maybe the crystal is helping

Did motherhood make us more "woo-woo"... or just a little more open-minded?

This week we're talking crystals, breathwork, meditation, fertility journeys, and all the things we used to think we'd never be into. Turns out when life gets messy—and motherhood reminds you how little control you actually have—you start looking at things a little differently.

We're not here to convince anyone that crystals have magical powers. We're talking about why so many moms find comfort in rituals, intentions, and anything that helps us feel a little more grounded.

Plus: the weirdest thing Kendall has ever done to get pregnant, the Joshua Tree crystal shop that cracked this whole conversation open,, and a listener submission that got the laugh we needed. 

If you've ever caught yourself thinking, "okay...maybe I'll try it..." ...wait...same.

Key Takeaways

• Motherhood has a way of softening our certainty and opening us to things we never thought we'd try.
• Sometimes rituals aren't about magic—they're about creating intention, hope, and a sense of control.
• Fertility journeys can lead us to unexpected places, emotionally and spiritually.
• You don't have to choose between science and curiosity; many moms find value in both.
• Kids will humble you in public...especially when they're learning anatomy.

Mentioned Links & Resources

• Soul of Yoga
• All About Penises (children's anatomy book)
• All About Vaginas (children's anatomy book)

Listener Submissions

Email your voice notes to waitsamepodcast@gmail.com

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DM them to us on Instagram:  @wait.same.pod

Transcript

Kendall (00:00)
So we were at this great resort, and we got super lucky that the one full day that they we were there, the weather was great. Like we were expecting it to be mid sixties the entire time. The weather was great. It was sunny, it was 70s. Both kids napped, which

Emily Gorrie (00:12)
Nice.

Kendall (00:22)
I'm not always a fan of my oldest napping. I mean, you tell me that when he's awake at n 10 o'clock at night. ⁓ but like you're right, vacation vacation doesn't count. But ⁓ so both kids, because we were in the pool all morning, we went to breakfast, they ran around a bunch, and both kids napped, and that day.

Emily Gorrie (00:26)
Vacation doesn't count.

Okay, fair.

Yeah, yeah. Totally.

Kendall (00:52)
The kids are like obsessed with the pool. The pool was right within like, you know, a stone's throw, as they say, from our room. That morning, Charlie woke up and she literally was like, I'm gonna go to the hot tub at six in the morning. And I was like, Okay, well, we're not gonna do that. But I like that you're happy. Exactly. Living her best life. So after naps, we get everybody.

Emily Gorrie (01:13)
Living her best life. Yeah.

Kendall (01:21)
In swimsuits, which, as you know, even if they want to do it, can sometimes be harder or like easier said than done. We go to the pool, the pool's packed. We s we find some, you know, ⁓ lounge chairs, we're putting sunscreen on, which again, easier said than done with kids this age. Ugh honestly, I wish they would just wear like swim shirts. They will not.

Emily Gorrie (01:27)
Yeah.

I hate the sunscreen. Yeah.

That would

be too easy. Yeah.

Kendall (01:52)
It would be too easy. It would make my life too easy. So

everybody is sunscreened.

And we start hearing these like murmurings from other people at the pool that somebody threw up. Yeah. Yeah. And suddenly the pool is empty. Except for like two kids.

Emily Gorrie (02:06)
No. In the pool? No.

Kendall (02:19)
And the hot tub has 30 people in it suddenly. And so right. And so we w we tell Owen and Charlie, we're like, okay, we're gonna walk around the pool and just like check it out. And so we're walking Pierre and I are walking around the pool. And there wasn't like a t like, I don't think anyone got sick a ton, but there were definitely like Pierre, I said to Pierre, I was like,

Emily Gorrie (02:22)
Yeah. That's where I'd wanna be.

Kendall (02:46)
That's definitely vomit. Like that chunky thing floating. Yeah. That's. And we were walked by, we walked by this little girl on a lounge chair, and Pierre was like, Yeah, somebody definitely threw up. Cause as we walked by, I heard her mom say, It's okay, honey. It happens to everyone. And

Emily Gorrie (02:49)
Cloudy.

And that little

girl ruined everyone's vacation.

Kendall (03:12)
Literally, I told Pierre, I was like, Well, that just goes to show how it takes one person to spoil it for everyone. But so I asked, there's another pool at the resort, and so I asked the I say kid, but he was probably in his early 20s, the kid who's like on lifeguard duty, but probably not a lifeguard. And

Emily Gorrie (03:17)
Yes. no.

