Can AI Help Musicians Create Without Replacing Them?

What happens when an award-winning vocalist and songwriter sits down with an AI music producer building a weekly online producer battle?

In this episode of Behind the Story, Jelani Gonzalez is joined by Gerard Barnes and David Nichol for a timely, honest, and surprisingly personal conversation about AI music, creativity, ownership, and the future of performance.

David shares how AI is helping him reimagine his music, update live shows, and explore new possibilities as a singer and frontman. Gerard opens up about building A Idol, a TikTok-based AI music producer community where creators battle, learn, and push the limits of what AI-generated music can become.

Together, they explore the tension between technology and artistry, why human creativity still matters, what artists need to understand about copyright, and how AI could remove gatekeepers while creating new questions around ownership, authenticity, and live performance.

This conversation goes beyond the fear of AI replacing musicians. It asks a bigger question: What happens when real artists learn how to use AI as a creative partner?

Listen to the full episode now on Apple Podcasts 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Everything revolves around live bands. It's not so much about AI songs anymore. To me, how can I move to the next level? And the next level would be bands. If they can play any AI song, then it's no longer AI, and everyone is working together. You as a live musician, me as an AI music producer, we can coexist.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

What happens when the man who is responsible for one of InSync's biggest songs and my favorite InSync song, Digital Get Down, sits down with the gentleman who runs an online AI music producer battle on TikTok every week? Well, we're about to find out. I'm here today with Gerard Barnes and David Nickel.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Yes, sir. I'm really honored to be here because I get a chance to see the guy here, Dave, who came in second to the amount of views that you got on Behind the Story. Wait, wait. Really?

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Well, part of that could be where we shot it. That studio is now, you know, R.I.P., like my son would say. So that could be part of it. And you've been home in this studio.

SPEAKER_03 1:01

Nobody wanted to see a dude with John Disney. Look, black people need more white, more light than me, but he had so much light on me. I look like a ghost.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

Pale yellow. I was like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Before we get started and dive deep in the conversation, I just want to thank both of you for coming back. Boy. You guys are like my brothers. I mean, we go way back, but you were two of the you were actually the first two people I interviewed last year when I started Behind the Story. You guys were very kind and generous with your times. And you're back here again. So from the bottom of my heart, thank you. Very neat. David, let me start with you. I'll send it to you. I actually got it in black too, so I gotta say rub it in. Let's let's start with you, D. Especially with your background. When I first mentioned the idea to you about sitting down and having this conversation with Gerard, what what were your first your first thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 1:55

Oh, absolutely. I mean, who is not interested in everything that AI can do now, especially in your profession? I mean, I've been blessed. You know, I'm doing more live stuff now, but that doesn't mean that AI can't help me live. It can help me I I've already used it actually live. I redid one of my tracks uh with AI. I put my s my song in it, and then I took the vocals out, and then I used that to perform with because I don't know if I should get into this now, but get into it. So I did a whole album in Germany on the side of doing a dance album. And this side this it was called the side album when it got done. But the crazy thing is that I was just on the side riding with my friend Benny, and we wrote about six or seven songs, and I had to leave. I was done. This is in Germany. He said, Hey, if I if I rent a a studio, can you just do all the scratch vocals on them? And that way I'll have your vocals and I can build the track. We just basically had some chords and drums. Right. And so I said, Yeah, I'll I'll lay the vocals. So I went in and I laid the vocals, like all the songs within three hours or something like that. And about eight months, ten months later, I get a call and he's like, Hey, your album is done. And I was like, What album? He was like, Oh, you remember all the songs that we wrote? I took them to the university and did a university project and did all live instruments with the orchestra, and then I even brought in some professional people from Germany, and he did the whole album. Now it's it's good, but it's you know, it's not top-notch. So I was always like, I'd I'd like to redo these, and now I can. Yeah, so I put a couple of the songs in and I was like, Woo! Yes, I did it with big band orchestra sound, like a Michael Boo Blay with soul. And so I was able to do one of my songs in my show at that time. I think this was in January, and it was cool. So, yeah, there's I'm sure that there's so many more ways that I don't know about, which is why I'm so excited to speak to Jay over here.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

So you know, the funny thing is what you just described is exactly what excited me about you and both both of you. Somebody with your talent, your background using it and and and merging it together and creating, you know, hybrid, you know, output from it. Draw, let me ask you when I told you about sitting down and talking with David, you know, David American Music Award winner, right? For Billboard Award. Billboard Award winner. Grammy Nomini. Grammy Homeneve Digital Get Down. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the song. What were your thoughts when I told you about sitting down and have this chat with David?

SPEAKER_01 4:40

I knew this was gonna happen. I knew the uh not just so much of meeting Dave, but eventually the AI and the real musician would come together.

SPEAKER_03 4:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Warp speed. This is happening now.

SPEAKER_03 4:51

Um it's been happening for a while.

SPEAKER_01 4:53

Yeah, and it's not something that people are talking about. This is what they're doing.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

And I I just was excited to be a part of it.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

So just knowing Dave was gonna be here, knowing his background, I went, let's go, baby. Yeah, let's make it happen. Because if we don't, somebody else is or will. Absolutely. So yeah, I was just as honored as most people seeing him. Just to be sitting next to him and knowing that I know we're gonna be working together soon.

SPEAKER_03 5:17

I'm gonna be at your house, like in two days.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

And I'm excited about that. Yeah. So this whole AI thing, meeting him and sitting down here with you talking about it, it's just revolutionary. Yeah. And I'm glad to be a part of it.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

David, your career's been built on your voice, you know, the hue the humanity of you, your voice, your expression, and all that. Do you I sense that you have a positive outlook about what the potential of it could be, but is there anything that gives you pause from just the human part of it with using the AI?

SPEAKER_03 5:47

I mean, not for me, because you know, when it's your profession and when you make money for it, you gotta make sure you're gonna make money from it. So you have to look at the rules, you have to look at the what they're you know, you're what you're giving up as far as your intellectual property when you do this. There's a lot of stuff behind the scenes that people don't know. People will just say, Hey, I need a song about mothers on Mother's Day. And boom, it writes this. So now they look like they're a songwriter. Right. No, and you don't own any of that. Right. So it's like they own it. You just gave them an idea. Right. Now they own it. So if it does anything, you ain't making no money. They are. Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

Unless you're just singing it live. And that's what makes you the smartest guy in the room right now. You get it. With the AI, you don't own it. Why would you want to dabble in something and create all this content for AI to create instill your persona, and you don't own anything when I can just produce a song and say, Dave, here, he takes it live. It's no longer AI. Right. But it's polished because AI music is just right on point. Yeah. You know, I I can't take anything away from it. Everything I've heard has been good. And we have a um competition every Wednesday. Well, pretty much every day.

