WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.080 Thank you for joining us for After the Message. 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:12.800 To learn more about Celebration Church here in Orlando, you can follow us on social media under the handle at CelebrationORL or visit our website at celebrationorl.org. 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:16.320 Hey, welcome to After the Message. 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:26.320 If you are stumbling upon this, you are uh on the Celebration in Orlando, Celebration Church here in Orlando podcast. 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:33.520 And After the Message is uh a place where we talk about the previous sermon from Sunday. 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:36.719 And um yeah, if this is your first time, welcome. 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:40.079 If you're new to our church, welcome to Celebration Church. 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:47.280 Um today I am honored and privileged to have my man Vinny. 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:48.960 Brother Vinny, how are you, sir? 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:49.840 I'm good. 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:51.840 How are you, brother Nate? 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:53.280 I'm good. 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:56.079 It's it's about time you got on the podcast, man. 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:58.320 I was just waiting for an invitation. 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:00.479 Okay, don't even go there, dude. 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:03.039 No, to be very honest, guys. 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:05.760 Nate has invited me. 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:11.680 Um, but uh God just made this day for this podcast. 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:12.799 Do you believe that? 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:13.599 Amen. 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:14.079 Okay. 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:15.120 Providential. 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:16.400 Exactly. 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:18.959 We can go there right off the bat. 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:22.560 Bro, this is what I believe. 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:26.879 I make my plans, but the Lord has the final answer. 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:27.519 Amen. 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:28.560 So that's it. 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:29.519 Amen. 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:31.040 Love it. 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:32.879 Well, what else do we need to say for the day? 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:33.920 I think that's it, guys. 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:35.359 Thank you for listening up. 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:37.920 Oh man. 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:47.439 No, but seriously, I mean, you and I have tried to get this together for a while now, and uh, you have 40 million things you got going on in your life. 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:49.519 So thanks for being on. 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:52.959 For those that don't know, what is your role at the church? 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:54.159 What what do you do? 00:01:54.640 --> 00:02:00.400 Uh okay, I'm a worship and production uh director um from Celebration Orlando. 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:02.640 It's been uh a privilege. 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:05.200 One year in uh four months doing that. 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:06.719 Wow, it's been great. 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:08.479 That's crazy, it's already been that long. 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:09.599 Yeah, it's crazy. 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:17.520 I remember my first day being there and um at the office, not at the church, at the office, and then it was 4 p.m. 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:18.960 I was ready to go home. 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:20.800 Actually, it was 3 58. 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:28.240 I was packing my stuff to go home, and then you show up and you said 3 58, no, it's not time to go to go home. 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:31.840 I was like, all right, pranking me on the first day. 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:33.120 I don't remember that. 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:34.000 You did. 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:37.680 Oh, that's good stuff. 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:45.759 Um, and if you can't tell by now, Vinny, you are not from America. 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:46.560 I'm not. 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:47.520 Where are you from? 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:51.759 I'm from Brazil, Sao Paulo, best city in the world. 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:56.800 Well, not better than uh Los Angeles and New York. 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:02.319 Oh, but uh so probably the third city right there, Sao Paulo. 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:06.400 Uh I think we may have some listeners in Brazil. 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:07.039 Is that true? 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:08.319 It's true, it's true. 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:08.960 Why don't you go? 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.240 America is top one, and then Brazil listening to us. 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:15.759 So pessoal do Brazil, being vindos. 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:17.599 So I think so. 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:19.520 Yeah. 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:21.599 I whatever you said, I agree. 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:22.800 I'm in agreement with that. 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:27.680 I just said, hey guys from Brazil, welcome, stay with us, and you will be blessed. 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:29.680 Love it. 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:30.479 Love it. 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:48.560 Well, we're beginning a new series uh called Exiles, and we're looking at the book of Daniel, and Pastor Keith has been talking about this series since he said it in the sermon, but he's literally been talking about, and you know, when the elections come around, we're gonna be talking about exiles. 