Yeah.

I hope he's trained at least a little bit.

Kendall (03:38)
I I hope so too. But I was like, hey, so how do we get to the other pool? Because somebody threw up in this pool and he goes, Wait, what?

And I was like, yeah, you're not conf Yeah, you're paying attention. You're not confused why suddenly everyone is out of the pool and in the hot tub. Like, and he was like, ⁓ man, I had to be the bearer of bad news. So that was a highlight of our vacation. We did go to the other pool. It was less good, but we had like

Emily Gorrie (03:48)
good, you're paying attention, man.

You broke it to him.

Ha ha.

Ugh. Were you able to get in the other pool?

Kendall (04:17)
thirty minutes to swim before we had to get ready for dinner. So it worked out.

Emily Gorrie (04:22)
Okay.

Okay.

But just you know my like second thought was besides that kid ruined it for everyone. Thank God it wasn't your kid.

Kendall (04:34)
Yeah, honestly. Yeah. Well and you have kinda you have a puker, so

Emily Gorrie (04:35)
It scares me sometimes, like the embarrassment.

I do have a puker. ⁓ it's so true.

This is my future.

let's dive into what I want to talk about today. Because last episode we briefly, briefly mentioned our trip to Joshua Tree and the Crystal Shop. And I want to talk a little bit about that. Because I think we like kind of gave our listeners a little bit of a nugget on how we spend some of our time, but we maybe want to

Kendall (05:21)
Please.

Mm. ⁓

Emily Gorrie (05:43)
Open this door with them a little bit. ⁓ I don't necessarily want, we're not gonna go into science today. I don't have like any of like research on some of these more like woo-woo things. We're not doing that. I just want to talk about our experience in that crystal shop and see where life takes us today. So before we chime in, did you buy crystals at that crystal shop when we went to Joshua Tree? You did. Okay. So

Kendall (05:53)
Well thank God.

Yeah, of course I did.

Emily Gorrie (06:12)
I vaguely remember that. We did spend a lot of time in there.

Kendall (06:14)
It was just our two other

friends Yeah, it was just our two other friends who left the crystal shop because they were not into it and the incense was too much which like I get. I very much get but they had no interest in the crystals and you and I did.

Emily Gorrie (06:24)
It was pretty strong. It was pretty strong.

Yes.

I feel like before I became a mom, I was not into crystals. I mean, you've seen me through my like many evolutions of.

Adult Emily. Now I feel like once I became a mom and I like started to experience like, you know, some of the like harder life things that we like navigate in like true life fashion, I really found myself starting to like ease some of my opinions on things that I like felt really like strongly about before. Crystals being one of them. I feel like there are definitely some things that I was like, ⁓ I would not do that when I'm a mom, but like I'm doing it now.

Crystals being one of them. Meditation also is another one that I've evolved into over time.

Kendall (07:19)
Can I ask you, do you feel like that is that lessening is because you've like found more ownership of what you really want rather than like outside voices? Or is it you your s your your own opinion has changed?

Emily Gorrie (07:41)
Okay, therapy. ⁓ a little I know, it's so fair. ⁓ honestly, I think a little bit of both. I think a little bit of both. I think, I mean, growing up like was very much like one way, right? And that's how we we all are like that, right? I mean, we we experience what our parents experience. My parents were very much into like the science, the medical, it's this way and it's only this way.

Kendall (07:43)
Sorry I genuinely am just curious.

Emily Gorrie (08:10)
So yes, I've evolved as a human like over time and I've like started to build like my own adult life and I could, you know, kind of ease myself out of certain holes or paths or whatever. But I also think it's like a little bit of like, ⁓ it's just kind of fun. Like it brings like more like joy a little bit back into my day, like without having to be like, the science behind this like says whatever, whatever. And I so I just think like, and

I'm a little bit more like open spiritually with like this like understanding of like there's something larger than just the human at play. There's gotta be. There's like no way that like and it's I'm gonna I wanna share something that I wasn't planning on sharing right now, but I want to like when I'm taking a breathwork class, I think you know this, ⁓ through Soul of Yoga in Encinitas. And one of the ⁓ teachers that came a couple of months ago.

Kendall (08:52)
Yeah.

