Episode 1: Keith Bulluck

On Episode 1 of The Rudy Be Good Show, Rudy sits down with former NFL Pro Bowler, and Tennessee Titans legend Keith Bulluck for an conversation that goes way beyond football. What starts as two old friends catching up quickly turns into a deep dive into life after the NFL, fatherhood, business, fitness, personal growth, and the realities of transitioning from professional sports into everyday life.

This episode is packed with laughs, real-life stories, motivation, nostalgia, sports talk, parenting moments, business advice, and behind-the-scenes insight into life during and after professional football. — this is the perfect introduction to The Rudy Be Good Show. 

Chapters — The Rudy Be Good Show Ep. 1 with Keith Bulluck

00:00 — Welcome to Episode 1
 Rudy introduces Keith Bulluck as the very first guest.

01:00 — Life After the NFL & Staying in Shape
 Keith talks about retirement life, workouts, cardio, yoga-style training, and staying lean after football.

04:00 — Peptides, Biohacking & Getting Older
 Rudy and Keith discuss peptides, recovery, CrossFit injuries, aging, and trying to stay healthy.

07:00 — The “Girl Dad” Volleyball 
 Travel volleyball tournaments, crazy sports parents, cheering dads, and life as volleyball dads.

11:00 — Parenting & Sideline Stories
 The stress of youth sports, embarrassing moments, and emotionally surviving tournaments.

13:00 — Why Keith Chose Football 
 Keith explains how basketball and baseball shaped him before realizing football was his path.

17:00 — Foster Care & Growing Up
 Keith opens up about foster care, living with the Welch family, and how sports changed his life.

21:00 — College Recruitment & Choosing Syracuse University
 Keith shares recruitment stories involving Michigan, Virginia, Clemson, Nebraska, and Syracuse.

24:00 — College Memories & Dinosaur Barbecue
 Funny stories about Syracuse, road trips, and legendary food spots.

25:30 — Rudy’s University of Arizona Experience
 Rudy talks about choosing Arizona, warm weather, college life, and Mount Lemmon.

27:30 — NFL Training Camps & Arizona Summers
 Keith shares offseason training stories with NFL players in Arizona and Vegas.

30:00 — ACL Injury & The Business of the NFL
 Keith talks about tearing his ACL, rehab, free agency, and the harsh realities of NFL business.

33:00 — Playing for the New York Giants
 Keith reflects on finishing his career with the Giants and why he retired as a Titan.

37:00 — NFL Retirement & Life After Football
 Transitioning away from football, SiriusXM radio, and figuring out what comes next.

40:00 — First NFL Paycheck 
 Keith shares his first big purchase after signing in the NFL.

44:00 — The Titans Rebrand 
 Discussion about the future of the Tennessee Titans and Nashville’s growth.

47:00 — Business Ventures & Entrepreneurship
 Coffee shops, airport concessions, wine bars, and learning operations management.

49:00 — Financial Literacy for Athletes
 Why Keith got his MBA and the importance of understanding business and investments.

53:00 — MBA Program & Athlete Business Education
 Inside the executive MBA program for athletes and entertainers.

58:00 — Nashville Culture 
 Country music, celebrity-owned bars, nightlife, and Nashville’s transformation.

1:03:00 — Nashville Tourism 
 Bachelor parties, cowboy boots, and the wild Broadway scene in Nashville.

1:05:00 — Business & Moving to Nashville
 Why so many people relocated there.

1:08:00 — Closing Thoughts & Real Talk
 Keith reflects on life, growth, business, and the journey after football. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:16

Welcome to episode number one, Keith Bullock. Episode number one. You're my first. You're popping my ferry.

SPEAKER_00 0:27

Well, you know what? I'm obliged. You know, number one. You say number one, it takes me back to high school football. That's that's when I award number one.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

That's right. That's right. And we've known each other for a very long time, way before high school.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 0:44

Don't don't say how long we've known each other. We don't need to tell people how long we've been.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

We're not trying to date ourselves. Like in the sense of how, you know, age-wise, you know. I already popped your cherry. I don't want people to think I was doing anything else.

SPEAKER_03 0:59

No, no, no, no. But I mean, you're you're looking good.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Hey man, you're looking great, man. I'm trying to, man. At this, you know, at this space in life, uh, health is wealth, you know. Um, we're in the same boat. I got three girls. You have four.

SPEAKER_04 1:15

Four.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Yeah. Four.

SPEAKER_04 1:17

Um girl dads.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Yeah, I mean, look, and it wasn't it wasn't set out to be a girl dad. It just happened that way. I don't even think it was coined a phrase girl dad um when we started having our kids. You know, we're just some because our kids are relatively the same age, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:35

Yeah, that that's weird how that how that turned out.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Exactly. But um, yeah, girl dads for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

Yeah, girl dads for uh before we get into some girl dad stuff, right? Because I want to I have some questions for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

But like now, like now you've been out of the league for like how long now?

SPEAKER_00 1:53

It's it's it's a like 15 years.

SPEAKER_03 1:56

Fifteen years. It's been a minute.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Yeah, it has. It's been uh yeah, so what are you what are you doing? I've been retired longer than I played at this point.

SPEAKER_03 2:06

That that's crazy. But like what are you like are you still working out? Like what's your routine?

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Yeah, man, uh definitely I still work out. Um, you know, I have a coffee shop that I manage and operate um here, and right now I'm doing a little, I'm doing a lot of um in-store managing operating. I'm actually uh taking on shifts because I'm getting in a point or where I just want to sell it. I've been doing it for five years, so it's getting about that time. But yeah, I've try to do like three times a week. There's this class I take over here at Lifetime, um Warrior Scope, so it's like mixes um, you know, cardio with some I guess it's yoga movement, but it's like non-stop movement. So I like the kind of pace of that. I don't do any cardio, I don't run. When I retired, I road bike. I used to road bike, you know, hit about like twenty miles or so, but it's hard. I'm lean naturally. So um, you know, I get all skinny looking like uh, you know, frail and shit. So I kind of just like to, you know, get my cardio through the gym and um I superset a lot, so that keeps my heart rate up.

SPEAKER_03 3:20

I mean that's good that you're lean because I see some guys that retired and they're you know, they just they let it go.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

Yeah, man. You know what? Well, you know, I was always like a skinny kid, but then like um when I got to college at Syracuse, it was about like my sophomore year when they moved me to linebacker and I was like 210, 12 pounds, and um, you know, these offensive linemen were literally like picking me up and shit. You know what I'm saying? So uh I had to get on some creatine, and um I really put on like uh 10 to 15 pounds. I remember my junior year, I got up to 225 and about yeah, about 225, and by the time I left Syracuse, I was a little over 230 and I played in the NFL at about like 235, 228 by the end of the season.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

Geez. And now we're now where are you at?

SPEAKER_00 4:12

Now I'm like a nice lean, mean 215, man. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 4:17

Um, you take any peptides and stuff?

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Nah, you know what? I have not. And I um uh actually my man Derek Morgan, who played for the Tennessee Titans um after me, he has um a facility here called Protocol, and I'm actually going over there tomorrow and get up on the peptide uh situation. But I just kind of started hearing about it um a couple months ago. Are you are you up on peptides? Because me and John Smith, we were talking about it. I don't know if Johnny's on the peptides yet. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 4:51

I haven't seen John, but I if he's talking about it, maybe he's dabbling in it.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

Yeah, look, you know, I I don't I don't know. I know he's done his research, that's what I can say. Um but yeah, I'm about to start my research tomorrow. What do they call it? Um biohacking, body hacking?

SPEAKER_03 5:08

Yeah, yeah, biohacking. So I've been on a various amount of peptides for like I want to say the last so one I've been on for like over a year, NAD.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

Okay, I've heard about that.

SPEAKER_03 5:19

Yeah, NAD is great, and like a couple of different ones, like this one, glow, another one. I don't know. I have a nutritionist, I told tell him what I want to do, and he just sends me. Actually, I I forgot I had to text him, I ran out of some stuff, but I'm on this one called Glow. Uh-huh. And it's like good for your hair, your skin. I mean, you don't know, but like I'm trying not to lose what I have left. But it's making it it's making it like like thicker and like better, you know, because I have thin hair. But as far as skin and keeping me young, also for rep like to help repair my body, it's good for that. But he yeah, he's got me on like six different ones right now.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 5:56

And I feel I like I feel I feel great. I mean let's not I feel great. I feel I feel good for my age. Although I'll although I went back to doing CrossFit, like I haven't been in a year and I went this weekend, and everyone's like, yo, you're gonna get injured, you're gonna get injured. No, no, no. I got injured putting on my tights to go to CrossFit. No word.

SPEAKER_00 6:21

You didn't make it to the class.

SPEAKER_03 6:23

No, no, I went to the class. I was like, I so I went to go put on my tights because I'm like, I better keep everything tight. You know, you uh you know, you gotta you gotta make sure nothing is moving around. And when I bent over to put them up, I pulled my back.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

That's funny. Adam Rodriguez, I was just out in California um uh last week and he had a back issue too. I I'm knocking on wood because I don't want that. That's a serious thing.

SPEAKER_03 6:50

I still I still win. I still win. Okay, yeah, and I didn't I wasn't like, oh, I'm you know, I'm injured or anything. I did everything. I wasn't complaining, I wasn't bitching, I just kind of worked through it. Came home, took some Advil, took a hot bath, and went along.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

You know what? That's what I love about our generation, because like I said, Adam hurt his back, and um, I came out there, we're gonna work out because he came on my um my podcast, Bullseye View, and we worked out with his trainer, and he's like, Man, I hurt my back, but yo, he like you said, man, he just came out, got ready, he fought through it, didn't complain and got it done. You know, this generation, man, it's just oh my dad. Yeah, this generation, I don't get it.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

They're complaining about everything. Everything, man. So speaking of generation, okay, going back to girl dads, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:39

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:39

I and and we've talked about it. Like we have like similar things, but like mainly right now, we're both on the volleyball circuit.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Oh man. Oh my god. Like, I'm going, I'm I'll be in Indianapolis this weekend.

SPEAKER_03 7:52

I'm going to Philly.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_03 7:54

I was hoping I would see you in Philly, but I know you told me earlier you're not going to Philly.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Hey, yo, at least it's only like uh a couple hours, hour and a half to get there. Indianapolis is like a four-hour drive.

SPEAKER_03 8:05

So that was me last week in Boston. It's crazy. But yeah, so like, all right, you so you're you're going now. Do you get noticed?

SPEAKER_00 8:17

Yeah, but you know what? Um, there's so many people in there, parents that are like tall, women included, kind of like um blend in. But yeah, you know, um most of the parents are our age and or younger, uh, to be fair. Um, so you know, certain dads and whatnot, but I think more so when the girls first started, for sure. But um certain certain places, yeah, I would say, you know, nothing crazy though.

