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discontent regarding the Tadej Del Toro union cringes, pro bike too inclusive? another local pervert segment with Jory Gomez formerly of Sklar Bikes, and listener mail including the long and short of bike nutrition, Canti brake optimization, are wide bars a fad? tubes or tubeless?  attractive cranksets.  

Jory's Band: Stone Fruit 

Ronnie's hip hop moment mentioned 55 minutes in: here 

Transcript

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Okay, everybody ready in the studio.

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Totally ready now.

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Reporting live from the beating heart.

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Activated and opinionated.

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It's alt right now.

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Alternative radio.

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Or alternative. Ronnie Romance.

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RFM.

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RFM? I'm taking something to do with the tour of town is coming up.

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Wait, yeah.

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I'm sorry, Avex Wift.

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No, you can leave that out if you want.

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The commentators don't, though.

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No. Yeah. They have to say it. They're legally obliged to say Avex Wift.

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Folks, we're here live from the studio at WKY Jelly outside our house in beautiful nutmeg country. And we are experiencing perhaps a little bit of rain, so we may have to go inside a little bit. But I've been really liking to do this podcast outside. We got a rare Nor'easter, summertime Nor'easter coming through tonight or perhaps right now.

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And you know he loves talking about the weather.

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As a white, I love talking about the weather. Yeah.

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I'm seeing with my eyes raindrops.

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And the door just slammed shut on the inside. Well, we've got a special guest here. We've got a presentation.

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Special friends are actual here.

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Yep.

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Jory, would you like to do the A-S-L age sex location?

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Age sex location. You can have to speak a little bit. Just coming around the bend of 40 years. Ooh. Wow, that is ancient. I I just had my height measured inside. Oh, that's good.

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So what what we I think we were at maybe 5'9? 5'9 and 3-8. Pretty good.

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So that's called that five times.

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Sex. Yes. Sex, yes.

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Sex ass.

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And where are you currently? Where are you? Where do you live currently?

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And I currently live in Bozeman, Montana.

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That's a long ways away from nutmeg country.

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What brings you here? In every aspect.

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Uh just a little time to spend with my friends.

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Going on a little family trip at the very end of the month, and thought I'd extend by a week and spend some time at the swimming hole, primarily. A little bit of biking here and there, some pizza.

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Watching the Tour de France with us.

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It has been exceptional having you around here, around these parts. Thanks. It's always a really, really nice for us to be able to sh show off where we live through a different lens. Kind of. And you've had pretty much perfect weather this entire time around. It's been like September weather, which is bizarre. There's not even any bugs in mid-July. None. None that I've done. None that we're aware of yet.

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We'll see.

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Yeah.

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Hopefully.

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Jory is staying in the van in the field, which has so much grass and potential for ticks, so I'm really surprised.

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It's well cropped.

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It's well cropped.

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It's well cropped. And a nice daily dip and scrub down.

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Yeah, it's nice to be able to every ride we get to go double D's and go take a take a dip. And we've had so much rain that the swim hole is uh nearly above my head at this point. Could even use another board. Yeah. You put another board in, it would be well over my head and I'd drown because I can't swim. I can. I can't. You never learn. But just barely. You flail, you float.

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Okay, so for the show today, we've got a little bit of the wrap-up of the Tour de France men's. We'll talk about the Femmes coming up quickly, and then this is mostly going to be responding to questions in our inbox. That's mostly gonna be it.

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A mailbag, a Fabio's chest of mail.

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Yeah, lots of mail. Mail time.

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So, you know, if you've sent we've had a lot of a lot of questions and comments sent in via our our Buzz Sprout, Buzz Sprout link page. So yeah, we've got a lot of those to get through, but we've selected a few. I'm sorry if we can't get all we can't get to all of the questions, but we've selected a few that I think everyone's gonna like.

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That were kind of the repeat ones. So yeah, we'll and Jory will be here because Jory's also a mechanic, extremely skilled at just about everything he does.

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Wonderful photographer, except pour over eyes, lucky voice syndrome, really.

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Yeah.

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Jory knows what's up.

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And it is actually raining now.

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The rain is playing.

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So we're gonna we're just gonna move inside.

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Uh-huh.

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Okay, now we are inside. So you may ch you may notice a slight change in the acoustics, but yeah, it just began coming down. Big raindrops. Big raindrops. So big summer raindrops. Slapping. So yeah, more water for the swim hole, I suppose. So where were we? We were talking about how we're gonna get straight into the I mean, the tour just ended this past weekend.

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Yesterday, day before.

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What yeah, what day is it? It's Tuesday today, so it ended on Sunday.

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Yeah.

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And uh a pretty, I mean, for how dominant the leader has been for the entire tour, I wanna, I you know, I held out, you know, Tade, of course, we all knew he was gonna win the tour. So it wasn't like a surprise. No surprise that that, you know, wasn't a total surprise. So, you know, I was uh I was constantly just looking for second place. I think most people were, and trying to uh just enjoy how dominant and such an amazing rider Tade is. It's just nice to see. I mean, I guess I'm mimicking all the commentators. It's just incredible to see somebody that good. Just an honor to ride with the greatest cyclist in the world. Yeah, right, right, right. So I guess we could set up that. Yeah, right. We could set that up by uh right after, I think maybe did we talk about it already about Jonas?

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Mature said that too.

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After winning the stage, just an honor to ride with the Well Yonis, Jonas, yeah, that's right. Jonas crashed out. Did we talk about that?

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We already did.

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Jonas crashed out, he's done. Uh the next day, Remco has an incredible stage, and at the end of that stage, he says, they're like, Hey Remco, you uh have any uh aspirations for the yellow jersey? And he's like, he laughed. And and this is Remco who's got a chip on his shoulder, to say the least, perhaps the largest chip. He's basically just carrying around a bag of tostitos on his shoulder at all times. Santitas. Yeah, yeah. So it's it's uh and he said, Oh no, not at all. Um it's just an honor to ride with Tade, to learn so much from him. What else did he say, Jordan? Yeah, just that yeah, yeah, yeah.

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To to be the closest to him. He said to be near him is so we're we're building a god here. The god is already there.

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The god is already there. The god is present. Yeah, yeah. Uh Tade won five stages in this tour.

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Uh-huh. And it's won the overall five times now. But you were pretty you had a discontent.

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Equaling the record. Equaling the record, but we should also say that uh Lance Armstrong, who we said we would never mention here. I just think it's funny. He goes, he goes on his because somehow he's wiggled his way back into NBC. He's like, right, if you want to watch the stage, right next to it is, oh, see, see what these He was like, I definitely called you a bitch, Oprah, but I didn't call you fat.

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Let me be clear. You are a bitch, but you're definitely not fat, bro. All right, let's move on.

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So he he also he also said, so yeah, Tade's gonna keep on going after this five because he knows the real number. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. He knows the real number. He knows the real word. Which is of course seven if you're counting Lance Armstrong as a winner of the tournament. I I, you know, respect. He won seven times, in my opinion.

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Let's count it.

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So we're counting it, and I know Tade counts it, but I just thought that was pretty uh pretty Lance to say that. Uh Lance. But yeah, so basically the last like like, you know, with the exception of when he's turning on the gas, the what was that, the first Alp Duez stage? They had to do the first.

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The second one the second one he was like The double where Sepi almost died.

SPEAKER_05 8:20

Right, right. Okay, so the final this is I guess the Queen stage, the hardest stage of the tour. The Queen stage was on Saturday, the day before the last day. And Tade is all about helping Del Toro. And so you've been seeing this kind of like performatively.

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Oh, that's what Jory thinks.

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Oh, Jory, I think, are on the same page with this one. Big time. We were watching this stage. Well, first off, we got a complete spoiler on the on we because we watch at night. I get a spoiler from one of our ride buddies.

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Buddies?

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Yep. Yeah.

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He's not a buddy after this. We're talking about you, John Weeks.

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But so we already kind of knew what was gonna happen.

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What did he say, Jory? Oh, he went directly up to us and said immediately, Sepkus just crashed himself out of a stage win.

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Can you believe it? And I go, God down, this is why don't even look at your text messages in July. He found us in person instead of it. And so, yeah, so we're like, okay, you know, because with Jonas out, great, great opportunity for other other members of the Yumbo or the Visma team, Visa Lisa Bike team. So Sep would be a great uh stage winner on the most climbing, climbing stage of the whole tour. I don't the I think it was 17,000 feet. I think it might have been even more on that stage. Yeah, it was like a hundred miles and seventeen thousand feet.

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We're not here for facts, we're just here for feeling. Facts are not it was a hard stage.

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And so yeah, the hardest tour stage. Hardest tour stage ever, they said. Uh-huh. And so Sep makes a move with Richard Carapaz. Oh, Rich not with Richard Carapaz. Richard Carapaz and Sep are are basically like in the front, and they are track for one of them to win the race. Sep crashes twice going down the final. Something like Sep probably had it in the bag. Yeah. Richie was racing for Sep. Right, right. And Richard Carapaz has been of Ecuador has been so entirely aggressive this tenacious with possessed. Possessed, a rider possessed.

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Yeah.

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And yeah, he takes the win. Sep nearly dies coming down. I think his final crash, he it was up against like a net they had put out against like a corner. To prevent exactly that. To prevent him from falling off the edge. And it was. And he used the last six inches of it.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm. Yeah. To stay on the road. Precisely. And then the Then Richie passes him on the second.

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Because he had 30 seconds on Richie.

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Yeah.

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And then he crashed outside, getting out of that tunnel.

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These guys are racing down the mountain pass.

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Yeah, and his adrenaline is going crazy. This is what he said in the interview. And then Richie passes him on that second, near fatal, like falling off of a mountain. Like a proper mountain.

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Right.

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And Richie zooms by.

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Yeah. And then he zoomed by.

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You know, Sepp's gotta be all flustered, but he was sending it. He was sending it down. I mean, you used to say that people didn't race downhill, right? But everybody's racing downhill now, thanks to Pick Cock.

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This race was was won on the downhill. True. On the descent, right before the finish line.

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Oh wait.

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And lost. And lost.

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And lost. Yeah.

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So uh yeah. So Carapaz comes across the line first, Sep second.

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Sep's third, actually. No, sorry.

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Sep is third. Because Remco makes his uh Remco just uh just lost 10 pounds for this tour, and he did so well. Uh we let we we don't like to encourage unhealthy weight loss, but these guys have Remco is impressive.

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At the end of that stage, there was someone waiting for him at the finish line, and he was kind of cheering for him on his like uh staff or whatever, and Remco's all mad. He's like, Why do you cheer? I I didn't win. I'm number two. Why do you cheer? Stop that!

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Or are you celebrating? Which I I could I respect that. I re I like Remco is like I think Remco has become our favorite of this entire I mean aside from Kara I loved Carapaz's attacking style, but Remco, the personality here has really begun to blossom. Yeah. We already knew who Remco was, but the way he's handling all this, yeah, with with the with the the exception of be of his comment about Tade being like, it is just an honor to ride next to him and learn so much. Sure, I guess he is a lot to learn. But I mean this this kind of slides into so these guys, I mean, Sep almost died trying to win this tour stage. Richard Carapaz turned himself out inside out multiple times. This was a second stage win. But almost every almost every stage that had a mountain on it, Richard Carapaz was off the front just like peeling himself, peeling himself down to the skin in order to win a stage. So it just this is this is how it is in you know in the Tour de France. Like these guys, these guys just give it everything. And oftentimes they give like overly everything and have less than nothing left. And just look at Matthew. Yeah, just look at Valentine Parapontra Parapontra. There's nothing left. There's nothing cheaper than the floor. You know, these supported his entire body to maybe win a sta win a stage. He won a stage last year on Alphaz.