SPEAKER_03 7:07

I gotta say, I can't wait to check it out.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

And when we have these battles, it's it's the weirdest thing, Dave and Jelani. No one says anything negative. Let me take that back. The only thing negative is I would put cellos in there. You know, or I would have put the background vocals before the lead, not in behind it. Other than that, you can't criticize it. And that's dangerous.

SPEAKER_03 7:28

I have because I know my songs.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

And so let's just say there's one song that I have, it wouldn't do the bridge like I did it. I'm like, come on, bro. Like, why are you changing the melody? Like the words are right there, but it's like the way that they're singing it is different from the way that I sing it. I'm like, look, I just want to cover, not a remix.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

Right. You know, right. Well, you're criticizing it in the building part of it. Right. But I mean, afterwards, and they finish it and it's well produced and mastered and mixed down, then they bring it to competition. Oh, it's nice.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

My goodness. It's incredible. If I may, because I'm a researcher and you know, I am an AI consultant. And one of the things that you should both look into, firstly, get get get really informed about the money part of it now. Yeah. Because what it's sounding like to me from the outside is the early days of of hip hop, the early days of boy bands when nobody knew what what it was really going to be, so they didn't take precautions with certain parts in regards to the money. So I was doing some research last night, and you know, F you, because you you make me go down the rabbit hole. Um here's a few ways, and I was specifically looking up the copyright office stuff. Yeah. So here's what you could do. Like for not somebody that knows nothing about music. I they can't. But David, who writes a song and has a melody, literally, this still exists, because I checked. You can literally just sing your melody onto whatever recording, doesn't have to have band, sing your melody on a recording with any kind of accompaniment of music and write your lyrics and ship that off or and register it. Now you could do it online with an MP, which upload an MP3, and there's a copyright to your song. Then you take that and go into AI and build it. Now you own your copyright. And and what you need to learn how to be really professional at is how to really communicate with the AI via the prompts to fix that issue that it wasn't fixing. It's what you tell it and how you tell it. That's where the true skill is. So, for example, not being you, not being you. What when I've written a song in the past in my amateur days, I have a melody, I write the lyrics, and I go into David and Gerard. And they're like, Well, what are you thinking about for the chord progression? Well, I have no freaking idea. But here's the melody, here's this. Okay, build it. And you do the what are you hearing there? You're hearing a piano? No, I'm hearing probably strings. Okay, what about here? Electric guitar, acoustic, so forth. That's exactly what you do to the AI. Right, yeah. Yeah, got it. Yeah, you communicate to the AI as though it's a producer because it is.

SPEAKER_05 10:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

And the more specific put it like this: if you if you give the producer haphazard instructions, are you gonna get the bridge you want? No. Yeah. No different with the AI. It's the same thing in business when I'm working with my customers and at work. If I put in the wrong prompt, it's not gonna solve the problem. But the key thing where you both stand apart, and where I do in my industry, is I know my business. So I know when it's wrong, and I know when to tweak it and fix it. So the same thing for both of you. You know what the bridge is supposed to be, you know what the chords and the and the notes are supposed to be.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

So the skill is in what you tell it.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

I'm I'm curious, Gerard. Let's just say it's two days ahead and d and and and D does come to the house and he has an idea for the song for a song. How does the process start? Working with somebody like normally you don't. How does it how would the process start with somebody like him?

SPEAKER_01 11:02

Once again, let me put on my Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis hat. Oh, you're wearing the hat. Yeah. We'll just have a conversation. Yeah. And while he's doing that, I'll just extract his DNA. And with that, with his permission, I'll throw everything in the AI, stir it up. Voila. There's there's no magic to it.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

You know, uh like he said earlier. Anyone can push that button these days. Everyone's a producer. But can you how do you give that quality, that thing?

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Yeah, the essence of a great song, a hit. You just extract the DNA from a person. I have to have the imagination to be able to build what he wants around the instruments. I understand. I have a relationship with Suno. It's not just a AI platform or machine. I literally have been doing this for three years. Two years with Suno, but six years with AI. So I understand all of the little nuances. The cheat codes is what we call them. You know, you find something that works, you copy paste it, save it. And what you mentioned about your uh matrix the other day, then you tweak that as you go along.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

Off camera, we were talking about vocals because David is a vocalist primarily, right? And AI cre sometimes the vocals does not sound like you. It doesn't sound like the person. Has it advanced now to where you can have him sing it, which he can, and he does. Will it just enhance his voice like a production recording would do, or is it still where it's just gonna completely replace it? Because I think the value would be if you can open up the the rendered track and have it actually replace it with his actually authentic voice. Is the technology there yet? Or is Yes it is. It's cloning.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Tell us about that. Okay, it's um actually cloning. You want to talk to it and say you want to the overall essence of Dave. So you want to clone it and make it a twin keywords. You're not giving it the right instructions, and that's usually the key. And you tweak it until you find the right words and say, I want a twin of his. I want all of the essence of his text.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

So again, it's like communicating with that producer of what you want specifically.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

So it's all there. It's all there. So the ant to answer your question, yes, it's there. You have to be able to find it.

