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Bullies, Bourbon, & “Burnin Hot” Chicken

TJ Ferguson & Jamal Russell Season 1 Episode 2

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Is TJ a bully? Is Jamal problematic? You be the judge. Tune in as The Meal Talk Boys revisit wild college stories over Burnin Hot chicken and another stacked bourbon sampler.

SPEAKER_00

Do do do do do do episode two of the the middle dog reappood. I am TJ Ferguson along with uh Jamal Russell, man. And we are back with some orange chocolate old fashions. We got some chicken from Burning Hot Hot Chicken. Meal of the day. Brand new spot. Was it in DC?

SPEAKER_01

Brand new day, yeah. Yeah. DC. Burning Bird Hot Chicken.

SPEAKER_00

Burning Bird Hot Chicken. We'll see how much TJ can handle the heat. So we're gonna sample that. What heat level did you get? You got the hottest? Burning. Why would you do why would you get the hottest one? Yo, just I'm glad you told me now. Because if I had bit into it, that's what I was aiming for.

SPEAKER_01

I was aiming for invite into this shit and just be mad as hell.

SPEAKER_00

Just bite, ugh, wow. Oh, I would have been mad. I would have been mad. Did I send you that video on Instagram of the dude? They told him that two shots were water and one was tequila. So he said, two shots are water, one's tequila. Don't make a face. So we don't know which is which. But it was all three shots of tequila. So he took the first one and they did a close-up on his lip. He took it and his lip stamped. It started quivering. So then he was going through. By the time we got to the third one, he was like, oh, three were tequila. Gotcha. I'm glad you told me it was hot before. Now I didn't know you got the burning, bro. I'm glad Tamaria didn't have any either now. So I'm glad she didn't have any. And you were trying to not tell her to keep up the keep up the joke. Keep up the rules, man. My girlfriend should have a baby in three weeks, and Jamal was about to give her blazing hot burning. My intention is not to give her the chicken.

SPEAKER_01

TJ, maybe she would want one.

SPEAKER_00

But you didn't say it was burning. I was like, oh shit. You didn't say it was burning hot. So it comes from burning bird hot chicken. But you didn't have to get the burning version of the hot chicken. But why would you get the regular shit? Well, it's a good thing. Look at God. You did not did not uh did not uh she didn't she didn't take the bait. None of us took the bait. I'm bad. I was I was about to be upset, bro.

SPEAKER_01

Do one of the I had a plan, man. If she would have took one, I want to wait until you in the room, or you may use a bathroom. Let's just uh let's just get into it.

SPEAKER_00

Let's see what it tastes like.

SPEAKER_01

It didn't come with a sauce? It did not, sir.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah, they already not not that good. You already losing points? Already losing points.

SPEAKER_01

She don't look like it's hot.

SPEAKER_00

It doesn't look I don't know, man. It's got some.

SPEAKER_01

It don't look like it's hotiness coming off. It's not as dark as uh let's see.

SPEAKER_00

It's got a good flavor. You can see the spice on it.

SPEAKER_01

But is it hot?

SPEAKER_00

It's not initially hot. It's like a slow burn. But it's still not terribly hot even after the burn. But it's getting it's getting hotter by the second. Don't make a face, man.

SPEAKER_01

Don't make a face, man.

SPEAKER_00

It's good. If they got a different sauce, it'd be great.

SPEAKER_01

It's good.

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That's hot.

SPEAKER_01

That's how I expect burning to be. This is a slow burn. That's how I expect burning to be.

SPEAKER_00

It's good though. It's got good flavor. It's not like hot lovas when we got that. Hot lovos. You remember hot lovas? We got them when we were recording in the office space. Was that hot? It was nice. It tastes like it had been cooked in old grease.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah. They were new too. I don't think they exist no more.

SPEAKER_00

That was not good.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, old grease boys. This was fresh. It was good.

SPEAKER_00

That's actually good. I can rock with this one.

SPEAKER_01

Sweet butter bread pickle.

SPEAKER_00

Mm-hmm. Got the pickles in there with.

SPEAKER_01

See, it's not even that high. See, you eat you gobbling it up. It's not even that hot.

SPEAKER_00

It's not that hot. It was a slow burn. It's good. It's good.

SPEAKER_01

One out of five, man. One out of five. That was great. Yeah, one out of five, man. Burning hot chicken. I'm gonna give it a four. Give it a four?

SPEAKER_00

3.5. 3.5. You'll go back. I would go back. I would give it a four if it had a sauce. If it had a dipping sauce.

SPEAKER_01

Sauce was uh 25 cent mold. So you didn't get it?

SPEAKER_00

I didn't get a sauce. You didn't pay 25 cents? No, sir. Do you still not tip four pieces of uh oh delivery drivers? No. Don't change the subject. Do you still not tip delivery?

SPEAKER_01

Delivery drivers? No. Are you talking about in real life? Like on a date? No, I was talking about delivery drivers too. Delivery drivers nah. I don't tip delivery drivers.

SPEAKER_02

Alright.

SPEAKER_00

You tip delivery drivers? Yeah. I don't tip deliveries. No way. Problematic mole. Can we talk about can we talk about single mole versus relationship mall and how you just become problematic every time you're single? You be nice, grounded, sensible when you're in a relationship, and as soon as you get out, you just become problematic. You stop tipping. You start sending me texts like, can we talk about this on the podcast?

SPEAKER_01

And I'm like, absolutely. Because when you when you have a girlfriend, everything in your life is just even killed. You know what I'm saying? You don't gotta worry about none of that. But you gotta when you're single, you're like, all right, cool. These bitches ain't shit.

SPEAKER_00

You got so much going on outside of that. But you just become problematic. I'm like, we got problematic mall again. Problematic mall sells tickets, though. So that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01

You have to. I gotta I gotta be problematic. That's the brand. You know what I mean? So no one's supposed to know about just regular nice Jamal.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's how I need it. I need more of that. You're ruining the secret, man. We were in the green room the other day, and uh Christine found out I was having. She's like, oh my gosh, you're having a kid. Because I guess she didn't know. I guess you know David just had twins as well. And she's like, everyone's having kids. And somebody was like, Yeah, Jamal's having a kid. And she was like, No, I'd know if Jamal was having a kid. Christine O'Day? She's like, everyone would know.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know. Fuck her.

SPEAKER_00

I gotta edit this album. Gotta go through. I gotta skim through. Um but yeah, it's not that hot. It's not that hot at all, man. It's good though.

SPEAKER_01

It's got good flavor. It's a good flavor. It's just that hot. You feel me?

SPEAKER_00

I'm about to pull my blackstone around front and just start selling burgers and dogs.

SPEAKER_01

For who?

SPEAKER_00

Neighborhood. The one black neighbor in the whoever wants to buy it. I'll take it over outside that construction site.

SPEAKER_01

Side hustles, man.

SPEAKER_00

I need a real hustle.

SPEAKER_01

You were you were a DJ? Mm-hmm. I don't know if you DJ anymore. It's been a while. Remember you were a DJ for a minute. Uh uh, you still do comedy. Just got back into comedy. Just got back into comedy. You were selling clothes. I need to sell something.

SPEAKER_00

I got some merch. You're selling hats? I got some merch. I still need to move some merch.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I remember that. So remember you selling hats. So every time something dies, you create something new.

SPEAKER_00

I think I got ADHD. And just not diagnosed.

SPEAKER_01

That's why comedy is for you. You don't like a nine to five.

SPEAKER_00

No, absolutely not. You gotta you gotta branch out. I gotta branch out. We should have brought some water up here though. It is the more, the more you talk and the more I eat it, the more I'm like, back my tongue burning. Yeah, I do, I do bounce around. I need to. I stuck with comedy a long time though, and I I got into comedy so heavy because I was, I was like, I want to act and I want to do this. And I was like, let me just focus on comedy. And I focused on it, and I had some heat. I had some good years, and then it felt like this shit started going backwards. I was like, well, let me just let me chill out. Also, I was talking about this uh the other day. I think we talked about this too, though, like the lack of crowd work clips. I got out when it started being all crowd work. For people that shouldn't have been doing crowd work, though. Like there were there are people who are really good at crowd work, and there's some people like you should do your jokes.

SPEAKER_01

There's some people out there who's just like it's like you do crowd work, but then it's people who like forcing it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Right on every show, where it's like, you don't have to. Right. You don't have to do it. No. You know what I mean? It's not mandatory. Or you can do crowd work to get into a bit. Get into your bit, but it's everybody, you have to go behind six or seven comics who just go, hey, so what do you do? What do you do for a living?

SPEAKER_00

That's the other thing. Like, if you aren't in the room and someone's doing crowd work, then you asking the same person the same question.

SPEAKER_01

Same question. Like, what do you do for a living? And all the crowds like, we already know he's ugly bummer.