Emily Gorrie (09:09)
Is Jessica Dibb and she runs like the Global Breath Work Alliance, among other things. She's a breath worker. And she said something so beautiful to me that I think really resonates as a mom. She's well, she didn't say it to me, she said it to the class, but she talks about breath as something larger than us. It's a universal language because everybody does it, right? On this, like all human beings, regardless of language, regardless of physical abilities.

Kendall (09:32)
Mm.

Emily Gorrie (09:37)
breathe, right? We have to breathe to be on this planet. ⁓ and when we're born, nobody teaches us how to breathe, right? We're waiting for the baby to take their first breath. But something larger than us, right, has created all, I mean, you can go physically, you know, scientifically into like why we breathe, you know, the synopsis in the brain, go to like this organ tells, you know, there's all like the medical behind it exists, but something

Created it, right? Something larger than us breathes into us for the first one. And then all of these beautiful organs and body parts and chemical reactions work together to keep that going while we're on this planet. And it's such a beautiful thing. So I I feel like when I became a mom for one, I mean, having a child is like one of the most wild things. Like your body just knows what to do. Who told it what to do? I didn't tell it what to do, just knew what to do.

So I guess my point being is like I've had so much more of like a spiritual openness. So that when we walked into that crystal shop in Joshua Tree, I was like, there could be something here for me. There could be something here for me. Right? I mean, when did your openness to crystals start? Because you seemed pretty cozy in that shop walking around. You like knew what you were looking for.

Kendall (10:47)
Ha ha ha

Yeah, I mean, I think like, well, so crystals are one thing. I think like wooiness in general is a little bit of a different, maybe not a different story, but I think crystals in particular, interestingly for me, had a s origin story in kind of in motherhood, but in a very different way.

Emily Gorrie (11:27)
Okay.

Kendall (11:28)
So

I you know this, but ⁓ some of our listeners won't know this. ⁓ I we experienced, you know, like an infertility journey and before getting pregnant with our first, and it was three and a half years, and in that three and a half years.

you know, maybe the first maybe the first year and a half, I'm trying to think back, ⁓

Yeah, maybe the first year and a half you're kinda like

not throwing spaghetti at the wall. You're not desperate yet, but like it's not going well. They're

Emily Gorrie (12:15)
Yeah.

There's not usually like

a plan. You're just kinda like, This is what I'm supposed to do.

Kendall (12:23)
Well, because usually fertility clinics too want you to have tried for a certain amount of time before they'll see you. Or unless obviously like unless if you have a medical condition that is known, yeah, then it then it's a little different. But typically ⁓ fertility clinics want want to have a little bit of data. And so

Emily Gorrie (12:34)
Mm, okay.

Like a diagnosis or something. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Kendall (12:52)
You know, I certainly was I at like a year and a half, two years, you know, I was I had like the ovulation tests and was doing I I ⁓ have PCOS, so I have abnormal cycles, so I was trying to do like all the cycle tracking and taking supplements. ⁓ and then I would say by the time we got to

By the time we got to two years, I started

Just trying more. I think like the infertility journey is really emotional. And I think it feels really it it can feel really chaotic. And it feels like you're out of control because your body isn't doing what it's quote unquote supposed to, right? Like

Emily Gorrie (13:29)
Hmm.

Mm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Kendall (13:52)
I think as teenage girls were all told like you have sex one time and you're gonna get pregnant and then you start trying to get pregnant as an adult and it's months and years and your body's not working and people around you are getting pregnant and it's it's really emotional. And so I think it ⁓ for me turning to trying things

Emily Gorrie (14:21)
Mm.

Kendall (14:22)
was something that could at least kind of ground me in some level of control.

Emily Gorrie (14:28)
Totally.

Kendall (14:29)
So like I started doing acupuncture. I I think I'd started working with an my energy healer before this point. ⁓ but like I was doing acupuncture, I was doing ⁓

Emily Gorrie (14:43)
Yeah.

Kendall (14:53)
like I said, all the s all the supplements, all the tests, all the basal body temps.

Emily Gorrie (14:58)
Mm.

