Chronic Pain Isn’t Forever: Daniel Esposito’s “Undo Method” + The Comeback Story

What if chronic pain isn’t the end of the story?

In this episode of Behind The Story, I sit down with Daniel “Dan” Esposito, creator of the Undo Method, to unpack his decade-long battle with chronic pain, multiple diagnoses, and feeling like he couldn’t fully show up for his family — and how he rebuilt his health from the ground up.

Dan shares the turning points that changed everything: what didn’t work early on, the first real “breakthrough” moment that gave him hope, and the core framework behind the Undo Method — a combination of a chronic pain playbook plus his supplement approach (“Flexibility Fuel”) designed around the way he thinks pain gets “stuck” in the body.

In this conversation we get into:

• Chronic pain loops: inflammation, soft tissue/fascia, and why it can feel like your body is “on fire”
• The castor oil / lymphatic story that became a major early “signal” for him
• Fasting timelines (autophagy + longer fasts) and why he believes it matters for recovery
• Breathing through the nose, nitric oxide, and the “simple” stuff people overlook
• Food choices, omega balance, and why he became extremely intentional about what’s in his home

Note: This episode is for education and discussion, not medical advice. Always consult a qualified clinician for personal health decisions.

Transcript

speaker-0: ⁓ with the recent medical intervention that's happened with the entire planet a couple of years ago, it's creating leaky cells and it's leaking cytokines, right? And so those cytokines is the start, you know, kind of the second start of the inflammation process. So if we've got all these leaky cells, you want to be fasting. So you can either repair them or if they can't be repaired, they're too far gone. your body tells you to get rid of them. So if you're dealing with inflammation and maybe you stopped, you're on a low inflammatory diet, you're still dealing with it, you might have all these cells that are left in your body that just leak in the inflammation signal.

speaker-1: Welcome back to another edition of Behind the Story. Today I'm joined by Daniel, Dan Esposito, creator of the Undo Method. After battling autoimmune issues and multiple chronic pain diagnoses, Dan is committed to healing himself naturally and the results were so strong he returned to elite competition as a national champion sprinter. Today, We're going to be talking about pain, recovery, and what it really takes to rebuild your body after you've been diagnosed with a life-threatening ailment. Let's get into it. Dan, welcome.

speaker-0: Johnny, thank you so much. I appreciate you having me on your show.

speaker-1: It's my pleasure and thank you for being so gracious with your time. And let's get right to the heart of it. From a personal perspective, talking about you, Dan, what did your life look like before chronic pain entered the picture?

speaker-0: Life was great before chronic pain was a handsome young mobile. was a great dancer. Yeah. It was my superpower when I went out to the nightclub, you know, I didn't even need to talk to women. It was, you know, add all this fluid movement. You know, I was a professional football player. had four contracts in the NFL. Didn't last a full season anytime, but you know, made my dad really proud. He's been bragging on me since, you know, for the last 20 years now and, ⁓ You know, I was in the banking industry. was doing very well with Washington Mutual and then that business, that mortgage business ended and then kind of the beginning of it. I mean, I was still playing sports. I was still playing rough touch football, doing all sorts of stuff. And then when I started this other business and right before my first son was about to be born, everything just started going south. Like I started getting stiff and I'm like, why am I getting stiff? I'm always the most flexible guy. you know, on any team or group of friends or whatever I was doing. And then all of a sudden I'm losing this mobility. And I thought it was just like a passing thing at first. I was like, ⁓ you know, I just, you know, I did, did, haven't been working out as much or something. You know, I couldn't figure out why it happened, but you know, not having that information, I just kind of let it go. And then I was like, my hamstring started hurting and I couldn't really run much. And I was like, well, I'm just going to let it rest, which is one of the worst things you can do. like long-term when you have, uh, just when you're healthy or when you have chronic pain and, uh, things got progressively worse and worse and worse and worse. And then I, uh, I was like, this is enough. I got to figure this out.

speaker-1: That must be one of the hardest things to deal with as an athlete, somebody being kind of like a superman, for lack of a word, and then all of sudden to feel compromised. That must have been more adversity to deal with than playing football, for example.

speaker-0: Yeah, mean, movement was my superpower, right? I mean, I was strong, fast and flexible. Like, you know, I wasn't always an athlete. I was only athletic my whole life. I didn't start playing football. I was a senior in high school. So like the loss of football, you know, didn't really bother me. I was still, you know, I was in it for the movement. I'm in it for the competition. Um, it was really the turning point was when my second son was about to be born. You know, I was diagnosed with degenerative arthritis, fibromyalgia, frozen shoulder, restless leg, spina bifida culta. I was a four joint replacement candidate and yes, 265 pounds and life was terrible. ⁓ I wasn't able to serve my family. Right? Like I think that's kind of what we want to do as men is be useful either to our family, to our coworkers, our friends, you know, we need to. find our little niche so we have a place and I lost all of that. You know, I'm just this, became this anxious, depressed, just, you know, a shell of who I was before. yeah, there's just, there were no answers out there. And even when I would talk to my surgeons, they were like, ah, your muscles are tangled. I'm like, well, what does that mean? You know, like it didn't really give me anything to be able to look for, but you know, by the grace of God and you know, the universe directed me. in certain ways where I kind of just fell forward into figuring these, or really just asking the right questions, which made me research and I was psychotic about it, like learning about the body and learning about chronic pain and any condition that could possibly be contributing to chronic pain. I researched that and I basically came down to five things that are happening in the body plus diet and hydration. So was really seven different. key factors that are really driving chronic pain. And the funny thing is, is one creates the other and then that creates the one that just created it. And it just becomes this vicious cycle of things that are going on in your body that unless you know how to help the body remove them, they just keep building on top of one another. It just becomes like this soup of mess in your soft tissue and in your fascia. And when that happens, everything hardens up. A lot of these problems are actually proteins that are hard and then they start rubbing up against your pain receptors and your pain receptors are all over your body and they're aggravating them. constantly sending signals to your brain. So now your brain is overworked and anxious and you you find yourself talking fast too much. You're like, ⁓ I got to slow down, but you can't because this anxiety is happening. So I just kind of became annoying at the same time. You know, it was, it was tough, man. I mean, it was like 10 years of my life that I lost. Not completely, man. A lot of good things happened along the way, but it was every movement and even not moving was me negotiating with chronic pain and not just a little bit of pain. It felt like my whole body was on fire internally.

