Eartha Kitt

We’re the presence of greatness this week as we look at the life and works of camp icon Eartha Kitt! From her distinctive voice to playing Catwoman, Broadway opulence to 80s music videos, Eartha’s done it all!

Please be aware that this episodes bio section contains discussion of some darker topics - we thought it was important to give an accurate depiction of the sometimes difficult lives of camp icons!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello! Just before we dive into this week's episode of Camp Icons, I wanted to let you know that we touch on some darker themes and topics during the discussion of this week's camp icon, Earther Kit. We thought it was really important to give an accurate portrayal of her life, which unfortunately was not always a happy one. If you would rather skip this week's bio portion, we completely understand you can skip ahead to the camp nonsense of the clips ahead. Hello and welcome to Camp Icons. How are you this week, Liz?

SPEAKER_01 0:39

I'm very well, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Good. Have you had a camp week?

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Not particularly. No. No, that's why I need this. I need you to bring the camp now.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

I uh went to see something on Sunday and encountered some unintentional camp. Oh, good. I wasn't expecting. Um I I won't go into names because I don't want to um put anybody down. But there was a lady singing in this particular thing that I watched who was wearing a cape and had clearly never rehearsed with that cape and just kept standing on the cape.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

And you we know the dangers of a cape.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

You have to be very careful with the application of a cape.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Yes. Absolutely. Um are you excited about this week's uh subject?

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Genuinely very excited because I think this is an exceptionally cool person that we're doing this week.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Brilliant. Well, without further ado, let's dive straight on in to this week's episode on Earth a Kit how much do you think you're gonna be doing that this week? I mean, I've done it already quite a lot this week without being in front of a microphone.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

I mean, can you stop is the real question.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Should I stop is the real question.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

We'll see, we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Uh yeah, so tell me what you know about Urtha Kit.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Okay, I think she seems like a very cool person because I have seen clips of her talking and she, you know, is quite an inspiring sort of individual. And I think I associate her see, I she's not from like my era necessarily, so I associate her with two things that are quite different, which are I know she was Catwoman in the original Batman TV series the 1960s one, yeah. And I know that she was the voice of Isma in the Emperor's New Groove.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

She was.

SPEAKER_01 2:58

I assume she did quite a lot of things in between. She yes, she did. But I'm less familiar with those, although I am excited to hear about them.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

So one of the reasons that I picked her is because I knew nothing about her.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Right.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

I knew literally the two things that you've just said.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

And the impressions of her on Snatch Game, my drag race. Of course.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

Yeah. Um, and I thought, okay, I'm gonna pick someone that I do not know a thing about. And she is fascinating. She's lived quite a life.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

I read her memoir, it's called I'm Still Here. Uh, she released that in 1989.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Right.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

Um, but by that point she was sort of into her 60s, so um it covered a lot of a lot of ground. The sleeve, when you open the book, the first thing it says is, I have no idea how old I am. Believe it or not, I have no paper that says I was ever born. Maybe that's why they call me a legend, because I don't really exist.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

Fabulous.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

It's just very, very cool, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 4:16

Oh, yeah, and to be able to she she just has this way with words. It's another one that I read and I was like, this definitely wasn't a ghostwriter. This it's got such a distinctive voice to it. Yes. That you can tell that it's come from her.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

She I mean, not so great for I mean what we consider to be a comedy podcast. Um she was raised in poverty. She was left by her mother to be cared for by a foster family. Um, and they were not very pleasant to her.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

It's it's awful, it's quite a sad start in life, isn't it? Yeah. And I think I had heard this that she's come from a really very impoverished background.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Um which is why I think it's cool that she's kind of uh reframed that narrative to be like, you know, I I don't know where I came from because I'm a legend. She sort of turns it on its head.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

She says in the book that, you know, there were often times with this foster family where they would go huge stretches without food and they would have to go foraging in the forest. Yeah. Like it it was I cannot overstate how poor her upbringing was, really.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

When when was she born? She's this this is what sort of Well, we don't know, she's a legend. No, fair enough.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Um let's just have a look. Around 1927.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

So we're sort of in the 30s, we're talking Great Depression.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Well, this is what I was thinking is it's a time that's very difficult for like in the US where she is, like, it's difficult for everyone, but especially being black Americans, yes, that it's such a hard, hard life.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

And she was also, she says in the book that because she uh had paler skin, yeah, um she was not fully accepted by the black community either.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Um the reason that her mum gave her up is because her mum fell in love with a man who wouldn't have her in the house. Yeah. Her mum lived nearby uh and she still saw her mum very sporadically, and then when her mum died, she was taken to New York to live with an aunt. She later said that she believed that aunt was her biological mother, but she was sent to live with this aunt, and this aunt wasn't very nice to her either.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

Gosh, it's just so hard, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Yes. So she auditioned for the Catherine Dunham Dance Company, and it was basically to escape her aunt.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

Yeah, just do anything to get out.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

She got in and started dancing all over the world with them. She started off just as a dancer.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Miss Dunham said to her one day, you'll never become anything, kit, you have too much excess baggage.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

Oh my goodness. The odds are stacked against this lady, like you would not believe.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

Yeah. Eartha said in her book in response to this, meaning I was fully developed and had long hair, of which she had neither. So sh I mean I think she thinks there was a certain degree of jealousy there.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

Yeah, and I think it sort of shows a tenacity of spirit that she's not gonna take that to heart, she's gonna turn it on its head.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

Yeah, absolutely. She She toured with the Dunham Company for several years, and then when they were in Paris, she was offered a a singing gig. Which she took.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

And then Dunham immediately fired her.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Oh, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

Yeah. So she kind of got thrown into this career as a singer, like a club singer. Uh she was based in Paris for quite some time. She was signed to RCA Records by a man called Dave Capp, who was immediately fired by RCA Records for signing an actress dancer into a five-year contract.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

Okay. Gosh, it's I don't know, it's like really seems like there's an effort to keep her out of everything. Do you know what I mean? Like a real kind of hostility towards her.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Absolutely. And after they fired him, the record company released a song called Ushkadara, which she sings in Turkish. She had learnt it while she was in Turkey. And they released it because they were certain that it wouldn't sell and that they could break their contract with her.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

It went straight to the top of the charts.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

And she became the only female artist in the pop music department to make money in 27 years.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

How crazy.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

So they basically set her up to fail. And her stardom is is so like bursting at the seams that she couldn't fail.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

Like it just Yeah, 100%. Oh, I see very much. She's a kind she's I thought you were gonna sing then. No.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

Because I should have said I do know her as a singer because uh we she she sings uh Santa Baby the Santa Baby, which is the comes up every Christmas in this way that we like the same songs for every Christmas. That of course I I and I knew she was a singer.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

So And she has I I think now probably is the time to bring up the very distinctive singing voice.