Kendall (15:02)
Like anything I could get well, and that's where it that's kind of where the the crystal started was like, if I can bring fertility into my life, if this if this is some magical, you know, like again, I think I as a person am fairly

Emily Gorrie (15:02)
Crystals for like love.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Kendall (15:25)
I think I grew up fairly science backed. I think I still am for the most part. My husband is like all science backed. No woo-woo. No belief in magic. ⁓ but at that point I was just like

Emily Gorrie (15:29)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Kendall (15:43)
I don't know. Like the science isn't working. So like if this stupid blue crystal yeah, like exactly what's the harm? If this stupid blue crystal is gonna at lake

Emily Gorrie (15:44)
Yeah.

What's the harm?

It's not like you're ingesting

the blue crystal and you're like hoping it'll like heal all like internal you know, like there's no

Kendall (16:01)
Well

yes, to be clear, there are people who ⁓

Emily Gorrie (16:03)
What yes.

Kendall (16:09)
I'm trying to think about a way to say this not offensively. It's gonna be offensive to some, so apologies. There are people who like shove crystals up their hoo ha. I was yes, just like a just like a Kegel stone. Yes. I was not doing that. Let me be clear.

Emily Gorrie (16:20)
No. No.

keep ⁓ yeah okay

pelvic fork got it okay what

Kendall (16:30)
Yes.

Emily Gorrie (16:34)
Now we just entered we I know, but we just entered a realm of woo-wooiness that I have not entered yet. I didn't know that. No?

Kendall (16:34)
I was not one I was not one of them. I would like to clarify.

You didn't know this?

Yeah.

They're weird people who do I mean, I don't know, maybe that's not fair to call that weird, but I feel like inserting something into your body feels like a little odd.

Emily Gorrie (16:54)
I would be so in

Okay, I would be really intrigued. I don't want to do it. Let me just qualify that. That is not something that I don't think I would ever be comfortable doing, but I would be really intrigued to learn more in that. In that. So, like, and I share that because I'll mention my breath work class just really quickly. Like, I'm learning a lot about the history of breath work and like the traditions and the scriptures where this was originally like written.

you know, by ⁓ you know, monks and we can go, yeah, some in Buddhism, ⁓ like Indian philosophy, yogic philosophy, like there's so much of this. And it's written in like, you know, ⁓ Sanskrit, other, you know, languages that are being like translated. There's like books on the whole thing, thousands and thousands and thousands of years. So there's a lot of history to like breath work and like the benefits of it and

Kendall (17:30)
What scriptures? Like Buddhism?

Stands great.

Emily Gorrie (17:57)
transcending and finding, you know, like ⁓ states of bliss. And then there's starting to be the the science behind it. There's a lot of like, you know, scientific research that's being done on, you know, ⁓ brain waves and what it, you know, what meditation does to those and you know what states it can get you in and things like that. Like it's starting to really be studied. But my point of sharing that is is I'm wondering if like crystal insertion

has a long history of ⁓

presence? I don't know. Like, is there a is there a history of that? I don't know. Do you know what I mean? Like, who was the first person that inserted a crystal into their Vijay J and decided that that was like working for them? And how did they convince others? I'm just curious, like what there's also like a lot of like, you know, there's a lot of ⁓ in like yogic tradition, there's like some, you know, not so great like sex sex, you know,

Kendall (18:41)
I know what you

Mm.

Emily Gorrie (19:03)
launched off of like, you know, tradition and stuff. So like, you know, this could be one of them in the crystal world. So I'm just curious, like, what's its history? Now I'm gonna research this and I'll do a solo episode and share it with everyone. Cause I wanna know. Would anybody else want to know this? Who's the first person that put a crystal inside?

Kendall (19:22)
Curious, but like I

Emily Gorrie (19:23)
Why?

Kendall (19:29)
I'm a little worried for you if you're gonna do that research.

Emily Gorrie (19:32)
I'm gonna have to like do it on like a private browser or something, right? Like or maybe I need a book. I'm gonna go to the library. We talked about the library. I'm gonna go library. There has to be books on crystals.

Kendall (19:36)
I don't even know if that's

I would love for you

to go to a library and ask a librarian, hi, do you have any books on crystals and vaginas? And I I would love to hear the resort.

Emily Gorrie (19:47)
Yeah.

Maybe we like don't go that way. Maybe it's like crystals

and like feminine energy.

stuff. I'm gonna work on my search terms.

'Cause feminine energy and crystals sounds really good. And like that's like really aligned, but like not not the path I'm looking to go in my research. How did we get here? Anywho

Kendall (20:17)
Yeah.

Yeah.