SPEAKER_03 8:49

Yeah, there's there's a lot of athletes whose daughters are playing volleyball now. Like uh Alan Houston was in the ball at the Boston one. And I I I would imagine it's his daughter, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Yeah, I mean, um look, I see a lot of athletes, and we all kind of maneuver the grounds the same way. We're either standing up and falling to the back. I always have my headphones on, um, usually listening to an audio book or nothing.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

Do you ever see like like that the dads? They're standing there like this with the coffee, and it's like the same pose they're standing in the coffee, but it's the same like the hat. Yeah. The big the big sweatshirt. They got the coffee, they're like this.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

Yeah, how do you feel about the the cheer dads who put on the outfits and like go crazy? Are you one of those? Hold on.

SPEAKER_03 9:40

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. My wife gave me pom-poms, and I'm like, what what is this? I'm not I'm not cheering with pom-poms. Like, I'm up there screaming and cheering.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

But yeah, no, I'm like running to like last year. I used to see um uh your wife on the circuit like uh like three times last year.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

I saw your yeah, DC, DC she was there.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

Yeah, DC, and they were I'm not dressing up. But I've seen those guys.

SPEAKER_03 10:07

I've seen those.

SPEAKER_00 10:12

But they're you they usually go in with the good teams and they know that they're gonna um have a good shot to win and not look like as big as fools as they're whatever, T channel.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

Let me chill. I'm gonna chill.

SPEAKER_03 10:25

Right. So have you done anything embarrassing your daughter or to your daughter said something while they're playing?

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Um, nah, you know, I don't really like no to answer your question. And when Kira, my oldest, was 15, um, I cheered. Like I really got into it. Like, come on, like, you know what I'm saying? Like how you see parents get into it. And they lost to a good uh DC Metro team that they they were beating, you know what I mean? And DC Metro is always one of the best organizations in this volleyball circuit. And um yeah, like it they lost in in three sets, because that's what they play in travel, and it was uh demoralizing, man, because it's like yo, you had them. You had them, and then I just was like, yo, I can't chair because it takes too much energy. I really feel like exhausted and I didn't even play, and I feel like that was a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Yeah, very stressful, huh?

SPEAKER_00 11:30

Yeah, right. So I just like I say, I just fall back. I have no control over the situation. But no, I have not done anything to embarrass them, but I feel like that game particularly, I was way more into it than I've ever been into it. And um she might have been tripping a little bit, but she ain't say nothing.

SPEAKER_03 11:50

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I not embarrassing, but like they were this past tournament, they were getting wrecked, and I just I put my head down and uh she's like looking at me and I'm like I just put my head down. And her at the end she comes over and she's like my my friends were asking, What's up with your dad? And she's just like, he knows we're getting killed, and there's nothing he could do about it, and he's just like over it right now. So that was about it.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Yeah, man. Like I tell you, like, so Kira, she's um going to college. Uh she's a senior, she's not playing 18s, she played from 12 to 17, and she's not gonna play in college. And that's fine. It's like I wasn't like it, you know, like, oh, you have to play in college, that's the decision she makes. But then you just come to the realization that you spent like tens of thousands of dollars for a recreation sport, and um that's cool, but um I do encourage her to at least do something like club or something in uh college because look, she's a good player, and I think the um you know, the system of you know, travel sports may have kind of uh taken a little bit of her confidence and you know how coaching and all that stuff goes. So she loves the game. I hope she uh keeps going with it.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

Well, a lot of colleges now have the club.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 13:16

So it I think it's it's not like where you're playing with the team, but you're I'm not the team, but you're playing still traveling, it's a it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Yeah, she's definitely gonna do that. You know, uh she's definitely gonna do that, and I encourage that, you know, because at the end of the day, is she five nine, five ten? I was like, I don't know, she can um she's in the position, she doesn't have to play sports to get to the next level.

SPEAKER_03 13:40

Yeah, of course. You think you think because you were an athlete you rubbed off on them like your athleticism? Because I mean, look, gr when we were growing up, you played baseball, basketball, football, and you were great at all sports.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Yeah. Um, I think that, yeah, for sure. You know, um we encourage it. We put them in sports early. When we're living right there in Jersey, we put them in um tennis at the Racketball Club in Edgewater, thinking they were gonna be Venus and Serena. I feel like all black parents think that. They're gonna put it in the city.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Oh, white fans, too.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

You know what I mean? And then then, or they're gonna be Tiger Woods and or something like that. But um, it was cool. They didn't take the tennis, but um played so they played soccer. I feel like that develops um coordination for young kids early, um, girls and boys. And and then I think um they each played basketball for a year. Cody's in sixth grade, she still plays basketball. Um, so yeah, I feel, you know, and my wife, she ran track for a little bit um and did some athletic things. I'll let her tell her own story, you know, you don't want to get it wrong. Um I know she's athletic as well, so yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

That's good. That's good. Now I always I know we talk, but I don't ever remember asking you why football? Because you were pretty good at I mean, you were excellent at basketball and you dominated. Like what what happened over there?

SPEAKER_00 15:14

Well, honestly, um, so baseball, I played from like second grade till like 15-year-olds, and then um on this one team, um, it's it's interesting, me and Adam Sha Adam Shy and I talk about it all the time. We were alternates, we were put as alternates on that all-star team. And I don't, you know, Adam Shy, I I don't know what Adam did. Obviously, now we know what he did, but like as far as his sports prowess went after that all-star team, I don't know what um Adam did, but I just started playing um travel basketball after that. Like I didn't, I like wasn't on the team. I'm not playing being an alternate, I'm good, so I guess I'm done playing baseball. And then I played travel basketball in starting in ninth grade, so I think that's when I really started to um, you know, develop a little bit more in basketball. But in ninth grade, there was this kid on our team, and he lived in Port Chester, and he would come from Port Chester to Rockland County to play on the Hoop Street team. So Hoop Street was a mix of like the top basketball players in Rockland. So it'll be Ramopoe, Nyack, Spring Valley, North Rockland, and um a gentleman by the name of Barry Knapp. Um, you know, he we would all get in his band, Albertus Magnus kids. Um, we would get in his band and play in these tournaments all over. And we would drive all the way to Porchester to get this kid, and his name was Roshmel Jones. And I didn't understand why we were driving all the way to Porchester to pick up this one player. Like when we started warming up, I could tell why. Um, like in ninth grade, like he ended up going to Yukon uh one freshman of the year. So like in ninth grade, I had a visual of what it looked like to be a D1 basketball player because he had every school in the country wanting him. And I was light years away from that. So you asked why football, uh Rosh Mel Jones and getting cut from that all-star, that all-star uh team, you know, kind of narrowed, put everything into perspective, um, where I started to realize it about that you can get a scholarship playing sports. I really didn't think about it. I was at this time I was just playing sports. And um, yeah, that I was in foster care and about uh living with the Welches in about 10th grade. That's when everybody, you know, around you starts taking the we start taking the PSATs, and then everybody starts talking about colleges and shit, and you're like, oh shit. Like you start thinking, like, damn, like, how am I gonna get like how am I gonna get to school? Because like there's no expectation, obviously, for like um you know, Miss Welch to pay for my, you know, it doesn't work like that. So um, you know, I was fortunate that I was able to forge my own path by getting a scholarship. So that's why football, because I was able to get a scholarship um and go to college.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

I mean it w it worked out amazingly.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

Like Yeah, nah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 18:22

I mean you you have to think you've had so much positivity in your life and luck that you've taken from like negative situations, you just turn them around and you make them positive since I've known you. You know, you take you take like like a lemon, but you make like a shitload of lemonade from lemonade, baby.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

I mean, you know what, man? Like, even before I got to the point of um, you know, living in New City and like being in that community, like I lived like a crazy life. So I feel like um, you know, moving around at a young age between New York, North Carolina, um, and all the different places that I had lived in just Rockman County alone before I kind of got semi-settled in um New City and then to, you know, fall into the situation, like you said, um being in foster care, but living with one of my good friends and best friends, Danny Welch, who's like who's my brother, like you know what I mean? And that's someone's house I was always going over anyway. And obviously there was adjustment, it's different than um, you know, when you go to sleep over, you know, on Friday night and you go home on Saturday, or you sleep over Friday, Saturday, you go on Sunday. But when you don't go home, it just you know, it just kind of um hits a little different. But as you said, um I feel based upon you know that real that situation where you say it takes a village, like yeah, like we I had a cool little village that um you know helped me see things differently, helped me understand things. Um and you you know, life was real with me early. So I kinda had, you know, obviously within our childhood, because I did finally was able to be a child when I went into foster care, ironically. You know what I'm saying? So um yeah, man. Just um life is what you make it.

SPEAKER_03 20:23

The the one thing that I I have to I don't know if if I'm speaking for myself or if I'm speaking for everybody that we grew up with. I never looked at you as a foster kid.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

Right. No.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

I didn't even know what it was, actually. I just knew that you lived with the Welches.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

Right, yeah, no, for sure. And that's the thing, right? Like, there's no reason to. I remember when I first lived, started living with the Welches, it was like uh when I moved in there permanently, obviously I have to go to a different bus stop, and like, you know, things look different to every like so the question be like, Why are you living with the Welches? You know, and then it's the quick answer that I gave, and then we just moved on. Like it was never a thing. It was it was honestly never a thing to the way you explain it right now, and it was nothing I ever felt I had to explain. Um, you know, however it made me feel at the time having to live with the Welches, or even, you know, however Adam and Danny may have felt having me live in their home, you know what I mean? But it was never a thing at all, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

Right, right. And so like fast forward, Syracuse, right? You go to Syracuse, you're playing football. I remember you were the you were talking about other colleges when we were in high school.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Yeah. Um, so for me, I had I would say my top colleges that I were considering was Syracuse, the University of Virginia. Um, Michigan, and then like, you know, I was entertaining like Nebraska, you know, because you narrow them down.

SPEAKER_03 22:07

Why do you think Clemson?

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Huh? Oh, because I got recruited by all those colleges, but I'm just, you know, narrowing it down to where you want to go. I got recruited by like Clemson, Georgia, and then they figure out who you're gonna take seriously once you start taking teams seriously, and especially back then, you just knock them out fast, and I knew um kind of my scope because I'd always been a Michigan fan growing up. I mean, that's all you see on TV. Um, and to have the opportunity to go play at Michigan um was dope. Um, and then University of Virginia, my grandmother lived in Norfolk, so um I was she was the one who pretty much raised me. Um and she moved down there in sixth grade, so I would have been closer to her. And what else did I say? Oh, in Syracuse, um I didn't want to go to Syracuse. You know, the um Coach Nor Coach Gerb would come, that was my linebacker coach and recruiting coach. He would come and like be at the door after school, but you could take the back path. I would take the back path and he would take the regular path, and I would like see him, I'll be like, oh shit, Syracuse. And I'll just wait and wait for him to leave, like I swear to God, and then um go home because I didn't I wasn't really tripping off Syracuse because I was gonna go to Michigan. Um and Syracuse, I went there to visit first, because they were really on me, like they were really on me, they were eager. So I took my trip there first, and it was I had a great time, to tell you the truth. It was like 60 degrees at Syracuse, New York in December. You know what I'm saying? So that was a hoax.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

But what do I know?