speaker-1: What was it like mentally for you when you realized after the diagnosis and knowing your track record that this was not going to be a temporary setback, that this was going to be life going forward? What was that like mentally?

speaker-0: Yeah. So I got the diagnosis of fibromyalgia first from my chiropractor and I don't even know if I ever heard of it until then. um, I didn't even research it then. I was just like, Oh, it just means I'm stiff. didn't really understand it. And then a few, a year or so later, when I got my last, last two shoulder surgeries, uh, I was diagnosed with a generative arthritis and I was like, this doesn't make sense to me. I know I'm not degenerating. Right. It's like, I'm still, I was still strong. mean, I was, you know, really strong and, know, I didn't really look like my body was falling apart. was just inside. There was all this pain. And so I just didn't believe in the diagnosis. along the way I had gotten other diagnoses like, you know, my left elbow was hurting and the doctor told me it was wear and tear. And I'm like, well, I'm right-handed. So why doesn't my right shoulder, my right elbow hurt? Right. Like none of it was like adenov. And I just kind of, you know, right before my son was once like three months before he was born and I'm 53, he's eight. So I'm an older dad. His mom's quite younger than me as well. You know, two 65. And I was like, okay, I'm going to fix this. I said it out loud. The universe heard me. I didn't know where I was going. I made a couple of wrong moves at the beginning, but along the way it just became easier and easier. It's kind of like reading a playbook, you know, a football playbook, right? You look at it the first time, you're like, I'm never going to figure this out. And that's really how I felt jumping into it. And anybody who might jump into this as well and kind of follow my lead, ⁓ they're going to need to rewind and listen and Google terms and, you know, really kind of dig down. I mean, I make it pretty easy, but You know, there's words that you don't hear and you don't have any conceptualization around them. And so I was just in a complete 360 of trying to figure out which direction I was supposed to go. But you know, everything that is in my program and in the supplement that I created, there's so many studies out there that backs up. the mechanism of action, like my whole thing is what is the mechanism of action? What is actually happening in the body? when you do something like breathe through your nose or do grounding or acupuncture or take a supplement like B propolis or pineapple powder. So when you start learning with these mechanisms of action or you can't deny that science, it's not science based on studies. It's science based on observation. Like you're watching these things happen to a fiber and to collagen, to oxidative stress. So we know that these things work. And honestly, I mean, just for example, I had a dental appointment. because I had some plaque come out of my teeth because the COVID, you know, I'd go to the dentist for two, two sessions. And I had just started taking pineapple powder, which is a, an enzyme that is used. It's really bromelain, but it's used for commercial meat tenderizing to get rid of the fibrosis and farm animals. And I just stumbled across this one day. I was like, Holy cow. And I had like a tear out of, come out of my eye. So was like, that's fibrosis. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to break down. But I didn't even really understand fibrosis at that point. But I started taking this supplement and within a couple weeks, this plaque came out of my teeth and I went to the dentist and she's like, it's going to cost you a thousand dollars to do a deep cleaning. And this is like three, four days before Christmas. I didn't want to spend a thousand dollars on my teeth. And I have no cavities. Like I have healthy teeth, but my father has false teeth. So I was like, okay, I don't want to become my dad. I want to hopefully hang on to my teeth. And so I was like, all right, fine. Let's go ahead and do it. But I said, isn't there like an enzyme or something you can spray on me first so I can come back and it'll weaken? No, no, no, no. This is the doctor that owns the practice. And I said, ⁓ shoot. I was like, all right. So she sends in the tech and I ⁓ said, hold on a second because I'm telling everyone to like advocate for their own health. And I'm here sitting in the chair, making a decision on my health without doing any research. So I real quickly took out my phone. I Google dental plaque. NIH National Institute of Health enzymes. And then 30 studies came up, you know, and it just was right there. Like you can't deny it, you know. And so it was the enzyme that I was taking, you drinking that I was helping to break up the fibrosis in my body that was actually degrading the plaque as well in my mouth. so, you know, it's kind of gross to have plaque in your mouth, but that's what happened. Yeah. And so a lot of those things just sort of, you know, I found out about the pineapple powder just because I was on a trip, a work trip where we qualified with our, you one of our suppliers and everyone got food poisoning. And I was like, gosh, wonder why everybody got food poisoning. And I said, maybe it was the pineapple. And it was the first thing I thought of for some reason they had to have served pineapple. had to qualify for the trip. I had to be in this business and for all of this to happen. And then something inside of me that I heard, I don't know, said pineapple contains bromelain. I don't know how I knew that. just was in my, it just, felt like it was delivered to me. got to be honest with you. And I was an atheist before this, like for real. Like I, there are even two scriptures in the Bible that I specifically looked at where I was like, see, can't be, there can be no God because of these two things. Both of them have massive implications in chronic pain. And it's don't eat swine and don't mix linen and wool. And you're like, what do you mean don't mix linen and wool? I haven't heard that one. When you mix linen and wool, the frequency of the fabric becomes zero. Your body has a frequency of about 85 megahertz. So because there's a lower frequency, it's stealing electrons from your body. Causing oxidative stress, as well as what the swine, the pig is causing, which is an event called glycation. It's like a gummy film. So now we're wearing all these polyester clothes, not me, this is organic cotton, but we're wearing all these polyester clothes and we're constantly making ourselves sicker. Like every second of the day, just very slightly. And we're sleeping in the beds, you know, that are foam, these memory foam beds and nobody's able to sleep and they're blaming this. They're saying you're not sleeping is causing all the other things. There's like, no, no, no, no, you're not sleeping because of the. Yeah, it's.

