The New Millennium -or- Y2K took my baby away

Welcome back!

This week we're talking about the 2000's!

From horror movies to metal and little more, as always. Frost your tips, pop on your hit clips, it's time to go back to the 2000's.

Welcome to Mondo Bizarro, it's a weird world, someone's got to talk about it.

Music Credits:

Static X - Push It

Limp Bizkit - Rollin' (Air Raid Vehicle)

The Heretic Anthem - Slipknot

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hello everybody, it's Thick Neck. I wanted to come on before the intro, and the episode starts to explain something. Um so pulling back the curtain a little bit. Uh the long short of it, your boy fucked up. Uh so as you know, we record the week before it happens. As somebody pointed out to me, it's the South Park method. We record on a Friday, the episode that week releases on a Friday. So we're a week ahead, exactly one week. That being said, when shit goes awry, there's little to no chance that it can either be caught or be fixed in time for that episode. So we have to just say fuck it and let it ride. That being said, uh two weeks ago we had a computer issue. That computer had to be replaced. I got a new computer. Not a big deal. Except all day while I was doing my day job, I was trying to get this computer set up and I forgot to switch the mic from the onboard shitty webcam one to my really nice one. So the episode that you are listening to right now just got edited and uploaded yesterday, Thursday. I'm recording this after I just got done editing the entire fucking thing. And within the first 30 seconds, I realized, oh my God, I didn't switch that audio over. And so it sounds like I have called in on a cell phone, ironically enough, from the 2000s. So the audio quality on my end is not great. It really isn't. And in fact, I am I contemplated not releasing the episode and just saying, Mulligan, I fucked up. But I feel that the content speaks much louder than the shitty onboard microphone on this laptop. So please enjoy it. Please stick around. We're gonna play some great music. Well, in my opinion, it's great music. Um and we're gonna have a good time. It's a long one. I hope you enjoy it. Again, I'm so sorry for the shit audio quality. You can beat me up, tie my feet together, run me over. I don't care. I'm sorry. I will I will take my beating. But I appreciate you for sticking it out and listening still. I'm gonna do this in a one-shot because I am so tired and I don't want to fucking edit anymore. It's been 115 for like three days straight. I'm pretty sure I'm dying. Anyway, thank you all for listening. For real. Okay, I'm gonna play the intro now.

SPEAKER_11 3:24

For a thousand years, the Indians of the Great Northwest have talked legendary monsters called Bigfoot or Fatspot.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

Like these youngsters, thousands of others will be dressed in their favorite costumes on Halloween night. They will all be excited, but they must be careful when they go trigger treaty.

SPEAKER_03 5:27

Hello, Andrew. That's perfect. Today we have got something that is near and dear to our hearts, something we are so familiar with, something that we were a part of. And it's not a cult, thank God. That's an episode for another week. But today, we're we're hitting episode 10. We're in the double digits. Andrew just informed me ten weeks straight. And I'm proud of us for that. We deserve a raise. So today, we are gonna be talking about the 2000s, right? And because of the kind of podcast that we are, we're gonna be specializing in the horror and the heavy metal aspect of the 2000s. But this is the Y2K episode, baby. Get that purple see-through Game Boy color, put on the jinkos, let's put on some fucking corn, and let's let's just let's go nuts, man. I'm so pumped. I am so pumped, man. Uh for me, growing up in the 90s and having the most autonomy in the 2000s gives me a different sense of nostalgia. Like my mom, who was born in the 60s but uh lived in the 70s, all always hold the 90s in the highest regards as far as the peak of civilization. There is something about the first half of the 2000s that was unlike anything else, especially when it comes to metal and horror. Depending on who you ask, this was either peak years or the worst. Uh bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Mud Honey, they were losing favor, and little groups like Korn, Lincoln Park, and Static X, they were all gaining popularity. And bands like Slipknot weren't just concentrating the rage that was mounting from the end of the 90s and the shitstorm we were inheriting, but they were harnessing it, taking the anger that the previous generation had identified and turning it into something that has never been heard before. A massive cohesion of people, all backgrounds, all genders, and the only thing that mattered was feeling. I often look back at this time in my life, and I think that this is how it must have felt when people were listening to Vietnam protest songs in the 60s and 70s. Hearing Buffalo Springfield telling you for the first time there's something happening here, it would send chills down your spine. Being tapped into the neural network of millennials unveiled the same idea that there is or was something going on with us. Our first memories were those of 9-11 or wars or televide racism and persecution, and we weren't okay. The same or similar sensation began to wash over us, just like the decades before when our parents did. But instead of singing, we started screaming. We played heavy chugging guitars, sound effects, clips from movies, we had hip-hop beats and record scratches. We found something totally new and totally ours. It didn't just stop with a new metal, though. Our horror movies were getting I mean, they were getting out of hand. The amount of raw and visceral violence being shown matched the feeling of desensitization and overall malaise we were feeling. Movies like Hostel and Saul were showing that the most violent and gory movies would sell to an audience, even coining a nickname Goreporn. We were a generation that had unrestricted and unfettered access to the internet in some of its earliest days. We saw the worst there was and had no idea what we were doing. Not all movies were fucked up though. Movies like Thirteen Ghosts, Scary Movie, Ghost Ship, The House on Haunted Hill remake, honestly, a lot of Dark Castle movies in general. Some good, some most of them, not so good, but we watched them. It was crazy to get to see something that was so scary to us, so gross. And the nudity. Oh my god, the nudity. While not as gratuitous as the exploitation films of yesteryear, there was so much nudity, all boobs. If you had an R rating on your horror movie, you're gonna see some boobs. Later, it became a trend to release an unrated version on DVD after the after the theatrical run that would include scenes too graphic for the theater, which most of the time were just scenes that were going to live on the cutting room floor that found New Life as a feature on a home release. Then, of course, we have the two intersecting with huge movies like Freddie vs. Jason getting soundtracks featuring Hate Breed, Slipknot, Murder Dolls, and so many more. Queen of the Damn just straight up having Jonathan Davis as the singing voice of Lestat, as well as being where a lot of people first discovered Deft Tones, me being one of those people. We began to recontextualize genres, whether it was in metal or movies. We wanted a zombie movie, but we didn't want the same shambling, slow zombies. We had to do something new. Maybe they would run fast as hell. They were smarter, they worked together. It made sense to us. They had a common goal they wanted to feed. Or maybe they weren't zombies at all. But they are infected with a virus that only makes you feel rage. While some of these choices are polarizing, we were happy to see something fresh. We were happy to hear something new, something unique that broke away from the norm of the same things we were consuming in the past. Nearly all the media we were getting in the 2000s really wasn't ours. New stuff would come out, sure, but those albums were made by bands that had been around for 20 years at that point. Movies were on the fifth or sixth or even tenth sequel. That doesn't make it uh bad by any means. Uh Jason X was super fun. Scream three was okay. So when we were getting movies and music that was being crafted and seemingly handed right down to us, we felt like it was our time. Sure, this is the same era that gave us Metallica's load, reload, and sane anger, but you know what? I like those albums. And I felt like Metallica wasn't trying to keep playing to an aging audience like they had for the last 20 years. They wanted to do something new, fresh and creative. And that's the perfect place for me to kind of bring all of this to a close. The 2000s felt so much more creatively fresh. People were trying things that no one had done before. Pushing the boundaries of violence, gore, storytelling, special effects, music, mixing and mashing and combining all these decades of influence and experiences, throwing it all in a blender, tossing in some early childhood trauma and a country that was slowly descending into a new madness from the failure of a leader. And you get the 2000s alternative community. We listened to music loud, we watched movies that were disturbing. We weren't afraid to express ourselves outwardly, wearing trip pants and cradle of filth shirts. We painted our nails and wore eyeliner. We were the weird kids. And simply put, it was finally our time to shine.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

So on my end, I put together a list of movies from two thousand to roughly two thousand and five that kind of helped shape the way I feel about horror and the genre in general. And some of them aren't quite horror movies. They're in a similar vein, you could say. But they don't identify as horror movies. And some of them are so terrible, they're just fantastic.