SPEAKER_00 23:49

I'm still 17 years old. Um I didn't drink in high school, but I think I might have had like my like first little sip of something then. Um I was actually with McNabb, um Jamon Kines, J. Paul, Stan, like a lot of guys that like I'm still friends with to this day. So I think it was the the right fit. And then it's like, look, my family and friends can come watch me play. It's only three and a half hours away. And um shit, you know, I was going to school.

SPEAKER_03 24:21

Were you did you go to that dinosaur barbecue place?

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Yeah, uh yeah, definitely. Uh that's a staple. That's every time I go to share, because I go back now, actually, I'm going back um at the end of uh March, I'm going back um to do a coach's clinic. So I'll definitely be passing through uh um dinosaur barbecue up there.

SPEAKER_03 24:44

It's good. When we went there again, volleyball tournament up in Syracuse's tournament in Syracuse. And we were driving by I was like, oh, dinosaur barbecue, because there's one over here in New York.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Yeah, in Harlem.

SPEAKER_03 24:55

Yeah, in Harlem. And I used to I used to send Rob up there to get some food. But we I was like, oh, we gotta go. The line was an hour and a half to get in this. I mean, but I waited.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

I mean um the one in Harlem or the one in Syracuse?

SPEAKER_03 25:10

No, the one in Syracuse.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Damn.

SPEAKER_03 25:12

It must have been a weekend for sure, then yeah, it was a weekend there was um some big game going on. I think not football. It was like something else, some other sport. It was good, it was good. I thought I thought it was good barbecue. But everybody that I was with, like the other parents, were like, why are we waiting in line? There's an Italian joint right across the street.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

I'm like, Italian joint is good too. I know the Italian joint you're talking about. Yeah, it's right across the street.

SPEAKER_03 25:34

But I'm like, look, we gotta have barbecue, you know?

SPEAKER_00 25:37

Barbecue and Syracuse, yeah. When you go to Syracuse, you go for barbecue.

SPEAKER_03 25:41

You go for barbecue. That's Syracuse.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

Now, look, when I think about going to Syracuse, because you went to Arizona. Like, what made you go to Arizona? Okay, so I didn't even know about Arizona, I don't think. Like, yeah, nah. Those are like out west schools. I didn't get recruited by any outwest schools. If I would have taken a trip out to an outwest school, I would have gone to an outwest school.

SPEAKER_03 26:05

That's the thing. So a couple things. Number one, my brother went there before I did.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

So when I would go visit him, uh he's nine years older. But I was like, oh, I wanna I want to go here. However, I wanted to go to a warm school. I wanted to go to a hot school, not 60 degrees, right? 75, 80. You know, I wasn't really thinking about school, I was thinking after school.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

But does it doesn't do after school? Does Flagstaff have like a winter? Doesn't it get cold up there?

SPEAKER_03 26:40

So Flagstaff does, and I was in Tucson, and we have Mount Lemon. Mount Lemon is like probably 40 minutes away from campus. So the funny so the funny thing is this a lot of the kids that we that we I was on campus with, they didn't know that like there was a mount, mountain, Mount Lemon, nothing. They saw foothills, but they didn't know that there was like snow, there was a mountain.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

That's what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

Yeah, so I would be like, Hey, you I bet you I could show you snow in less than an hour. Like it would be like, I'll bet you 20 bucks. And they're like, no, yeah, you whatever, this is an easy bet. And I take them up Mount Lemon and be like, Snow? You see that? And it was like a thing, but yeah, Tucson was great. You know, and I just went back with Masha for homecoming. And waking up in the morning, it was like 45, 50 degrees. And then at 10 o'clock, it's 80.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Yeah, that's dope. I don't mind having like those nice crisp fall mornings. Um, and then let's get the nice weather. So, what school is in Flagstaff? Why would why am I thinking of Flagstaff?

SPEAKER_03 27:48

That's uh that's Northern Arizona. That I think that's you know what?

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Northern Arizona because my one one of my college roommates one of my college roommates' brother went to Northern Arizona.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

Yeah, I never I never went up to Flagstaff. I would go to Scottsdale a lot. Scottsdale's Tempe.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

I spent a lot of I trained out there. I trained in, you know, Donovan. Um I used to do um when I got in the pros, after so when I was the off season, I would always end my off season by going to Vegas for July 4th, like Thursday through Sunday, and then I would go to Arizona. Um Donovan lived in um what would you just say? Um Scottsdale. Donovan lived out there, and um I would train with him for two weeks um after July 1st and the first fourth, in the first day, I would call it the purge because I would like make it through my workout, but I'm throwing up everything that I just because you just got literally just partying the weekend before I go to camp. But my I was already in tip top shape. That was last two weeks after July 4th, you're just kind of fine-tuning, making sure you're just coasting into camp. So that was part of my process. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:07

You're working out outside?

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Outside, hell yeah. It's hot. We'd be done, we would get out there by 7 a.m. and be workouts would start about 7, 7.15, and then we would be done by um you know noon. I'm sorry, not noon. Uh we would be done by 9. Sorry. So we'd be on the field by like 7 15, be done with the field work by 9, and then we'd be in the gym um, you know, for about another two hours, and then we're done by noon. Like the whole workout is done by that's what I was doing.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

So, yeah, so you're lucky that those Arizona bars were closing at one o'clock.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

Yeah, you know, you know what though I didn't spend I didn't spend a lot of time hanging out in in the bars in Arizona um when I was training. Um like, but then like towards the end of my career, um actually when I blew my ACL, I spent like uh I stayed at the W in Scottsdale for about six weeks. Um so yeah, I guess kind of when I got introduced to um, you know, the social scene of Scottsdale.

SPEAKER_04 30:16

Why'd you pick Scottsdale to rehab?

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Um I was a free agent, you know, so I it's a crazy story. I was having a Pro Bowl year. It's the second to last. It's um I was having a Pro Bowl year. We're playing the Miami Dolphins the week before I had I was uh AFC defensive player of the week. I had two interceptions, like 15 tackles, and in the second quarter, I mean in the second half of this game, I stepped to my left and I fell, I tore my ACL. Um it was the last year of my contract, and the football season, the calendar year of the NFL ends like March 1st. Um that back then, and I remember it was like around Valentine's Day, and the trainer says um to me, um, you know, our head trainer is like, you know, Keith, you're not on a contract, so after the 28th, you know, um you can um I hate to tell you, but you, you know, we can't have you rehab here anymore. And I was like, yeah, I know it's crazy. I was there and that's the business though, you know. I don't care how long I was there. Um, but I was like, don't worry, you don't have to worry about seeing me again. And like I left and I didn't know where I was going, so I got on the phone with my agent. My agent, um, Gary Richard, rest in peace. He sent me to the hospital of special services right there in New York. Um, you know, because I still have my place in Jersey. So me, Heather, and like my Kira was a baby. I think we had like um, yeah, and Kenzie was a baby, actually. So we're like staying at the the London on 55th in like up midtown. Yeah, yeah. And I was going to the hospital special services, and I remember it was Wally Serbiak, who was just recently retired, um, I'm like a uh stairmaster, and it was like three like 70-year-olds that had just had a hip replacement surgery, and then it was me doing my rehab. I was there for a day. I was like, there's no way I can be making a comeback to the NFL in this place with um elderly people. I mean, fighting hard, rehabbing well, but hey, hey, I'm trying to do a little bit more. I'm trying to, you know, get back on the football field. So I had to change my environment. So um Arizona was one of my spot stops, and I worked with a gentleman um by the name of Gary Guerrero, um, I think it's the U.S. Training Center. Um his his offices were it's crazy. Like I rehabbed right there in Manhattan. Um, like I'm 44th and like Lex or something like that. Yeah, it was uh a crazy journey. But yeah, that's how I ended up in Arizona, because after New York, yeah, rebuilt my strength back. So once my strength kind of got back, um in May, I went out to Arizona and I trained with Brett Fisher out there. And um yeah, I was back. Shit, the Giants picked me up in seven months, man. That was like that was like a speed rehab. I wish I would have taken more time. Hindsight looking back, I would have taken more time, but you know, so okay, so speaking of the Giants, right?

SPEAKER_03 33:32

You played for the Giants for a year, right?

SPEAKER_00 33:34

One year. Why why didn't you?

SPEAKER_03 33:38

Why didn't you resign? Why didn't you resign?

SPEAKER_00 33:41

Um, because that wasn't an option, you know. Uh wasn't an option? Yeah, it wasn't an option. Uh the following year was a lockout year, so everything had changed. So before the lockout year, it was a veteran-favored league. You know, um, you would get your vet, you that's when you would have your 14 and 13 and 15-year veterans on the roster, and they helped, you know, bring up the younger players. But now, um, when that year happened and the new collective bargaining agreement, the new CBA transformed, it will business-wise and economic-wise, the best way for me to explain it is you can bring in two or three young linebackers to see if they pan out before you have to bring in a Keith Bullock because you're gonna pay um one of them less or even two of them less than you would pay me to come. And you know what I'm saying what I'm saying? So it started to become like a um the league changed and it wasn't veteran-friendly. That's why you see now um veterans are like six years, seven years, eight years. They they call them vets. When I got in the league, I literally had Bruce Matthews on my team who was in year 22.

SPEAKER_03 34:55

Yeah, no, I mean, now that you're bringing that up, uh that that's true. Like, I don't see guys making it a long time. I always thought it was injuries.

SPEAKER_00 35:02

Yeah, I mean, like, look, a part of it is injuries, but you can come back from those injuries. Like, I could have um, you know, or you asked me why I didn't re-sign with the Giants, but let me finish that part. So then there were less opportunities for me, and then the opportunities that I had, I just felt that, you know, I was cool if I wasn't gonna be in an opportunity where I could play for a team that could win a championship. And I think that my year with the Giants, you know, I was too eager to get back on the field because I had always been um one of the main players on the team, you know, at a for at a high level for like eight, nine years. And to have the opportunity to play at home for the Giants, of course, I feel as if I gotta get out there. Now I'm at home, I'm playing for the Giants. Um, but if I had to do it again, I probably would have taken my time. But shit, you know, I don't live with regret. That's just the way I worked about it and how I was wired at the time.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

But I mean, playing for the Giants, your home, you know, your home team. You were a Giants fan growing up or a Jets fan?

