and THAT's a pod convo
Welcome to #andTHATSaPodConvo
We aren’t your therapists, but with our wild takes on pop culture, sports, and the “piping hot” local or “organic” tea, we might as well be. Consider this your official invitation to the conversations that happen at 2 AM, or after a round of drinks, or ULTIMATELY - you weren’t supposed to overhear.
and THAT’s another couple of gays with a pod
Look, we know. The world probably didn’t need two more queer men with microphones, but after the thousandth time we said, “Man, if we would have recorded that, it would’ve been a goldmine,” we realized we were doing the public a disservice.
So... we finally hit record.
and THAT's a pod convo
Ep 2: and THAT’s a new HOST! 🎙️⚰️✨
Use Left/Right to seek, Home/End to jump to start or end. Hold shift to jump forward or backward.
Well… after only one official episode, Josh is no longer with us.
No, seriously. Gone. Vanished. Taken by the podcast gods. Thoughts and prayers. 🕯️
So naturally, we did what any emotionally stable podcast would do and immediately replaced him. Enter ... well you will fnd out — their qualifications?
Obviously their resume includes trauma, chaotic opinions, and the ability to survive a group chat.
This week on and THAT’s a pod convo we spiral through:
💚 and THAT’s Shrek’s 25th anniversary
Because somehow Shrek shaped an entire generation emotionally, spiritually, and romantically.
👯 and THAT’s iconic duos
Best friend dynamics, chaotic pairings, and what truly makes two people insufferable together.
🥛 and THAT’s food intolerance
At what point does your stomach become your biggest opp?
❤️ and THAT’s your type
Red flags, green flags, dating delusions, and the horrifying realization that sometimes your “type” is just emotional instability with good eyebrows.
📱 Plus another round of and THAT’s 1 thing Straight & 2 things Gay — where we answer advice/questions that absolutely should’ve stayed in the group chat.
It’s messy. It’s dramatic. It’s concerning how quickly we moved on from the original co-host.
… and THAT’s a pod convo. 🎤
Robert Thompson's TedTalk:
Dragging Your Identity into Something Fabulous
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SPEAKER_02Welcome back to the group chat. Welcome back to And That's a Pod Combo. I am sure if you are watching our Patreon or you're watching our video, you are noticing that Josh looks very different now. Um but Josh is no longer with us. He's fine. He just went on to go do bigger and better things. Um so I found someone else with another Jane name. This is Jed. Jed, this is his audition for episode two. To see we're about to just run through it and make this like America's next best podcast host. But Jed, welcome to the podcast. Welcome to essentially me asking you to fill in, be our next host, at least for the time being, until you decide you also want to do bigger and better things. How are you doing?
SPEAKER_03I'm doing well. Uh a lot of trigger words that are, you know, coming out audition, bigger things, filling holes. And yet I'm sitting here on a couch. So we're uh So you're I guess on the right track.
SPEAKER_02So you're doing everything. You're doing literally everything I do. Casting gig, right?
SPEAKER_03Just need to set up the tripod. What are we talking about? Uh we're talking about nothing. It's fine.
SPEAKER_02Oh gosh. Okay. So, Jed, have you ever done a podcast or anything before? Any recording?
SPEAKER_03Uh no. Uh I don't even know that I've actually listened to a podcast before.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I know when I recorded episode one, which was rough to begin with. I already know, so you might be saving yourself. That's fine. I was like, do you have Spotify? No. Do you have Apple Podcast? I don't know. No.
SPEAKER_03Didn't know that was a thing. I'm old.
SPEAKER_02Do you really not have it?
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_02I think it's just included with you having an iPhone.
SPEAKER_03Well, I I never said I was smart. Uh that's for sure. Yeah. Um no, I don't know. I could look through my phone to see if I have one, but you don't even have to look.
SPEAKER_02You can literally just type podcast when you scroll down. It's okay.
SPEAKER_03Okay, if we're not already showing, I don't know how to work. No, that that's okay.
SPEAKER_02We're aging ourselves.
SPEAKER_03Not a problem. I attempt to be pretty.
SPEAKER_02I don't always succeed, but what are you laughing at?
SPEAKER_03Myself.
SPEAKER_02Fair. I hope the the audience or the listeners are also laughing as well. Um, because that's what I need. I need some comedy. I need some banter. I need someone who's going to cut me off. I mean, I'll cut a bitch, but I was like, that was literally your your cue to cut me off. I did not do it. It's okay. We'll pick it up. What the fuck do we talk about?
SPEAKER_03I mean, we could talk about whatever you want. Like, what's a recent movie that you watched? I know I um what was the one that I watched? Fuck, what was it? It was with a Swan Princess. I was like, it's the one with a swan. Swan Princess.
SPEAKER_02I haven't seen that in like how old am I? 30, 30. Like 20 years.
SPEAKER_0465 years old.
SPEAKER_02Wow. Definitely not that. Um, no, I haven't seen that in like 20 years, but honestly, that doesn't sound any better because it 20 years ago I was 11. So an 11-year-old boy in the closet watching Swan, like actually that tracks. Never mind. That actually makes a lot of sense.
SPEAKER_03But like the banter that's like with the frog and the puffin, just like fucking love that shit. Um, yeah.
SPEAKER_02What are other characters that have really good banter with each other? Timon and Pumba. Tamon and Pumba have good good banter. Um Shrek and Donkey have good banter.
SPEAKER_03Oh, classic, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Also, also, if you did not know, I think a few weeks ago it was Shrek's 25th anniversary. Oh, God. I know. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. One of my favorite scenes, one of my favorite scenes from Shrek, obviously, first off, Shrek 2 is the best. Um, fairy godmother's singing number. Oh, come on. Iconic. Yes. Wow. And then every drag queen decided to do it, so you know, but it was inspirational, not inspiration. It was, it was, it was. I mean, that's like I mean when like Chad Michaels does share, but it's so good, you're just like, I can't, I can't not watch Share 2.0. Um, one of my favorite scenes is when they're like asking Pinocchio and they're like, is that lady's underwear? And he's like, no. And he's like, no shit.