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:53.759 Like he's really genuinely had this since the beginning of the year, this idea for this series. 00:03:53.919 --> 00:04:27.199 So we're obviously on staff, we get to hear the things before they happen, so but now finally it's rolled out, and what we're gonna be talking about is you know, is just that, what's going on in our world and how divisive it can be, and how messy and strange and all the things, but how do we as Christians uh live correctly in that, and how do we, you know, how do we go about our daily lives in a way that's honoring to God, but also is um helpful to the people around us too, you know? 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:37.120 And so uh Daniel is definitely a great story to compare our situation to his. 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:49.040 Um but I thought I was thinking through, you know, recording the podcast, and I thought it was kind of funny, and I didn't even think about this when I before I asked you, but you're kind of an exile, man. 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:57.199 Definitely, you are not in your home, you're in another country, another culture altogether. 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:59.120 What's that been like for you? 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.800 Uh well, it's been great, it's been great. 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:08.079 Uh well, we've been we've been living here for almost four years. 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:28.079 So I think right now we are in this position, especially with my daughter, that we need to decide what's what's the aspects or what are the things of the American culture we want to teach her, we want her to be part of, or we want her to participate. 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:31.120 And what are the things of the Brazilian culture? 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:39.759 Uh, we want to make sure we want to teach, we wanna we want her to you know participate, get involved. 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:50.800 So I think it's pretty much what a little bit of uh Daniel uh life, like being in Babylon, of course, you need to adjust a little bit. 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:56.240 You are living in a different place, different language, different culture, different everything. 00:05:57.680 --> 00:05:59.759 But wait a little bit. 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:09.279 There's a bunch of things that uh it's important for you to not negotiate, not negotiate, not give up, not um, we drink coke in Brazil. 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:10.240 You guys drink Dr. 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:10.879 Pepper. 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:11.839 I'm sorry. 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.360 Uh I'm I've been living here, but I'm not drinking Dr. 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:15.839 Pepper. 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:20.560 I'm gonna still drinking Coke because that's the thing, Coca-Cola, man. 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:21.279 So good. 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:22.160 Exactly. 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:23.839 So it's been interesting. 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:25.040 It's been interesting. 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:28.639 Um I can give you a lot of examples. 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:30.480 For example, the stop sign here. 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:34.959 You guys actually stop, which is awesome. 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:36.160 We don't do that. 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:39.519 Well, yeah, we get we get fined if we don't stop. 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:40.720 Well, we don't have that. 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:45.439 Okay, we have the stop sign, but uh we just ignore it. 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:49.680 Yeah, so living here, this is something that I need to adjust. 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:50.560 You know what? 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:51.920 I need to stop. 00:06:52.560 --> 00:07:01.680 Um, for example, the when you guys are on uh intersection, I think that's the word, and you guys can turn uh right, we cannot do that in Brazil. 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:13.439 So when I was there a year ago, I was feeling very tempted to turn right, even even knowing that I knowing that I can't, yeah. 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:17.199 So I think that's the thing. 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:25.120 Um living here, I need to adjust, but I don't wanna lose things that I think it's important. 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:33.439 Um and I think that's exactly what Pastor Keith uh uh said last Sunday. 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:40.639 Like, what are the things that uh you know it's so important to you that uh you won't negotiate? 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:41.519 Yeah. 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:48.639 And that's I mean the title of the message, and I think the theme for that day for Sunday was drawing the line. 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:50.560 You know, where's where's the line for us? 00:07:50.720 --> 00:08:00.079 And uh he kind of he kind of hit on draw the line of resistance, draw the line of dependence, and uh draw the line in confidence, you know. 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:17.040 And um I I think this poses a great a great question for all Christians and it's definitely attention where is the line, you know, and there's so many different ideas on what that is. 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:42.720 Um but let's just talk about let's just talk about one area of that being how we interact with people who aren't Christians, you know what I mean, and and how we because he was talking towards the end of the sermon, he was kind of talking about when you draw the line, it's it's actually an invitation for other people because they kind of see like, man, your life's different, you know? 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:52.720 But you don't but America especially, and I don't know about Brazil, but America, Christianity has had the reputation to exclude. 00:08:52.960 --> 00:09:00.639 You know, there's been an exclusion, like you we're not gonna associate with you because you are involved in XYZ. 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:16.799 So I think what's happening with our generation of Christianity is we're trying to figure out how do we be inclusive of others, but at the same time not compromise truth. 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:17.759 Does that make sense? 