The Backyard Episode

The Meal Talk Boys are back discussing comedy and TJ’s new business venture.

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Episode three. The Meal Talk Reboot. Uh here, I'm TJ Ferguson along with my co-host. Jamal Russell. And we are back for another episode of Meal Talk. We don't have the food today. I mean, I did. We do have some drinks. Yeah, Jamal had Jamal sampled. Yeah, because you know, we have a nice TJ here, the man of many talents. Man of many, many talents, many ventures. A lot of ventures. I reinvent myself every year. He's starting a new venture. He's gone away from the DJ. Alright. Comedy is on the low end. He is now going to start himself a hot dog stand. Hot dog cart. Hot dog cart here in Washington, D.C. You know how they have him in New York, but the guy he's gonna be the wan in DC to start himself a hot dog cart, and I had to sample the very first one. And how was it? I had to sample that. I'm gonna give my honest 100 true opinions. That's what I want to hear. It was true. Oh wow. All right, cut. Cut turn it off. Turn it off. Turn the camera off. You supposed to tell people it's good. It looks good. No. It looks good, man. He showcased his mini black stone talent. See? Back here, unemployed, practice on the back of the back dogs. For three bucks now. Just cooking hot dogs. That's all he does. It is not cooking hot dogs and make fancy drinks with smoke on it. That's what he's been doing. Oh. He's been unemployed. Jamal ruins everything. Jamal ruins everything. Look at this drink. Look at this drink. Perfect. Perfect. Two cocktails for myself. Get that back. Look at that. That's perfection right there. Only an unemployed man can do that. But I'm starting a business. It's good. Yep, I asked for it. I asked for a business loan, so. Go get it done, man. Make it pop. Hot dog's pretty tasty. He got secret yellow relish on there. You won't tell anybody what's in it. It's delicious. It's good. It's sweet. It's a little sweet. It's a little tangy. It goes well with the chili. The saltiness of the chili and the hot dog, right? The buns are toasted. That's the problem. With a lot of these places, they don't toast their buns. My man TJ here has heeded my words on toasted buns. There is not a premier hot dog spot in DC. It's not a premiere one, but you know, you can you can door dash you one. You can take you an hour to get it. You can door, like, but there's like if you want, most cities you go to, there's somewhere you can go to where it's like, oh, I want to get a hot dog. This is where I go. Yeah, but how late you think you're gonna be serving up hot dogs? How late you think you're gonna be? You better be a father. So what do you mean late? You think you're gonna be serving up hot dogs? Oh, I can catch the late night club crowd. So you're gonna be in there at 2 o'clock in the morning? Because these shut down at 2 a.m. Yeah, that's where we are. Everybody's coming out the clubs. Everybody's coming out the club looking for something late night to eat. But you also not healthy. Lunch rush, festivals. Like if you get in like festivals, get like different vendors. You get that card up, man. That's different vendor list. I don't want to serve them. You don't want to serve them. Actually, you know what? Let me let me stop. Let me take them white people's money. Let me take them. I don't want a ticket to that. You can't, it's only for since it's on the White House, because I was trying to get a ticket. I was like, I'm gonna go. You're not going. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna run your black ass out of there. But you can it's only for like military and and White House officials. I hope people they trust. I hope it rains. I hope it rains. I hope it's a hope it's a good time. I hope it's a thunderstorm. You not like the UFC or you not like it being at the White House? Yeah, well I will I hope you don't like Trump is a good thing. Yeah, I just don't like Trump. Because it's all this talk about a ballroom. We need a ballroom to have a safe space, bro. You're doing something on the front lawn. How safe is that? Well, he do be at every UFC event inside. So he will be sitting outside courtside. And he said he's going to uh he said he's going to the NBA Finals when it's in New York this year. Nothing's wrong with it, but they're gonna boo his ass out of the building. They are gonna boo his ass out of the building. You saw the uh the Jackson Dark thing. Yeah, because that's New York though. Like, you know what I'm saying? That's New York. It ain't like you going to a SE school, SEC school down in the South. You going Well, some people like them in New York. It's it is some it's Trump fans everywhere, bro. Oh, it's Trump fans everywhere. Um, the New York Giants going through it right now. You see that? Yeah, they are, but they're gonna come out stronger, bro. They're gonna mess around and make it to the NFC championship this year. And they're gonna be like, no, it's just proof that you can have different reviews and work as a unit to fulfill a common goal. I'm like, yeah, shut up. I'm sick of all of it, bro. I don't I don't even want to talk about it. I try to stay as ignorant as I can be without being completely ignorant, because what am I gonna do? How you gonna change it? Yeah, what do we do other than go vote every year? What am I gonna do? It's like the Kevin. That's why you can go to the event and enjoy yourself. I ain't going to the event, but I would sell them hot dogs. Yes, I would. Well, that boy makes a-scoot, too. That colored boy makes a good dog. My great-great-granddaddy had a slave named Jimmy Day that used to make the best chili. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah, they still talk about the Kevin Hart roasts. They are, but it's been like two weeks. They still it's been uh it's been longer than that. They're still going at it. And it's just 30% up. That nigga that nigga Tony Hitchcliffe came up and he started talking shit about Chelsea Handler, what she was saying about him, and how he's not racist or gay, and he gives all the opportunities to all the black comics, gay comics, disabled comics. I tell you that though. I tell you, that's one thing he is telling the truth about. He's not lying there. My thing is, we ain't all gotta agree on everything, though. He said a joke that you didn't like, you don't need to do a think piece. You move on. Yeah, you move on. Because you laughed at shit that other people didn't laugh at. But you're not talking about that. Everybody's offended by something. Everyone's just we soft. We are a soft nation. Everyone's mad. Yeah, everyone's mad at everything, and a lot of times the things you're mad about don't nobody care about but you. Yeah, man. The people, the people who laughed at that joke are not people you were going to talk any sense into. That's it's a completely different demographic. That's what I'm saying. You're not even friends with people who laugh at them jokes. And the comics the ones that get me though. The comics are like, you he shouldn't upset. You should want people to be able to say whatever they want to say. Exactly. On stage, you should yeah, I support here. I support comics saying whatever the fuck they want. We ain't gonna agree. Well, I ain't gotta agree with the joke. It's not my joke. Uh did the Kevin Hart Breakfast Club, I don't know if you watched that. He came out and he was like, it's not my joke. I didn't say it. Right. He was like, I didn't say it. Don't be mad at me. Yeah, I didn't say it. Tony said it. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at Tony. I didn't say it. My name, they were roasting me. My name was on the thing, and that's why they're mad at him. I agree with that. That's one thing I do agree with Kevin Hart, because I'm like, I didn't say it. So if you want to say these risky jokes as a comic, say it. Right? And it's a they come after your ass. Just remember you said it. And it's also a roast, bro. It's just a roast. Everyone's like, it was a humiliation ritual, and they were trying to take away all his fame and success and everything that he's done. I'm like, bro, no one is looking that deep into it. It wasn't that deep. Other than you. They were just roasting him. They were roasting him flat, short, and a yes man. Yeah. That's what they were roasting a man for. Yeah. Roasting Chelsea Handler for being a hoe and a woman. Yeah. She is a hoe and a woman. Yeah, bro. I was, I just don't, people just get mad about everything, bro. And it's just it's infuriating because everyone uses their view to try to impose that on what other people should think. And it's just like, if you don't agree, you just don't agree. And I can like even like talking about Trump. Yeah, I don't fuck with Trump, but it's just like, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? I'm not gonna write a think piece about it. Your little article is not getting him out of the office. Yeah, and I'll I'll talk about it. I'll say shit. Like, I don't like him. I don't, I have no problem letting people know that I don't like him, but the people who do like him aren't. I don't fuck with them either. Like I'm like talking about like the deep south, like people who you know, what do you want me to do? I just love him, you love him. I'm like, that's your thing. I got my thing. You got your thing. Yeah, people be annoying, bro. I'd be annoying, and then if you think outside the box, oh you Uncle Tom and you coon it. Shut up. Shut up, have an independent thought. That's the black version of it. Every time you try to do something that's not typical, or whatever uh the other black people are thinking. Oh, you coon then. You coon it. Uncle Tom, Uncle. And I'm cooning for some reason. Stop. Oh, this is a special backyard edition as well. Um, but I thought we should do this. It wasn't as hot as it is now. Yeah, it was like 70. It was cool when I left the house. Yeah, it was nice, and I was like, yeah, we should do a backyard version, and now it's it's warm out, but we we're gonna persevere. We were built for this on the backs of our ancestors. Oh, Jesus. Jesus Christ, man. That's what somebody else does, because I'm like, people be like, there's never been a time in the US history that things were like this. I'm like, yo, tell that to your people that were marching in the civil rights movement. Like, tell that what Trump is doing is that. That's what I'm saying. It's been some periods, brother. Yeah, it's been some periods. It has been worse. What I'm saying, we couldn't go outside. You know what I mean? It's been some periods. Right now, I feel like this time, it's not great, but it's pretty good. It's not great, right? It's not going great out there in the world. Fuck shit, fucking shit is happening. But as a black person, I wouldn't go back. Yeah, and too, I mean, and two things can be true. Yeah, things can be fucked up right now, but if you ask me if I want to live right now or if I want to live back then, we'll take right now, exactly. I can still go to Chipotle right now. Yeah. And I can go on a date with a white woman and fine. In DC you can't. In DC you can't. In DC you can't. In some states, they still frown upon. They frowned upon that. In DC we're pretty liberal up here. Yeah. It's just it's selective outrage and people want to be mad, and people are miserable. All you gotta do is get on Facebook for 10 minutes to realize that people are miserable and they want you to be miserable. Like you comment on something and people just comment on it. As soon as I comment on something, I just turn off the notifications. You can do that on Facebook. Yeah. On Instagram, you can't do it. And it's I don't comment on a lot on Instagram. It'd be like twenty, it'd be six months later. People are still arguing over a comment. I said, I forgot all about this comment. I moved on. I already rebated y'all. And the thing to the next one. The thing about commenting on um Instagram stuff too is like I'll comment on something and get more likes than my posts be getting. I'll be like, where y'all