SPEAKER_03Oh, and he's wearing the thong. It's not.
SPEAKER_02It's not. And it just keeps growing. That shit is funny as fuck. But yeah, 25 years of Shrek, while iconic. What is another good bantering group? Let's see.
SPEAKER_03Are we gonna stay in the Disney realm or go a little bit more outside of it?
SPEAKER_02Well, Shrek is universal. First of all.
SPEAKER_03Well, yes. Well, Disney Dreamworks. Um, are we are I guess the question is are we sticking to like animation or going to like realism to where it's like, hey, Alexis and um David.
SPEAKER_02Alexis and David. Wow.
SPEAKER_03Yes, they do wonderful banter, but I feel like Alexis on her own could also just banter to nothing, and it's wonderful. Same with Mora, but God rest her.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, don't even gone too soon. And I was even more upset that I know that they were considering even doing a film, and then now like Right? And now it's like they're like, no, we can't.
SPEAKER_03Which is I hate it, but I get it. Like 100% get it.
SPEAKER_02No, accurate, it just wouldn't be the same. Also, you begin if you begin the movie with like that sad port because they would pay like homage to her, obviously, they're not gonna like continue or try to replace her. I would be like, We're the best best part of the show is gone. I don't know what you're talking about. Right. Little Bebe.
SPEAKER_03So, random question. And because I'm like ADHD brain. Uh is it homage or homage? Because I've heard it both ways. I feel stupid when I say homage.
SPEAKER_02It I think I think there's an H in it, but Okay, well that's also like is it hordeours and hors d'oeuvres? I don't know, just whores, but I'm there whores. Whores divorce. I was about to try to like I'll try I was trying to make it into something or her or anywho. Are you okay from Shits Creek? What character are you?
SPEAKER_03Oh, uh That is really interesting to say because like I'm definitely not one of the main four.
SPEAKER_01Well, you're as much as I would love to, but I know I don't give main character energy.
SPEAKER_02But yeah, you don't sorry.
SPEAKER_01I don't know.
SPEAKER_03I think Tallahassee, is that her name? Or Tennessee? The girlfriend of Mutt for like two episodes, which is like really ditzy and just like she takes shit too seriously at a times that makes no fucking sense.
SPEAKER_02What's so funny is you're like Mutt.
SPEAKER_03I mean that probably wouldn't be too far off.
SPEAKER_02I actually think you would be um God, what was Alexis's boyfriend's name?
SPEAKER_03Ted.
SPEAKER_02Ted, you give like more Ted energy, where it's like just enough there to be part, like, oh, he's a recurring popular character. And when he's gone, you don't really miss him. Yeah, no, because the other four just have your attention. Like, but yeah, no, I think you're like a Ted. Because he's nice, he can be ditzy, but then he's also like he's not stupid. He just has very uh selective intelligence. He has kind moments where his his kindness takes over. Yeah, I would say Ted. That's a good character. He looks good with his shirt off. Uh-huh. Thank you. I never said you.
SPEAKER_03I don't think I do. No, but so you were already comparing, so I just drew the parallels across. I mean, that's fine, and that's fair.
SPEAKER_02Go ahead. Make yourself feel better.
SPEAKER_03I would not I do. No one else they all really don't. No, I'm kidding, but wow. Wow. Do you need to unpack that? No. No, at least not. I'm also really great at uh self-deprecating humor, so if no one's gonna tear me down, I'll jail myself. If I didn't learn to laugh at myself, I would have killed myself years ago.
SPEAKER_02And what did we say earlier? Why are you so funny? Trauma. Literally, yeah, no, a hundred percent. I think of the original four, because I'm obviously one of the original four, I am definitely a David with some Alexis characteristics.
SPEAKER_03So why would you think that?
SPEAKER_02Because I I I've taken like three or four quizzes at all.
SPEAKER_03Oh, right, because those are so good. Are you team Edward or Team Jacob? Like, come on.
SPEAKER_02Uh I was actually team. God, what was the big Emmett?
SPEAKER_01Who?
SPEAKER_02Emmett, he was the the big the vampire, but with like the big muscles.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, I liked it. I watched the movies, I didn't read the books. Oh, well, I mean, he's in the movies. I remember him from the movie Immortals. He's Rosalie's boyfriend or husband or whatever.
SPEAKER_02He's a thing. Do you know Rosalie? Do you even know Rosalie? Do you know Alice?
SPEAKER_03Uh was she the one with the shock power? Alice was the one that could see the future, right? Yes, Alice was the one that could see the future. Was Rosalie the one that could like shock people? No. She just was a bitch. I mean, different shock factor.
SPEAKER_02No. Uh, but I the funniest part is that I found Emmet very attractive, but I was definitely and You and every other gay boy. Not just because my name was John Jacob, but I definitely do ri resonate more with the wolf pack, but that's also because I'm not I wasn't white like the vampires.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I thought you were gonna go like a hairy bit, like down to bears and shit.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I'm definitely not hairy though. That's the other thing.
SPEAKER_03No, but what you're into. What are you into?
SPEAKER_02What am I into?
SPEAKER_03Um wolf or a bear. Does it breathe? I mean, if that's the line. The bar's low.
SPEAKER_02Like the it's like it's in the ground.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the bar is so low, it's freaking in a basement.
SPEAKER_02Like I think I would even say like a basement is too nice for that bar.
SPEAKER_03Like it's in call it a speakeasy.
SPEAKER_02Keep it classy. There you go. At least make me feel better about my my low bar. But that's like on the first episode when like Josh was talking, like, oh, bartender like remembered me. It was sweet. And I said, wow, the bar is really low for some of us out there. No, what is my type? Like I said, does it breathe? Does it have a thready pulse? Doesn't even have to be a strong pulse. But at that point, like make them be rich and older, and then like I have a chance of becoming like a billionaire. Yeah. What's your type?