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:18.559 Yeah, yeah. 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:20.000 What's been your experience with that? 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:28.639 Oh man, I don't know if I I understand what you're saying, and uh, but I don't know if I agree with that mindset of let's try to be inclusive. 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:29.200 Okay. 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:40.960 Um, because even if we if we read the the first three chapters of Acts, we see this church that they were not trying to be inclusive. 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:45.679 They were just trying to be the church that uh was pleasing God. 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:53.759 And uh the world was looking to then, and the world was like, Oh, okay, we see this is something special, we want to be part of this. 00:09:54.080 --> 00:10:09.279 They were not trying to uh uh adjust, they were just they were just living a life, they were just doing the things that they thought uh they were supposed to do, and then everybody around was like, Well, this is amazing. 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:26.159 Um, but I I understand that we need to reach the lost, but I I don't think we need to reach the lost by uh um being inclusive or not not being inclusive, but uh adjusting ourselves to then let's put that away. 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:30.240 I think we just need to be what we are called to be. 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:33.519 And they will look to us and say, Well, there's something different there. 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:34.720 I want to be part of this. 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:38.480 I wanna, you know, I wanna I wanna have what you have. 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:40.799 At least that that's my experience. 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:48.639 When I uh when I uh surrendered my life to Jesus, uh uh I was I want to say 14 years old. 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:58.639 And I I I I literally changed uh it it actually it really changed my life. 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:07.519 Uh so my friends at school they were like constantly asking me hey, you're you're different now. 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:09.120 What's happening? 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:12.320 Uh what happened with you? 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:14.159 Uh what's going on? 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:22.879 And then I was just like being myself and saying, hey, I found something different, I found joy in a different place, I found peace in a different place. 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:24.399 Do you want to try that? 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:30.639 So I was not I was not trying to you know what I'm saying? 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:32.559 I was just you aren't advertising it, yeah. 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:33.120 Exactly. 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:37.039 I was just living my life with Christ, and that was just my testimony. 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:41.440 So everybody was like, Well, we see your different, so what's that? 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:44.720 Um so I think that's the point. 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:53.200 Uh the church should be focused on being the church and not being anything else to be attractive to the world. 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:57.360 I think that's that's the way God wants us to be. 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:58.000 Yeah. 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:00.559 What do you I mean, what do you think? 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:07.200 Um what do you think we've done or how can we do that? 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.679 I guess is the is the best way to take the pressure. 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:12.159 Do we just need to take pressure off of ourselves? 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:15.600 And like what's our responsibility in it? 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:33.919 I think I think a great way of thinking about this is Galatians chapter 5, and and uh when the Bible talks about the fruit of the spirit, and uh hey, we are different because we have the spirit of God living inside us. 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:38.879 So this fruit should uh coming out of us. 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:55.840 So I think our responsibility, our strategy, the things I think we should be doing is growing on that area, like growing on love, growing on peace, growing on joy, growing in on self-control, growing on uh being kind, patient, patient. 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:57.279 I think that's the point. 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:01.519 If we are growing on that, people will look at us, will say, Well, you are different. 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:06.000 Social media looks crazy, but you're always kind. 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:13.440 Um, the world around you, world around you looks crazy, but you you're you're you always have peace. 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:14.399 What's that? 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:20.480 Um, so I think the best testimony the church can give to the world is the fruit of the spirit. 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:23.840 Um, I think to be honest with you, I think that's the line. 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:25.919 That's the line right there. 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:33.039 If you if we need to if we need to draw the line, I think the the line, the name of the line is fruit of the spirit. 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:35.360 Everybody will notice the difference. 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:59.360 Um it was interesting that story that Pastor Keith told about he was doing some research, and they had this supercomputer or whatever, and they entered all these problems into the computer like hunger and uh poverty and all this stuff, and they asked for the solution, and the computer spit out love, peace, joy, gentleness, kindness, self-control. 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:00.240 Exactly. 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:02.559 Um, and I think you're right, man. 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:07.120 Uh you know, there's a difference between someone who's nice and someone who's kind. 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:07.759 Exactly. 