So anyways, anyways, I

started getting crystals. Anyways, I started getting crystals. mainly around like fertility. And ⁓ I don't I mean I didn't have like a ton at first. ⁓ and then you know, again, I was like entering throwing spaghetti at the wall mode.

Emily Gorrie (20:37)
Okay.

Yeah.

Kendall (20:54)
And so I

I would charge my crystals in the moonlight when it was a full moon, because you're supposed to do that. I yeah, I have I would sage them and put intentions into them. So you like, you know, you're supposed to pour an intention into it or have like a

Emily Gorrie (21:02)
Yeah. Yeah. Reminds me I need to cleanse my shunkite soon. Yeah.

Yeah.

Kendall (21:26)
A mantra for it. So I have I would have a different mantra for each of my crystals. At that point, I think I had like four. and so yeah, so I was doing that. And then I again like I w I think what I liked about it was it was it felt like giving me some form of

Emily Gorrie (21:28)
Yeah.

Love.

Kendall (21:53)
Power or control. And then I do think that I liked the mantra element of it of like focused attention or focused thought.

Emily Gorrie (21:57)
Mm, mm.

Yes. Well what you focus on expands, right? That's the energy we attract. Yeah.

Kendall (22:05)
Exactly. That's the idea.

And so then what I started doing was I wouldn't I won't say forcing. ⁓ strongly encouraging my science backed husband that at the front of or at the start of the year, it would be fun if we had a

tradition where like we went to a crystal shop and like picked out instead of having resolutions that we like kind of pretend to have for January and then forget, I was like, what if we bought like a crystal that's like a physical manifestation of our resolution and like you can get one, I'll get one, and then we'll have a shared one.

Emily Gorrie (22:51)
Yeah.

Kendall (23:05)
And I mean, admittedly, with kids that's fallen off, but we did it for like a solid, I don't know, four years. And he like would agree to go to the crystal shop and I would take 45 minutes to pick out a crystal because I wanted one that really because I I will say this is where I'm gonna get a little wooy. I do really there is something energetic in a crystal where like

Emily Gorrie (23:11)
Wow.

Mm.

Kendall (23:33)
Again,

I I like it's so hard to articulate, but if you've experienced it, you know it, where like you can pick one crystal up and hold it and it just kind of like maybe it feels like the texture feels nice or like it's pretty. And then you can pick another crystal up, and even if it's like aesthetically less beautiful to you, like you sometimes you pick up a crystal and there's like a vibration and a ⁓

Emily Gorrie (23:56)
Yeah.

Kendall (24:03)
It feels like a shock of energy to you.

Emily Gorrie (24:07)
I think that's a lost art for people because it w I am a big believer that we all are able to tap into that energy. We just don't know how, or we haven't slowed down enough to like be aware of what we're looking for in those moments.

Kendall (24:18)
Hm.

Yeah.

Emily Gorrie (24:26)
So it's interesting to that you share that because I I feel like so I also am working with an energy healer as of late, which you know, and he has tasked me with being more present in my interactions. And he says, you know, over the last week, like have you felt any differently? And I said, I've felt a lot more discernment in the nose, like a where my energy is being tasked and I need to ⁓ pivot, but he's

also asking me from a like positive vibrational standpoint, like are you when you're in a situation that is aligned, that is you're you're you're narrowed in, you're zoned in, like this is your vibe. Do you feel what do you feel in your body? And I'm like, I don't know.

Kendall (25:18)
Mm.

Emily Gorrie (25:19)
So there are there are different vibrational

Kendall (25:22)
See, I was like, I I like can think of three times this week where I felt like that. And I like know how it feels in my body.

Emily Gorrie (25:29)
I need to pay more attention. Yeah.

So yeah, it's like our bodies are such are the

like baseline. They're able to tell us if we're only able to listen on you know, where we're meant to be. Anyway, we can go down that whole rabbit hole another time if we want.

Kendall (25:44)
No,

but that's I mean, that's how I got into kind of crystals. And I I admittedly, I actually think since so like for me it was a motherhood journey, but it was like a wanting to be a mother journey. And then I think like with the kids, ⁓ I mean we talked about this over the phone this week, but like you have crystals for like EMFs in your kids' rooms.

Emily Gorrie (25:56)
Yeah, yeah.