SPEAKER_03Uh employed. Okay.
SPEAKER_02It's a good characteristic that not many people think of.
SPEAKER_03Apparently not. I want them to be hot. I like my height or a little bit shorter. How tall are you? Uh how tall am I, or how tall do I say that I am? Oh why lying?
SPEAKER_02How tall do you say that you are? I say I'm 5'10. You say you're 5'10? Okay. Yes.
SPEAKER_03And then you are. I'm like technically like 5'9.5, 5'9 and 3 quarters, but I'm like, I am taking that extra measurement because what guy doesn't. Are you that short? I slept really bad.
SPEAKER_02Am I that short? Sorry. It's just like that you were taller. But like, oh I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Who's lying? Who's filling themselves up?
SPEAKER_02Um, I have started saying 5'10 and a half.
SPEAKER_03Oh. I gave up the like partial measurement because no one really cares about any of that. Like if you say, oh, I'm 5'10 and a half. Oh, you're 5'10. I round up. You round up.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Exactly. You know that rem so that reminds me. I have so I used to work at a really big company that's a really big amusement park. You guys can read between the lines and you guys can decide whatever. But I worked with someone who she was a taller female. She taller for females. She was like 5'10, whatever have you. Um and we had a coordinator who was like 5'8, 5'9, whatever. And he would like hit on her. Um, I mean, granted, he kind of hit on most of the girls there, but he just was so awkward that it was just kind of like classic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and I'll never forget in front of everyone at work, she goes, Hey. Do you know what we call anyone under six foot leftovers? No. She goes, our friends. And he just like, his jaw just dropped like and she was like, there's someone out there for you. It's just not me. She's like, There is a height requirement for this ride. Sorry. And I was just like, Oh my god. We never let him live it down. We always had to look down to him, down pun intended. I mean, but on a literal standpoint, you kind of were literal standpoint, like absolutely. Oh gosh, I don't even know how we got here. Your type. Sorry, continue.
SPEAKER_03I mean, that's the number one thing, employed. Uh yeah, I like my height, roughly. Um can be a little taller, a little shorter, perfectly fine. Um, because I can't, uh, I do like a beard, or at least someone that has the ability to have a beard. Um Yeah. Like it's there, there's not a lot of like like strict requirements for me. Um she's easy folks. Because as cringe as this is gonna sound, uh, I do care really about your personality and whether or not we can mesh. Right. No, I'm not saying like, oh, they haven't had a great personality, they have to do this, they gotta be this. We like we just need to mesh because it's like if we are completely polar opposites, shit ain't gonna work.
SPEAKER_02It explains quite a bit, actually. But that that's for like later episodes or whatever have you. Okay, so if I'm gonna be real serious, uh gosh. All my friends know this about me. I never like this is my number one thing. Um I love a redhead. That's like, oh my god. Like, I don't know what it is. I think it's because like wherever when I where I grew up in South Texas, there those didn't exist. I like I when I saw my first redhead. Where was I? It was it was in Florida when I moved to Florida, yeah. Uh first redhead, and I just was like, oh my god. First off, what are you doing here? Your freckles are gonna attach. Like it's wait, what? Yeah, like most redheads do have freckles, but it's like when you're in the sun, you're not, you don't tan, your freckles just connect because you're being I was like, what it what the f your freckles are gonna attach?
SPEAKER_03Like they don't come off. Like no.
SPEAKER_02What the fuck do you mean? No, but that's like one of that's also so God, it's too early for a Christmas episode, but that is one of my favorite lines from Home Alone. Where she's like where God, she's so like, oh, he doesn't need sunscreen, his freckles just connect or some shit like that. I just love it because he's a redhead. Oh um, but yeah, love a redhead. They don't like me. Oh god, no, it's like a lost cause, but that's also that's fine. Um height doesn't really matter to me as long as yeah, you're five, ten and a half. Yeah, I'm like towering over people. It's perfect height, it depends, like whatever happy. But no, I will say that I don't know if I could see myself with someone that's like six eight. Like, I'd be like, okay, like but then even on top of it, like no, I won't.
SPEAKER_03You'd want to be on top of it.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna say, I was gonna say, like, it's like it's also crazy because in the gay community, I won't lie, most of the people that are like above six five that I have met, they're all bottoms, so it's like okay.
SPEAKER_03It it it it's weirdly proportionate that way, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02Like it like it's kind of like uh that wasn't what I was expecting, but also has now become truly what I expect because then you see these like under five, nine guys that are like, Yep, I love Topin. I'm like, okay, Pinocchio.
SPEAKER_03And a Mickey Mouse voice than everything. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like alright, Pinocchio.
SPEAKER_03Okay, sure. I just had a mental image of like here's this like short king behind like a really tall guy going, woo.
SPEAKER_02God, Pluto style. Exactly. You get it? So this world. Um notice how I didn't even say employed, and I guess that is a very important thing. Um, because you know what? Money money doesn't matter, it's about your dreams and aspirations.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but bitch, so is food and shelter. Money doesn't matter, we'll live on the street.
SPEAKER_02No, you will pay your fair share. You're absolutely right. I hate I hate when people are like, it's not about the money. I I mean it doesn't all have to be about the money, but like to your point. You still gotta live. I still wanna eat. Like, I still big back, big back, blonde, bad built bitch baddie. Have you heard that when who was it? God, she was the old congresswoman, I think, from Texas, and it was like against my. Marjorie Taylor Green, and she's like, if we're gonna call someone a bad bleach blonde, big back, whatever.
SPEAKER_03Oh, are you talking about Jasmine Crockett?
SPEAKER_02Yes, yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_03She ain't old, bitch. She's our age.
SPEAKER_02No, not, but I'm not saying her. I was talking about old bitch Marjorie Taylor Green. Oh. But no, like, God, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_03Like, whatever lately.
