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How Running Saved Me From Addiction — Personal Trainer Matty Bell

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In this inspiring episode, Ryan sits down with Matty Bell to talk about his powerful journey from addiction and recovery to becoming a running coach and health motivator for his community.

Matty shares the highs, the lows, and the turning points that led him to take back control of his life—then use his story to uplift others. Whether you're battling your own challenges or looking for a reason to start again, this episode delivers raw honesty and real motivation.

 

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SPEAKER_02

Hello everybody, welcome to PT Launch Lab episode 11. Today we're with Matty Bell. We're going through his journey from recovery all the way to being pointy for that running coach. Are we ready? Right, so obviously I've known you for a while now, so I've known you from I'd say good times, bad times. I've had some good memories. Um some uh some of the memories though that led to where we are today. So I just wanted you just to start from the beginning, mate. Tell us a little bit about yourself, how it all started.

SPEAKER_03

Um in 2021, just after COVID uh finished, I um jumped on bandwagon and um well most of the life I've been an addict, basically. So um COVID COVID hit and then obviously I'll so were you were you worse during COVID?

SPEAKER_02

Is that what is that what triggered it off the most? Right, right, right. But about a I can look back now and see that I'll be addicted on like Yeah, and it but it just spiraled more from COVID. Were you were you by yourself in COVID than I was?

SPEAKER_03

No, so I had partnering little girl. Um but I didn't feel like I was doing anything wrong. Yeah, you tell yourself that you so in my in my head I was I was thinking it was right, what I was doing.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well like I've I'm not um I've never been like a huge, huge drinker. I'd ever been to the point where I felt like I need to to pull it back or anything like that. But like this year alone, I thought I'm gonna do six months. Told you, didn't I? We we had that conversation before. I wanted to do six months sober. I did that mid I had my last drink at Ponty Races, like a couple like must have been two months ago now. When I and when I drunk, I didn't really I didn't really enjoy it, and then I I've not drunk since and I don't know if I'll if I will now. Did you have any did you have any breaks in it? Or did you like just go straight flat boom and then that were it? Or no breaks no attempts? No. Because I've had a few attempts.

SPEAKER_03

I yeah, so like I did I did try that because people were telling me to. So they're like, you need you need to sort yourself out, you need to do this, you need to do that. So I did go and like pretended that I were interested in getting recovered, but to the Amy to the meeting, yeah. Um but this time in COVID, I um back to my mom's and enough for enough.

SPEAKER_02

That were where you accepted it yourself. That day, yeah, that I accepted it. Do you know what? It's a good conversation actually. From um, I mean there's nothing to do with the PT, but I love like I love the topic anyway. But what do you reckon to dry January? Right, so here's here's my quick views, right? I think it's a great place for some people. So I'll use my twin brother, for example. He'll if he's watching it, he'll be laughing. He does dry January every year, but he has the worst February ever, then. So do you think that creates you have one good month and then you have 11 terrible months? Because I feel like that February is even worse.

SPEAKER_03

If you can have a drink and enjoy it and it doesn't affect your family life, then it saves anything you've got to have a balance.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I've I know quite a few, uh quite a few friends to be honest, um, who follow that loop and then know that they shouldn't be doing it as much. I think everyone who probably should dial it down a little bit, no matter who they are. I think even the even the ones who are drinking a couple of times a week and it's just a couple of cans at night, it's no good for you. Like, we all know that. Like, well, I'm not here to tell you not to do that, but I f I just feel like the dry jam thing sets you up on such a like you start set so basically, right? You do dry jam because you want to stop the thing that's bothering you, or you think it's a problem, right?

SPEAKER_03

But then you do it and you celebrate by having a drink, it's just madness out of us, and then you do it more because you don't so you're not actually getting any.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and that and I feel like and I feel like that's the only month that seems acceptable when they do it. Do you know what I mean? What's the other one? It's October, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03

Yes, October.

SPEAKER_02

So you've got two months in the year there, that still leaves ten months.