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Beautiful.

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So I'll lead off with this. In the year 2000, we were introduced to a franchise that starred Vin Diesel in the form of a movie called Pitch Black. Oh, wow. Did that come out in 2000? Where we first were introduced to Richard B. Riddick.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

Wait, hold on. His name is Richard. Richard B. Riddick. So his name is Dick B. Riddick. That's unfortunate. It is.

SPEAKER_02 18:05

Not a horror movie, but but there is some crazy shit that goes down in that movie.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

I I would I would argue that that pitch black definitely. If you didn't want to call it a horror movie, I would say it's definitely an action movie with a lot of horror elements. For sure. That's a good movie. I didn't know it came out in 2000. I thought it was a a little newer than that.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

No, sure. That's it. There's a few on my list that I didn't realize came out as early as they did, and that was one of them.

SPEAKER_03 18:47

Man, that is uh Yeah, that both that I love the Chronicles of Riddick. I thought that was a great movie. Uh Escape from Butcher Bay, the Xbox game. Thought that was super fun, super realistic for the time.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

Now we're just waiting on them to finalize the series. There should be one more movie coming, but we don't know when.

SPEAKER_03 19:10

You know the cool thing is, is Vin Diesel has seemingly never aged. So I'm so on board. If they if they make another one, they make a TV show, whatever, I will absolutely watch it. I re- I remember Gotta remember watching Pitch Black on TNN. Maybe it had just switched over to Spike. But I remember watching it. I like it. I I'll have to see if I can find that on DVD. I haven't seen that in about 20 years.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

It's been a minute since I've seen that one. Because I actually recently w uh re-watched uh the latest movie in the franchise, Riddick. Uh fantastic movie. There was a third one? Yeah, so there's there's Pitch Black. Uh there is the animated film that does exist. I don't remember the name of it, but uh then there's the Chronicles of Riddick, and then there's Riddick, which takes place immediately following the Chronicles of Riddick. No shit. I had I had no idea. I've got something to watch now. Yeah. Fantastic. Fantastic, fantastic movie. It's a lot of fun. It's it's that same over-the-top ridiculous that we get from Vin Diesel, but with that sweet, sweet sci-fi touch.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

Love it. I like Vin Diesel. I I I enjoy his movies.

SPEAKER_11 20:44

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

I haven't I will always go back and watch Triple X because that is a staple.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

Well, that's see, that's another one. It's got it doesn't just have Rommstein on the soundtrack. It has Rommstein in the movie. Right? Like, how how do you beat that? That's you You don't.

SPEAKER_10 21:08

You don't.

SPEAKER_03 21:09

You you buy that shit on Blu-ray. I need to. Alright, what else we got?

SPEAKER_02 21:17

What else we got? So we've already made some mention of this one. You've already brought this one up, and we've made mention of this one before in previous episodes, but I want to go ahead and bring it up because it's a fantastic time, even if it even if the the true followers of the franchise may not care for this movie, and that's Jason X.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

Love Jason X.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

Love it. There's nothing wrong with let's take the immortal the immortal, unkillable revenge machine and make things worse.

SPEAKER_11 21:53

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 21:54

I plus I love that movie. Plus, this is the movie where. Beat a motherfucker with another motherfucker originated. We have an origin story.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

Dude, right. And I I remember I don't remember what episode, but I remember talking about that exact scene of him just beating the shit out of the campers in the sleeping bag.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

No, no, it's just a big thing.

SPEAKER_03 22:25

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

You said, yeah, and I said, no, it's Jason X. He went, oh wait. You're right.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

Oh man. Dude, that that movie is just so much fun. Like, it doesn't have to make sense. It's just fun. And it's there is a a big switch up from Friday the 13th to when they started using Jason. Like Jason goes to hell, Jason takes Manhattan, Jason X. It's a different vibe. They're they're not really trying to be scary at that point. They're just trying to be fun. And I'm sure there's reasons as to why that happened. But I don't care. I and I enjoy a complaint on it. Yeah, and and the design of uh Space Jason or or whatever you want to call him, future Jason. That's cool as shit. Yeah. Absolutely. What what else do we got? 2000. Oh my god. 2000. I remember seeing the the trailer for that on the sci-fi channel.

SPEAKER_11 23:44

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SPEAKER_03 23:50

Um I I remember I remember seeing that trailer uh on TV, and and it it was it was made to be like it was scarier than it actually was. And I distinctly remember the scene where the one of the guys on the ship gives Jason his machete and he goes, It's okay, guys. He just wanted his machete right before he gets fucking roasted. And I just remember going, oh my god, what the hell? And then and then eventually I I saw it probably after it came to video. Uh and I thought it was great. I I it wasn't a scary movie to me, it was entertaining, and it and it still is. Even when I watched it with my kids, they thought the same thing with Jason X just being really entertaining.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

I respect it, I respect it. So this next one. The next couple are all from 2001. Go ahead and lead off with that.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

Pre- or post September.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

I don't know. But this next one. We're gonna disregard some things about it because we all know. But that's 2001's Jeepers Creepers.

SPEAKER_03 25:37

I couldn't remember what year it came out, but I I knew it was the 2000s, and I knew it was the first half of the 2000s. And and Andrew kind of touched on it a little bit, which is a funny way of putting it, because the director of Jeepers Creepers is a convicted child molester. Um and and that sucks because the the Jeepers Creepers, I would say the first two uh are really solid movies, even with the the issues that they have. But full disclosure, the the director is a straight up kid diddler, and and it's unfortunate. There's a whole you just go to YouTube and you can get the all the information. There it's it's very well documented, and it's very fucked up. Absolutely is.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

You know, it's unfortunately not something we can change about it, but the movie in itself is an enjoyable time.

SPEAKER_03 26:59

Oh, absolutely. I mean, it it's creepy. The the the monster is is terrifying. Uh the the guy that plays the the creeper, I think is what they call him, is a super nice dude. Justin Long is in it. Um literally everybody involved in the movie is an amazing, great person who has never done anything wrong. The only person is the director. That's it. Like, and if if you if you are one of those people that have that morality of I can't watch this in good conscience because this happened, I completely understand. If you can get past that, it the first two movies are definitely worth watching. The first more so than the second. Uh, I I do know that there's a third one. I have not seen it. I don't give a shit. Like, it is I it's just uh it's a direct to to DVD, or I guess direct to streaming sequel.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

But I believe that one actually hit theaters.

SPEAKER_03 28:08

Did it really?

SPEAKER_02 28:08

That's definitely hit theaters. Oof. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that that one did go to theaters. Regardless. Regardless. 2001. Wild. I'm gonna I'm gonna cap off 2001 with one that I've brought up to you multiple times, one that you've mentioned to me you haven't seen, and I'm gonna continue to bring it up until you watch it.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

Oh, is it the one with uh hold on that's Paul Walker, um, not road trip. Uh hold on.

SPEAKER_04 28:50

Close.

SPEAKER_03 28:55

Because we we talked about this on Romancing the Bizarro. Yep. Um it's Paul Walker and Buffalo Bill, but you never see him. It's not Road Trip. That's you're very close. You're on the right track. I think Road Trip has got Tom Green in it, if I'm not mistaken. That sounds about right. I believe that. 100%. Man. Joyride.