SPEAKER_00 13:13

Dave, I can't wait for you to get in there and play because let me get there. So I know. I understand. I told you. I brought this up in the first interview with him. Remember, um, you remember Fat Joe's song Lean Back back in the day? This brother here. He had to go on tour. And I always bring it up because it's my favorite. I don't care, I'll embarrass him again. He he he had to go on tour and they didn't really have the right songs that he wanted, and he was trying to figure out what to do and whatnot. He took the track of Lean Back and and sang, I want your sex to George Michael over Lean Back. It was the most it was just it was just so cool. So that's the type of ingenuity he he already possesses inside of him. So I'm excited to see what you guys can put out and build because going back to what we talked about on the last episode, we could show up and see him performing.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Correct, correct. And that's the beauty of AI, Dave. I could sit back and still enjoy being a musician, but yet not playing an instrument. Right. You dig what I'm saying? Absolutely. I I I find that kind of like a shift in this whole music thing. I'm a musician, I always will be. Yeah, I have instruments around the house laying around. But man, it feels so refreshing and I feel alive creating this AI.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

What excites me is I'm not a musician. I am a singer. Gotcha. Which is my instrument, I guess. Yeah. But I I'm a front man, so I'm alive, I'm a live. Please on stage. Yeah. And that's where I exude, but I've been blessed with being a Pisces and artist, you know. And so it's cool to be able to make and be an artist and then express it on stage. And the main thing is that I'm not a musician, so I don't have a studio. I'm not an engineer. I'm not any of that. So I'll have to pay somebody fifty dollars an hour to go in and produce my song. Yeah. Now I don't have to do that.

unknown 15:09

Right.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

You know, as long as I can get the basics of it written and then put in and make it a cover, because a cover, they automatically know that that you wrote that song. You know?

SPEAKER_01 15:22

And here's the here's the beauty beauty of it. There's no more gatekeepers.

SPEAKER_05 15:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

You can be 63 years old. I have two trans that are some of the two of the baddest producers in my uh TikTok community.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Nobody cares. Right. Black, white, Trump supporters, you know, you name it.

SPEAKER_05 15:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

No one is saying you have to have big titties now or big hair. Right. They're saying, how well can you produce? Right. And that's what I'm finding out. There's no more gatekeepers. It's it's wide open. It's nice. And I love it.

SPEAKER_03 15:53

Now, when you're doing this, is it only the songs or do they have videos or what are they what are they presenting to you?

SPEAKER_01 16:00

We only do the songs on the AIDO, but we're working on doing a VJ to where people are now, as you know, doing AI videos, and they're quite costly, so it's hard to really get people to do those for the length of time of a song. They can do shorts, and that's that doesn't cost anything. But when it comes to doing three, four-minute videos, yeah, it's it's costly.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

Well, I can give you the solution to that. Just like I I brought up the whole A-Idle in-person thing. So right now, the the new phones, the iPhones shoot 4K quality type video. All the person needs to have, I shouldn't say all they need to have. What they should have is some basic understanding of the camera, um, which you there are a bunch of courses online of how to use your iPhone, for example, how to shoot a movie. And they can just shoot different scenes with them and with their song, right? Yeah. And then they go to editing, whether it's iMovie on Apple or Adobe Premiere, if they're really professional, and edit into the video. And then they can create their own video. Because I think that's what's really going to elevate this and and and make it really, really serious. Like going back to hip the early days of hip-hop when people were just scratching and stuff. What made it real? The breaking. Because now it wasn't just, you know, Flunkmaster Flex or Grandmaster Flash just scratching. It was, you know, the beat, the the the Beat Street boys and the New York City breakers or whatever, dancing to it and became real. It's like, okay, he's really scratching, but he's real. I think we're on the cusp of a similar revolution, you know, to where you tie in the human part of it, not do the AI video, do it of the person, you know?

SPEAKER_03 17:35

Yeah. And and that's what we need to keep is the people, the real people, people parts of it. And the real artistry at the forefront. And and I mean a lot of them, you can tell, like the ones that just say, okay, I need a song about this, this, and this. And it makes it. You can kind of tell you those songs compared to what one like ones that people actually write and it takes and embellishes that. Yeah. The ones that they write, at least when I was playing with it, were kind of cheesy, you know, like you could tell it was AI. I did one for my my my daughter. Yeah. I was like, You want to sing? You want a song? I was like, Well, let's do one. She we came up with a concept of going on vacation. I can't wait for summer break. Okay. And uh we put in like, okay, what what do we want the ideas to be? So we put, okay, so the idea is to go to the beach on your summer break. Where do you want to go on your summer break? Disney, your summer, you know, the the theme parks, the beach. And so we put a whole bunch of stuff down for it, and it came out with it. And it's actually pretty cool, pretty cool kids song.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

You know, cheesy is a word that I don't think it's being used anymore. And I'll say, I'll tell you why.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

Is that based on the technology?

SPEAKER_01 18:51

It's based on the vast amount of uh AI producers that are cheesy.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

So there's no one that's cheesy. No one stands out to be like, you're not good, you're not good. Everyone's good. Yeah. And it's not really great quality stuff, but what are you doing? Am I uh putting in a sweet 16 song that's cheesy to someone? Oh, that's great. They hear their name. I'm 16, Nicole. They don't care if it's cheesy. You and I care. You and I care.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

I'm not, I'm not, I don't care that much. Let me tell you what I've discovered, right? Um, because the TikTok algorithm, it understands you, right? Yeah. So, um, whether people believe it or not, your your phone's listening. So I'm listening to my music on my my my Apple music, right? And it's it's it it reads your genre, it knows what you like, right? So I start scrolling on TikTok sometimes when I'm when I'm in the gym or whatnot, and I'm hearing the same similar types of music, right? And I feel the song I don't know their AI. I I like them, and I thought, I like this song, I want to get this in my playlist. So I immediately go to Apple Podcast, uh, Apple Podcast, Apple Music, and I'm searching for the song, like, why can't I find a freaking song? And this was going on for weeks, and then it hit me, Jelani. You can't find these songs because they're AI. And that's when it hit me. I like the song. It it didn't matter whether or not it was AI. I liked the song.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

And that was I mean number one hit in country. Yeah, yes, AI. It was like crazy. I don't know the depth of it. Have you looked into that song? Like, see if somebody actually wrote it and then put it in there, or if somebody just said, Hey, this is the kind of song I want.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

I'm just like, this is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

Let's dive deep about that because this is important. And David, I want you to chime in on it, going back to the copyright issue because Warner and a few of the others so sued uh Suna. And I think Warner settled theirs, and I forgot who else is still pending and whatnot. And and the copyright officer basically said, an AI-rendered song you don't own. You can't do the copyright on it, right? But going back to the idea of actually writing your own lyrics, because you have the option of writing your own lyrics, write your own song, you know, whether it's a poem or whatnot, figure out some sort of melody and then put that in there because that you can own. But then you have to set up your publishing with either BMI or ASCAP. I mean, you're with BMG or BMI or David.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

What is BMG BMG? I mean, I'm with um, I mean, I don't have a deal. I don't have a publishing.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

No, no, I just meant that with the publishing checks would come from for you.