SPEAKER_03

I I think alcohol is one of the worst. Yeah, definitely worse.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely. I think um I think if you put them all together, I think alcohol's probably the worst one. They say it's the worst drug out of them all, don't they?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, food. Another one, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, do you uh yeah, well we might as well go on to that, mate. Anyway, well so obviously I've only just really found out that you were going more into the nutrition side from the running, but let's um let's go back to from end of end of COVID then. So when you started, what was the first thing you did? I know other some people might do like couch to 5k. Were yours that small of a thing, or what it was something totally different, mate.

SPEAKER_03

So when when um I started with these meetings, I did night meetings, the night of days. And then at that point I felt really lonely, like I didn't have anybody around and go no one. But I literally got everybody around. But in my head I felt like I had no one. So this one day I started on bike. Started biking, nothing to do with running. I used to look at runners and think of them. Um I started up biking or biking, and then it like I'll get further and further and further and further bikes. And then it worked one in my egg, so went for a bike daddy, and he went, can you try and run it? No. So next day got a got bought a pair of running trainers, started running, and then you just took off on the room.

SPEAKER_01

So what at what point did you buy that treadmill that you never used?

SPEAKER_02

Anybody watching, uh obviously I know Matt is into running and we needed a treadmill for Jimmy ended up selling me his treadmill because it it only it's I think to be fair, when I went round I think there were a couple of coats on it.

SPEAKER_01

But you've got another one.

SPEAKER_03

Because I like to be out in open air and that it helps you mental well. And then so yeah, I started running. Um I would do it like running that park, basically. Yeah. And that's how it started. But God, I I couldn't run.

SPEAKER_02

I think that's how every every person in Pontifrax starts is by running right race course, in it, and that's that's the test of I'm gonna run so much, and then they start doing it by fur furlong, don't they? And they start doing that to see how long they can do. I've even done it with clients, you know, who've wanted to get into running but want. And I used to meet one of them three times a week, and we used to keep getting further and further until we could get all the way.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that that's how it starts, and then all stopping and starting, and then I saw a race, do a pony fact race. Yeah. Alright, all in of that.

SPEAKER_02

And do you think do you think all this ties in with addictive personality?

SPEAKER_03

Yes, definitely. So it's like some as soon as I enjoy something, I'll do it.

SPEAKER_02

That's it, 100%.

SPEAKER_03

Like say you've got to have a balance.

SPEAKER_02

Were you ever like that as a kid? Like did you um were you ever into sports as a kid and get mad addicted to what did what was that?

SPEAKER_03

So at s at school um I did all sports, every single sports. Um but with me, I think like I'm type one diabetic and and I think it was from being a bit different, and that's how it's come to where I where I was because I had a good upbringing and um good family around me. So I think that's and then I had about a long pin for you. And that's what just stayed you in the wrong direction. Uh but it's only now since I've got into recovery uh that that I can see them tricks that I have, yeah. Um but yeah, so going back to running, um I didn't have a clue. Oh that's what do you mate?

SPEAKER_02

It's like every anybody anybody does there's I think there's a there's a lot more to it than people think, isn't there? And until I think until you start running, because like you've just said there, good good way of putting is it you always want the next thing, right? Right, it's a race, right? What else can I do? How else can I do it? How do I go further? How do I go faster? And then all of a sudden you start you realise the zones and everything, and and I feel like it's it's more depth than the zones as well. There's so much more depth to it, isn't there?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, but there's a a lot, it's not just a case of just getting up and running, is it?

SPEAKER_02

So into the into the coaching side then, mate. So we'll start we'll we'll start more from the beginning. So what made you want to start doing it then? Or is that the next thing from like right? I've done the races, right? How can I now help other people?

SPEAKER_03

Was it like So that's obviously part of my recovery as well is a lot of helping others. Whereas I I like to part of the recovery is helping others, and then I started at running group, started helping others, just like on with the running basically as a run lead. Um and then I was getting better and better, so I was looking at ways that I could get even better. And I still do it today, so after every run, I'll go home, I'll look at all the data, I'll be like, how can I improve to get to that point? And that's where I got to where they have. Um and then from that like what next? Yeah. That's clear, and then I got through put through my running coach fitness.