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:10.480 I can be nice but be a terrible person. 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:11.120 Exactly. 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:13.759 But kindness, that's God given. 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.799 You know, like you said, that's a that's literally a fruit of the spirit. 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:21.120 It's it's a manifestation of your relationship with Jesus. 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:21.919 Exactly. 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:23.759 And so I think you're right. 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:31.279 And man, just and just to add one more thing to that, and I and I think that that goes back to Daniel. 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:49.679 At some point, I don't know exactly where or when the church was just putting labels on people saying, Well, well, you're a Christian because you don't listen to secular music, you're a Christian because you wait until you have for have sex after marriage. 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.320 You're a Christian because you do that, da da da da da. 00:14:52.879 --> 00:15:01.039 And uh I think the point is you are a good Christian when you have all these fruits uh growing inside of you. 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:06.320 Um so I think I think that's our challenge. 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:13.440 Being the church in 2020 is just manifest the fruit of the spirit all around. 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:14.879 I think that's our challenge. 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:24.159 Yeah, I've I've asked uh the question I'm about to ask to you in similar manners to other people before, but I want to get your perspective on it. 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:34.240 It seems like today there are there are distinctions, dis distinguishable things between uh certain sides, okay? 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:54.399 However, I feel like the world is all up is also about like um about like being kind to one another, you know, like you hear that a lot, and and and and charity and all that on all that stuff, humility and everything like the world speaks of those things as well. 00:15:54.879 --> 00:16:03.919 So how does how does the church stand out as as different when when the world like somewhat values those things too? 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:05.279 Does that make sense? 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:07.200 Yeah, it makes sense. 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:13.840 I just think the church has a different uh perspective, and the perspective is just Jesus. 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:40.320 So when the world says, well, you need you know you need um you need joy or humility, or they are just talking about a feeling, they are just talking about uh yeah, a feeling, emotion, emotion, exactly. 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:51.840 And when we talk about the fruit of spirit, we know that the fruit of spirit is love, and out of love you get peace, you get joy, you get uh self-control, you got uh everything. 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:56.240 And the Bible says that love is not a feeling, it's not an emotion. 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:04.000 Love is a person that it's God, and God shows who He is for us through Jesus. 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:13.279 So I think it's different when the world and when the world says, Well, you need humility, this is just a feeling. 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:19.440 But here, the fruit of the spirit is hey, it's love, Jesus is love. 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:36.319 So as long as you are imitating him, as long as you are copying him, as long as you are trying to live your life the way he would live, the fruit of the spirit won't be just an emotion, won't be just a feeling, it will be something coming from inside inside out. 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:36.799 Yeah. 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:39.039 Um, so it's more than just a feeling. 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:43.440 I think it's it's a lifestyle, and it's uh the Jesus lifestyle. 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:46.160 Yeah, that's that's a great, that's a great point. 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:57.200 Um so I always like to talk to people about where we are currently, um as far as whenever I do after the message. 00:17:57.599 --> 00:17:58.720 My phone's ringing. 00:17:58.799 --> 00:17:59.359 Oh well. 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.000 Um 2020. 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:03.599 What's it been like for you? 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:12.960 What are some things that maybe you've you've learned, or maybe even some things that you're processing with God or talking to God about? 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:25.039 I mean, what and I think that it kind of lends itself to where we're gonna go in this series, just kind of knowing a little bit behind the scenes of what Cat Pastor Keith is thinking about as far as like the election and everything. 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:30.720 But for you, just seeing the world in America, let's just talk about America because this is where you've been. 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:31.279 Yeah. 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:32.799 What what's it been like for you? 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.640 What's what's your experience been? 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:52.559 I think 2020 has taught me that uh I think that's the most important lesson I've been trying to learn is community. 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:55.119 It's it's so important. 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:59.839 Relationships, and I'll I'll I'll I would love to explain it more. 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:05.440 But uh well, we were we were just living our lives, we were fine in February. 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:07.359 It was cool. 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:33.039 I remember I was with the worship team uh playing bowling uh and uh my father-in-law stopped by to pick me up, and then on my way, driving back home, Juliana text my wife texted me saying, Hey, next week we won't have uh class classes on my school because of this weird pandemic. 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.400 I was like, What what? 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:38.160 What are you talking about? 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:44.240 Well, the very first thing I did was calling Lindsay asking, Hey, do you think we'll have services next Sunday? 