SPEAKER_03 21:24

Ask.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

So my point is, you know, someone like you would be an advisor to someone in his position where he's doing both. He's doing just rendered, but you're actually writing stuff, original things too, as well, right? Um I'm assuming. Or of some of the people there are in AI.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

The other people in the room.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

So they need to understand that they can own the things that they're actually writing and creating and do it now, before the the things change and they miss out on all this money.

SPEAKER_05 21:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

And there's AI is a business for me. AI is not a hobby, it's not entertainment, it's not music. It's not fun. It's a business for me. So what he was saying, Dave, about how he was searching for a song and trying to shazam it and it wouldn't come up. I actually work with a company that we embed the tone into AI songs. And you're not intruding on the songs because they don't belong to anyone. And when people go to search for that song, they would have to buy the receiver for me in order to find out what's the name of that AI song? What's the name of that AI song? So there's so many ways that you can make money other than the rat race that's going on where everyone is like chasing the uh the sales and the views, which you'd make pennies on the on a view now. You you have to get what, 10,000 views to get a nickel?

SPEAKER_04 22:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

You know, to you and I, that's that's not money. We need real money. So you know you have to learn how to use AI as a business and not just for music. Use the music as a business tool.

SPEAKER_05 22:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Well, speaking of that, uh David, your show, you know, the boy band remix, I got the opportunity to see it again last week. It's even better than it and it was last year. And I was l as I was listening to the music from the show, because obviously you can't use the original music for copyright reasons or whatnot.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

You can, but you got them. You know.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

Do you see an opportunity there to improve the quality of of the music that you actually use for already did a couple of songs?

SPEAKER_03 23:26

For the remix. Wow. So my the name of my show is The Boy Band Remix. I remixed all the songs. Nice. All the hits from InSync, Backstreet Boys, New Kids on the Block, Boys to Men, New Edition, like all of them. And so, but but I actually went into a studio and did it. Okay. And so then I was thinking, hmm, I need to update these remixes. And I was like, I wonder if I can do it with AI. But it's it's a little tricky. Yeah, I'm sure you gotta finagle things.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Yeah. But it can be done. And someone, a producer who, with all the experience he has, that could be the synergy to help him tweak for the show.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

Yeah. Well, just like any great front man, we surround ourselves around great musicians. Yeah. That make us look so good to where she could get up in front of the sh the band and perform, and she'll sound good. I do the same thing. I surround myself around 37 of the greatest world's best AI music producers. It just makes me look good.

SPEAKER_05 24:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

I learn from them, and every day, Dave, I go in there and I go, You've gotta be kidding me. So our job is to keep refining the music and the machine and the platform to make it do things that uh most people are afraid to do, and that's challenge ourselves. So one night the ingredients may be make Motown songs with the Irish twists. And the song has to be about a blue car that turns into a red balloon, and when it pops, there's a little boy that comes out. That is the ingredients, and we challenge ourselves. We put the human element in it. And I just get chills thinking about how good these AI music producers are, how good they are. But I surround myself around people, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's my secret.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

You know, there there is something that's going on now, David. I I think you'll probably be aware of this. The the the they call it the the curse of the blue, the blue dots or the blue seats or whatever, where a lot of the major artists are trying to sell tickets for their concerts and they're canceling them because nobody's buying buying their own. It's tough out there. And and I think part of it has to do with not only how how expensive the tickets are, quite frankly. I mean, everything is costing more these days, but I think also it has to do with the fact that a lot of the songs that they would perform, I've heard them a lot of these people perform their songs. It doesn't sound the same, you know, and people go to the show not just to see David, but to hear David say sing the song the way I I mean I'm used used to it. And I think that's an opportunity for AI people to start AI people, singers to work with AI producers to put out quality shows that people will actually go see because they're not these million dollar a show stars, but like you just stated, they're no gatekeepers. You put a good song on YouTube, on TikTok, on Spotify, and it blows up, and all of a sudden you're able to perform it live. I think there's an opportunity there, you know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:20

That's what that's exactly why I'm in the process of redoing my album, the side album. It's all adult contemporary, but what I wanted to do is make it so that it's a format where I could go and do it with the Las Vegas Philharmonica or whatever, you know, like an orchestra and a band. Like and just be like, bam, you know. So now I gotta show like what's his face? No, I forgot his name. I said it a minute ago. Michael Bublet. You know, but my songs I wrote and they have a little more soul to them. And of course I have way more soul than he does, you know, when I'm singing. And so I'm just like, this is this is this is so cool. And I that's why I wanted to do, I want to redo my album. I want to put my vocals on it, but I'm in the process of like, okay, now I need to find a sponsor or investor to get me into the studio to record vocals and have them mixed and mastered and all that stuff. But that's given me the opportunity to improve this album and re- re-release it like nobody's heard it before, right? And be able to do shows with that. So that's what I'm excited about. Pick me.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

You know what it's you know, you know, I and and I just thought of something as you were speaking, David, because I was playing around with it last night, night before last, sorry. And two things I I I came upon that would be perfect for you. You can actually get the music to where you need it to be, and then take that into the studio and just do your vocals in the studio. No, that's what I'm saying. You know, like like that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But then but then the other thing that you have to be careful with is you it it doesn't really understand all genres yet. And I'll tell you why. He and I were talking about this in the last time we spoke, and we were talking about uh soca, calypso and and reggae. It knows reggae, doesn't know what soca is, and I proved it. Okay. And so music is a combination of soul music and calypso, that's where the name comes from. So it doesn't understand so music because I tested it, it did not put it out, it didn't know what it was, and then I tested just calypso, it's still learning calypso. It doesn't really understand calypso yet, but it knows everything else, not everything else, but I tested Eastern European Balkan music, I tested Bollywood um style music, reggae it knows because it's it's classic reggae, but it's still learning the nuances with there, so in there, so it it's still not one it it doesn't still replace a human, which is I think a good part of it, right? Because it still needs us.