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Well, he was trying for the polka dot jersey. What was cute was him and vet Richie Carapaz's and Valentin's like camaraderie. Like they they were they were close. They really liked each other.

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Because Carapaz also at the end of this, Carapaz took the polka dot jersey.

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Of course. Yeah.

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He deserves it.

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He definitely deserves everything. Yeah.

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And so I take back all the little like little bitch comments I made about him last year in the Jiro. There's no taking those back. There's no taking those back. No, no. You know, because I was just like upset with how him and Del Toro did the whole Giro thing. I was like, Del Toro like in the Giro last year, I was like, man, this guy is either has like no idea what's going on or is misinformed or people are just like picking on him. I think the common thread here is Del Toro. Yes. That's where we're thank you for keeping us on track here. So if you've been following along these past few weeks, you've seen Tade and Del Toro, you know, I for uh for lack of a better term, bromance. I think you know that's what they call it. And it is the and and you may cringe at that term bromance. Well, what I've seen is very cringe worthy. Have I got some video clips for you? Some Instagram or you know, what's great, what's great is that Tade is playing like father figure here, yet he's only four years older. And he's like, This is my boy, this is my son.

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Giving him a push with the end up the hill. Yeah, pretty much. I have been hearing El Toro, all the rest of UAE have been, you know, sick, stomach bug, etc. Eating in isolation, quarantineing all meals.

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Right, right, right. But it doesn't excuse the complete disrespect for the stage and the other riders that I witnessed. Everyone else seemed to be pretty like hunky-dory about how you know Del Toro and Tade finished this final stage. Because of course, Tade's got it in the bag. He had like a seven-minute lead or whatever. He didn't have to do anything. He just wanted to be like Del Toro's like daddy domestique. And so the two of them, Del Toro can't take does not am I getting this right? Was that where he couldn't take Remco? Was this another time where he couldn't take Remco for the win? For I mean for the second place or third place, whatever. So Del Toro not able to keep up with Remco, which is despicable. I mean, he's a cagey little Chihuahua Remco. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lot to contend with. A lot to contend with. You don't never know what you're gonna get. But he but you know, Del Toro should be a much more explosive rider. And we've seen him be a more explosive rider. Uh whatever. We maybe it's just about explosive diarrhea these days.

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We're in those black shorts.

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Him and Tati, I want to paint the picture. So after all this, you know, we've talked about what Pelo Pantro's done. We talked about Carapaz, we've talked about Sep almost dying. And we're coming to the end of this hardest stage in tour history, the final stage before the Champs-Elysée. And you love the way I say that. The Champs-Élysée.

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The Champs Ellis.

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And how does how do Del Toro and Tade cross the line? Like basically, basically, like arm and arm, lip to lip, cheek to cheek. Cheek to cheek, and they're giving like this, they're like putting like it was Tade's idea to put like the Del Toro like horns in the pointer finger in the air. They both little bull imagery. Right, pantomiming. A little bull imagery as they giggled like schoolboys. And after nearly the entire Peloton had risked their lives, life and life buried themselves. Buried themselves. Hardest stage of the, how many times have I said that? Hardest stage of the tour. And these two are gonna completely disrespect it with their silly bromance.

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Oh my god. Disrespecting traditional.

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Tradition, just every you know, this is Alp Duez.

SPEAKER_04 17:35

Yeah.

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And you're gonna finish. Hallowed climb. A hallowed climb. And I just don't understand. Oh, this is just fun for them. It's not supposed to be.

SPEAKER_04 17:46

We're gonna do our little pokey horns joke around. No. Yeah. It was not the spot. Not the spot for it, guys.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

This is a funeral, not a wedding.

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Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

Okay. That's what you're saying.

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Yes, that's what we're saying.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah. And God, I just it didn't even take a moment to process. For me, I was like ill. I was like, this is this is so this is I saw it firsthand.

SPEAKER_04 18:12

Ron's grief was visceral. He had to get up and leave the room. I wish you could have seen it, folks.

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He needed a lot of comfort granola that.

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Yeah, well into like you know, comfort granola, yeah.

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Yeah, there was like three bowls of comfort.

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You don't know what it's like to have to process all those nuts and and um and coconut shavings, you know, the next morning. Okay. So on top of all the disappointment and shame. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

Your intestine just shredded.

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So I am no longer a Tate fan.

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Whoa, you put it here first.

SPEAKER_05 18:49

Yep, I am no longer a Del Toro fan. I loved Del Toro.

SPEAKER_04 18:53

We've gotta assume he's young enough that he may come into some semblance of Panaj, but right now he's got negative aura.

SPEAKER_05 19:02

Negative aura. Negative aura. Boy, well, yeah, because you've also seen video footage of him like goofing around at the riding into the lobby of a hotel. Absolutely not. Acting like a 22-year-old. Absolutely not. No, you do not. You just don't do this. Is it a traditional sport, and I feel like Tade is like not respectful to those traditions. And maybe, you know, this is just me being old. We did come up in an era of heavy bullying. Jordan Jordan was there too. Bullying and hazing was a big part of cycling. Big part of cycling, and it kept the lid on this sort of what this sort of boilover and tomfoolery. Exactly. So yeah, that's just those are our parting thoughts on traumatized parting thoughts. So just, you know, everyone, uh, this we're wrong. I mean, I looked at comments everywhere, and everyone's like, that was awesome. I can't believe Tate works for so hard for I mean, Del Toro, I don't think would have won anything on this.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

What class on the guy?

SPEAKER_05 20:04

What class? I was like, he like, yeah, whatever. You know.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Ron's not sold on it. I liked it. I did not come up in the hazy scene. I think I think all of this is really sweet, but really good show for everyone.

SPEAKER_05 20:19

Yeah.

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I do think that Todd is kind of love bombing Isaac Del Toro a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 20:25

Yeah, you agree, you're you're hitting the nail on the head.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

Yeah, yeah. He's getting love bombed, and then he's gonna get left behind. And the only reason why I think Tade was such a super domestique for Isak is because he wanted Isak to have the white jersey and not Paul Sexas, who was offered double the amount that Todd makes. And he was probably super mad about that and was like, you know, as much as he wants a competitor, he is probably really offended that a Frenchman comes out of nowhere. And, you know, you do have a Slovenian and a Mexican rider, which are kind of outside of the Mount Olympus countries of the Tour de France and cycling heritage-wise, it's not Italy, France, or Spain, you know, like or all the Netherish lands.

SPEAKER_05 21:12

All of whom had no stage wins this tour. Quick. The first time the French haven't had a stage stage win since 1999.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

We miss you, Thibaut Pino. We miss you so much.

SPEAKER_05 21:22

So, lastly, we're gonna move on. Last stage of the tour on the Champs Lise was dang exciting. Holy moly. And I I tuned in, I had looked at the stage preview. I was like, oh, we're just gonna see some parade laps, like it sometimes oftentimes is, comes to a bunch sprint at the end. You see Yasper Phillipson win, whatever. It's like, okay. You know, sprint stages I I think I speak for everyone, are pretty, you know, drawing till the end. Yeah. So the but this ended up being uh Tade back to being an all right in my mind, I guess. Tade lights it up at the end there and starts attacking because. They had like these cobbled sections. It looked like a classic.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

That's how it always is.

SPEAKER_05 22:04

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

It was last year.

SPEAKER_05 22:06

Well, maybe it was last year. I just don't remember. So last year, Wow he Tate did the same thing, and Wow took the stageway.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

Yeah. Yep.

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How quickly we forget. That's what I couldn't imagine. I couldn't. I had totally forgotten about that.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Yeah. It's been a while since we've seen Wout.

SPEAKER_05 22:20

Yeah. He's got a mobile plan now. Wow, that full cry. Yeah. And this year, uh, Vanderpol uh latches on to Tate and takes it to the line and wins by a tenth of a second. With a few, like after I've never seen like that's when you want to see like the biggest, one of the biggest engines in the world just completely empty themselves. Dumped it out. Dumped it out. All the way. What a thing of beauty.

SPEAKER_04 22:49

So wins by a tenth of a second on a giant bike throw. And after digging deep, like four, you can see this footage of him kind of slow motion, looking down, digging deep, thinking, okay, I've got maybe one more push and it's not quite enough. And then he digs deep again and he goes maybe three times into the bottom of the bag. And somehow, wow, that was really something. The crash into the barrier afterward, where he was just completely cross-eyed and just slumped over, fell, heaving, crying. Feudal position breathe, yeah, asphyxiating in the ground as people are poking around trying to hand him Pellegrino sodas. Wow, that was really the highlight of the whole thing for me. Yeah, what a way to end. And talk to you.

SPEAKER_05 23:37

Yeah. He's a he's a dreamboat. He's really a dreamboat for me. He is a dream boat. Looks so good doing it. So the tour ends. We've got the podium, is of course Tade at the top. And then we got Remco as second. And I wonder if Remco would have beaten Jonas anyway. And that crash last week just saved Jonas the embarrassment.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

I disagree. I think Yonis, whatever. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 24:03

This is so and then the third spot on the podium, Del Toro. Boy, oh boy, can I do I tell you having while they were all three of them were on the podium, having a person, having Remco between Tade and Del Toro, having someone between them, you could tell that they they were missing being right by one another's side.

SPEAKER_02 24:24

I disagree. I think they're I think Todd's love bombing is over. He's gonna move on.

SPEAKER_05 24:29

Yeah, because Del Toro did like come up behind him and give him a hug, and Tade's like, Tade's like, I'm talking to Remco.

SPEAKER_04 24:35

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

You know?

SPEAKER_05 24:37

We know that move.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

I think it's a Rimco right now.

SPEAKER_05 24:40

It's gonna be great because there is gonna be a point where Del Toro is on a different team than Tade.

SPEAKER_02 24:45

He's gonna have to be.

SPEAKER_05 24:46

He's gonna have to be. Although Tate wants him to stay on UAE. Who knows? You know, who knows what's gonna happen to the UAE in the next few years? The love bombing is over. It's over. These are petrol states. Yeah. You know, we don't know what's going on with these teams. You know, we we love this sport, but it's completely funded by dark money. But use them and lose them. It's kind of like what I like. I kind of like that about the sport, though.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

Oh yeah, you are little evil.

SPEAKER_05 25:12

That's evil. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Shadow Ron is here.

SPEAKER_05 25:14

Or 25 minutes in, we better get the heck out of here.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

We got well, it was a it was an amazing Tour de France fens, and it's going to be an amazing Tour de France Fens.

SPEAKER_05 25:24

Evig Zwift.

SPEAKER_02 25:25

Uh all right, calm down, Ron. The corrections. The Tour de France Friends, Evig Zwift is going to be nine stages. It's going to start August 1st. So Saturday. Get ready. There's only two mountain stages, which I find a little offensive, but there is Mont Ventu, which I guess a lot of the pro femmes wanted. I'm excited to see the big battle for the stages. It's going to be amazing. We've got all the stars. I'm really interested in how Kim LeCour is gonna perform because she is awesome. She's the one that famously like crashed with Kasha and stayed back to check on her. Love that for her.

SPEAKER_05 26:13

Of course, Kasha is gonna be racing.

SPEAKER_02 26:15

Kasha's racing. Their new kids came out. She's she's gonna kill it.

SPEAKER_05 26:19

No more Zonda Crypto.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

There's no more Zonda Crypto. It's cram Canyon Shram and another tertiary sponsor. But yeah, all the bigs are there. Yeah. Yeah. Tune in for the FEMS. We're gonna be talking about it for the rest of August.

SPEAKER_05 26:40

Next, yeah, next episode, you'll hear us talking about the FEMS Aveg Zwift.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

Well, I you just love Avex Zwift.

SPEAKER_05 26:49

We love Zwift. We love Zwifting. Most of our riding is done on Zwift.

SPEAKER_02 26:53

Never Zwifted in our lives.