SPEAKER_00 36:09

I mean, I was a Giants fan before a Jets fan. I was never a Jets fan. Like, that just never was a Jets fan, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 36:16

Yeah, I mean, I have Jet friends and I feel bad for them. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

They used to always come to school, like all depressed and shit, like the Jets lost. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

I still see people like that.

SPEAKER_00 36:29

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, yo, like, look, if the Jets win a champion, I'm happy for them. I'm not like kicking dirt or throwing shade. It just is what it is. As a New Yorker, you know, I I love the run that they made with Parcells and Rex Ryan, um, those teams of you know, when they had Revis and those guys, but yo, you know.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

Yeah, I mean, I I hope that they can do something. But I'm a that I'm a Giant fan first. And if my Giants are playing, I'm going for the Giants. But I'll I'm happy for the Jet fans if they can win something. At least when a playoff, I'll be I'll be happy.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

Yeah, I mean, look, they have uh look, the Giants is a great organization, and like I'm grateful for my 10 years that I played with the Titans. Great organization, but you know, um the Titans was a new organization. They're still learning um the ropes. The Giants have been around for over a hundred years. So when you go into the cafeteria and you see the cooks with the chef hats, and they're not outside on the grill, you know what I mean? It's like, yo, I couldn't like I'd go to sleep waking up thinking about that cinnamon French toast going into the Giants uh practices because I didn't play much. I didn't have much looking forward to, but them um, you know, their their cafeteria, their training table was elite. And I will say that it is definitely um first class organization. Uh, and I enjoyed my my time. I couldn't have I couldn't think of a better way to go out. But we'll hit the New York Giants.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

I mean, I I never now they got I now I know they have good food. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

It's interesting, like my career, my football career went full circle. Started in in in New City, started in um New York, and I ended in New York, you know. So um journey. But I did retire as a Titan. I'm the first Titan to ever, I'm the first player to ever retire as a Titan, FYI.

SPEAKER_04 38:34

So how does that work?

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Um, you know, when you're done playing, you kind of you don't turn in your papers yet. You kind of just chill, and I chilled for that one year. Um and yeah, see if something happens. And yeah, by the time I got back from Hawaii, because when I decided I wasn't playing anymore, I was training in LA and it was um a week into camp. And it's I'm always in camp. And it just felt weird, weird training, you know, with guys that know they're gonna get picked up. I I don't know what's up. And I did that for a week, and I was like, I told me, Heather, and the kids we picked we went to Hawaii for two weeks because we're right there in LA. We just went to Hawaii and then um yeah, I figured I, you know, it's time to go. My man Adam Schein um got me in touch with um some of the executive producers with um Sirius XM Radio. So I did NFL Sirius XM Radio for a couple years, so I had a gig there, and then um we actually had a stop for camp um with the Titans, and I was on um Sirius, so that's the day I retired. I retired as a Titan. I was the first player to retire as a Titan. I mean, I could have retired as a giant, but I like the moniker once a giant, always a giant. So technically, you know, I'm still good.

SPEAKER_03 40:03

But did they re-sign you? Because like I know, like in the NBA, like Eric Rhodes.

SPEAKER_00 40:10

Um, you know, they I got lunch. They don't pay you, you know.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

Was it the same lunch like the Giants? No.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

No, no, no. That Giants was good, bro. Um but it was cool. It was it was cool, man. Um, you know, I feel like um, you know, football players are modern-day gladiators. Like, you know, when you think about it, you know, the crowds used to go to these different coliseums to watch these different games and sports being played, and it's kind of the exact same model. You know, you got these crowds going to arenas and coliseums to watch um these guys play a very physical, brutal, put on the equipment, contact sports. So um, you know, it it's cool to kind of uh let it go full circle and put that uh put that part of my life to bed.

SPEAKER_03 41:05

And and now Girl Dad. And you're you got the coffee thing going on.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

Yeah, man, shoot. Like since yeah, since then, like what I went back, I got my MBA at George Washington, um, because it's like, alright, it's one thing to have money, but financial literacy is huge when it comes to uh sports and entertainment, um, because you know, no one's going to school to be a financial advisor, or no one's going to school for finance. Because if you're an entertainer, you're either in the studio or you're on set. And if you're an athlete, yeah, you're in class, but you're taking particular classes that are kind of structured so it doesn't interfere with practice. So, you know, you get you walking around at 22 with a pocket full of cash, you know, that's not your parents, you know what I'm saying? Like, and you're responsible, you're 22 responsible for like over a half a million dollars, you know, um, and you don't know much about money, you know, it's a little it's a little challenging for sure.

SPEAKER_03 42:13

Speaking of money, we've talked about this.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:17

But I don't I don't remember your the answer. What was like the first splurge? You got your you signed the contract, you got some change. It was like what'd you do?

SPEAKER_00 42:27

Um, so the first thing that I got, like, so the way it works, you sign with an agent, and like, um, and I gotta tell this backstory because you know, I had all types of agents coming at me and like, you know, they hit you with the yo, I'll give you, you know, you get $50,000 line of credit, or I'll buy you this, I'll buy you that. And my thing was like, look, it's how are you gonna put me in the best situation to help myself? So my agent gave me like $5,000 and I was in LA training, and I said, I'm gonna get a Range Rover 4.6 when I run my 4.4. I'm gonna run a 4.440, and I'm gonna get me a 4.6 Range Rover, 4.6 Range Rover. And that's what I that's what happened. And I didn't have my any money yet, besides my agent co-signing this Range Rover for me and helping me with my payment, so I'm accurate a tab, um, which is fine, because that 4.440 put me in the first round, so I'm guaranteed at least, you know, uh signing bonus over a couple million dollars, a million dollars, however that goes. Um but you don't buy, you don't actually sign until um or get your first check until August. So you're going through all of this uh from January training, you know, you you just got a line of credit this whole time. Um I'm sure it's definitely different now with NIL. These kids are coming into the league with millies, um, but that's a different story. So that's how it went. And I remember the first check I got was for seven hundred seventy thousand seven hundred seventy and thirty-four cents. So I was like, yeah, yeah, I gave it to my banker, um, who is still my banker to this day.

SPEAKER_03 44:18

There you go. So the so the Range Rover was your big spend.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

Yeah, but no, the f yes, the first thing that I got that I was responsible for, yes, absolutely. And then the next thing I my next splurge was I bought a townhouse here in um Brentwood, N out Brentwood, Tennessee, which is about 15 minutes outside of Nashville. Um and you know, Nashville in the year 2000 wasn't much really going on at all. Trust me, it wasn't um it wasn't my um whatchall it? Uh what's that movie? Damn it. Oh, uh Jerry McGuire moment. You know what I'm saying? When Cush got drafted, it wasn't it wasn't like that.

SPEAKER_03 45:05

I mean, Nashville is completely different now since we moved it.

SPEAKER_00 45:09

The other night I just went last week, I just went to the New Jersey rebranding. The team had a whole rebranding of the jerseys. So my era is gone, it's washed away. Now they're moving out.

SPEAKER_03 45:21

I heard about this. I I saw I saw uh Devin.

SPEAKER_00 45:25

Yeah, no, that was J Mac. That was J Mac.

SPEAKER_03 45:28

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was telling me that uh because I was like, yeah, um I was uh saying I spoke to you, and he's like, Yeah, him and my brother went to the the rebranding. Are they they're gonna announce the new um stadium or they were getting announced?

SPEAKER_00 45:42

So this is the last year in um the old stadium, and I say the old stadium because this one was built in '99, and in '99 was the inaugural year for the Titans, and they went all the way to the Super Bowl. Um and they lost by the yard, you know, the Music City Miracle. So that whole from there to this last year, it's about to be a while. Well, actually, last year, this is the last year in the stadium. Last year is the last year they wore the um those uniforms, and they already kind of um uh not rebranded, but they kind of um made adjustments, maybe like 10, 15 years ago. But yeah, they're squirming um because the team hasn't been good in a while. And I don't know, squirming's not the right word. They're trying to find ways to keep everybody engaged. The new stadium will be great. I understand it from a business standpoint. Getting out in front of it, you know, start with the jerseys this year, get you excited. They got uh new coaching staff with Dable and Salah and some new players, so they're happy about that. So look, man, it's good for the city. This will at least buy them another year if the team isn't good before they get in the stadium. So they got two years of excitement for the city. Um they just need to play ball at the end of the day. Just play ball, man. Do your job, man.

SPEAKER_03 47:02

What what are so are they knocking down the stadium and building over and they're gonna play somewhere else, or are they building the stadium?

SPEAKER_00 47:08

No, they're building actually the new stadium is being built right in front of the current stadium. You know, um like on a parking lot. Yeah, so like they're gonna knock that down, and that's gonna be um a retail living space, like a whole city type, you know, entertainment area. So uh right outside.

SPEAKER_03 47:26

A lot of a lot of new stadiums that they're doing, that's what they do. They they build the stadium and then they incorporate the whole town around it.

SPEAKER_00 47:34

Yeah, it's uh like um, you know, they'll have like condos, restaurants, bars, family spaces, uh like a great lawn, and it looks over to the city, so it's gonna be a whole nother attraction. And what's what's interesting, man, um, to watch um a city being transformed, you know, like a small, a smaller but bigger southern city be transformed. Um, you know, a lot going on out here. Just gotta figure out how I can wet my beak a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 48:05

Well, I mean, well, okay, the coffee. You're doing the coffee.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

Yeah, I got coffee. I have airport concessions. Uh so when you come through Nashville Airport, um, we own um Rick House, we own another bar, the MLS bar, we own the um hockey bar. Shoot, we have uh like, yeah, like several different concessions that in the airport, and then um the coffee, just love is a local brand. I have my own store. I'm ready to get out of that so I can transition to something else, and then I have a wine bar out here in Franklin too. Ready, I'm just ready to move on for food and beverage, man. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 48:41

Yeah, it seems like you're doing a lot of food and beverage.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

But you know what? It was perfect timing because I got into it around COVID. So, like, you know, there was nothing else to do. Um, you couldn't really go out anywhere, and we had to be open. So that's kind of where I learned um, you know, operations and management. Like, I could run a store, I could run any store at this point. I just need to know the numbers and just show me your systems and I'm gonna make it go, you know. So um, I like that I was able to pick that skill up. Now, if anything, I don't mind being involved in um food and beverage type situations, but I need to be in the back instead of being hands-on.