Kendall (26:12)
I have no crystal. Like I haven't bought a new crystal since we were in Joshua Tree. ⁓

Emily Gorrie (26:16)
Yeah. So I bought those

in Joshua Tree because I was trying to appease my level of control in a s in that situation. No, I know. I know. You never judge me, which I'm so grateful for. ⁓ yeah, because so for anybody who doesn't know, I bought Shungite, which is a like black mineralized carbon essentially, that ⁓

Kendall (26:26)
Yeah. No, I and I don't I don't say that with like literally any judgment, by the way. Literally none.

No.

Emily Gorrie (26:46)
In the holistic space, I think historically it's been used to like filter water, ⁓ but can be done like unsafely. So like, you know, take that with a grain of salt, but has also been used to like ⁓ block electromagnetic fields. And with all of this technology, like the Bluetooth, the charging, like, you know, and some health things that we've navigated in this family, I was like, ⁓ we're gonna.

We're gonna get that. And I don't think there's really any research behind like science, behind like the effectiveness of this type of ⁓ crystal. But why not? And it they're cute, they're like little balls. And my kids each have one on their nightstands, which has their like sound machines on it, ⁓ which is also across the room, by the way. You know, we're like, you know, we're put in the space, we're put in the space. I have one on my nightstand. I bought Seth one too for his nightstand.

Kendall (27:19)
But like why not?

Emily Gorrie (27:39)
Because, you know, we still have like the charging phones. I still have the monitor on the side. You know, and there's a lot of

fear mongering out there these days. And I have not done my own research on ⁓ like reading up on like the science behind like the detriment of electromagnetic fields and Bluetooth. And you know, so there's a lot of people you see, particularly on the internet, switching back to wired headphones because the Bluetooth, you know, fields, you know, to your phone or, you know, causing issues in people's bodies. There's

I actually know more than one person in my orbit who have switched back to flip phones because smartphones are so ⁓ detrimental. So I guess my point is is I'm hearing a lot of this noise. So when I walked into that crystal shop and there were these cute little darling Shangite balls, I was like, great, we're gonna get five of those. I'm gonna place them around my house. And I feel like I'm a little bit in control of this piece of my life.

Kendall (28:36)
Ha ha ha.

Emily Gorrie (28:47)
Right? Feels good. Right? Yeah. And then every now and then the balls look like toys and they get thrown. And I'm like, that's not what that's for. Put it back. I just thankfully they haven't been ⁓ swallowed. That's another ingestion piece I always worry about, but

Kendall (28:48)
I love it. I love that. Yeah.

Ha ha ha.

Yeah. And hopefully like knock

on wood, you're kinda out of that

No, okay.

Emily Gorrie (29:14)
No, you would think. And then just yesterday I was like, get that out of your mouth. He's not a big like sensory in the mouth seeker. Olivia is. He's not, but every now and then he does it because he knows it gets my attention. How do you not? You have to respond. I'm like, get that out of your mouth. And he's like, like this. Mmm. And he like spits it out on his tongue. So I know it's like a an intentional thing, but

Kendall (29:23)
Seeker.

Emily Gorrie (29:44)
We're still very much in that phase. We're also more in the throwing phase, so the the rocks tend to get thrown a little bit more than I would like them to. Yeah.

Kendall (29:46)
I get that.

god. ⁓

you know what is probably the wooyest thing I've ever done?

Emily Gorrie (29:58)
Yes.

Kendall (30:00)
⁓ so kind of crystal related. So in I think the end of September, may ⁓ maybe early October, end of September of 2021, my parents and Pierre and I went to Santa Fe and honestly had a ball. It was so much fun.

And but Santa Fe is like Santa Fe's really cool in general. Amazing art, great like food. But I think what's really interesting, great music, but I think what's really interesting about Santa Fe is it's kind of this hybrid amalgamation of indigenous peoples culture and wooiness. Like

Emily Gorrie (30:51)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Kendall (30:58)
⁓ but not all of like some of the wooiness is more a shamanic tradition and aligned with indigenous culture, like indigenous peoples culture, which they're exactly. Right. But I think and pri predominantly I believe somebody correct me in in the comments, but I think predominantly it's ⁓ Navajo in that

Emily Gorrie (31:07)
Yeah.

We're just labeling it as woo woo, which is like their traditions, essentially. Yeah.

Kendall (31:27)
part of the world. But there's also like, because there are these, because there were these like roots of shamanic tradition, I think now it's like dovetailed into more kind of woo-woo things. But ⁓ because I was with my parents who are not very woo, we did not do any of the really woo-woo things.