SPEAKER_00

We talked about this. So I got out during that time. But you know, it's coming back. After after funny as fuck, everybody wants real comedy again. So I'm like, all right, back in my wheelhouse.

SPEAKER_01

I don't think everybody wants real comedy. I still think it's a it's a crowd work driven. Because all the famous people right now are crowd work people.

SPEAKER_00

You how many crowd work clips do you see come across your feed though, compared to what you used to see?

SPEAKER_01

It's goddamn. Yeah. Like I don't see Matt Reich all the fucking time anymore.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But I've s I've I still see Nate Jackson, Mojo Brooks. You still see like some of the random white guys, obviously, will just do crowd work.

SPEAKER_00

And I still like to. And I'll see some shitty crowd work videos, and they'll still blow up. I unfollowed most mainstream people. The mainstream guy? Like I like, well, one, just because I didn't want to keep getting distracted on Instagram, just like scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. So like it's like it's mostly now where like people I know and then some other stuff. Like I unfollowed most like music artists, most comedians that like I don't know or like interact with. So it's it's almost like a Facebook, but just on Instagram now. I still got like a few here and there people that like are bigger and stuff like that, but it's mostly just like people I know and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah. So yeah, I think I I did, I think the the unfollowing purge I did, I I unfollowed all the all the ass.

SPEAKER_00

All the ass? Now and I followed you if you didn't follow me and like we are on the same like level or anything like that.

SPEAKER_01

And they didn't follow you back? Yeah, I'm like I don't follow people back though. Huh? I don't follow because I don't have like other comedians follow me, even from they like from New Jersey or some shit. They'll follow me. I only follow them back. But it's like I don't know you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'm not talking like I'm talking about like people you would know though.

SPEAKER_01

Like in the scene?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like in the scene, or like you do a show where you like you follow them, they don't follow back. And I'm like, we on the same level. I'm actually better than you. I just haven't been out. I just actually haven't been out in a while.

SPEAKER_01

That'd be me though. I don't follow, I don't follow the new comics. Like they'll follow me, like the new comics, they'll just meet me or something, they'll follow me, and I don't follow them back. And then I'll be on like a show with them, and then you know when it's that little group chat they'll shoot, they'll shoot you, like, hey, welcome to the show. And I'll see it like follow back, follow back, follow back, follow back, follow back. I'll be like, damn, I don't follow none of these motherfuckers. All these dudes follow me. But then you know, I'll talk to them. I'll follow back the cool ones that I like. Yeah, and then the weird ones I'll just leave them. Yeah, no, that's comedy only. As it should be. You're weird, so I'm gonna leave you over there. But the cool ones I'll follow back. It's funny if I meet a new dude.

SPEAKER_00

Because uh Chandella, he was like, he's like, or no, Mike, Phil Mike was like, You gonna start getting out more? I was like, yeah, I'm gonna start getting out more. I was like, until the baby comes and then you know I'll have to take a little break and then you can do a Phil Mike. Phil Mike ain't stopped. Yeah, no, he's still. It's funny, I've seen that with a few people where they have a baby and it seems like they start getting out more.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So you know what I'm saying? It's a bad dad life, man.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know what type of dad you want to be. It'll be a great one. It'll be a great one. It'll be a really, really good dad. It's gonna be a really good dad. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm gonna be a fun dad, stern when I need to be. So you're gonna uh beat or not beat? Nah, I mean that that would be the last resort. Beat the kid? Yeah, it's gotta be like you have to have done something. Something to really piss you off to get a get an asshole from TJ Versus. Yeah, but uh, I don't think they're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01

So we're gonna say we grounding? I don't think black families ground, man.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I don't really ground. We'll have to see. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Have you ever been grounded? Have your parents ever said TJ Thomas.

SPEAKER_00

They've never grounded. They've never labeled it as groundy. I remember I had my own phone line when I was in high school. Oh, you know, ball it.

SPEAKER_01

No, I don't know, sir.

SPEAKER_00

So I had my own phone line, but I mean that would get like landline, not talking like cell phones now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_00

So I had my own 277-9322. That was my number. That was my old number. Um, they would take my phone away from me. Oh, like the movies. Yeah, so like they would take my phone away, or sometimes I'd be like, you gotta ride the bus to school. You can't drive to school, but it was never like a full-on like grounding.

SPEAKER_01

You live you were living a good life, bro. What? Driving to school?

SPEAKER_00

This sounds just like the movies. Riding a school bus was miserable. Like I I think once I got to ninth grade, I stopped.

SPEAKER_01

Some of us didn't have a choice.

SPEAKER_00

Once I got to ninth grade, I stopped riding the school bus. There was a dude that used to live down the street from me. His name was Nick Rains. He would pick me up every morning in ninth grade, and then once I could drive. In the what grade? Ninth grade. Okay. When I was a freshman.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, your country accent came up right there.

SPEAKER_00

What'd I say? Ninth grade grade.

SPEAKER_01

I ain't never heard that, bro. You've been hiding that shit. I got into the ninth grade. I was like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_00

So he would pick me up and then well, I guess I wasn't really driving until junior year, but I wasn't riding the bus. Oh my bo, my homeboy, my best friend Daniel, he would pick me up after that. He would come through every morning and pick me up. He's a white dude. Yeah, white dude. Yeah. Um, so he would come through and pick me up, and then, you know, I had my car when I was in 11th grade, which was uh what was your first car? I never had a car. All right, never mind. I'll tell you about my first car. He lived different lives, dude. This was your first car. I had never had a car. Never had a car. My bad. It was a I had an 89 Jeep Cherokee. 89? Damn. 89 Jeep Cherokee. It was maroon. And one of my homeboys, his name was Kevin. His brother, his older brother had gotten in trouble or something. So his parents were like, nope, we we getting ready a car. And they sold it to you? They sold it to me. So like I I don't know how I caught wind of it, but I told my dad, and I think they wanted like $1,800, $1,900 for it. So we went over there, we looked at it, and uh, you know, I was like, what would you take? And then he was like, the dad, his name was Kenny, he was like, Oh, you know, maybe how about $1750? And my dad was like, that's like an odd number. How about $1,700? So they bought the car, took it home. Next day, me and my homeboy tinted the windows, like super dark, like get pulled over by the cops dark. Yeah, pulled up. And then uh I had a sound system in that bitch. I mean, that's my ride type of shit?

SPEAKER_01

Huh? Like a pimp my ride type of sound system.

SPEAKER_00

I had two twelves in the back. I mean, it was just uh that shit would be rattling, bro. Be rattling I forgot it was some mystical song. Shake it, Shake It Fast? It wasn't Shake It Fast, but it was on that uh it was on that album, it was on the tarantula album, but that shit would be me against the wall.

SPEAKER_01

Or danger. Get on the flow.

SPEAKER_00

A nigga like me. I forget, it wasn't it wasn't any any of the mainstream songs. Oh, it's over. It was something else on that CD though, and that shit went rattle, bro. I thought I was so cool. I put some rims on it. I had some damn 16. But you had a job back then? Where you get this money from? No, well, I used to work summers with my dad. And he paid you? Yeah. See my dad would have never paid me if I worked with him. Oh no, that should have been free. But I used to be mad, bro. I used to be mad because like he paid me, but he didn't pay me a lot, and I'd have friends that were like lifeguarding, like making more money, and I'm out here doing physical, hard labor.

SPEAKER_01

With your dad. Yeah. Yeah, I did a regular job.

SPEAKER_00

Bill's character, though, you know. But I'm out there happy. How was Bill's character? Riding the bus. But riding the bus is miserable, bro.

SPEAKER_01

Riding the school bus, man.

SPEAKER_00

Miserable.

SPEAKER_01

See, that's see, y'all, you lived a different life. You know what I you couldn't walk to school? I had to walk to school in high school. I was two miles.

SPEAKER_00

So you used to walk two miles, four miles total every day.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. So once you were two miles in PG County, that's the walking distance. So you had to walk in high school.

SPEAKER_00

How are they gonna make you walk four miles when you still gotta go to PE? PE was first PE was first class. So you sweating when you get to school, you sweating in PE.

SPEAKER_01

Did y'all used to shower in PE? No.

SPEAKER_00

So you just musty as shit off.

SPEAKER_01

No, you ain't shower. You just must. The hood school, man. That shower didn't work.

SPEAKER_00

I got in trouble.

SPEAKER_01

You're on football practice. No shower. You know.

SPEAKER_00

That's wow. I got in a fight. I got in a fight in weightlifting class.

SPEAKER_01

What the hell was weightlifting class?

SPEAKER_00

It was like weightlifting.

SPEAKER_01

How big was your school?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, maybe 700, 600, 700 kids? That's a small school.