SPEAKER_03 49:22

Yeah, you're I see that you're really hands-on, especially because I see the.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

That's the best way to learn, you know. Um, you know, that's the best way to learn. I've done real estate flips, I've bought houses in other states and flipped them because um one thing I did learn in um getting my MBA, and that's the reason I went to get my MBA, is you know, to learn to cut out the middleman, you know, because when I retired, you know, I got a pocket full of cash. People are like, oh, you should do this with your money. Oh, you should do this. Oh, let me show you how to do this. I'm like, yo, back up, back up, you know. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, um, and then it's really investment for them that they're gonna get a piece of, you know what I mean? Or that's how they're that's how they're angling it. So for me, I was like, you know what, I'm gonna cut out the middleman. I'll be, you know, there is no go-between. I have checks and balances, I have a business um manager or business management that I send all deals to, they'll read them. Um, and I'm gonna make the final decision, but yeah, I need to be in on these meetings. And I also noticed before I went to people would talk over my head. Like, I don't think it's like, what does that mean? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 50:34

So you know.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

Yeah, business school got me um real business savvy and working with an a working with angel investment group, that's kind of where I learned how to invest, you know, because obviously with angel investment groups, it's like somebody they'll come in and pitch, and you know, it's like Shark Tank, right? Um you can buy the whole thing, or you know, everybody goes in for about 20% and I mean 20k to get to the hundred, and we get 20% of it, however it goes if it's five people, easy math. But um on things like that, it was like such little money. I'm like, shit, I can do that myself. Like I that's how I learned how to um, you know, vet deals and you know, that actually, like you said earlier, um, gave me other opportunities like the wine bar, and that's how I got the opportunities like the airport, you know, just being a little more business savvy than than the next guy.

unknown 51:28

Right.

SPEAKER_00 51:28

Next athlete, I should say.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

Yeah, because a lot of athletes, like I like I speak to like obviously you're my first guest on on this podcast.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 51:39

But I I s you know, I have friends, NFL guys, NBA guys, and it's they're always s asking, like, what do I do to reinvent myself after the NFL? What do I do? What do I do? And it's basically uh there is no there's no game plan, like it everybody's different, everybody has their own thing. And right, you know, I think while you're in Tennessee, Tennessee is your spot. Yeah you know, everybody knows you in Tennessee, so it's easy for opportunities to come to Tennessee than maybe somewhere else. And now that you know we have social media and we have more exposure, either it be good or bad with social media, th those opportunities come to you instead of you going somewhere else. So it depends on what what motivates you on what you want to do. It seems like I see your videos, you like to cook.

SPEAKER_00 52:34

Yeah, you know, chef pulley. Yeah, but it's like and like um to what you're saying to that, it's like, right? Like you were around me actually a lot when I retired. You know, I used to come to your office when you were doing dunked, and like that's actually when I was in business school. So, you know, just trying to find my space when you um with the dunk 360, if that however to learn how to build things out like that, and you know, working on my um capstone for my uh for my MBA. So that was actually during the time when I just retired and trying to figure it out and working on Sirius XM and realizing that, okay, I just did a four-hour show, I made 400 bucks, but that ain't no bread compared to what I was making. So, you know, what I used to learn. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's like, so what are some things that interest me? And I always knew that I wanted to go back to school because even when I was in the NFL, um, the NFL offers uh different business classes. I took one at Stanford, Harvard, Wharton, Penn. Um, those were the four that I took. I'm sure they have more now. But I was always like, look, there's only so many times I can go to Vegas, Miami, LA, party in New York or wherever I go. Um, I need to figure out more things for life after football. What are my peers doing that are 26, 27? You know what I mean? Um, how do my neighbors make their money? You know, I know how I got my bread, but how do my other five neighbors make their money? So, you know, in the offseason, I would take time to put into, you know, my interests in business, and I was fortunate to find that um program at George Washington University.

SPEAKER_03 54:22

The the George Washington University thing, that's not the the NBA program that the other athletes were taking. Remember that was it like they did that Miami program?

SPEAKER_00 54:31

Yeah, they did the Miami program. I think there were several more. They did I was the second um I was the second cohort. There was a first cohort of um, you know, students, uh former players, wives, um, you know, other people that were in the entertainment industry, same as um mine. Um, and then they moved it to Miami. And, you know, I feel like after being in a field for so long, and like look, it would have been helpful for anyone, because they weren't just athletes in those classes, you know. Um it were it was for people that have been entrepreneurial already and they're trying to kind of, you know, broaden their horizons and their business vacuum and their business knowledge so they can take their businesses to the next level. Um you know, with having kind of like minds in there to challenge one another and to, you know, hole punch in your theories and you know, all these different things, it was cool instead of you know the typical uh being in the football class.

SPEAKER_03 55:38

I think that program was fantastic that they used to do that. Do they still do it?

SPEAKER_00 55:43

Um, I don't know. I don't know if they still do it, but um I know it and they're all thriving in business today.

SPEAKER_03 55:53

Everybody who that I know that does that, they they're like, Yeah, they're doing they're doing something, making moves.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

I mean it's like those classes like you like it was like you were in college, like you class starts it, it was like nine to five, and you have three classes a day, like you know what I'm saying, and like you had responsibilities, and then at the end of the day, you paid your money, so what are you just gonna flush it? And at this point, you're a grown-ass adult. You know what I mean? Like you can apply what you're learning tomorrow, you know.

SPEAKER_03 56:24

You can't you're not with other kids, it's just you, athletes, entertainers, celebrities. It's just you guys. So like what how many people weren't it?

SPEAKER_00 56:32

Um, there was about 20 of us. There was about 20 to 25 of us, and um, yeah, it was uh it was it was really cool. But then they always have different speakers, different guests. So like ours was out of George Washington. So you have two weeks, um, three weeks in George Washington, and then you take two months off, and then we went to New York. We had three weeks in New York, um, and we did stock exchange and um different things that pertain to New York, then we had um a month off, and then we did like three weeks at UCLA, and that's when we did um real estate and some more finance. So they really tailored it and structured it, and then the next year you come back and you have to have your capstone, you start your capstone, you know what I mean? So then we're in George Washington again, and then we went to San Francisco, and that's when we did tech and Google and all that, and then we finished in George Washington. So um yeah, it was uh great to actually get out um and meet these different uh CEOs, these different professors. We're able to cultivate relationships, some that we still have to this day. So um yeah, it was uh a great uh it was a I'm glad I made that decision.

SPEAKER_03 57:47

Yeah, that's a great program. Who's who's the most famous person there?

SPEAKER_01 57:52

Who was the most famous in my class?

SPEAKER_00 58:03

Uh we had a I don't wanna lie because I can't remember the young lady's name. We had an Olympian. We had an Olympian, Sean Merriman was in my class, um Lee Bowden was in my class. Um yeah, I wouldn't say I wouldn't say there were many famous people in there, but they were uh they were well known.

SPEAKER_03 58:27

Like if you guys if you all went out, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:29

No, when we all went out, they knew they knew like we all were just recently retired, so uh, you know, um when we went out in any of the cities, they knew who we were, you know, so it was that wasn't an issue.

SPEAKER_03 58:46

Yeah. Um Nashville. Okay. I always I I know I tell you, I'm coming out to Nashville, I'm coming out to Nash, and I have I've never been to Nashville. Yeah, and it's one of the places like at maybe top three places that I really want to go. Have you this have you like what's your story? Are you like a country guy now?

SPEAKER_00 59:06

I'm not a country guy at all. I respect I respect it, you know, because it uh is a staple, but um look, you can't escape it. You go in Target, you hear country music, you go in the gas station, you hear country music, you go in McDonald's, you hear country music. So it's just one of those things that's a uh staple. Um my friends are bar owners here. Um I go to the different concerts, I've been to the CMAs, I've been to the AMAs, been to the ones and I've been to everything there is to do revolving around country music. So I do love and respect the craft. Um, but look, man, I I look at it like um the way I've met artists has just been at like the local bars and just being friends and stuff like that. So um, you know, the groups that I do tend to um listen to, they're probably like friends of mine for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:03

But you're but no country.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

What about the have you gone like down to No, like the country groups that I listen to, uh country the the people that are the country singers that I probably know them, that's what I'm saying. So I don't like really like friendly with them.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:16

Didn't didn't you tell me that you were at the gym and you're working out with Cain Brown?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:20

Um, I I said I think that he could went to my gym. My boy JT is um he works with uh Morgan Wallen, you know what I'm saying? Uh my my daughter's best friend, one of my daughter's good best friends, actually since we moved to Nashville. Um Pops is Phillips Sweet, uh from um Little Big Town. So we're really cool. Like to hang out with uh Mr. Blonde, you know, from time to time when he's in town. Um and like I say, man, it's such a um big, small community that you know I could name hella people that I know, but that's what I'm saying. Like that's why I love and respect country music, but um, you know, it hasn't grown on me in that sense, but uh, have a love and respect for them because I know the artists and like their stories and stuff, so that's what's what really intrigued me.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:13

Right. Have you seen because like so you hear all the stories of people leaving California, people leaving New York, what for whatever reason. We're not gonna talk about that, but have you seen more people coming to Nashville? Because I I heard like a like from California, you had like a huge flow of people come to Nashville.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:32

Yeah, absolutely, especially during COVID. Um, because that's when I opened my uh coffee shop. So, you know, people would come, they would look for something that's open. And I remember several couples that were out of Los Angeles that were uh moving to my area or in my area looking to buy a home, not even selling their house in California. Um, and if you like looked at that time, there was a huge boom in property in Nashville. So they were coming to buy something for and there's no state tax here. So people definitely, you know, benefit from that. But yeah, they were coming to buy secondary homes for like 1.1 to like 1.8 and getting like nice pieces of land and not even selling what they had and you know figuring it out. But yeah, you can also tell now in 2026 by the influence of the amount of different restaurants. We have an In N Out burger here, you know what I'm saying? We have like Omakashi sushi, we have uh Nobu is coming, we got all these um things that I know too.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:39

Craig's just open.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

I'm sorry?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:41

Craig's Craig's just opened.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:43

Craig's is here, yeah. Craig's they opened their only second one is open here, you know what I mean? So that's what I'm saying. I remember going to Craig's when it opened in LA. So we're getting places um and restaurants here that um I'm used to going to other cities. We're getting an additional hotel is being built at the time, you know. So um, yeah, Nashville is doing his thing, and people are definitely uh moving here. Your boy Elon Musk is uh in, you know, the big talk is him building uh uh underground tunnel like they have in Vegas from the airport to downtown. So uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:20

Well, Elon took over Memphis.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:22

Yeah, um and he's and I think he's trying to get his claws here in Nashville. We'll see. I know our mayor is uh he's he's he's uh I think he's Elon friendly.

unknown 1:03:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:32

Well, have you seen have you seen Elon's brother Kimball? No. Okay, so he walks around with a cowboy hat, so he would fit in perfectly in Nashville.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:41

We don't need any more posers here in Nashville, I tell you that much. There's enough around here already.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:47

So what you're saying is if I come to Nashville, I cannot wear a cowboy hat.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:51