Except for two things. So one, we went to my mom and I went to this little shop that has it's not they're not crystals, although I think they probably had crystals there, but they're stone carved little figurines that are made by

Emily Gorrie (31:59)
Okay.

Okay.

Kendall (32:22)
like indigenous people nations and they sell them at this shop. And so I bought two. Well, I got one and then my mom bought me, it was very sweet. She like bought this again, like I took 25 minutes. Cause I just think if you're gonna spend the money on something, if you're gonna bring something that you don't need, you should really have a connection to it.

Emily Gorrie (32:49)
And an intention behind it. Yeah. Don't just like pick one up randomly. Yeah.

Kendall (32:50)
Yeah. Exactly.

so then the other, this is the more woo-woo thing that we did. There's a little town outside of Santa Fe that my parents went to decades ago that's called Chimayo. And it is supposed to be like an ancient Navajo sacred site.

Emily Gorrie (33:10)
Okay.

⁓ okay.

Kendall (33:19)
And it's supposed to have this magic dirt.

But so this red clay dirt, there's a church, like a I'm assuming Christian of some denomination, maybe Catholic church on this property now. There's this little shack on the property

Emily Gorrie (33:24)
Okay.

Kendall (33:40)
And all of the walls are covered in pictures and crutches because people make like pilgrimages to this place. And inside the shack is it's just the red dirt and people scoop it up. So they have like little shovels and little like pouches and people scoop up the dirt. And it's, you know, there are people who yes, there are people who like claim that it's, you know.

Emily Gorrie (34:04)
Is it healing? ⁓

Kendall (34:09)
incredibly healing and life changing. And that's why they're like crutches on the wall.

Emily Gorrie (34:15)
So did you 'cause

I didn't need them anymore?

Kendall (34:19)
Yeah. It's like a whole, it's a whole thing, Emily. So I took some dirt. Of course I did. Of course I did. They also sell ⁓ Chamayo chili powder, which is great. ⁓ but it's not in the dirt. grown in the Chamayo dirt, which is why it's special, right?

Emily Gorrie (34:24)
Did you bring dirt home? Okay. Duh, right? Okay.

Cool.

Okay. Yeah. It was made in the dirt. Grown in the dirt.

Yeah, mm-hmm.

Kendall (34:48)
⁓ so yeah, I took the ch I took the well it did take the chili powder home too, but I brought the dirt home and I ⁓ I don't know why I feel like anxious telling the story. I made mud out of it and put it over my like uterus area o on my body and like laid down in the moonlight and

Emily Gorrie (35:13)
Yeah, yeah.

Kendall (35:19)
That is the probably the most woo woo thing I've ever done in my life.

Emily Gorrie (35:24)
I just wanna first of all honor you.

Kendall (35:25)
I did get pregnant naturally

a month later. I Yeah. I actually think there's a different reason why I got pregnant, but like a more scientific reason, but

Emily Gorrie (35:30)
Shut up. It was that timeline? Okay. First of all.

Kendall (35:43)
Who am I to say? Who am I to say? I don't know.

Emily Gorrie (35:43)
I'm a believer. Uh-uh. I'm a believer.

You didn't do a study, you know, correlated study, but I think we can buy in. I buy in. ⁓ first of all, I just want to like, I was gonna say share the significance of you sharing that story with me because I learned it for the first time right now, just like everybody else. I love that. I would have done I would have done the same thing. I would have brought home the clay. I

Kendall (35:52)
Ha ha ha

I don't think I've ever told you that story.

Yeah. Yeah.

Emily Gorrie (36:13)
I love that so much. Why not?

Kendall (36:15)
I don't know, I might still

have some of that clay somewhere. I don't know. I got no Nope, I'm good.

Emily Gorrie (36:19)
Try it. You got an ailment? You need healing?

I think about like the meditation that I do these days. Like there was just a study that was done earlier this year that basically proves that ⁓ meditation changes your brain waves and the impact of it happens earlier than a lot of people thought. So like you don't really have to do like 20 minutes of meditation, it's like seven minutes.

Kendall (36:41)
Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Emily Gorrie (36:49)
And you you basically peek at the benefits of what meditation provides you in terms of like settling your brain waves and calming anxiety and you know things like that. Which is like really neat to see because I think more and more of those ⁓ tools will be used in medical fields.