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:46.079 Because apparently this is happening, blah blah. 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:48.319 And she was like, I don't know, I'll ask. 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:52.400 No, we didn't have service that that Sunday. 00:19:53.119 --> 00:20:03.519 Uh March, and then in March this thing, this thing hit us, and now we don't have everything that was very important for us. 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:15.279 The Sunday experience, the great uh service, lights and and great songs and great worship team, and all this production. 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:16.559 We don't have that anymore. 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:18.319 We don't have that anymore. 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:41.119 Six months later I see myself in this situation, and uh we talked about that before, but um when we lose everything that was important for us, we realize that hey, church is not about Sunday, church is not about Sunday at all. 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:47.440 Church, uh it's about community, it's a hundred percent about relationships. 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:50.960 Actually, I think that's the way uh I understand this. 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:57.759 Sunday is just an overflow of something. 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:06.160 The celebration on on Sunday is just a consequence of something it's happening uh during the week. 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:11.039 It's it's a consequence of of what's happening in my life, and what's that? 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:19.839 It's uh me, Vini, you, Nate trying to live the way that Jesus would love us to live, but in community. 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:24.400 So I'm being the best version of Vini, you're being the best version of Nate. 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:32.240 We're having this community, we are you know sharing, we are growing together, and on a Sunday we go together to celebrate that. 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:38.960 On Sunday, we go together to serve, and Sunday we're just having church as a consequence of this. 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:43.039 Um before COVID, that's my perspective. 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:45.839 Uh the Sunday was our starting point. 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:49.200 We were doing Sunday to accomplish something else. 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:51.440 And now I think it's the opposite. 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:55.680 I think we need to accomplish something and then have Sunday to celebrate. 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:03.759 Um And when when we talk about America, well, this is my perspective for church. 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:04.000 Yeah. 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:08.079 Now when we talk about America, I think it's pretty much the same thing. 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:12.480 Like, man, it's all about community and love. 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:14.160 It's all about community and love. 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:29.680 I know I've been repetitive here, but uh um when we talk about Republicans and uh Democrats in this fight, it's it's because there's no community right there. 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:40.480 What we have right there is just uh passion about ideas or or goals, but there's not there's no there's no community. 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:42.400 Uh so fight. 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:43.680 Social media. 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:45.440 We have fights all around. 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:46.160 You know why? 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:47.519 Because there's no community. 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:55.839 Um a great example, I think Pastor Keith Keith talked about this a little bit, black lives matter or all all lives matter. 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:59.279 Why we're talking about this? 00:22:59.920 --> 00:23:02.240 We're talking about this because there's no community. 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:10.559 Because if if there was community, the love would be all around and not discussions, not fights, not um. 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:15.200 So I think I think we're missing that so much. 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:18.079 Um community. 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.240 And how would how do we build that? 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:22.640 We go back to the fruit of the spirits for me. 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:31.839 We build that out of love, we build that out of peace, we build that out of joy, we build that out uh out of uh self-control. 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:40.079 Um so I think that's my 2020 uh community and fruit of spirit. 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:43.839 Uh God has talked a lot about this with me. 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:49.279 Um, and I've been trying to be a better vini on those two areas. 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:50.160 Yeah. 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:51.839 What um does that make sense? 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:53.359 It does, it makes a lot of sense. 00:23:53.440 --> 00:24:03.680 And I and I think I think the question that someone may have is okay, uh, I don't have community, or my community's not as strong as I would like it to be. 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:09.920 And maybe they've tried things in order to strengthen that, but they still keep hitting a wall. 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:17.119 In your in your experience, what's the best way to try and build community or foster it? 00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:20.880 To be very honest with you, I don't think I had this answer. 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:23.279 I I I have been trying to figure out as well. 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:31.279 Something that I've noticed is every time we talk about community, we are always putting pressure on someone else. 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:36.559 It's always like, well, but the leader never called me, my friend never texted me back. 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:44.640 I never um and when we talk about community, I think we we need to stop being the victim and start being responsible. 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:51.920 We need to, you know, hey, I need community, I understand that this is important, so I'm going to do something. 