be when I Where y'all be when I be posting this regular shit? Because I did comment, like, these people have gotten mad about this teacher. They thought her dress was too short. Too short? No, I didn't think so. She had ass. Nah, it was just she was teaching, she was doing like this rap. The kids were engaged, involved in it, and they were like, this video causing controversy, wherever. And I was like, I was like, I just commented. I was like, this world is broke and there's nothing wrong with she's wearing. And then like 1,300 likes. Like, I was like, for a comment, I'm like, for something so basic. As a mother, as a father. That's how they be. Like, as a mother, this is ridiculous. People mad don't even be having kids, though. There'd be people so outraged about shit that don't even got a stake in it. That's so I tell a joke about why you people being mad about shit for black people that black people don't care about. Y'all be mad. Outraged. I can't believe this is happening. Meanwhile, we like, I'm good. I am solid, man. I'm even thinking about it. I'm gonna make it. Right. I'm a good, I'm good, man. Yeah, I just be sure. You know what I'm saying? I feel like I gotta get madder at shit more. Nah, I just be no, you don't. You just gotta be peaceful, bro. Because people just people wake up about something, mad about something every day. And do you know how exhausting that is? To just wake up mad? True. And you ain't gonna have to agree with everything that's going on. Like, I don't agree with everybody. I keep saying it sound like a broken record. What am I gonna do? Nothing you can do about it. Yeah. You can't worry about shit you can't solve. I'm like, maybe that's just us. Yeah, I think that's just us. We just we're rational. You know what I mean? What am I gonna do about it? Why don't I try to get in goddamn debates with people? Facebook is the fucking worst, bro. I remember yesterday somebody had posted something about uh they were like, oh, Chris Sims ranks Shador 41st out of 43 NFL quarterbacks or something. And I commented and I was like, I was like, yeah, because Chris Sims' uh opinion holds a lot of weight. And somebody was like, well, he was a quarterback in the league, and this who if just let me know who we should listen to if we shouldn't listen to him. And their their picture was a sunset, and I was like, I don't usually engage with people that have a sunset as their profile picture. I was like, but I listened to God. I was like, God came me in the dream, showed me Shador going to 10 Pro Bowls, host and hoisting eight Lombardi trophies. I was like, do you doubt God? And they didn't respond. I will troll the fuck out of these people. I will I will just troll them. I don't even believe some of the shit I be saying on there just to make them mad. Yeah, rage bait in the comments is what I do best. Oh bro, it's so much fun. The best, man. I saw I saw a post. I mean to cut you off. I made an Owen Hodge uh threads account. That shit got deleted in two hours. They were like, we don't believe this is a real profile. And I just put on there, I was like, hey, my family disowns me because I voted for Trump. And people were in there telling their whole life story, people cussing me out. And she had so many comments, and the threads were like, hey, you done. We gonna kick you off. And that was a uh that was a satire account, people. I don't want y'all out here thinking I voted for Orange Man. It was it was satire. But I didn't mean to cut you off. Carry on. What was I talking about? I don't know. Yeah. Most of my Instagram is like relationship shit. That's always fun. Oh, speaking of, we'll get into that. It's all that's always fun. I saw it was like a it was like a video. It was like a video of some woman saying, uh, yeah, I can't date. I went on a date with this guy, he was too nice, so I uh I just broke up with him or some shit like that. And I just put in the comments, very simple comment. I was like, not always women, but always women. Not always women, but always women. Right? Uh huh. And it went nuclear of just ladies cursing me out. I I responded to zero people, just ladies cursing me out. But how you gonna use that? That's what we say about men when they harm us, and then another guy coming, and then men coming in to defend me. Or men hop in there like they uh coming in to defend me. They're trying to get their feminist leg. I'm a feminist too. He wasn't even cugging me. Yeah, he's talking about Oh, they were defending you. Oh, okay, okay. He's talking about how you ass always don't like the nice guy and give up to the gangsters. And then ladies like that, that was it was I'm talking about it was like 12,000 comments of just blow it up already. I said nothing. No, they weren't at me anymore. They was adding each other just hard. It's men versus women, man. Oh man. That's just fun. You enjoy that. I do enjoy it. Yeah, you because they get angry so fast. They do, they get angry so fast. I just make a little small comment on every one of their little posts, and they get angry so fast. Just picture you just sitting at your computer cheesing, you know. I got something for that ass. I got something for you. I got them, and that's it. That's what I do at work for 24-7, 24 hours. I'm gonna try this. Uh Jamal got these bomb tails. Yeah, it's on Instagram. Sex on we got a sex on the beach. So gay. Gay. Shout out Dom Greger and Margarita. Uh I think I would try the uh Long Island iced tea, I feel like. So they're all 15% alcohol. Yeah. Give them in the hood, man. 30 proof. Nigga, this shit just looks like something that will make you sick. Give him in the hood, man. This looks like pure hood drinks, man. This looks like a liquid jolly rancher. Oh boy. They got a government warning on there. Malt beverage. Natural flavors and caramel color. Long island ice. I'm gonna regret this. I am going to regret this. But hey, you only live once. When's the last time you had a long island iced tea? Bro, I cannot I honestly can't remember the last time I had a long island iced tea. So that's all I used to drink in college. Well, that's the other stuff. I was gonna say college. Like, so when I first like started drinking, that was like the Goju Louis of Long Island. But there was this bowling alley when I used to work at uh Berkshire Theater Festival in Stockbridge, Massachusetts, and they had the best Long Island iced teas. Oh bro, it was so good, and like you could go there, they had like a special on them on Thursday nights. He was getting torn up. Tore up. That shit is all alcohol, man. I already got all island iced teas because I didn't know I ain't gonna lie, it ain't bad. See that? See, you was hating on the bottom tails, man. I mean, I'll get I mean I can take it in like uh doses though. Like I I can imagine drinking a full one of these. You never drank a full one of these? I drank that, I drank that one before food. I mean that what bro, it's so like sweet, bro. It's like a sweet tart. You wanna try it? Let's let's chug them. You wanna try it? We're gonna do it. That's all I got. Oh boy. I'm gonna be sick. Already know. I already know. That shit's gonna hit you. You know, I didn't talk shit too early though. It's not bad. Yeah. It is not bad. You know why I started taking you ever took those gut cleansing pills? No, I nah. That's such a weird segue, bro. I really did that even. How do we get how do we get it was on my mind, man, because it was like I was like, that was gonna hit you later. I was like thinking about shit. Never took one of those gut cleansing pills? Nah, I don't need it, bro. My shit be colon colon cleansers, my shit be bubbling on its own, bro. Like all these nothing else. I took that shit. That shit was like, it said water. It might hit you in 24 to 48 hours. Ain't no warning on that bitch, man. You you you be walking away, you just fine. You just fine walking up and down the street. I'm telling you, bro. Hot bed, my stomach was going through it last night. I was gonna stay. My stomach going through it, bro. That's why you I I tried to fucking focus. Your face was clenched up when you were leaving. I was like, what's the fuck wrong with Mo? What could you do? My stomach was going through it, dog. Yeah, your face was your face was mad clenched up before you left, and I was like, damn, Maul, like here, because I'm kind of mood, bro. I didn't take a shit, though. That shit hit, boy. My whole intestine like dropped. That shit crazy. Oh man, it's not like honestly though, like where you really gotta take it shit. It's nothing like just getting to the as soon as you sit down, you be like, Yeah, oh I fucking made it. I fucking made it, bro. 20 pounds lighter, man. I'm telling you, but that's it's not even like the regular shit, bro. It's just like it's like water. That shit came out bro. That shit came out like water, bro. That shit was crazy. You just hear that shit hit the water just just hitting the water. Damn, man. So yeah, this is yeah. He's like, Yeah, let me clean myself up. I'm nasty. Oh, that's hilarious, bro. Yeah, man. I'll never listen. I just Googled it, alright? Cause I was like, damn, man, I feel bloated as hell. And Google was like, yeah, man, take these pills and help you out. Like, all right, cool. You gotta stop going to Google for everything, bro. Fuck me. Up man, this shit tasted nasty. Oh, that's so funny. That's so funny. I forgot to turn the propane off. Oh shit, nah. I just I'm more concerned with the propane running now. I saw that shit in Ron Island. But propane was like nine dollars. How much? Nine dollars a tank. Oh, not here. You replace it, they like you come, they they trade it out. It was nine dollars to trade out. If you ain't trade it out, it was 21 bucks. Nah, like trading them out here, it's like $24. If I go to the Home Depot, but it's a service station closer, they be like $31. $31? Yep. They're gonna try to do, or I would like to do, I would like to do like a finals night, sit the projector and watch the game. Um, but you know the A finals? Yeah. Because it's gonna be a good series with with the Spurs and the Knicks. So I want to do like a projector night, watch one of the games. Um I got Wimby and Six. I want the Spurs to win. I like I got Wimby and Six. I only want them to win because I hate the Knicks fans. I don't even popping on Instagram. You know a dude got a tattoo? Oh, that's that's normal. People get tattoos all the time. Oh nah, he bugged it. They just made it to the championship, and then he got a tattoo of Knicks winning. I want I want the Spurs to win because I like Wimby. Because Wimby reminds me of like a throwback player. He like, I ain't trying to be friends with y'all niggas. Like, I want I want to take everything you have on the court. True. Like, uh, so I want him to win. I think he's my new player I haven't had a favorite player since Kobe. I think Wimby's my favorite player. Has it only been two years? Three years? Since Kobe? No, like in the league. Yeah, two years. Yeah. Two years. So you you you already made him your favorite player. Yeah, he's got he's got the he's got a passion about him, bro. I like that, I like the passionate. And you wasn't a fan of LeBron? I've never been a LeBron fan. I respect LeBron later in his career. I couldn't stand LeBron when he first came in the league. I couldn't stand it. Who was your team? You was a fan like everybody else? Nah, nah, nah. I don't really have a team. I would always root for players. So when Kobe was alive, like I was a Lakers fan. Because I was a Kobe fan. Um, but I don't have, I don't, I can't say I really have a team. I say right now I like Wimby. Wimby's probably my favorite player right now, so I'll root for the Spurs, and I also like LaMello, so I'll root for root for the Hornets. No, I like Ant. Oh, I like Ant too. I like Ant too because he's straight, he just he is who he is. Yeah, he just Yeah. He don't care. I really liked Ant. I don't know if it's even true. But you wanna you know when it came out he cheated and he had that baby and went, he had that baby. And he just paid