SPEAKER_01

That's a small school.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Because my graduating class was only like 160. But we had a weightlifting class. And there was a nigga in there named Troy, bro, and he was musty. Before he started weightlifting? Just in general. Yeah. Before, after. No, like African? No, he wasn't African. Regular black dude. Regular black dude. And uh, I mean, he was musty, so I would just like I was always like class clowns. I would just make kind of like snide comments, like, what the what's that smell? And everybody knows what that smell is. What is that? And then uh I would start singing. I was singing, ain't nobody dope as me. I'm just so preciously. You was a bully, bro. And then we got to the locker room after class. I gave him a bar of soap and he got pissed off. You gonna bully, bro. He was bullying this man, man. So we got to scrap it.

SPEAKER_01

I was a bully, he was bigger than me. You a bully, bro. He was bigger than me, bro. How you gonna bully this man? You don't know what he was going through in his life. You don't know what he was going through. They could have probably afforded no water, man. No, he could afford water. He could have bullied this man, duh. Man was shoot. Now I'm learning a lot more about you, man. I'm learning about the young TJ. I was, I guess I was.

SPEAKER_00

Now you're thinking about it. I guess I was kind of a bully. I bullied the kid. I had my moments, bro. I had a video camera in high school. So I had this little video camera, and I did this thing one day. I went around and saw how many kisses I could get throughout the day. It was just kisses on cheek, and I think I ended up with like 50 or something. Um, but it was this dude, his name was Andrew, and that man he had who acne. I was like, God. I was like, I'm like, I'm here with the ugliest man in America. Unwanted the ugliest. You know, a menace, man. And then we would do that. I forget what movie it was from. It was some movie, it was a football movie where they like, it might have been the program where you knocked the football out of somebody's head, be like, Fumble, and everybody just started trying diving on the ball. So I would do that throughout the hallway and stuff. And people dived? Yeah, actually dive with fumble. So all the dudes would dive on the ball, try to get the ball. So I got yeah, I did have my moments. I had my moments of what was the first dude's name? What you oh, Troy? Troy? Yeah, Troy and Andrew.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, Troy and Andrew. Alright. Yeah. So I want you to look into the camera and apologize to Troy and Andrew. Hey, my bad. For bullying them.

SPEAKER_00

I was young, dog. I was young. I was a class clown. It was you know, they probably got you on some type of board too to this day. I bet you don't smell now. Speaking of a board, bro. Speaking of a board, it's a Richmond comic. It's a Richmond comic. I've always liked the dude, but he he's had some like some stuff. He sent me a message one day. It's probably like five, this is probably maybe ten years ago. Something on uh Facebook Messenger, basically, like, you're on the list now. You're now I was like, all right, bro. What do you like? What do you want me to do with this information? You know? What do you do with so much? Yeah, you on my list now.

SPEAKER_01

You gonna call me problematic, but you got mad enemies out here, man. I don't have any problematic.

SPEAKER_00

He was like, You're on a list now. I'm like, what do you want me to do with that information? What what like what do you do? I put you on the list. All right. Could you check me? He implied his revenge for 10 years. It's like you haven't crossed me off yet, so I I don't understand. I just okay, thanks. Thanks for letting me know. Thank you. What did you what did you do to him? Nothing. You had to do something. You can't be like, I'm not sure. I really didn't. He apologized, like maybe a couple years later, he was like, Oh yeah, I was going through some things. I don't want to say his name. I ain't trying to put him out there like that.

SPEAKER_01

You gotta do his name, no.

SPEAKER_00

Um, but yeah, like everyone, everyone knew, and he was funny. I always thought he was really funny. Did you tell him that? Yeah, he knew that. He knew that, but did you tell him that? He knew that. I think he knew he I think he knew that I thought he was funny. I think he did. He put you on the list. I don't I don't know what I did. I think you should have been like, hey man, I think you're funny. I don't know what I did. You didn't have it on the list. I don't know what I did, but I just know I was on the list. What what do people's reac what do how do people expect you to react when they tell you something like that though? They want you to cower in fear.

SPEAKER_01

What uh for what though? You on the list, they might get you one of these days. So you live three hours away. You don't know You don't know. He might live around the corner. Nah, he probably moved in your house right now. You just haven't seen him. He might be in the attack.

SPEAKER_00

I I don't know. I was like, all right, cool. And then he was like, my bad, bro. I was going through some stuff at that time. Clearly. Clearly, you were.

SPEAKER_01

That's crazy, dog. You were bullying high school. Now we learn. See, now we learn the shit about TJ. I wasn't a bully.

SPEAKER_00

Now we're learning shit about TJ. Chris will tell you that I'm the biggest bully that he knows. Chris Allen? Yeah. You bully Chris Allen? He will always say that. He will always say, you, I'm, he will always say that I'm the biggest bully that he knows. Now I didn't bully him. But just I'll be playing pranks on people. Oh, bro. I played a prank on Ross. This was maybe like, I mean, it had to be like 2017 or something like that. And I told him that it was me on his. We did a live podcast at the loft. And I told him it was me then. But I was just texting him, acting like he owed me money. A random person or you? As you as a random person. As a random person. For a random number, be like, hey, you got that money you owe me. So he said he was at shows like geeked up. Like, who the fuck keeps texting me? Keeps texting me, bro.

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I was like, bro.

SPEAKER_00

And I hit him like, you better have motherfucking money next time I see you. So he gets amped up, texted back, and he's like, Why don't you beat me? And I gave him the I gave him the address of the White House. 1700 Pennsylvania Avenue. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. So I gave him that address. And I was like, meet me here if you really about that life, dog. Yeah, I think he was really like skittish at like some shows at the top.

SPEAKER_01

I would just do shit like that. That's how you ask ended up on a list, bro.

SPEAKER_00

That's the shit I would do. Uh so yeah, no, I wasn't a bully, but I would also wasn't. I think you were bully, bro. Nah, I wasn't a bully. I wasn't a bully. No, it was just how many fights you got in high school. A few instances. How many fights have you got in high school? Uh, I think that was just the one. That was it was just that one. That's the only fight. Yeah, that I can remember. You know, high school's a long time ago. That's the only one I remember. That's the one fight you remember. Yeah. Yeah, from high school. Yes.

SPEAKER_01

How many fights have you gotten in your life, man? Have you gotten let me ask you this. Have you ever got into a fighting as an adult? I don't think I've got into a fight in a college.

SPEAKER_00

No, not as an adult. I don't think I've got. Well, I guess if you count college as an adult, but you got a fight in college?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Y'all fighting in college?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I got in a fight in college. A bar fight? Nah, bro. It was my it was my homeboy, actually. We still we still cool to this day, but he was uh This nigga was like a seven-year senior. So he started So you bullied him. Nah, he started school with us. But we were long gone and he was there, and he would make friends with the freshman every year. So it's like seniors, he would just make a new batch of friends. So anyway, I think he was he was older when he started school, so he could buy alcohol. Okay when we got there. So he would buy the alcohol, but he wouldn't give us our change. He wouldn't give us our change. And there was no discussion of like, hey, I'm gonna keep the change. You know what I'm saying? So he would keep our change. So I let the nigga know about himself, you know what I'm saying? So I pissed off. So I started calling him a fan. Everybody was like, what's a fan? I was like, a fake ass nigga. I was like a fake ass nigga. I gave this nigga 20. This bottle was $13. I ain't got nothing back. So I was like, man, fuck him. He a fan. He a fan.

SPEAKER_01

He taking all the risks, bro.

SPEAKER_00

I don't give no risk, bro. You live in a fucking dorm. You taking out a risk. You live in a dorm, so discuss that with me. Let me know that I should not expect me know that I should not expect my 657 back. Keep the 57 cents. We don't keep the 50s. You still could have made a profit off of us. You keeping bills, keep the coins. Won't no Venmo Cash App, nothing like that back then. We giving you cold hard cash. So I need them greenbacks back. We had an ATM machine in the co-ed dorm, bro. And you could get five dollars out that bitch. But the surcharge was like $350. So yeah, so I called him a fan. And so one night I had gotten drunk. I was walking past his door and he was sitting in the room. And I was like, fan ash, yo. And he came, he came out, bro, and he punched me. But his watch caught my shit on the side. I think I still got the scar. Because he was he was left-handed, so it might be on this side. But yeah, his watch caught uh caught the head of scar right there, so I had to go get stitches the next morning. Did you punch him back? I think we scuffled for a little bit, but it was just like I'm not a fighter, bro. Like it's just not like you know, I'll talk a whole lot of shit. I'm like Chud the Builder. You know what I'm saying? I want to antagonize you and walk away. Fan ass nigga. Because all of us are homeboys, they would they so they mad at him. They like, yo, what's wrong with you, bro? What you doing? Like, they mad at him? Yeah, for the six dollars? No, just the fact that we all homeboys, the fact that he punched me. Like, what's wrong with you, bro? We homies, bro. We homies. We had some wild times in college, bro. It was fun. It was fun.