SPEAKER_01 10:09

She does have a very distinctive voice.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

It's very unusual.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Yeah. Not unpleasant.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

No.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

We were quite harsh on Scylla's uh very distinctive voice.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

Yes, this is true. I've been back and I've listened to some of her stuff and I'm a fan.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Like her early her early work, I've said this before about Scylla. I went back and listened to her early work. But she is a fantastic jazz singer. The quality of her voice and kind of the emotion that goes through it, I think, is um very unique.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

That's very cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Which feeds into this idea of campness, we've said before. She's she's kind of got this distinctive, unique thing.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

She's an individual, yeah. Yeah. And not like anything else that's around.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

So her career went from strength to strength after she started releasing music. Um she was cast by Orson Wells.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

In a play, and he said, I chose you to play the part because you are the most exciting woman in the world.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Gosh, alright.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

You represent all women of all ages, you have no place or time.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

Ooh, that that's wonderful. Imagine someone saying that about you.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

I don't think anyone's gonna say that about me. No, me, me. You represent all men. I think the world would be a better place if I did, but can I say that?

SPEAKER_01 11:47

Yeah, yeah, go on, own it. Yeah, say it, yeah. No, I I do think that's an incredible thing to for someone to say about you, especially as Orson Wells is, you know, uh incredibly well-respected director of the time. And yeah, I I don't know because when you're saying, you know, she goes here and there and her career's going from strength to strength, she's navigating all of that as a young black woman in a system that is set up to keep her out. You know, she obviously hasn't got any support system um that we know about yet, because uh her whole family seems like a nightmare and has uh been really cruel to her, and she's yeah, she's just the whole world is kind of like her oyster, but that's quite a lot to manage if you're not a really strong type of character.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Yeah, a hundred percent. And the thing you say about the support system, she I would say she never really found certainly what she wanted from a support system. She has a daughter.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

And her daughter kind she describes her daughter as the love of her life. I think once she had the daughter, everything kind of poured into her.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

But it's not necessarily her having a support system. I think it's a different kind of um kind of relationship.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Which I think is one of the things that I've noticed when I've seen her quoted, is that she's often talking about things where men have screwed her over in her life and she's not yeah, she comes out on the worse end of any attempt to find love or find a relationship, which is quite cruel in terms of her personal life, but the she shouldn't have to be this strong, but the strength that she shows is incredible and is quite inspiring.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

So, as I said before, her career went from strength to strength. She was singing, she was acting, and she famously, as we've discussed, became Catwoman in the final season of the 1960s Batman TV show. I didn't realise that, I thought she was Catwoman in the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

No, I know Lee Merriweather does it at some point and somebody else.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Julie Newmar?

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Julie Newmar, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Who this is is interesting, you know, in terms of like identities. Julie Newmar is blonde and very much the epitome of what you would think of as a sexy sort of sixties lady. Um and Eartha Kit is incredibly sexy, but maybe you wouldn't imagine that they would recast that part as you know, going from Julie Newmar to Earth'Kit um because they're so different, and because, you know, there is that uh like we th we think of that time in the 60s when they're you know fighting for civil rights as so hostile towards black people, but she's there as a major character. Catelyn's always been one of the major villains, and yeah, a sex symbol and so associated with that part that yeah, you kind of think of her before you think of Julie Newmar. It's really interesting. She she just defines that role for herself.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

Definitely. She during this period was very keen on learning more about the world and its injustices. She travelled to Africa, right? She travelled to India, where she had an audience with the I'm gonna say Prime Minister, I don't know whoever was kind running the country, basically. Um she apparently just phoned up and said, Oh, I'd like to see him. Did she? And he agreed. Like it was it was mad.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Yeah. I love that. I'll just I'll just phone up and he'll say yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

She set up a not-for-profit company in LA that was designed to keep young people off the streets and get them into work and housing and things like that. She was a spokesperson for a group called Rebels with a Cause. Nice. Um, that was all about kind of protecting green spaces and things like that, and she would speak in court on behalf of them. She was very interested in social justice.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

To the point that it did impact her career.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Right, okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

So she experienced what is often referred to as the White House incident. In 1968, she was invited with a group of 50 other women to the White House by Lady Bird Johnson, who was the first lady. And during the course of this dinner and meeting, she spoke out against the Vietnam War.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

Oh. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Allegedly making the First Lady cry. And overnight, all of her contracts with the States disappeared.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

She suddenly could no longer work in the States. Nobody was giving her anything. She retreated to Europe, she retreated to the UK and to Paris and continued singing and continued having a career. But it wasn't until ten years later that she returned to Broadway.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

It's a terrible time actually for you know it was the Vietnam War, people so many people protested and people spoke out and were right. Like that they were so right. And it's obvious when you look back at history that that was a terrible, ridiculous war that didn't need to go along on at all, but definitely not as long as it did. And yeah, it's all the kind of people who are brave enough to speak up that have these ramifications. And no, I don't care that she made the first lady cry. All the people who were losing their sons over there, they were the ones that had a r you know reason to cry. Do you you go earth kit? Make make her cry, silly woman.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

The story took another turn. Okay, am I gonna change my change my No, no, you're absolutely not. One day she picked up the phone and heard, this is Seymour Hirsch from the New York Times. We need permission to print what we found in your CIA file.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Oh, yeah, this is another thing that happened is the CIA looking at like famous people, actors and singers and whatever. Like they haven't got any real work to do.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

So according to the file, I'm quoting from her book now directly. President Johnson had put me out of work in America in two hours. The FBI had been called first, apparently, to find something on me. Anything to keep my face out of favour with the American public. According to the files, he called on the media to erase me. The FBI could not find anything subversive. Their file said she is a good person, she's never been arrested for anything, her only problem is she loves her country.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Considering what a hard life she had, it's amazing they didn't dig up on any dirt because when you're that poor, if she had had like a conviction for theft at some point, or was you know, whatever, you can understand it. You can understand with what a hard life she'd had that they could have found something, but they were so disgusting that they were like, you know, find anything about her, and they still couldn't. Absolutely, it's so gross.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

She was described in the CIA file as a sadistic nymphomaniac.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Rude, crude, shrewd, difficult, ran away at h from home at the age of 16 and would do anything to get attention.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Yeah. Good for her.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

She said in response to this, specifically being a s sadistic sex nymphomaniac, she said, and even if I am, what business is it of yours?

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

Which I just I think is brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Yeah. I'm a nymphomaniac. Well, so what?

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Yeah. Basically. One of her agents said to her, Don't think, Urtha. Just sit on your chaise long and sing Santa Baby. Please don't think. You're rocking the boat.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Ooh. That gets my hackles up. I thought it might. How dare you? Yeah, because it's just, it's so it's so patronising, and the idea that people want you for the bits they find fun and enjoyable, you know, just do the singing bit, we like that bit, but you're not allowed to have opinions. And a lot of black Americans were very against Vietnam because they saw they were being employed in this war that they really didn't see as anything to do with them, and they were going over there and fighting alongside white people, but then being treated as second-class citizens when they came home, and they were killing, you know, people of another race, and uh uh not treated as equal to the white people in their own country. So I can see why, especially as a woman of colour, she would be wanting to speak out against stuff like that, and you know, very interested in social justice and wanting to speak about causes. The idea that you get to enjoy what I do and not have to bother with that bit of me, it's like, yeah, screw you. How dare you? God dear. Don't get me going.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

She did return to Broadway in 1978, and then in the 80s, she made a return to the charts with a new album and was embraced by a new generation of fans. This kind of coincided with her being welcomed by the LGBT plus community. She performed Benefits for the AIDS crisis and she became a supporter of gay marriage. And she was very vocal about helping the LGBT plus community.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Good for her.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

In her later years, she voiced Isma in Disney's The Empress New Groove and continued singing until weeks before her death.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Oh really?