You come to Nashville, you should come just like that. Because the only people that wear cowboy hats are musicians that are from Texas and tourists. I'm telling you. And the women that wear cowboy boots are um all tourists, so we could tell.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

So you so okay, wait, hold on a minute. Speaking of tourists and women in cowboy boots, there's been like a change now where girls for their bachelor's parties are not going to Vegas, they're going to Nashville.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:20

Oh, that's been the situation. Like that's we've been saying for years. Like me and my boys when I played here, like I say, Nashville wasn't anything like it is now. So, you know, we jumping off to Miami or Vegas or wherever we're going. I was like, if back then, if it was like it is now, we wouldn't have had to gone anywhere. You know what I mean? So um, yeah, I think Nashville has been taking that over. And look, it's good for the economy, but if you live here, you know, you can't help to miss the woo girls, that's what we call them, um, down on uh Broadway and Demumbrium because they're on those pedal bikes playing me, and all they say is woo the woo girls.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:05

That's funny, that's funny. Um I gotta make it a what the last thing about Nashville, what is uh you're a business guy now. Okay, you're not a football guy, you're a business guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:16

Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:16

Number one grossing bar restaurant in Nashville, celebrity owned.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:21

Oh man, if I had to pick one.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:24

No, but do you know the numbers or not?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:26

No, like uh Jason Al Dean. He's got a one Kid Rock, uh Jelly Roll has one now.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:34

I heard Kid Rock is like the number one grossing.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:37

Yep, that makes sense. Morgan Wallen. Um Bon Jovi had one, but I I don't know if it's here anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:44

Probably not. He's not even country. And he's from not from Nashville. Why are you opening up places? You're from New Jersey. Open one in New Jersey.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:51

Hey, I can tell you, but everybody's uh shoot, Snoopin' Dre got a bar downtown.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

Really? What's it called? Gin and juice?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:58

Yes. Yes. How original.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:03

That's that's funny. Wait, so during COVID, you guys were open.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:08

Well, we just opened. We were supposed to open in April. We opened in July. And to tell you the truth, Nashville, what? COVID, everything was shut down in March. Nashville was open in May.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:20

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:20

I mean we were like six but like there were like six, you know, six there was bars were open and shit in May in Nashville. Like they just had oh, because they had the doors open. They had the doors open.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:35

Right, so you have the doors open, then it's not a good thing. Yeah, no, no, New York was shut down. The first flight out of here was, I think, the end of June. And we went on the first flight to Florida. And when we got to Florida, I remember my dad, we took our my parents with us because they didn't want to stay here alone. And my dad's like, let's go to lunch. And I was like, let me call and see what's open. Everything was open. But my wife was like, wait, you're going to lunch? And I'm like, Yeah. Inside? And I was like, Yeah, the only table that happens is inside. And we went there, and it was, I mean, the tables obviously weren't like you know on top of each other, but we were still inside, and she was kind of like nervous. My dad didn't give a shit. And I was like, This is weird. Because up there, up north, everyone is like, Don't don't touch me. We gotta sit outside. And now we're inside, and nobody gives a shit. And we stayed there for a few months.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:31

Yeah. So when I I went to um I traveled a couple of times. It was the best time to travel because the airports here were fine. Um, I feel like I went to New York maybe in like October. It was definitely like football season after COVID. And it was like the whole outset, it was it was definitely a weird time. I went to LA in December. That's when they said you had to have a card in order to like go in certain spots. That was like weird. Like I didn't have a car, I showed a picture of a card. Okay, yeah, you're good.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:05

Yeah, they didn't know what they were doing, they just painted by here.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:08

Yeah, exactly. Um, but yeah, it was definitely a weird time, but it didn't really it didn't really shut down here um too much at all, to tell you the truth.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:17

Yeah, that's good. That's good. But so the prices in Nashville have gone through the roof.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:23

Uh yes. I think they might have started to level out a bit a little bit now, but for the most part, Nashville was going crazy for sure. Um but it's like that whole bubble uh situation, you know, they go up, they go up, go up, and then the bubble burst because ain't nobody buying that high-ass shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:42

There's always there's always a buyer.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:45

And you know what? And then you know where it's starting to happen, it's starting to happen to the historic buildings and the bar owners and stuff downtown on Broadway, to what you're speaking, right? So if you have like a there's an owner um downtown, he does like meet and threes and like not expensive food, right? You know, it's just traditional southern, but he has a nice um spot. So one of the complaints is how they're raising the property taxes. His property taxes were raised $600,000 in one year. Geez. I mean, we're doing better now in New York. To what you're saying, somebody will come and buy that shit, right? Like, so that's why you got um uh Raising Canes downtown. That's why you got like all these commercial style, you know, they got Mel's Diner downtown because these big corporations can afford to come in and buy these um big aesthetic uh historical, historically owned Nashville buildings. So that's what's interesting, and that's what I see, and that's what I know happened.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:49

Yeah, that's I think the problem is they start trying to milk with the property taxes and then they get in trouble because they're putting mom and pops out of business.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:58

Yeah, and that's what's happening.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:00

Yeah, that's not a good thing. That's not a good thing. Um, speaking of not a good thing. We're gonna talk about something good. All right, okay. What's uh what you're trying I see you traveling a lot. Yeah, okay. What's what's the story? Like, we're what's your number one spot? Do you have like let me rephrase this? Not your number one spot, like that you love, but like do you have a go-to spot? Like, hey, Heather kids, this is where we're gone.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:30

You know what? We like Barbados, you know, over the last four or five years, we've um gone to Barbados. Heather's dad is and Heather's dad's family is from Barbados, um, hurt that side. So, you know, um we started going there about five, six years ago, and it's really cool, it's chill. Um, I would say that's a good go-to spot. Um, you know, you can't go wrong with the breakers talking about prices.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:01

Um prices of the breakers.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:04

Yeah, no, for sure. Um the breakers. You we used to like to go to um, you know, Cabo and get an Airbnb in the Pedrogal, uh back there behind the gates. So um we had some pretty nice vacations, you know, kind of like the Goffmans. You guys like to travel too, hey, you know, so you guys as well. Right, no, a thousand percent. I believe in it. And honestly, man, like I didn't travel growing up, and I know places that I want to go to and see, and you know, um my kids uh get well, Kiris talks about her friends, you know, kind of make fun of her or sometimes whatever, however it goes with kids. She's like, I can't help it. Like my parents ain't gonna just leave me at home. Like, yeah, you're going where your parents go. It's not like you're saying, yo, let's go here, let's go there. You don't get a choice, let's go.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:01

Yeah, you're your kids are like my kids right now, where they're like, Oh, you're going somewhere, and they're like, I don't want to go.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:06

Yeah, I want to stay home. Yeah, I don't get that. They got their own social life, they got their own.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:11

And do you say do you say because I say this to them, you're gonna regret this in like 10, 15 years. You're gonna look back and say, I wish I did that with you. I wish I went there, I wish I went there more.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:24

Yeah, I mean, I I it's I say that about other things, and you can throw that in there as well. Um, you know, and it's interesting, you know, not you know, growing up with parents, and you know, I know everything Miss Welch tried to do for us, and um, you know, other people that played a role in my life during that time. Um yeah, these kids got it made, bro. You know what I'm saying? They got it made.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:51

Like, I don't understand. Like, I'm taking you on vacation to Europe and you don't want to go.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:56

Yeah, that's wild.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:57

And you're complaining about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:59

I don't get it. They've been exposed uh so much so early that they're like, uh, we've been that we've been there. Like Kira just came back from her class trip. She was in um Spain, like Madrid, Barcelona, and then they went to like Morocco, Fez, and Granada for like 10 days. That's what I think has already been before, though, like with us.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:21

Like wait, but do you get nervous when they're going on a school trip and they're like, We're going to Morocco, we're going to Granada? Do you get like a little nervous because like you don't have control over what's going on or safety, not not like more for safety reasons?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:37

Um, no, because you know, especially Kira, she's 18 now. She's been traveling since she's eight, and like I said, she's been to those places. She's like, might not have known what was going on then, but she's traveled enough. Like, and I always ask them, like even like years ago, I'm like, yo, would you be able if we dropped you out at the airport, would you be able to get to your gate? And um, you know, at first they're like, I don't know, but that made them start paying attention when we moved through the airport and like what to look for. And I would tell, and I'm sure you do too. You kind of like, as you're doing these things, you're kind of preparing them for things. And then it's like how we move as adults, like when we're in Morocco or when we're in um Europe or anywhere, you know, um the safety precautions that we take, you know, our kids watch and they, you know, we tell them, like, oh, stay close, however it goes. So, you know, I think through osmosis, uh, they kind of get it because, you know, they tell you about the other kids that have never been anywhere and what they're doing. Um, so it kind of reinforces um us as parents, like, okay, you know, especially her, she's about to go out into the world, go to college. So um, you know, they know what's up, they've traveled enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:58

Yeah, but you you give them the whole don't do this, watch for pickpockets. Oh, yeah, put a 20 in your shoe.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:04

Yeah, for sure, for sure. But like they were getting those stories before, like, you know, when we like they've been to Barcelona, they've been to Madrid, they've been to France, they've been to Italy, they've been all these different than fortunate, like you say, to go with us to the point they don't want to go now.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:21

Yeah, it's cra it's it's crazy. It's it's it's I like I don't understand my kids.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:25

I mean, I would have gone, I didn't go nowhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:28

Yeah, I mean but I remember when I was younger, my parents were dragging me to places and I'd be the same way. Like, I don't want to go. And now I look back and I'm like, I wish I would have spent more time there. I wish I would have done that. I wish I wouldn't have complained, you know. But you know, we're we're now I I don't know. I'm turning into my dad.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:48

Turn off the lights, put a jacket on all the time, man. Like these kids that go away for three days. Why are you leaving your TV on? Turn your TV off, bro. What are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:59

Yeah, but I'm I I feel like I'm old.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:01

It's for the cat. I'm leaving it on for the the cat ain't watching TV. Trust me, the cat ain't watching TV.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:07

I'll be right back. You've been gone for an hour. What do you mean you were gonna be right back? What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:12

Yo, what's it like um having like your kids drive up there in Jersey? Because like in the South, it's more like chill, but like, you know, Jersey's a little more fast-paced. What's the parenting like in um North Jersey? Because that's where we would be if we didn't leave um in 2016.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:31

Okay, so the unique thing that I did was they got their driver's license in Florida a year earlier than what the kids were supposed to get in New Jersey. Um, I don't know if that's uh illegal. I think it's a gray area, whatever. Now it doesn't matter. Now it's past that point.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:49

It worked out. It worked out.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:50

Now it's past that point. But because they were driving earlier and they had so much practice with their permit a year earlier than everybody else, um, and they were driving in Florida a little bit earlier.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:06