it off? He paid that shit. Yeah. He's like, yeah, it's 18 years worth of money, 1.8 million dollars. Right. And don't talk to me again. That's when I was like, you know what? That's one cold ass motherfucker right there. I like that man. I replaced that man more after he done. It's never been done. Now I like the system. I like Ant too. Then when I saw him in that movie, oh the uh the Adam Sandler janks? Yeah, when I saw him in that movie, I was like, he yeah, he can act too. Yeah. That's pretty pretty cool. How are you gonna take the shade off me? And then put the hold on. No, I was trying to put it. I was trying to put it on both of us. I had the shade on me. This nigga gives up, removes it from me, and puts it on him. Nah, because the sun. Hold on, y'all ain't see this bull shiter in this man. No, all you gotta do is scoot. All you gotta do is scoot over a little bit, bro. I was already in the shade. Why didn't you scoot over this way? Because I wouldn't be in the shade if I scooted over that way. Nah, I gotta bake in the sun. Nah, bro. I wouldn't have been in the shade. Because I looked up and the sun was right above me, bro. And earlier. He was in the same position. Nah, earlier the sun, earlier the sun was that way. No, the sun did not shift, man. The sun shifted. The sun did not shift, my nigga. You just you just did the pettiest move you ever seen. Yeah, y'all didn't even see this shit. Y'all saw this man disappear. That's what that nigga was doing. He pulled the whole shade over him. Oh yeah, that night, that nigga could be. God damn. That's crazy. You younger, bro. You younger than me. You know what I'm saying? Like shit. That's crazy. You shit hit different when you get 40, bro. But yeah, you could just scoot over my way. That's crazy. Yeah, just scoot over. There's so much room. That's crazy, bro. All you gotta do is come over a little bit. I ain't never been disrespectful like that in my life, man. I ain't never been disrespectful like that. I love that it's the most disrespectful shit that happened to Jamal Russell, bro. It took time to register because you were changing that shit too. Because you were just talking and you was like, oh the fuck up. He was like, hold up. I was talking. Because normally when you get up, it's my job to keep talking. I was like, he must be adjusting the camera or something. But he skipped past the camera. He skipped past the motherfucking camera and went right to the shade and then pulled it on the other side. I was like, this nigga here, bro. This nigga here, bro. This is a tree on this nigga. Hey bro, you you older. I mean, you younger, bro, so you know. This shit don't affect you. It don't affect you like it affects me. That's some crazy shit. I've never been disaffected like this. Oh boy. Captain. Captain. You know what in episode, man. Nah, you know, in the week. We 25, 26 minutes in. We got at least another 15, 20, 25 minutes of ignorance to talk about. Who's I talking about? Anthony Edwards. Yeah, damn. Yeah, like Anthony Edwards. He just gotta kick it up a notch in the playoffs. He wins. I think when he wins, oh, he's gonna explode. When he wins a championship, he's gonna explode. That's everybody, though. Like, you know how hard it is to like win at a sport, though? Like, like once you get to the playoffs, like so everyone's like, oh, he doesn't perform in the playoffs. It's like, nah, bro, that's just hard. It's it's some people like James Harden. Oh, bro, James Harden. Just just whipped. Like, yeah, he just disappeared. Like Wimby, not Wimby. No. Chet? Oh, Chet, four points last night. Chet last night got he got he got bullied. But the thing is, bro, what? It's just hard. Like, think of the Buffalo Bills. Four straight Super Bowls. All losses. All losses. And listen, the Buffalo Bills, I was a kid when the Buffalo Bills, those are the first Super Bowls I can remember. So they went to the Super Bowl so many times. I thought the Super Bowl as a kid, I thought the Super Bowl was just whoever gets to play the Buffalo Bills. You thought they were like the final boss? I thought they were just like the final boss, bro. I was just like, oh yeah, the Bills make it every year, and then whoever playing the Bills. Yeah. So like in every year they would go there, they would lose that shit, bro, in heartbreaking fashion. Now, how do you think they're the final boss if they keep losing? I don't know. I just thought I didn't know, nigga. I'm five. I'm I'm four. I'm five years old. I don't know. I just know I see this red helmet with a buffalo every single year. So I was like, okay, yeah, they go every year and if she's a little bit of a super What's this? That was my first Super Bowl. I was born in 85. I was like, this was the 80s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like when we were there, they were there with like what 88 through 92 or something like that. It was like, damn. Yeah, so I'm saying that's those are my first memories. I don't remember my first of the Super Bowl. You probably weren't even born yet. My first Super Bowl I remember is Oakland Raiders versus Tampa Bay. When were you born? 94. How you look older than me? First of all, sir. First of all, sir. Don't disrespect me, dog. Don't disrespect me, man. 94? 94, dog. You look older than me. Don't disrespect me. You know, you know, it's funny. I consider Jamal one of my best friends now. But I did not think I was gonna like you. Well, wait a minute, man. I did not think I was gonna like you. No, you are likable, bro. But like when you before I knew you, and I would just see you around. I was like, who is this little loud nigga with the bush? I was like, who is this loud nigga with this bush, everything? Should be like, got you 15? How many people on this show? Like, nigga, just take your spot. Just take your spot. Yo, listen. For people that don't know, it was this is the late night show with Big Hunt, bro. This was back in the days when the shit was exclusive. All right. Yeah, yeah. Got you fixed. Mega, I I hate that shit, bro. Even now with the late show where I hate it every time I'm like, well, I'm gonna know this motherfucker gonna come around, got you 13. Got you. I'm not doing, I'm not going 13. Oh, bro. Got you 13, man. I just be mad. That's insane. I'd be ready to walk the fuck up out of there. Too much. Man, I've done too much. I got credits now, man. I just be 13. I gotta get out of here. Oh boy. Yeah, I was like, who is this nigga with this loud now, this loudmouth nigga with the bush? And then the Ag Bob's like, nah, he's cool, bro. He cool, man. No, you fuck with him. Don't be a dick, man. Don't be a dick. Don't you or is you and Casting's birthday close together? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think they were having something, and they were like, 23rd, might as well 19th. Okay. Yeah, because y'all were having like a party. This was years ago or something like that. It was like some party on Agba. I was like, you coming? I was like, oh I might roll. Yo, don't be a dick, man. Come through. Come through. I don't think you came though. I don't think I came either. Yeah, I didn't really. I ain't really come. I don't really go to stuff like that though. But you wanted us to go to your birthday party when you had that terrible girlfriend. I didn't want y'all to come. She invited y'all. Man, we showed up, man. I didn't know. We showed up for you. I didn't know about it. But you ain't show up for us. I don't show up to a lot of comic functions. You gotta start, man. You're comic again. Nah, dude, I'm just. You gotta show up now. That's how that's how comedy works now. Nah, I got a kid on the way. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna be busy. I got an excuse to be busy now. I don't stop. I don't stop. I will have an excuse. Some comics who just have kids be out there. Yeah, but they miserable. They not miserable. Yeah, I don't show up to a lot of comic functions. Because I I mean I like comics. I like like I wouldn't say that like I don't fuck with anybody, but like I just fuck with other people more. So I would I would come if you had a birthday party now, I would come. Yeah, but I don't really do that. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. I don't really do that. Exactly. That's something too. I'm not a jack I'm going to Jack Swartz wedding on my birthday. See if I'm married on my birthday. So I'm like, that's a that's I that's my plan. See, and I'm not like I just I did have a plus one though, because it was back then when I was dating, and now they're like, you know, you should have a plus one. I don't know what to do with that. Our reboot episode ruined that because Jamal got drunk. Jamal got drunk when we rebooted the podcast and broke up with his girlfriend the same day. He was like, I gotta get out of here. I'm going to a movie. Going to a movie. The nigga went home, went to sleep. And then three weeks later, he was like, Oh, yeah, we done. I discovered I didn't like talking to it, bro. You were like, I'm done. And the thing, I knew you were drunk when you started asking for snacks. Jamal's snacks, like some chips. I was like, I said, fruit snacks? Yeah, I'll take some of the fruit snacks. A lot of whiskey, dog. Tabaria had so much planned for us that day two. We were supposed to go to store it. We were supposed to do something. Nigga, I was on the couch knocked out till like eight o'clock. I woke up in time to watch a TV show and go to bed. Yeah, we did drink a lot of whiskey that day. And this long this long island iced tea is creeping up on me now. Yeah, one more, man. Nah, we're gonna split this. Yeah, one more, man. We're gonna split it. This don't even sound appealing. And what do they use if they don't use tequila? There's no tequila in there. I don't even see an ingredients list. All I see is a government warning. We ain't drinking, we don't know what we're drinking. Malt beverage with natural flavors. That's all that says, bro. Yeah, it don't matter. It don't matter. Yeah, that's it, man. Oh man. That's it, man. I don't remember the first time we started even hanging out. I don't either. I don't. I don't either. I do remember. I remember when uh when Jay passed, and I remember we we had the thing at uh Reliable, and you went up there and talked. We were we were doing the podcast at that point. Yeah. And you were like, you know, my sister's my only friend. You know, I used to have two friends. I got two friends, and my sister's my other friend, and now at J pass, I got I got one friend. I was like, this nigga right here. I was like and then and then you try to salvage this shit. Nah, you my friend, man. You my friend. Nah, nigga, you ain't saying I was in the moment, man. You should have made it about me at Jay's memorial. You should have been like, yeah, I got two other friends, my sister and TJ. But I don't sound more I don't sound impactful. Make it about me. I don't sound impactful. Nah, it was my nigga. My nigga, you should have. You know how many comics came to me after that? Like, man, I thought I was your friend. Listen, nah, I was like, and the thing is, I could have told those other comics, like, nah, he don't fuck with you. Like, but but me? Me? I was in the green room last week. And I forget, it was some comic. He was like, he was like, have y'all always been doing the podcast? Like, and I rebuild it. He's like, man, it's funny that you get stuff out of Jamal. Like, he was like, it's funny that you, he's like, he's very closed off. And I'm just, and I wonder, I was like, I was like, yeah, he can't be, but I wouldn't be like, he just don't fuck with y'all. He just he just don't fuck with y'all, bro. Can't say that, man. I gotta leave. He's like, yeah, you get stuff. Jamal's very closed off, man. He'd be trying to talk to me, but I'm like, I don't, I don't care enough to answer that question. It's been so funny. It's been so funny being back because I don't know a lot of them. Like as much and they don't and they don't know me. So like some of them they look like new, and then I go on stage and they're