speaker-1: other things.

speaker-0: I don't want to too far. I just feel like the modern medical system is all turned around. everything that I hear and everything that I know in the studies is just like, you're all, you have us walking backwards. Like we're not, you know, you're not helping us move forward. And so, yeah, so it's, you know, the solution I created, the program is a hundred percent natural. Like there's no peptides or, you know, drugs or anything like that.

speaker-1: If I may Dan, before we're going to talk about your program and the supplement, the undo method, but I want to back up for a bit because something you said triggered something in my head. You being an athlete and myself, one of the things as athletes that I think we do is we're used to bumps and bruises and nicks and nacks and whatnot. And I wonder how much of that weighed into your, your thinking in the beginning where you're thinking. I just need to ice so I just need to whatever and also if you have fibroblialgia You know what that is but for somebody listening that may not know what it is But having the symptoms that you possibly will kind of maybe draw an off talk a bit about that I think that would be really

speaker-0: Yeah. So at the beginning, just, you know, being an athlete, you just think surgery, surgery, surgery, right? Like I didn't do much recovery in my school. So here's the thing. I played one year of high school football. played four and a half. Well, you know, I read shirted. So I was in college for like five years. I didn't start till the third game of my senior season. And then when I got to the NFL, I mean, I'm a division two running back coming into, know, I'm like last guy on the bench. I'm getting hardly any reps. You know what mean? So I knew that the doctors were wrong trying to blame it on my athletic career. Cause there are guys that have played from Pee-wee to 15 years in the NFL that don't have what I had. And so it can happen that way. trauma continuously all the time. That's why running backs have the shortest careers because they're getting hit the most. And every time you have a physical stress, you have an inflammatory response. Right. The cells get compromised. give off a little bit of the signaler. that starts the whole inflammation cycle that has an end point to it. Right. It's not your body attacking itself. It's healing itself. Right. It's the byproduct of too much inflammation, just like if you drink too much water, you're going to hurt yourself. Too much inflammation is going to not serve you. So I just didn't. Yeah. Surgery. mean, I've had 15 surgeries, so five shoulder, ⁓ three knee surgeries, two of them were like scopes. One was a torn ACL. But I think that ACL happened because I had so much tightness in my leg that was pulling me a little bit off. So when I took that step and I was playing football at 36 took that step and it just gave on me. It wasn't a hit. Did nothing like that. So yeah. Yeah.

speaker-1: that. So what were some of the things that you tried in the beginning that didn't work that way people listening could also avoid those mistakes?

speaker-0: So, you know, when I decided to start, I was at the gym, I'm trying to stretch and I realized that, my muscles are just really tight, it seems. And I thought maybe I'm just not hydrated well enough. And so I was drinking a lot more water, but it turns out it was really bad water. It's the cheap acidic water that comes in plastic water bottles. And I didn't realize how actually damaging that is for you. But like, you know, a fibrin, which is a blood clot, which is, you know, fibrin, fibrosis, fibromyalgia. Right. But fibromyalgia is like an unknown, they call it pain processing disorder. It's a mixture of a bunch of things is chronic pain because doctors can't see these things physically under imaging. So they just make guesses based on tests that they do that are physical. Right. They're not drawing blood. can't find a fibromyalgia virus. There's, you know what I mean? So the first thing I did was try to stretch and for a year I would stretch and I would feel it come apart a little bit. And then the next day it's right back. And that's because a fibrin is like a bungee cord. Right? So you're pulling it. It's like, nah, I want to be right back here. Right. And so it goes back. so, and a fibrin is the result of inflammation. think it's really important if I can just tell everybody what inflammation is, because it's the root of all disease and everybody should have a real grasp on what it actually is.

speaker-1: And even positive things cause inflammation, like exercise.