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:54.160 I'm going to invite people to come over. 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:59.039 I'm going to text a guy that uh last time I texted him was two months ago. 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:01.359 I'm gonna reach out to somebody. 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:04.960 I will initiate something, I will start something. 00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:18.400 Um in uh 2008, uh, so I want to say 12 years ago, we lived something amazing in my church church in Brazil. 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:42.799 This guy showed up, he accepted Christ as his Lord and Savior, and uh bro, he initiated a community uh community, I'll put that way, a community movement in my church where everybody used to have their own friends, but he he brought everybody together. 00:25:43.440 --> 00:26:02.000 So now after the service, I was not going like hang out with with my friends of my group of five, it was 400 of us going together to something, it was not planned, it was not like an uh event of the church, it was just community. 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:05.680 This guy was able to put together everybody. 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.519 So when I think about him, it was just one guy. 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:13.759 He was not waiting, he was not like, oh, my leader, she would be. 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.480 He was just, hey, this is important, let's do it. 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:17.359 Let's hang. 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:18.559 Hey, do you know this guy? 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:19.519 Let me introduce you. 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:20.559 Hey, what about you? 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:22.559 Hey, let's connect, hey, let's go. 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:32.960 Let's hey, I'll stop by, I'll pick you up, I I'll drive you, I'll do whatever I can to build this uh community slash church. 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:38.319 Um so I don't think I have the answer, but definitely I think it starts with this. 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:41.599 Stop putting a pressure on someone else. 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:48.559 If you don't have your uh your community, sorry being harsh, but it's your fault. 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.640 Yeah, do something, yeah, reach out, call me. 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:55.440 Keep trying, keep trying, exactly. 00:26:55.680 --> 00:27:13.440 Yeah, I dude, I remember I'm right there with you, and I've I've said this a million times, but man, when I first came to Celebration, I I'm pretty sure I bothered people because of how much I was like just trying to find something, you know. 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:25.759 And dude, honestly, there were there were groups where I would go to or there was an event I would go to and I would try and find a circle of people and it didn't click right away. 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:37.920 You know, like it's nothing that was wrong with the people, or it's nothing that I didn't it wasn't like I didn't like them, but for you know, we just didn't we didn't have the greatest connection. 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:39.039 It's just natural. 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:40.880 And it is, it's normal. 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:41.440 Yes. 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:51.759 But eventually you find people that for whatever reason you gel you gel better and you mesh, and I don't know, man. 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:53.680 It's just it's just trial and error. 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:54.319 Exactly. 00:27:54.480 --> 00:28:03.920 And I think I think it can be it can be you know a little bit devastating when you're like, man, I've tried so much and I still feel like I haven't gotten that far. 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:05.920 But what you said, just just keep going. 00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:07.200 Take personal responsibility. 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:08.000 Exactly. 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:10.480 Yeah, I believe that I totally agree with you. 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:14.960 Well, a couple weeks ago I texted Nate, it was around 4 30. 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:19.839 I said, Hey, do you wanna do you wanna come to my house tonight? 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:22.160 He was like, I have groups. 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.319 I said, Well, come after the group. 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:29.119 Um and he did. 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:30.480 What time was that? 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:35.200 Oh man, uh, we probably got there like 8 30, 8 45. 00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:36.559 How great is that? 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.920 PM, guys, PM and it was amazing. 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:49.839 And we stayed there together, we ate together, we have we had good conversations, and they probably drove back home around 10:30, 11, 10. 00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:52.240 Community right there. 00:28:52.720 --> 00:29:00.559 Of course, it took him to drive 20 minutes away from from his house, out of his routine, after the group. 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.079 They were probably tired, but that's community. 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:09.519 It's uh I'll put that away. 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:14.799 And this is a new Christianity that's crazy to me. 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:23.440 We we we I think I believe we all want community, but we don't want sacrifice, and this is crazy. 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:26.160 Community demands sacrifice, yeah. 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.079 Actually, everything about Christianity demands sacrifice. 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:35.359 Um well, think about the fruits of the spirit, they're they're they're selfless, they're not selfish. 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:36.240 Exactly. 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:40.559 And so they're all they're all for outward expression, you know. 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:54.319 Like you you can experience joy, obviously, inwardly, but it's joy ha is going to by its nature, if it's true joy, manifest itself outwardly and it's gonna impact the people around you. 