like, oh, yeah, jokes. Yeah, it's like, oh, you can tell jokes. Um but they cool. It's a much more supportive environment. It's gayer. It's hella gay, dog. It's a much more supportive environment than I was doing. Because when I was doing comedy, the vets, they were cool, but they they didn't necessarily want you to succeed. Like, you know what I'm saying? You were there, right? You were their competition. Bro, we would sit in the back of the room and just laugh at motherfuckers bombing. Laugh at them bombing. And now, motherfuckers will bomb and they'll come off stage and the motherfucker will be like, good set. Shut the f I didn't do that. Me and we were at I was at a don't tell you show yesterday in Rockville. Dudes on stage bombing. Me and Don Rivera's back there just cackling, nigga. We play all sticks. We were back, yeah. Every time he said a joke and didn't laugh, we just kind of looked at each other and just started laughing. You're like, yo, this nigga sucks. He was eating shit. Bro, and it's nothing worse than like it's like most of the Y'all go ahead, go ahead. No, no, no, go ahead. Most of the time you know who's gonna bomb though. It'll be so much momentum in a room. And they'll introduce a comic. You'd be like, well, that's the end of this shit. That's the end of this shit. I know they're gonna bomb by the first joke. When they hit they hit that first joke and it don't land, you see the fluster on their face. Bro, but that's where that's what we were talking about, the difference between hotbed and big hunt. Because big hunt, if you went up late at Big Hunt, if you weren't in the first seven, it was a good chance you were gonna be doing jokes to six people. Because after seven, motherfuckers are alright, we up out of here. The fire was gone. Walked them. And it used to be like standing room, like you couldn't even like comics, you couldn't even get through the stage. You had to like bumble audience members just to get to the fucking stage. It wasn't a great layout. But once you get to like, like last. At that time, I was just got to DC. So I was like last. I got on the stage, it was me, one drunk dude eating fries, and the fucking uh bartender. I had my mic upside down the whole time. You still you'll still be able to hear it. Me and the bartender, and that was it. We walk, but big hunt was also like, and I like Hotbed. Hotbed's a great club, but it's not Big Hunt. Because Big Hunt, you would just have motherfuckers drop in there out of nowhere. Like you'd be 11:30 show, and all of a sudden the motherfucker that's been on HBO, Comedy Central, Netflix will just drop in. True. And everybody get bumped. And everybody get Yeah, you get bumped, and you had to just go home. And they'd be like, yeah, man, this person. Like Pat Oswald showed up, man. You gotta go, bro. I'm like, all right, you know what I'm saying? And that was it was one night. Who showed up? It was uh, it was Che. Che showed up. It was Rose, I thought what's her name? Rosebud? Rosebud Baker? Yeah, she showed up, and somebody else. I was trying to get Che and Rosebud to go up, and the person that was with them, and I'm not gonna say his name, but he's cool. We kicked it. I liked him a lot. I'll tell you, he came up and he wanted to go up. And I was like, man, I ain't trying to motherfucking bump people for you. Trying to, not trying to do that. But it's it's different. It's different now, bro. We don't get you don't get those drop-ins no more. Change because BC improv used to have spots for locals. Just to feature our host. Now every headliner comes and brings her own people. Brings its own people. So you the locals are out of that color. Unless you're in a little side room, which could be a mixed bag, the little small room. Yeah, the lounge is hit or miss. It's no longer. But then I be in the lounge doing like my set, and then I go over to the main room, and then you'll see these features of whoever they bring eating shit. But I'm like, the DCM problem is the easiest room in the history of rooms. The game, like the game is eating shit. And I'm like, you brung this man. The game is weird down there, bro. And that happened. I was hosting. This was uh this was when I was in good graces. So that's when I was in good graces of hot bed. So I did I went through not a hot bed at a big hunt. I went through the ringer, nigga. I was f I was flyering at hot bed. I mean not a hot bed at a big hunt. I had to fly her. Oh yeah, I ain't never did that. Yeah, and the girl I was dating with, the dating at the time, she would come out and help me fly her. She would help you fly. She used to love it. She's she used to love it, nigga. I wasn't even flyering. She was just flyering. Damn, well, when you marry that woman, that seems like a good woman. That's an interesting story. That seems like a good woman. She seemed so supportive. So she would come out, she would come out and fly her with me. And then it was like I was working door. I was working door and it was like, are you working door? Alright, I got you 12. You're going 12. So it was months of that. And then I got to the point it was working door and it was like, got you number one. I was like, ah, nigga. Nigga, a nigga making it. And I was sitting at work at a bullshit job and I got a text message. Hey, you wanna you wanna host for Carmen Lynch? Okay. So I hosted for Carmen Lynch. And then then I was in the rotation. I was in the host rotation. And then Tim Dylan used to come through, and Tim Dylan would pack BitCon out every time. And there was a group of comics at the time sitting around. They were like, man, I wonder who, I wonder who he's gonna let host for that. I'm sitting there thinking, like, eh, it seemed like it seemed like it seemed like my time coming up for this. He's like, You want to host for Tim Dylan? And I host for Tim Dylan, and it was good. And then, you know, just things went to shit. Then I just went, I went downhill. But Tom Takar, when I was hosted for him, he had brought a feature that was so bad. You bringing up your friends, man. It will he was so bad. And then loyalty, but you guys at one point, you guys like, yo, you suck. It was so bad that night after night one, Sean hit me up and was like, hey, I'm gonna put you on a different showcase. I'm gonna get somebody else to host this and add some more people to it. Just because of how last night went. So he took you off? He took me off. He took me off, he added, he added a woman host. And then he added some more people, and then Tom went up. He's like, I'm gonna put you on a different showcase. Do what you gotta do, bro. I don't care. Nah, man. Why would you then my thing is why would you take me off though? You can just add more people. If this nigga sucks so bad, just add more people. Like, I'm good. Bro, I'm a I don't I'm a hit. If I'm hosting, and the dude behind me, I don't give a fuck what happens after my set. Well the thing is, bro, I would bury motherfuckers, not b- I wouldn't say bury people, but I would go up and host and have a better set the people on the show have. But it's like I'm like a Rick, I am a Rick Fox of comedy. Either I'm hot or I'm not hot. And I'm not talking about my performance because I feel like I'm pretty consistent with how I perform, but in the eyes of bookers, it's like we either fucking with TJ for six months or we not fucking with him. True. And I don't know, I don't know what I do. I don't know what I do for that to happen. You disappear, man. Yeah, you gotta be, you gotta be even when I don't disappear. This is before I was disappearing. Oh, this is back when you was consistent. Yeah, this is when I was consistent. It was just like you on and then you not on. I'm like, what the fuck? But that shit is nerve wracking, bro. Because I was talking to somebody, I was talking to somebody the other day, and I was just like, man, I felt like I was like on the brink of. Fucking making it. Like making it, making it. Like I sent you that vice article. I pulled that vice article. They quoted me in this vice article. You know what I'm saying? I'm doing San Francisco. I'm doing a San Francisco comedy competition with motherfucking headliners. Like everybody I was on that show with were headliners. I'm like, bro, I don't even get spots in my city. I'm just out here. I'm just out here, bro. I'm like, I don't know. A week of everything does not feel like it's working. Yeah. And then after that week is over, you get like a month of just like back that just bullshitted. But that's why. I feel like I was on the cusp, but now all of a sudden it just feels like bam, I'm back. I'm back to square one. Bro, but that's why. But that's why I think that's why I did disappear though. Because I just got so discouraged, bro. I felt like I was like, I'm on the door, and then I'm like, I'm not. We went to the NBC. I hit the NBC when they had to stand up for diversity. That's the moment Frank and French won, right? Yeah, she won. So like first year, I was camped out, bro. I camped out in Philadelphia. I went up there, met this homie. His name was Yazin. He was mad cool. He was the first one there. I was the second person that got there. So we camped out in Philadelphia all night. All night. Slept on the sidewalk, bro. Damn. Slept on the sidewalk. We went in there. So he was first. I went up second. And I got a callback. So I do like 30 people at a time. You do one minute. And then a callback, you would get two minutes. You do one minute? One minute. One joke. So I went up, I did, yeah. I did uh I did my pony joke. Got a call back. And then the chick behind me, her name was Janelle. And she was like, after I got the call back, so like you get the list, 30 of us went in time, and the list comes back, it's like four, four or five people on the list. And she was like, You're gonna win this. She was like, I just feel it. You're gonna win this competition. I did my two minutes and that was the end of it. You're gonna win this. You just never heard back. Never, and that was the end of it. And I went back to New York the next year, and I camped out again. I didn't get no call back. I didn't get no call back. And then the third time, I did the third time. Yeah, you did that NBC shit three times. Three times. The third time, I didn't have to do the first round. I got automatically passed on to the second round. Yeah, like I sent in the video. So all I had to do was go and do the callback. Still didn't get in. And nigga, you don't know how it feels. You might know how it feels. You talking about being in your trailer. But you don't know how it feels to just walk past niggas that's been camping out all night. And I just and I just walked up in there and did my sitting. I didn't hear nothing. But the same thing happened, I did an episode of Haunting, and I was a speaking role, and they were like, hey, if you know somebody wants to be an extra, you know, bring your friends. Bring your friends to be an extra. So I took my homeboy Sean. And he was like, Yeah, I'm gonna be an extra. So we go. So they like told me where to go. They're like, so I get to the onset. It was out in like Newport News somewhere. I get on set, I go in there, and Sean's with me the whole time. We go in the room, and then we get in there, and they were like, Oh, this room's just for talent. And I kicked him out. Kicked him out. And I was like, I was like, damn. Alright, bro. I'll see you all. Yeah, I've seen a little bit though. I'll catch up with you. Catch up with you, dog. I'll catch up. But like and I talk about shit like this, and like I've I think I was talking about this to some comics in the green room last week, the same week, that they were talking about, like, oh damn, we can't people can get nothing about Jamal. And I was just like, I was like, I be helping Jamal with his auditions. Like, we cool, you know what I'm saying? Like, oh, what have you done? I was talking, I was like, I've done a lottery commercial, I've done a TV show. I'm like, I've done shit, bro. I don't broadcast that shit, but that's why when you come up to me, like got you 11, man, nigga, suck