speaker-0: ⁓ yeah, absolutely. Yeah. A little micro tears from exercising. And then it causes something else, but we'll talk about that too. So, ⁓ your cell and your whole body's made of cells. So they have inflammation potential, right? So anytime the cell wall is stressed, it gives off a signal to start the inflammation process. Now the cell wall must be compromised of a lipid, ⁓ membrane. of one to one omega six to omega three, right? And that's your fishes and stuff like that. So if you're not eating fish, you know you're way out of ratio. The average American is omega six at 15 to one. So the highly inflammatory signaller is making up the majority of all the cells in our body. So if you're suffering from like neuroinflammation, a thought could spur inflammation in the brain. like a negative thought and cause this inflammatory response. And every time there's inflammation, it then it goes the cytokines, C-reactive proteins, it alerts the white blood cells. That's who you need to attack. Then the glue forms to stop the bleeding or stop the danger. Collagen leaves into there and you're not, you got, you need eight ingredients for healthy collagen. Guaranteed 90 % of people are highly deficient in the cofactors that give the instructions to the amino acids to do their job. And that's copper, zinc, manganese, and vitamin C. Right? Without those four cofactors, these guys don't know what to do and they just become glue or super weak and fragile and they are not serving you and they're causing more stiffness because every inflammatory response is followed with a ⁓ collagen response. Anyway, so white blood cells do their job. They kill the problem. They retreat, blood cells come back into the area. Now a problem can be that now that fiber and collagen matrix doesn't let blood through, right? Because it was so much inflammation. And so now you're causing atrophy of the soft tissue. Well, what's supposed to happen later, and this is another biblical thing, is you should be fasting. Because at about 20 hours of fasting, so intermittent fasting will not get the job done. At 20 hours of fasting, these enzymes release from your liver because they're starved, because they're normally digesting food. And they're like, we need protein. So they go looking for these misfolded protein aggregates of collagen and fibrosis and other things that are in your body. And then that completes the healing cycle. Now the problem with most people is they keep doing the stuff that's causing the inflammation. And 75 % of our food is highly processed. That's inflammatory on every single bite. The water we're drinking with the microclastics, I mean, there's billions of them in a water bottle. Every little piece of plastic that goes into your bloodstream is going to be met with an inflammatory response of some kind. So now if your cell wall isn't structured right of a one to one or at worst four to one ratio, that inflammatory response is going to be way over exaggerated. And then the, know, Omega six is the seed oils. That's, that's where it's coming from. Yeah.

speaker-1: Dan, what was the first real sign of progress that gave you the hope that you had sought this out naturally?

speaker-0: Yeah. So because I was under so much inflammation, had so much of lymph, right? I was puffy. My lymphatic system was super slow. And that's because that's what the white blood cell was given off, right? It gets into your interstitium and eventually to your lymphatic system. And then hopefully it goes away. But if you look on my Instagram, you can see kind of low down. My face was like this. I was just filled with lymph. All my body was just filled with lymph. And I was like, Gosh, I'm still working out. can still feel the muscle under there, but I'm like, why am I so just puffy? Right. And then you lay, you know, obviously I later found that out, but there was a friend of mine, I was at a networking event and she comes up to me, goes, Dan, why are you limping? At the time, my, both my knees were like the size of softballs for like eight months. I couldn't get the inflammation to go down and it was painful to walk. And so I told her, I said, my knees are swollen. She's why don't you rub some castor oil? on your knees. And I looked at her like she was crazy. I was like, what are you talking about? Castor oil. I she's trying to sell me like essential, essential oils, right? And then, but I had started foam rolling and I was telling everybody, it was the only thing I was doing foam rolling and stretching. And I was telling everyone you need to foam roll. Like something was happening. I thought because I could hear it cracking and get a little looseness. And, but she's looking at me the same way telling me I need to do the castor oil. And I'm like, okay, like she's serious. I'm going to take this advice for the first time in my life. I'm going to take advice from somebody." So I was raised like a wild wolf. So I went home, I put the castor oil on my knees, about a shot glass worth. And then I went to bed. The next day, the swelling in my knees was completely gone. And then I started blowing stuff out of my face for like three days. And I was like, now, instead of maybe having one or two clear days a month, I was like had half of the month. I seemed clear minded.

speaker-1: How did you take the oil, Dan? Was it oral?

speaker-0: Just rubbed it on, rubbed it on my knees, rubbed it on my lymphatic areas, my lymph nodes. You want to heat it up a little bit, not too hot because it's thick. Or if you can get into a sauna, that's even better. But it's fast acting. It's funny because African women have been using castor oil for their hair forever.

speaker-1: Caribbean where I'm from that's why I'm familiar with it. They put it on there. Yes.

speaker-0: So a few years ago, science just realized we had another system in our body called the glymphatic system. It's connected to the lymphatic system. It's responsible for hair health. So what they're doing is cleaning out all the junk, right? All the lymph, all the waste product to create a healthier hair. So it's like women have had it right for many, many years. yeah.

speaker-1: You know, I operate with the theory that a lot of the things we need to heal us are already there in nature. We just have not discovered it there, but I have this weird belief that, you know, it's there. It's in nature. We just haven't discovered it yet. Let's get into the undo method. ⁓ Let's get into it talk about it. So obviously I don't know what it is, talk to me in plain language. What's the undo method?