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There you go. It's Joyride.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

You got it. Joyride. So uh my mom actually, I actually watched this movie with my mom when I was younger, and it was one of it was one of our favorites to watch, which is funny because my mom of all people uh does not do horror. She doesn't do scary. You can't even talk about that kind of stuff around her because it freaks her out. And so uh we actually, you know, in the same game, we actually got her to sit down and watch the first two Saw movies, surprisingly enough. And and she actually enjoyed she she thought the first one was fantastic, loved the first one. It is, and it's such a good movie, and it's like it got harder for her because of the whole she doesn't do well with the gore, and so but it it's a fond memory that I have of watching this movie with my mom and her being the one that introduced me to this movie. It's a fun movie, it's nonsensical, it's ridiculous, it's dark. It's also got Lily Sobieski in it.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

That name does not ring a bell.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

You ever seen Jungle to Jungle?

SPEAKER_11 30:46

Yes. She played the daughter. No shit.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

Uh-huh. Huh. Yep. When she was a kid, she looked eerily similar to Kirsten Dunst.

SPEAKER_03 30:59

Yeah. Yeah. You know who she looks like now? Helen Hunt. Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. Like, not and that's that's not a slam against either one of them. They're both some of uh Helen Hunt, especially is is one of the greatest actresses of all time. Like I love Helen Hunt.

SPEAKER_11 31:27

Love Helen Hunt.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

Um and I love Jody Foster, which I know it's it's kind of relevant to like the 2000s. No, 100% panic room. So, okay, funny enough, funny enough, Panic Room not only has Jodie Foster, but it has Kristen Stewart in it as well. Uh and Forrest Whitaker in it. I mean, the the the listen to this cast. Jody Foster, Kristen Stewart, Forrest Whitaker, Jared Leto, the country singer Dwight Yochum.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

That's what was the budget for this movie? Just the actors alone is 200 million. Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 32:12

And it was directed by David Fincher, which I didn't know. Music by Howard Shore. Uh the budget was 48 million, and it made 197 million.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

So there you go.

SPEAKER_03 32:25

Uh, and it was uh 2002, so it is uh relevant to the conversation.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

So Joyride's gonna cap off 2001. We're gonna jump into 2002 with what I would consider a straight to DVD cult classic, at least for me. It's it's a top 10 for myself and my wife. We've seen it multiple times. We don't know why we love it, we just love it, and that's cube two hypercube hypercube, yeah, baby.

SPEAKER_07 33:07

That movie is full, and I love it.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

It's so bad, but it's so much fun. It's such a fun movie. I love that movie, dude.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

The cube cube and cube two are just so fucking wild in the holy shit. That we're like one of three podcasts that have ever mentioned cube two, hypercube.

SPEAKER_02 33:37

I had to throw hypercube in the list. I've seen it at least ten times because anytime I was scrolling, you know, back when we had cable, anytime I was scrolling the channels and I saw it on, I'm watching that motherfucker because I'm like, yes, let's go. Maybe our favorite movie is on.

SPEAKER_07 33:58

It's Cube 2.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

It was one of those ones where we always stopped to watch it every time. Didn't matter where it was in the movie, it didn't matter if it was the last 10 minutes. We're stopping to watch the last 10 minutes of that motherfucker.

SPEAKER_03 34:11

That is that's fucking wild. I was not expecting cube two. We were ready for hypercube.

SPEAKER_04 34:17

No, dude.

SPEAKER_02 34:21

Well, let's let's keep that jovial feeling going and go right into the next one. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:27

Eight-legged freaks. Man, David Arquette. Yeah. That was a that movie freaked me the fuck out as a kid because there was animal deaths in it, and I don't fuck with that. I still don't. But but God, that was. And you know what, you know what other movie that makes me think of? And it may be on your list. Evolution.

SPEAKER_11 34:56

So evolution did not make the list. But it had David DeCovney in it. Evolution is an honorable mention. That's fair.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

But yeah, that would make a great double feature. Eight-legged freaks and oh hold on, is it eight-legged freaks or eight-legged freaks? I don't know.

SPEAKER_11 35:22

What part of the country are we from?

SPEAKER_02 35:25

I've always called it eight-legged freaks. Yeah. But I have to throw those two in there for the start of 2002 just because they're fun, they're enjoyable watches. It's, you know, there's some there's some really funny moments in 8-legged freaks. Oh, yeah. Uh there's some really funny moments. It it it's a it's a good one. But I want to talk about this next one because I have two movies from this director on my list.

SPEAKER_11 35:58

It better not be fucking Hooey Ball. And it is Paul W.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

S. Anderson.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:08

And the first movie of his from 2002 is going to be the live action Resident Evil with Mila Jovovich. God damn it.

SPEAKER_03 36:18

That's his wife. Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it 100 above the table. I'm gonna I'm gonna let you know. I'm gonna let all six people that listen to us know. I mother fucking hate the live-action Resident Evil movies. I fucking hate them. I cannot stand them. They make me so fucking mad. And it's not even because they're a shitty adaptation where they just will take a character's name and use that name because it's it's cool. But they every movie, and there's like fucking seven of them, they change what a person can or cannot do. There's one of them, one of the more recent ones, where Wesker is beating the shit out of Alice, which is Milajovovich's character, sticks her with something that makes her have no superpowers anymore, which is already a fucking thing. And they're in a huge, like, B-52 cargo looking plane in the air flying. He gets up out of the fucking cockpit and walks over and beats her ass and then goes, oh, and turns around as he realizes that the plane is now crashing. Even though he got up from piloting the fucking I hate these movies.

SPEAKER_02 38:08

I hate these movies. God, let me clarify. Let me clarify that I've only seen the first three. I'm sorry. And that's where I'll stop. I enjoy them. That's hey. I wasn't an early Resident Evil fan playing the games growing up. I know that you were. Yes. And I know that those games hold a special place in your heart. And I fully understand that and respect that. I only ever played Nemesis, and I didn't understand it, and I didn't understand what to do. And so I never got very far. And then the next Resident Evil I picked up, I didn't pick up Resident Evil again until Biohazard. That's uh Resident Evil 7. And so for me, I enjoyed the movies. I thought they were fun. Of course, I'm not coming at this like, oh my god, this is an Oscar-worthy fucking performance. These are the best movies of all time. No, I mean I'm fully aware that they're terrible, but in the same instance, it's something that I watched with my family. And it's another one that I watched with my mom because my mom and I are both uh we love Milajovovich. I will never not watch the Fifth Element, and you can come at me however you feel. The Fifth Element is one of the greatest movies of all time. I agree. And that is a hill I will die on. One of the greatest movies of all time. But enough about Resident Evil. I'm not here to piss off my co-host. I'm not here to ruin his evening. Let's go into the final movie I've got for 2002, and I know this will be one that you can talk about, and that's directed by Craig Baxley. That's 2002's Rose Red. Oh that was 2002? 2002.

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Kimberly J. Brown. Yeah, I know, right? Which is okay. So fucking funny. The other day, either my wife or one of my kids was watching it, and I'm walking through the living room, and I see Kimberly Brown, and I go, Hey, are you watching Halloween Town? And they're like, no, you fucking loser for watching Rose Red. I was like, damn it. And I completely forgot that that as a child, and I can't remember the year that uh that Halloween Town came out, but probably just shortly after maybe 2003 came.

SPEAKER_11 40:54

I want to say Halloween Town may have been earlier.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

I remember her seeming pretty young in Yeah, Halloween Town came out in 1998.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

Halloween Town came out four years before Rose Red did.

SPEAKER_03 41:14

That's wild. I don't know how the fuck. I've maybe my memory is just not as good as it used to be.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

I mean we are getting older.