SPEAKER_01

Didn't have a clue, like yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I did the course I'll anxiety worried about can I do it wrong? And it's the same same with the PT as well. I want everybody to be the same as me in helping to get to that point.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I like I um I love how I love your story. Like a million other people have got different stories. Every I think everyone likes like a like a comeback story, you know, like obviously coming from recovery, and I think people appreciate it more. So, how many years have you been sober now?

SPEAKER_03

So Christmas it'll be five years. That's crazy, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02

When did when did I do that run with you then? That must have been because I'm sure you're only two and a half years at that point. Is that how long ago it was? Not racing you now then, God.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, well, I can run at any pace, it's gonna be and what's what's the furthest you've run now? So I've um I've done all to marathons, marathons, but at the minute I'm concentrating on the shortest up.

SPEAKER_02

Right. So when I when I first started chatting to you, obviously I think the it was sub sub 20 for your 5k. I think you might have already done that. And it would 10k sub 40, was it? Right. So what are your times now?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so so obviously like everybody everybody's got golf on the same coaches like when I go to coach somebody like what's your goals? Well my goals were sub 25k, sub 40 10k, sub 130 art marathon, and sub free marathon. So after because you won't engage it's not straight up, it's it's spiral went down and eventually got the sub 25k 10k could I Yeah man I can remember you doing it for ages like I couldn't get it and then February last year I I knew I were in a good place and yeah, fans got it, and now did you uh did you sort of design your own program to do them then?

SPEAKER_02

Or did you ever have you ever have you had a coach or yeah, so that's another thing.

SPEAKER_03

Like I was doing bits and I thought I need to go to that next level. So I was like, I need a coach to show me that way.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So then I got a coach, got my lactate testing done, um and then he gave me some and he written me a plan and I was like, This is just a basic plan. But now I understand why you're on that plan, right? See, but I stick to that plan.

SPEAKER_01

Right, right, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So then I stuck to the plan and I I I did get better, but then I was doing more speed work because I'm an addict. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And because I liked it, I should but that didn't that didn't get me better. So I battoed. So I went back to him, got another test, and I was like, eating some more middle round. So I brought middle round into it and then it was Hey Hello there, hope you're enjoying the podcast.

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SPEAKER_02

Well, I can remember this is one just one that stuck with me as well from when I run the when I run the half marathon and I went training any train for four weeks for it. And I can remember training with John Wottam at the time who was actually coaching me through it, and we were supposed to be doing a 12-week plan, and it got to four weeks, and I said, mate, like can I just go run one like next week? And you were like, Oh, you'll be fine, just run it steady. And then as soon as I'd run it, it were like two hours and three minutes, and I rung you, and you were like, You just need to get on the two hours now, and I and I said, Yeah, but then I've just like for me again there, like I've really got no interest in speed aspect at all, me. So I'd want to go uh full marathon, and then I'd want to do like an ultra. The speed doesn't interest me, which is weird how you can be addicted to different things, but like I think my fastest 5k is about 22 minutes. I've just got yeah, but tiny legs though.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, with without training, you would get to that. Like, I did all these, like I would do erases every two, every couple of weeks, and like now back of like how were they all in? It was just a sense of completing, yeah, and that's probably where but you're saying so. I completed all of them, well, like I need some more, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And I think I at the same I'm like I'm as I'm as bad as you, mate. I'm as bad as anyone who's uh got that addictive personality. So once I'd done the half marathon, then I looked into triathlons, and but how I wanted to do it because I know what I'm like, right? How I tried to do it, mate. I tried to go. Me and my dad were gonna do uh a duathlon, which is bike run, right? I thought, right, we'll do that. So I've done the half marathon, I'll do the bike and run, then I'll do a sprint triathlon, then I'll do a full triathlon, then I'll do Olympic triathlon, then I'll look at I am and I want my and I will and I'll base it because I know I'd get a sense of achievement after doing one extra rather than some people start training, right? I'm doing marathon when they ain't done half. Where I feel like it's sense of achievement, and that's what I'm I just like completing stuff.