SPEAKER_02Well, because I will say, like, oh, and maybe this this is probably not gonna go on the pod because I don't want to get too political too quickly. I need to build a fan base first. I can cut this out. But like for me, like, I was actually talking to Josh about this, and I said, I think it's crazy that even after, especially this year, people cannot even bring themselves to at least say maybe we made a mistake. You don't even have to admit fully that you did. Like, just to even say, like maybe we didn't make the right choice. Nope. It's like it's like with for every wrong thing that is happening, they like double down.
SPEAKER_03I mean they don't call it a ride or die for nothing.
SPEAKER_02I'd rather ride. Not surprised. Yeah. Anywho, what were we talking about before we got to Jasmine Crockett? Oh, my type. Because I never got past five, like the height didn't matter unless they were like six, eight. So redhead. Or employment. Yeah. Redhead, roughly my t like roughly my height as well. Um employed. Honestly, you have to. I bet you can't steal my list. Come on. Yeah. I don't think it's that like, oh, I you can't steal my list. I have I think it's just true. Truly, as you get older, you just like realize that like good looks ain't gonna pay for like unless you're this famous actor, singer, model, whatever, your looks, regardless of how attractive you are conventionally or whatever, isn't gonna put food on the table. Like, that's not and those that shit will fade eventually unless you get enough Botox or whatever have you. So, like Can't get it if you don't got money.
SPEAKER_03Can't have money if you don't got a job.
SPEAKER_02Right. So I think it's just like I think as people unless you're a whore, but but you know what? Sex work is real work, so it is fucking work and it's hard fucking work. No pun intended. Well, it can also be soft. Depends on the soft sensual companion. Yeah, just honestly, like I'm really I I'd be a whore for like cuddles, at least. Like just you actually don't even need to pay me.
SPEAKER_03Just like and if it slips in, it slips in, right? Is that your next line?
SPEAKER_02Oh god. No. I am a good Christian man.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, on your knees and twice on Sunday.
SPEAKER_02Wow. Wow. Wow. Anyways, back to what I was saying. Or even doing the motion with your neck. Like I just think, sorry, I sh I rem- I gotta remember this is a podcast where I need to vocalize what's happening. I just flipped, I flipped Jed off. Anyways. So no, I just think that as we get older, we like our priorities just get more aligned to like the life we truly want.
SPEAKER_03You're trying to achieve, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um I also think that people's type changes over time too. I just don't understand because I've always dated older. That's just like what I enjoy. Um I just don't understand sometimes like when we get when men get to a certain age and then they like drastically date younger. And that's both homosexuals and heterosexual men.
SPEAKER_03Like I mean, I'm sure there's like tons of like backing of why that is, such as to me, it's the like attempt to reclaim youth. And like no, and it's not it's seriously. No, you're so fucked up. You're right. But it's to reclaim youth. It's like, I want to feel younger, I want to be younger. If I hang out with someone much younger, I'm just like them. And be like, no, you're just gonna look fucking tired and you're gonna hurt a lot more.
SPEAKER_02You're gonna age yourself even more.
SPEAKER_03That part. But then also, like, specifically in the gay community, it's we have like there's the Peter Pan syndrome. I need to be young and pretty and youthful forever, or I'm not gonna be desired. It's like, well. You're gonna age no matter what.
SPEAKER_02And so you see, this is why I think more people should take on my tactic of if you're never desired, you don't have to ever worry about this.
SPEAKER_03That's a thing.
SPEAKER_02Uh if you're never young, beautiful, and pretty or desired, then I don't ever have to fucking worry about it.
SPEAKER_03Or we could encourage self-appreciation. Gosh, that's like of which even with in as as stupid as like, you know, what is it? Like, um, I don't know, like a youth guidance counselor or something. Like, hey, you need to love yourself and be like, well, no, you just need to learn confidence, which is a skill. Okay, RuPaul. Because confidence draws people. It's giving RuPaul counselor. And you know what? Head of a fucking empire, I will take it.
SPEAKER_02That's true. That's true. Uh no, but that also reminds me of the hot chick where it's like, oh my god, you look so good. Are you eating less or barfing more? Barfing more. As you bite into a muffin. As I'm eating my muffin. Bitch, I'm hungry.
SPEAKER_03Oh gosh. Hey, carbs is the most stable relationship in my entire fucking life. We won't get into that one. When has a carb betrayed anybody? Never. Well, unless you know they're allergic, then that's their own problem.
SPEAKER_02But that's not even carb turning on you. That's your body turning on you. Unless your body hates yourself. Yeah, your body's like, we're we're not gonna do this anymore. I'm not gonna let you enjoy life. Like, same thing with like lactose intolerant. I also feel, and I'm about to maybe upset the whole lactose intolerant community, but like I just couldn't I could not live with cheese and ice cream and like I couldn't.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like and most people that are lactose intolerant don't live without it either. They take a pill, they take a thing, or they just suffer through it.
SPEAKER_02So that's what I'm saying, though. Where I was going with that, it was like to be lactose intolerant, or even now, um what's the correct verb when you're gluten intolerant? Uh like you have celiac disease or whatever have you.
SPEAKER_03Um there's that, or yeah, or just gluten intolerant.
SPEAKER_02Whatever. Maybe you know what celiac disease gives it a like a more professional nomenclature to just be like because it kills the cilia in your intestines. Yes, but no, what I'm trying to say is if you are like lactose intolerant or gluten intolerant or whatever have you, no, you're just an intolerant bitch. Like, I cannot, I can't handle you. You it's like someone who's vegan and is like doesn't fail to remind you that they're vegan or vegetarian. They like don't fail to remind you, like, I have a I I am lactose intolerant. And then you're just like, is that is that ice cream though?
SPEAKER_03Well, that's a type of vegan, though. Because like, I mean, I we all know the vegan that's like has to bring it up, has to try and convert you, or like has to make you try to feel bad about whatever. And then like I do have a friend who is vegan because it's what their body can only eat and process.