SPEAKER_00 22:22

Yeah, she performed at the Cheltenham Jazz Festival a few weeks before she passed away.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Yeah. She kind of had this persona of opulence.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

And I think it was it was certainly something that she did indulge in. She said, My Hollywood style bath and dressing room contained a small refrigerator in which I always kept Dom Perignon. I could reach the fridge door from my bathtub. I also kept a silver goblet there. Another quote I had once been asked by a disc jockey in Philadelphia, is it true that when you wake up in the morning you put your feet into mink line slippers, step over seven men and brush your teeth with Don Perignon? Yes, doesn't everyone had been my answer. The audience may laugh, but your stage personality is taken by some to be your real personality. There was this I think there was this struggle in her sometimes to reconcile Eartha Kit, the stage performer. Yeah. And well she she references it in the book, Eartha May, the person. Her name was Eartha May Kit. That's her.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Interesting, because I think we've come across the idea of your uh your persona, your public persona living that as a sort of performance, being part of these camp icons quite often where you you live the fantasy out there in the real world, but of course there is a real person there. Some things don't fit with that fantasy. And if you're doing that performance everywhere, there is a difficulty in where the that real person, where the parts that don't fit end up. I haven't got anything I haven't got anything insightful to say about that. I just think it's interesting that we're talk we're talking about Camp as a kind of um excess, and it is what she's describing there is excessive, you know, stepping over seven men. I mean well I'm I think that's excessive. Like the idea You mean you've never tried it. Well, I haven't had the chance. Um But it's it that yeah, living that excess and that sort of stuff, performing it as as your real life and being extra all the time, yeah it is really it's a fascinating like part of camp that I because I think the the person I think of a lot um is Dolly Parton who does this, who hopefully we'll get to, you know, at some point. I'm sure we have sure But you know, she doesn't you don't see her dressed down.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

No, never.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Never. And if you did, it's sort of like the fantasy is broken, you're like, who's that? So but you but you're seeing them, you know, in a way that like if they were any other actor, you'd see them out of character, behind stage, whatever. They're still doing it and they're still performing because they're giving you so much excess of persona.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Yeah, and I think sometimes as well there can be that element of bringing that persona into your own life to kind of almost compensate for the bits that you're not necessarily so confident with.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

Yes. That's I mean, that's a really interesting thing that maybe we haven't talked about in terms of camp yet is camp as a kind of resistance. You know, when your life is not the fantasy, using it as a kind of, you know, uh a barrier between you and the bits of real life that are not fun and not nice to think about.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

Yeah, so I think this is characterised by something else she said in her book about her ex-husband on the day of her daughter's wedding. Kit's father was there and her stepbrother Chad, Bill came quietly up behind me and said, You did a good job, in a whisper. Only the spirits must have held me back from putting my heel in his you know what, as I hurriedly took myself away from his bad spirit saying, No thanks to you, you bastard. But I feel like it's that's not how everyone would respond to that.

SPEAKER_02 26:42

No.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

But I feel like actually it's taking quite um quite a barbed remark and using that as a defence against actually talking about the heartache and the difficulty of a marriage breaking down, for example.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Yes. Yeah, it's quite a painful emotion, but she just, you know, sets it on fire.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Yeah, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

Yeah. Right. I think it's time to watch some Earth a kits.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

I'm dying for clips.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

It's an interesting one this week because I think speaking about her life, it it's because there have been such awful parts about it, yeah. We haven't necessarily touched on who she is as a performer.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

I really can't guess what these are gonna be. That's uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

No. I watch Eartha Kit and I think she performs with every cell in her body.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

Wow, okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

There is nothing that is off. And this is certainly evidence in the first clip we're going to watch, which is Eartha Kit's interpretation of the Gloria Gaynor song I Will Survive.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

Oh, it's a classic.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

It is a classic. This is the point, listeners, where you can watch along with us. The links to all the videos we're going to be watching are in our episode description. You can go away and watch them as we watch them. There'll be little gaps for that. You can go away now and watch all of them, tops tail, and come back to listen to uh what we have to say. And I imagine there's going to be quite a lot that we have to say about some of these. Um or don't watch them. That's also an option. Um, but we don't mind. You you do you. Um but as I say, here we are. Earth a kit, I will survive.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

She's giving you everything, isn't she?

SPEAKER_00 28:43

She's certainly giving everything. There's there's not no There's nothing left to give. There's no, there's nothing left to give. She um This is what I mean when I say I think she performs with every cell.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Absolutely, yeah. So this uh but before we get into her, just got to mention it starts uh on a chaise long. Yes. And I think last week we discussed a sea lion being the campist animal.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:13

I think that the chaise long is the campest piece of furniture.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Undoubtedly. We've encountered a chaise long before, haven't we?

SPEAKER_01 29:20

We've had a chaise, and now I think about it, it just does say camp.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

It just does.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

And I think it's something in the opulence of a chaise long.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

I think it's because it's like a fruity little sofa.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

Well, yeah, but you can lay on.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

You can lay on it.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

You haven't got a you haven't got a sit, so you don't. Which is decadent, isn't it? Yes. You haven't got to play by the rules on a chaise long.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

There's something about a chaise that says that a men a men.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

Amen.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

A man or men might feed you some grapes.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:56

Which is camp.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

Yes, there's no doubt about that.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

One of the campest things that can happen for you.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Being fed grapes by a man. Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Hopefully oiled. Oh, okay. Well the man, not the grapes. You looked confused.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

Get yourself a panic, I'll do it next week. We record this sat opposite each other on opposite sides of a table. I think I might just try and throw them in your mouth.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

I'll catch them like a sea lion.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

What do you think would happen if we put a sea lion on a chaise long?

SPEAKER_01 30:37

I don't know, but it would be camp.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

I would think it would invoke some spirits.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

Yes. That would come back to us. What is that sea lion doing in my place?

SPEAKER_02 30:48

Ow.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

So anyway, she's on a chaise long. And um she's dressed in the uh uh, you know, red dress, and she's got the headband on. She's got the thing round her head, which I always associate with her. The the audience, the the listener can't see us. But I have my headscarf on.

SPEAKER_00 31:12

You've got your headband on, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

You've gone full turban.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

I've gone full turban, yeah. A nice little blue sparkly number over here.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Yeah. Um and yes, she starts in such a kind of controlled way.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Yes. She looks stunning.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

She looks great. She owns the chais long.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 31:33

But she's it she's she's so small in the way she starts singing, like her mouth is hardly moving and it's quiet. It draws you in so much.