SPEAKER_03 28:53

But it will, because every time somebody puts something in, exactly it learns it's learning to learning. And that that that's an interesting part that I read that let's say you put in a song, or let's say I put in a song, an original song, and it uses it, and now it's got that in its mind. This is this kind of song, and then somebody programs, you go and program, say, I want this, this, and this, and this, and that's exactly what I put in my now. You have my song, and you can use that vibe, and I'll be like, Hey, that's my song. And they're like, And that's what Sulo's saying, you guys fight it out.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

Right. Yeah, they don't want to have anything, you're responsible now for and putting the songs.

SPEAKER_03 29:32

And that's why when you said copyright it first before you put it in there, yes, then you can take that and you can tell that guy, hey, I copyrighted.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Yeah. That's why these conversations are great, because you just gave me the idea. You can literally take an idea. Because you just mentioned it earlier about cloning. Yeah. You can literally take a a Calypso song and play it in there and say, This is Calypso music. Right. And I want you to copy this, but clone the style, the sound, everything that the way you describe the prompt. Because then now it knows, ah, so this is Calypso. So when you ask me to do make this song you're putting in in the Calypso style, now it learns it. You just you just solved it for your own.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

And it's not, it's not reading the prompt. It's reading the if you can't get it exactly what you want it to be. Yeah. You just go through chat, you upload the song and say, extract the elements, the vibe, the feel, the understanding, the instruments, and it will give you everything. You take that, you throw it into Suno. Now you got your calypso.

SPEAKER_03 30:34

Dang.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

So you're not telling Suno to give you calypso, you're giving them the You're teaching it with Calypso is. Here's how Calypso is formed. So it gives you all the different instruments that are in that song to where Suno combines it and goes, This is Calypso.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

And I suppose if you don't know that, you can always research on the internet for an exact explanation of calypso music, like or so music. So is this, da da da? It's endless. It's inless. We could partly do it like that. But let's let's talk a bit about it.

SPEAKER_03 31:03

Yeah, but Chat GPT and those are gonna do it way faster than your research.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:07

You'll be there all day. I need a good definition.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Well, you know, I'm old and I'm still a geek and I love research, and I get into the weeds, so my favorite place in the world is still the library. So, you know, but you're right. Um AI would do it much faster than I would. But let's let's talk about A Idol for a bit and talk about the potential with A Idol. Tell David about AIDS. How did you come up with it? What was the vision and and bring him up to speed with where it is today?

SPEAKER_01 31:32

Well, first of all, I just want to say to David, you just you were in my head just now. I was thinking about this, and then when you said it, I heard it. And I'm going, it's a thing. Everything revolves around live bands. It's not so much about AI songs anymore. To me, how can I move to the next level? And the next level would be bands. If they can play any AI song, then it's no longer AI, and everyone is working together. You as a live musician, me as an AI music producer, we can coexist.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

Because right now there's still that battle of uh I don't want to let go of my old school ways and so forth. But when you mentioned about the Las Vegas thing, just thinking, I say, okay, let's say the budget is $10,000. Just throwing a number out there. I would say, hey, let's give $8,000 to the musicians. Because if you don't have them duplicating the songs and being the best musicians to bring out that whole vibe about the AI songs, it's pointless. You know, because the AI songs are generating and spitting out some amazing music. Provide the incentive. Yeah. And I and I came to A Idol because I had all this great music. My wife would listen to it, my friends would listen to it, but they would just listen to it, not really understanding what I'm trying to deliver.

SPEAKER_05 32:47

Right.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

In its entirety. Yeah. Oh, that sounds great. And they walk away. No, no, no, no, no, no. You have to finish listening to this from beginning to the end and the meat and potatoes in the middle. You have to hear all that, and nobody was getting it. So I said, I'm just gonna go on TikTok and just play my music. That's basically how it started. And when I hit that button to go live, the world of AI music producers came to me and they said, Hi, we do this too. And from that day on, uh three months ago till today, we depend on each other. We live in an AI bubble.

SPEAKER_02 33:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

Because we all ostracize, we all get talked about, and people coming our page and stepping on us, oh, this is not real music, but we know that this is different. This is something special.

SPEAKER_05 33:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

And I decided to just stick there as a host. I haven't played my music yet. They needed a place to come. So me being the elder, me not worrying about my ego and all of that. Let them have this.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

And the excitement that I saw in Jelani just now, that's the excitement I saw when I first started. And it was great to see you getting excited again because I don't have that excitement anymore. I just get blown away by the sound of AI, how it's improving.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

But it was just great to know that I'm in a world now where everyone gets it and it's growing.

SPEAKER_02 34:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

And what got me interested was Timberland. So Timberland's been using it for a while. And uh I watched some interviews with him and how he uses it. So he's like, he'll put his beat in there, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. He's like, all right, let me put it in Suno, see what it does with it. I want this feel with this feel, whatever, use this drumline. And see us, then he sees what AI does with it, and then he goes, I like that idea. So he does it for real. You know, he's using it as a tool to teach himself the next step. Right. So I thought that was brilliant. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

I was like, ooh, that's cool. And that's exactly what we're talking about. Putting it, using it, and then putting the human element towards it immediately.

SPEAKER_01 34:52

And he validated it for me. When I I was doing it a year before two years before he was. Oh, okay. So when he did it, I went, it's here.

SPEAKER_02 34:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:59

It's here. And because he validated it and made it, people kind of recognize that, hey, this is a thing.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

Well, that's the only reason why I even opened or got an app. My first app was Donna. I know. And then I was like, I know.

unknown 35:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:13

And then I saw him using Suno.

SPEAKER_05 35:15

I was like, oh.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

And I was like, oh, this meta. Yeah. But I will start I started out with Udio. Have you heard of Ulio? No. We're new to this. You're the eldest statesman when it comes to the music. Uudio was the oldest platform for AI music.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

It was, I'm not going to say cheesy. It was all I had. Yeah. And before that, you know, Donna and all of that. It was just standard. It was learning. It it was learning. It was just not, didn't give you any inspiration. It's just fun. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:47

It's sort of like the that's why I got the Donna app. I just thought it would be fun to play. It's just fun.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

And it's sort of like early drum machines. You know, the early drum machines are not in comparison to the drum machines we've got today. Or autotune when it came out.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

People listen to my wow, wow, wow. Oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

And now people don't even you don't even need autotune. Now they can actually fix it without autotune. Right. So you don't even use autotune anymore if you really know what you're doing, from what I've heard.

unknown 36:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:11

So when and some people use it for live stuff.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Yeah. I've heard too. Some have to. Yeah. Well, because again, and you know what, as a consumer, that wouldn't bother me. No. Because I'm not coming to your show spending $8,800 for you to sound like crap. I want you to sound like the record. I'm okay. So whatever you do to sound like the record, I'm fine with that. It's like no problem with that. Thank you for for doing that.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

I don't have a problem with that.