SPEAKER_03 41:25

Allegedly. Um yeah, but man, dude, Rose Red is such a good mini-series. That it is so fucking good. That Storm of the Century, a lot of those Stephen King adaptations that came out um on television back then were really good. Um I would even say that like Dreamcatcher, which was a movie of a Stephen King adaptation, that was really good. Yeah, but I I definitely feel like Stephen King had a a bit of a renaissance in the early 2000s. 100% like there was there was some good shit coming out.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

100%.

SPEAKER_03 42:15

Or I at least shit that I liked.

SPEAKER_02 42:18

I mean, fair, fair.

SPEAKER_03 42:20

I mean, it's all subjective anyway, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I I think there's only been a couple things that have been adapted for film that Stephen King has ever actually liked. Um and I get it. It's completely different being the person who wrote the source material versus somebody who is just absorbing the material. So, you know, my my favorite uh Stephen King movie, it's a toss-up between uh Silver Bullet or Sleepwalkers, which a lot of people are probably going, what? Those are two of my favorite the okay, Sleepwalkers is I want to say 92, maybe 94, some somewhere around there. Um it a uh mother and son move to a town catches the eye of a daughter played by Mad Chinamique, who you would know best as Shelly from Twin Peaks, uh, or Betty's mom from Riverdale, uh, which is weird to say out loud. Um and um the actor that plays Otho from Beetlejuice is in it, as well as Toby Hooper from the writer of Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Um, and that's that's All I'm gonna say about it. I believe it's on Tubi or Pluto right now. Absolutely watch it. It is so much fun. It is a great movie. But Silver Bullet has uh Corey Haim as a uh 12-year-old, and this is middle of the 80s when this came out. It's like maybe between 84 and 86, somewhere around there. Corey Haim is maybe 12, 13 years old. Um and Gary Busey before he had his motorcycle crash. And Corey Haim plays a child who is disabled and in a wheelchair. And Gary Busey is his uncle. Gary Busey builds him a three-wheeled hot rod wheelchair called the Silver Bullet. And there may or may not be a serial killer in the town. And Corey Haim is going to figure it out in his new hot rod wheelchair. And I know what you're thinking. This thing is a full-on engine. Like this is a hundred percent engineered by drunk Uncle Busey. Un unsupervised 80s child adventure. Like it is such a good movie. I love this movie so much. Go and that that's that's all I'll tell you to go watch it.

SPEAKER_02 45:45

So I will go ahead and give you clarity on that as well. You have the dates correct for both of them.

SPEAKER_03 45:51

Do I fucking really?

SPEAKER_02 45:53

That was Walkers was 92. Uh Silver Bullet was 85.

SPEAKER_11 46:00

Let's fucking go.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

Well played, sir. Well played. This man knows his material, that's why I love him. He doesn't need a list like I do.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

You know what? I was taking a shot in the dark. I just I I think back to watching the movies, the way the film grain looks, the cars, the fashion, whatever songs were on the soundtrack. Um, and just hoping. I I'm not one of those data people that when I'm looking up movies, unless it's specifically needing the date, like if you search for Doom, right, you're gonna either find the game from the 90s or the game from 2015. So in that situation, I know it's 2015. I I've just, you know, I've just never really been that guy. Uh, I think it's super cool though, when with like the other podcasts that I listen and the videos I watch on YouTube where they're like, oh, this movie, this director, this year. I'm like, that's fucking awesome that you know it. And you know what? They probably have a list. I would really think that outside of a handful of movies, most people don't have the dates like that memorized. Um granted, like, and I've said it before and I'll say it again, I couldn't tell you when the Alamo happened, but I know when Sleepwalkers came out.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

So I feel like it's fairly useful knowledge, sir.

SPEAKER_03 47:44

Well, I mean, I just look, everybody is like, oh yeah, the Alamo happened, that happened. It it okay. You can you could you can go anywhere and find out anything about the Alamo. You can go to the literal Alamo and read the plaques of all the dates. But if you want to know what year sleepwalkers came out, the only thing you could do is either find a copy, which I think it's out of print, if it hasn't been recently uh reprinted, uh, or look it up on the internet. But what happens if you're in the middle of nowhere? What happens if we're in a gas station in between Barstow and Las Vegas, there's no cell phone reception, and there's a guy robbing the gas station, he's got a gun to the clerk's head, and he says, I will end this motherfucker's life if you don't tell me the year that Sleepwalkers came out. I'm gonna fucking slowly pop up between the chips and the energy drink aisle and say, It is your lucky fucking day. And I will stride up and I will look him down in the dead black ski mask wearing eyes and say 1992 At least that's the justification I have.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

So before we go any further, I think at this time we're gonna go ahead and take a little bit of a break. It's getting a little warm in here. We're gonna leave you with some killer tunes, and we'll be back in just a minute.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

I gotta pee.

SPEAKER_11 49:37

I'm leaving it in.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

100% I am. All right, partner. Keep on rolling, baby.

SPEAKER_08 49:45

You know what time it is, and we're back.

SPEAKER_02 53:19

We hope you enjoyed the tunes. Now I know in all our previous episodes we like to change it up in the second half. Well, guess what, ladies and gentlemen? Not today. The list continues because we've got things that we want to talk about for Y2K. So, without further ado, we're gonna jump right into 2003 with what I like to call the ultimate fan service. And that is Freddie versus Jason.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

Yeah. I I agree there 100%. Now I'm I'm gonna Jason. I did not watch Freddy versus Jason until 2018. I it was just not something I was really into watching. I wasn't a a Freddie fan. I just liked Jason. So I I didn't uh I didn't watch it until much later, and I thought it was okay. Um but what I did have was the soundtrack and holy shit. That soundtrack fucks so hard. There is it's like 17 tracks, uh typo negative, uh, Il Nino, hate breed, slipknot. Um I want to say Pantera maybe on that, but it may be another movie. I know Pantera was in like the first Broly movie, Dragon Ball Z movie.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

That tracks.

SPEAKER_03 55:12

Uh, and Deft Tones, too, I think. But anyway, the Freddy vs. Jason soundtrack is so good. Some of the songs are in the movie, most of them are not, but the soundtrack fucking rocks.

SPEAKER_02 55:26

I say that movie's ultimate fan service, because more or less we people weren't going to see that, to see you know, a Friday on Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street. I almost said Friday on Elm Street, and I was just like, you know what? That's that's what this movie should have been called. No, people weren't going to see either franchise. People were going to watch their two favorite horror icons, Do KIT the fuck out. And let's be honest here, The Rightful Man won.

SPEAKER_03 55:58

I agree. I agree. And and what was really crazy about Freddie versus Jason was that was supposed to spawn a whole I don't want to say a franchise, but have more than Freddie versus Jason. You were supposed to get a Ash from Evil Dead versus whoever movie, a Michael Myers versus whoever movie, Pinhead versus whoever. And it just Who's beating Pinhead? Uh I if you've watched the first four Hellraiser movies, you would know. And it's weird as fuck how it works. But but uh it was supposed to spawn a franchise where we were supposed to have more than one of these horror icon versus horror icon. Uh, and even then, Freddie versus Jason did not even start out as Freddie versus Jason. It was going to be two other horror icons. I believe Leatherface was one of them. I'd have to fact check all that and uh fuck it. We're doing it live. So that's just not gonna happen today. But it's a really cool what could have been um to think about, and it's so a product of the 2000s. I mean, oh yeah, from the soundtrack to the acting to the type of movie that it is, it's just so very 2000s. Even if you if you don't want to watch it, just go to YouTube and watch a trailer for it. It's so camp. I love it. Love it. It's an incredibly fun movie. There, it is not scary in the slightest. It is an action movie with horror icons in it. It is not a horror movie, uh, and that's fine. It it does not market itself like that, which again is good because I don't think it would really work that way. But what do I know? I we just are podcasters, we don't make movies yet.