speaker-0: Absolutely. So it's two pieces, right? It's a supplement I created called Flexibility Fuel. And so what's in Flexibility Fuel is your essential amino acids, which is going to help repair and restore muscle synthesis, create healthier muscles, help your body create healthier muscles. But then there's a blend of compounds on there like B-proplis, alpha-lipoic acid, the enzymes that we're talking about. So the key pain makers These are supplements that have been shown in multiple studies to add an electron to the problem, right? Thus cleaving it, then the body can actually break it down. A fibrin scar tissue is called an insoluble protein, or it's called scar tissue. Both of those seem permanent, but it's not insoluble. It's only insoluble until it's cleaved at the chemical bond. It's just an electron donation. pineapple powder, the proteolytic enzymes and pineapple powder is donating electron to this fibrin, the fibrosis, causing it to break. Now you can mechanically now break that thing open and you've got these mechanoreceptors and other things in your body that can now slowly eat that thing up, right? So it's like an axe and then sandpaper, right? It's not all just going to fall apart at once. So it's once you clip it, takes a little while for that area to, you know, a few weeks or so to start feeling better. So that's basically the concept of each one of the supplements. So I've identified the offenders as inflammation, which leaves behind a fibrin, poor collagen synthesis, all, every muscle fiber in your body is wrapped in what's called a endomysium. It's a collagen based protein around every muscle fiber. And it has to be built correctly where it becomes glue and you can't collide. your muscles across one another. Oxidative stress, right? That's having too many free radicals in the body and not enough stable pairs. And oxalates, which if you're juicing spinach, drinking a lot of black tea, juicing beets, doing beetroot powder, almond milk, it's pretty high in chocolate and potatoes as well, but it's a little nanoparticle that creates kidney stones. But when you're breaking the leaf open and juicing it or drinking almond milk. It leaks out through your gut because it's so small and then starts building, we're called oxalates in your soft tissue. They're literally kidney stones, like everywhere in your body and they can get into your eyes, your mouth. Women have to get hysterectinies because of them. There's a very simple cleanse that I put in the undo method. It's just lemonade, calcium, citrate, magnesium, citrate. And they just literally, when you do it, it's high dose lemonade. not, you know, like regular lemonade. ⁓ What it does is it breaks the electrostatic interaction. So it's being held together almost like a magnet would. So it starts, it starts to kind of falling apart and then the calcium citrate grabs it and then they come out through your skin. So the first time I ever did it, looked like I had sand all over my shoulders, my chest, you know, certain areas. And then eventually the last one that I did, a huge one came out of my chest. took about two weeks to pass, felt like a razor blade. And then when it finally passed, I mean, it literally looked and felt like a pumice stone. They're called diamond dust. They're super, super hard and super sharp. And they cause all sorts of tearing inside the body. So one of the mistakes I made was to go to Netflix for my health advice. And there was these couple, couple documentaries on juicing. And I thought, well, this is the super food that they're all talking about. You know, which is not, ⁓ but it was damaging me because plants don't really want to, you know, always be eaten. You know, they have defenses and they're in the form of a chemical.

speaker-1: Especially in regards to the supplement, because I'm a big believer in prevention. Obviously, it's for somebody, you're saying it's for somebody that is dealing with fibromyalgia and this sort of pain. for somebody like me, don't. That a supplement that a normal person should incorporate into their protocol.

speaker-0: have it is Yeah, let me hit that first. Let me say the second part of the undo method. The other part is the chronic pain playbook. So in conjunction with the supplement, or you can do them separately, but the whole method is both. The playbook is me talking about exactly what these pain makers are, what food sources they're coming from, how genetics can affect it, the chemical bonds that hold them together. So you know, you know, you know who your enemy is intimately. And so now you can defeat the enemy. And so it's a hundred percent science based, right? All the studies are out there supporting all this stuff. And so I, that's supplementation food. And then I go into the practices like why is hugging a tree beneficial to us? Right? Because now, know, like, ⁓ gosh, look at how many benefits and here's the science behind these benefits. You don't feel so dumb hugging a tree or going out grounding with your shoes off or, you know, make sure that you're intentionally breathing through your nose, which I have a problem with and that's why I talk so fast sometimes. I got to remind myself to do that. And the science behind that is it takes L-Arginine, creates nitric oxide, nitric oxide doesn't let fibrins deform. So if you're constantly not breathing through your nose, the chemical bonds of the fibrin, the clot, can set in more easily. If you're breathing through your nose, it disrupts that chemical attraction. So that's basically what the undo method is. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely a combination, but you can do them separately. You know, it's a really good lesson. It's a video series that I did. And then the supplement works super quick. You know, it gives you, and so we talk about preventative. It's an essential amino acid, acid based supplement. There are four categories of foods. They're essential. If you have these, they create all the other stuff your body needs. Your central nutrients, essential fats, and then essential amino acids.

speaker-1: combination of

speaker-0: Most people are deficient. They're essential amino acids and that helps with re-synthesis of muscles. Ton of neurocognitive benefits as well. And then the compound, so if you're going to eat the standard American diet, it's a hundred percent preventative. Like it's, if you haven't gotten sick yet, if you're, it's literally a matter of time.

speaker-1: I'm not saying you did, Somebody asked me that the other day. They said, how have you gone your life without no surgeries, no major illnesses, never in the hospitals and yada yada. I said, and I said it's because I'm a pain in the ass when it comes to eating. Something I'm struck by with you, Dan, you're so knowledgeable about these different nutrients and the food and stuff. I wonder if this has been the same for you as it has been for me. The more I know, the worse I've gotten over the years when it comes to food to the point where friends don't want me to go out to eat with them. Like, really go out to eat. It's so hard. Or somebody's asking me, and they don't understand it's because of what little I know, because I think I know a lot. But in listening to you, I realize I don't know that much. But in the little that I actually do know, it's hard for me to go to certain places and sit there and eat knowing what I know. How hard is that for you? What would you know?