SPEAKER_05 36:35

Right.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

No neither. Right. So now, just like uh um all of the AI platforms, uh the written platforms, that's how many uh they're so much better now because I've been using AI for for for my business or we're for the last three years.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

Oh my gosh. And from the way it was, forget three years ago, the way it was two months ago to now. Absolutely. It's it's moving that quickly. The things that I'm able to do, even with you guys coming on this show, everything I do behind the scenes I use AI for because I don't have a big staff. I can't afford things. I mean, I've got an assistant and editor and whatnot, but everything else I use AI for, I've I've built my own AI agents in Claude and Music Perplexity and whatnot to where it knows my show. So when I'm preparing for the stuff, I'm having a conversation with my assistant. I'm going to be talking to David and Gerard today. Here's the angle that I want to get into with them. And da da da da da. No, I don't like that. What I want to do is this, this, and this. Now, how what's my overview? Because I don't prepare questions, I prepare a mental overview of the map, so to speak, of where I want to go, but not the destination. I consider the questions the destination as well as the answers. So I use it for that. And it and it's so different from when I started last year with you gentlemen to now. It's night and day. Oh, I can see it. It is n you know, thank you for saying that because you know he did the the I mean, I can literally see it and hear it. Yeah, he did the he speaking of that, he did the the the theme music for behind the story. By the way, okay. And no, no, don't give him any, don't don't dab him up yet. Because it's because he wants the remix. Because he said because he said on camera, well, that was when I was learning. I was an amateur. I said, so okay, so where's the updated remix version for my show? I have to live with the amateur demo. That was two weeks ago. I was like, come on. It's like, where's my my remix?

SPEAKER_01 38:27

And you know, with that being said, I want to say to Dave and to you, I tell everyone when they say I want to work with you, I said, you better get it now because I move fast. Yeah. AI allows you to move so fast. I do want to work with you. Yeah. Because it'll be fast. We don't have to sit around and get to know each other, and you get to eat my food and sit there till the sun, you know, all that. You come in, we get it done, and it's a rap. And I love it. That's so crazy.

SPEAKER_03 38:51

Because that's like you just brought back so many memories. I know the studio all night long. Imagine that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 38:59

Here's another memory. Ordering food. Yeah. I know. No watch, no clock. Here's another memory. I'm about to make David like go back in time. David wrote a song called Sex Attainer about 16 years ago. And it was produced by a friend of ours called DK. DK lives in LA. I'm living in Europe. I I heard the song and I was like, D, let's, let's, let me, let me feature on that. He's like, Yeah, yeah. Let's hook up with DK. I had to travel all halfway around the world from Eastern Europe all the way to LA to go into DK's house to sit in his garage in that foam booth to sing four bars. Could you imagine? Now it would be recorded.

SPEAKER_03 39:41

I had to go to LA. I don't even leave my bed. You know, he put that through AI. He just did a couple of different AI versions. He sent me one. I have it, and it's like a slow one with a girl singing it. Okay. And it's sexy.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

I was like, he did K-pop. DK produced K-pop. So did you? Did he put it through the K-pop style or more so it's not?

SPEAKER_03 40:06

No, no, no. He just did different versions. I don't know. He just sent me, it was a slower. Actually, I didn't even know the song when I first. You didn't remember your song. But no, no. But here's here's my reaction. I'm like, sounds like something I would write. Mm-hmm. And then they got to I'll be your strip. And I was like, that is what I wrote. This is my song. Holy moly. This is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

They it it's expected now. It's expected. If you don't have any AI element in your song, people really are gonna look at you sideways.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

You it's expected. You know? I think I think the the the key if I were an artist and having to navigate this environment, I would have a four-person band. I'd have a drummer bass guitar, a rhythm guitar, and a keyboardist that can trigger things. And that's all I need. I would do everything. I would do all my music AI, but my band would know my stuff so we can come in and just kill it live. You know, because then I'm coming to see David Nickel. I don't care that he used AI to write the songs. I like the song. And he I can watch him sing it live, not an AI character. And and maybe that's the age, you know, maybe the younger generation, they don't care about that stuff. Maybe that's why concerts are not selling that much. People at home, you know, in the virtual world. Maybe I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

Maybe I'm Well, you know what's funny is I that's part of my show. You didn't see this part because I didn't do it the other night. Okay. But it's I I just finished re-editing my show and combining everything that I think needs to be in there. And so what I do is after our intro, I come and say, basically, hey, how you doing? Welcome to the boy band remix. As you saw in the intro, you know, we found a time capsule of 80s and 90s boy bands. So we are here now, and you know that we're living in the year 3006. Our world is AI and all this stuff, you know, it's all fake. Like all we do is watch stuff on TV. So we have decided to bring this show to you live so you can hear it, you can see it, and you can feel it. Are you ready? You know, that's so now that's my take on my show. Right. So in my show is basically we're in three thousand the year three thousand and six, but we go back, we find a time capsule in the desert, in the middle of the desert, and it's like a VHS tape. Yeah. That has everything about the 80s and 90s boy bands. Right. And so we bring it to life. Right. And so, but I use that. Yeah. I said, like, we live in a world of virtual real ver virtual reality, AI. Absolutely. And we're gonna give you the treat of getting this alive, you know.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

So how would you if if if you speaking of uh, you know, going back in time, I remember the story of how you came up with digital get down. I hooked up with JC, JC Chazay. Can you imagine hooking up with him now and how that process would go between the two of you doing a s uh something in in in the way that AI music is now, putting both of your talents together and doing something now? Can you imagine what the the end product would be now?

SPEAKER_03 43:07

It would still be dope.

SPEAKER_00 43:08

No, it'd be more than dope.