SPEAKER_02Right. And um does that friend remind you though that they're vegan all the time?
SPEAKER_03No, like they don't.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Exactly. I think there's also a difference though, like if you're vegan and it's like you're really trying to promote, like I know some like most people would like go vegan also because of like cruelty of animals and how like how that happens, like fine, like whatever have you. But if you don't, if you don't have a like anything type of like why you're doing it, like genuinely other than like I'm just vegan. I'm like, okay, no, like you don't care about like the animals, like you're not allergic to like everything, and they're like, no, I'm just vegan. Okay, you're choosing unhappiness in my eyes.
SPEAKER_03I don't understand veganism, like those who need to be so dramatic about it. Right. Like I don't get that because it's like you never hear the arguments of like, hey, what is the amount of usage of like water, food, land when it comes to raising like cattle versus the destruction of land that needs to happen in order to grow crops for vegan consumption. Because it's not like, oh hey, we just grow plants. It's you are sterilizing the ground. That's killing any mole, any mouse, any insect. I mean, you aren't killing thousands of creatures. Yeah. As opposed to raising a cow. Or just like how I don't even know. I mean, we have so many different plants that have been, you know, genetically modified to grow that we can now eat. Like how broccoli is like a like several different things come from just broccoli now. Uh but if you go back like when they're like, oh no, no, everyone like was vegan back in the day and organic and da-da-da-da. I'm like, well, no, like majority of plants made people, humans, sick, if not killed us. We did eat meat. Like, we were hunters. Like, that was what we did.
SPEAKER_02I wouldn't, I wouldn't have been a hunter. I definitely would have been the like entertaining, the entertaining caveman.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I'm sure you would have been entertaining the caveman.
SPEAKER_02I don't see a problem with that statement. I literally would be like, I I get fed. Are you tense? I can relax you. I my gosh, how was it hunting that bison? You almost died. Here, let me massage your leg. Like, yeah. And then go up from there. We can only go up from there.
SPEAKER_03I mean you could go down.
SPEAKER_02I'm not a foot person.
SPEAKER_03Wasn't meaning that down. Alright. You strictly meant direction.
SPEAKER_02I don't I don't have this nasty mindset you do. Silence. A part of me is not gonna I'm not gonna lie. A part of me was like, silence?
SPEAKER_03I'm not as dirty as you as you are covered in mud.
SPEAKER_02No. Also, that moment of silence, I was like, I can't tell this is silence or internet connection, like getting lost. Like it was you are so still. Good job. No, that was really great. I don't even know how we got here, and I'm trying to find our way back to at least some con how do we come full circle?
SPEAKER_03Usually in a circle jerk, but the these that's naughty.
SPEAKER_02No, only on days that end in Y.
SPEAKER_03Gotcha.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That's a good Christian boy that you are.
SPEAKER_02Like that won't happen on Sunday, yeah, because it ends in an A. Monday ya.
SPEAKER_04What?
SPEAKER_01Bitch! What?
SPEAKER_03No. Are we gonna start saying it's Tuesday yup? It's a Wednesday yup.
SPEAKER_02Actually, that reminded me one time I was dating this guy. He goes, God, what did he say? He just was like, we we needed like we need to like do something. And I was like, no, I don't do that on days that end in why. And he was like, every day ends in why. And I go, Sunda manda, juice. And he was like, You're a fucking idiot. Needless to say, we're not together.
SPEAKER_03So like he not wrong, but yeah, he was exactly. No, so anyway, so to bring it back in, as we just talked about your ex, so your type.
SPEAKER_02Oh gosh. Um, not a Gemini.
SPEAKER_03Oh, we're going to horoscopes. Okay. So we're taking this seriously.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I can't, because there was also a period in time, I think circa 2019.
SPEAKER_04Was it 2019?
SPEAKER_03I know you're old. Memory's not as good as it used to be.
SPEAKER_02No, it was 2020. Oh my god, it was COVID. Whoa, that's crazy. That's crazy to think about. And yes, I am sorry. Like halfway through the year, yes, I started going on dates again. Sue me. Anyways, it got lonely during COVID. It was me and my one roommate, and she just wasn't gonna do it for me. Like, so can't imagine why. Yeah, I don't get it. Anyway, but no, I kid you not, when I started dating, I actually went into COVID with a boyfriend, and then like three weeks in, I was like, we can't fucking do this. And I was like, Yeah, we couldn't. Um name started with a D, Gemini. Then I go on a date with someone, their name started with a D. We're like talking, like, oh, when's your birthday? Like, whatever, like, oh, like June 2nd, and I was like, a Gemini? And they're like, yeah. And I said, literally, we're over. We had like a crab royal, like he took me to a crab royal type thing. I'm like cracking into that crab, and I'm like, I'm gonna tell you right now, this is probably gonna be our last meal together. And he's like, What? Why? I said, just wait. I like this is just inevitable, it's inevitable.
SPEAKER_03Because like this crab, our relationship is dead. Dead.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and literally didn't work. Then another guy, D Gemini, I was like, where do they keep finding me? I don't know if this is a sign, like whatever you believe in, like being like, bitch, the test is are you gonna reject these people, not continue to go out with them? Because I was like, because no, and it never worked. That's what I'm saying. It's like, I like, I was like, God, like, why do you why do you keep sending these people? Like, I don't want like the whatever. And I was like, bitch, I'm testing to see if you can reject someone and you keep fucking losing. God, yeah, so no, a Gemini can do it. No.
SPEAKER_03Someone that's good for a seafood boil. Oh, that sounds good.
SPEAKER_02I do is there a food.
SPEAKER_03I call my friend like I don't like mushrooms when they like get slimy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, first off, don't. I that that's called going. It's like to me, that's it's go it's gone bad.