SPEAKER_00 31:43

Yes. It almost begins like a like a dramatic reading.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

At first I was afraid.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

And you're like, tell me more, I tell me. Yeah. She's wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 31:57

She sort of she's doing a lot of eye work as well.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

The eyes really draw you in. They go big.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

She can flash big eyes at you. Yeah. And I don't know why that made me laugh. She and it's powerful. She's got a powerful gaze. She's a little bit scary, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

Yes, I think she is in this. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

Um, but she yeah, the the singing you're right, it does sound like a a reading at first because she's so dramatic and she's really acting it and living it. And it's uh it's a very sort of powerful kind of reinterpretation, I guess, of it.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

Y Yes, because as she sings, I feel like the music is incidental.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

She doesn't really care what that music is doing. There's she's phrasing all over the place. She's like, Absolutely. There's bits where I feel like she's skipped bars of music.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

And it's I feel the same. Yeah. I don't know much about music, but it's like it might as well not be there.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

The the the backing track is because this is a disco classic. Yes. That's it's somehow even more disco by being a kind of reinterpreted backing track that's you know quite probably quite cheaply made. Um but she she's just she's doing her own thing. You know, the kind of like what do you call it, the phrasing you call it, or I don't know, the scanson, do they call it, of like how you Oh, I don't know that word. I I it might be the wrong one, but like the way she is pronouncing and like stressing the letters and everything, it's entirely hers. No one else could do it in that way. And yeah, there's no there's no chance for the music to sort of like um be there with her because she's just she owns it.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Yeah, the music can carry on playing, yeah. But I'm singing at my own pace, in my own space, yeah. On Machise Long.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

She owns the timing, she owns the phrasing, she owns all of that.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

She owns everything.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Yes, it's wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

And she moves in a very um commanding way as well. I think when I think of when I think of parodies of Earth Akit, there's always a lot of kind of flinging of the leg and um sort of sudden sharp movements, but you kind of see from this where that comes from.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

She's she's not doing it in a to the extreme that somebody would in a parody, but that she's very angular and sharp and yet also graceful with it. It never feels awkward.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

Well, you can see why they would cast her as a cat. Yes. Because she definitely, you know, obviously she's been a dancer, but she's definitely got interesting movements and a way of yeah, commanding the space. And she at the end she's on the chaise again. She's doing more from that shade than I can do standing up.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

I mean, yeah, fair.

SPEAKER_01 35:16

And it ends with such a kind of like almost vicious look at us. Like the song is about survival and it it totally fits with her, and at the end you feel like she's really felt something.

SPEAKER_00 35:32

Yeah, and she's kind of saying, try me.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

Yeah. Yeah, bring it on then.

SPEAKER_00 35:38

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

It's very cool.

SPEAKER_00 35:40

In terms of it being camp, I certainly think this one is where there is I think you've described it before as excess of intention.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

But it all comes from her.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Because it's a really it's a very plain room.

unknown 35:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

With quite a plain chaise long.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Mmm.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

This pop of red.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

Yes, she's the that never sits still. She's the only bold thing on the stage.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

And she never stops moving. She's pulling you in so dramatically at the start, and then singing this song and exploding into it, and she Yeah, is giving you like a dramatic reinterpretation. So it is, it's that kind of somebody else could just sing a song, but she's giving you a full-on one-woman show within the realms of a this disco track, which albeit a classic, I do think that's quite a cheap backing track they've given her. It could have been really quite boring if it was anyone else, you know. Fair.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

We're gonna move to her 1978 return to Broadway now.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

She returned to Broadway in a show called Timbuktu.

SPEAKER_01 36:56

Never heard of him.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

It was a reimagining of the musical Kismet with some added songs. Okay. And this is a performance taken from a telethon where they performed Earth's Big Number. Wow. I mean, you want to talk about excess?

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Oh yes. Now we've got it. Yes. We've got some excess. Good lord. Okay. Well, I I knew oiled men would be relevant this week. And there we've just had some.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Yes, one in particular.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

A former Mystery Universe.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

Alright, and that doesn't surprise me.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

No, and I've got that. I would just like to let our listeners know that as soon as we got a close-up on him, Liz said, Where is my glasses?

SPEAKER_01 37:47

I'm not even joking, I was really annoyed I couldn't find them.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

Yeah. Yeah. So there's this sort of extended dance sequence at the beginning that is all colours.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

Yes. So this is before Eartha makes her appearance.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

Even appears. There's a lot of hips, there's a lot of well, there's a lot of everything, let's be honest.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

Yes, and I I don't know I like which country they're supposed to be in, T Timbuktu's in North Africa, is it? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

I'm not sure actually. I'm not said that.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

The thing is, this is I I would say made by predominantly white people, although the cast is not white.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

So it's their interpretation of a kind of you know, a cultural, ethnic uh stereotype that didn't exactly exist.

SPEAKER_00 38:41

Yes, I don't it's certainly not a performance I think we'd see today.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

No, no. It's it's sort of um there's something vaguely Arabic about some of the music and some of the dance, but then it's then then they're talking about Africa.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

So the ladies have got all these beautiful kind of colours that they're swooshing about. They're swooshing, I would say.

SPEAKER_00 39:03

There's a lot of swooshing. There's a lot of excess fabric.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

And then there is the gentleman come out wearing the sort of leopard skin loincloths. Except they're not loincloths, they're just little pants.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 39:18

There's Again, we wouldn't see it now.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

No, there's not a lot of clothing on those men.

SPEAKER_01 39:24

No, there is oil though.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

There's a lot of oil.

SPEAKER_01 39:28

What always what always makes me laugh, because well sometimes when you go back and watch uh films from 50s, 60s, 70s where they have something set in Africa or something like this, they will have all these guys dressed up in very stereotypical stuff, so like you know, the loincloths or they'll have them with you know jewellery made out of bones, and it's it's sort of like it's uh offensive to us now, but you know, at the time they're trying to evoke something, but they don't have any actual research, so it's you know it's a white person's made it up. And the thing that always makes me laugh is thinking about those guys because in the minds of the audience, I think that associates those people who are black with that, and the idea of them all putting on the same t-shirts and jeans that the white actors would wear to go home on the train, you know, to Brooklyn going, Oh, you know, Terry, do you see what they made me do today dancing about in the leopard print loincloth? Because they're they are just they are just people living in that time, but because of the like choices that are made, it it kind of associates in your mind with them being very different, and they're not, they're just they're just dancers. Yeah. They're just ordinary lads who've been asked to do that, yeah. Get the oil on and and swoosh about, and uh y you're gonna dangle Eartha and Well, let's come to Eartha's entrance.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

Let's she is brought on being carried by former Mr. Universe.

SPEAKER_01 41:05

Has he got a name?

SPEAKER_00 41:07

I can't remember it.

SPEAKER_01 41:08

I want his name to be Terry. I do think that Eartha Kit should be the patron saint of resting bitch face. Because when she comes out, she is so serious. You would not mess with that lady. No, the look in her eye, do not piss off Miss Kit.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

You know, she's she's oh she's I mean, she's essentially also being held aloft by one leg.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

Dancing with the other one.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Mmm. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

He puts her down and she simply announces I'm here.

SPEAKER_01 41:48

Yeah, and it gets a huge reaction.

SPEAKER_00 41:51

Yeah. I imagine within the context of the theatre, that would be a wild reaction.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 41:58

I think because this is a TV telethon, we we get the best reaction we can, but I imagine that this is in the theatre a huge moment of arrival. I imagine it's her first entrance.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

Absolutely, I'm sure you're right. It has that feeling, and even though I'm watching a telethon recorded version, I still felt like that was a moment. A moment has happened.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

Yes, absolutely. Again, she looks stunning.

SPEAKER_01 42:24

She does. She's got see, she's got much more of a showgirl kind of vibe.

SPEAKER_00 42:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

Although she's somewhat in keeping with the the kind of ethnic uh soup of the other costumes.

unknown 42:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

She is she is she's got yeah, much more of a she's got sort of like go days and um I don't know. What's a go day? Uh in the skirt where they insert a panel to make it more floofy. Oh, okay. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 42:50

Oh every day's a school day. Um Yeah, she's she starts singing this song, which is basically saying that women came first before men. She sort of turns the Bible story on its head.