SPEAKER_01

It seemed like my He wasn't a seven-year senior, but my first college roommate, he was 40 years old. He was and living in the dorms. Yeah, he was a comeback. He was um That's wild. I guess he he had a good job too. He was like a restaurant manager and all that shit. Clearly, he didn't have housing. And then he came through college. Clearly, he did not have housing. We called that nigga Pops. That was the nickname in uh called a nigga Pops, but he had a he was buying us alcohol. He had a um clear, hard Amex card.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, so y'all was like, he got money. He had m he had money. But not a house. Because he wanted to live on campus at 40.

SPEAKER_01

He lived on campus at 40. That's not weird. Not that not the college kids. We got free alcohol. And he didn't do that bad shit. He was just buying it.

SPEAKER_00

That's weird, bro.

SPEAKER_01

He was just buying it, and then you know what I'm saying? He was going, but he, you know, he used to have like he was he was old, Asian, he was balding. But he had bitches. But he was Asian? Yeah. But he had bitches. You know what I'm saying? Like, he used to bring in loafers, didn't he?

SPEAKER_00

Well, he used to wear loafers, didn't he? No, he bring in the sexiest women. They'd be having dress pants button up in some loafers, bro. Because I had an H that sounds problematic in itself.

SPEAKER_01

At 40s. That's how we um shout out to my man Tristan. Tristan, aka Pops from Johnson Wales University, bro.

SPEAKER_00

That's crazy. That's funny. Yeah, we had an older theater major, but I don't remember if he used to live in the dorms. But we used to get the it was a dishwasher named John John, black dude. Old black dude. You tell you drink every time you go back there. What up, man? What's going on? Yo, John John, come through the dorm sometime. Come through. We had that man fucked up. I had John John drunk, man. He in there with a 40, smoking weed, falling out the dorm, going back to the cafeteria to wash some dishes. Yeah, we had John John gone. He go to the school. He was just a dishwasher. No, he was just a dishwasher. He was in the dishwasher. And I lost my damn, because he he was helping me look for my. I lost my gold fronts, bro. I had some gold fronts. Grill. Yeah, a grill? I had a grill. Yeah, the grill. I had a grill. You got pictures of this grill? I got to see this grill up. I don't think I had any pictures of the grill. But I had the junk. It was an outline like around my regular teeth. So I had like the diamonds and stuff in the bottom.

SPEAKER_01

Oh man, how much money did you have as a family? How where's the net worth of the Ferguson family down there, man? I mean, they my parents did well for themselves. I'm like, he had grills in a car. They took your phone, landline phone away.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And this was in the 90s.

SPEAKER_00

Well, 90s into the 2000s. So I started high school in 99 and graduated in 2000 and then graduated college in 2007. Yeah, so I had a grill, yeah. But I had my grill and I lost it. I took it out at lunch, and I think I threw it away accidentally. So he was looking through the trash. Oh, damn, your grill. I know you can take those things out. Yeah, I mean, the ones I could get ones I had, we wouldn't get uh me and my homeboy, we went and got fitted. I mean, I'm sure there are some, but they have like removable ones. So we went, got fitted. I couldn't, but the thing is, I couldn't even, I thought I was so cool, I couldn't even talk with that shit. I had a lisp when I used to try to talk with that shit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, this is in college.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Because I had gotten in trouble. I got in trouble. We had gone to it was a theater conference.

SPEAKER_01

That sounds gay.

SPEAKER_00

It was a theater conference in Florida. I forget what West Palm, not West Palm. Maybe West Palm, Florida. I forget where it was.

SPEAKER_01

It was an acting school, right?

SPEAKER_00

It wasn't an acting school. That was my that was my acting major. Yeah, acting major. And I wasn't supposed to go to this conference and then the pickles hot. The day the pickles hot too?

SPEAKER_01

I think it was a little juice down there.

SPEAKER_00

The day of the conference, my friend pulls up. She's driving through, her name is Rachel. She's like, TJ, do you want to go to Florida? I was like, can I? And it was like, I guess Ches Peak couldn't go. There was this girl in Ches Peak, she couldn't go. And they were like, she's either one of these? No. They were like, we have another uh slot for somebody who wants to go. So I hit my mom up. I was like, yo, I'm going to Florida for this conference or whatever. She put some money in my account. So we go down there, and then it's just like it's a theater conference. So it's like people doing different scenes and stuff like that. They're being judged, people winning awards and stuff like that. And I'm there, I'm just chilling. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm going to little workshops.

SPEAKER_01

I heard these, I heard the theater kids get freaky.

SPEAKER_00

Some of them do.

SPEAKER_01

I heard the theater parties, theater conferences. I heard these things get freaky.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's like all of them on Molly. Yeah, they're all the time.

SPEAKER_01

You know what I'm saying? I heard the donuts be on dicks. Like that type of shit.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't see none of that.

SPEAKER_01

You ain't seen no donuts on dicks.

SPEAKER_00

But I was also, because it was it was interesting for me because it was like I had like my theater friends and then I had my my black friends. So were you the only black kid in the theater club? Huh? You were the black kid in the theater? Oh no, there was not a lot of us.

SPEAKER_01

Were you only straight person?

SPEAKER_00

No, I wasn't the only straight person. There were plenty of straight people, but like, at least in my theater class. So like we started with 13 and we ended with five because that's kind of how vigorous our program was.

SPEAKER_01

Um, Juilliard?

unknown

What's this?

SPEAKER_01

No, it's just a big theater one.

SPEAKER_00

Juilliard's big. Yale's got a great grad program. I wanted to go to Yale. I auditioned for them three times. I got a call back once, but we'll talk about that another time. Um so it was like I had those friends, and then I had like, I don't want to say my hood friends, but like my regular friends.

SPEAKER_01

We know.

SPEAKER_00

But it was funny because I had them all integrated in groups and shit together. Because everybody they were because the theater people are people that my other friends never would have hung out with if it wasn't for me.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like their paths never would have crossed. And then they hung out with like, oh damn, them white boys pretty cool. The white boys alright.

SPEAKER_01

Introducing these people, man.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so I went to Florida, but we had gone to this show.

SPEAKER_01

Is that a bingo?

SPEAKER_00

Nah, it's an orange, orange pill.

unknown

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00

So we had ran out on a bar tab while we were there. We had ran out on a bar tab, and then we were up in a balcony, and we had like a flask that we were drinking up in the balcony, and somehow this got back. Somehow this got back to like the head of the theater department. So we uh I had to go meet with him, but he was mad cool. He was just like, oh, I've been 20 before, I get it. You know what I mean? But you just can't be doing that and stuff like that, and then that was kind of the end of it.

SPEAKER_01

That's it. I didn't get in any real trouble. I didn't even figure out that y'all ran out of the bar tab.

SPEAKER_00

Somebody snitched on us, bro. I think I know who snitches.

SPEAKER_01

I didn't even know because I'm not a restaurant age. I think I know who snitched to.

SPEAKER_00

What's that? Sorry, the fan, bro. He wasn't in theater. He wasn't in the theater. Uh so I think I know who snitched, but yeah, it was wild. Yeah, I did. Yeah, how would you even snitch on that? I haven't thought about that shit in a long uh in a long time, so it's funny to like remember all that. On your college days, man.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, man. So this is what we learned so far. You were a bully in high school.

SPEAKER_00

No, I wasn't, but well, I'll let you have it.

SPEAKER_01

You wasn't a bully. No. Throwing a soap, a soap bar at a kid, that's bully, bro. That's bully, but walking up to a kid on camera saying we walk to the ugliest man in the world, that's bully behavior, bro. They ain't do nothing to you.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, buddy was musty as fuck, bro. That man was musty.

SPEAKER_01

Right. You got to college, got a little alcohol in your system, you started fighting people. You ran out on bar tabs.

unknown

You know, you know.

SPEAKER_00

I took We Brownies to theater class. We took the theater history class. We used in that bitch bait.

unknown

Bait.

SPEAKER_00

This is the edge came to you and being for a bit. And then I took uh I had I had missed, like we had scene shop, bro. So I'm I I was a performance major. We had to do scene shop like two times a week. So we had to go like go build shit and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01

I used to like architecture build type and shit?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like the sit pieces and stuff like that. I used to hate that shit, bro. And I remember one time, me and my homeboy Matt, he was on the white dudes I was talking about, one of the cool white dudes. It was this girl, she had uh she had gone to the hospital for something, but she had Viking. So I got a couple pills off her, we popped them shits, and we down at that bitch welding, bro. So sparks flying everywhere. We just down there chilling. Every time I would miss a class, I would take the professor a Chick-fil-A sandwich the next day, and he'd be like, all right. I was like, Yeah, we'll take that.