Kendall (37:12)
I hope so. I mean I think like to me, here's where I net out. I think the

I believe less in the magic of the woo-woo and more of the intentionality space that the belief creates. Like, I think if you meditate

Emily Gorrie (37:24)
Hm.

Yeah, totally.

Kendall (37:40)
Daily, like it's not necessarily the meditation that you do that's gonna like change your life, but it's the taking a moment to meditate, right? Like it's the exactly like that's at least that's like that's kind of where I net out is like I believe in

Emily Gorrie (37:52)
The slow down. Yeah.

Kendall (38:04)
I believe in both but I believe in the

provenness of like the science elements with the intentionality of the woo-woo elements.

I think my where I get skeptical of the woo-woo is when people like and you're obviously not doing this in any way, shape, or form, but like when people over subscribe or overassign impact from the inexplicable elements of it. Do you know what I mean?

Like everything you said is accurate and also a function of like being purposefully getting more oxygen into your body. But like people there are people who will like reject

Emily Gorrie (38:56)
Right, right.

⁓

Kendall (39:04)
Western whatever because my breath work coach is my doctor. Do you know what I mean?

Like that's what I mean.

Emily Gorrie (39:12)
sure. Yeah. Yeah.

I gotcha. Well, I think it's like a very fine line with like many things that are coming out, like new trends these days. You know, I mean we're seeing I feel like

Kendall (39:24)
I mean everything

sucks. Like

Like literally ever

Emily Gorrie (39:31)
And if you keep that mental state,

that's gonna expand. Gotta get in that more calm alpha gamma, okay?

Kendall (39:37)
No, but here's the thing. Literally

everything that you think is good, there is this is like this is the

I guess side effect of a fully global world, right? Like everything that you think is good, you're gonna find some noise out there that refutes it. So that's when I say like everything sucks, is like you're gonna find someone somewhere that's done some level of quote unquote research that says that what you are interested in or care about or think is working for you is bad for your health. Like

Emily Gorrie (39:58)
⁓ totally. Totally.

Yeah.

Kendall (40:19)
Everything is, repeated.

Emily Gorrie (40:20)
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Well, and I feel like we hear a lot of that in motherhood. We do.

Kendall (40:24)
So anyways, we need a little levity.

Emily Gorrie (40:27)
Should we get to our listener submission? Get some laughs going? All right, let's do it.

Kendall (40:29)
I think we need it. Yes.

Yeah, this wasn't terribly funny, but

Emily Gorrie (40:39)
Let's try it.

Kendall (40:48)
Mm.

Mm.

Emily Gorrie (41:08)
Yeah.

Kendall (41:15)
And

Emily Gorrie (41:18)
love

to know if other people heard that, like outside the drop toilet.

Kendall (41:23)
I'm sure. That see, that was the laugh that I needed. That was amazing.

Emily Gorrie (41:35)
Kids are so weird.

Kendall (41:37)
But like I get it. I mean we've just recently not for the first time, but I think as kids a like age, you're able to have more of

the like realistic conversations with them, right? So like we've been having conversations with my oldest about

Emily Gorrie (41:54)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kendall (42:01)
Of vagina versus a penis, and like that Charlie and I have something different from him and his dad. And like, you know what? My girlfriend actually ⁓ we'll link it, we'll link it in the notes below. My girlfriend has with her oldest son and her daughter has highly recommended the All About Penises book. It it's

Emily Gorrie (42:04)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

⁓ I've never heard of it.

Kendall (42:30)
A book all about penises. Cause sh her h her son was like really interested in his penis. And so they bought a book and it's like designed for children all about penises. And there's one that's all about vaginas, and they have both. And honestly, I think it's great because I think their kids are so well educated about their body parts, which

Emily Gorrie (42:43)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Kendall (43:01)
I don't wanna end on a downer, but I think has really good benefits is they navigate life.

Emily Gorrie (43:07)
Totally.

Totally. And now that we've ⁓ talked about penises and vaginas more than once on this call today, we we may want to wrap it up here. I'm not sure where else we can go.

Kendall (43:15)
More than once on this episode, yep.

You know, ⁓ it's all down south from here, no pun intended.

Emily Gorrie (43:28)
And with that, if you have

your own listener submission, does not have to be ⁓ down south related, we'd love to hear them. And until next week, we will be back.