SPEAKER_01 43:07

There is a line in this, which I will be quoting now, which says, Men have been menaces ever since Genesis, which I think is so good. I can't believe it hasn't caught on.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

It is actually correct.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

Fantastic line, love it. And yeah, she really again gives it some with the song.

SPEAKER_00 43:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

Because I it it's it's quite hard. I don't know, it's not it's not the catchiest song in the world.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

No.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

It's powerful.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

Yes, uh but again it I think it's her that brings that power to it. She I feel like she's enjoying Mr. Universe a lot.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

Do you think so?

SPEAKER_00 43:50

I think she is, yes.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

I think I'd enjoy the the ease with which he lifted her into the air, like she was nothing. Which I probably Probably she doesn't weigh anything, but it was just the way I would lift up a pen. It was like incredible.

SPEAKER_00 44:09

Yeah, I mean it's definitely got some strength behind him.

SPEAKER_01 44:11

But like you said, she d she is being h held by one leg.

SPEAKER_00 44:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

And she dances, and at one point she lays her self back.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

So I I wanted to come to this because she is singing in full voice.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:25

Doing a full backbend over this man's shoulder.

SPEAKER_01 44:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:29

None of those things on their own are easy.

SPEAKER_01 44:32

No, it shouldn't be possible.

SPEAKER_00 44:34

No.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

Everything is possible if Eartha wants it.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Well, yes.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

That's camp.

SPEAKER_00 44:40

That is camp.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

What's so camp about this? Because it is really camp.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

It is, I think. It goes back to our conversation about colour.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:48

There's an explosion of colour. But when she arrives, all the colour kind of goes. She's wearing white.

SPEAKER_01 44:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

But it's still camp.

SPEAKER_01 44:58

She's very powerful as a woman over the male dancers. And there's something camp about subverting kind of gender stereotypes. Yes, absolutely. So where the woman is in charge becomes camp.

SPEAKER_00 45:11

Yes. Oh, and I think we should mention at this point when she is initially put down, a man gets into press-up position so she can stand on his back.

SPEAKER_01 45:22

Oh, yes. See, there you go. That's camp. Because that is like that is a subversion of our stereotypes. Yeah, the the man's body being used for a woman to, you know, be powerful. That's definitely that's in there.

SPEAKER_00 45:37

Yes. I think everything about this is camp.

SPEAKER_01 45:42

No, it is. It absolutely is.

SPEAKER_00 45:44

Because the outfit is excess, beaded, sequined, glittery. The performance, as I've said before, she performs with every fibre of her being. You've got oiled men. I mean, what's camper? Than draping yourself around an oiled man.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

All she needs is a chaise long. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

And a sea line.

SPEAKER_01 46:08

And a sea line. Do you know what would have made this?

SPEAKER_00 46:11

If you had Eartha in one hand, sea line in the other.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

That's it. That's what we need. That might have been too camping.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

To come round to being serious again.

SPEAKER_00 46:24

Like performance art.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

I was gonna say, yeah, it's accidentally performance art and then it's lost all camp duh. Someone's took it seriously.

SPEAKER_00 46:34

Well, speaking of camp, the next video I'm going to show you is one of her hit singles from the 1980s. The song is called I Don't Care. Good. And I'm gonna pre-warn you by saying whatever direction you think this is going in, at any given point, it's going to pivot. Okay.

unknown 47:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 47:01

So this is Earth AKit singing I Don't Care. Wow. I think this is in contention for one of the campus things we've watched so far.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

I was just about to say the same thing. I was gonna say, is this a campus thing we've encountered? Because it's it's hard to view that as anything other than camp. She's mastered it. She's one camp.

SPEAKER_00 47:29

She's one camp. Episode five. We've been camp.

SPEAKER_01 47:32

It's done. It's all done. Go home. Right. So wow, I I don't know where to start.

SPEAKER_00 47:42

Let's start at the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

So much has happened.

SPEAKER_00 47:45

So it begins with a scene.

SPEAKER_01 47:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

In which an alarm goes off. A man awakes.

SPEAKER_01 47:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

And says she's escaped.

SPEAKER_01 47:59

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 48:00

His wife says or girlfriend, you know, live your own life. Says, no, please don't go.

SPEAKER_01 48:10

And it's too dangerous, or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 48:13

Yeah, he decides he's going. And then says, She never could remember my name. Which I st I still don't understand that.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

Puzzling.

SPEAKER_00 48:22

I think the scene is dubbed.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

So it's a very interesting delivery. Yes. It feels to me like that dialogue was on the track. And so they couldn't have the actors deliver it or something. Because it's a totally unnatural. The actors that we're watching have nothing to do with how that that that voice was delivered. No, no.

unknown 48:47

No.

SPEAKER_01 48:48

It's it's peculiar. Straight away, we're in an odd, unnatural world because they're they're voicing something, but it's not, it's clearly not their delivery.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

And it all it gives it this heightened quality. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 49:03

I love it. It's I don't know, it's like John Waters or David Lynch or something. It's like these words don't seem to come from the right place in their souls.

SPEAKER_00 49:12

No, and I would venture they mean nothing.

SPEAKER_01 49:15

Yes. Really odd dialogue that doesn't, yeah. Not necessarily uh informing us. But it it there the whole so this is a music video, but there is definitely a story. We go on a journey.

SPEAKER_00 49:30

We go on a journey.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

I'm not the same person as before I watched that.

SPEAKER_00 49:36

So this man joins up with several other men. Yes. To try and find escaped convict, I guess, Earth a Kit.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Yeah, so they they look like a sad sort of like Ghostbusters uh kind of group of guys. And they're in a suspicious-looking warehouse or something, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

Yeah, it's uh it looks like a warehouse that then opens up into a vast pink space.

SPEAKER_01 50:06

Yes. Which is definitely camp.

unknown 50:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:11

Because everything so far has been sort of greys and blues and Yeah, I thought you were gonna say naturalistic. No.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

Which I No.

SPEAKER_01 50:18

Right from beat one, no. Everything has been greys and blues, and then the pink opens up and it is a huge pink room. Something about that is just camp.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

Yeah, with Urtha in the middle dressed head to toe in black.

SPEAKER_01 50:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 50:33

So we've sort of discussed this before: this kind of there's one colour palette, and then someone else is doing something strikingly different.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

Absolutely, yeah. And she's also she's covered at this moment with a mask, with a quite a large sort of mask. And she's sort of being Catwoman because she's got nails like Catwoman, and the mask is a bit Catwomany, but it's not exactly.

SPEAKER_00 50:55

No, they obviously couldn't get the rights.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

Couldn't get the rights, but she's and the other thing that I like about this is Eartha does reveal her face.

SPEAKER_00 51:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:04

And um, you know, just bear in mind we spoke about when she was born. Yeah, she's quite old.

SPEAKER_00 51:09

She's in her sixties doing this.

SPEAKER_01 51:12

Yeah. Which, because she's so athletic and everything, it's quite entertaining to me that she's that I aged sort of doing this.

SPEAKER_00 51:20

Yeah, I and I should point out at this point all the men are probably about 30 to 40 years younger than she is.