SPEAKER_01

It was that it was that easy, huh? Bro, we were fuck up, buy, buy, listen, college kids, from TJ Ferguson.

SPEAKER_00

You fuck up, you miss class, just buy your professor a Chick-fil-A sandwich, it'd be all good. We were a tight-neck group, bro. There was one time we were starting class, and our professor name was Rob, but Robin was a great acting coach, but none of us had done our homework. All five of us.

SPEAKER_01

Homework and acting?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like we would have like scene stuff we have to work on, and she was like, all right who's going first? And we all looked around. And if one person hadn't, they're like, if let's say two people hadn't did it, they were like, yo, just let's just all say we hadn't done it. So he's like, so someone could have done it, and then she was like, Oh, no one, no one's done their work? She's like, All right, get out. Just kicked y'all, kicked us all out of class, but it was the nicest day of the year so far. It's the nicest day of the year. So we just out front chilling, like, alright.

SPEAKER_01

Hold on. All right, so why couldn't y'all just do like I know other people in the class, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Not just you and your friends. So one other person go up, and you see that what that person did, acting wise. Isn't everybody got the same homework? So don't you just go up and just perform exactly what that person did in your own way?

SPEAKER_00

It was more involved than that. Each person get a different scene? Yeah, each person had like a different scene or like a different monologue or something. Like I said, at this point, like junior year and the senior, it's only five of us. So we all like, we all cloaks, you know what I'm saying? So it's just like I ain't do my part.

SPEAKER_01

None of y'all, so oh, you knew all five of these people. Yeah. And none of y'all did work.

SPEAKER_00

None of us did not. She kicked y'all out. She kicked us out. She kicked us out. So you graduated. Oh, I graduated. Graduated, yeah. With what? A three-point, two-point? Oh, no, it was a two-point, but not because of theater. I just didn't give a shit about none of that other stuff, bro. I had to take a religion class, nigga. And I know I failed that class.

SPEAKER_01

Why did you take a religion class?

SPEAKER_00

It was a Methodist university. Like it wasn't like highly religious or anything like that, but I had to take a religion class, bro. And I was like, this shit is so boring, bro. So boring. And I remember we had to like read out loud one day for like a scene or something, and I killed that shit, and the teacher was just like, oh, I passed that bitch with a C. I ain't passed not one test. Like, look, you know I'm not here for this. You know I'm not here for this. That's the thing with college, though. You really gotta try to fail college. You do. Because you're paying for it. You gotta do like absolutely nothing.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, French re year, my other, because we had four people in the dorm, but it was two separate rooms. It's like a kitchen, two separate rooms, and like me and Pops was on the room. Yeah, it's with nigga Pops, bro. Shout out to Pops. Me and Pops on the side. And we had two more other guys on the side, dude named AJ and a dude named Nike. His name was Nike? Yeah, his name was Nike.

SPEAKER_00

Do you just have like a lot of kicks or that was his actual name?

SPEAKER_01

That was his actual name, N-A-K-I.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, Nike, okay.

SPEAKER_01

Nike. Freshman year, like he didn't do no work. Like he did nothing. And then we used like next, like one month ran when he was gone. We was like, yo, where'd Nike at the other yo? He got kicked out. He came back. He came back the next year, sophomore year, right? He came back the next year. As a freshman, he came back. But that freshman. Did you get his act together? He got his act together. You know what I'm saying? He's doing well now. But I'm like, that freshman yeah, he was doing no work. All he doing, all he was doing was fucking bitches, getting drunk. They kicked his. I think he had like a 1.2 or something shit. They kicked it.

SPEAKER_00

They kicked his ass out. We had a homeboy like that too. His name was His name was Curtis. We used to call him Trinity because he was from Trinidad. He had long dreads and shit. That man ain't go to no classes. No, I think he went to one class for the first time, like towards the towards finals. And he was like, they were looking at me like I was crazy, though. Like, hey, we've never seen you in a whole year. Like, how do you just show up? It's funny. I guess I wasn't, but I played. Oh why he used to smoke weed with him and stuff like that. But he was kind of like, he was annoying. He was just like, oh, like if he was like, oh shit, Jamal, what's up, bro? What's going on? He just wanted to be cool so bad. So I pretended. I would call him from a private number. And I pretended that I was an undercover cop. And told him, like, it's like, I know you've been moving, I know you've been moving cocaine, though you've been doing this, that, and the other. And then I would hit him up myself and he's like, I remember I hit him up, like, well, he was going, Geez, I don't know what's going on, dude. Like, fucking cops call. They like, they think I'm slinging Yayo dog. He said, Why are you ruining niggas' lives? He said, They think I'm slinging yeah, dog. So it was like this whole elaborate thing. I go to his little I go to his room after this man on the phone with his mom, packing his shit up. Packing his shit up, bro. This nigga's a bully, bro. I was like, bro, that was me, man. I got after that, I was like, that was me. He done called, he done called his mom. He's packing his shit up. He's like, cops think I'm slam fucking yeah yo dog. This nigga's a bully, bro. Oh bro. I did see some real like movie shit though. When I was a sophomore, this freshman came in. He was cool. Like I would smoke with him and stuff. And then uh he was like, hey man, I got these shrooms I need to move. If you can you help me sell these shrooms, I was like, Yeah, I can help you sell them. So I'm selling these shits, bro. I'm selling, I'm selling shrooms, bro. I'm moving these shits. I got my scale. What is your life, bro? So we made like $1,200 in one week, bro. So I'm selling the shrooms. I get them, and then something like this would have to be my junior year because I was living off or the off-campus um apartment dorms or whatever. And this white dude knocks on my door being like, Yeah, man, I hear you got some shrooms. I hear you guys like, nah, I ain't got nothing. Close the door on him. So we sold him. The one week we had to take the money to his homeboy. So we go there. It's like a white dude with dreads. Who still live in a nice ass neighborhood, big ass house, still live with his parents. He up in his room, bro. That shit hazed out. Just up there smoking, rolling up. We got that money, but I stopped hanging with the homeboy because I realized that he was like a real druggie. Because on the way, he was like, Man, I'm tired, man. I gotta get a coffee or something. I need a coffee. Then he'd be like, something else will go wrong. He's like, Yeah, I gotta get something for this. Oh, I need this for this. And I was like, nah, bro, you're doing too much. It's like I just helped you move this shit.

SPEAKER_01

How much money did you make out of the deal?

SPEAKER_00

I made like $1,200. That was my cut.

SPEAKER_01

$1,200? Yeah. So you was a drug dealer. So we're gonna recap. We're gonna recap about your life, man. So high school you was a bully. Right? You bullied a couple of kids, and you don't know where they at today, but one guy, he called ugly other guy. He said he stanky threw some bar soaps at him. You got into a fight for being drunk. Over six dollars worth of change.

SPEAKER_00

It was for everybody. I was a martyr.

SPEAKER_01

Six dollars for change, okay? Then you went to college. You didn't go to class. I went to class. You went to class, high. Sometimes. Then you skipped and bought the teachers Chick-fil-A. I was like a missing class. Didn't do your homework and graduate with a two-point something. On top of that, you could tender your bully ways and scaring people via phone pranks.

SPEAKER_00

Oh bro.

SPEAKER_01

And then you became a drug dealer and sold shrooms.

SPEAKER_00

You convinced my roommate that he had a drug test too. He used to play soccer. He used to play soccer and they used they would have random drug tests. He was my roommate, bro. He would be smoking the shit out of weed, bro. It never put in on anything. Would never buy weed. He was hey, hey, you mind if I hit that blunt? You mind if I hit that? He'd be like, oh, old boy's moochin's ass. I ain't gonna put his name out there. You go moochin' ass. He still he live in this area, so we're still cool. So I hit him up too. I was like, yeah, we need you to come over. You gotta take a piss test, you know, soccer test. And he's like, he freaking out. He like, fuck. Fuck, man. He's like, we can all see him, bro, because we all his fucking door. He's like, yeah, man, gotta make me tell you. I just gotta tell him. I just gotta tell him I've been smoking weed. Like, I just gotta let him know. But we ended up telling him to. How are you pulling these off? I was just I was just like, I would just like change my voice.

SPEAKER_01

I was because I know these are early 2000s, right? So it wasn't like the it wasn't smartphones or apps.

SPEAKER_00

I call, I would take the dorm phone, uh the dorm phone. And you call you you would call you calling these people? Yeah. You would call it if you change and you you into acting mode. Because we yeah, we we still had cell phones, you know what I'm saying? Like we had cell phones and stuff like that. Um but they had your number. Star 67, calling from a private number.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, star 67.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, calling from a private number. So I would call them and I was just convincing, bro. I was just convincing them. Everybody would think. And that's the thing. Y'all know y'all don't know, your generation don't know. I remember getting my first text message being like, what the fuck is this? What text message? Yeah, text message is normal now.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But before it was normal. It was 10 cents a message. Yeah, but I was you when you used to like calling people and stuff, and then you get that first text message that comes up, so what the fuck is this?