I remember I rode, um, I rode with uh your daughter. What who was driving? Masha's not driving.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:12

It was Ariana.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:13

Ariana was driving.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:14

It was right after she got her driver's license. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:17

I remember.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:18

Yeah. Yeah. So she just got her driver's license. I remember that.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:21

I had the privilege to meet you up. She was driven back to the breakers by Ariana after the lunch. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:27

Yeah, and she and she was pretty good. She's she's sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:30

I just took Kenzie driving today, matter of fact. But go ahead, tell you, I asked you a question. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:34

Yeah, so here it's okay because uh they're not really going on the Palisades. Maybe Route 4, but you know, I try to tell them like stay away. I'm not worried about them really. I'm worried about everybody else.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:48

Right, yeah. But that shit goes fast. Like, it's it's intimidating getting on that um, you know, the that Route 4 or one of those seven, yeah. So that's why I asked.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:58

Yeah, but they learned with the driving instructor on I-95 in Florida.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:05

That's nuts. That's it's very nuts. I've seen some crazy things on I-95, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:14

Yeah, me too. Wait, so you so you so you took her driving? What does she have a permit?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:19

Yeah, she has her permit. Kenzie's 16. Um, took her driving. She's pretty smooth with it. But like when I had them, I bought like a go-kart, like when they were little. And like Kenzie was always the one to get in and just like just go. You know, Kira was always the cautious one like her grandmother. So um, she's really, you know, it was her second time driving. Uh took her out of the neighborhood. I let her get in uh because like I say, in the south is slower, so if I go on one of these streets, there might not be no cars for a couple minutes. You know what I mean? So uh she wasn't fighting traffic and they're off. They have spring breaks, so it's not that much traffic in the morning. So uh, you know, about a half hour. I don't overdo it. We can work our way to the highway soon. She's still gotta work on her turns. Um, you know, I'll give her a couple weeks before we get to the highway, no rush.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:08

Yeah, the tur so the turns are really important because for some reason I noticed this, and this was with with both of them, right turns. Yeah, they were like getting like too close to the curb, and I'd be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:24

Right now she's speeding into her turns. I'm like, yo, slow down, slow down, slow down.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:29

Yeah. And yeah, that's the that's the thing is like you gotta like let go of the gas and then you know, and then slowly turn, you know, turn and put the gas on. And then and then there was one point I remember I was like, you know what? I'm getting an instructor. I can't deal with this. I'm like, I'm gonna have a heart attack.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:47

Did you have to? I thugged it out. I thugged it out. I'm gonna get through Kenzie. So far, so good. We'll see.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:57

Not yeah, not not happening. All right, back to the traveling thing. Your favorite place.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:04

My favorite like with the family, those were my favorite place with the family. Um you know, I used to travel a lot, like before I got married, and like I tried to keep the thing like, yo, I'm always we're always gonna do a guide trip, I'm always gonna take a trip, and it doesn't really it does it hasn't been able to stick because obviously life life, you know what I'm saying? Like as much as you want to. Um, but I like I enjoy Barcelona. I like Spain a lot. Um why? I don't know. Barcelona's a a cool city, it's a fun city to me. I like the beach. Maybe that's that's definitely what it is. The beach the beach plays a huge role. Um in that.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:45

And all that time in Syracuse now you're like, fuck, I need a beach.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:48

Yeah, you feel me? Um, yeah, the beach definitely, and then in New York our beaches, you know, eh if you want to call them that, you know, we can go down to Jersey Shore, you know, uh Lake Welch, Jones Beach, you know, wh whatever, whatever you did, but those aren't the ones that I'm talking about. So what are some of your what are your what about yourself? I don't feel like I can guess, but where do you where's like your spot? I think like I say, um my favorite place, like uh Barbados, it's kind of like what I feel like um the south of France is to you and your family. You get built mem uh memories there, your kids have grown up going, you know, there from time to time. Same with us in Barbados. Um my wife's family has a connection to it. Um so you know, therefore my kids have a connection to it. So I feel like that's a spot that, you know, as a family wins, and it's honestly not one of those islands where there's something to do all the time. You know what I mean? Um, it's one of those islands where you're gonna get breakfast in the morning if whether you make it or you go out, you know, you're gonna be on the beach all day. We might go for an adventure or something like that, and then we're gonna get a nice dinner. You know what I'm saying? So um it's a good yeah, good, great eight to ten days of that. Get some rum punch, get some nice cigars, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:13

That's what I'm all about. Roman cigars. Yeah, so that's most famous person out of Barbados.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:20

Uh Rihanna.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:21

That's right, Rihanna.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:23

Rihanna, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:23

I don't know how I knew that.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:25

Yo, you know what's funny is the last time we were there last year, um, the house that we rented um uh uh was right next door to um I think Rihanna was having a Fenty event. She was in town because it's not far from um Sandy Lane where she uh resides. Uh so I hear um everyone on the island knows it and says it. Um but yeah, so I kind of crashed the party. Like I was sitting out on the beach, like having a smoke, and um, you know, having a drink, and then it's literally right next door to our spot, and they were grooving in there. So I kind of just walked in, and I'm dressed like a dad that was just outside having a cigar. So I'm not dressed for this uh island Fenty party, but whatever. Um I walk in, I go to the house, I got a rum punch, and then somebody immediately comes up to me is like, um, were you are you invited here? And I was like, nah, I'm staying next door and I saw the, you know, I heard the music, so I just came in. It's an island. I figured we're all family. She's like, uh, well, I'm gonna have to ask you to leave. I was like, I can I take my drink with me? She's like, Yeah, you can have your drink. But um, I have a feeling if like Rihanna or ASAP saw me, not that they know me, they would have been like, nah, he could chill. I'd be like, yo, I'm from New York.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:54

You didn't see them, or they were like somewhere in the morning.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:56

I got kicked out too fast. I got kicked out too fast.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:01

Almost, almost. Almost. Almost. Are you oh that's a that's a good story. I like that story. You crashed Rihanna's party.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:12

Yeah, bro. I was going I like I didn't know till the next day it was Rihanna's party, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:17

That's good. That's good. Are you are you gonna come to St. Bart's or not?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:21

We got um, what do we have?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:23

You gotta track me.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:24

Track me. Track me. Yeah, we they gotta track me. My birthday is Saturday, April 4th. Guess I'm gonna be in Nashville.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:34

Not the big one, the big one, not yet.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:36

No, no, no, not yet. I don't know what I'm gonna do for the big one.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:40

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:41

You got any, like, what are you gonna you got any thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:44

So, okay, for my 30th, I had a really big party. For my 40th, I had a big not as big, but big party. People keep asking me, are you gonna do a party on your 50th? You got to. And I'm just like, I'm not sure if I want to do a big one or maybe a small one with just a couple of like what I mean small, I mean like I wouldn't do uh I probably maybe 30, 40 people. Okay. But then you gotta be careful because when you don't invite somebody, they get upset.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:16

You know, it's it's I I'm not gonna feel any kind of way, but no, no, you 100% would be invited, but I'm you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:24

There's like people like you.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:25

50 is a milestone. 50 is like a milestone, like don't tell anybody how old we are. And like in when I get there, and like however many years that is, you know, but you know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:43

I don't know. Maybe, maybe I don't know. I was thinking do a trip. Have you gone to this, like these destination birthday parties?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:51

Yeah, I've had one before.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:53

So okay, so when you do a destination party, because I've I haven't gone to a destination party. I've been invited, but I just don't I haven't gone. The party, the host whose party it is, they pay for the party. But as far as travel, no, it's to stay to stay there, they're not paying for that either.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:12

I've been on destination birthday parties where you know I would think the host is taking care of more just because they invited us here. Like we didn't have to come out here for this destination party, and you gotta, as the host, I feel like I've been to somewhere they didn't have everything as set up as I feel it should be, and I've also been to some where they did a great job.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:38

So like destination weddings, I I get, right? Right. Okay. You go to the you go to the wedding, you're not paying for airline tickets, you're not paying for the hotel, nothing like that. But like birthday parties, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:49

Like, are you I don't know, like if I'm inviting you're expected to like contribute it, contribute on a dinner or two.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:56

Yeah, dinner.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:58

I don't know. But that's what I'm saying. Don't go crazy. Like if we're going to a dinner, I got a few hundred bucks on it or whatever the thing is. Like, let's be reasonable. Um but don't have like me putting it on a brunch, a lunch, a dinner, a boat, a bottle. Like, nah, you're getting out of control, yo. We're not doing all that.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:19

Oh, so wait, you're saying that people, the host was expecting you to chip in on all these things.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:24

Hey, I've been I've been to crazier parties. No, no, no, I would get there and it could be one of those type of situations.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:33

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:35

You know, because it's set up by like um the wife is trying to do something, or the sister, or somebody's like that, and that's just the way they know to do it. Like, yo, their friends got money, they could put in on this, but no, that's not how it typically works. It's just no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:50

I was I was always thinking you do the invite, it's gonna be here. I'm throwing the party, maybe the dinner before for a couple people.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:00

Or whatever everybody and then and then a party.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:02

Yeah, I'm with you.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:04

Yeah, I wasn't sure about the whole you know accommodations part.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:08

But that's the thing, right? Like if there needs to be accommodations, like if I go for the party on Friday and I have to stay over and it's Saturday, what's up? Is there a brunch? Is there is it over after the party? Like, you know, that's are they carrying it over? Because some people will be like, oh, now we have Saturday at the pool, pool side, something. You know what I mean? So I feel like the ones I've been to have carried over, and I feel they need to be clear about what they're responsible for and what the expectations should be.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:43

It's gotta be on the invite.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:45

Yes, sir. Should be.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:46

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I'm I'm thinking, I'm thinking what to do. Either I'm gonna do something like that, yeah, or I'm gonna do a party in the city, but not a big, big party. Like, I don't want a big party. I don't know. I think there's just too much drama.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:05

Yeah, I feel at this, like you and you're and you're gonna want to be able to talk to everyone you invite. You know what I mean? So, like if you Yeah, I want to talk to people. Yeah, I mean, look, it's actually your whole month. So you could do one little thing and then you can go do like a rager or go do some family stuff with just the family, or you know, I feel like you could do more than one thing, but you can have one thing that's all inclusive, you know, because people are gonna want to celebrate you.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:36

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I'm gonna think we'll reconvene on that.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:40

Yeah, I have some ideas, but I just need to see what's realistic and what's not. Like, I'm like, yo, I wanna go, I wanna get a yacht, like one of those yachts, and go to the uh Mediterranean for two weeks type shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:54

Like, oh, you're talking baller shit. Yes, I am. I am I'm talking like one day, but maybe all people go there and like maybe it's a two-day thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:02

I'm willing to extend to not even go in April, but just in the year of the time. You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:10

Yeah. It's also it's also my 20th wedding anniversary the same year.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:16