SPEAKER_09 58:21

Yet.

SPEAKER_03 58:23

I'm looking at you, sci-fi.

SPEAKER_02 58:28

So my other mention for 2003, we've already touched on this, we're not gonna really go into it again, but my other mention for 2003 is Jeepers Creepers 2. Uh just because the movie itself, it's it's a fun watch. It's there's nonsensical kills. It's a horror movie. We've said what we've said.

SPEAKER_03 58:51

Ray Wise Ray Wise is in it, and he plays uh that's weird that this is the second Twin Peaks reference in the same episode. He plays Leland Palmer in Twin Peaks, um War's Dad. Uh, and he does a really great job in this. He does a great job in everything he does, and from insider sources, he also is a really nice guy. So if you're ever at a convention, Ray Wise is there, go holler at him.

SPEAKER_02 59:21

Moving on. 2004. 2004. A space odyssey. So my first movie for 2004 is my second Paul W.S. Anderson movie. Can you guess what it is? And no, it's not Resident Evil. Don't get angry.

SPEAKER_03 59:45

I was about to say, is it fucking Resident Evil? Two? It is not. It is not.

SPEAKER_02 59:54

I can give you a clue.

SPEAKER_03 59:56

Let you do a clue.

SPEAKER_02 59:57

We made a nod to this movie in episode seven. No.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:03

I I Which one was episode seven? Romancing the bizarro.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:17

I mean, I fucking edit the motherfucker and I can't even remember. Was it in uh hell no, I don't give up. Um, was it in the list of Smasher Pass? I'm trying to remember what the fuck I even put on that list. Oh, I forgot it as soon as I made it. Um did he do Alien vs. Predator?

SPEAKER_11 1:00:55

He absolutely did. Is it Alien vs.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:57

Predator? Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:05

So I watched this movie fairly young. I want to say I watched this right after it came out on uh on DVD. I love this movie. Oh, dude. Yeah. It's so and this is another one of those similar to Freddie vs. Jason kind of fan service videos, but at the same point, it hit for both genres or both uh franchises. Sorry. We're not gonna talk about the sequel, which was complete and utter doo-doo. Fuck it. We're not gonna bring that up. Requiem. Yeah, we don't we'll we're not gonna we're not gonna bring that up. But Alien vs. Predator was such a fun movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:48

It was, dude. Okay. I same thing. I watched it, I rented it from Hollywood video, and for those of you that live local to us, it was the Hollywood video off of Precinct Line and Bedford Euless Road. It's a pet food store now. But that was where I rented it from because I thought the Predator was cool. I thought Aliens were cool. Why not watch Alien versus Predator? I played the arcade game a lot. I thought that was super fun. Um the movie, and again, I it was it's just fun. It's just a it's just fun. It's not a good movie, it's not going to win any awards, it's not trying to, it's just fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:43

Absolutely. That's that's what it was there for. That movie was straight fan service and it fucking delivered.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:48

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:49

I can't believe I I was like, you put both of them in the same category and we immediately smashed. Yeah, yeah. And then we went on a on a on a side tangent about how the picture you had was of an action figure.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:04

Yes, I remember the fucking NECA ultimate.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:11

Moving on to 2004. I love this director. And it is a man by the name of Guillermo del Toro.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:23

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:25

Can you tell me what movie this is?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:27

Uh it's either gonna be Hellboy or Pan's Labyrinth. It is Hellboy. There we go. I couldn't remember.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:38

You're absolutely gonna include Hellboy in this list. Uh, another movie uh that I've watched with my mom. My mom was the one who introduced me to Hellboy. And uh shut up, Ma. You did a good job. Hell yeah. But I love this movie. I would I will argue though, I absolutely love the sequel as well.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:05

The Golden Army.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:09

Yeah, fantastic movie. Both of them great. Now, I have not seen the two remakes. I don't know if I really care to. I've heard it's not really worth it. You know all things aside Hellboy. Ron Pearlman. Yes. That's what I'm here for. So I want Ron Pearlman as Hellboy.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:30

That okay. There there have been two Hellboy reboots since the Del Toro Hellboy films. Right. Both of those kick ass. Del Toro and Pearlman understood the assignment. Those movies are fucking grate. I love them. The reboots are not good. You you when you think of a live-action Hellboy, you think of Del Toro's directing style, his art style, and you think of Ron Pearlman. I love, I think David Harbour played one of the Hellboys. That is correct.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:16

David Harbour was one of the Hellboys.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:18

And I love David Harbour. I think he is so funny and such a fun actor and super good looking. But he is just not Hellboy. Ron Pearlman is Hellboy. And if you like those movies, that's fine. I don't I'm not even saying that they're bad. I'm just saying that Del Toro and Pearlman, that's my Hellboy. The the version uh because I bought Sin. City and Hellboy at the same time, and Clerks all at the same time. And both won the lottery. Dude, no shit. Um, both uh Sin City and Hellboy came with the first volume of the graphic novel of the respective series. Um and so I watched Hellboy and I was like, dude, this is awesome. What's this book about? And I was like, oh fuck, this is a comic. And I read it and I was like, oh shit, this is great. Then I did the same thing for Sin City, and I was like, dude, this is awesome. And then I was like, dude, Frank Miller is so cool. I love Frank Miller. And then I read The Dark Knight Returns, and I was like, okay, Frank Miller is a fucking jackass. Um so I do not love Frank Miller, I love Sin City, uh, or at least I love a Dame to Kill for. Um I can't actually say that I like the rest of Sin City. I think it's okay. Um, but there's nothing else that Frank Miller has done that I think is is good. I'm not a Frank Miller fan by any stretch of the imagination. Um there's a lot of comic guys that I'm not a fan of. Um Frank Miller, probably in the top five of I would rather eat my own hand than have to read anything or look at anything. Uh his art is not my favorite. It's it's up there with like Rob Liefeld. If if anybody listening is a uh uh a comic book artist, uh aficionado, you're gonna you're either gonna go, man, he is so brave for expressing these opinions, or how dare you.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:14

But there is no in-between.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:16

Yeah, no, it's I I'm gonna get some flack for that, but you know what? That's what we're here for. I was born to catch trays, man.

SPEAKER_11 1:08:27

Mood.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:29

So Second and last for 2004.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:34

Directed by James Wan. But does this also include now, okay, hold on.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:47

Is it just James Wan, or is it uh I want to call him I don't I want to say Adam, but that is not his name. He directed the first one. He was producer for the two and three. Okay, so so it's definitely Saw. So it'd be Darren Lynn Balsman.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:12

It is Saw. 2004 Saw was was directed by James Wan. Juan. James Wan. Juan, I don't know how to pronounce it. It's three letters, sue me.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:23

You'll be hearing from my lawyer.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:26

Right? I've said a lot of what I've needed to say about the Saw franchise, so I'm not gonna overly gush on the Saw franchise, but y'all know why it's on the list. The the the first few movies in the Saw franchise are absolutely incredible. I've said it before and I say it again. I hold Saw 4 in a very high regard. Saw 4 is incredible. Saw one set the stage, obviously, but it was so good for its time and what it did. It it was captivating, it was incredible. And it's overall just a good watch. Kept you on the edge of your seat.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:11