SPEAKER_01

What who said this? Yeah, it's reverse now. Don't call me. Yeah, I know. But back then I was just like, What? I was like, what is this? But that's when you knew who your true friends was back in the day when you had to pay per text message. And they be texting you. And they text you after like they text you during the weekend before nine, the weekdays before nine o'clock, when it was 10 cents or 25 cents a message, depending on who your plan was. And then niggas like, yo, don't text me until weekends after nine. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not important enough to text me during the weekday. Weekends after nine, you text me. That's how I used to do that.

SPEAKER_00

I forgot about it. You had the rollover minutes.

SPEAKER_01

Rollover, yeah, nigga. You had to you had my first first phone was the walkie-talkie boost mobile. Remember that shit? I remember the walkie mobile. Where you at?

SPEAKER_00

Yep.

SPEAKER_01

And they didn't tell you that you can only do that with other motherfuckers with boost phones. And the only person that had that was my dad.

SPEAKER_00

So you walkie-talkie with your dad?

SPEAKER_01

Walkie-talkie with my dad, bro. No one else had that fucking phone. Everybody else had regular Verizon, little small flip phones. I thought I was cool as shit with that shit. I got that dad. Where you at? You know what I'm saying? I saw the commercials.

SPEAKER_00

You thought you were gonna be talking to your friends and then.

SPEAKER_01

Nope. Only person I talked to was my dad, and I didn't even go sleep. I didn't go to sleep, bro. That was back then when getting a girl's number was like Yeah, they used to write that shit down. Yeah, right. That's getting a girl's number. What? You had your flip phone, getting that girl's number? Yeah, it felt good. It felt good back then.

SPEAKER_00

That's what I'm saying, bro. It was different. It was a different time. I'm glad I was alive for both. Like I would not want to be a kid now.

SPEAKER_01

Well, kids now got all the information, man.

SPEAKER_00

That's too much information. Too much information.

SPEAKER_01

They don't need any shit.

SPEAKER_00

That's why I'm good, bro. I was I was on the brink of everything. So I know life before technology. Are you gonna treat your kid like this? Like what?

SPEAKER_01

Are you gonna treat your kid with less technology? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Introduce them to the hallways.

SPEAKER_00

Starting out is definitely gonna be less technology.

SPEAKER_01

We know less technology.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'm gonna limit screens and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01

No iPads. You know, they got laptops in schools now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I know that. But I mean he'll get to it eventually. I just don't want that to be like the first thing. You want to go outside? Yeah, you don't go outside the moment.

SPEAKER_01

I want to be a kid. You rarely see kids, you never walk around the neighborhood and see kids playing. Yeah, that's just sad. On the tree. Remember the little green box? Remember the green little electrical boxes?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Right? And you that that was home base. Yeah. Whoever house it was on. You used to go, you sit there, and that's what y'all, that's where y'all create y'all devious plans.

SPEAKER_00

Whatever y'all about to do. That green little electrical box. That's what I had to. I don't even see those boxes no more. I don't see those boxes no more either. And it's like cliche, but it really was like, yo, just get home when the light comes on. When you want to. Well the street lights come on.

SPEAKER_01

Street light come on, you come on. Come in the house. That was it. Your parents didn't know where you were. No. They couldn't call you, they couldn't reach you.

SPEAKER_00

They just hoped you got home at that time. Bro, I I used to live outside. And it's funny because I was watching this thing on YouTube and they were basically like, you know, we know problem solving and shit because we didn't have our parents involved. It was like if you got into an argument or something with your friends, like you had to figure that shit out. And they're like, now it's like a group message with every parent. And like, that's why these kids don't know how to they don't know how to solve problems. They don't know how to do shit. They don't know how to do this. The first generation is dumber than their parents. Yeah, and they get coddled everywhere. Yeah, they get coddled. And then they try to tell Gen Z be trying to tell millennials how to use social media. Like, here are the rules for social media. We we invented social media. We know this shit.

SPEAKER_01

I'm good at it. Yeah. Like I'm good at it. Young man. I'll call them niggas young men, bro. I feel so old.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's I'm unc status, bro.

SPEAKER_01

I feel so old, bro. I'll be 41 in two weeks. Me, my brother and sister, they bought us bikes.

SPEAKER_00

So you can ride around.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. That's out there.

SPEAKER_00

That's Mario.

SPEAKER_01

I said, yeah, they bought us bikes so we can run so we can so we can ride around. You know what I'm saying? But you know, we were brothers and sisters, so we were all ruthless to each other. We were riding around, me and my brother zooming. My sister's a little behind. But I remember this time, we crossed the street, and it was a UPS truck coming. Oh shit. It was a UPS truck coming. And my sister was trying to cross the street with us, but she wasn't fast enough. I already knew that's where this was going. So she hit a pothole and the whole bike flipped and she fucking flipped right there, like hurt her hip or some shit. UPS truck coming. It's coming barreling. And it's barreling down. And me and my brother, like, we laughing at first because we didn't see the UPS truck come. Then you like danger. Yeah, we're like, oh shit, let's get her ass out of there. But we crack it out because we saw her flip first. But oh boy. He didn't dragged her ass out. Middle hit the bike. Huh? Did the truck hit the bike? We fucking like. You know how you do like the little war movies when you like one shoulder, she on the other show and she like limping in the middle. Like, let's get her ass home. The bike was gone. The bike was gone. How did your parents react to that? They got mad at us. Get mad at me. Like, why you ain't doing nothing? What you mean? You alive. She's alive. We got her out of there. They're more mad that they got by another bike. Oh boy. Bro, we used to do so much shit to her. Not like to her, but like, remember one time we were in North Carolina visiting like the family. And we were at the hotel, but outside the hotel, we just run around. And there was like this big little divot with like water, like a canal right there. To go to like the gas station to go like the store in between the hotel. And me and my brother like jumped it. Like, ooh.

SPEAKER_00

We jumped it. She couldn't make it.

SPEAKER_01

Because she was a bigger girl. So we're like, come on, Janice, come on, come on, come on.

SPEAKER_00

You got it. You got it. You knew she didn't have it. Y'all knew she didn't have it, bro. You called me a bully.

SPEAKER_01

Like, go, go, go. She's like, I'm just gonna go around. Like, ain't no time to go around. We ain't got enough time. Mom told her we gotta get back in this. Ain't no time. And she fucking jumped. I'm telling you, when you see the jump, bro, it's like it's like a big gap. And she just kind of went.

SPEAKER_00

Y'all fucked it. Y'all knew she wasn't gonna make it. Y'all knew she won't go make it, man. Oh man. She did a bunny hop. That's a straight crap.

SPEAKER_01

Oh. Wait, she used to be our ass. That's the only time we get to get back at her, bro. Oh, she's older? Yeah, yeah. She used to be our ass. That's the only time we get back at her, bro.

SPEAKER_00

Just do these little devious things, man. Oh, bro, that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_01

Oh boy, that was family dynamics.

SPEAKER_00

That's so funny. How long have we been on here? Oh, all right.

SPEAKER_01

Those were fucking good ass times, man.

SPEAKER_00

Those were good ass times. We sh that's funny. Did you used to put the uh did you ever put the little juice box in the back of your bike? Yeah, it sounds like a motorcycle. Yeah, we used to do all that.

SPEAKER_01

Well, we man, I remember one time I had these kids like, I was a gullible little kid, bro, trying to be cool and shit. We built a homemade ram.

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Oh.

SPEAKER_01

Kind of just like like shit with a trash can is, like just board and cardboard. And we bought a stack of rocks. And then we put cardboards up there.

SPEAKER_00

That shit won't stable at all.

SPEAKER_01

And it was nigga, it was grass, gravel road, grass, right? That's how grass, gravel road, grass. You know, you hit that gravel, you can't snake. I'm I'm they like, yeah, it was a small bike. We found this bike at the um in the trash. Very small bike for little kids. I'm like, fat kid, already fucking five something. You know what I mean? And they're like, yeah, Jamal, just go up the ramp, man. Go up the ramp, man. What you pussy, you scare? You pussy? You can't be can't be pussy, man. You can't be pussy, you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, all right, cool, I got it. I went up the fucking ramp. Soon I had on the carbohydrate, the rocks exploded. The rocks exploded, bro. I mean, done. I'm in the air, the bike goes one way, I go the other way. Now I'm sitting like, if I land on the grass, I'll be good. But I land on a gravel room, boom, and then I just oh side of your face. White meat. You ever seen a white meat? I had white meat showing all the way, bro. Just white meat. All the way up there. And then I look at these niggas laughing and shit. And I'm thinking, like, yeah, I told you I ain't no pussy, but my fucking face is busted. Oh, bro, that shit. You gotta use cocoa butter. My mom just slapped, my mom slapped fucking straight alcohol as soon as you get in the house. As soon as I got in the house, she just slipped the alcohol, just splashing on you.