SPEAKER_03Well, it depends on also like how they're cooked. Like if they're cooked at like too long, they end up getting like in like oh, just more butter, more oil or something. They get rubbery and they get slimy, and to me, they it feels like I'm eating slugs. I don't like you know, that's super enjoyable. Uh no, I don't.
SPEAKER_02You never had escargot?
SPEAKER_03I have not. You're like escarnot doesn't in that part. It definitely has never sounded appealing. Uh yeah, no. Uh what I don't like, most of it depends on how it's prepared. Like I've had whale blubber, I've had like cow tongue, I've had alligator. Well, cow tongue.
SPEAKER_02Um that's varacola.
SPEAKER_03So like uh I think the strangest thing you've eaten was alligator, but tastes like chicken. I don't even know if I'd go that far. It it like tasted like nothing. Yeah. Like had like the texture of like biting into chicken, but it did not have the flavor to him like, oh, and they're like, it tastes like chicken. Like, well, chicken's like one of the most bland things, so that's kinda expected if it's bland too.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Especially people that don't season their chicken.
SPEAKER_03I don't like oysters.
SPEAKER_02Oh.
SPEAKER_03Now, in fairness, I was like, that one hurt. First had them when they were frozen and then like put into a soup. They were extremely rubbery, turned me away immediately. And then the next opportunity was like, hey, here's this raw oyster, you know, just slurp it up. And like you know how to do very well. Yeah, I'll slurp other things up before I slurp an oyster. Um get more protein.
SPEAKER_02Uh and that's a pod combo. Right there. It's all for the protein. Oh, I hope I'm gonna get fired to that shit. Um you haven't said anything. I have.
SPEAKER_03I'll said plenty. Have you? No, I don't know what all I like. I don't like to eat. Yeah, it comes down to textures.
SPEAKER_02Imagine I just told you, like, actually we're not recording and you've just been talking shit this entire time.
SPEAKER_03I mean, you would do something like that to me.
SPEAKER_02I would. I'd be like, this was your audition.
SPEAKER_03Look at that. My shirt's staying on the whole time.
SPEAKER_02I didn't even have to use the couch.
SPEAKER_03Well, keep up.
SPEAKER_02Jed, pick a number from one through 30. 163.
SPEAKER_0317.685.
SPEAKER_0217. Why do people act like wanting reassurance is some kind of character flaw?
SPEAKER_03From what perspective? I don't know. Say it one more time. Why do people act like reassurance is like wanted flaw?
SPEAKER_02Like, no, like wanting reassurance is a character flaw.
SPEAKER_03So I guess like if you're like you're like wanting someone to like I think a lot of that stems from self-confidence and self-doubt, and they want reassurance that, hey, I did make the right decision. I'm not stupid. I mean, it's probably rooted in some kind of like childhood trauma or some kind of belief or faith in themselves. Everything gets rooted back to trauma.
SPEAKER_02Everything. Um, yeah, absolutely. And it all gets rooted back to a lot of even childhood trauma to begin with. I think they like say, what is it like between years birth to like seven years old are like the most formative years of a child's life?
SPEAKER_03Well, yeah. Um I mean, there's like more specific gaps in there, depending on what the milestone. I don't know why I'm doing air quotes, not you're gonna see it. Um who was I who was I listening to? I can't remember. But it was talking about like how uh when it comes to indoctrination of various things, whether it's religion or just culture. Customs, traditions, etc. Like in it was talking about the specifics of well, you when you lose a tooth, you put it under your pillow for the tooth fairy. If you're really good all year, Santa will bring you a present and is watching you all the time. And then, oh hey, during springtime, there's the Easter bunny. And then there's this big pivotal thing. Um, let's just say religion, that's like, hey, here's this person. And if we want to look at Catholicism or Christianity, like, hey, here's this person that came, they died, they actually were God, and they died for you, but they rose again, live in heaven, or whatever, and you can da da da da da da. But as you get older, oh, you realize, well, the tooth ray isn't real. Well, neither is the Easter bunny. And neither Don't you dare say it. But say it. But like the point is, like, you believe in your parents. Like your parents are like, oh, well, of course this makes sense. Like they told me, and they I put my tooth under my pillow, and I there's a quarter, or there's a dollar, or whatever. They must be real. My parents told me this, and it's true, and da da da da da. As you grow older, it's hey, yeah, this this is just your parents. But when it comes to this really important thing, yes, emphasis uh for that. This thing that you're gonna have questions and doubts about, mm-mm mm, don't you question that? Don't you have doubts? This is fact, this is true. But it all starts in that childhood era of building that trust and building that relationship and then like completely wiping it out underneath your feet, except for one little pillar, and that one we're not to touch, even though it's probably the most fragile.
SPEAKER_02Now I have a serious question. Are you alluding to the fact that you're trying to say Santa is not real?
SPEAKER_03Uh no.
SPEAKER_02Cause that motherfucker exists. Don't you dare. That is a real man that the only man allowed to come into my house because he really because he leaves gifts.
SPEAKER_03Shall we discuss who all has come through your house? What? Bitch! Should we discuss who all has come through your house? I have a house.
SPEAKER_02That is true, and that's a pod combo. That's a podcon. I'm trying, okay? Do you not un do you not understand the housing market, especially in Washington? It's insane. It is awful. All them bitches from California be selling their multimillion dollar homes, and they're like, what do you mean? A $500,000 home? Here, let me give you cash, and then I still have some left over. No, to go back and get out of here, sell your house, get let me, whatever. Anywho, Santa I mean, I'm very fortunate.
SPEAKER_03I was able to come into a house before everything got insane. Yeah. But I remember having some realtor friends who was just like people coming up from California and like, yeah, I really like like a two-bedroom, and if possible, a two-bath. And I have like 600,000. What can I get? And they're just like, whatever you want.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, 100%. And like, do you want land? Okay. And I had a friend that's a realtor that was like, hey, like, do you want me to like let me just like run some numbers for you? And they're like, yeah, how much do you have saved? And I said, What? I'm sorry, can you ask that question again? Yeah, like how much is in your savings?