SPEAKER_03 43:11

I mean, yeah, the fact that we could go in just like make little changes and we could write songs and have them recorded in an hour or 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 43:19

Yeah. And the quality, it's already it's already it's already mastered pretty much and balanced it's yeah, it's like we could write, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

I guess like you know, anybody now could just go if you have a studio, like I I don't want to say like you just do it in Suno. I think you use the Suno to help you in the real life. Sort of like the real life, right, and then you put the real life into Suno, and boom, you have it a demo to send to this label or whatever, or the speech artists like in 20 minutes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:51

I mean you can even use your Mac. Apple has uh the the built in um music platform where you can actually create the the basic ideas on yeah, yeah. The basic beats, basic ideas on there, and and and then use that. Because I keep pushing that idea because of the compensation part of it. I just, I still, I just, you know, I I we see the stories from people back in our time that they just got taken so advantage of to where they're still having to work now, not because they love what they do, because they really don't have a choice. Yeah. Because of how badly they were taken advantage of in the early stages of rap and and the boy band. So I keep pushing. I'm a victim. Yeah, gotta lock it down. I know for you it's just all the business stuff, but for your AI producers, you know, you really gotta hammer that home to them. That, you know, write lyrics so you can you can copyright, you can copyright a melody and lyrics. You don't need to copyright an arrangement. You know, you can copyright your demo.

SPEAKER_03 44:49

You can literally just write your lyrics out, take a picture of it, send it to a friend, it's there. Yeah. You now you have it time stamped and everything.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

And now, because we live in the digital internet age, you don't even have to do that anymore, David. You can literally upload it immediately on copy on the copyright um site because you can upload now and and you can even uh you can upload an AP3. Well, I go back to the data tape, tape in the mail and send it. Don't open it. I'll tell you a story about that. So I I I wrote a couple songs back in the 90s, right? And you had to send the tapes in and into the copyright office and whatnot. And I was curious whether they throw those away. They don't. I checked, they still have them. I got access to it. Really? They sets, they still have it. They they have it, they have them archived and and saved. Wow. Because they can't open up our stuff to convert it to MP3s or anything. Interesting. They can't do it legally. So they literally still have all those tapes. Yeah. I I check, it still existed. The dates, it showed the lyrics, and I'm like, oh my God, I was 14. This is so cheesy. It's kind of like a summer break, take the summer break song you talk about with your daughters. Yeah. But yeah, they still exist. But again, I'm hammering that home. You know, hopefully you share this episode with your people so that they can see, guys, you gotta take control of that. Even with it with podcasting, I figured out a way to get publishing on my podcast. I'll tell you guys off camera. I don't want to divulge the secret to other people, but there's a way to even get publishing on your podcasts. And if you know how to, if you understand how it works, I already said how you do it, but I'll tell you guys off camera. Gerard, what's next? Talk to us about AIDL. What's next with with the ideas and the next season? What's cut what's coming?

SPEAKER_01 46:34

Well, first of all, Dave is inspiring me because I finally found, you know, a brother in AI and you as well. And it's just a beautiful thing. I'm thinking about reinventing myself.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

You know, like I mentioned, there's no gatekeepers. You can look like this.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

You can be me and still be relevant in this AI world. What's next for me? Well, we're looking to go live in Las Vegas in the finals. Jelani actually presented it to the uh community, and I presented it to them yesterday, and they they were just blown away by the ideal. So we're gonna try to extend it as long as we can, and they don't mind. They're having fun. What are we gonna do? Finish it this week? Oh, we'll just keep going. So there's really no end to this. Right.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

Because they have Well, there's no end to American Idol as seasons at year after years.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

They have songs that are collecting dust. Yeah. They just need a place to play it. Yeah. So I say, let's battle. It's just not a matter of bringing out your best. It's just a room where we get to hear each other's song and respectfully judge it and say, oh, that's nice. That's nice.

SPEAKER_00 47:31

And the community still judges, right? That's how the judgment is.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Yeah, we we we listen to each other and judge it by saying what we would do. And that helps the next person because they may not have thought of that. So a lot of people do go off camera, work on it, and come back while they're while we're still on. Okay, because it's that fast.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

Oh, yeah, it's that fast.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

So this is how it used to work, too, and I think I'm gonna go back to this, Dave, is where I go, okay, today's ingredient is Jewish Mexican songs, and we're gonna sing about the snow falling on someone's head. They would go off the two people battling would go off screen for about 15 minutes. We give them 15 minutes max. Okay. And they come back, boom, just a song like that. Wow. And then the next group would go, and the next group would go. So the next thing is just to keep this machine well oiled. And the way to do that is keep them excited.

SPEAKER_00 48:21

You know, how many seasons have have they been of AIDL so far? It's been three. Three seasons. So here's a few suggestions of what you could do. For the first live finals that you're gonna have here, since the the first three seasons did not they weren't able to benefit from it, take the winners from all three seasons to battle in the first live final. So everybody gets an opportunity. Because it would be seeming maybe a bit unfair that only the current season or whenever you start live. That's the point. Or you could just restart the live season and say, hey, this next season, everybody, and you invite all the previous people back, so it's fair, and everybody competes in the new season that the finals will be live.

SPEAKER_03 49:03

I like that idea.

SPEAKER_00 49:04

You know what I mean? And you do it that way.

SPEAKER_03 49:05

What is your concept of the live?

SPEAKER_00 49:07

So it's his concept. My idea was you have real judges like American Idols does, and I I volunteer.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

And I volunteered. I volunteered, Dave as well.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

So you have the judges. It it'll be like maybe at the theater that the the boy band remix is going to be at on June 12th. We'll talk about that in a minute. Some place that so they can be an a live audience. Yeah. We have a house band. Okay. That the house band will learn the music of the finalists. Okay. And we have vocalists. They can provide their own, or we, the show, can provide the vocalist. So there's a performance. Or if not a vocalist, dancers, if it's a fungi. So it's entertainment for the crowd. So if this person says, hey, my music, I don't want to, I don't want a live vocalist. We're going to use the vocals, but I'm going to have choreography and I'm going to DJ and stuff. So there's an inter so it's a human performance with the crowd.

SPEAKER_03 49:58

Well, that's where I was going. Because I was like, I feel like it, if it's live, it needs to be like former.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

Yeah, correct.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

Just sitting there and playing a song.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

No, no, no, no, no. Live singers. Live singers, live live performers. And then and we just have to remember for us, we're not judging the live singer. We're judging the song.

SPEAKER_03 50:18

Which does what they have, the world song contests or European song contests every year. Yeah. And it's just about the song. Yeah. And you know, you have live performers.