my dick, bro. Leave me alone. But what what number you be going up? What number you be going up at the other shows? Like Capital Laugh and shit like that. You be going up like four and fifth, right? Anywhere between four and seven. Yeah, anywhere between like four and seven. I don't think Alex Quinn know you though. They do. She do now. She knows now. Yeah, she knows now. Yeah, but I like she like 22. But I I know enough people when I'm there that people are like, oh, he's not new. Oh. Because motherfuckers don't see me like, oh shit, yo, what's up? Where you been? What you been doing? Jack Goleman. Chillin'. Jack cool. I fuck with Jack. Me and Jack had a riff years ago. He calm down. We had a riff years ago. And it's when we were doing the Pass the Mic show at the loft. And it just, it wasn't, it was not a bunch of communication on either end. But I was I was ready to fight that man at motherfucking Arlington Draft House one night. If motherfuckers don't see me pop off, because I don't. Like I'm not someone that just pop off. But I was about to pop off on him. I was about to pop off on him. But at that time I realized I don't fuck with a lot of people too, though, bro. So I was like, y'all see me. You know how I am. You see that I'm upset about something. So clearly something had to piss me off. You know? But that's kind of when I realized who I fuck with and who I don't fuck with. Yeah, I feel like I feel like you got like I feel like you fuck with like three, maybe four people. Yeah, like like legit like fuck with. Yes. Yeah, I got acquaintances. I got yeah, like people I can talk to in like the green rooms or whatnot, and there's people I'm just like I just find annoying. Yeah. And I just leave them alone. Or they, you know what I mean? I keep my words short. And there's people I can fuck with. Yeah, and I got people I I got people like I'm like you, I got people I'm cool with that I can talk to and stuff, but like fuck with, fuck with. That's ah Yeah, I don't really hang out with no one that's the comedy except like you. Yeah. And like dumb. Yeah, and I don't want to start like naming names, being like, oh, this person, this person, this person, this person, but it's like it's like five of y'all. And that's fine. That's fine. It's co it's it's co-workers at the end of the day. I'll be good in my house by myself. Yeah. I have no worries about how I'll be baking shit, I'll be cooking shit. No, you know what? I'd just be in my house. I think that's how we started hanging out though. Honestly, I think I think it was at a hotbed, and then we would start drinking together after the shows. I'd be like, Yeah, you want to drink? You buying. You you buying, I'll take one. If you buying, and I think that's how we started kind of like rapping and shit like that. But yeah, you buying, I'll take one. Yeah, I ain't got nothing. So I think I think that's how so I'm not in the shade anymore once I lean back. Just so you know. Good, man, good. Get some of this sun. But you've been good for like the last 15 minutes. But yeah, it's interesting. I've enjoyed being like, all right, I was talking to Omar about this last night. He was like, oh, so you back? And I was like, man, I'm kind of over it already. I was like, I'm it's not because I'm over it, but it's like I be over it, then I go on stage and I get my shot of dopamine, and I'd be like, yo, I'm good. It feels good. But it's just everything else. Comedy feels good, the process sucks. Yeah. The grind sucks. Yeah, like once I go up and do like do my time, I'm like, oh, this is what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm I'm like, especially when I go up and I do better than people that have gone up before me, I'm like, oh yeah. I'm like, you got it, you can do this. But it's just everything leading up to that point of like, I don't want to be here. I like going better than the headliners. That's my thing. Yeah. When I first started this game, and I and people were like telling me like the rules and shit like that. But see, that's the other thing. We'll get into better than the headliners. They don't like that. When you booked on a comedy club and you're featuring, I just just do okay, good enough. Just don't, you know what I'm saying? They'll they'll always tell you don't moving this shit over more. That's the thing though. That's the thing though, it's so many arbitrary rules. They'll tell you this, but I'm like, in my head, I'm gonna get there. I'm just gonna do my shit. I'm gonna do my shit. I'm gonna do my jokes, I'm gonna do my performance, right? I'm gonna try to murder. Yeah. It's not for the headliner. I'm murdering for the club. I want the club to see me and be like, alright, cool. He can keep featuring, he can keep doing whatever for this show, this show, this show. I don't care about the headliner, right? If I hurt your feelings, I hurt your feelings, and then you mad at me, you mad at me. Just you know what I'm saying? Go back to your town and toss it up that way. But I'm just like, I'm here for the club. You know, I'm here for you. You know who I like? Who I fuck with? Now I don't even know. I didn't know him before like last week. Uh Joe Yuke. Joe Uke, cool as shit. Joe Uke is cool. I like, I like Joe. Like, he's a cool that's a that's a cool gay brother. Yeah, he's cool, like he's cool to just like chop it up with, and I'm like, all right, I'll like like because we were talking last night after my set, and he's like, oh, I like your NFL material. And I was like, not because he told me that, but I was just like, I fuck with you. Like, you just cool to talk to. Yeah. People who are cool. The local comics are cooler than the headliners, I'll tell you that, but I like DC. Local comics. DC comics. DC is a great scene. Get it. Yeah. You ever go to see the locals at other states? Like if I'm closing out in other states, or I'm headlining other states, and then like, hey, who you want to feature? I'm gonna just get whoever locals, right? I'm gonna get the locals a feature. I don't give a fuck. I don't know. But that's the who you select. Them niggas be weird. But that's the catch 22 of DC comedy, bro. There are a lot of very, very, very strong comics in DC that no one knows about outside of DC because the shows are so good in DC that you don't do any other shows. Yeah. I remember I went to spoiled and you get spoiled and rotten in this town. Yeah. Because the mics be having like 70 people in it. The mics will have 30 com r regular audience members in there. Just like non-comics, like 30 regular audience members be at the mics. And laughing. And laughing. And there's and we're so spoiled when we go to a mic that don't have audience members in there, we mad. And the thing is, like, man, fuck this show trash. And the thing is, like, DC, they're labeled as mics, but they aren't really mics. Nah, they're like showcases. They're more so showcases. Because I don't know, I don't really know any show up and go up mics in DC. It's some. And that could be. They track, they they gonna be two way, like, it's one at this gay bar called Dicks gay bar. And then it's motherfucker, I'm telling you, it's you in a regular spot, it's motherfuckers walking in front of you. Okay, you in front of the bathroom, and then this motherfucker walking in front of you, go to the bathroom, you know what I'm saying? Gay party at seven, and then it's gonna be like two gay dudes in front of you, and that's it. That's the only audience members gonna be. Just two, one little gay couple in front of you, that's it. Bro, and I did You gotta tell your jokes. I did a festival. I wanna I ain't gonna say the festival, but I will say it's in Wilmington, North Carolina, so you can connect the dots to what that is. I did the festival, and the first show I did at that festival was at the comedy club, and that show was fun. It was like a late. Nah nah, in uh Wilmington. Wilmington, not Greensboro. Greensboro where I came up, not in comedy, just in in life. I went to school at Greensboro. So I did the first show at the comedy club there, and that shit was dope. The second show I did was at a bar or brewery somewhere. And I was like, why the fuck am I here? I was like, why am I here on a on a festival? Doing a show that's not even as good as a show. Nothing hurts more in this game than doing a shitty festival. Do you understand the comedy of the of a f a festival? And this was a good festival though. This is well, I don't even think it exists anymore, but at the time it was a well-known festival. A festival, for those who don't know, comics paid $20 to $45 to apply to the festival. To have a chance. To have a chance to get into the festival. It doesn't guarantee you anything. You send your you send your $45, you send your video, right? Then you have to pay for your flight and hotel for said festival for three to four days. Oh, nigga. So you already spend up to $400, maybe to $500, depending on where the fuck you're flying to. You fly into LA is more money. If you fly into Kansas City, it's less money. Depending on where you're flying to, you're spending up to $300 or $400 to go to said festival. In the festival flyers, they promise you two spots. 10 minutes, 20 minutes. Either or you get there and you're hoping that your $45 to $25 that you paid, they're at least going to market anything. Market something for audience members to show up. That's all you hope is to show up, do a good show, and network. That's it. You lost money. Festivals, you're going to lose money. Comics lose money going to these bullshits. And all you hope is to network with people. Like you go to Kansas City, you hope to network of club owners, but hey, I'm this person. I'll come out for your net your Kansas City. I met you, you, you, you, you, you. Do it a Kansas City shows in the future. But sometimes they're good. I went to the Rogue Island Comedy Festival in Newport. Rogue. Rogue Island. Rogue Island. Yeah, in Newport, Rhode Island. Great festival. These motherfuckers had a stadium, not say a theater, 500 people. Packed. They flyed, they fucking promoted, they did everything they could, and they got those shows pumping for everybody who, every comic was there. It felt like my $25, $35 was worth applying for. I went to a festival in Memphis, Tennessee. Who was called the Memphis Urban Comedy Festival. Yes, it was put on by us blacks. I was trying not to say the festivals that didn't. It was the trashiest festival I've ever done. Me and Jay. I remember. Rest in peace, Jay Agbon. We went to that motherfucker. I remember. We spent $20, $30 to apply. $200 for a hotel, $200 for a fucking flight. Went out there. It wasn't even in Memphis, downtown Memphis. It was in outskirts of Memphis at a comedy club that she owns called the Comedy Joint. She did no promotion. The only audience members in there was us comics. You know I knew this shit was bad because Jay Agmon wasn't a mad guy. He wasn't angry. He was pissed off. He brought his girlfriend who drove in and she lived in Nashville at the time. She drove in. You good. All right. She drove in from Nashville to do this show. She was the only audience members in two of those motherfucking shows. You understand? When we walked in, me and Jay walked in at the same time. They were like, hey man, it's a two-item minimum. For the comics. And that's what Jay said. Jay said was like, yo, we the comics, though. It's like, yeah. We just sell enough tickets. So it's a two-item minimum for everybody. Nah, cause. For us? I spent $25 to apply, $200 for a fucking hotel, $200 for a flight. Fuck your two item minimum. Now I gotta buy two drinks. I waited outside. I mean, I waited outside for my spot. And it was zero audience members. I was so mad I didn't even explore Memphis. I sat in my hotel for four days, for three days straight, mad about that shit. That's how something similar happened. Shitty comedy festival. Something happened similar when I was in San Francisco. And it wasn't because it wasn't because the festival bad. The festival is good. But the festival is it's marketed as the