I agree, I agree. I'm I love I love the Saw franchise. I and I I'm not I have never been a person that is afraid to say that they are a fan. Like, I there I don't I don't believe in the whole like oh I've got uh a uh what is they what the fuck do they call it? A guilty interest. Um guilty pleasure, guilty pleasure. I'm not a guilty pleasure dude, I just fucking like shit. I I I love Saw. It's so good. Tobin Bell, so good. Like the Saw movies are good. Like, I love them. Uh but like dude, fuck, I don't give a shit. Miley Cyrus, I fucking love her music, dude. I love it. I am not I am not joking, I am not bullshitting, I am I I love Pink Panthers, I love Miley Cyrus, I love Lana Del Rey, uh Kylie Minogue? Doja Cat. Um Kylie Minogue? Of course. Well, let me okay. I I like Kylie Minogue's singles. I don't, I'm not a deep dive into her, but I love Madonna. I listen to a fuckload of Madonna. And I know everybody's like, oh, what the fuck? These this dude's a hardcore horror metal motherfucker. Yeah, I am, dude. I'll fucking sit here and I'll listen to Bolt Thrower and Chainsword and Exodus and Testament and Lorna Shore, and then I'm going to fucking listen to illegal. I'm gonna listen to Charlie XCX. You know why? Because I like shit. I'm not gonna limit myself because I'm supposed to fit into a fucking typecast.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:17

I'm an individual. Like we I'm gonna cap this one off with saying Madonna is metal as fuck. Come at me if you think I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:30

I'll you know what? I'll I'll say this. When Dimebag Daryl was killed, that next day Madonna was playing a show and she played a guitar tribute to Dimebag Daryl. So I I don't give a shit if people think that certain things are or are not metal, that's that's fine. Like it's all a matter of perspective. If you wanted to write a heavy song about my little pony friendship is magic, you absolutely could. You could do a slam version of My Little Pony, and that's that's metal. It is it is categorically correct. But Tori Amos has a cover of Raining Blood that I will say all day is still metal as fuck, and probably a little bit better than the original. I'm just saying, it it just depends on what you like. I fucking I love Tori Amos, I love uh Alanis Morissette. I love Sarah McLaughlin, I love Fiona Apple has a new song out, and it's so good. It's so good. If you haven't listened to it, go pause the pause podcast, go listen to Fiona Apple's new song, come back. You're welcome. It's so good, it's so good. I I just I like I like stuff. Why am I gonna limit my wild to like stuff? I don't look exactly we're here for a limited amount of time.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:15

If I spent it going, if it's not fucking heavy as shit, I don't want to fucking listen to it, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:25

Like, okay, that's fine, but you sound like the same person that's like, I don't eat vegetables, very yup.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:36

They made this same stance on a hill in the movie Airheads, just throwing that out there. Uh dude, right. They made this same stance. I love that movie. But regardless, the final movie I've picked for 2004, directed by Edgar Wright, and that's I wanna say it was our first introduction to the Simon Pegg and Nick Frost buddy comedies. And that's Sean of the Dead. Yep, yep. Gotta have Sean of the Dead on the list. Absolutely fantastic movie. Oh just all kinds of fun and nonsense to be had.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:19

That and Hot Fuzz both are so fucking good. Uh World's End, or whatever the last one is, of the Coronetto trilogy, which is something that Edgar Wright did not even come up with. The press ended up coining that. Um is dude, Shawn of the Dead is one of the funniest movies I have ever seen. Um, and I I I remember the trailer whenever I was a kid, a teenager technically, um, but never watched it. It it just never was something that came across my purview. Um, but as an adult, my wife and I were on vacation somewhere and we were flipping around on the hotel TV, and Sean of the Dead was on, like uh about 30 minutes in, and she was like, Oh, oh, leave it here. This is a great movie. I was like, dude, I've never seen this. And she was like, You are fucking kidding me. So after we got home, we rented it and watched it, and I loved it. I thought it was so fucking funny. It's so absurd and over the top and silly, and it's just very unapologetically British, and I love that. I grew up watching a lot of British comedy, Black Adder, Are You Being Served, keeping up appearances open all hours, Monty Python. So I love British comedy.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:01

I love British shit in general, but and now we're going into 2005. Oh fuck. And we're gonna lead off with Neil Marshall's The Descent. Fuck you, Andrew.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:19

I hate that fucking movie. I have never, I have finished that movie, but I have never finished it in one sitting.

SPEAKER_11 1:17:31

Oof.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:31

I dude, there is nothing in that movie that does not freak me out. It is so fucking scary to me. Holy shit. Tight spaces. Tight spaces, the creepiest monster design, backstabbing motherfuckers. Like, no, absolutely not. Fuck no. I will go into like a cave, I will walk into a cave, but I'm not gonna fucking go spelunking. Hell no. That is nothing but a fucking lie. I am sweating from anxiety right now. Both are you sure it's not the Texas heat? Both my kids have seen it and are like, yeah, this is a great movie. We loved it. I'm like, what the fuck, you little psychopaths? What the fuck? No, fuck that, dude. It look, if it's it's got monsters, it's got caves, it's got a fantastic uh cast of women uh that are acting their asses off, and it is literally the only movie that I will not watch. I would rather watch like inside or high tension over the descent. I I can handle uh unadulterated violence. I cannot fucking do I can do caves, I can't do splunking. I can't, I cannot, I will not, absolutely no.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:08

I I learned something today, but I apologize for triggering you, my friend.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:14

No, dude. It the movie's a nine out of ten, easy, like the descent is is a fan fucking tastic movie, but I am gonna have to fucking take something.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:27

Well, well, I you know what? I have just the pill for you in my next pick for 2005, directed by Rob Zombie himself, the Devil's Rejects.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:40

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I would say that that is Rob Zombie is probably one of the most divisive directors of the 2000s, between House of a Thousand Corpses, Devil's Rejects, Halloween One and Two, and then later uh uh well El Super Beast O and then Lords of Salem. People either love him or hate him.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:16

So there's no in between.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:18

I am a lover. I love Rob Zombie's movies. I love that he just does his own thing. Um, I I don't I'm not a big fan of uh 31. I th I just thought that was okay. I could see how it's probably a lot of other people's cup of tea, just not something for me. Um but the Devil's Rejects was so fucking good. I remember the trailers for it. I remember buying the house House of a Thousand Corpses and the Devil's Rejects on DVD from Walmart in Indiana. Um and you know what? The same the same time I bought Sin City Hellboy Clerks, I also bought Metallica's Black album and then House and Devil's Rejects. That was all in the same three-month time period.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:28

Uh that was a haul and it's a beautiful one.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:33

So that was a I dude, god damn, I love the movie. And and the reason, the reason why I love that movie is not because it's like well, just it's super violent, but the movie just introduced me to so many actors and actresses that my generation would not have known who they were if not for Between House and Devil's Rejects. Like you've got Sid Haig, Bill Mosley, William Forsythe, Ken Foray, Danny Trejo, Brian Posen, E. G. Daly, PJ Soles, Michael Berryman, uh, who house a thousand corpses. I mean, there is uh The Hills Have Eyes, he's in a bunch of shit. Diamond Dallas Page is in the movie. Um, Daniel Roebuck, and a lot of these people are then further players, much like how Tarantino brings the same group back for everything. You get to see these people can get in in more of his films, and I and I love that personally. I I think that's one of the things that makes it so charming, and of course, Sherry Moon zombie is baby. Um and and and people it Rob Zombie's films are divisive, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:14

They are.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:14

They you there's just not an in-between. You either love them or you hate them, and I'd say most people hate him.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:24

Um I I've that's what I've gathered from reading and seeing things on the internet is a lot of people hate what he does, and I'm like, but why? Because it it's not Friday the 13th, because it's not nightmare on Elm Street, because it's something new and unique. Why? Because he's a musician.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:45