SPEAKER_05 26:56

But attempts. Yeah, but the uh we'll also be talking about a little Vermont trip that we're going on this weekend for my little brother. So that'll be the real life report back next week. But without further ado, what are we moving on to Wait?

SPEAKER_02 27:09

Do you have a favorite Femme for uh taking the yellow?

SPEAKER_05 27:13

I mean I want I want Kasha, but you know, we know Kasha. We want Kasha to take the yellow. I love the way that I love the way that Kasha rides.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

She's the most exciting racer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:24

Or yeah, you know, so it's it's like a very aggressive rider, like loves to race on, honestly. And we've Jordan's been there too. We've we all three of us in this room have ridden with Kasha. Personally punished. Personally punished by Kasha.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

She was talking to you about like cream cheese or something. Like sour cream.

SPEAKER_05 27:43

She was a polish.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Oh interesting.

SPEAKER_05 27:47

So yeah, maybe maybe that we all want Kasha to win. Yeah, we all want Kasha to win.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 27:53

So we'll potatoes. There's potatoes I was talking about. Potatoes and sour cream was the and cabbage is like the Polish cure for everything. That's what she was saying.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

Uh-huh. You're depressed, just put a cabbage on your heart. That'll help. So that's easy. Kasha Kasha, Kasha. Oh, we're all Kasha? Okay.

SPEAKER_05 28:10

We're all on Team Kasha here. Yeah, 1000%. Demi I like I like when Demi Wollering is doing well, of course.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

Yeah. Yeah, she's an exciting rider. She's an exciting writer. Trying to do it all.

SPEAKER_05 28:21

And we have a dark horse.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

We've got several. I mean, Pauline Ferrampervo. She hasn't really been showing the form that she had last year.

SPEAKER_05 28:31

Champion from last year. That's the younger. A mountain biker who came and won the tour.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

Yeah, yeah. She won everything.

SPEAKER_05 28:38

Decided that she no longer wanted to be associated with the lowest rung of cycling culture.

SPEAKER_02 28:42

Amen.

SPEAKER_05 28:43

And came to uh race the tour.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

Yeah, won Perry Roubaix last year and said this was good training to win the tour. Can you imagine? She's like, oh yeah, it's nice. Now I can have a rock next to my husband's rock. And crazy. So she's she's a contender too up there. People are saying Kim LeCore is in great shape. The Swiss writer who also crashed with Marlon Roser is also another one that's a favorite. And I I love her interviews too.

SPEAKER_05 29:14

So uh so we'll get to check in after the first three stages, I guess, next week.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 29:18

So stay tuned for that. We'll do it in the beginning of the episode because all you alt cyclers out there, you love your all-closet pro racing.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

Yeah, and we've turned a few people into tour watchers, which is really fun. It's really fun.

SPEAKER_05 29:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think holistic cycling, the the opportunities to be a holistic cyclist have never been better.

SPEAKER_06 29:40

True.

SPEAKER_05 29:41

So let's speak of a holistic cyclist.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Let's get into fan mail.

SPEAKER_05 29:47

Oh no, I was going to uh do a little, not not just yet. I wanted to do a little uh local pervert series on on Jory here. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Jory is local. Well, he's not local, but he is right now. He's a pervert. Currently. Would you rather be local or a pervert? Start there. Pick your category. Everyone seemed to enjoy Alex's drooling all over the the microphone last week. Yeah talking about it, talking about his bikes. Um, I think we've all been there. So yeah, I want to talk a little, I want to ask similar questions to Jory here, but of course I left my notepad at the warehouse. So we're gonna have to go off the top of the head. Jory, tell us how long of how uh when did you get into cycling and what was the gateway drug?

SPEAKER_04 30:39

I say my first bike was probably back in the sixth year of my life. Sixth year of Teenage Meat Ninja Turtles.

SPEAKER_06 30:49

So that that nice cantalabras or V-brakes?

SPEAKER_05 30:52

Coaster brakes.

SPEAKER_04 30:54

Single pivot, very nice. Simple. Installed it up with you know the the double tire solid tube install back and forth. Starting up in Van Horn. This is the first one.

SPEAKER_05 31:06

Yeah, Van Horn, Texas. This is where Jory grew up. Anyone's familiar with that part of West Texas? It's way west Texas. Lots of goat heads, lots of goat heads near Marfa.

SPEAKER_04 31:15

Not likely spot to be riding bikes. Yeah, near Marfa, a little north of Marfa. About an hour north, about an hour north of Marfa. That's little over there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that is little over there. That's big country. That's right next door. Yeah, riding around in the levees there as a kid was my introduction. So when was your your first nice bike? First nice bike. In Austin? In Austin, Texas.

SPEAKER_05 31:42

So is this had you moved to Austin already? What year? What year is this? This is 2005. Okay, 2005. You so we overlapped in Austin a little bit. We didn't know each other, but we overlapped. We knew that. We knew people. And so did you work at bicycle sport shop in Austin? Bicycle sports shop, folks, for this was kind of the biggest before the Lance era and a little bit after the Lance era, this was the big trek deal where there were Yeah, there were like Trek specialized. You know, the everything.

SPEAKER_04 32:11

The the shop that would have been doing really well in that time. I didn't work there at the time. I was still going to college at that point. But now Johnny Pucci worked there also.

SPEAKER_05 32:19

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

Yeah, Johnny Pucci and Rachel Cook.

SPEAKER_05 32:23

So uh so you get a specialized LA and steel?

SPEAKER_04 32:27

Is it steel or aluminum? It's aluminum. Aluminum with a carbon fork and zerts all over the place. Oh, it had zerts? The LA had zerz? It had zertz in the fork. Okay, on the fork. Oh god, that was a lot of things. Did you love it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

Did you love that so much?

SPEAKER_04 32:41

It was it was my entry to get you know, to getting hazed into learning how to paceline at the old airport track there in Mueller. It's now since it turned into a housing development. But yeah, that was my intro into that. My first real bite.

SPEAKER_05 32:57

Did you now at the time, did you know those zerts were cringe?

SPEAKER_06 33:03

Yes, I did.

SPEAKER_05 33:04

You knew. And you so you were ashamed of your zerts immediately.

SPEAKER_04 33:07

Exactly. Yeah. Well, it was it was a little bit of curiosity at the beginning, like most things in life. A little curiosity immediately replaced by shame.

unknown 33:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:15

Yeah. Deep shame. Yeah, deep, deep shame.

SPEAKER_02 33:21

Life in shambles afterwards.

SPEAKER_05 33:23

All right. So you're you're you're riding the Zerts bike. Are you doing any local races? Are you doing just the group rides? Like what's the what's the feel? Uh give me, you know, paint me a little picture of Austin and the odds.

SPEAKER_04 33:34

I started doing the 360 cycle works group ride that met there on the loop, kind of showed me.

SPEAKER_05 33:40

Kind of on the way. That's kind of a ways to ride for to start a group ride.

SPEAKER_04 33:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:46

We were doing we were doing like the Progress Coffee Ride, and then well, the I'm embarrassed to say this, the Austin tricyclist. The Austin tricyclist. Oh, yeah. That was the that was Saturday.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Very centrally located.

SPEAKER_05 33:58

Were you did were you on that ride? No, I didn't. No, no. I I I commend you in the I can't believe I just said more of a VOP guy, you know.

SPEAKER_04 34:04

VOP. Yeah. What's that? Fellow on Peloton. Oh. Any old Austin heads will know. I should well. Well, I don't know. I'm looking at you, Ron. I'm I mean, six, I'm six years older.

SPEAKER_05 34:16

Um joined the UT cycling team and really. Oh, went to UT, UT cycling team. So you raced around Texas on the UT cycling team. And then when do you think you know when Stephon Roth. Stefan Roth. Shout out. The legendary name. So mountain biking? Where did it when did that end?

SPEAKER_04 34:36

Mountain biking didn't happen until quite a bit later. Okay. When I started going out west, spending some time in Bozeman. Right, right. And with friends there.

SPEAKER_05 34:44

Now we kind of started to become friends at a like BTC beat the clock club in Austin. It's kind of like an old, like, I want to, you know, these cult the it was a a non-racing club. You guys had kits and stuff in the early years, but it was kind of like it was a non-racing club, which is kind of cool when I think back on it. Like that's kind of like a like a blueprint, I think, for how a lot of these, like, I don't know, about like alt bike clicks or a blueprint.

SPEAKER_04 35:16

If you uh absolutely removed every drop of inclusivity, then it's exactly the same.

SPEAKER_05 35:22

Tell me what what was the what was the what was the problem with inclusivity?

SPEAKER_04 35:26

No, it was just, you know, there was there was an error around it curated by John Trujillo. You know, it was an invite-only thing. You had to get true. You had to get uh vetted.

SPEAKER_05 35:37

It was his messenger company at the at the time. Yeah, it was his bike messenger company at the time. So yeah, you guys started to do little trips out to like first around in Super Bowl weekend out in Fredericksburg. Remember, you did that or what you did the first one with John Watson or something out to a lake somewhere and I started noticing you. I would I had already moved away where I was back in Austin here and there just to dog sit. And then you stuck you guys started to come out to to Tucson to do this trip.

SPEAKER_04 36:10

I think that I think I was the first one to uh introduce you to a Rico. I think I pulled a Rico out of my bag and I remember you.

SPEAKER_05 36:16

Oh, Rico GR. Yeah. So Jordan Jordan has a uh Ron goes, what is that little? What is that little camera? I see that. Yep, Rico, Rico changed my life. Now here he is. Yep. So then you went off and you did a little but you did a long bike tour down. A lot of bike touring years, yeah. Down down a little tour divide stuff, and you end up really liking Montana. Come across our mutual friend Hubert. Hubert, a lot a lot of crossover. You start working for Adam Sklar, did some work for Adam Sklar. Tell us a little bit about your time with Adam Sklar. I think our I think most of our listeners would be interested to hear some of this stuff. You were kind of like his uh right-hand prep man. It's chogi, actually. It's chogey.

SPEAKER_04 36:58

Uh actually, yeah, I think the the term is fish wife. I think that was the term we we called. That was the fit. That's what you put on your taxi charts. Exactly. When it asked me in that box. But yeah, it was really, really nice. Did a lot of custom builds and some content creation and some marketing with Adam, had a lot of fun as the brand was kind of growing from Adam being a solo maker to the designer. Extraordinary that he is now. And then when Adam moved out of business to San Francisco, I stayed in Bozeman and I'm there to this day. It was beautiful, beautiful place to live. Good out good alt bike scene? I would say so. Might be a little too inclusive for my taste, but you know.

SPEAKER_05 37:46

Yeah, what do you what's the uh what's like the number one bike? What would you say the bike of the the Bozeman scene is? Like what bike do you see the most?

SPEAKER_04 37:56

Probably the super something, the scar super something. Okay. There's a lot of them in Bozeman. A lot of scalar super somethings. That or the pivot mock 429, something like that. Full suspension. Ibis in Mojo something.

SPEAKER_05 38:11

Would you say Bozeman Yeti Infinity Link? Bozeman more of a performance town.

SPEAKER_04 38:16

Yeah, it's it kind of splits up. There's there's a distinct amount of commuter utility cyclists just kind of having fun, cruising around the town trails, running errands a lot. And then there's a a transition that happens as soon as you leave town that you know, not for everyone, but the transition. Transition into tech world. Oh tech tech mode, tech fabrics, tech, tech bikes, okay, just plastic everything. Okay, all right. All right. Keep it coming, keep it coming. Yeah, you know, Adam kind of instilled in me a strict policy of no tech in town. We don't wear tech fabrics, we don't write tech bikes in town. Okay, so until you leave town. Oh, this is interesting. I still don't like any any kind of tech fabric touching my body, but that's a personal.