SPEAKER_00

That's got me cringing, bro. Oh, that's got me cringing.

SPEAKER_01

I just do so much dumb shit to be cool. Well, we all did rain and I tried to go in the fucking rain. Remember the metal rainbow gym? Nope. Never had the rainbow playgrounds. Maybe it's a city thing, but they had like playgrounds, and it was all metal.

SPEAKER_00

I kind of like little monkey bars and like the little shit you climb over.

SPEAKER_01

It looked like a little cage.

SPEAKER_00

I don't really remember that.

SPEAKER_01

You can climb up and around. Oh, yes, yes. I remember that. It looked like a little cage, like a rainbow gym, and it was metal.

SPEAKER_00

I remember that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Alright, and it was like uh it was raining and shit.

SPEAKER_00

Slippery.

SPEAKER_01

Slippery. Alright, and niggas was going across, and it was like, yeah, man, I bet you can't go across without slipping or you're a pussy. And then I fucking went.

SPEAKER_00

That's all. That's all they had to tell me.

SPEAKER_01

That's all they had to tell me, and then it was on, bro. It was on. And it was it was my brother, me and my brother and a couple of friends. And nigga, it was my turn to get carried home because I went up, slipped right into the fucking middle. You know when you slip? Yeah, I'm talking about whore, bro. Bow as a guy. And my brother had to like drag me home like a war vent. And he sat me, he sat me in the chair in the middle. Like we had we didn't have any furniture in our living room. But it was just a random chair in there. He sat me in a chair, and I was sitting in a chair like this, zombified, for like 45 minutes. That shit was all they had to tell you was, yeah. Oh, you pussy. I do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. You're not gonna call me a pussy, man. I do it. I do this shit.

SPEAKER_00

I was doing everything. I used to work with this dude that could eat a lot. Like he would always eat more than he needed. Like, and always be like, oh damn, I ate too much. And every time I'd be eating something, like I'd be like, damn, I got this extra burger. I don't even want you want to be like, I'm gonna be like, I bet you can't eat it.

SPEAKER_01

You ain't say nothing but a word.

SPEAKER_00

And then he would eat damn that. Oh, damn, my stomach hurt, man. I ate too much.

SPEAKER_01

He ain't say nothing but a word, bro. Yeah, that's hilarious. He had fun times, man. It was shit he don't even bring up. My mom food poisoned us one time. Ow. I think she just bought bad chicken and she cooked it. Right? And she cooked it. I'm talking about I threw up on my nose. Ugh. Yeah. I'm talking about, and she won't even admit it to this day. She always like, mom, remember that time you food poisoned. I ate food poison. That wasn't me. That strong, weak stomachs. Like, nah, you food poisoned. You gave us food poison. Was she sick too? Yeah, she was sick too. Yeah, all of us. Everybody was fucking sick.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you got that Kroger special.

SPEAKER_01

I ain't never threw up on my nose, bro. That shit bubbled up. That shit bubbled up from like right here.

SPEAKER_00

You felt it and it just food poisoning. I think I think I've only had food poisoning one time.

SPEAKER_01

She's not fun, man.

SPEAKER_00

No. And it was at Oak City. Like it was before Oak City Comedy Festival. It was the night before that. I don't know what I ate, bro, but that shit fucked me up. So I drove to the festival that day, still sick. You drove two hours? Yeah. Like three hours. And then I was like, throughout the whole festival, I'm just like, out of it. Out of it. It was like the last show of the week or the weekend. Now I gone to a show. My homeboy's from North Carolina came. I wasn't even on, we just hanging out. Something started bubbling up. I went to the bathroom. I puked. And then on the way home, I was driving back to my um hotel. I pull over on the side of the road. I was like, if the cop comes, they gonna swear I'm drunk. It's like, bro, I just got food poison. That shit is miserable.

SPEAKER_01

That shit's disgusting, bro. That's life, man. That was a fun life back in the day. Yeah. Fun life. You didn't know what you was gonna get into when you left that house. You got into fights over over women that I didn't even know. Dude, why you talking to my girl? I'm like, I don't even know your girl. I didn't, yeah. I don't know her. I don't know you. I don't know her. Bro, I gotta think it. He was mad that his girl locker was next to mine in middle school. I got no control over that whole boy. I got no control over that shit. Her locker was just next to mine. I put my shit in my locker, I close it, lock it up, I'm like, hey, what's up? I knew her now. I was like, what's up, Takema? What's going on? And that was it. That's all I said to the girl, right? Went to class. Next thing I know, he ain't say nothing to me all class. Like, nothing to me all class.

SPEAKER_00

He over there mad.

SPEAKER_01

And then I walk home with him and his homeboys. And he's like, Yeah, I see you talking to my girl, man. Why the fuck are you talking to my girl at school? It's middle school, bro. You ain't even supposed to speak to her. That's red flag's galore. Like, this middle school, bro. Young age. Crazy. What you talking about? So now I gotta fight this dude after school. You know what I'm saying? You know you gotta fight after school. It's just me, his homeboys. I ain't got no one gonna break up the fight. So we're gonna be fighting forever. You know what I'm saying? I like to fight in school when niggas can break it up. You know what I mean? I only gotta fight for it, at least. Did you expect the fight? Yeah. I gotta fight this nigga. I hit this nigga with a stick. Who won? I'd call it a draw. Okay. Alright, he hit me with some punches, but I hit this nigga with a stick, so I think that gives me a button. He like don't even look at my girls.

SPEAKER_00

This is seventh grade. I had like a couple of fights in old school. See, let's learn about this.

SPEAKER_01

I got a couple of fights.

SPEAKER_00

Why you just fighting everybody?

SPEAKER_01

One, one, I did, one, it's like I I will come back. Like I don't, I'm not, I'm not gonna bully you, but you're not gonna bully me. Right. So I'm gonna say some shit, right? And they're gonna get you mad. Cause one guy was talking shit about me, but his mom was in rehab. So I'm like. And he's acting. How you gonna talk? I'm not even talking shit about you, bro. But your mom in rehab, you know what I mean? And he used to, yo, this was this probably fucked up. He used to write letters to his mom. It used to be in his desk, right? I read them shits out loud. He started talking shit about me. I'm the bully though. He kept coming with the fat joke. So I'm like, I'm like, alright, chill, bruh. I'm the bully though. Or I'll read your shit. And he like, fuck you. And I took his fucking journal out. He had it in his desk. So I started reading this shit. Mom miss you.

SPEAKER_00

Miss you. I wish you could get off crack. So that we could be a real family.

SPEAKER_01

He started taking his shirt off, bro. Crying.

SPEAKER_00

Wish you could go so we could be a real family. That's some bully shit, bro. That's more bully shit than anything. He was talking shit first, bro. Nope.

SPEAKER_01

That's more bully shit than anything else. That was defensive on my part. Nope. And I just took it an extra step. I might have taken it too far. You did taking it too far. Not no Mike. But he started it. I told him to chill. At least she was in reaction. At least she was in react.

SPEAKER_00

At least she was trying. At least she was in real, bro. Yeah, at least she was trying. He dropped out of school like two weeks later. Oh, but you made that man drop out of school, bro. He thought it's gonna be two weeks later, bro. Oh, that's wild. That was uh that was entertaining. That was a fight. So you just out here fighting at a young age. You weren't calling niggas fans. Nah until you're twenty.

SPEAKER_01

Nah, I ain't gonna fight until the dog.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you got yours.

SPEAKER_01

Once I got into high school, I stopped fighting.

SPEAKER_00

You got yours at a young age.

SPEAKER_01

But middle school, I think I got I got suspended for like for five days for a fight. Didn't even tell my parents I got to suspend it. They didn't even call my parents, which was like a miracle.

SPEAKER_00

You just go to the park every day.

SPEAKER_01

I just kept faking go to school every day. And this was before a fucking smartphone, so you ain't had nothing to watch. So I had to just sit there for eight hours and walk back at three o'clock in my uniform. Like, hey mom, I'm back. I got kicked off the bus. This is a middle school, so the school was farther than two miles. The middle school was farther than two miles away. So I had to take a school. I had to take a school bus. But I got kicked off the bus. Wasn't my fault. They was throwing like paperballs. And then like the lady, the assistant bus driver, you know, it's like a bus driver that was a person that controls the kids. Yeah. Assistant bus driver was like, who the fuck threw the papers? And she thought it was me. But so I can't snitch. Right. I'm like, I can't snitch. I'm like, it was me. So I was just like, yeah, you know, yeah, I ain't throw it, but I don't know who threw it. And I ain't throw it, but I don't know who threw it though, but it wasn't me. And then she's like, I know, I know you threw it. And as soon as we got out of the bus, she like walked me to the principal office. I'm like, he disrupting my bus. And the principal office took me and she kicked me off the bus. She's like, now you gotta get a ride to school. But I couldn't tell my mom that.