speaker-0: Yeah, so I'm the same way with water, especially water. I mean, I'll rarely drink out of plastic. It's all glass water bottles now. But then, you you don't always have access to it. You're like, okay, am I going to drink out of it? I know I have filters, a whole house filtration system, and I've got a charcoal filter and all that kind of stuff. And I still am like, oh no, what am I really drinking here? But I've made a rule for myself. It's like anything that's in my home. is going to be good. And if we want something bad in the home, we have to make a special trip to get it. When I go out to eat, unless I have two kids and know, 53, I don't go out that much anymore. But when I go out to eat, I'm just trying to make the best choice. Like, mean, and even when you make that best choice, you're like, Oh, I'll have a salad with tuna. I'm like, Hey, was the tuna wild caught or was it, you know, farmed? And I'm sure there's all sorts of glyphosate on the You know, spinach leaves and you know, whatever else I'm eating. But yeah, I just don't, I don't make a big deal about it when I go out of the house. It's really in the house. I mean, I get my meat delivered. I get my raw milk delivered. I get my farm raised eggs delivered. I got buddies who hunt. They bring me all parts, you know? And so I'm pretty stocked up with, with stuff, but yeah.

speaker-1: We're similar in that, for example, I don't eat fish in America. I just don't. I only eat fish when I'm back in the Caribbean at home because I'm literally watching the fishermen come in or, you know, when I'm in other places, I go to a butcher and buy meat. I don't go to a grocery store. just don't do that. And the funny thing, I'm with you when it comes to not having bad things in the house because sometimes I'll be home and we all have our vices. Nobody's perfect. My vice, I'm not ashamed to say.

speaker-0: Yeah. Tell me.

speaker-1: is Cinnamon Toast Crunch. Okay, yeah, yeah, me too. I love Cinnamon Toast It's the worst thing. There's an app called Yucca, and the Yucca app, you scan the barcode of things and it gives you the breakdown. Out of 100, with 100 being the best, Cinnamon Toast Crunch is less than 10. It even has carcinogen causing things in it. And even with that, once in a while, I'll get it, but I tell my wife, buy it.

speaker-0: don't buy.

speaker-1: She's like, why you always want, I said, because if it's in the house, it's too accessible. It has to be where I have to make a special trip to the market to get it. Because then I'll really start thinking, do really want to make this run? No, and most times I'll talk myself out of it.

speaker-0: You know, it's a great way around that is just have hard boiled eggs around, you know, just keep them in the fridge and they're like, okay, like, I know I want this, but let me have a little bit of something else. You know, just let me try the egg and see if that satisfies me. If I'm still craving something. Cause you know, a lot of times a hunger signal isn't that you're hungry. It's that you're lacking nutrients, right? Your body's craving nutrition. So we instead get a muffin that's sprayed with folic acid and. glyphosate and whatever other chemicals in there. mean, the food preservatives are funny because what is a food preservative? It's an antibacteria. Well, you're eating that and it's going into your gut. It's got so much beneficial bacteria, starts killing the bacteria in your gut. And now you have digestive issues and stuff like that. There's a lot of, I mean, there's just a lot of bad food out there, but there's a fair amount of good food out there that if you just stayed in that lane, you're to stay healthy. In fact, as a free resource on the platform that hosts my program, I have what's called the world's greatest shopping list. It's a spreadsheet that has the four essentials and tabs. And then what those essentials are, the food sources, meat and chicken, fish, shellfish, vegetables, fruits, legumes and nuts. And it says how much you need of each one to hit the RDI. And then you start realizing like on the vegetables can barely get me there. It's like 20 cups of spinach. You need to hit like the vitamin, you know,

speaker-1: It's not possible. You can't eat that much for what we need in nutrients.

speaker-0: Yeah. And so, but you also realize that you're so far off, but really if you're eating liver, you know, it's got a lot of that stuff in it that you hit so many of the micronutrient and essential amino acid categories. Right. And so if you, you can see some of the food choices, you're like, all right, let me have blueberries instead of bananas. Blueberries is an antioxidant. Bananas can cause a histamine response. So it's like, let me just shop better. And then you start having a little better relationship with food because food is the girlfriend that keeps cheating on you. Right. And you keep going back to her and she keeps treating you the same way. And you realize it every time you fast. And then you put that food back in your face and you're like, I did it again. And now I got head fog and anxiety. And then maybe it wasn't the first bite. Maybe it was like all the way at the bottom of the ice cream. And then next day you've got no motivation. And so I really had to cut out ice cream. Ice cream was my voice. got I've got two voices now and five hour energy is one of them. so, yeah, but other than that, I'm pretty good, but I got rid of the ice cream. Yeah.

speaker-1: ask you about fasting, before I ask you about that, because you mentioned something about it earlier that I want to clarify, but going back to the undo method, what does progress look like in the first 30 days of someone that's doing it correctly?