SPEAKER_05 39:07

So, as in out of town, as in no one seeing it. And you're not running pucky into taking pictures. Well, yeah, this is good.

SPEAKER_04 39:13

It's just it's just a nice delineation to keep to keep, you know, I like keep your your lives compartmentalized, as we know. Great, great approach to life. The more plentiful the boxes, the more integrated the human.

SPEAKER_05 39:28

I think that really epitomizes you. Uh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:33

Lock it up, put it in a box.

SPEAKER_05 39:35

Shove it down. Yeah. All right. So Bozeman's great. Yeah. So you at this point in your life, you're uh you're an experienced mechanic. You're working at Altar in Bozeman. Yeah, you don't want anyone to touch your bike but me. Don't allow any other human bike. I've seen you at work. You've been on a few of my videos helping me out with with most notably with the the the uh alumolith on YouTube. Uh Jory was helping me put that one together. Out in the rat hole. Yeah, out in the rat hole, trying to get that thing done in time. And it's unfortunate that you're just leaving because I basically have to make my gotta watch it. I timed my visit just perfectly. Yeah, I gotta cram this week. So so yeah, so that's basically what you're up to now. Totally. Now, are you working on mostly you know hydraulic, electronic suspension bikes at Alter, or are you working on cars? Hydraulic. Both, yeah, oh yeah. So this shop this shop services everything.

SPEAKER_04 40:35

We're exclusively, pretty much exclusively a service shop. There's some new bikes that come out of them all, but really it's service shop is one of the only ways you can make this work, right?

SPEAKER_05 40:44

Totally. Totally. Now, uh do you intentionally ignore people when they come in and just kind of be like, you know, we politely decline some bikes that maybe come from a certain overnight mail order service that I know you like a lot. Canyon? Yeah, I I got touched on. No, Canyons.

SPEAKER_04 41:06

We worked on Canyons with No Amazon bikes. Okay, all right. We'll do it. Honestly, we'll do it. The owner of the shop just can't say no.

SPEAKER_05 41:17

So we had uh just do whatever. We had a listener mail that came in last week of you know, uh noting that uh they appreciated that we were a uh that we pointed out that bicycle shops are all equal opportunity discriminators. Oh, absolutely and uh that you know that but basically just As soon as you leave, we're talking shit. Yeah, all right. This is good to have an actual bike shop lackey here. Peek behind the curtain. A little peek behind the curtain.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

Well Yeah, we work on everything. Yeah. I honestly don't discriminate against e-bikes at all. I I love e-bikes, I've had some really fun times there.

SPEAKER_05 41:53

This listener was saying that they're just thrilled to work on an actual bike these days because most of what comes through the door are e-bikes. Uh-like really junky e-bikes.

SPEAKER_04 42:02

So yeah, I'd say it's it's only like a 20, 20, 80 split from real bikes being the 80%. Yeah. So looking to stay in Bozeman long term? Yeah, I love it. Having a good time, got a really great community there. Give a little shout out to your band, Stonefruit. Yeah, that does occupy a lot of my time. Stonefruit, the new album, Good News Only, is out now on every streaming service imaginable.

SPEAKER_02 42:25

I'm listening to it right now.

SPEAKER_04 42:26

Um we just finished tour. You're the drummer. Do you do any songwriting? Uh I get in there. Yeah, write some melodies here and there.

SPEAKER_05 42:33

And we did get an opportunity to have you lend your your your your skin whacking skills to uh to bone mill. To the bone mill, which is our local band here. We joined forces and had a little recording session.

SPEAKER_04 42:45

Had a little session. That was nice. Dietz's a little pizza session.

SPEAKER_05 42:49

It has been that we got to say on your last day. So just great that we had you on the pod. So um thanks for the little intro there, Jory. Of course. Um so you're gonna stick with us now as we go through some listener mail. I would love to.

SPEAKER_06 43:03

Doo! Doo! Listener mail, do loo, doo, doo, listener mail.

SPEAKER_05 43:12

All right. Let's get into it. Sound a just in a single button. Okay. I wanted I want to, we have, so we have got a we're gonna answer some questions on nutrition and food that we use on our tours and long rides. We're gonna say how to optimize your rim breaks. We're gonna talk about tubes, to tubeless, TPUs, latex, etc.

SPEAKER_06 43:38

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_05 43:39

And our war are wide bars a fad. Wide drop bars. I'd say wide any bar. Is it a fad? And maybe if we get to it, crank sets that are fairly easy to find on eBay that you could turn into wide range doubles. What so I won't let give uh give Aria some airtime here.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

How about I ask the questions and

SPEAKER_05 44:00

You two can be the well, I think we could start by what do you bring on, say, that hundred-mile ride that you did last week.

SPEAKER_02 44:06

Oh, okay. So getting right into the nut nutrition here, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:10

What did you bring with you?

SPEAKER_02 44:11

I had three hard-boiled eggs. I actually brought two. I had one before.

SPEAKER_05 44:19

Do you keep these like how do you keep them from breaking?

SPEAKER_02 44:22

I had them, I had them in my jersey pocket in the back.

SPEAKER_05 44:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

So, you know, because I was going over some bumpy stuff.

SPEAKER_06 44:29

It wasn't all through.

SPEAKER_02 44:31

And I had an apple, a banana, I had the salt, a little salt packet that I got from the movie theater for the eggs. I had a bean and cheese burrito, a stroop waffle, and I think I'm probably forgetting some things, but that was that was the big stuff.

SPEAKER_05 44:57

And then did you stop anywhere and get some food?

SPEAKER_02 44:59

And I ran out of food. I ate all of that by mile 75.

SPEAKER_05 45:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

And just wanted to. I just did like the gas station stop and got a Coca-Cola and a Snickers bar. Classic. And that got me, that got me to the end. Like zipped right to the end. But I think it's different to do like a big day ride where you're not stopping as much than like a big bike tour. Jory and I, last time we saw each other, we were on the tour divide. And I was packing much different there. So on a tour like that where you're kind of racing, but you might have time. Actually, no, that's that's pretty much gas station food, isn't it, Jory?

SPEAKER_04 45:47

It depends on the section, yeah. It's mostly a large restaurant or something.

SPEAKER_02 45:54

Yeah, that would be like a cush meal is leftovers, but mostly it's gas station burritos, like a bunch of nuts. If they have they also have hard-boiled eggs in gas stations, like those packets. It's not the best stuff to fuel your ride, and Ron is like secretly horrified. He's he's going into his safe space.

SPEAKER_04 46:17

Sneeves upon sleeves of you know, Milano cookies.

SPEAKER_02 46:21

Wheat, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:22

Like a pepper schwer bottom.

SPEAKER_02 46:24

Yeah, they should be. They don't have simple mills, which is Ron's favorite brand, but um, sometimes they do. I'll do those like energy blocks, the the little chews, the energy chews, because you need it. But on a tour that's a little more chill, you would do like the bag of beans or you know, like tasty bites and cook it over. Ron would normally forage during our day because there's almost always like mustard greens out there. You might even find nettles if you're lucky. There's almost always like chickweed.

SPEAKER_05 46:59

It becomes like a fun thing to kind of pass occupy your brain a little bit too while you're on these long tours, is looking for wild edibles and learning more about them. And it helps because it's really hard to keep fresh produce while you're touring. And so if you could just find it growing along the way, then you don't have to worry about refrigeration.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 47:20

And so, you know, there's a few greens are really hard. It's you know, it's greens are really hard to poison yourself with because it's you know, you just follow, you know, if it tastes like it's true, it's tell Taco Bell that's wash them.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

Poison the entire nation.

SPEAKER_05 47:36

Just wash them, please. So, you know, it's you know, greens are are are something you could generally, you know, if you if you learn how to identify a few key things, you'll you'll end up finding them everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 47:45

Well you cook it over a fire pretty easy.

SPEAKER_05 47:47

And we do cook substantially, so anything raw.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

Yeah. Don't eat raw greens as much. And then we would normally do like egg sandwiches or something in the morning, because I don't like oatmeal every single day. But I need to have tea and coffee in the morning, like warm tea. So I'd carry packets of honey and milk. They also have those packets of like already everything is in the packet masala chai, which I really liked, but that gave me diarrhea after a while, so I had to stop that. But yeah, I think you can pretty much pack whatever you want. I wouldn't I wouldn't go all like ultra-processed bars and like energy chews or whatever. I would do apples and bananas wherever you could find them. And you could pretty much find bananas at every gas station these days. Sometimes oranges are really nice to have, you know, like fresh whole foods wherever you can find it is very good.

SPEAKER_05 48:49

You do sugar really well.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

I love the sugar. I love the sugar.

SPEAKER_05 48:53

Just because you've had so much sugar your whole life that your body just must be really good at whereas me, I feel like I do not feel good on sugar.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

Yeah. You didn't you weren't raised on gulab javens.

SPEAKER_05 49:05

It's more emotional, though. I think there's an emotional component.

SPEAKER_04 49:07

Emotional component to the sugar.

SPEAKER_02 49:09

Oh, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 49:10

I think you were you've probably been reprimanded for consuming tripper. Body run's great on trigger round. It's gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_05 49:20

I have like I get I get like I have a thing where I like to consume as much nutrient density as possible. And so if I'm gonna eat something, especially when my body is stressed, like I feel like I need to do its very like I need to do my best by it. And so I try to the more I stress my body, the more compelled I am, the more like hyper-focused I am on taking care of it.

SPEAKER_02 49:44

Yeah. You do like food as medicine, and I do food for joy and emotion. Right, right, right, right. So I think that's a big difference between the. Yeah. And so for me, it's Snickers bars. So it's a little bit different.

SPEAKER_05 50:00

So I'll I'll feel myself off of like I'll try, you know, in the gas, because oftentimes you are relegated to gas stations. So you gotta I I'm I I've been reading the backs of I've been reading nutrition facts and ingredient lists since I was an early teenager. And I still do it everything to this day. I read the back of it before I eat it. And I I'm very careful. I in uh you know, I'm not I feel like maybe I've been a little bit better about that, better about just letting go of that.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

You've taught me a lot though, and it is it is pretty incredible once you start thinking about you know food as medicine, how much non-medicine is in readily available foods. I mean, everything is canola oil, everything is sugar. I I try to take a more like you know, all the way on the other side approach to Ron, just for balance. But you know, Ron and I really see eye to eye on this. Like there is a reason why food deserts exist and why like food-related uh issues, health issues pop up in mostly poor neighborhoods. Like, there's there's definitely reasons for that. So have have good critique of that, but also don't get too personally food shamey because you still need to eat and still have joy in what you eat and like have treats as well.

SPEAKER_05 51:23

I don't I don't have motivation to ride unless there's something you know ready for me. Not ready for me, but something that I can look forward to at the end of the ride. Like I can turn myself inside out if I need to, if I know that there is something good.

SPEAKER_04 51:37

Swimming hole and pizza. Swimming hole and pizza. I usually go straight for the hog and dogs. Something bubbly, only two drink. Five ingredients. So good stuff. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

Yeah. Like I could find those things. I think you can find those things. If it's simple ingredients and there isn't a lot, that's the best way to go, I think.

SPEAKER_05 51:57

Yeah, but I'm I'm basically, you know, when on tour, it's nuts, nuts, nuts for me. And and when you're eating that many nuts, don't eat them raw because the body, you know, when you're I for me, I I can't digest that many raw nuts. They gotta be roasted or sprouted or something like that, because it becomes such a big part of my diet while I'm out there away from my kitchen, my uh my Whole Foods delivery.

SPEAKER_02 52:23

If you're eating a bunch of nuts, is there something to balance that out with that you can eat?

SPEAKER_05 52:27

Like cheese or yeah, you know, I I think hard cheeses are another thing.