San Francisco Comedy Competition. And it can go for three weeks. I got bumped after round one. One week of shows. But it's not San Francisco. It is a Bay Area comedy festival. So if you do that festival, you need to find hotels. You also need a rental car or to connect with someone that has a car because it was like night one was in San Francisco. Night two was in Oakland. That's cool. That's like 20 minutes away. Night three was out in Grass Valley. Middle of nowhere, California. And granted, it was a theater with 500 people in that shit, but you had to drive three and a half hours to get there. Night four was in San Rafael, which was like another two hours from Grass Valley. And then night five was in, I think it was San Martin. I think I don't know because like once I knew that I wasn't gonna make it through that, I was just like, hey, I'm just gonna chill in San Francisco. So I had to find hotels in all those spots. And the first night I got to San Francisco, I was trying to book the hopest hot uh the cheapest hotel that I could find. This shit was like a hostel, bro. This shit, I mean, we in San Francisco, they ain't have no air conditioning, they ain't have nothing. And then the same chick that used to help me fly her, she came out to the festival with me. So she was like, Oh, I got a friend. So like the next night, like we had stayed at like one of her friends' house. She came up to the festival with you? She came to the festival with me. Damn, bro. That sounds like a down chick, man. Yes. That sounded like a she flyer. She came out of the she sounded like she was very supportive of your comedy dreams. So she came with me. She was a great woman, dog. So she, I'm in a better, I'm in a much better place. We'll say that. I adventure that, but because it seemed to be a good reason you let this woman go. I'm in a much better place. But I did that festival, bro, and it was just like, and I'm a San Francisco 49er fan, bro. And like towards the end of that festival, nigga, I'm just like, man, I'm just gonna chill in this hotel room. It's like 10. And the thing is, like being on the West Coast, like it was during NFL season, like games and shit were on, but it's like it's 10 o'clock in the morning. I'm like, bro, this shit just feels weird. But yeah, we had to travel across the entire Bay Area through Sacramento. That and I don't know much about Sacramento, but I know driving through there, that shit looked miserable, bro. It was like a ghost town, it just looks like a desert, bro. It just looks like it's a constant drought. Like, like they hadn't had rain in 10 years. Like that, it was just I was just like, damn, people be out here like fucking with this spot like this. It just seemed miserable. Yeah. So I did I did San Francisco, San Francisco Comedy Competition, Cape Fear. That's the one I was talking about earlier, since you name it, festivals. I did uh Oak City. You can leave me as a bad guy. Yeah, Oak City was cool. I did Pittsburgh. I did Pittsburgh Comedy Festival, and Pittsburgh Comedy Festival was dope because I got to open for Todd Berry. Oh, okay. But they booked people for 15-minute spots based on a five-minute tape. Yeah, and that five minutes was glorious. The five minutes was great. You see motherfuckers get to that seven, eight-minute mark and start looking at their notes. That shit went downhill fast. Downhill so quick. And my homeboy, and my homeboy at the time, and I think we still homeboys, we still talk or whatever. Keith Marcel, I forgot who he was opening for, but she was a headliner of the festival. And like they didn't even have Todd Berry marketed as a headliner. Like, Todd Barry wasn't even marketed as a headliner of the show. Um, but he was like, damn, you got a better show than I did. Like I did his show, and like it was maybe like 30 or 40 people in there. And Todd Barry's show's packed out. And everybody was like, oh, Todd Barry's a dick. You ain't gonna like him, you're not gonna like him. I rapped, I chopped it up with him, talked to him, had a good time, had a good set, talked to him after that. Good dude. Yeah, good dude. I I never met him. Yeah. But a part of that is I'm a I'm a real comic, bro. I'm not a fanboy. True. Like, I am not, I'm not a fanboy. We both here doing the same fucking shit. Same thing. Just more spot, bro. Yeah. More people know about you than know about me, but I can hold my own in any room I go into. And there's no doubt about that. And I will still go up 13 on a bullshit show and do better than you did at number three. True. So, but yeah. I love doing better than him. I was at the Rogue Island Comedy Festival, bro. Oh, yeah. You text me. I did, yeah, I done better than a fucking hairline. He walked like two tables. Yeah, you text me. You were like, Yeah, I love doing this shit. I love doing this shit. Cause I w he walked like two tables. I love coming, he at his merch table, and then motherfuckers come to me, and like, yeah, man, you the best on you the best of the night. Oh bro. I'm like, yeah, thank you. That's the best. When you outside a club and somebody come up to you, like, yo, great set, and you still say you right next to the hairliner and shit. And you next to say that a little louder. Yeah, I mean, like, say that a little louder, bro. And you next to anybody that went on, though, you be like, and that shit, and if it's not you, they saying good set too, that shit hurt your soul, bro. When you on the other end of that shit, that shit hurt. That shit hurt your soul, bro. They go to man, I loved you. You were the best. And you standing right next to that comic. They look at you, they look at you. Have a good night. Or they say, Yeah, you were good too. You were good too. You were good as well. Yeah, I loved you all. But no, you didn't, dog. You didn't like me, man. Get the fuck out of my face, bro. Get out of my face. That's yeah. I remember one time it was me. I did a show with uh Justo, and he was headlining. And this lady was coming to me, and she was talking to me, but she was talking to me like I was just though. It was a racist moment. You know what I mean? And she was talking to me like if I was just though, because she was bringing up bitch. I'm like, that's not me. That was the other black comic. She's like, man, you was talking about weed, and I was, man, it's so relatable, you know. And I had this dog who was to sell me weed. He was my drug dealer. And I'm looking at her and I'm saying, I'm not gonna stop her. But in my head, I'm like, yo, I don't talk, I don't say nothing. I don't even smoke weed. I don't talk about weed at all on stage. I'm like, you got the wrong dude. But she was like, yeah, man, you the best of the night, man. I fucking, I fucking loved you. But in my mind, I already know. She's not talking, she talked about it. Talking about this other nigga, Tom. You're not talking about me. You're talking about this other nigga. Yeah, that happened. You're talking about just other nigga, bro. Because it's not me. I didn't tell him about weed. That didn't happen at Tonic last night, but um when I got there, Omar was sitting there and I was like, I didn't I didn't realize it was him and then I also Omar, what up? And he's like, Oh shit, I didn't know you were here. He's like, that makes sense though. Because he's like, when I came in, the dude working the door was like, uh, TJ? I was like, you saw a nigga with a hat on. You saw a nigga with a hat on and thought it was me. Or thought it was, yeah. Yeah, the comedy game is wild. I did go back to Just Town. Like, this lady did say uh you were the best of the night, so but she told that to me. But she explained, but she explained that to me that you were the best of the night. Why shouldn't you tell that to me? She thought I was the shit. She thought, yeah. She thought I was you. But you got a fan out there, dog. You got a fan. Comedy is funny, dog. You know what I mean? Comedy is funny. No, I don't know. I feel like crowds don't mean to be like racist or whatnot, but it is what it is. I take on the admiration, but you know. Hey, listen. It was like a drunk white dude from like Mississippi. Yes, he was in town for Memorial Weekend for whatever reason. And he was just, nigga, he was just telling me stories. He was like, yeah, this one time, he was just telling me college story after college story. And his college buddies came up and he's like, yeah, man, you were great. And they started joining stories. It was like 30 to 45 minutes of them just talking to me about stories. I I don't give a fuck about, I don't know you people. But they were just telling me stories. Not even stuff like, hey, that one bit that you said, I relate to it because of this. They were just telling me random stories. Just talking. Just talking. Until their mom came up. I didn't even know they bring their mom. Their mom came up. I was like, hey, baby, we gotta go. I'm gonna get real tired. She said, all right, my mom's here, I'm gonna get out of here. But these motherfuckers, like 25 years old. I was like, all right, thanks for having have a good night. I don't like getting trapped in those situations. That's why I leave so fast. Because I don't want to get trapped. And motherfuckers telling me like you should do this bit. Oh, this is how you're supposed to do it. So that's why I be leaving so fast, and then comics don't get a chance to talk to me, even though I don't want to talk to them. They don't get a chance to talk to me. I'll be out. Yeah, you be ready to go. It's like I did. Once I finish my set, I'm ready to go home. I'm done with this. I did my time. I'm ready to go. I don't want to hang out, I don't want to congregate. I'm not inviting everybody to my parties. Like, I'll invite the four people we mentioned earlier. Like that's that's it. I don't even do parties. These bombtails got me. These bombtails got me fucked up. I mean do parties, but the only time you see my apartment is when you help me move. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Don't come back. Nah. It'd be my space, man. Yeah. I don't be thinking about, hey man, I should invite somebody over for beers. I'm like, nah, I I buy beers. I'll have it for myself. I watch TV and I go to sleep. And we'll see how things like. I know I'm gonna have to take some time off when this kid drops. Uh, which will be soon, but I I think I'm I think I'm gonna be back in the streets though. For the kid? Yeah. Nah, I'm not scared, but I think it's part of the reason. Scale of one and ten. How how good of a dad you think he's gonna be? I'm gonna be a ten. Ten? Yeah. I don't think anybody has a ten dad, though. No, I mean, I mean, in my mind, I'm gonna be a ten, though. Yeah, because like my dad's great. You think he's a ten though? I think he's probably my dad's like a six. No, I think my dad's like an eight. And I think I think the only reason he's not a ten is just because he doesn't know how he doesn't know how to relate to me on certain shit. And I think, yeah, I think probably alright, okay, so I said ten, so I think in my mind I'll be a ten, but I think in reality I'll probably be like a seven or an eight. That's all he's gonna ask me. Yeah. That's a dad. Yeah, just because dads don't know how to relate. Like my dad's not into the same shit that I'm into. True. Like either. He don't fuck with sports, like he don't really the comedy stuff, he's always been supportive and stuff like that. The the one thing I was doing that my dad used to fucking love when I was doing the Owen Hodges bits. The Owen Hodges bits. The Owen Hodge when I was playing the black. When you got kicked off Instagram and shit like that. But even before, when I like back, I think it was like 2020 when I was doing like the Owen Hodge uh like just talking head videos, acting like I was a black conservative. He loved that shit. See, that's a sense of humor right there. Yeah, he loved that. Uh no, I'm not a black conservative. No, you're dad. Oh no, no, no, no. He's not. But he's from the country. You know, he you know, he's from the country. So he got his sensibilities about him, but he's not about to vote for the orange man. You know what I'm saying? Um, so he used to love that shit. So I think in reality, I'll probably be a I think I'll be a seven and a half, an eight. Um discipline? Yeah, I'm gonna discipline, but I'm just gonna go on ground, because black people don't ground. I'm not gonna ground, but the thing is, here's what I want to do. A lot of like you see motherfuckers talking to kids like, ooh, you need to you need to do that. I'm not nigga, I'm gonna talk to you like you a regular fucking person. You talk to the kid like a grown-ass man? Like you're gonna be a good one. Not like a grown-ass man. Nah, not like not to that extent, but I feel like if you if you talk to them like they're an adult when they're young, then they understand how shit works. So it's just like, so it's like if you want to have a tantrum, nigga, have the tantrum. Go ahead, cry, cry your lungs out. You'll be alright. Like, I'm not sitting there by the change when you high end, wash them. Yeah, I'm not gonna engage with you while you like this. And I think from that he'll learn to like, oh. Okay. Yeah. So that's that's how I envision myself being a dad. Um, I don't know, bro. It's gonna be a learning curve. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. Tomorrow. I've I've walked in here, man. I've seen you got the bottle warmers, the bottle. You got everything. And sanitizers. Yeah, you got the new room with the new couch. And that's more so the Mario than me. You got everything locked down. I see like you're ready. Well, that's the Mario. That's that's her doing. Come on, man. Yeah, it takes two to tango. It takes two to tango. Keep yourself short, man. You are the dad, dog. But the shit is not important. But the shit is it's weird though, because it's just like she's carrying the baby right now. Yeah, yeah. Like she's carrying the baby, so she's like she got the connection, like, and like I know that the baby's coming, and I think because it's getting so close, it feels like it's coming. But I think part of it, I think part of me subconsciously wanting to get back in the stand-up. You got stand-up? Wanting to start a entrepreneurial hot dog? Wanting to start a business. It's just like, I don't want my kid to see me go to a job I fucking hate every day, bro. Like, I don't want him to be like, oh, my dad woke up and went to the shit that he didn't like. And it's just like, there's there's so much opportunity out here, but you just said how many kids like my dad barely even had a job. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like my dad had jobs I knew he didn't like, but then like a portion of my life, none niggas even have a job. Yeah. So I didn't see him go anywhere. You know what I mean? Like this this disability, all that shit. That's that's what I was seeing. Yeah. Right? And I I made it my mission to be like, I don't want to be like that motherfucker. Right. He was fine, he was there in my life. He couldn't have been a black dad and been gone. Yeah. But he was there, right? He he did his job, he went to the meat factory, even though he didn't want to go to the meat factory. You know what I mean? He had a bullshit job, then you know, so he had health problems and then he no longer could work. Yeah. So that's what I saw, right? He was always there. But in my head, as a kid, I'm like, I don't want to be like this motherfucker. And that's and that's what I'm saying, bro. So I just made sure I'm gonna try to do better than this nigga. And I want my kid to want to be like me. I want him to be like not be like me, but I want him to be like, yo, my dad did shit that he liked. You want to be the hero. And he did not even not even a hero. Not even a hero. I just want him to know that what he wants to do is possible. Because I feel like coming up. You ain't want to be no hot dog man. I didn't want to be able to be an actor. Yeah, but I also, but part of that, like it's all under the same scope, though. It's all a creative outlet. And it's all and it's also all being your own man. So it's not about like waiting around because like I'm applying for all these jobs, and I'm like, I don't give a fuck whether I I want a job because I need money. True. You know what I'm saying? You apply for a job. Yeah, but and and I don't want that. Like, I want him to see me doing something. It's like, oh, my dad's making money doing something that he does not mind doing. And even with the hot dog card, like I got a vision. Like, yeah, I'm making hot dog cards but like, yo, it's a vibe. I got a dope playlist playing. Like I got a good, I got a good product. Like, I've got social media engagement. I got motherfuckers watching my shit. So it's like a whole vision behind all of this. And even with comedy, it's like it all comes from like a creative scope, you know what I'm saying? So it's all a creative aspect within a different way. Because my mom was like, yo, you should go to culinary school. You've already liked to cook. And I was like, for what? It was like I know how to cook. You don't want to go to that school. Yeah. She was like, it's not too late, you can go do it. And I'm just like, or I could also just like start my own shit. But it's just like, I think that's part of the reason why I want to do that. And like why I want to do in comedy, because I don't want to see my kid waking up and doing some shit that he hates every day. And like from that aspect, my dad, he started his own company. I think he was 40. Same age I am now. He started his own company at 40. So what does he do? What does he do? Concrete. He's a concrete contractor, but he's also a farmer. The nigga's a nigga's an everyman. So like he works concrete as a job, but he doesn't do as much these days because he's getting older and he's just like, man, I just do stuff here and there. He's just a nigga that likes to work. But you know, like I'm saying, like, he leveled off where our house sits right now. Like, he leveled all that shit, sitting on 27 acres. I'm like, this is a dude with a you had a different life than me, playing. Yeah, he's a diff, like, but he's like a dude with a college education that started a company with $3,000 and a pick and a shovel that makes hundreds of thousands a year. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like the shit, the shit is possible, but like sometimes you get in this mindset of like, well, I could never do that. And it's just like, well, people have done that. You know what I'm saying? So I want my kid to see me doing some shit that I enjoy doing. So yeah, maybe I didn't want to be a hot dog man, but I still want to be my own man. But it's just like, if I can make a whole lot of money serving hot dogs and like having something that's different, then why the fuck not? As opposed to going to a job that I don't like every day for a motherfucker that decided to take a chance when I didn't decide to take a chance. So and I saw that quote, it was like, it was like either you take a risk or you work for somebody that didn't take a risk. Yeah, don't cry, nigga. In the hot in the in the height myself. I wish you was my dad. In the height myself, the hot dogs are fucking fire, bro. The hot dogs are fucking good. Because I listen, here's one thing. There's nothing better than a good hot dog. There's nothing worse than a bad hot dog. I've never had a bad hot dog. You've had a bad hot dog, bro. I had a plain hot dog where it was like no sizzle. Like, the only bad hot dog I'll have is a boiled hot dog. Like, like, like, like struggle meal hot dogs. But like you go boiled ketchup and motherfuckers. Yeah, but if you go to a spot and you get a hot dog, you'd be like, oh fuck, I could have made this at home. But like it's never like. I say that to a lot of places I go to where I'm like, I can make this at home. Yeah. It's never like a bad, like, I'm a man, this is disgusting. Yeah. Because it'd be a hot dog. But you ate my shit. You ate my shit and immediately like, okay, you know what you're doing. Yeah, I'm saying, it was it had flavor. Yeah, you were like, okay, you know. Or it's just like, it's a hot dog. Yeah, and just you know what I mean? Like, I you don't want to buy a hot dog and be like, man, it's a hot dog. And just so the world knows, he asked for one to go. He was like, I didn't eat one of these. He didn't ask for one to go, but he he had a supply. See his business mind already fucked up. He don't got hot dogs in the back. He was like, he ain't prepared for niggas to love his shit. He was like, I need he was like, I need one of these to go. And I was like, oh shit, I done made it. Yeah, it's niggas saying he don't have hot dogs left. That's what I want though, like the supply, supply and demand, but it's just like, oh, I'm running out every day. Yeah, membership, man. I got one. You got one? Yeah. So what you ate, what you ate was a Hebrew national, but like, I'm gonna get the Kirklands. Because the Kirkland's beef hot dogs, the shits that they serve, like, them shit's good. I bet you're gonna make your own hot dogs. You're gonna, I swear, I'm telling you, four months in, I'm gonna see this nigga with his own little casing machine and a own little meat grinder. I'm like, this nigga making his own fucking hot dog. But that's that's the goal. And I got a vision. Motherfuckers think I just hop on shit willy-nilly, and I do have a lot of interest. But the thing is, I would rather be a nigga with a lot of interest be a man. I would rather be, yes, I would rather be a man with a lot of interests that tries things and fail than to just be content where I'm at. True. Because something, something gonna pop. And yeah, I will hop. I was like, oh, I'm a comedy, oh, I'm DJ, oh, I'm an actor. And the thing is, like, that's the reason I put so much focus into comedy when you knew me and when you met me, was because like I need to focus on something. Yes, I was like, I'm not going. I was like, alright. I was like, I know I can act. Like, I know I've done done shit. Like, all right, I I can do that. I was like, let me focus on comedy and let me try to get this popping. So then when I focused on comedy and try to get it popping, I had some heat. I say 2017 to 2020 before the pandemic. Like I feel like a nigga could have made it or blowed or did something at any minute. The pandemic changed shit. And then I started, I was like, oh, you know what? Alright, I focused on this. I focused on this. Let me explore some of these other interests that I have. Um, it's been hit or miss. But with this, this is something I've been talking about since I was probably 25. I've been talking about since like, hey, I think I want to start a hot dog cart. Because I've always, I've always loved the glizzy, as the kids would say. So I like like and I like it, and like, and I've I've I know the places I've gone and I've had a hot dog, and I've been like, oh, this shit crack. And I also know the place I can like, ugh, this shit crack, but I'm just like, I know how to make a good dog. And I know how to make a relish, and I know how to make a chili, and there's no premiere spot in this area. There's no premiere like there's catalyst hot dogs, which is in Maryland, which is great. I like Catalyst, but I can be better than Catalyst. You think you can beat them? Oh yeah, I think I can beat them. And that's no, that's no disrespect, that's no shade. That's just if you're not thinking about that. But if you're not thinking like that, what the fuck are you doing? That's your competition, man. Say the whole chest. I can beat them. I can beat them. But if but if you don't know your voice sounded like mine, I really don't feel that. I can beat them. But if you don't, if you are, if you aren't thinking like that, then what are you doing? Because we hype. I was talking to Chris about this the other day. I was like, because Chris was hyping me up, he was like, bro, this shit gonna take off, bro. I feel it. Like I feel it, it's good. And then like everything. He'd be happy, but this, but you need people like that. But a lot of people like that, and I'm like myself included, I will hype up somebody else, and when it comes to my own shit, I'm like, Well maybe, well, maybe I can. It's just like, because he was like, I'm like, I'm kind of a jack of all trades, but it's just like I don't really do anything that I'm not good at. Okay, you know what I'm saying? So while I may not be a master, I'm still better or just as good as the master. So while I'm still doing just like I can take two years off from comedy, come back, and still be just as good as when I left. Man, comedy doesn't change. Comedy doesn't change. You see some new faces, you see some but like I can still do it. Like as long as you got jokes, it doesn't change. Yeah, it took me, and I would say I will say it took me like two and a half weeks to kind of get back in a groove. And the thing is, like, even as a comic, like I evolved from the time when I started comedy to when I was doing comedy, and I feel like somewhere in that evolution, I kind of lost the passion of when I first started comedy. So now I'm trying to combine that. I'm trying to combine how I felt when I first started doing comedy into what I learned while doing comedy to be a better comic. Because when I was when I first started, I was much higher energy than I was at certain points. And I was like, damn, when did I lose that energy? Like when did that slip? You know what I'm saying? So now I got that energy, but I don't have the same physique. So sometimes I'll be like doing that energy on stage now, and I'm like, damn, I'm out of breath. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I'm out of breath. Like I was doing a joke the other day, I was like, Governor. I was like, I ran out of breath. So it's just uh I don't have that answer. I don't know, but it's just like like you gotta, you gotta find something or whatever that is for you, but you gotta constantly be evolving in everything. I only got one thing, bro. No, you got some, but you've also evolved. You're a better comic now than when I met you. And I talked to someone the other day because he hit me up for some financial. He's like, he's a financial advisor. He was like, Look, I ain't got nothing to I don't have anything, anything to advise right now. And he was like, I've talked to a lot of people I used to work with, and he's like, and I'm just surprised by how many people are just in the exact same spot as when I left. And he's been gone 10 years, and I'm like, yeah. So it's just like you ain't gotta, you gotta progress in something. So if you're not progressing in your career, you're not progressing in your family life, progress in something, bro. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That's true. I mean, I only progress in comedy, but still, but you progressing in something. And it's just not like I got. And I won't say I'm not progressing in family. I mean, I won't say I'm not progressing. I'm progressing in family. I was gonna say, I won't say that I'm not progressing in comedy because I am, because I feel like I'm just as good as every motherfucker out here. If I'm being if I'm being if I'm being completely if I'm being completely real, on the scene, on the scene, I don't look at anybody on the current scene that I'm on and be like, I can't do what they're doing. That's true. And I mean, and that's just I'm not, and that's not a slight to anybody. That's not me saying, like, oh, this person hasn't worked. The only reason motherfuckers are ahead of me is because they worked much harder than me. True. And I'll be 100% honest. I don't always work hard because I'm talented. I'm not I'm just being, I'm just keeping it. I'm keeping it. I don't need this as much as y'all do. Jamal. I got shit to do. No, I'm just I'm just being 100% transparent. Damn. I'm just being 100% transparent. Man. Huh? You sound like me, man. You sounding cocky now. I'm not sounding cocky, I'm just cocky now, man. I am just I am just telling the truth. I'm just being I'm just being transparent. That's always been the real TJ. And you ask Winston, ask Winston Hodges. Ask Winston Hodges about the motherfucking Charlottesville TJ that he met. And that's when I when I made the Instagram post talking about that shit, how I'm just gonna come back as a cocky asshole. He commented and was like, they ain't ready for that. It'll always been that way, but nah, I humbled myself. Oh, thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Now I'm like, man, fuck you. I used to respond to every motherfucking booked email with thank you. I'll give you a thumbs up now. I'll give you a motherfucking thumbs up. Yeah. I don't respond unless it's like in my favor. If it's like an email of them like, hey man, uh, we can't get you on tonight, we're gonna put you on the wait list, we're gonna put you on this or whatever. If it's not in my favor, like you're not booking me. Yeah. I just don't respond. Because what am I supposed to say to that? No. What am I supposed to say to hey man, we're not gonna, unfortunately, we're not gonna uh put you on a spot in this festival. Like, what am I supposed to say? I'm gonna say thank you for the opportunity. No, fuck yourself. And that's why that's why I was talking about limestone, bro. I got wait listed at limestone two years fucking straight. And you know how debilitating that shit is? Because limestone, uh, what I know of it, it's a premier festival. I've had people do it to be like, it's it's whatever. But in my mind, I'm like, I get on limestone, I'm about to fucking be in it. I'm about to fucking make so two years, and like I put the video as unlisted. You just see the views going up. You see the views going up. I'm like, oh yeah, they're watching my shit. They watching my shit. Only boy. Only to get the email of like, we had a great selection pool this year. Unfortunately, you didn't make it, but we wanted you to know you've been waitlisted, so if anyone can't make it, I'm like, we fucking serious, two years straight. So yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna be cocky, bro. I ain't gonna I ain't gonna apologize for that shit no more, man. You know what it's like when I got waitlisted for the Kevin Hart funny AF? Yeah. Waitlisted, and then you watch the episode, the Chicago episode, and niggas are fucking bombing on stage? Niggas and I'm I'm like, I'm waitlisted and I gotta watch this shit. I gotta watch this. I went through the whole interview process and all that shit. And you gotta watch these niggas bomb. Yeah. And you did that shit knowing that you had a chance. And I texted you, I texted you being like, yo, you should have been on this shit. I'm not I could have been on that. I could have been in. You should have been on that shit. But I gotta watch this shit. That's why I turned it off. I'm I'm just gonna support my homie Winston, watch it. And some people, and that's the only reason I watched. I watched Support Winston, and then supporting Winston, I'm watching it being like, I've done shows with two-thirds of these motherfuckers on here. I've done shows, I've done shows with so many people, and I haven't done shows to the extent that I've done shows with Winston, and people think that I just know Winston from fucking DC. Now I know Winston from Richmond, Charlottesville. I booked Winston on his first fucking showcase show at the Bone Yard in Charlottesville. So, like, I've known him like throughout this process, and it's my boy, and it's just like if I want to see someone succeed, it's Winston because I know how hard he's worked. But I've worked with the majority of people that have been on that show. And uh, yeah, bro, you gotta start. You gotta stop apologizing for shit, bro. Yeah, I'm cocky. Yeah, nothing to do about it. Yeah. I mean, like, it's nothing I can do about it. Yeah. Now when I see people, I don't care about the comments who goes before me. I don't care about the comments who goes after me. Like, I just go, I do my set, and I get the fuck out of it. But you know what you do, Jamal? You sell yourself short too, because you always be like, yeah, I'm about to go over here and bomb. And I'm like, nigga, I have never. But I've like, I'm like, I've never seen you bomb, bro. Even like, even if you don't, even if you don't have a set that's up to the standard that I know you are, I've never seen you bomb. That's my ritual though. Yeah. That's just something I do to like, it's just what I it helps me. I've never, and I'm the opposite. I'm about to crush it. I'm like, man, all right, here we go. Nah, nah, nigga. I'm I'm about to crush every single time. Even last night, and I went up there and ate a dick on the late show, but I was still, the whole time going up, I was like, this motherfucker got me going nine. I'm about to go up here and crush that shit. And I went up there and I ate a fucking dick. And you know what? That's part of the game, but it's just like, you just gotta get out of that mentality of like, not you. I'm just saying people in general gotta get out of the mentality of like I can't do and start thinking that you can do. Because I was talking, I was also talking, we running, this is a mad-long episode. But I saw I was also talking to Chris the other day, and he was like, he saw somebody with a camera a while back, and he was like, Man, I could never afford nothing like this. Like, I couldn't afford a camera like this. Like they used to shoot sketches and shit. And the guy was like, bro, I can't afford this. He was like, Yeah, he was like, I'm still paying on this. He was like, I've been paying on this for so long. So it's just like you just you gotta do this shit. I'd be looking at man, I mean I've been looking at cameras, but I'm like, yo, this shit's three thousand dollars for a camera. And they're like, yeah, you can pay $100 a month, but I don't want to be paying $100 a month for three years. But just you just gotta I don't I'm like, I'm gonna settle on one of these fucking $700 cameras with one of these good ass lenses and just fucking do that way. Yeah, you just gotta think of it kicks off, but I'm like, I can't I can't invest in fucking $5,000. You just gotta think of the investment. And like even this, the camera that we're shooting on right now, I think it was like $700. Well, now it is. I think so Tamaria got this for me. Um and this was a very early birthday gift last year. And she got it because I had sold my other camera. I've been looking at this camera forever, and I sold my other camera, and she was like, I wanted to get it for you. And she's like, once you sold your other camera, I knew you were really gonna get it. So she surprised me with it. But I probably it probably would have taken me much longer to buy this camera for myself. You see, man, you you always find these good women. I do, and she's great. I'm having a kid with her. You find these, you be always finding these good women. I'm having a kid with her. Well, that's because you're buying your cameras. But I'm also a good dude, man. I'm also me. I am. I'm also a good dude. Like, I mean, I'm not I'm not a good dude. Like, I'm kind of scatterbrained, I'm kind of all over the place. I'm all kinda I'm always kind of jumping from one thing to the other thing, but one thing I do have is ambition, and when the shit sticks, it's gonna stick. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, yeah, I can be all over the place. I can do a lot of things, but like something is gonna stick. And when the shit sticks, then everybody that didn't fuck with me is gonna start fucking with me, and I'm gonna be like, okay, that's the only reason I want to get rich. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And I'm not one of if you didn't fuck with me when I was down and out. And not that I've not that I'm down and out, but just like if you didn't fuck with me at a level that like people that I fuck with fuck with me, then don't fuck with me when I get where I want to be. So we can probably end on that. That was a good end right there, boy. That was a good end. Alright, episode three. We out. This is a long one. Stick with us. Peace.