SPEAKER_03

But you will come like I class myself as mentally strong because I've overcome obviously alcohol and you've got to everything smoking, as smoking about I've become like baby, I can overcome anything, and in in my mind, I believe I can do anything.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. That's what you need though. If I do anything, do you think that's helpful coaching then?

SPEAKER_03

For yes, definitely, but I have to like look at where they come from, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And that's part coaching, and that's and this is what I'm struggling with at the minute, and I obviously this podcast about you, not me, but that's what I'm struggling at the minute with because I'm I'm fighting next week and there's no excuses, there's not like with a diet-wise and stuff like that, like I'm just 150% every session, every day, regimented like a robot, mate. There's I don't eat for taste and that I'm just eating because it's the job needs to be done. I don't and that's and so I I I really struggle struggle to listen to people's perspective when it sounds like excuses to me, but what what I've got to realise is not everyone's you, not everyone's built the same, they're not all programmed the same. People want to do this as an achievement or for some fun. It's not always that level, and I used to lose clients off that.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that's part of coaching, it's part of questionnaire when they fill it in, and you need to you need to look at where they'd come from and try and get the best out of them, isn't it? Not everybody thinks like you, and I so on the your point coming from recovery.

SPEAKER_02

Have you had any people who've signed up with you now who who like a drink at weekends and then they might miss a run and then they've got to have that conversation with someone who's come through that? Is it that won't be awkward, I guess, would it? Or but but what's your approach to that?

SPEAKER_03

I can only advise them. I can't remember the thousands. 35 years. Yeah, I can't I can't do that. But when they do, it's like are you hydrating? Oh yeah, it's just like excuses, but I can only give them the information. It's the same with the recovery, mate. I can only give them information. If they don't want to do it, then they're gonna do it. But I do feel that when people are paying for fans, they're more accountable and they'll want to do it. Yeah, because I've had it before where I've riding clans out and they don't end up following it.

SPEAKER_02

Have you ever given a free plan away just for people to tested and they never do it? Because people are s people w wanna pay, they want to get the money's worth. It's good that we come from a tight area in that way. If I've ever given anyone, we used to do one at Christmas for Ultimate Shred every year, and we did a free two-week plan. And I mean, obviously Christmas is a bit, but um that were the worst. Like everyone after, no one had even messaged you back. You're like, but then come come January and stuff, it were like different breed.

SPEAKER_03

If if everybody did follow, I I don't mind doing it for free because it's helping them, but what I find is that like you just said, they don't follow it.

SPEAKER_02

Do you know what though you put you'll put the three hours in without realising for the ones that are committed, so the ones that pay use it, ones like you said, who are a bit more dedicated, they're willing to put that money up front, or the least willing to give it a big try. There is a sense of responsibility then where you're you have to hold on to them because again, you know what it's like with beginning, it's like rolling a snowball down a nil, mate. You get that snowball effect, you get that momentum, you're buzzing, and then all of a sudden they have they do have a slip up on a weekend, or they've done everything too fast, so they've they've started this running, and then they've started eating well, and then they've started doing not doing this, not doing that, and then all of a sudden there's too many rules, and then when they have some rubbish to eat, and they feel like I then missed a run, and then I've had rubbish, and then again the snowball goes the other way.

SPEAKER_03

So when when they come to me like for coaching that, I'll always say, like, have you got what's your goal? Can we book a race? So you've got something to train towards, yeah. Rather than training for nothing, you well, you're not you're not trained for nothing, you just train to keep fit, aren't you? But if they've got something to train towards, then it makes it easier.

SPEAKER_02

And there's it that intimidation factor of saying like I can't tell it tell my lads enough when they're boxing, like you do know that you're going to fight someone like it. It's not you you can't skip corners, you'll get found out there. Obviously, the racing for someone that is their boxing event. Do you know what I mean? Like, it don't matter what scale we're on, what sport we're doing. If you sign up and you go into someone who might have struggled with anxiety or whatever, and never really put themselves out there like that, and then they're on a big race. Mate, how busy are racers? Now you've got to look at 25k, or whatever.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's uh that's where my PB is. That is the park runs today. That's what I meant to say. Like that, like they're still they're busy.