SPEAKER_02 52:32

Parmesan.

SPEAKER_05 52:32

Parmesan is a great, readily available one, you know.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

Find sharp cheddar anywhere too.

SPEAKER_05 52:37

Yeah, yeah, those are always good. I like to go more like high fat and high fat and fiber. And just because I'm looking for a more steady stream of energy, I'm not looking, I don't I don't I can't remember any time I've ever really bonked. So I don't I don't I don't I don't have low blood sugar, I guess. I'm not looking my body's not craving sugar, it's just craving something like sustenance, like slow burning stuff. And so I like fats for that.

SPEAKER_02 53:03

Fiber and fat.

SPEAKER_05 53:05

I'm all thinking about stuff that you can get readily available out there. So, you know, like when I can find good bread, whether it's like sprouted or sourdough, whole wheat. I love making, you know, almond butter and jelly sandwiches, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, cashew butter and jelly sandwiches, whatever I could find. Those those are like my favorite type of energy bar. Whenever I'm going on a long ride, I usually pack like three of those with like Ezekiel sprouted bread.

SPEAKER_02 53:31

One of my favorite things that you make are the snackums. He calls them snackums. They're corn tortillas that are heated up a little bit with hummus in the middle.

SPEAKER_05 53:41

Or if you don't have refrigeration, just avocado.

SPEAKER_02 53:44

Just avocado. Oh, yeah, straight up avocado is great fat.

SPEAKER_05 53:47

Avocado tacos.

SPEAKER_02 53:48

And you can yeah, avocado tacos hot sauce.

SPEAKER_05 53:51

That's the best. Like if you're just looking for something that doesn't take up a lot of room and you could prepare at the end of a hard day with minimal, you know, implements, it's the the just the taco. It's just so you just need your tortillas, you need your avocado, you need your bag of beans or can of beans, and you need your your chulula.

SPEAKER_06 54:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:10

And so those that right there, and then you then you roast up some some like dandelion greens that you found on the side of the road or something. Yeah. Put a little salt in there. You got your protein, you got your fats, you got your macro and micronutrients, you got your carbohydrates all all there. You know, a nic nixtamalized corn that they make tortillas out of is basically a superfood.

SPEAKER_04 54:30

I mean, honestly, avocados, I just cut them with a spoon straight up. It's got everything you need. It's like the best red food, really.

SPEAKER_05 54:36

Yeah, yeah. You just gotta keep them from uh getting squished in your bag. But you know, that there are ways you do that too. Just have a meal going. Yeah, pack them like in with your soft stuff so it doesn't they don't get all split apart. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then for breakfast, you know, I'll probably I always take along some sprouted oats with me or something. Or if they're not sprouted, I'm making overnight oats, I'm soaking them. Because all these, for me, I'm trying to make everything as digestible as possible because you're stressing your body. Like you need to make it easy for your body to operate and so that you could do this stuff long term. And so, yeah, for me, I'm I'm doing overnight oats, I'm putting oats, I'm not using instant oats either because those are really high on the glycemic index. They're kind of an ultra-processed oat product.

SPEAKER_06 55:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:17

So I'm looking for just straight rolled oats because that's what's going to cook the quickest the quickest. I'm probably gonna soak them in water overnight, add a little bit of honey, because you use honey in your oats. I mean in your tea in the morning, so we always have honey with us. Yeah. I'm adding some salt, I'm adding some olive oil. Olive oil or coconut oil. Those are my oils.

SPEAKER_02 55:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:36

So yeah, that's pretty basically what we're eating out here, folks.

SPEAKER_02 55:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:40

We should probably move on to another question.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

I I mean, we don't we really don't do like uh gels or no, don't do any gels.

SPEAKER_05 55:48

Because my teeth, I have bad teeth. I have I have colonist teeth.

SPEAKER_02 55:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 55:52

Yep. You know, our colonies are colonies.

SPEAKER_02 55:55

Are you ever colonized?

SPEAKER_05 55:57

Yeah, my bones here are made of cornbread.

SPEAKER_02 55:59

They are.

SPEAKER_05 56:02

So so you know, I can't, I my dentist, even though I don't eat sugar, like I don't eat much sugar, my dentist all along would be like, you must drink a lot of those sugary sports drinks, huh? I'm like, no, I don't. I just have corn. I just am made of cornbread.

SPEAKER_02 56:14

Meanwhile, I never have cabbages. And I'm a sugar hole.

SPEAKER_05 56:18

So, you know, it's uh I don't I I've stayed off those drinks for since I was a teenager, and I don't I I don't do any high carb drinks or anything like that. Do you do that? I drink whole milk in my sports drink.

SPEAKER_04 56:34

Every vitamin, every electrolyte, sugar, protein, fat burns clean.

SPEAKER_05 56:39

Zoria's way into raw whole milk. It doesn't have to be raw.

SPEAKER_04 56:44

Are you putting this in your water bottle? Gently pasteurized is okay too, but single herd origin.

SPEAKER_05 56:49

Are you are you putting this in your water bottle?

SPEAKER_04 56:51

The water bottle in my stomach. I'll drink a half.

SPEAKER_05 56:53

That would turn into whipped cream whipped cream, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_02 56:56

Or I could curdle.

SPEAKER_05 56:57

Shake it really well. Yeah, if it if it if it kind of gets inoculated with the urine that you've used and to pee in your water bottle previously. Are you gonna get yourself a little bit? Yeah, let's let's get this out of the way. I'm surprised I didn't ask you this. Do you pee in your water bottles?

SPEAKER_04 57:12

Instead of getting out of your sleeping bag. I know, I'll get up, I'll I'll jump right out. I'm usually a Vivi guy, so it's really not, I just will stand up. Stand up in the big bag. You'll do all that.

SPEAKER_05 57:24

Usually, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:26

Why not just pee in one of the bottles?

SPEAKER_00 57:28

Hey, people have different pee practices, okay?

SPEAKER_04 57:31

I've done it in extreme cases. Okay. All right. But uh for the most part, I'm gonna just stand up. I guess we're weirdos.

SPEAKER_02 57:37

Back to the milk thing though. Jory, you did say milk was one of the most hydrating liquids.

SPEAKER_05 57:44

This is not, you know, this is this is Jory. It's an exact science. This is I wouldn't.

SPEAKER_04 57:51

It's a chart I saw. It's a chart of the highest on its hydrating potential.

SPEAKER_02 57:57

I only Jory's last name is Hood Guidas. So Hood Guidus. He comes from the Hood line and the Guidus line.

SPEAKER_05 58:07

Oh, Guidas. I think it was Guidas.

SPEAKER_02 58:10

I think that's a local thing. Straight up dairy industry insider.

SPEAKER_05 58:14

Dairy Industry Insider right here. This guy is on bovine health hormone.

SPEAKER_02 58:19

Look it up. Look up the milk thing.

SPEAKER_05 58:21

For me, I don't I don't drink any milk products unless they're fermented. But I don't drink, I don't eat a lot of things unless they're fermented. That's true. Yeah. But that's just me.

SPEAKER_02 58:31

Well, thank you for that big rundown on nutrition and food. I think that's a big one. Let's get into the other stuff. What do we think about optimizing candy brakes? Because we had someone ask this question because they can't break fast enough. Granted, they did say that they got their pieces from AliExpress. They live in Italy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:55

So I wonder what the brakes were. They're pretty simple. I'm sure they could probably get them filed in.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

Yeah, yeah. I can pull that one up.

SPEAKER_04 59:01

But leverage ratio is important. That's the first thing to check.

SPEAKER_05 59:06

I think he did say that he was had looked at the Sheldon Brown's mechanical advantage uh landmark paper that you could find on Sheldon Brown.com. But that's where I've learned how to set up cantilevers. And for me, it was the the in-between, you know, cantilevers were king for a long time. V-brakes inserted themselves in the in the situation just briefly in the timeline before disc disc brakes took over. For me, the industry push towards disc brakes is understandable because it gives the whole industry a number of countless benefits. Jordan would say countless benefits, as he is a disc brake uh he's a disc brake guy over here, big disc break guy over here. Uh for me it's squeaks about it all the time. Oh, nice one now. That was a burn. Squeaking here, squeaking there.

SPEAKER_03 59:56

My pads are almost gone.

SPEAKER_02 59:58

Shut the very old pads. I'm just saying because my disc bike is squeaking all the time, too.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:03

So for me, like disc disc brakes were, you know, they're a great thing to sell. And I can see why they've taken over because it's they're easier to serve. They're easier, it's just like an easier setup for a lot of places. It's just that they're a lot easier to work on better, devoted braking surface, wheels, all of that. But overkill for most. To me, and the simplicity of just a standard rim brake bike is unmatched. And any riding that I do, I've never felt underbraked in my entire life, honestly, on it on a rim brake bike. I've never been like, ooh, I wish I had discs, unless descending like a mountain in the wintertime and I went through a creek crossing and got my my rims wet and then they turned to ice, and then you have no brakes.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:45

Which has happened.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:46

Which has happened, but to the both of us. That's uh that's it. That's that's a rarity. It's absolutely real. The rest of the time I enjoy a much simpler bicycle maintenance schedule and a better-looking bike, a lighter bike, more frequent flexible replacement. No rim replacement. That is a fallacy. So, you know, I don't have to I replace my rim brake pads maybe once every two years, whereas a disc brake, you know, you know, uh depending upon where you're riding, you may have to replace them every four months or less. So, you know, it's just this disc brakes aren't a thing for me. I'm just not into them.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:19

And well, if we could answer this. We answer the question about how to instead of philosophizing.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:27

Let's just simplify it, yeah, personal beef. Personal beef. To simplify it here.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:42

I can definitely say some common places to look at optimization, some low-hanging fruit would be cable pull ratio. Make sure the lever is short. Shorter the better for canvas. If you're using cannile levers, yep. Long pole if you're using V-brakes. Optimizing your straddle cable, you want a right angle, a 90, 90 degree angle. If you can, or less. You know, that we're talking mechanical management more.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:07

Is that how that goes? Why a more obtuse angle? No, you want an acute angle. From way up top? Well, depending upon if you're if you're doing if you're doing a like a classic style cantilever where it's a high like a not a low profile cantilever, but like AFAC or like a long outboard. Paul two Paul retro, not sorry, the retro, neo-retro canti. You want to have your yoke up high. That's how you're gonna get a more acute angle between the arm and the straddle cable. That's gonna give you a higher mechanical pull ratio. Now, when now when you're doing it on a oh you Jordan's not Jordan's bit perhaps more technically sufficient in all things than I am. But he's giving he's giving me a little fur of his eyebrow. But so yes, so set so if you're doing high profile cannies, set that yoke up high. If you're doing now, most people just set it up high no matter what. And I'm just like, that is not gonna work.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:04

Ideally, you just want that right angle between the arm and the straddle case. You're looking for a right angle. That's gonna be your maximum mechanic.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:10

Now, the way you do that on a low profile canny is setting that yoke down as low as possible. Quite low.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:16

Not and not dragging on the target.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:17

Not dragging, but that's not gonna hurt it. You know, it's only gonna hurt you know your mud clearance or something. But you know, within reason, I should say.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:24

And this listener did say that they have lowered the yoke as much as possible, cleaned the rim.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:30

So that would be brake pads. You gotta get good brake pads. A lot of a lot of the like crappy brakes and what are the best pads?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:38

I mean, cool stop. Cool stops.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:40

It's right there in the name, Cool Stop Salmon.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:42

So you know, that's a that's gonna that's gonna increase the perpendicularity to the rim braking surface as well. A lot of times people set it with those little spherical washers going like this or like this and not perfectly up in the slot. You want when those arms come in, they're just hitting perfectly perpendicular into something.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:02