speaker-0: Yeah. So, I mean, everyone's going to be a little different. And I especially know that with my supplement because some people will take it in the first day. They send me a text like, what the heck is in this stuff? Cause it's, they, you start feeling that they really notice it. You hear the click, you know what I mean? And then you feel the relief in the muscle. It's pretty quick for some people. And once again, I got to make sure I say this. It's not a treatment or a cure for any disease, right? But then You know, some people are like two weeks in and then they finally start noticing something. I've had a handful of people who've started taking it. We only released it this summer that they didn't even realize that their pain went away until I reminded them like, Hey, how's your shoulder? And they're like, ⁓ I didn't, it's not, it doesn't, you know, it's fine. Handful of people tell me that they don't really feel anything, but that doesn't mean it's not doing something because what's in there. It's not like it's not going to. do the things that those supplements and those compounds are supposed to do, you're just not feeling it. that's the case with a lot of supplements. You don't really notice it right away. Maybe something did happen and you weren't attributing it to what you've been doing. But when you combine that with the method, mean, the method's a lot of movement and breathing and things like that. For the part of the offenders, the things that are actually causing the pain, like I've got all the stuff in my supplement that donate those electrons or break that electrostatic interaction. Right. So you don't have to add more, but I give you foods and other supplements that you can add with it. just on its own, the supplement, should kind of feel something by utilizing the method. The method is just really this educational piece. It's a playbook or a toolkit that gives you all the information about Wow, I didn't realize that this food was this damaging to me and it caused this reaction. And I didn't realize that, you know, once again, hugging a tree could actually be beneficial because it's going to help thin the blood and encourage blood flow and get rid of or pair those free radicals the moment you step on the ground. Right. So it just gives you a lot of education. So you're intentional about your lifestyle rather than just winging it and listen to everybody on Facebook who's got some theory about pain that with no education or research behind it.

speaker-1: Got it. Going back to fasting, what you mentioned before about people doing it correctly. Give us some more detail about that.

speaker-0: Yeah. So there's a bunch of different stages of fasting. you know, once you hit a back, gosh, I don't completely remember all the specific hours, but once you hit 20 hours is when the process autophagy starts. And autophagy is that release of the enzymes, then they're going to start looking to clean up. and repair all of the misfolded proteins and protein aggregates that are in your body. Right. So you got to hit that 20 hour mark, but remember that's when it starts. Just because you hit it doesn't mean you stop there. let it cook for a while. And then at about 72 hours, you get in this stage called apoptosis. that's when the cells that cannot be repaired are told to fall apart. And then your body will utilize the good parts of those cells to rebuild new cells. With the recent medical intervention that's happened with the entire planet a couple of years ago, it's creating leaky cells and it's leaking cytokines, right? And so those cytokines is the start, you know, kind of the second start of the inflammation process. So if we've got all these leaky cells, you want to be fasting. So you can either repair them or if they can't be repaired, they're too far gone. your body tells you to get rid of them. So if you're dealing with inflammation and maybe you stopped, you're on a low inflammatory diet, but you're still dealing with it, you might have all these cells that are left in your body that just leak in the inflammation signal.

speaker-1: Okay. While you're fasting in this way that you're talking about, are you ingesting anything? Water? Sure. Anything at all?

speaker-0: Yeah, I do it a couple of different ways. I'll do water with salt and potassium or no salt. Sea salt. get it from Redmond's. It's from a dry lake bed. So it doesn't have all the mercury and stuff like that in it. And then I will do it with flexibility fuel as well, because now I'm shutting down the noise in the body and I'm really just letting the ingredients in there just get into my bloodstream uninterrupted and do what they do. So those are the two ways that I do it, but I haven't done a dry fast and the longest I've done was I think five days.

speaker-1: I was going to ask you if 72 hours was what you were saying three days was the time or should it be longer?

speaker-0: Yeah, you want to get past 72 hours, at least an hour, because once that process start, like millions of cells can be wiped off the board almost immediately. So you want to push into at least an hour or so past 72, but there's some, you know, and everyone's different in how their metabolism is going to work and how that's going to happen. So it's safer to go even further. did 96, 97 hours the other day because I want to make sure I'm getting rid of as much. bad cells as I possibly can.

speaker-1: So between four and five days is what you're.

speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. For the cell, for the cell part, but just to get into autophagy and for people who are just starting, you know, that two, two and a half to three day timeframe is a good place to start, but you got to push past that first day. That's the hardest day, right? You feel hungry. You've got that grumbling. You get a little headache, but once you push through that, you're clear headed. You're productive. It's insane. You're like in the matrix.

speaker-1: being an athlete, what are you doing in those days? Are you just not doing anything? Meaning, you're doing your normal life activities, but are you not exercising? What sort of movement would be okay?

speaker-0: Okay. So I go to the gym as normal, but what I do at the gym is different than most people. So even though, you know, four time all Americans, master sprinters, I don't train for sprinting. All I do is go to the gym and I stretch foam roll, twist my body. do a little bit of weights, right? I do a little bit of cardio on the spinning bike, but you know, I still have some pain points. I guess have like a hamstring that's not all the way there. The back of my, uh, My tricep is a little tight. my swinging of the arms. So, but it all comes up like every day, like more and more is coming apart. So if I was to train, I'm not sure how I'm going to feel for the next three, four days. So I really do everything I do is very low impact swimming, spinning bike, and then stretching a little bit of weightlifting, but I'll do that all the way through the fast.

speaker-1: Okay, so it sounds as though it's based on the person. well, if whatever they're normally doing, they could probably do, but they may have to make some adjustments based on the intensity or the stress on the body.