SPEAKER_01 51:25

Oh, at least. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:27

Yeah. So she starts singing. She's not even started singing by this point without all this. She's not said it worse. Um her singing draws in the men.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

Mmm, they can't resist.

SPEAKER_00 51:40

And then with her long nails, she starts scratching them and rupturing their clothing.

SPEAKER_01 51:48

Their clothes just can't contain it.

SPEAKER_00 51:51

Yes. There's a little geeky one at the back, a little geeky man. We know he's geeky because he's wearing glasses.

SPEAKER_01 51:56

Yes. Classic sign of the geek.

SPEAKER_00 52:01

Giving his best sort of shocked and appalled face. The sort of face one might see in a carry-on film.

SPEAKER_01 52:12

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 52:14

It's again, there's nothing subtle about the acting that he's doing.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

No. No. There's nothing subtle about any of this.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

No. Earther sees Geeky Man beckons him, does like a spell which causes him to remove his trousers and jacket, I guess. He's now in his vest and wife fronts. And so are all the other men.

SPEAKER_01 52:49

Yes, all of a sudden we're all under earth as spell. Everybody's just taken off all their clothes. They've just got little pants and their shoes, I think.

SPEAKER_00 52:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 52:58

Just about.

SPEAKER_00 52:59

Then there's a little bit, a little one-shot, where the geeky one is mouthing the words to the song with her voice.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

Yeah. Don't know what that's about. No. But well they're under the spell, I guess. So they're all part of one consciousness now.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

I I guess so. They're like the borg leaping around her.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

There's yes, they're leaping. There's a lot of leaping.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

There's a lot of leaping, having what I view as quite a homosexual experience.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

Yes, yes. Because it's just the one earther and she isn't as involved as all of them are.

SPEAKER_00 53:37

No, she's sort of stood in the middle commanding The puppet master. This army of gay boys.

SPEAKER_01 53:46

Who've all got wives?

SPEAKER_00 53:48

Because Well, yes, we're about to meet the wives.

SPEAKER_01 53:51

Can I cut back to that?

SPEAKER_00 53:53

Yes. We have some more questionable acting. There is one wife in particular.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

I know which one.

SPEAKER_00 54:03

Who said?

SPEAKER_01 54:04

I'm afraid. So bad. Again, I don't think those actresses were delivering those lines. Those have been done at two totally different times. Yeah. And they just couldn't get in the right world.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

The delivery.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

The wives decide that it's been six hours.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 54:25

They're going to go after their husband.

SPEAKER_01 54:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 54:27

So they've been leaping around Earth in a state of undress.

SPEAKER_01 54:31

Because six hours. And the wives are all aware of what where their husbands have gone to.

SPEAKER_00 54:36

And the power.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

And the power of because this is some kind of like phenomenon that you know continues occurring.

SPEAKER_00 54:44

Probably while she was in jail.

SPEAKER_01 54:46

Probably, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:48

Uh because of because she just lures men.

SPEAKER_01 54:50

They can't just be luring men and getting them to shred their clothes and hop about.

SPEAKER_00 54:56

They're a worse crime. Um so the women then somehow enter the big pink space.

SPEAKER_01 55:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 55:07

Pushing giant black cubes.

SPEAKER_01 55:11

I had a few questions about that.

SPEAKER_00 55:12

Yeah, which Earth and the Men apparently don't see.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

They just carry on.

SPEAKER_00 55:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 55:17

Um They look like they look like clothing racks uh uh under uh bin bags.

SPEAKER_00 55:23

Yes. I mean I don't think don't think this is a high budget music video.

SPEAKER_01 55:28

No, no. No. All the budget had gone on the men.

SPEAKER_00 55:35

So they push these things in. There's a woman atop each one.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

Yeah. They've got a plan.

SPEAKER_00 55:40

They pass around a net and they throw a net over Eartha and the men.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 55:48

And at which point we cut to just a shot of Eartha in a completely different black outfit with a net just descending over her face.

SPEAKER_01 56:00

Yes. Yes, we do. So there's some sort of confusion with the net because the net the women are applying to try and trap Eartha.

SPEAKER_00 56:10

Yes. And rescue their men, one assumes.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

And rescue the men, folk. But there's also some kind of thing where they were like, oh, a net over the face. It's almost like when you have a hat with like the the veil on it. Yes. And they wanted to make that a comparison, they couldn't quite figure out how to do it in a way that works.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

And just when you think you're reaching a suitable story conclusion. All the men, well, and Eartha, to be fair. Everyone under that net turns into a cat.

SPEAKER_01 56:43

Yes. Well, does Eartha turn into a cat? Because then the end shot is her with the cats, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 56:49

Well, I think she becomes Eartha again.

SPEAKER_01 56:52

Right, okay. I think at this stage.

SPEAKER_00 56:55

Because then we cut to the women sat on chairs around a small rectangle in the floor, covered with a net, and they're doing some stylized crying dancing with handkerchiefs.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

Just in case anyone was wondering why we think this is cat. The phrase stylised crying dancing doesn't come up other places.

SPEAKER_00 57:22

No, no, I've never said that before in my life.

SPEAKER_01 57:25

No.

SPEAKER_00 57:26

I I wonder if I'll say it again.

SPEAKER_01 57:28

Yes. I i the cat thing is is it yeah. Because obviously they wanted to, I don't know, tie it into her being catwoman.

SPEAKER_00 57:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 57:36

But why the men turn into cats? Because I'm sure that the women who wanted the men back, maybe they prefer them as cats.

unknown 57:44

Maybe not.

SPEAKER_01 57:44

I don't blame them. I mean, all these blokes just went off to try and trap Eartha.

SPEAKER_00 57:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:49

And it's quite clear that every time they try and trap Eartha, what they actually end up doing is gyrating around with their buddies.

SPEAKER_00 57:58

With no clothes on.

SPEAKER_01 58:00

So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 58:01

It's sort of almost like one of those Earth rituals in the woods where you dance around the fire with no clothes on.

SPEAKER_01 58:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:09

Yeah. Uh and then we finish on a shot of Eartha now in a cat suit.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

Yes. I think holding a whip. I think she's holding something, and I think she's got the veil on.

SPEAKER_00 58:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 58:22

The net veil.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

She walks towards all of the cats.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

Like she is queen of the pussy.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

I didn't want to take it there, but okay, yes. Yeah. Because we forgot, I think we forgot to mention the footprints. They're pussy whipped.

unknown 58:47

I can't.

SPEAKER_01 58:50

The excitement with which you said that nearly nearly ruptured the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 58:55

I love it when I think of a pun.

SPEAKER_01 59:00

Yes, no, we forgot the footprints because at the beginning there's footprints of a cat and a human. So she can she can presumably change at will.

SPEAKER_00 59:08

She's a shapeshifter.

SPEAKER_01 59:09

Yes. Okay, yeah. So she can do what she likes. Yeah. But I don't know who ch changed the men. If the women were trying to trap her and she changed the men out of spite.

SPEAKER_00 59:20

Possibly so that they couldn't have them back.

SPEAKER_01 59:23

Yes. That's what I think happened. They're Earth's men now. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 59:27

Maybe they're gonna feed her grapes.

SPEAKER_01 59:29

I well, maybe. I imagine so. They look the type. Again, they look the type.

SPEAKER_00 59:35

And the message of the song which may have got lost.