Yeah, there's there's sign there's a significant amount of setup that goes into cantilevers that scares a lot of people away. With just that's just cause, you know. So it's it's uh a lot of the the last generation of cantilevers had that. Shimano had their own that their their straddle cable was fixed. And I don't think it was always in the best of ways because it it kind of I've I've used some very poorly modulating cantilevers from that era. Totally. And I think it just confused people confused the heck out of people. They couldn't customize it to the to how to make their depend depending upon how wide your rim is, you know, is also can can you're swapping washers, yeah, right. Exactly. You know, so there's a lot of factors that go in here. And then everyone moves the V-brakes, and V-brakes are super easy to set up. V-brakes have that right angle built in on top of a very high-leverage arm. So V-brakes being a linear pull, you're you know, you're you're you're solving a lot of issues there that cannile levers had. Way easier to set up, way easier to maintain, really a great efficient brake, any kind of V-brake. But not to say that you can't set up a cantilever and have the same power as a V-brake, or similar power as a V-brake. Similar satisfaction with the lever, too.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:18

So properly set up V-brake can really scratch that itch. Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:24

You're powerful. It's hard. Hits hard. That's what I'm breaking for. Uh so yeah, I guess with this listener, I would suggest uh finding some cool stop brake pads. That's a uh a big part of it. Make sure they're not old, you know, because you know, as we all know, rubber, you know, degrades over time, becomes harder.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:40

And depending on the width of the rim, make sure to get your washer spacer configuration appropriate so that the part that's holding the pad is parallel up and down. You don't want it leaning in by the time the pad is hitting or way out. You want it as close to parallel to the fork plates as possible.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:00

Go to sheldonbrown.com. Mechanical advantage. It's all there. Print it out, paste it on your walls, study it. There will be a quiz. All right, next.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:11

Next up is we're gonna go like by the bike, right? So we talked about brakes. Let's talk about the bars. Are wide bars a fad? How wide is too wide for comfort? Now remember when the UCI implemented that bar length for everyone?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:31

Wide bars is an interesting, is an interesting is an interesting subject because you have pro road racing and gravel being on or performance riding you have on the extreme opposite end of the wide bar spectrum where you have the narrowest bars possible. In the alt bike world and mountain bike world, you have the widest bars possible. And so where is the in-between? Well, I guess the in between the in-between would be like a 46, 48 millimeter wide drop bar. Centimeter, you mean. I'm sorry, I'm about the centimeter. Yeah. Why wide at the extreme end. Well, you know, it's it's when 10 years ago, 10-year anniversary here of the leather bar, as we first called it.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:18

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:18

And that then became the towel rack.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:21

Coined by bicycle pubes.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:23

Which was how wide?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:24

Well, we started I started with an arbitrary number, 666. It is not a human number. Just pulled it out of a hat. It is not a human number. And so I sent that to Matt at Crust, and I said, I want a wide drop bar because I had been riding only the nitto noodle in size 46 that I would flare out more so I could get the widest bar possible to fit my huge bags. And so Matt had this bar handlebar made. It came to me and it looked just like a it looked just like a like a Nitto randoneering bar, but it was 666 mil centimeters wide. And I have a photo of it. Well, put it in the show notes of me getting this handlebar ten years ago and holding it out in front, and it's it's it looks like it's as wide as I am tall. Matt, I remember Matt saying he was coming from New Jersey with it, and he was taking the train up, and he's like, I can't even fit it on the train. So we're gonna take it in a cargo. He thought it was so and I get those handlebars, and to me, I put those on my bike, I was like, wow, this is comfortable.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:29

And I was able to bike into a shopping cart.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:31

Turn my bike into a shopping cart. Yeah. And, you know, I to tell the truth, I mean, really in the beginning there it was all about fitting that giant uh the the large Fabios chest, which also also came out 10 years ago. Um and so just incorporating, I was kind of building the handlebar around the bag. I got a lot of questions back then about wow, this handlebar is way too wide. Is it too wide? And I said, well, maybe you should maybe you, you know, maybe you're thinking too narrowly, you know, widen your horizons, expand. And, you know, I don't think it's I don't think it's any, you know, any any stretch of the imagination, stretch that all the handlebars at this point have been stretched. To me, it was a real moment a few years ago where I got to ride a friend's bike and it had a richie handlebar on it. I think like the beacon or the it was wider, it was like wider than 666. And I was like, holy cow, like this is like there are like handlebars are freaking wide now.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:29

But nowadays they're shrinking back down.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:31

So very, very popular. I've been shrinking back down for the last five years, but it's a train, you have to train. Like, I I realized how weird those handlebars look.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:40

Now I there's some bites I was servicing at the shop that had a 140 millimeter skim and maybe a 34.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:47

Well, that's we're talking gravel, we're talking green linear. We're talking that's the other end of the spectrum.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:53

That's the performance point.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:54

Yeah, that's usually arrow. Yeah, arrow bars. That's the other end of the spectrum. I wouldn't say that's the alt bike spectrum. What's the that's the racer end of the pointy end of it? Whereas in alt bike, it's yeah, it's all about wide bars.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:08

Is tour divide alt bike?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:10

I'm sorry. Would tour divide be alt-bike? Yeah, yeah. I think well, non-racing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're racing, you're uh you gotta have your arrow bars, I guess. Otherwise you'll have nerve, you'll have nerve, you'll have nerve damage.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:20

Totally.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:21

Racing is definitely incorporated into alt bike. It's alt bike is all just holistic cycling. Are you in it for sport or are you in it for lifestyle?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:30

It's a Venn diagram with sport and alt, and in the middle, there might be the tour divide bikes, right? Where it crosses over.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:38

So these wide handlebars for me, getting out of one.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:40

Or some of the cool gravel bikes too.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:42

Forget getting out of wide handlebars for me was was you can't just do it. Just like you, you I had to wean myself off centimeter by centimeter over the past five years. But I went, I went, I I mean, my rope, my road bike, both of my road bikes, my one of my two of my gravel bikes, like they're all on 38 millimeter handle bars, centimeter handlebars. 38s are what I went to. Now I am built like a missile. Like I don't have shoulders. So it's it's something that's looking at them now. There's no. So I can go pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:17

Yes, you have sloping shoulders.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:20

But they're very narrow also. They're narrow. They're made of cornbread. And they're also made of cornbread. So, you know, going narrow for me wasn't a big deal.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:29

You also stretch every night, which I think helps if you're gonna go really quick into something.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:34

I just wanted to decrease my frontal area because I'm getting older and I want to ride faster because I want to see more things. So you want to be more air on the and we stopped touring for the most part, so I don't have to have a large bag on the front of my bike. Like tour divide, you know, like something like that, or just our old lifestyle. I needed that large chest in front.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:53

Because our whole life was in there, our whole life was in there.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:55

And so the handlebars, I don't spend lunches in there. And I'm a drop bar guy. I'm a drop bar guy. You know, I like overwhelmingly, I put I have drop bars on nearly all of my bikes. And so that drop bar had to be wide to fit it all. And it was supremely comfortable to have all those hand positions. So I don't, you know, depending upon your use case, I don't think you can like you know, like wide bars are great. It's your use case scenario. If you want to go a little bit faster, you've got to decrease your frontal area. Constraints you're working on. Yeah, it's constraints, you know, it's depending on what kind of bike.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:27

You want more stuff to fit on your cockpit, you know, because when you're touring, you need your little garment, you need your like accessories up there. You you need a you'd be surprised at how quickly you fill up a wide bar setup if you're on tour.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:42

And you're touring the way that we're touring, aerodynamics are not a factor.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:46

At all. At all.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:47

You're going like you're going 10 miles an hour, folks.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:50

At the fastest. At the fastest.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:52

So just have a comfortable bar. And if that bar is wide, that's that's great because you've think about it, double the width, double the hand positions.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:59

How big of a flat screen TV can you fit on those bars on tour? So you could just be watching Love Island as you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:06

Yes, precisely. Yeah, you can make an iPad on there pretty much. You can make this so much more enjoyable.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:13

All right. Let's uh let's do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:14

So not a fad, not a fad. I feel like uh there's room for everything. You know, we live in this we we you could have it all right now. We and I think that we should really take advantage of that because look at all we don't have. Just look at Love Island.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:28

Look at Love Island. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:29

Look at the poor people on Love Island.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:31

Actually, they're doing just fine. Thank you. Carlin and I are very happy. Uh any last words, Jory, on the what what's your final take on the wide drop handlebars?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:43

Yeah, I think that you're working, you're working within some constraints, be it cargo carrying capacity, body dimensions, aerodynamic concerns. They all kind of bump up against each other in a little triangulation of butter zone. Somewhere in there. Mm-hmm. Butter zone. You're gonna find the bar for you. I generally err on the side of slightly wider commercially available bars. I don't do a lot of mods, but yeah, what's your what's on your super something? Yeah, now I'm uh everything I'm on. The one out there is I have those NV gravel bars that are extremely comfortable comfortable. Carbon fiber bars really up the comfort level a lot. But on every bike at home, I'm a noodle guy, 48 centimeter noodle. Which is uh to me an extremely wide bar.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:32

Noodles.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:32

Yeah, 48 noodles for me are no flare on it. I came from the noodle off of off of off of like a Dedakoff cockpit in in 2009. And the noodle changed my life. And since you since you grab that long ramp, you have all that. I like that long ramp, but nowadays I like the I like the randoneering bars. Yeah. If I'm gonna do long ramp, I like the randoneering bars because they already have a built-in flare. They have like a little bump on top. It's just a little bit I like I like them better than the noodle. The noodle for me, it I don't like how it kind of the top of the bar kind of goes downwards, slopes downwards. Like I want that top of the bar to go upwards, if anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:16

So um aesthetically, which is probably another area that should bump into that sweet spot butter zone. You know, what's the bike looking like as you're staring at it from afar and you spot it exiting the natty G's and you're looking for your ride, and you think, God, that bike looks good. How's it sit? That's important. Yeah, how's it sit? How's it stance? Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:37

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:37

That's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:38

So, yeah, that's a that's a big deal. You find your sweet spot in the constraints.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:42

Always the most asked question, right? On bike picks.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:48

I change my handlebars constantly. There is no right answer. Like you just you gotta get a bunch of rolls of new bombs in your in your bar in your in your bike, in your shop, your home. You buy that new bombs at Costco because you're gonna be switching bars a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:01

New bars, new bike? I always say, okay, let's move on to tubes, tubeless, and TPU.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:06

Oh, a great question.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:08

Talk to me about these three T's.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:13

Yeah, for me, tubeless was tubeless was a big game changer, and I was in on I was in on the ground floor when you had to make your talking Elmer's glue. Yeah, we're talking, we're talking, you know, we're talking real early days of tubeless. I was there for I'm gonna say 2009 again. 2009 is when I did my first tubeless setup.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:32

Yep, Barack Obama was president.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:33

And you had to get the stands like there was a stands insert that you put onto your rim. Oh, before even that. Oh, I'm gonna go. Cafe latex and glitter. Cafe latex and glitter, but you had your cut tube. Well, that that that was ghetto tubeless, but you can't say that anymore.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:49

You just did.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:50

I'm surprised you just did. I did, because I'm I'm I'm a shock jock. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:55

Wrong limb.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:57

Yeah. So uh limball. So you know I wasn't gonna say it, but you brought it up. I'm sorry. Oh, and no, so the first, yeah, the first official official tubeless product would be the yeah, that that little rim bed. It's a gorilla gorilla tape. Well, gorilla tape came out, came gorilla tape still works to this day. Like I have gorilla Yeah, you're uh you're a bike mechanic, so you don't like gorilla tape because you're just you're just too sticky.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:22