SPEAKER_03Like, I can afford a big Mac.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I for first off, I was I said, what's a savings? Right? Like, wait a minute, wait a minute.
SPEAKER_03I think I have a buffalo nickel.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you have to make enough money to begin a savings. Okay. Not a problem. Um, what's your credit score like? Be like, it's a number. Uh, why are you judging me? The United States is in more debt than I am, and they're telling me what I can and can't afford. Excuse me.
SPEAKER_01Stop hurry.
SPEAKER_02Like, I was like, why does this need to get that personal? No. I literally went, you know what? I don't I don't need a house. That's okay. I would like one. It's not it's not my time. It's not my time.
SPEAKER_03As you approach the pearly white gates.
SPEAKER_02Besides 17, pick a number from one through 30.
SPEAKER_03Um 24.
SPEAKER_02I like that. So a guy once told me I was too independent. But honestly, I took that as a fucking compliment. I just think like I don't need somebody. I think at one point in my life, I definitely was like, I would like someone.
SPEAKER_03I don't need a man to make it happen.
SPEAKER_02No, I I definitely at one point was like, I would like to be with someone. I want to spend the rest of my life with someone, whatever have you, X, Y, and Z, this, that, or the other. Um, but definitely, like, kind of to at some point we were talking about it's just like it derived from a lack of self-confidence, of like childhood trauma, of like needing to be wanted. And now when people are like, you're too independent, then isn't your life fucking easy? If you were to be with me, I then don't require much from you. Would that not be what you want? But then that I think is the other side of trauma where someone's like, I want to be X, Y, and Z for you because that's how I get my fulfillment. I don't think one is better than the other. Actually, you need to work on both.
SPEAKER_03But it's also very, I would say counterintuitive because it's like, yay, I'm super independent, but what's the one thing that you want to feel needed? But you don't want to let yourself feel needy.
SPEAKER_02Why'd you have to say it like that?
SPEAKER_03Because vision's how you are. I am not needy. You're like, I can take care of myself, but I would love it if somebody took care of me, but I don't ever want to give the impression that I want to be taken care of.
SPEAKER_02Uh Okay. You don't have to read me like a fucking book. Moving on, pick another number from 130. I didn't like the reason. Three. Oh god. I've been talking to this guy for four months. Sorry.
SPEAKER_03What are you gonna follow up with? He's the one.
SPEAKER_02No, he Like the one, the one that's gonna leave, but I I thought, uh, and that's one thing straight and two things gay. Um, no. I've been talking to this guy for four months and he still introduces me as my friend. At what point do I become a citizen in this relationship?
SPEAKER_03Well, what's the sitch? Like, what's what is the situation ship in this? Like, oh hey, we only see each other once a week and all we do is mess around. Are you like what is going on? I think that's like if you gotta put a boundary situationship. Yeah, you're a friend with benefits. We're just not calling it that.
SPEAKER_02I think like, okay, do you think that there's a difference between a situationship and friends with benefits? Uh I okay, so let me I gotta think on that one. Yeah, because for me, I would say Friends with benefits is a situationship with boundaries.
SPEAKER_03Because I would say uh friends with benefits is a situationship that removed boundaries.
SPEAKER_02Did it remove them or were you like, no, we're getting into it?
SPEAKER_03As opposed to like if you're on what are the I don't know, what are the kids doing these days? If you're on like Tinder or something, uh that part. And you know, I gotta feel alive.
SPEAKER_02Uh oh, you'll feel very dead afterwards.
SPEAKER_03I wouldn't know, but I would be there.
SPEAKER_02I would not be there.
SPEAKER_03Um, have you seen? I would say a situation ship is like when you've met someone in a dating situation versus a friend like someone that you've known. A situationship is like, yeah, we're like talking and we've messed around and we or like we do more than that, but there's nothing that extends beyond that.
SPEAKER_02Have you ever been in a situation ship?
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_03So again, totally outside looking in.
SPEAKER_02Like, yeah, no, because as someone who has been in a situation ship, it's like kind of like the opposite, actually, because you meet someone and you genuinely feel a level of connection, but one of you or both of you are not in the like right space, right time type of thing, like whatever have you, which I think is which I don't like to believe like right person, wrong time, because at the end of the day, it's like, no, then that's not the right person.
SPEAKER_03Either that or like a situationship is like both people are like, well, what is it? But no one's gonna ask.
SPEAKER_02No one, but also no one wants to nail it down because there's I think also a huge fear of commitment there. And so when you're just going through like a situationship, when you're just going through a situationship, you're living in ambiguity, which to me is you did not lay a boundary. So that's why I say friends with benefits have more boundaries.
SPEAKER_03Would agree with that to an extent. To where it's also, and I've only said I only say this because of friends that have like the apps, is I don't want to nail it down. Various ones. I mean hookup apps, fuck apps, anonymous apps, dating apps, whatever the fuck, right? Anonymous apps.
SPEAKER_02We're talking about sniffies. Oh, we are that's crazy, crazy work, anyways.
SPEAKER_03Go but like what I mean by that is the whole or a potential viewpoint of yeah, the whole holes. Um always more than one. And anywho You're like, wow, not distracted for a little bit. Like I'm trying to think of like the proper way to say it. It's like, hey, we don't I don't want to nail this down, and neither person wants to nail it down for the sake of like the instant gratification of there's someone else quite literally at the end of my fingertips that could be better. And I don't want to settle. And we've created this like horrible fear of settling when settling does not mean bad in instances, it means so it can mean so many different things. Like, hey, I didn't settle for the guy who makes a million dollars a year and said he makes two hundred thousand. Oh, you settled. Bitch, I would love to make that fucking kind of money. But like, what are you settling from versus what are you realistically able to attain? And let's not get that twisted. You you might not be a person that's ever going to find someone that is six foot four, makes a million dollars a year, lives somewhere where it's always warm. You may never meet that fucking person and you're like, oh, I had to settle instead. Like we live in Wisconsin and he makes $400,000 a year, and instead he's 5'10 and a half.