SPEAKER_03

It's really busy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

What were the what were the club that you were running from before?

SPEAKER_03

You didn't you because you were I'm still at the that club.

SPEAKER_02

You're a leader, the leader there, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03

No, I'm coach there as well. All right. Running coach there. Uh parking though. Uh well, I'll never leave that club because that's so basically when going back to being sober, when I said I felt lonely and like we're on the home, I joined the running club. These are normal people. Where are these our club property are they? So that's what I think has helped me to get to where I am today, because as some of the nice people there.

SPEAKER_02

I mean it's nice because it's just and it's a sense of community and like-minded people, isn't it? Like we've we've made, we must have spoken about this on phone for Sport World about it. This is why we know this podcast to be easy, mate, because the amount of conversations we've had, same thing. Like it's weird. As soon as you come out with a circle of drinking and stuff, then you realise which which pals are close, or you ain't got as much relatable as you thought.

SPEAKER_03

You attract they said right now. I attract people who want to get better about runners, yeah. Whereas before it was.

SPEAKER_02

I think uh the good thing about running community. I think I mean I very rarely see as many, especially negative comments. Like everyone wants everyone to do well, and even if someone puts a time on, that's not good. I thought loads pop up on mine all the time on my Facebook and stuff like that. These running clubs and people putting their times in, there's thousands of people just been like patting them on back. I don't know if there's a closer community me than than running.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, well, everybody wants everybody to do well.

SPEAKER_02

I want everybody to do well because that's how I and I and it's very hard to knock, innit? It's very hard to knock. You know, the people who are who I've seen recently, I've only seen two, I think I can't remember the names. They're actual runners, really no well known for running, but then Tekken digs at other people running now as if it's took the limelight away, which I just think is a bit mad because that's what's given their full lifestyle. Do you know what I mean? And it's kind of been bitten everyone else's on, and now everyone's doing it. It's kind of like when someone listens to a new band and they're like, I used to listen to them before they were famous. Like, no one cares, mate. We all like 'em now. It's kind of that's what I feel like.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I how I look it is. Everybody's got to start somewhere. I was that person one day where starting out um never thought anything would come with it. Um but then when once I got the coaching, I like I went I went to a couple of gins. I wanted some strength for runner But I couldn't find it around this area. Basically we're going to route and then that where it leads me today with this PT.

SPEAKER_02

What's what what's more rewarding to you? I mean they're all equally rewarding, but would you rather someone who's never run before, right? To be able to do like run to 5k or whatever, or someone who's already into running and get them like an an unbelievable marathon time.

SPEAKER_03

I like them both.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But completely different achievements, aren't they? A couple of herb runners at the minute. Um and just from me changing the way that this person runs just from like easy days, and it's changing that is like messaging it. I'll have PB. Alright. Yeah, yeah. Some feeling that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like I I just thought I'll love anything like that. But then I'm helping others that are just starting out, and that's it, they're gonna get to their goal. But what I find with that is you're not mentally strong enough.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but how would you it's too yeah, it's there's there's there's lots you can be doing, there's different approaches you can be doing, they've got to be very accountable. The only problem that's the only problem for me, right, is the online stuff. Yeah, that's the online, especially ones like you when you've never met them at all. I mean, we've done loads of podcasts on that before. When you're when you're not interacting, you're not building that connection straight away. It's very hard because if if we were talking, I'll let you down for a run and then I see you, I'll be like, oh mate, and you'd be like, come on, let's sort it out. And it's um you know that I've got best interests, but when I do online programs, uh we're like with a shred, a lot of them I'll put welcome everybody, next four weeks. I'll be I'll be coaching you and guiding you. Any questions, please ask me, right? You'll get fucking, I don't know, you'll get 20 people messages straight away, or putting it in group, can't wait, everybody. Good luck, blah blah blah. But then you get another another percentage that don't do it, and they're always the ones that don't make it because they already start and the foots in exit because they're like they don't want anyone to know because they're already not confident they're gonna feel to do it, but they can sign up and tell everyone they're doing it and when they do it, and then there's and there's an excuse, or I tried getting my shopping list on and it won't come on, and it were their error, and all they needed to do was message. I've I've not been able to get online for three days. More messages, they don't want to do it in their head, they're telling themselves that to make themselves feel better, and it that is a bad, very, very bad trait. But um again, mate, we've come to talk about you. So, what is it that you're specialising in point of running coach?