Okay, calm down.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:23

It seems like it really loves I don't know if it's just anecdotal evidence for me, but it seems like every gorilla tape rim strip I pull off. Well, some reaction that happens with the glue and the sealant and especially aluminum nipples, that it just absolutely eats them away. There's just powder left. Stance tape, plastic tape, rim strips, all the other stuff, it can get sealant leaked in there. And it will. And it's and it and it will, but it doesn't seem to have that same corrosive potency as the so short, so short, you're saying gorilla tape short term, definitely better. Gorilla no, gorilla, yeah, gorilla tape does a pretty good job. Because I actually that permanent stuff, yeah. The heavy permanent stuff really gets a good gets a good seal. But uh I don't know what it is with the gorilla tape adhesive, some kind of chemical reaction that happens. Um I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm just noticing things where there's nothing, but it could be with a certain sealant. It really eats those nipples up. I mean, they're just pulling it up. Eats the brass nipple or an aluminum nipple? Aluminum nipples.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:29

What sealant are you using?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:31

Primarily stands, mostly stands is all we're doing. But you see it, you see everything come through the shop, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:38

I uh I've been using gorilla tape on my tubeless setups off and on.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:44

Exclusively?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:45

Off and on for since 2009.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:48

And I've found that I still have some rims that I set up in 2009. Uh if I set them up today, they would still work with that gorilla tape. Same gorilla tape. If I had left on just you know, a stands or a terra veil or a knockoff rim strip, like you like, you know, you're gonna get you got to check those pretty much every time you're taking the tire off. You have to be careful taking the tire off for sure. You don't want to be able to do that. It slides off. Like it, it's just not to me, it's uh really finicky. If you click in rim strips, I couldn't believe you're clicking rim strip.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:21

You're able to I set up a race casing two-inch tire with a pump. Without even taking out the the valve core, you didn't even remove the valve core, just aired it right up.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:31

I don't know. So tubeless is a tubeless is a mistress, a cruel, cruel mistress. Again, trade-offs. There are so many trade-offs with tubeless, just like those trade-offs with tubes. The your trade-offs with tubeless are a bit more complicated, not a bit more, but much more complicated. I I think it's after running tubeless for a while, if you've done those with all your bikes, the second you gotta just change a tube out in the field, it's quaint because you're like, wow, I just gotta change this tube and it's done. Whereas tubeless, the variables like is a laundry list. It could be a rim strip, could be your valve core, could be the sidewall, you know, it's tear, it could be a puncture, it could be weeping, you know, it's there's so many different things, it could be, you know, it's just on and on and on, and it can drive you crazy. So I say if you're gonna have, you know, I always have like one bike set up, tubeless, maybe two, out of like maybe the 10 bikes, no, I should say out of all my bikes in the in the barn, there's probably only like six that are ever ready to ride. And I'd say out of those six, two are gonna be tubeless, the rest are gonna be tubed. Um my Rivendells are are I'm not concerned with their speeds, so those are gonna be butyl tubes. I was formerly a big latex tube fan with my road bikes, but I think the from my experience, any latex tube that is available on the market today is likely 10 years old at this point, and they're not making any new ones. Yeah, and so it's funny, they just spontaneously fail for no reason at all. Uh it's just been sitting on that bike shop shelf. Exactly a long time. So I would not at this point, I just flat out would not trust any latex tube out there anymore, unfortunately, because I did love the way they rode.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:08

Yeah. So you know, T feeling on the hand is really nice too. Like it feels really great on the hand. But if you could take them and turn them into like tube tops or something, that would be cute.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:18

Some dresses, generally pink, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:22

Yeah, yeah, it'll be it'll be beautiful, a little dusty.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:25

The TPU thing has really uh intrigued me in these past few minutes.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:28

Before we get to the TPU, um when would you definitely go with a tubeless versus a tubed? Like you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:37

Out west, um yeah, out west, especially if there's gonna be goat heads, cactus, cactus, um places where you know everything is like on the east coast here, the everything has kind of been mowed down by the glaciers. Like our rocks aren't nearly as sharp. You can get away with running real light tires, and so you can get away with oftentimes with running, you know, a TPU tubed light casing tire without any issues. But out west, things are a little different.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:06

What do you think in Montana, Jory?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:07

Oh, I don't touch tubes of any type whatsoever. Everything's tubeless for me. Just yeah, I all of the I've done some pretty you know coarse and abrasive writing in Montana. There's a lot of it. Some deserts, some thorns, but yeah, tubeless has just been I don't touch my tires. I install them. I might add a little sealant through the life of the tire till the tread's gone. Then I pull it. Tape's usually fine. I've got tape that's been on there for professionally installed here, folks. Professionally installed tape, it is all about the technique when you're installing the tech the tape. Yeah. That makes a huge difference. If you're so I would bring your wheels to a professional to have that tape job done. And if they unless you're really good at it. We even the professionals, I've seen some horrible things out there. Passed off as professionals.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:00

I had a real bad one more recently where you know I was just like, oh my god. And I knew I knew it wasn't gonna work, but I tried to do it. And it didn't work. It's rough out there. It's rough out there. So you're you're tubeless all the way. Tubeless all the way. All day long. Yeah. Now every bite. Now, you know, there I remember a ride that we went on in Arizona where I was on a 26 where you couldn't have a tubeless setup, so to speak. So I was not that I would have, but I was running, I was running that muck-off strawberry-flavored sealant inside my tubes.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:30

Was this the may I suggest a figure eight?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:33

Yeah, yeah. I take a tube. I take a tube for those kind of like extreme situations because there's always the option.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:40

But I was getting punctures left and right. Yeah, we put five D. Things seal. I mean, this happens with tubeless setups too. Things will seal and then you let your you leave your bike out in the sun and the direct sunlight, and that sunlight, that UV melts the little uh the the hole that you know through the hole that it your tubeless salin just sealed, and then your all your air goes out. So I I always say that, especially with light casing tires, keep them out of the sun, like no direct sunlight. And also don't store your bike with the tires on the ground either, if it's gonna if you're gonna be if it's gonna be a week or so, especially because your tubeless setup is not as airtight as like a butle tube, like it's gonna, you're gonna lose air. And the more you lose air and the more that you know the tire just sits on a crease, the more it's gonna degrade because the ceiling also degrades the sidewalk.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:28

That's yeah, that's that's the other thing is also I'm always replacing valve cores. Pretty frequently. As soon as I'm feeling like there's like a little bit of a slow leak or something, I'll just replace the valve core preemptively without even trying to find it with the soapy water and everything. And only it's almost always the valve core.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:45

I we answer a lot of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:46

It's always the valve core. That's a good tip.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:47

Yeah, a lot of old dynamico um customer service questions, people being like, My tires just won't hold air. What is going on? And I mean, for eight times out of ten, it's the valve core. Okay, and then you want to blab it on the tire.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:00

Yeah, yeah. Doing the valve too, the little rubber stopper on the back. I've seen that failed more than a couple of times when it gets nutted down really nice and tight and kind of pulls it through, and you get a little micro fracture in that rubber core.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:12

There's so many factors in tubeless. Really, folks, I would not recommend it unless you know what you're doing. So overwhelmingly, or if you like process and I'm not sure. Like to me, even now, like like I've been doing tubeless since 2009, and I'm still like I still go back and forth. So again, I'm a special case.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:34

Yeah, I'm you are a special case because the you do have so many bikes you juggle. There are so many moving parts in your life. I think your style is very different than Jory's style. Jory's very like organized and you know, methodical, and you are more playful and you like to pull things and half the time that tubeless sealant isn't even any good.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:00

We had we ran into this a lot, being the pandemic, the the shops ordered like tons of sealant, and that sealant has a shelf life. And Orange Seal is really good about it. They put it, they put an expiration date on the outside of there, but a lot of places don't. So oftentimes people are at a shop buying sealant that's five, six, seven years old.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:21

Would raw milk be a good substitute?

SPEAKER_05 1:26:23

Probably better, probably better than single herd origin. Single herd origin is a great substitute. True. Yeah, it actually is true. It congeals.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:31

Okay. Well, there you have it. TPU's milk.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:34

So TPU TPU.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:35

Let's go to TPUs. TPU talk about it. What is it? TPUs. What is it?

SPEAKER_05 1:26:39

What is it? What is TPU? What's the uh acronym?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:43

Oh no, that's not what I meant.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:44

I just think are these new plastic tubes that that um super light. They weigh they weigh like a third of what a butyl tube weighs. They fold down, they weigh less than the tube of sealant that you're putting in there. They fold down to nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:57

Size of a critical.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:58

Now there are there are there are brands out there that are selling these things for $30 a pop. I think $30 a pop at cost, I've seen some. For one? And you're talking about thermoplastic polyurethane. There we go. We're talking about thermoplastic polyurethane. So these tubes have very low rolling resistance, as low as latex. I think maybe less than, but maybe slightly more than tubeless. Is that the consensus? The tubes themselves? Yeah, the well, I'm saying when you're using as far as rolling resistance goes, with with so butyl is the worst. Oh, then it goes, then it goes latex, then it goes TPU, and then slightly better is CNOT. It's tubeless. So it's marginally better. Yeah, marginally better. We don't know how many pros out there are riding TPU is at this point either. So but the it's a relatively it's new to this, the newest kit on the block.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:46

I have seen some pro bike chats that do include a tubeless setup with a rim strip and tubular glue bead along the edge of the rim. Right. Just to as extra. Insurance that that thing's not coming off. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:01

Now these are this is a race setup. Got to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:04

That would be for like Perry Rubay or something. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:08

Yeah. Rig. There'd be a lot of maintenance. So all you mean. I say you don't necessarily even want to look at what the pros are riding because they are not this their use case is so not relatable. They have completely unrelatable. Attending to their bike daily. So for me, the TPU is the perfect balance between all of this. And I'm not paying $30 for a tube. Talk about it. I'll get these things straight from China. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:32

And it's got a direct line.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:33

Yeah. I mean a hole that is dug all the way. They're you know, you could look at there's the ride now ones are real popular. You get these for like $8 a tube or so. So I I keep I I the thick, thick Vic or something, the yellow ones. I love it. Whenever during the spring fling, a bunch, I mean, everyone was getting flats, and we kept on being like, oh, what color are you? Everyone's got their own color of like Amazon TPU or Alibaba TPU.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:59

I did see your assemblage, your collection in there.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:01

Yeah, yeah. I like the yellow ones, whatever those are. I can tell. I've had the fancier ones, like from Perelli. They're no better. And I think that that's been proven. So just get the cheap ones and get a lot of them. And you know, it's they're fast, they're light, they're definitely perceivably faster for me than than Butyl. And don't you have to install them properly. You can a lot of people, I've seen a lot of BFT installations on these things where people put, you don't want to undersize it like a lot of people tend to do. You know, oversize your TPU tubes. Shout out Ken Avery at Vittoria, talk told me this little nugget, was telling me on a ride last year. He was like, What do you think the future of Ken? I hope you don't mind me sharing this. It's at the end of the sentence it's a minute, an hour 30 in. I know you listen. There was a he was claiming that the future of gravel is TPU and perhaps sealant inside TPU. And and but you can't undersize, you know, you keep you have to oversize your TPU. So if you oversize a butyl tube, the weight penalty is in the hundreds of grams. But if you oversize a TPU tube, the weight penalty is like in the tens of grams. And so, you know, it's and TPU doesn't stretch like butyl. So the more you stretch it, the less supple it becomes, also, because think about it like when a material is a bit looser, it's softer, you know, but when you stretch it out, it's hard. And so when you have a material like TPU where it's stretched to its maximum, like a drum, it's not flexible. You want that tube to be flexible so that you have a more flexible ride. So over and also, you know, when you're pulling a material tight like that, just like when you're when you've got you know your tires overinflated, you're pulling your sidewall tight so it's more susceptible to sidewall slashes. You know, with TPU, it's the same thing. So you know, you don't want to stretch that material to its maximum, especially not TPU because it's not very stretchy.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:57