SPEAKER_00 50:28

I think Bulgaria won this year. Was it Bulgaria? I think it was Bulgaria one. I'm not sure. The Euro saw Europe Euro contest. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:34

But yeah, like, you know, it's about the song.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

Yeah. So that's kind of like the idea. We're still fleshing it out because I told them about it last year.

SPEAKER_03 50:41

It's another idea. You do contests. Let's say, okay, we have the World Cup is coming up in a couple weeks. We'll get too late to try to get the main song for that. But, you know, like you could do contests, okay, the Super Bowl for next year. We want the song for the Super Bowl. We're going to have a contest. Whoever comes up with the best Super Bowl contest, the NBA finals, who has the NBA Finals song? You know, 4th of July is coming. There's different contests you could do within there as well. And you can get the NBA to be a sponsor, say, hey, we're going to do a competition for the best AI NBA final song. We need, we need you to sponsor this.

SPEAKER_00 51:26

He just triggered the memory of what the first thing you can do. One of my fond, I have so much fond memories of him. And reason because we weren't we were on the road together and we were buddies on the road. And there was one time we were in Canada. This is back in the late late 2000s. We're in Canada, 30 below weather, freezing our what uh what you know off. And he had to call into a radio station to sing live at like eight in the morning. Nobody's voice is up like eight in the morning. But guess what? He had to sing the Star Spangled Banner. And he's in the car right next to me, just belting out the Star Spangled Banner at like eight, nine in the morning. And that triggered what you just said, David, where 4th of July is coming up. You have enough time to do a 4th of July competition theme, a patriotic theme. First of all, what a great story. What a great story. Oh, David, Dave and I could tell you stories about being on the road. I mean, you would not believe the stories. Some of them we can't tell. Some of them we can't tell. And and I will tell you, he will agree with me. I'm so glad we did all what we did before social media. I wouldn't put it down. I'm so I feel bad for the people in this era. I'm so glad the 2000s was not like that. Because David, the things that we did. Yeah. It's just anyway. But yeah, back to the July for July 14th. Because again, D, it's the 250th anniversary. Yes. So you've got the 250th anniversary of America. Now, to be clear, I'm not telling anybody they have to be patriotic. It's your thing. I'm just saying we're talking about the music.

SPEAKER_03 53:01

Well, I'm gonna tell you if you live in America and you're not patriotic, then you're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 53:04

I'm just saying music transcends everything, in my opinion. So we're talking about music.

SPEAKER_03 53:08

So the theme could be the 250th anniversary of America, you know, 4th of July, and that could be something that you could probably get sponsors around because everybody's talking about and actually Wow, I just had a weekend with three amazing Patriots, and they are all involved with the like the top five or six Patriot type podcasts in the world. So I could get this played on like the number one show. Like the winners, the winners or the finalists, the finalists or the winners, or the winner, yeah. You know, I can I'm pretty sure I can make that happen. And I have the platform. Now, do we get to be in the contest too? Because I want to see.

SPEAKER_00 53:55

You can't be in a contest. That's good. That's like veto in that. That would be it would be Lionel Richie sitting at the desk saying, I'm gonna come up and perform with the people. You can't do that. That's not fair. No, no, I'm gonna veto that. You can be you can be like the the guest.

SPEAKER_03 54:11

I don't know. I I need a good I was gonna write one anyway. See, you could be the guest star.

SPEAKER_00 54:16

You could be the guest star. Because you know how the idol always has like a star sometimes doing a guest performance. Oh, yeah. So you could be the guest started.

SPEAKER_03 54:26

I'm saying I'm singing the song. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:28

Even better. You open the show with what's the standard. I wrote a song and I'm also singing it, and there's the standard, and you guys can follow off the that.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

I I love this ideal. Um, I don't like talking, I like moving. Because AI moves quick. Trust me, I'm already at your place. Okay, good. Like right now. Good. Excellent. Okay, excellent.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

Before we go, Dave, Boy Band Remix has a big show coming up. Let's close out with that. Tell me.

SPEAKER_03 54:53

Yes. Uh June 12th, here in Las Vegas, Freedom Hall. Speaking of Patriots. Freedom Hall in Anthem. It's our first theater show. So we're super excited. We've been doing lounges and not lounges, but showrooms. Yes. And now we're for this is this is the key moment that can take us to the next level of touring around different, you know, places around the United States and Europe now that we can get this video of us in a theater. Wow. 300 seats, not huge. Right. Um, but I know that we've already sold like 161 and we still got two and a half weeks to go. Right. So um 300 is gonna be gone, it'll be sold out. Perfect. Um just go to free freedom hall in Anthem, look it up, and uh find it, or or just I'll I will put a link to the boy band tickets on boybandremix.com. Okay. I'll be doing that either tonight or tomorrow. But boyband remix.com, check us out on Instagram, it's the boy band remix. On Facebook, it's the boy band remix. So yeah, follow us, check us out. It's it's it's a great throwback to the 80s and 90s, and now we just added the 60s and 70s because um we're doing senior communities and stuff like this. The Freedom Hall is more of a 55 and over. Right. So we added uh the Temptations, the Four Tops, the Osmonds, Jackson 5, and then you know, then we go through a little timeline where those were the inspirations of the new generation that would become the phenomenal era of boy bands in the 80s and 90s. And then we do a little montage for uh new edition, because in my book, they were the original boy bands. And he's gonna do a little spot for us.

SPEAKER_02 56:45

Why do I feel this way? Why does she stay on my mind?

SPEAKER_03 56:51

Here we go. Here we go. So yeah, that'll be the third, that's the 12th, June 12th, and then the June 13th is Star Bright in Summerlin, Star Bright Theater in Summerland. That's gonna be there's two theaters. So we're we need everybody that loves boy bands to come on out, sing along with us, stand up, have a good time. We're gonna give it on video, and then we're gonna send it around the world, and we hope to start touring from this.

SPEAKER_00 57:15

Perfect. Well, we'll leave it there. We're out of time, but we'll leave it there. Gerard, David, my brothers, love you both so much. Thank you for being here. Pleasure, man. Pleasure, man.

SPEAKER_05 57:24

Let's go to your house. Let's go, baby.

SPEAKER_00 57:28

Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_04 57:52

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