You know, I I the first time I remember watching both of these, I kept thinking to myself, okay, when am I gonna see Rob Zombie? Like, when is he gonna be in it? And he's not. He may do like a voiceover something, but he's not in it. Like he is he is making movies because he loves movies, he loves camp and schlock and grindhouse, he loves those types of movies, and I get it. That's what he grew up loving. I I am not from the same generation as Rob Zombie. So it is a generational difference there, but by watching the movies that he made that he poured a lot of love into, I'm now introduced to all of these actors and actresses that I'm like, oh, okay, let me let me see what else Bill Mosley is in. Let me see what else Sid Haig is in. Let me see what else PJ Souls is in. And and I could tell you, I can tell you rock and roll high school, I can tell you Spider Baby, I can tell you Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part 2, which is my favorite Texas Chainsaw movie. It it's one of my favorite movies of all time. And man, I and I hate to even say it like this, but Rob Zombie in all of his movies hires uh actors continuously. And most of them have not done anything since the eighties or early nineties. You know, and like I not not and I I'm not there's not a nice way of saying that, and it's not even that it's a rude thing to say, but Rob could have taken the money that he had for this movie and hired a A-list hot current actor, but instead he went with people that understood his vision. And and I love that. Like Rob Zombie has artistic integrity, absolutely, and there is an authenticity to what he is making, and that's what I like. Even even if it's not objectively a good movie, if there's plot holes, if it doesn't fall, what whatever, that's fine. I can sit back and I can watch these and go, man, I enjoyed this because this it's like the difference between having a hamburger from Dairy Queen, which is perfectly edible, or go into somebody's backyard barbecue. Like it's the same meal, right? They're both hamburgers, but one was made by a person who wanted to make something for you to enjoy, and not making something because they're obligated to. Just my two cents.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:53

I was gonna say one of them was made because they wanted to, made from a place of love. The other was pulled out of a double boiler warming pan from a pile of disc-shaped meat that may or may not necessarily be edible.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:09

One was made with love, the other is fucking dairy queen.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:16

I got two more mentions for 2005. Oh, yeah, and then we'll go into honorable mentions after that. One of the 2005s will be short. We've already touched on this multiple times, and that's Yes, Darren Lynn Bowsman. Is that what we need to say about Saw? Bowsman knows what he's doing. Let me Balsman knew what he was doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:37

I I have got a super wholesome story about Darren Lynn Bowsman. So so let me we'll just say this real quick. Saw two, fucking awesome. That is such a good movie. It is. I like the fact that it's not the same as the first because that would have been boring. I like how they did. It's everything. And I and we're saying that very vaguely because there's a lot to unpack. If you still haven't seen Saw 2 and it's now old enough to drink and smoke and all that fun stuff. That being said, um 2019, 2018, uh my family and I go to Texas Fright Mayor Weekend. It's the first time my son is going. He is eight years old, eight or nine years old. And we're running around. He meets all the actors that have played Jason. They all thought he was so charming. They gave him signed pictures because he he I told him if he wanted to go to this, we're gonna have to watch some horror movies so you you know what we're going into. So we started with creep show, and he loved it. And I was like, okay, cool. We'll watch the Friday the 13th movie as I covered his eyes when there was nudity. Other than that, he loved it, thought it was great. He wanted to get a Jason mask. He was so super, super into it, still is. Now we're at Texas Frightmare weekend. He's met all the Jasons. He thought they were all super cool. This is great. He's loving it, having a great time. He met Tom Savini. Tom sat down and was talking to him for like 30 minutes about the special effects that he did and creep show. And he just thought that was so cool. And eventually, you know, kid's eight or nine years old, he needs to use the bathroom. Not a big deal. So I take his hand. We're walking through this super crowded place. I'm a big dude. I'm closer to six foot, I found out today. Um, and uh then I was every bit of like 300 to 350 pounds. So uh just brick shit house moving rather quickly because I've got an eight-year-old that needs to pee. And I just fucking I hip check a dude just straight down to the ground. And I am like, oh fuck, I am so sorry. I help him up and I'm like, I'm so sorry. Are you okay? Do you need anything? And he was like, oh no, no, it's okay, it's super, super crowded, super busy. Uh, you're you're a-okay, man. Uh, thank you for helping me up, just really nice guy. And that's when I realized that I just threw Darren Balsman to the fucking ground on complete accident, just straight to the ground. And and then at that point I feel even worse because I'm like, great. In the next movie he makes, there's gonna be this fat jackass who gets fucking cut in half and then served up. Great. But he was just the sweetest dude. We talked for a while, and he had a Billy puppet at his booth, and he was talking to my son about um how the puppet was made and the movies that he made. He was showing them the stills that he had from repo and saw two and three. And uh my son was like, Oh, I really want to see see your movie. And he was laughing, and he was like, You're a little too young for Saw. He's like, But what I'll do, and he takes a picture and he autographs it to my son, puts his name in it, and he's like, Keep up your love of horror. He writes that on the it's and it's the poster for Saw 2, and he gives it to him, and he says, When you he's like, when when your dad says it's okay and you watch Saw 2, have your your dad will give you this, like he's you know, and I was so blown away by how kind and understanding, and how instead of being like, okay, you know, little kid asking a bunch of questions, whatever, you're not buying anything, you have nothing to give to me. Fuck off. He wanted to nurture my son's love of horror, and that was what meant more to him than anything else. And so now my son is gonna be 15, and he has he saw Repo the Genetic Opera with um my daughter and one of their friends, and absolutely loved it, and I reminded him of that story, and he was like, Oh my god, I cannot believe that you did that to him, you asshole. And uh, and and I I gave him the Saw 2 picture uh autograph, and he's he's got that, he's seen Saw one through three or one through four, um, and absolutely loves him. Kid is still a horror hound, and I I definitely owe that to introducing him to the movies that I did at the age he was, and Tom Savini, the various actors that have played Jason, and Darren Bowsman. So if for some reason in if the if the the gods are in our favor, and Mr. Bowsman or Mr. Savini or any of the gentlemen that have played uh Jason are listening to this for some reason, I am so grateful and so thankful for all the things that you have created over the years, and so is my son, and you all have helped nurture a very good relationship between him and I over our mutual love of horror.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:19

I love that story. I'm glad you got an opportunity to tell it because I remember when you told me that story for the first time, and I was like, that's fucking great.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:27

Right? And that's and I was like, back when that happened, I was like, okay, Andrew's gonna love this because he's like, ha ha ha! You're gonna die in a saw trap, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:41

Yeah, pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:42

But I I love that story, I absolutely love that story. But reeling it back in, our final movie of 2005, and I just could not leave this out of the list. Regarded by the Mondo Bizarro Podcast as the greatest movie of all time. Yep, we have Doom. I knew it. I had to include Doom. I know everybody basically shits on this movie and hates it, and I love this movie. It's such a fun time. You're not going to it to see the Doom Slayer, you're going to it to see Carl Irvine do some dumb shit in an action movie. Let's go.