SPEAKER_02Uh I think if you think of it, if you think of if you ever think of who you are with as settling, they're not the right one. You like that can't be.
SPEAKER_03I think that's not fair. Because why is settling always negative?
SPEAKER_02I think there's a difference between you settle for someone or you settle down with someone. I don't think like settling is necessarily bad, but to say like I settled for them, it the literal connotation, denotation, whatever that we want to give it is like he stayed with what in some cases was easy. Like, huh?
SPEAKER_03I agree. Like that absolutely happens, but everybody settles. No one's exception to it. Literally no one, even when the person says, Oh my god, I met the person in my dream.
SPEAKER_02That's why I have seen it. Everybody settles.
SPEAKER_03I have yet to settle. You have uh bullshit, you already have. As you said earlier, as you get older, your wants and your desires change. That is settling.
SPEAKER_02But is that a negative or a more evolved form of my wants and needs?
SPEAKER_03But that was that's literally what I fucking said. When it's like, why is settling always viewed as negative?
SPEAKER_02But that's why I'm saying then I wouldn't view that as settling. I would view that as it is an elevated decision.
SPEAKER_03It is the same coin. You're just looking at it from a different angle, a more positive angle.
SPEAKER_02Or negative, depending on how you look at it. Is this our first fight? Oh my god. Will we get through this? Let's put it in a scrapbook. Uh on the next episode of And That's a Pod combo. Oh my gosh. This was fantastic. My people will get with your people. Um, we might have some other applicants, but I really, really enjoyed your bent turt. I it is it is like almost 1 a.m. You might work at 5 30, you might not. Nobody knows. You'll you'll find out tomorrow morning. But Jed is going on a cruise next week. So that's exciting. Have you ever been on a cruise before?
SPEAKER_03Uh I have not. I'm mildly terrified. Uh I mean, should we all talk about Titanic? Uh exactly. As any you know, 12-year-old kid, I was obsessed with the Titanic story.
SPEAKER_02And I bet your favorite part was the scene in the car. In the car? Yeah, the car in the movie, Titanic. Their sex scene. Hand on window. No. Have you seen the movie? In the car? Do you know who Kate Winslit is?
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna need to remember okay. I have not the movie came out in what, 97? 96? Anyway. I haven't seen the movie in forever, but I do not remember a thing in the car.
SPEAKER_02What do you m oh my god, you just also you know what? You just upset Kiki Palmer.
SPEAKER_00Okay, well, cool. I don't know who Kiki Palmer is.
SPEAKER_04What?
SPEAKER_03Okay, pull your testicles down.
SPEAKER_02I'm sorry. Hello. Oh my gosh. We're gonna have to educate you before the next episode, because my potentially. That's it.
SPEAKER_03I have not seen the movie and I don't even know how long. I when I first watched the movie, it was still on the two VHS tapes. What's a VHS? The same thing where your college graduation was filmed on.
SPEAKER_02What's a college graduation? Oh, right, that's right. You didn't graduate. Uh uh, excuse me, I have a whole ass master's.
SPEAKER_03I am sure you have a whole master. You want a man the film?
unknownOh.
SPEAKER_02Uh now we're getting chaotic. Now we're tired.
SPEAKER_03Now bitch, I am so fucking tired.
SPEAKER_02What what did you do today?
SPEAKER_03I worked.
SPEAKER_02Do we sitting at your job? Sitting at your desk at home?
SPEAKER_03I'm sorry that apparently my job requires a lot more brain activity than maybe yours does.
SPEAKER_02Uh, you don't know what the fuck I do day in and day out. Same. It's brain activity plus a minimum twelve thousand steps a day. And then I go to the gym afterwards. Because a bitch just trying to lose 31 pounds in nine weeks. Are you eating less or barfing more? You decide.
SPEAKER_03But anyway. A shot. Oh, I was like, a shot of what tequila. Be the on get on the azempi.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, I can't. That like that that like kills your your not just your fat, like it's your muscle at w as well.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's an appetite suppressant. So yeah.
unknownBut no.
SPEAKER_03Your body eats your fat, your muscle. I mean, there's more studies coming out that it causes osteoporosis because you're not gaining any you're not eating, so therefore you're not getting any nutrients.
SPEAKER_02I mean Yeah, no, I couldn't. Not me. But anyways, like I said, once again, Jed, I hope you enjoy your cruise. You're gonna I've never been on a cruise, so I can't tell you what you're gonna experience or not experience, or how many holes will get filled or not. Um I'm I'm talking about the buffet line. Okay. Buffet line. And drink packages. Yeah, 100%. But like I said, really great job. Thank you for being with me tonight. It was very impromptu. I kind of forced Jed to jump on because I said, Oh my god, we were talking, and I said, You're kind of funny. Stop talking. I need that for the pod. Then he would say something else that was fucking funny, and I said, Shut the fuck up. I need that content. Like, stop. You're gonna have like give me one second. And then he's like, um, someone's calling me, left me hanging for at least 30 minutes. I was like, Okay, well. So are we doing this or not? And then I kind of forced, I kind of forced him on. So he did I didn't even give him a chance to charge a laptop or anything. I said, Grab your phone, let's see if it works. I'm gonna send you the link. Do you have airpods? And he said, I have both headphones. Both, so we know what tax bracket is. Shameless playing. And we are not sponsored by both yet. But if you wanna, you know, let us know. Let us know. But go ahead and follow us on Instagram at that's a pod combo. Follow our Patreon. If you are not following our Patreon to get the video, you are only literally getting half the story. Jed makes enough funny faces that he'll keep you coming back for more. And who knows? Maybe next maybe next time he will take off his shirt. You don't know. I don't know. And that's a pod combo. Gotta go. Bye. Say bye.
SPEAKER_01Bye, bitch.
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