So because it's not stretchy, what about like when you're folding it up to the size of a credit card, kind of, or your thin wallet? What about the valve core? Like when you fold it down, does that usually tear away from the it can.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:12

Yeah, it can if you're not it really used to happen with latex because latex gets real fragile.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:17

I think that's my experience with the latex. But does that happen a lot with the TPU direction?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:22

There are some valves that are better than others. Look for metal valves.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:26

The metal ones are better than the plastic ones. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:29

Yeah, definitely. Always look for the metal valve. Right, right. And they usually come with like a little cover over the valve so that it doesn't like puncture the rest of the tube.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:39

Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:39

You know, I don't, you know, I don't want to like you don't want to pinch them like too tight in there. And always have because in my saddle pack where I just wrap a tube and a bandana, I could fit in for the space of one beauty tube, I could fit three TPUs. So I just pack three TPUs in that bandana in the back there. So I'm set. If I get a flat, I know what I'm doing. I'm replacing the tube. I'm not fucking around with spinning my wheel around trying to get the hole to seal. Like, you know, you know, it's just uh it's like, oh no, guys, I'll put a plug in. That's gonna get me a few miles, I think. And then you're flat again, and your your ride partners are like, God damn it. Just put a tube in. No, I won't give up. I won't give up on this tubeless. I won't give up. Give me some more bacon. Yeah, more bacon, another another strip. Whereas you could just change a tube and be on your way in five minutes. So less.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:31

And then you're always the one having to loan out your frame pump because no one else has no one else has.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:35

No one's got a frame pump. Yeah. So yeah, that's my frame pump. Have you used any TPU tubes? Do you have any? Uh not on any of the phone. You're a tubeless guy here. You're full tubeless only. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:46

Moving on down from the wheels to the crank stets. What are some wide-range doubles that are fairly easy to find on eBay?

SPEAKER_05 1:32:55

Well, uh one of my favorite subjects, as we've touched on before, the crank is the centerpiece of the build, and it could so it could ruin an entire build just on the crank saddle.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:05

I agree. It's the heartbeat.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:07

It's the heartbeat of the bike. Saddles are important, but you can cover your saddle by riding the bike. Can't do that with the crank. So, you know, the crank set for me, I like a five-arm, you know, choose charm, choose five arm. And forearms to me, forearm cranks, really the decline of human civilization. Then you're thinking 110 B C D. That's what you're going. I'm going 110. I'm 94, even more so. So, really, folks, 94 is what you want. Now, these are the micro drive cranks, the the the compact crank, the compact little brother of the 110 BCD. 94 B C D. You can have so the range that you the smallest ring, so 110s are easily available. 110, 5 arm, till the cows come home. 94 5 arm, very rare. Not very rare, but just more rare. Expect to pay more for those. And they're probably gonna be pretty hammered. Yeah, yeah, you know. So 110, what's the the small so you're we're basically changing a triple into a double here, okay? So we're we're not concerned about the granny gear. We're just talking the two outer ring BCDs, the middle and the outer ring. So 110, I believe the smallest you can go is a 33. You got to get those from TA in France, though. Um I keep a few in stock here just for my own stuff. But so if you're doing 110, which is a standard, you could do whatever you want on the outside, but I I generally would run like a 48, 33 for a road bike with that kind of crank set.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:40

48, 33.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:41

But you're gonna have a hard time finding that 33. Most of them are 34. So then when it comes to 94 B C D, okay, smaller bolt circle diameter. You've you can do whatever you want on the outside. I'll oftentimes do a 46, 29. Now, that 29 tooth, again, you got to get that from TA in France. The 30 tooth is more readily available, but even so, that is to me a classic subcompact, you know, rendineering gearing. That's the stuff that that's in real life, real-world scenarios where you have hills, that's that's generally the gear range that I have on all of my doubles. And what kind of eBay search terms are you typing? So I'm trying to find, I'm searching for 94 B C D crank set, searching for micro drive crank set. Some of my favorites, you know, the Suntour XC pros out there are really good. The, you know, the Ritchie logics are really good. You know, there's a bunch of like boutique cranks like the Kukas and Raceface and like, you know, top lines, Grafton, things like that that are out there that are also general have a lot of 94 B C D options. Again, make sure you check for cracks before you ride these things because uh, you know, it's these are old parts. You know, it's not always they're not always going to be in the best of shape. So, you know, those are the those are the cranks that I like. Now, the key factor here is that those cranks were meant to be used generally on 73 millimeter wide bottom bracket shells to get the right uh chain line for a 135 spacing in the rear, which is standard mountain bike spacing, you know, mountain bikes post like 1995. So, you know, you've got to if you want to adapt this for a 68 millimeter bottom bracket shell for your road bike and or gravel bike, you kind of gotta do something funky with the bottom bracket because that 107 or 103, you know, um JIS spindle on there is not going to get your cranks in far enough to get the right chain line or or an acceptable Q factor. Q factor is the quack factor. That's how far apart your feet are. You want those, in my opinion, they should your Q factor should always be taken into consideration. And it isn't anymore in modern bikes. Uh outboard bottom bracket bearings. Outboard bearing, yeah, outboard bearing bottom brackets, your your feet are way the fuck out there. Uh so you're dragging more, you know, you're more susceptible to pedal strike when you're going around corners. You're you just your hips have to be wider. It just doesn't feel natural to me. You're riding a hog. So, you know, that's one of the great things about you know square tape or spindle crankset systems is that you could suck a man further than you would with a an outboard system. So you're gonna want to get an Italian ISO bottom bracket here, okay? Spindle-wise. It's because you'll still got to fit in your 68mm English bottom bracket shell, most likely. Put spacers. Yeah. Well, no, we're not talking spacers here. Okay. We're not putting this on a 70. Oh, yeah. Go on. So you're getting an ISO. Generally, Campingola, Campingola made the best bottom brackets ever. And I look for a chorus or a campy, or a chorus or a record bottom bracket, 68 millimeter shell, and a 102 spindle ISO. I'm using those JIS cranksets on the ISO spindle, another Sheldon Brown trick, and that gives me another few millimeters to suck those cranks in as far as possible. If that's comfy for your body, if your hips do require.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:20

It's gonna give you a better chain line.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:21

It's gonna give you a better, because you want that chain line to match up with the big your your climbing gear in the rear, because that's when you're really mashing. So the the the further in you can get those cranks, the better chain line you're gonna have for when you really need to have a better chain line.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:34

That's a good point, but your point, Jory, is you can get in, you know, the $18 Shimano BB UN or whatever, $300 size to your shell. Or maybe run a little spacer. But it's also just some people's body and their hips do not like a tight Q factor and need that extra distance there between just for you know ergonomics, fit, comfort.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:03

Maybe they came up on super wide stance mountain bikes, and it feels real weird for them to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:09

It might just be a uh nature thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:12

Wider hip. Very narrow person here, so yeah. I I like to keep it tight. Uh that's also just read a Charlie Cunningham thing. That's what he was all about, too. So uh I I what a narrow person, also a footbinder, like you. Also a what? A footbinder. A footbinder.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:31

Yeah, yeah, binding your feet.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:34

All right, well, I wow, we're at an hour 40 minutes now.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:38

I mean, this is this is the good stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:40

This is all the good stuff. You better you better hope that you're still here with us right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:43

I mean, you know, Sally did say that she jumped to the pervert section. So this is for you, Sally.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:50

All right.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:51

I hope you jump to the pervert section again because we did do a lot of tour talk in the beginning.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:57

This is for you, Sally! So, you know, uh, wrapping all of this fan mail up, there's been a lot of questions about music to turn it a completely different direction. We talked about Jory's band, Stonefruit. Uh, check them out. What are you super into right now? I'm into music-wise. What are you listening to when you're riding your bike?

SPEAKER_05 1:40:23

Oh, when I'm riding my bike for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:25

Are you listening to music actually?

SPEAKER_05 1:40:26

Yeah, well, was I just yesterday I was listening to music while Will's riding my bike. Yeah, I'm gonna go. I think, you know, my I think I was listening to Mount Mountain, uh, which is kind of like some real like kind of like shoe gaze, more like I guess like stoner shoe gaze, like our Australian band would recommend.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:48

Thanks.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:53

Indie Dream Gaze. Yeah, indie dream gaze for Stonefruit, Jory's band.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:57

Yeah, check that one out.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:58

Yeah, but then there was also my my my my uh hip-hop moment.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:04

Yeah, that's right. Talk about that. What was that all about?

SPEAKER_05 1:41:07

Uh it's you I think you could talk better about it than I can. Because I don't even know. I already it's Hugh Chad Hugo from Nerds. Knights.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:17

Big news here. Big news.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:19

Chad Hugo from Nerds.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:21

From N-E-R-D.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:22

Knights.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:24

And N-E-R-D.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:25

N-E-R-D. Famously tied with Pharrell, who's the designer with Vuitton right now. And made the song happy. So I uh yeah, so I got a few messages on Friday morning that I got a shout out from New York City rapper Le Kelly47, who did that song. That shit is a girl blunt. I only smoke girl blunts. You know, that song. Very, very cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:58

I loved the video once we put it on. I was like, dang, and I thought the song was really good too. It's not, I'm not like a hip-hop guy by any means. The track is Jump Up Winya. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:08

Jump up Winya.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:09

An exclamation point instead of the eye.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:11

Tier Oak.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:12

And Lake Kelly 47.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:14

Lake Kelly 47. The line is then I hit the road like I'm running romance.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:21

Yeah, that's right. It's the mic drop line.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:24

Yeah, it's the final line. It was pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:27

Thank you. That was really cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:29

That was really cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:30

Yeah, so maybe these tens of millions are coming.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:33

Yeah, right. Um, it was it was really wild seeing you in Rap Genius. That was a really cool moment in my life because I learned English kind of on Rap Genius. So that's that's wild.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:48

So um, that was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:50

Mm-hmm. Yeah, because of that, I was I've just been listening to uh Girl Blunt on repeat. So Tirawak is also cool, Philly rapper.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:02

So you just never know where bikes are gonna take you.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:05

Yeah, I just I don't understand the connection. She must have like Googled like who's a cyclist and saw you. I I don't know why she would shout you out like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:14

Well, I mean, come on. Yeah, you give me some credit.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:19

I got street smarts.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:20

It's true.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:22

She she really landed on him, too. It was Yeah, I'm a city. Yeah, I could be a I could be persuaded to be a city boy for a few hours.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:29

For a few hours, you can.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:32

The lyrics here are risk and reward. I'ma always take a chance. Betting on myself is the way I enhance when I touch the room, get him at first glance. Then I hit the road like I'm Ronnie romance.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:46

Drop it, children.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:48

I think we should end today with that.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:51

Folks, check out the song in the video. I think I put I put it out in our last uh our last description. Yeah, link in the description. Yeah, we'll put the link in the description. I also sent it out in the last newsletter because we currently have uh CR1 road bikes for pre-order. So that's it, folks. This is a long one. I hope you've enjoyed hanging out with us here.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:11

Uh sorry, thank you for hanging out with us. Of course. It has stopped raining.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:15

It has stopped raining, right? We could definitely go outside now. And uh yeah, that was really, really fun hanging here, guys. It's been a very sweet visit. Yeah, we miss you in our lives. Cared for. Well, folks, I hope you find someone out there to care for you or you're caring for someone else because that's what this is all about, isn't it? So, you know, perhaps I take back what I said about Tade and Del Toro, but the more I think about it, nope, I have nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:41

He's digging it in, but you know, on the eve of your birthday, you can do as you wish.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:48

That's right, that's right. Make sure you like and subscribe. That's what I want for my birthday present, everyone. All right, let's hit the stop button, and everybody, we love you.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:59

Bye. Bye.