SPEAKER_01 59:39

I don't think I listened to a single word.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

Is her saying she doesn't care what people think about her.

SPEAKER_01 59:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:46

And I mean to make a video like that, that would have to be true.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

You did say it was called I Don't Care or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh well, it's wonderful, it really is. Yes. Uh but it's it's it is camp, it's definitely it's lent into that.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

I think it's almost camp in its purest form. Mmm, yeah, it's been distilled. Camp ore. That camp is 0% proof, is that? No, not 0%. I don't know. That's alcohol 3, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:19

No. Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

Yes, the absinthe of the camp. Camp synth.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:27

We did it again. On fire. You're on something.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:36

Speaking of being on something.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:38

I don't know how you're gonna top that.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:40

We're moving to 1998 now. Okay. When Eartha made an appearance on the Roseanne Barr show. Oh my god. At Halloween.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:50

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:52

Here is Eartha Kit doing the Monster Mash. Wow. That day was the Monster Mash by Eartha Kit and Roseanne Barr.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:01

Yeah, she wanted in on the action, didn't she? She did.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:06

Yes. We've said a lot about people's voices on this podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:12

Roseanne Barr cannot sing.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:15

Hmm. It's interesting that she wanted to try.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:19

Yes, it's interesting that she was allowed.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:22

Because the the Who's Allowed to Sing is quite a theme running through this clip.

unknown 1:01:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:30

Earthha comes out to sing the song. Yeah. She's a guest there in order to sing the song, right? And she does a great job. I think it's quite a difficult song to sing. It's very odd, sort of.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:41

Yes. It sort of works for her vocally.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:44

I totally totally think it works. And it's um yeah, it's a classic Halloween song.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:49

Everyone's having a good time.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

She's dressed as a witch.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:52

She looks great as a witch, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:54

She's well, I d think that is a designer witch's dress. Yes. It's not your Azda special.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:00

No, no, no. It's not, it's not your bog standard uh, you know, throw it on uh at Halloween witch's dress. She looks incredible and then she has a witch's hat. It's yeah. She looks great. She's singing the song.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:16

And her and Roseanne are standing together.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:18

Yeah, Roseanne sort of trots over.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

Trots over to her, doesn't she?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:22

Middle-aged mum that's had a couple of wines.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:26

And Roseanne, you know, it's her show, so she also has a microphone. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:32

And decides to just get in on the action.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:35

Yeah, the thing about Monster Mash is you've kind of got your main vocal line.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:39

And then you've got something that runs underneath.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:41

Yeah, the woes and whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:44

And Roseanne decides to do the bit underneath.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:49

Yeah, and I don't um so w when they're the way they're standing, Eartha has her hand on Roseanne Pharr's arm.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:00

And I thought initially, I was like, oh, is she trying to push the microphone away from Roseanne's mouth? And then I thought, no, no, that can't be true. I'm sure she's just keeping in time because they're kind of rocking. They rehearsed a dance or something. She's keeping her in time. No, she's definitely trying to push it away from her mouth.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:23

As the piece goes on, there are moments of visible contempt.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:28

Yes. Yes, there are.

unknown 1:03:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:34

They're subtle.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:35

But they're there.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:36

She's a professional. She's a professional. She's a professional. But it is, it does read as what the hell are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:44

Get away from me.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:45

Get out of my space, you insane talentless woman.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:51

And then at sort of towards the climax of the song.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:54

It reaches a peak.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:55

It reaches a peak. Where she grabs Roseanne's arm and pulls that microphone as far away from her mouth as she can.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:03

As much as she can do. And she and Roseanne's laughing. But both these women know. I love it. And she does have a because I've you know, said she has like resting bitch face and very serious and scary. She does have a little chuckle to herself after that happens. She does, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:27

I think it's worth pointing out she's probably in sh yeah, no, she's into her seventies at this point.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:32

Wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:33

She still looks she looks better than I do now.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:37

I mean she's amazing. She's got a very unique, sort of striking look with these, you know, flashing eyes and yeah, but she she she does look incredible.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

Yeah, and she's still I mean, now I think I'd call it a slut drop. I don't think that's necessarily what she intended, but it's that sort of drop to the floor and back up quite quickly.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:59

But she can drop it like it's hot.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:01

She can drop it like it's hot. Is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:02

Yes, yeah, yeah. Impressive. I cannot if I drop, I'm not getting back up.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:09

I can drop, it's not hot.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:11

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:13

But she again is just owning this performance. And like, I don't want to dwell on her age because age shouldn't be something that is restrictive when it comes to this. But you don't see a lot of women in their 70s moving around like this.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:33

No, and yeah. That that's the thing. In her the power of her performance, she's lost nothing from the you know the other clips that we've seen.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:42

And she is a very commanding presence.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:45

One thing that happens to women when they get older is they're like, you know, oh who l who's let Granny out? And they become known for their age and kind of stereotyped into a role of you know, how how they relate to their offspring. Or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

She's not anybody's granny.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:02

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:03

You know? No. I don't know if she is literally, but you when you look at her, you don't see her as an old woman. You don't see her as anything like that. She's she's a powerful performer. No matter what Roseanne tries to do. A little word for Halloween. Um we decided on campused uh furniture, she's long.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:26

Yeah. Campist animal.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:28

Campist animal we've gone sea lion. I mean Flamingo wants a word, but that we've gone for that for now. Um it just flamingos just don't have the performance presence. Anyway. Campused uh you know what do they call it? They call it in holiday in home. Holiday, yeah. What do we call it? What do we call those days? Campus Festival feels wrong event.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:53

Let's go with holiday because I think it's Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:57

Is there a really obvious word and I'm just banking on that? No. No, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:01

I would call it a holiday.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:03

I think Christmas and Halloween are the only contenders.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:08

I think they really, you know, they wanna they wanna fight for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

Yeah. I mean the Easter bonnet is thrown itself into the ring, but it's not up there for me.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:16

No, I mean it's it's very it it's it's frilly.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:21

It's frilly.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:23

It's nonsensical. It's it's whimsical. But full-on camp, I probably would go Halloween.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:29

It's Halloween or Christmas, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:31

Do you do you like Christmas? Are you a Christmas boy?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:34

I think the things like fairy lights and tinsel lend themselves very much to camp.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

But the dressing up.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:44

The dressing up and the people sort of jumping around dressed as wolves in the audience. Yes. Watching them sing this.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:52

All the dressing up and sweets, I don't know. I like Halloween for camp. And yeah, the audience are all dressed up in this, enjoying it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:00

It's definitely it looks like a good old time. I'd I would love to have been there and seen um grappling with Roseanne Barr.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:08

It does make me wonder how the rest of the show went. Yes. Because I imagine there was an interview portion.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:14

You would assume.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:15

Oh, I want to go and trap that down now.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:17

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:19

Uh we are moving on to our final video today. And it is the most recent video that we've ever covered.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:29

Oh, is it?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:29

This is from 2008.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:32

And this is an appearance on Later with Jules Holland. Right. Eartha was 81 at the time that this was recorded. And I wanted to include it because I wanted, if nothing else, to take away her talent.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:51

You wanted to take away her talent.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:53

No, no, no. I wanted us to take away from this her talent. I mean, if it's going spare, I'll have it. But um as I say, she's 81 in this clip. Uh this is Earth a Kit performing Ain't Misbehaving. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:12

Wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:14

I know, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:15

She's so good.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:16

It's one of those performances that kind of goes back to when we were discussing B. Arthur. It is camp, it feels camp, but it also oozes class and professionalism and somebody who has been doing it so long that they're fully in their power. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:42

And they know themselves and what they've got to offer.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:46

Yes, and that voice is no different to how it was.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:53

No. It's got the same quality.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:56

Yeah, I'd say i i in some respects it's stronger.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:02

Yeah, because it's so at ease. It's like an ease that she performs with. It's really nice when she's got older. It's it it's genuinely a wonderful performance because it looks like she's having such a good time. Yes. And you can kind of imagine her more when she's been in the jazz clubs and been really riffing with the band rather than when she's on a TV special and she's got to think about what camera she's on and all that sort of stuff. It's her letting loose.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:36

Yeah, a hundred percent. She is in her power. She's still owning that studio.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:45

And you know, Jules Holland is there, but no one's watching him.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:50

No, I have a I have a whole problem with Jules Holland in that um if anyone used to watch Jules Holland at New Year's, I always felt like the entire rest of the world was out having a good time and I was stuck in watching Jules Holland. So to me, I associate uh Jules Holland with a depressing night in. Um but he is an excellent pianist, not taking anything that's the word, Nick. He's an excellent pianist. And she she appreciates that. She oozes sexuality.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:21

She calls him very sexy. How did you feel about that?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:24

Well, I didn't like him because I find him to be sort of odious, which is really nasty because uh it was in one of my favourite bands of all time, it's in Squeeze. But there's n there's no reason for me to dislike him other than my personal grudge against him being on a new night. But um and also he's not sexy. But anyway, but she the the piano playing that she she's kind of watching his like solo where she's not singing. I thought her hand came across and was gonna grab his leg because she's so like I don't know, she's she's oozing this sexuality, and I was like, the hand comes out, and I was like, oh my god, is she gonna grab Jules Holly? You can't do that. Um he's gotta get on at New Year's. Um but she doesn't, but then she says, very sexy. Yeah. So she definitely was thinking about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:12

She likes a man that knows how to use his fingers.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:15

There you go, there you go. Yeah, she does. But we do get some classic Urtha. She does go for a I can't do anything. Thank you. She does another uh slutdrop, that's what we're calling them.

unknown 1:12:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:31

An 81-year-old slut. And it's quick as well. Yeah, she's back up quicker than I do.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:36

Down and up, I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:38

She puts her leg up on the piano.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:40

I think that was unadvisable. I from the look in her eye.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:44

I still think it's higher than I could manage.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:46

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I could get it up there, it wouldn't come back. I'd have to have a team.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:54

Can we bring in the leg team, please? Lisa's got her leg up on the piano again. Yeah, yeah, bring the crane. Yeah. And she is still, and it goes sort of back to what we said in the last clip, the glamour has not faded.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:14

No. She manages to bring glamour, even even though, you know Even though it's Jules Holland on the BBC. Even though it's Jules Holland. And she's not over the top, you know. She's not wearing something that's like absurd. She's wearing kind of just a nice little outfit, but it's just the colour and the sort of the way she's a few. Like it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:36

I don't want you to think I'm being disparaging about the outfit when I say this.

unknown 1:13:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:40

But it's sort of heightened nan on a cruise.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:44

Yes, no, I agree. Because it's like a pantsuit with a scarf, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:49

Yes, but there's something about the pantsuit and how she carries it and she wears it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:54

That takes her off the cruise and into a jazz club.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:59

Yes, absolutely. No, I agree I do agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:03

So, we've watched our videos, we've talked about Eartha's life.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:08

What do you think her legacy is?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:13

I d I do I do feel really sad if people only know her from the pull the lever kronk.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:20

Pull the lever krunk.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:21

Exactly. Yeah. If people only know her from that, you know, Emperor's New Groove sort of voiceover, they're really they're like I I understand it was iconic for a generation, but they're missing out on this whole person who is incredibly inspiring.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:38

I know what you're saying. I what I think is that if they do only know her from that, I'm still glad that they know who she is.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:47

Oh, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:49

Because potentially I think that I think that came out in 2001. Without that, I think she would be less known today.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:58

Oh yeah, I think you're right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:01

Which would be a massive shame.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:03

It would be. Yeah, because there's a there's a a person there for the people to discover.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:09

Who's really exciting and interesting, and yeah, in talking about camp like camp as a resistance and a a performance in your real life as much as anything is real. But you're you're off stage, you know, or you're uh kind of you're performing yourself in a way that you wish the world was rather than how it actually how you actually find it. Yes. I think that's a really interesting aspect to her. Uh it's a kind of sad aspect when you look at her real life, but it's also there's something beautiful about the fact that she survives and she's become this iconic persona despite any adversity that's thrown at her. And I think that's I think that's what I hope people will find out if they do know her from one very specific thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:04

Yes. I I wish there was more awareness of her kind of social work. She wasn't a social worker, but I, you know, she really did get herself behind causes and used her powers for good, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:23

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:24

I think she's an incredible vocalist. Through exploring this, there are recordings of her that I have gone back to and will continue to go back to.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:35

And she's yeah, she's so unique. So it's really a shame if that isn't remembered, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:40

Yeah, and unique isn't really something that is around so much now.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:46

No, I don't think you get someone like this now. And she um yeah, she deserves a kind of place in history, like you say, for all the things she got involved in. There's this tendency for people looking back at the past to say, Oh, everyone believed such and such bad thing, that we're we're better, we know better than that now. There were always people who were resisting, like her, and it's good to look at how they how they navigated through.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:12

Someone had to stand up first.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:15

I'm not saying that she was the first to to stand up, but to be part of that fight early on, yes, I think is always brave.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:24

At a time with real danger for her, yeah, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:27

Completely.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:28

And you know, that's that's why it's like it's sad if she is reduced to like one very specific niche thing without all that other side to her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:38

Yes, absolutely.

unknown 1:17:39

Woo!

SPEAKER_00 1:17:40

So that was the Eartha Kit episode of Camp Icons. I feel like we might end up going back to Earth of Kit at some point.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:48

It's been so much fun. What a great episode. I think I could talk about it for ages.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:52

There's like such a breadth of work out there as well for us to. We we could have done a whole episode on her 80s music video, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:01

Believe you.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:02

Yes. If you have enjoyed the podcast, please follow us on all the socials. We are at Camp Icons Podcast on Instagram and TikTok. And we still have that Facebook page. Uh Camp Icons Podcast over on Facebook. If you have enjoyed the podcast, please like it, subscribe to us, give us a review. Um, it really helps uh us build an audience and get what we're doing into the ears of other people. Is there anything you'd like to say before we go? I I normally just blunder on through, but I'm don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:39

I'm well, I've had a lovely time.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:41

You've had a lovely time.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:42

I have, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:44

Can you remember who we're doing next week?

unknown 1:18:46

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:46

No. Next week we're we're breaking new ground next week. Next week is our first, I mean, don't let her hear me say this, our first fictional camp icon.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:58

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:59

Yes. Uh next week we are going to be delving into the world of Miss Piggy. Of course. Camp icon extraordinaire. I've been Nick. Thank you for listening.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:13

I've been Liz, thank you for listening.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:15

And we'll see you next week.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:17

Bye bye. Bye.