SPEAKER_03

So um what I want what what I want to go down the route of is strength and condition for runners. Um, so as I said, like many people are here, and then I've got my coaching as well, so it like ties in with each other, and that's why basically I've done the PT philante, and I like helping people.

SPEAKER_02

If anyone didn't know as well, Matty did PT uh with Ultimate Shred Academy. Um obviously that's based around all of this. Like, we're trying to get people, it just so happened that you've done the course with us, uh, so a perfect person to get on because you're doing so well. Uh so we just thought couldn't have couldn't have dropped in any better. Obviously, there's other people that we're gonna be getting on who've done it from other places. We want to try what we're trying to do now is trying to get a library of loads of different people, loads of different like we've only done the same qual, but we couldn't be any further apart from what we're teaching. Do you know what I mean? So I just that's what I love. I've got people going into massage, you've got people going into SNC for the running, SNC for boxing, there might be one-to-one coaching like myself or on-floor gym PTs, bodybuilders. And I just think there's that many people, and anyone watching it then, especially like stories like yourself can come back from uh recovery. Just I just think that means more to the story as well.

SPEAKER_03

And uh trying to but I appreciate that you're trying to have to separate your brain from that, yeah, knowing now how strong you have to be to get out of it, get out of it and and and know where other people are, yeah. Like it's not easy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And I feel like obviously it feels like sometimes you've lived it and you can tell them and your proof input in, do you know what I mean? Like they they can actually see that from you because they know it's all it's all real, it's done. Yeah, so you can do the blueprint for them, but you you can only hold their hand so much, can't you?

SPEAKER_03

You can only colour can't you and then but what I used to find is I used to take it to our line, oh god, I'm not but I've got to let it go and just say look, I have your own information that I can do.

SPEAKER_02

And uh I'll leave it on this on this last question to be fair, mate. So I was the first bit been going, like getting your first clients.

SPEAKER_03

I know you've been quite a lot of messages, but yeah, so like I first first put the post on it is clueless crazy line, but uh because I've I've built like a bit with my running club. Everyone knows you're running. You're a running man, aren't you around Pontifrats? Yeah, so like it it you'd move up like that, um getting quite a lot of messages, um but yeah, it's cheap challenging. Yeah, challenging was like because I want to please everybody, I'm like, I want this to be right.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. You can't always give them enough time, and like I said, it'd be you and the thing is as well, you've got to be like a chameleon, like it every single person's different, yeah. Every single person, like one, you'll ask him to do something, and he'll be like, Yep, how many more? Like I told the Bullet lads he needed to start adding add a run a week, right? He just done boxing with me and he went and sent me uh Strava. I said, not today, you want, but you've just you've just trained with but some they just they want to do well, they want to impress you, they want to coach, so they can send a message saying I've done it, yeah. And then you'll get someone who you're like, mate, have you done it? You won't get a message back for two days. No, I'm doing it, I'll start next week, and you're like, I've forgotten excuse, mate. Do you know what I mean? But um, but yeah, we'll uh we'll leave it at that, Matty. So if you could tell everybody uh where they can find you on Instagram.

SPEAKER_03

So on Instagram it's pontifracts underscore running coach. And is it have we got Facebook and the Facebook page is Pontifract Running Co.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and if not, just find him message you direct. He's all over Facebook. Thank you everybody for watching. Like and subscribe, and make sure that you go into Pontifract Running Coach on Instagram, like Matt has just said, and give him a follow.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you.