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:56.799 And so I think you're right, man. 00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.359 It's it's hard. 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:15.519 I mean, we always we always see the Instagrams of like selfies like hanging with my bestie, you know what I mean, and we think that's community, and and that's great, and there are times like that, but a lot of it's just sacrifice for sure, helping people move for sure, you know. 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:16.640 Yes, exactly. 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:24.079 Coming over to someone's house when when you don't really want to, but you you know that it's probably the right thing to do, exactly, or whatever, you know. 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:26.160 That's that's Christianity right there. 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:27.680 Everything we do. 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:35.119 Of course, we do out of love, we do out of passion, we do out of, you know, but it's it's sacrifice. 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:36.240 Yeah, it is. 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:42.880 I mean, the Bible uh encourages us to be generous, sacrifice right there. 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:49.839 Yeah, the Bible encourages encourages us to take care of people, sacrifice right there because you want to take care of yourself, and that's it. 00:30:49.920 --> 00:31:00.160 Yeah, the Bible encourages us to have time with God, with Bible, in worship and praise, sacrifice right there because you want to spend your time playing League of Legends or Counter-Strike or whatever. 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.160 So it's sacrifice all around. 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:04.240 That's that's the life you choose. 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:06.799 Um I don't know. 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:13.519 At some point, people just start thinking that Christianity is whatever, but uh it's a life of sacrifice. 00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.160 Um, and I think Jesus is the model, right? 00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:18.400 Sure, he sacrificed himself for us. 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.640 Yeah, so what we do right now, we sacri we sac we sacrifice ourselves. 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:33.519 Um, we go to a hospital to visit someone, we call someone that we are we don't know very well to give than a a word, I mean a word of encouragement. 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:39.920 We share the the money we have with people that don't have the same amount. 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:43.680 That sacrifice all around community is the same thing. 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:45.359 So yeah. 00:31:45.680 --> 00:32:06.960 Man, that what if uh what if America had a had a sacrificial nature, you know, where it was just about it's we all we always say these values, like you know, about loving your neighbor and stuff and being a good citizen and everything, but how much do we actually do it? 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:21.680 And I think a lot of the issues that we're experiencing now is because we're just all selfish and we all want we all want what we want, and that's kind of what you alluded to earlier with the two-party system. 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:29.200 One party wants one thing, another wants another, you know, and there's no or very little collaboration. 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:30.319 Exactly. 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:31.359 Exactly. 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.759 And I think it well, Americans, it's a great place. 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.319 Uh yeah, I'm not used to it. 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.559 I'm not I'm not bashing my home. 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:41.680 Oh, I'm sure. 00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:45.519 But I I used to be this guy 20 years ago. 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:51.279 Uh and I don't know why, but I used to be this guy who hated America. 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:56.640 Uh I'm not I'm not eating at McDonald's because this is America. 00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:58.880 This is, you know, the capitalism. 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.039 This is I used to be this guy. 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.000 Living here, this is a blessed nation, brother. 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:05.519 This is a great place. 00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:07.119 I love this nation. 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.920 Uh I love this place, I love people here. 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:14.160 But I do believe, and you are a Christian nation. 00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.279 At least you guys talk about this all around. 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:25.599 Uh in Brazil, if you go there and you ask about the United States, everybody will say, well, they always talk about themselves. 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:27.200 They are a Christian nation. 00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:38.559 And I believe you guys are, but uh there is way more that you guys could do as a nation to bless people all around. 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:57.519 Um as soon as we understand this concept of sacrifice, this concept of community, this concept of fruit of the spirit, basically everything we've been talking today, the world will be a different place. 00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:58.799 A different place. 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:11.760 When I'm here and uh sometimes I'm just living my best life here, and I think about my friends in Brazil that sometimes like they don't have what to they don't have anything to eat. 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.559 I always think about well, I have a responsibility. 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:23.840 I need to do something, I need to sacrifice something because I care, because they're brothers, because it's my community right there. 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.079 Uh so so yeah, yeah. 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:35.039 Where do you where do you see the church in in 10 years? 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.320 Do you see us what a great question? 00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:43.280 Do you see us getting closer to to that vision or ideal? 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:54.239