SPEAKER_11 1:35:30

Doom is the greatest movie of all time.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:33

It is perfect in every way. It is no man. So that that movie came out um right around Doom 3, which was a really big thing uh for for video game players. Um that was the first 3D, truly 3D Doom. It was for the current generation of consoles and PC. Well, console being the Xbox and PC, it didn't come out on anything else. Um, but it was such a good time to be a Doom fan. I mean, the Doom Doom 3 is truly a fantastic game. It's on Game Pass for I know that for a fact. If not, you can probably get it on Steam for next to nothing. And it is really good. The game looks good, it plays good. Um, I think they've changed it in more recent re-releases where the flashlight and the gun cannot be out at the same time. You have to alternate between them, uh, which I thought was a fantastic thing because it makes it scary. Uh, and it's hard to make a game scary when you have a gun uh that is literally called the big fucking gun, like or bioforce gun, whatever kind of bullshit. No, it's the big fucking gun. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:08

Stand on that fucking hill.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:09

Uh, but dude, it's it is it Doom 3 is so good. And so to kind of uh capitalize on the popularity of this game, the a Doom movie came out with The Rock. Um, and and and Carl Urban, who is a fantastic actor. Uh love Carl Urban. And the Doom movie uh was absolute dog shit. It was horrible. Um it it had so much potential, and you can definitely see that they were trying, but it it really is just a it is a shit movie, but you know what? You are gonna have so much fun watching it, especially if you are a fan of Doom or a fan of video games in general. Have a few friends come over, have a couple drinks if you're into that, have a couple um herb supplements if you're into that. Um pop it on and just see where the night takes you. Because it's it's an event, it's interesting. It's it is non-stop bullshit from the second you hit play. Who's the director on that?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:29

Andersed Bart Kawiak. Bart Kawiak? We'll take it. A-N-D-E-R-Z-E-J Bart Kawiak.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:42

Well, he sure knows how to make a camera work. So thank you if you're listening. I know, like you shit, like it craptastic movies, you know what I mean? You not everything is gonna be a banger. And I love the Doom movie. When I was a kid, I was like, what the fuck was that? And as an adult, I'm like, what the fuck was that? But it was it's I'm still laughing, I'm still cheering. It's um it's like a popcorn movie, you know what I mean? You're you're just shoveling popcorn in your face, you're laughing, you're joking, you're having a good time. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You're absolutely you're not it's look, not you're not it's of course a Doom movie is never gonna be Schindler's List. You know what I'm saying? Like uh The Devil's Rejex is never gonna be the boy in the striped pajamas. Like, these movies are not made to do that, they're a completely different thing. Both of those other films have a place and they absolutely should exist, and they do, and they're fantastic if you haven't seen them, but they're it they're two totally different things, and I think people would have a lot more fun if they would stop looking for shit like that in the 2005 Doom movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:20

Well said, my friend, well said. So I tapped off the list at 2005. Okay, I do have an honorable mention I would like to bring up that was just outside of the time frame that I wanted to put in. Directed by the one and only Guillermo del Toro. We have 2006's Pan's Labyrinth. Okay. And I enjoyed this movie. This movie was such a good watch. I love his art style, I love his storytelling, I love what he does with his movies because it's unique, it's different. The entire movie is in Spanish. The entire movie is in Spanish. I don't speak a lick of Spanish. Did that ruin the experience for me? Absolutely not. I was still able to fully enjoy this movie, and I I love this movie. It's such a fun watch.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:26

It absolutely is. And Pan's Labyrinth is it it is horrifying, it is horrifying for a completely different reason, as well as all the standard reasons, and it is beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:42

Yeah, and I'm gonna give the shout out to uh Del Toro here for practical effects. There's no CGI, there's no none of this. It's all people in costumes and physical things being shown outside of the things that they just physically cannot do with a person in a costume.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:04

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:07

But I had to give my honorable mention to Pan's Labyrinth because it was just outside of that window, and it was one I did want to bring up.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:15

Definitely excellent choice.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:22

Outside of that, do you got anything else, my friend?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:25

Man, you know, we really did cover a good amount of of some heavy hitters, some not so heavy hitters. But shout out Doom movie. Um but yeah, I mean the the 2000s just had so much going on. Early, way earlier in the episode, I mentioned the Dark Castle movies. Those are the the 13 ghosts, the House on Haunted Hill remake, ghost ship, um, which uh are beloved by many. Um me included. I 13 Ghosts is one of my favorite movies of all time. Matthew Lillard, I love that man. Oh my god, I love him. And you can interpret that any way you want, and the answer is yes. But there's just so much. There's and and really, I knew when we sat down and were talking about what to talk about that trying to undertake the 2000s was going to be an incredibly difficult um task. A not not necessarily difficult, that's that's the wrong word. A Herculean task. This is this has got some heavy lifting because there's a lot of info. There's a lot of stuff that came out. We barely scratched the surface of music. We uh we mentioned corn, static X, Hate Breed, Slipknot, um and the list goes on. Cole Chamber, Devil Driver, Papa Roach. Um Do you know what the beauty of having a podcast is, my friend? We can do a part two, motherfucker! You're damn right we can. And that is what we will be doing later in the future. We will be picking up Y2K, the 2000s, again from 2006 to 2010. That way you're not sitting here for multiple hours when we can't handle ourselves for that long. What makes us think that you could? So with that, we're gonna wrap up this episode and anything with the 2000s, like I said, we're gonna do a part two later, but right now we're gonna bring we're gonna reel this back in and and start our descent back to earth. So before we get going, we are currently voting for what watch and react movie we're gonna do. We hit a hundred listens on the podcast, and I we're way past that now. Um in just the week that it's been, and we are both so insanely thankful because this the reality of what this is, Andrew and I are we're just best friends. We're we're homies, we love each other, we have a secret handshake, you can't know how it's done. And we are we literally would be sitting and talking anyway. We decided to get a couple microphones and record it and uh uh chop this all together, throw some music in and pump it up online, and for some reason, and I truly, I truly do not get it, people want to hear it. And I'm thankful. I am so thankful. If I could, if this could be our full-time job, it would. And I would love that. Yeah, and we have big plans for for Mondo. We we eventually want to get to a position where we can record together in person and be able to do video. And because we both talk with our hands. I'm doing it right now. I'm voguing. Yep, like can confirm, can't confirm. And we what you know, just uh just a way to be able to give back is to say, hey, you know what? Let's put ourselves through some mental anguish for your entertainment. So to commemorate that 100 downloads, 100 listens. We are going to watch Terrifier or Faces of Death. And right now on our Facebook page, and you can just Mondobizarro Podcast, it's also linked through Instagram, Mondo Bizarro underscore podcast. You go and the and it's very simple. They took away the vote option, or I at least I don't know how to do it because I'm bad at social media. Sorry. Um, if you'll see the post, it's a the movie posters for terrifier and faces of death. If you like that post, that is a vote for Faces of Death. If you love that post, it is a vote for Terrifier. Now, the reason why this is important is because Andrew does not want to watch Terrifier, and I do not want to watch Faces of Death. So, whichever one of us you want to punish is how you're gonna vote. If that's what you want to do. Um, I will I will pin that so it'll be easier to find. Right now, I will tell you, as of it's the 17th of July, Faces of Death is winning um like 7 to 0. So fuck y'all. What the hell?

SPEAKER_02 1:48:36

I don't know what the fuck I did, but they don't want to they don't want to subject Andrew to being cut in half a long time. Yeah, I realize that's going too far. They did.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:47

Okay. So that's what's going on. We as of right now, there's no way for us to be able to um show the movie live while we're reacting to it, um, so you all can watch along with us. So we definitely will be recording our reactions. I'm still working out the logistics of what's the most fun I can generate for you all. So we'll figure that out. We've got plenty of time. We're gonna run it for a month, we're gonna do 30 days, and once that is up, whoever has the highest votes is what we will watch. Um and I'm excited either way. I really don't want to watch Faces of Death, but I'll do it because I love ya. So before we go, Andrew, do you have any advice for our listeners?

SPEAKER_02 1:49:51

Yeah. Yeah. If you're on a bus with a group of people in the middle of the night.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:17

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unknown 1:51:24

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SPEAKER_07 1:51:30

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