Yeah, look. Then it's like two big things, so maybe I look at it like I wouldn't I would be okay with dipping in the stash for that. Like, you know what I'm saying? I would I would be okay with dipping in the stash a little bit for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:30

Yeah, there's there's a but there's a I'm not gonna die with it.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:33

I'm definitely not gonna take it with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:35

No, no, you gotta celebrate. Celebrate the milestone.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:38

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:39

Um, yeah, I don't know. We we're we're gonna reconvene. I'm gonna think about it. I've been thinking about it, and people have been you know, telling me, you know, what what to do. I don't know. I want to see.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:49

I'm gonna say what's the hmm. Yeah, I can't think of anybody, yeah. I can't think of, yeah, you gotta do it your way. You gotta hit the old Frank Sinatra on this one.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:01

Yeah, I gotta do it. I gotta do it my way. But people, you know, there's definitely some pressure from people.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:05

Like, you gotta do the party, you gotta do the party, you gotta do it the way if even if you do the party, put your own like touches of your you know what I mean, like do it your way.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. We'll we'll we'll we'll talk. We'll talk. Social media.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:23

Okay, it's not what you think I'm gonna ask.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:26

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:27

No. Has anybody come out of the woodwork from your past and hit you up on social media, like slid into a DM, made a comment on a post?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:37

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:40

Like people or you've been like, look, I've like throughout this, I've run into people that we've gone to high school with, like, and I won't like I remember I was at this Floyd Mayweather fight. Uh shoot, it could have been Floyd Mayweather versus De La Hoya, but it was something like that. And I was backstage because I knew at the time, rest in peace, Floyd Ray Mayweather's manager. So I was, you know, back after the fight, backstage. And this particular person was backstage too, and they went to high school with us. And um, I know him from high school. I say what's up. Like, you know, he used to hang out on the condos with um, you know, he's a couple years older. He's date uh Adam Rodriguez is here. But, you know, I say what's up, and I don't know what he really wanted from me, but I guess I wasn't giving him the attention that he wanted because I didn't blow him off. You know what I mean? He just was like a little overserved and was kind of being annoying. Like, bro, I haven't seen you in like 14 years, you know what I'm saying? And um, yeah, I guess he was just felt he was entitled to more of my time and attention, and that I should give it to him because we're from the same high school and you know, grew up together a little bit. And I like I said, I wasn't read rude or anything, but he definitely started being a dick up to the point where like my homegirls.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:02

Oh, you you gotta text me this off. Yeah, like off.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:06

I was like, yo, you know him? You good? You know, I'm like, yeah, I know. I was just ignoring him because if I feed into it, it's gonna be, you know what I mean? So I just kind of, you know, and I could tell that he was a little overserved, but um that's one situation from somebody from home, you know, where they just they were just all the way out of pocket. But other than that, man, um anybody that has, you know, reached out or slid into my DM or however that works, it's all been in love and just like, you know, because we grew up together or, you know, something like that. Nothing crazy, nobody asking for anything or coming sideways with expectations or requests, you know, it's always been, you know, uh some positive shit. So that's been cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:53

Do you ever see like on I don't know if like you go on Facebook at all? I d I barely go on Facebook unless like I'm trying trying to see like a birthday or something. But like on Facebook and on Instagram it gives you suggestions. You know what I'm talking about? So the other day a name popped up, okay? And I haven't seen this guy probably uh I don't know, maybe he left in sixth grade or seventh grade. And he comes up and I'm like Is it him? He c no the there's only one person with this name. I'm gonna say the name. We're not saying names, but I'm like I'm gonna say the name, I'm gonna edit it out. Okay, okay, because I want your reaction from the name.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:42

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:44

And I'm gonna edit, I'm gonna hold on. Okay, no, I don't want to do that because then you're not gonna hear it. But he came up on thing, and I'm like, huh. I didn't friend request him, I just looked at the pictures and I was like, he's doing well. Like he's doing well, like I'm I'm happy to see him doing well. He left school like sixth grade, seventh grade.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:03

No, left school in about like fifth or sixth, maybe fifth or sixth grade. We remain friends. We went right. Yeah, we were made friends through high school.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:13

I never saw him after that.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:14

Yeah, I did though. We remained friends throughout high school, so like, you know, still good people. I haven't spoken to him in a while, but um, we all had mutual friends. Yeah, he came up. I'm like, huh? Yeah, and he and he looks like he's doing great. Yeah, I'm sure he is, you know. Um, like I say, uh, haven't kept up with him, like, but like that, but social media gives you a glimpse into um everyone's life, and you have to take it for face value. So uh that's what it is. That's cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:45

Of course, yeah. I always say social media because people are like, you went over here, you over you went over there, you're doing this, you're doing that. I'm like, I'm not taking a picture of me dealing with bills, right? Or dealing with the problem, right, or I'm in the hospital, or you know, only the good stuff. Only the good stuff, yeah. And then you have people that like you're like, huh, he must be doing really, really well.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:11

Yeah, at this particular time.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:13

At the particular and then you bump into them like it like at a restaurant, and they're like completely not doing well at all. Yeah. You're like, huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:22

And that's and that's why I say like with uh social media, you kind of gotta, you know, I don't think I I don't post too much, um I post enough, but you can kind of gotta read into what you want to read into. And I'm always um congratulatory, and I love seeing um you know people's travels and what people are doing. We're all voyeurs, voyeurisms or whatever, how'd you say it? Voyeurists.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:49

Voyeurs. Voyeur voyeurists, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:52

You know, in in some way, shape, even if we're not, you are because of social media.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:57

Yeah. But people people I've noticed lately have been posting less.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:03

Yes. Yeah, you know, uh, and I wish I wish I I would like to post more, but I don't have anyone to take my photos in the moment. And I love these people's accounts when they're in these got these action shots where they're drinking something like a cafe, or they're like, yo, walking across the street. Like, how? Like, how do these how are you getting these shots of you literally?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:27

Social media managers.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:28

Holy shit, bro. Those are the pictures, those are the pictures.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:32

Yeah, they're paying people. Yeah, they're paying people. Follow me, follow me, you know, take a picture. You know how many I'm gonna tell you a little trick. I'm gonna tell you a little trick. It's gonna cost you nothing. Actually, it's gonna cost you a lot. By the drone, it's all in family. No, yeah, you get one of your kids to take pictures of you. You know how many women, women that I know, and I'm like, wow, like do you have a professional photographer? And then no, my son. And then some of the photos you're like, why is your son taking a photo of you like that? Like, that's super weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:10

So, do you know, do you have any friends and they're mainly women or but that because I know some um someone and a couple people that are all about their Instagram and their pictures and their setup, their lighting, their, you know, it's part of their brand, and I find it so interesting. And it's this is not a knock. Like I say, I just find it interesting because I don't have the time. I would love to do that shit, but I don't got the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:39

So I do care enough.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:42

So I don't even care enough, really.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:44

No, no, I do have friends that kind of have to have the lighting like perfect, you know, and it has to look a certain way. I also have friends that use those apps that you know shape you up.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:57

Oh wow, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:58

Yeah, they shape you up.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:04

I've heard of that. I've heard of that.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:07

Well, people use that, and like you could tell, you could tell like what it is, and especially now with AI, like Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:13

My thing is look, I don't want you to be disappointed when you see me in real life. So what you see is what you get, baby. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:20

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I I get it, I get it, but like about give me some peptides though, you know what I mean? Peptides, but you're doing so okay, but the peptides are different. Like, I'm doing the peptides for myself, right? You know, I'm not really doing it for anybody else. My my wife loves me the I hope she loves me the way that I am, but I'm doing the peptides for myself. I'm not doing it for somebody else. I I just want to stay young or you know, help with the aging. It's baby the peptides, the peptides. I gotta you you're reminding me because I gotta hit up my guy because he's gotta send some out. I'm done with like three of them. Word, but yeah. Um, what else? What I think I think we're good. We're good. I mean, we could go on and on and on and on, but we'll we'll uh I'll catch you in like episode 20.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:06

All right. We'll we'll have a recap. We'll do a we'll have a recap. I'm a guest of the show. I'm a guest of the show. That's the guest of the show.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:14

Guest of the show. I'm a guest of the show, so I can come on. I'm one of those recurring guests. You know what I mean? Like when you gotta get something off your chest, you know what I mean? Different perspective.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:27

Or bounce ideas off of you. Huh? Bounce ideas, or if something pops up, and I, you know, something happens, and I was like, you know, Keith, let we gotta talk about this.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:36

Yeah, no, I'm with it. Let's do it. We should do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:39

I'm down to make that happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:42

After certain certain events, yeah, you know what's coming up? We could talk about sporting events. There's a lot of sporting events coming up. We'll talk. You know what we didn't talk about, but we're gonna talk about next time Formula One.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:58

Have you ever been to Formula One?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:01

No, so we're going. I'm taking Olivia. Olivia's a huge Formula One fan.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:06

You're going to Miami?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:07

We're going to Miami. Isn't that like in a couple weeks? It's in May, beginning of May, first weekend in May.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:14

It's not that expensive in Miami, is it?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:17

I got tickets. But you know what the problem is with Miami? Is a lot of the like events are 21 and over. And she's only 14. So it's like, but I don't care. I'm taking her to Formula One. She wants to go to Formula One.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:33

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:33

The rest of the stuff we'll kind of figure out along the way. But she really wants to go to Formula One. We were going to go to the Monaco Formula One. Yeah, that was cool. But it's um it's two weeks before no, three weeks before we're going there. So I'm like, I don't I don't want to double fly back and forth. Maybe we'll do that next year. But I think this is a good one. Miami, we're gonna go to Palm Beach, stay there the n the first night, drive over or take the Bright Line over, go, go back, come back, go back.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:04

It's uh train that takes you down to South Beach from Palm Beach?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:08

Yeah, Bright Line.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:09

How long does it take?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:11

Uh about 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:13

Oh, that's cool. Where's it drop you? Right downtown?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:16

It so it drops you off by the American Airlines Arena, whatever crypto arena, whatever it's called. But I I think maybe there's another stuff I don't know, whatever. If it drops me off over there, I'll Uber from.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:29

Yeah, that's cool. Either way, that's pretty cool. I didn't know. That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:32

Yeah, they they they've been doing that now. There's like a VIP seat, and then there's another seat, but it's very clean. It's a lot of people do it. There's a lot of people that work in Miami that work that yeah, that that um live in Palm Beach and they'll go, and vice versa.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:49

Is it I wonder if it's prices are probably all relative, right? Like for to live, yeah, and compare Palm Beach and South Beach.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:58

It depends.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:59

Let me know. I'm with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:01

Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:02

Nah, man, let's do it. Good luck.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:04

Thank you. Well, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:06

Yep, have a good one.