website, on a phone message, um, a sign. All different kinds of ways to address those silly little phone calls, right? To where you kind of avoid some of them. So instead of getting a hundred phone calls, now with these little things in place, now you're gonna get 30.

SPEAKER_04 27:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

You know, and those are your 30 phone calls that are the good ones, like for sales and for more gas and all that. And I was like, holy shit, that's really smart. So it's just a process. So, in other words, you know you're gonna get the phone call. Right. So if you know you're gonna get slandered, you know that's happening.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Have a process. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

Have a process. And then once you realize, okay, this is a common thing happening over and over, let's put something in place where people, I'll just nip that around the bud. Either a person, even sometimes, or uh an activity. I know that uh at the very end of working at Home Gas, we had a reputation of, you know, like not listening to certain contractors or whatever. And so I remember remember towards the end, I told our managers, as it was like, let's have an after hours. Because it was real popular in the Cayman Islands where the businesses after five would have an after hours. And so they would have nibbles and drinks, and people from everywhere would come just to, you know, see the new cars or see the new whatever's. And I I told them, I said, let's let's let Humcast do that because lately we've been getting a little pushback from our contractors because we hadn't been really responsive like we should. And so we had this little get together, and it was good because they were able to say some things productively, you know. So it's almost like, you know, maybe the slander and all that kind of stuff is just a way of somebody saying something's not working. Here I am. Could this work better? Sure. You know, I don't know. Again, I don't know, but I'm just saying from my experience, right? People coming after you with all kinds of bad negative information that seemed to be the that seemed to be the regular thing for me in propane. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

Yeah, the energy business, which is doesn't that apply everywhere?

SPEAKER_00 29:29

Yeah, yeah. Isn't that funny? Yeah. The energy business, you're right.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

Everything's in life, everything's an energy exchange in this life.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

It really is just like my fire guy.

SPEAKER_03 29:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Give me the firewood, yeah.

unknown 29:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:44

And then as my energy teacher is teaching us, energy is really data. You know, what do I what am I doing with all that data? Right. I don't know. That's a whole other idea of it. I've been stewing on. But maybe seeing what's here is just recognizing that, you know, again, it's I don't know, holding that that paradox of the human experience of I feel love, I feel anger, I feel resentment, I feel joy. It's, you know. All together. All together, yeah, in the human heart at the same time. At the same time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, uh, and I think it only makes a difference in your soul's journey, is like if it if it's that important that you need to make a change, I think you'll make a a change. But ultimately, I think there isn't nothing outside that you have to do, really. Alan Watts has said that too. That you could go and you know to India and learn how to become a Buddha, but you don't have to. Right. You could just stay here and do that just as well.

SPEAKER_03 30:50

I think that's it for this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

I think, yeah. Well, is there anything else that we didn't cover?

SPEAKER_03 30:56

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

If if somebody wants to get a hold of you, how can they do that?

SPEAKER_03 31:02

Yeah, so I can be reached on all social media platforms, TikTok, Instagram, the old Facebook, YouTube, and uh my business is expansivelifesolutions.com. And I help people who are kind of stuck on the hamster wheel of life, repeating the same old patterns and living in apathy, you know, so that we can break those patterns and actually be aligned. And so hold that paradox of opposites that we experience in life. Yeah. How about Free of Pablo?

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Well, I would like to help anybody that wants to do this kind of work. And um uh the easiest way to do it is just reach me at info at chronicles of chronic chronicles of Pablo.com and just email me and you know if you have questions or if um if you just want to talk about this stuff, because I remember when I was growing up or you know, getting up, I didn't have anybody to talk to as a manager or a worker about these kind of things. You know, it seems like you'd have to go to church or something and church wasn't a place for me. So um if these kind of things that are, you know, interest you and you want to talk about them, just email me and uh we can start the dialogue. All right. Cool. Thanks, Vanessa.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

Yeah, you bet. Let's have a good week.