SPEAKER_00

But all you doing is that's so stupid though, because all you doing is making it harder on the parents when you do some dumb shit like that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. But I couldn't tell my mom that. So I just I walked.

SPEAKER_00

How long? How far was that?

SPEAKER_01

That was like four or five miles. That's why I had to get into that fight with that dude with the stick. If I never had to get kicked off the bush, I would have never saw that man back there.

SPEAKER_02

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01

But I had to walk, bro. It was insane.

SPEAKER_00

That's funny.

SPEAKER_01

But they never could- that's middle, it was a brand new middle school. It was like, it just opened. Right. So I'm like, they never called my parents for some reason. So I was like, you got lucky. So I got lucky during those two. Yeah, you got lucky they didn't call because black parents ain't play. They don't play that shit. They never called. So I just continued my life. They don't play that shit. My mom never knew for you know for that one year seventh grade.

SPEAKER_00

I got in trouble in fifth grade. Me and my boy for sticking pencils up our shirt like they were titties. Oh, like doing the shit here. So the the woman called my mom. My mom was like, What you calling me for? Yeah, don't fucking call me. Yeah, like they acting like kids? Like, what you want me? That was funny. Uh you never been suspended? Nah, I never get suspended. Oh shit. Nah, I never get suspended. Let's get into these bourbons though, because we we over an hour.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we are.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, man. We learned a lot.

SPEAKER_00

We learned a lot about you today. We over an hour. We learned a lot about you today, sir. This is uh we learned a lot about About both of us, but you might have learned more about me. I've always thought you were a bully. You always thought I was a bully? Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01

I'm a nice guy.

SPEAKER_00

That's not a bully. Not a bully. A bully's not the right word for you. I'm a nice guy. Just a curmudgeon. Sigmudgeon. Just grumpy. You see it? What's this one? This is old granddad, 114. Oh, the one in the middle. Yeah, this is from uh the beam, Jim Beam distillery. Okay. Smells like when you smell it, you gotta smell it with your mouth open. That's what they say. You ain't gotta open your mouth like that. It just has to be open. You don't have to do that, it just has to be. Watching all the videos. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Like a sour taste afterwards.

SPEAKER_00

It's good. It's a good bargain bottle. It's another bottle about $30.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know what they have to taste.

SPEAKER_00

It's got a high proof. That's why.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know what they have to taste, man.

SPEAKER_00

I be watching all these videos where these people be blind in this stuff. So like they'll taste bourbons. Yeah, so what's in it? Yeah, they'll be sniffing it and they'll be like, oh, I smell the caramel, vanilla. Smells like a little creme brulee. Smells like a little Legion? Yeah, this is Legion. So this is also from the Beam distillery.

SPEAKER_01

Um you did this, man. Last time we did this, man. I was knocked out.

SPEAKER_00

Oh bro, yeah. As soon as you left, I was asleep. This is from uh Beam 2, but this is then it's also done with a um saying I had to and I had to I had to break up with a woman that day. A Japanese master blender. That's where you broke up. I was wondering, I know you said you were going to the movies and then I didn't hear anything else about the movies. That was the day.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, duh. I had to bring up a woman that day.

SPEAKER_00

You didn't tell me till this week. That was two weeks ago. You just told me y'all broke up like this week. I did. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00

You just like I can't do this no more.

SPEAKER_01

I didn't like talking to her, bro. I can go a whole day without talking to her. Hey well, at least she said some shit was like, then she was like, you don't care about my feelings. And I'm like, you know what? I don't.

SPEAKER_00

You right this is it. I don't care, bro. We done.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, this was smoother.

SPEAKER_00

So this is a uh it's from bean, but it's finished in wine and sherry cask. Okay, and then it's blended by a Japanese blender. Okay, because apparently Japanese Japs? Man. I gotta delete two things out now.

SPEAKER_01

The Japs. Shout out to the Japs. You gotta finish the whole thing down?

SPEAKER_00

I don't think that's a real thing.

SPEAKER_01

Like we gotta say what so how do I say shout out to the Japanese?

SPEAKER_00

You just say Asians.

SPEAKER_01

That's worse.

SPEAKER_00

Well, we're just gonna leave it alone. We just gonna leave it alone. Let's just stop while we let's just stop while we're ahead. This is Micter's.

SPEAKER_01

Tell us about Mickters.

SPEAKER_00

I honestly don't know much about Micters. It was just one of the ones on all the stuff I recommend. They're like, yeah, you should try this.

SPEAKER_01

Uh, you know, it's good, it's smooth, it's can you just find these local liquor stove?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Or do you have to go on to get this?

SPEAKER_00

I found all these at the ABC store. But they treat bourbons like sneakers, bro. So they're like, it's called allocated. So I only put them out at certain spots. That's why, like in Virginia, the alcohol is a monopoly. You can only buy at the ABC store. But that's why, like, when I was in Maryland yesterday trying to find that bottle of stag and he was like $275, I'm like, yo, this is a $70 bottle that y'all have marked up to $270 because it's so hard to find. So they treat it like sneakers.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. Oh shit. You ain't like that one?

SPEAKER_01

No, that one didn't. Oh.

SPEAKER_02

That one hurt.

SPEAKER_00

You ain't like that one. No, that one hurt. We didn't uh we didn't get into anything we wanted to. We didn't talk about the roast. We didn't talk about upcoming fatherhood. Uh I guess next time.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, man. We had the okay, we're supposed to talk about the Kevin Hart roast, but we know we talked about old school life. We talked about old school life. Childhood, man. Yeah. Learned a lot about TJ Ferguson. We learned a lot about Jamal Russell. We learned a lot. And then he's gonna become a dad. I'll be a dad. Next month. Soon.

SPEAKER_00

Are you excited? Very excited. Are you scared a little bit? I don't know if scared is the right word. I don't. I'm ready, like right now I'm ready to meet him. Like I wanna see him. I want to hold him over there. What if you don't like him? You know, I've thought about that. What if you just don't like him? Have thought about respect. Like, oh, this little. Oh, you get on my nerves. Nah, he's gonna be cool. He gotta be. He gotta be. We feed into some weird shit. Yeah, I just gotta support him. Just have to support him.

SPEAKER_01

It's good though.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. It's good though.

SPEAKER_01

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00

We'll get into that next time. Maybe we'll talk about the roast, but by that time the roast will be irrelevant. No one will care.

SPEAKER_01

They're still talking about it online.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no one will care anymore.

SPEAKER_01

I can talk about it online. You know? Happy uh Drake Day.

SPEAKER_00

Hey, I ain't gonna lie. I start I started listening to Iceman Expire. Haven't listened to the other two, but I started listening to Iceman.

SPEAKER_01

You don't gotta listen to the other two. I gotta listen to the. They just said he did the other two to fill a contract obligation. Three albums left. Now he can get out his contract.

SPEAKER_00

He wrote, he did three albums to spell out him. Spell out him? H-I-M. Habibi Iceman. Maid of Honor. Maid of Honor.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah. I didn't think that deep. See, now you're a real Drake fan now. No, no.

SPEAKER_00

I saw someone that said. I saw someone that said it.

SPEAKER_01

Hey, welcome to the side.

SPEAKER_00

I ain't gonna go. Hey, the ship was fire. Welcome to the side. I still listen to Morgan Waller. So it's like I'll listen to Drake. Morgan Waller ain't do nothing wrong.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

He didn't do that wrong.

SPEAKER_00

All right. What? Rick Ross, Lil Wayne did it. They embraced himself.

SPEAKER_01

Now Rick Ross. Remember that song? Remember that song he had? Which one? She didn't even know it.

SPEAKER_00

Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_01

Remember that song? Remember that he was like, I put Molly in her champagne.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I know. She didn't even know it. Nah, I didn't know about that.

SPEAKER_01

That was the wildest lyric you ever heard. Because everybody was like, yo, you raping this one?

SPEAKER_00

Select Selective Outrage, bro.

SPEAKER_01

I remember that lyric, bro. People pick and choose what they get mad about.

SPEAKER_00

We'll talk about that. We'll talk about selective outrage next time.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00

People be mad about shit then. In the meantime, Team Drake. Alright, we're gonna end there. We'll catch you guys. Drake won the beef. We'll catch you next week, episode three. Thanks for listening. Team Drake.