speaker-0: I mean, you mean when you're fasting? I mean, when you are fasting and everything clears up, you want to do everything. Like you feel so good. ⁓ I'm in a fasting group with some buddies and you know, one of them's the grandson of the Vikings owner and a three time all American lacrosse player. And it's just like, ⁓ I've you know, and they're in Florida as well. So it makes it little easier vibe down in Florida, but

speaker-1: Yeah, when you're and vibe and where everybody's vibe.

speaker-0: Yeah, man. It's just, I can't explain it. You really have to get into it. And if it's someone that's been dealing with brain fog, they probably haven't felt that way in years. Like they don't even remember like what that clarity feels like. And once you get the clarity back, that's when you recognize the food is the bad girlfriend. And you're like, okay, I know that when I have this hamburger or whatever it is, I have this fog come on me. so, yeah.

speaker-1: I definitely attest to that the best I've ever felt or looked in my life was when I did at the insistence of my master, my martial arts teacher, a five day sort of fast cleanse with raw food. Even the white in my eyes became crazy how clear everything felt. And I've never felt that way in my life. was the only time I felt that way physically.

speaker-0: in bright white. Have you cold plunged? Yeah. Do you get that same similar feeling, the whites in your eyes? And I feel like my hair stands up better. I have more life.

speaker-1: I I like I'm losing, you you lose the heat on the top of your head. So I feel like it's like almost like a rush to the top of my head to keep me.

speaker-0: Maybe that's what it is. Interesting. Okay.

speaker-1: I don't know. Anecdotally, obviously from my personal experience. Yeah. And then after a while it, um, it just became normal. I'll give you a brief story about that and about the cold water being from the Caribbean. was one time my wife and I were living in a flat and we did not have hot water. And I just remember going, goodness, I have to take a shower. After the third day, was, my body had adjusted to it to where

speaker-0: I'm ready.

speaker-1: Once we got the hot water back, I couldn't turn it up. didn't want it. Whereas my body just adjusted to the cold temperature and I was feeling better. Like when I finished showering with the cold water.

speaker-0: Yeah. Yep. I was just a lie. Yeah. At the end of every one of my showers, I do three deep nasal breaths in under cold water. Right. I force myself to get three of them in. It's gonna, you know, there's some benefit there. It helps you sleep a little bit better. You know, you're just, I know. I can't even explain it. I mean, you just have to kind of, kind of try it. Yeah, got to feel it. Right. Yeah. It's like, it's like the thing, like when I like the undo method, it's like people don't, most people only know what it's like to go into pain and not undo it, right? And so it's a very unique experience. And so my partner, I would tell her all the time, I was like, hey, know, my, this clicked today. And she just looks at me like, okay, you know, she's 20 years younger than me. So she had, you know, at that point she had, started to get some of it though, and starting to take the flexibility fuel and starting to listen to me finally. Yeah. So, ⁓ But it's like you tell people things and they just don't even realize it. And so now my buddies at the gym who are taking flexibility fuel, we've got like this little session, like, yeah, dude, like my shoulder came loose and this, and it's a really fun thing to go through. But at the same time, it's, it's a little challenging. It's not super easy. You know, it's like things are breaking down in your body, right? Things are coming apart. Your body's got to clear it up. It's using a lot of resources, but it's way better because you're going to feel the pain if you don't do it anyway. So whatever pain is there, you're just like, it's okay, because things are coming apart. And I got into a bunch of points where I was like, I think I'm just stuck here now. I don't think I'm moving forward. And then all of a sudden it happens again. You know, I'll go for like a week or so. like, I haven't really noticed anything big happen. And so I think, okay, maybe my whole theory was not right. And then, and it comes apart and it's just like, you know, as you start doubting yourself along the way, because who am I? I didn't go to medical school. through pre-med, I got a C minus in college biology. You know, I was focused on sports and so, but I think with everything that I do, I go in like all the way. You know, I said I was going to play in the NFL. I played one year high school football and made it in four contracts in the NFL. started an energy brokerage with zero energy experience. It became one of the top fastest growing companies in Philadelphia. And then I'm going to do the unthinkable or undoable and reverse fibromyalgia and degenerative arthritis. Right. And so there are all these things that like, shouldn't have these capabilities, but if you set your mind to it and you tell the universe that this is what I'm going to do, you just, you can't lie to the universe. It's going to hold you accountable and it's going to help you along the way. Yeah.

speaker-1: Dan, I really enjoyed our conversation and before I let you go, please, how can people connect with you? The undo method, please stop.

speaker-0: Yeah. So my website is being a little bit tweaked this week. We're putting a new calendar system in there and then this referral system. So it may be under maintenance right now if you go there, but that's UNDU.me. So undo.me or you can go to my link in bio, which is linkin.bio slash undo method. It's UNDU and there you can directly go to either my website or the platform that hosts my my program, and then a couple other resources there as well. And social media is all undo method, right? Like LinkedIn, YouTube, Twitter or X, Instagram, Tik Tok. That's probably my biggest following is on Tik Tok, but it's all U N D U ⁓ E T H O D.

speaker-1: Thank you, Dan. We'll leave it there. Thanks so much. Of course. If you enjoyed today's conversation, like, subscribe, and share it with friends. See you next time.

speaker-0: Thanks, Solani. I really appreciate it.